Based Camp - Are We Nationalists？

00:00:00.000 hello simone i am excited to be here with you today today we are going to be discussing a

00:00:05.760 question that came from a reporter who was horrified that they went to natal con and they

00:00:11.820 go well you know this natalism stuff you know it seems okay like i agree with what you're saying

00:00:19.080 there but why is it all wrapped up with all of these horrible other ideas like you know

00:00:26.920 religiosity and nationalism and all this other nazi stuff and i was like wait actually i was

00:00:35.760 like wait what like are you because you know normally i might be like well you know i support

00:00:41.040 pernatalism i don't support everything that everyone says who goes to like a pernatalist

00:00:44.460 convention here's like wait what's wrong with religiosity and nationalism right like first

00:00:51.680 religiosity we'll just take this aside you know i'm sorry that it's associated with better

00:00:58.280 mental health longer life you know less stress less anxiety through those people through those

00:01:04.280 people just we'll throw all that aside okay um but let's just talk about the concept of nationalism

00:01:10.760 because i was like wait i don't think there's anything really objectionable about nationalism like

00:01:16.500 i i don't look what is what is wrong with nationalism like i understand for example like 0.96

00:01:25.580 nazis were nationalists but nazis also were like animal and nazis wore underwear and they also pooped

00:01:33.560 and they also drove in cars really big into dogs he was really big into protecting dogs and protecting 0.92

00:01:39.140 animals and he was a vegetarian at times like is pita nazi like no like that wasn't what people

00:01:46.020 disliked about hitler that he that he had pride in germany and german history yeah there the that is

00:01:53.660 not the bad thing it was the genocide that was the bad thing it was the war that was the bad thing it 0.93

00:02:01.360 was the ethnic cleansing that was the bad thing right it wasn't the loving his country that was the bad 0.99

00:02:07.660 thing well you humans should be capable of separating out actions you know and well no in america

00:02:15.980 at this time period when we defeated the nazis could be thought of as nothing other than nationalistic

00:02:22.960 this was a nationalistic effort this is what individuals like captain america represent they

00:02:29.840 represent nationalism and so i decided to i was like okay well i now i need to go into definitions to be

00:02:36.000 like maybe there's some part of the definition of nationalism that's really offensive and i should be

00:02:41.420 thinking more about right so i go to wikipedia and i look up the nationalism definition and it is

00:02:47.500 really bad like i i could read the paragraph and it wouldn't get to a line that made sense until we

00:02:53.920 it's not like misleading it's just gobbledygook okay so then i clicked on civic nationalism because i was

00:03:00.040 like okay well maybe this will get to the point okay and civic nationalism otherwise known as democratic

00:03:05.140 nationalism is a form of nationalism that adheres to traditional liberal values of freedom tolerance

00:03:10.520 equality and individual rights at and is not based on eston nationalism so i'm like okay cool the

00:03:16.680 foreign nationalism is not essence because obviously like we're not ethno-nationalists like no one

00:03:20.960 could argue that right yeah civic nationalists defend the value of national identity by saying that

00:03:28.700 individuals need it as a partial shared aspect of their identity and upper identity in order to lead

00:03:35.700 meaningful autonomous lives and that democratic polities need a national identity to function

00:03:41.860 properly that that seems like an obvious truth do they argue that they don't do they argue that like

00:03:48.020 a country no anarchy that's the only way things will ever work no i think that they genuinely believe

00:03:55.780 that a country should value the needs of non-citizens over the needs of citizens like that's genuinely what 1.00

00:04:02.860 they're asking for here and a lot of progressives actually believe this that's true yeah back to the

00:04:08.160 whole progressives care about rocks problem right no but when we talk about things i'm like well

00:04:14.320 somebody was like well what about immigrants because i created like this state structure and

00:04:18.220 this horrified guardian reporter was talking to me because they found a leaked version of this was

00:04:23.340 their undercover reporter about a nation state i wanted to create and i still love that they published

00:04:28.420 that thank you guardian you are our best pr you know the guardian is our personal pr team with their

00:04:34.160 their hate and screes against us but i i found a they they came to me and they go well okay so it doesn't

00:04:44.100 look like people who don't contribute to the state really have a vote or a voice in this system like

00:04:49.800 why would they migrate to your country if they don't have a voice i was like oh this isn't really for

00:04:57.840 a country for people who don't contribute like they can stay where they are like yeah we're not 0.98

00:05:03.540 trying to get to them as we respect people who love those people and our state functions in a

00:05:11.740 different way when i think america can be the same right like we don't need people who are drains on the

00:05:18.120 state yeah did other states apparently will poison themselves with those populations yeah or i mean

00:05:25.240 to be more gentle with it like the people who value those people are welcome to pay for those

00:05:32.860 people meaning that like right now for example one our kids aren't paid for by the state right like

00:05:39.040 we pay for them because we value them and if we didn't value them we wouldn't have them and therefore

00:05:45.960 we wouldn't pay for them and i think that's kind of that's a because i think there's this implication

00:05:50.340 that like oh what are you going to do euthanize anyone who's not valuable no like just we're not

00:05:55.520 going to pay for them yeah we're not going to pay for them it's not that we it reminds me of the us

00:06:00.840 aid thing where like this this aids program in africa was shut down called like prefab or something

00:06:05.600 and all these people came out and they're like do you want like random africans to die of aids and i was

00:06:11.960 like no you don't either and they're like yeah i want to fight this i go so you're you're donating

00:06:17.320 money to programs that are meant to help those people like and the great thing is a lot of people

00:06:21.660 have subsequently stepped up and are funding programs some people a very small minority yeah

00:06:29.860 certainly not the loudest it is acting like you are killing africans by shutting down these programs

00:06:35.180 has stepped in to actually fund this or was funding anything like this beforehand they they wanted

00:06:42.420 other people to pay for this stuff they didn't want to handle it themselves and this idea of i i am i am

00:06:49.480 less killing those people by shutting down a program so that money can now go to other things in the

00:06:54.160 united states than you are as an individual who decides to do something indulgent rather than fund

00:06:59.160 those programs because that's something where you know 100 what that money was spent on a personal

00:07:04.760 indulgence like going out to eat or like you know having food in or you know an orgy instead of

00:07:11.420 putting the money into this that is your choice to let those people die whereas with the government

00:07:18.580 money i freed up money to go to other places like that's very very different um and so i think the

00:07:24.960 the there's that aspect to it but can to continue is reading the definition here yeah liberal nationalism

00:07:30.500 is used in the same sense as civic nationalism but liberal ethnic nationalism also exists and state

00:07:37.040 nationalism is a branch of civic nationalism but it also can be illiberal i don't understand what that

00:07:42.760 matters well i guess no it matters because you you pointed out an important facet of civic nationalism

00:07:49.340 is freedom and like liberty so i i guess that state nationalism is more coercive like you have to

00:07:56.580 live in a certain way maybe a little bit more like soviet russia where like this is how it's done

00:08:01.280 here you know yeah so civic nationalism is a political identity built around shared citizenship

00:08:07.500 was in the state thus a civic nation defines itself not by culture but by the political institutions and

00:08:13.840 liberal principles which its citizens pledged to uphold membership in the civic nation is open to

00:08:20.980 every person by citizenship regardless of culture or ethnicities those who share these values are

00:08:27.260 considered members of the nation and in theory a civic nation or state does not aim to promote one

00:08:33.200 culture over the other like i love what what is your problem with people having pride in their

00:08:41.100 cultural history right like and i look at this and this well i mean you're okay to is i mean

00:08:47.140 unless you're white right then then it's what you're not allowed to if you're white no you're allowed 0.99

00:08:53.060 to no matter what you're allowed to well we would argue you should be but a lot of other people would 0.95

00:08:57.880 argue you shouldn't be well because they're they their culture depends on getting you to hate your

00:09:03.000 ancestors because that's how they break your connections to your ancestral traditions to convert 1.00

00:09:06.680 you into the cult yeah which is an emergent property that wasn't like no one sat down and was like

00:09:11.660 how do i separate these people from their inheritance generations of the the viral memetic strain which is

00:09:18.440 the urban monoculture that adopted their policy ended up spreading at a faster rate yeah and that's

00:09:23.320 why they exist in such high numbers uh try to get people to hate their ancestry and traditions and try

00:09:29.680 to make nationalism out to be this boogeyman when saying i love my country i love america and i'm proud

00:09:36.740 to be an american are not things it it's almost i'd put it this way imagine you told someone from a

00:09:43.160 different country that they're not allowed to be a proud of their nation or their country like would you

00:09:47.800 not see how horrifying that is you know you go to some other country like mexico and you go you can't

00:09:52.820 be proud to be a mexican like what are you doing yeah like ew what like look you you look at all the 0.96

00:09:57.780 terrible things mexico mexicans are horrible yeah can magic oh my gosh yeah i can't even imagine like 1.00

00:10:03.040 walking what you like peru peruvians are the worst brazil what yeah like brazil have slaves yeah can you 1.00

00:10:09.980 possibly be proud to be a brazilian you should hate brazilians yeah and it's like what oh 0.99

00:10:17.380 peru didn't you like have like conquistadors in your government who brutalized like native 0.95

00:10:23.340 populations shouldn't you hate your peruvian identity didn't your didn't your indigenous 1.00

00:10:28.560 populations practice child sacrifice oh my god well it's so funny because i think the progressive 1.00

00:10:34.140 practice or norm when it comes to traveling abroad is oh wow you guys are so amazing your country's so

00:10:41.000 enlightened like everything's so much better here right like anything's better than the united states

00:10:45.680 so there's almost reverse nationalism you know the grass is always greener when it's not your own

00:10:50.500 country it's it's not just an absence of pride in your own nation it is it is the presence of

00:10:57.040 pride in in anyone for almost not being you even if they have more dubious moral records

00:11:02.160 that is absolutely true yeah well and i think we see this with china and progressives where progressives

00:11:08.460 are like oh china so great so amazing it's like no china is like really evil like 1.00

00:11:13.720 their recent track record they're in the they're in the process of a genocide right now like you know

00:11:20.520 that right like it's not like mid-genocide or whatever yeah they they are genociding right now

00:11:28.800 so yeah i i i completely agree with what you're saying there and i think it's really perverse

00:11:35.040 and pretty evil as a position to take it's not just like morally neutral or morally absent it is a it

00:11:43.040 is a strict moral negative and i think that all of this can be seen sort of through the lens of

00:11:49.780 progressive hatred of starship troopers where you get in all of these progressive videos and all these

00:11:57.160 progressive pieces one of our best episodes by the way you should check it out if you haven't checked it

00:12:00.340 out why starship troopers is so evil why the bugs were right right like why the bugs are the good

00:12:07.600 guys and humans are the bad guys and they always point they're like well humanity is fascist and it's

00:12:13.200 like well no they're not really fascist and they have voting you just have to make a sacrifice to vote

00:12:19.140 like yeah you just have to earn it yeah and it's like in what way are they fascist and it's like well

00:12:25.120 they're aesthetically fascist it's like well yeah but i don't think wearing an outfit that like

00:12:29.400 i i would say there's a lot of things about fascists i don't like but they were snappy dresses like

00:12:35.620 very yeah there's there's a reason why there has historically been this issue with asian

00:12:43.400 kids like people in asia who don't know european history just accidentally wearing 0.94

00:12:49.640 the the baddie guy costumes and uniforms because they look cool like their independent uninformed

00:12:57.500 parties are like this this this clothing this gets it so that's that's not why like yeah so why do you

00:13:06.200 hate the country so much in this movie why do you why do you hate what the global government they're

00:13:11.120 like well it's racist well it's obviously not racist the president is sky marshal to hot maru who is a

00:13:16.220 black woman from africa obviously not from like a white culture they're like well while it's this 1.00

00:13:21.520 is even in the movie which is meant to like make it look bad it's sexist it's like well no men and

00:13:27.560 women shower together like obviously it is less sexist than even our current society there are seen 1.00

00:13:34.820 as no meaningful differences between men and women in this world they even serve in the military at about

00:13:39.640 equal rights in this world yeah and so it's like okay okay okay okay it's not sexist it's not racist

00:13:45.200 what is wrong with it it's that they have pride in their country which is the entire globe at this

00:13:52.380 moment it even takes out any potential problem that you would have with nationalism in the united states

00:13:57.520 where one group is elevated above another group because the group that matters in

00:14:02.600 the movie is everyone in the entire world against bugs yeah because the only good bug it's a dead bug

00:14:15.580 it's a dead bug well i mean and when you i mean i sort of feel like that's what we're fighting these

00:14:20.440 days you know when you look at this memetic virus that removes people's ability to reason and turns them

00:14:26.460 into like foaming at the mouse cultural imperialists who want to eradicate every culture that differs

00:14:32.200 from theirs on earth you know well what can i call them other than like bug men right and this is

00:14:38.540 something we increasingly see right like i think that when they it is not the conservatives who first

00:14:45.780 drew the line between the modern progressives and the bug hive mind it is progressives who drew this

00:14:52.400 connection first they said well the bugs were the victims you know it's a false flag attack it's like

00:14:59.000 well we know it's not a false flag attack because it hit the brigh the brigham young the the or what

00:15:03.780 was the ship called can't remember the big the big ship roger young roger young i think it was called

00:15:08.280 when they were in deep space so quite far from earth so we know that the asteroid didn't come from

00:15:15.320 anywhere close to earth because they'll be like oh well the timing doesn't make sense but we know it

00:15:19.420 didn't come from anywhere close to earth so it couldn't have been a false flag attack

00:15:22.020 and then they're like okay well you know we encroached on bug territory and it's like well

00:15:27.960 not really the event that started the war was the mormon separatists who settled within bug

00:15:35.640 territory explicitly as mentioned on the news illegally they broke the laws and went off and did

00:15:46.900 something that they were not allowed to do and the bugs blamed all humans for what the

00:15:52.000 mormons had done yeah because they just thought it was one single unified invasive species that was

00:15:56.940 out for them well yeah in the same way that progressives can't understand why if we in the

00:16:04.720 conservative movement or in the prenatalist movement you know we'll have some people in the prenatalist

00:16:07.940 movement who are like anti-gay or anti-whatever right like this have some racist sympathies or something

00:16:14.140 like that and then they're like well that proves that you all are this thing and it's like no it what that

00:16:19.280 makes no sense but it's because they think like a bug they think like the hive mind right well and

00:16:24.840 again and there's this this chosen inability to parse out and separate actions and choices and and

00:16:33.000 policies that these are not connected necessarily yeah no no i mean i i completely agree and i've just

00:16:42.980 been very like recently disappointed in how reactionary the urban monoculture i mean of course

00:16:50.400 it has to be but to even the concept of nationalism like i am pro america and i am constantly pro america

00:16:58.960 throughout our episodes and we used to live in a world where that wasn't a weird thing to say to be a

00:17:05.420 german and say i'm pro german and proud of being german you know or to be english like the english have

00:17:11.120 so much to be proud of the english were as a country they literally as a government paid like

00:17:20.100 in the early days not just to stop slavery but to stop other countries slave ships they had fleets

00:17:26.960 that were dedicated to stopping other countries doing slavery

00:17:31.260 yeah and yet yeah i think there's a lot of shame is wild no one did something like that we talk about

00:17:42.220 the case of that african nation where they had that movie made about them like the woman queen or

00:17:47.420 whatever and we were like actually they were super duper slavers and they made their money in slavery 0.59

00:17:53.320 to understand how like the uk versus africa in terms of the amount of national pride you might

00:18:01.020 ascribe to a country the woman who they like idolized as this great woman king in africa

00:18:06.200 the uk had to blockade her ports to get her to stop selling slaves i didn't know that the uk

00:18:12.200 victimized her of course yes they economically disempowered this way economically disempowered

00:18:18.700 this african woman leader girl boss queen because she was a slaver i don't know this is something we 0.95

00:18:24.960 repeatedly see there's something to be proud of for most countries if you go and look at your history

00:18:31.640 you're going to find well and if you don't deeply ethically disagree with your country you should

00:18:38.800 probably leave it like you should tax revenue you know if you feel like they're the baddies

00:18:46.280 you really shouldn't be there i mean one because manada will take you yeah well a lot of countries

00:18:54.660 will take you i think new zealand has pretty affordable purchasable visa requirement like it's it's not

00:19:01.780 there are plenty of places yes and getting querubian residency for example not that hard yeah pretty

00:19:08.420 pretty straightforward their government infrastructure is like it's fairly efficient so

00:19:13.420 yeah i think that's the other thing is if you're not nationalistic why are you there and i can get

00:19:21.000 you know a lot of people don't have money to just get up and move or they have family and people they

00:19:24.820 have to take care of and there are plenty of reasons why that's not really a practical answer and

00:19:29.920 it's not fair for me to say that but then just

00:19:34.420 what what do you gain from but hurting about it you know try to work toward getting out i guess

00:19:43.060 yeah well and this is actually an interesting point where you know people always see it as a win for the

00:19:51.100 political party's side when one of their states wants to like leave the union when in reality it would

00:19:58.880 be a win for the opposite side so for example if california like broke off from the united states

00:20:05.640 um conservatives would have a lock on national elections basically forever going oh gosh yeah

00:20:13.040 if texas left the united states democrats would have a lock on national elections basically forever going

00:20:19.140 forwards good point i think we need to have a republican movement for california statehood

00:20:24.260 you guys do you yeah i mean california i don't i'm pretty sure they're a net

00:20:31.260 positive in terms of federal tax revenue that we we get more from them being in the united states than

00:20:39.380 they get so we would take a hit without them but considering that you know they have a lot of

00:20:48.960 congressional and senatorial seats and that a lot of their policies we would argue are financially

00:20:57.200 unsustainable and more likely to accelerate our progress to a demographic collapse and therefore

00:21:02.340 civilizational collapse it's a a loss worth cutting and i think that the revenue that they generate right

00:21:09.200 now would be very easy to bring back into the country if you cut them off yeah so if you for example 1.00

00:21:15.500 cut off california into its own country it would very be quickly become incredibly socialist and

00:21:20.880 incredibly costly to run companies in california the thing is it already like it's very it already

00:21:26.560 is and they're losing people at a huge rate like their rate of retention is incredible though and we

00:21:32.520 even anecdotally know plenty of people who feel like i can't quit you you know they keep ending up

00:21:38.160 back in california somehow oh no i've seen the opposite you know i've talked to those leaders in like

00:21:43.060 the effective altruist movement and stuff like that and they were like it's really interesting

00:21:47.060 san francisco because they're like i had a list of like everyone for like parties and stuff in san

00:21:52.020 francisco who's like interesting and like an out-of-the-box thinker in post-covid that list

00:21:57.000 has is is dropped to like a fifth of what it was pre-covid like there are not that many interesting

00:22:03.660 people here anymore most of them have left huh that's very interesting i mean because we know other

00:22:10.020 people who are like yeah i'd love to leave but all my friends are here i don't know the only place

00:22:14.120 i've seen that is when they have like a very tight network of like nearby houses or like a multi-hacker

00:22:20.760 house or like a i i haven't seen that in in scenarios where people have for example like families that

00:22:28.440 aren't integrated with other families yeah yeah i guess and or they're just spending a sabbatical and

00:22:38.260 in one particular short-term place like light haven so i guess

00:22:43.520 yeah that makes sense i mean what what would be your ideal approach toward nationalism going forward

00:22:52.320 is just because i think where nationalism goes too far is when it becomes blind um like i probably

00:23:00.120 where nationalism went wrong in germany in world war ii was just blind trust in the government and like

00:23:06.360 like they can't do wrong they couldn't possibly be doing what these rumors suggest in you know

00:23:12.880 no i'm sure they know what they're doing what the country was doing i think that that's like

00:23:17.660 historical revisionism to say that that maybe the average person didn't but a lot of the like

00:23:22.300 strongest nationalists did and i don't think that that is the the where national i don't think

00:23:28.260 that had anything to do with nationalism that had to do with anti-semitism and homophobia

00:23:32.280 and stuff like that which are not intrinsic to nationalism like you can be a nationalist without

00:23:39.300 being against you know diversity was in your country like that that has nothing to do with

00:23:46.700 nationalism or not nationalism that's like a completely separate set of of problems so you

00:23:53.240 don't think that nationalism if improperly addressed see i what i think is ideal is nationalism that

00:23:59.680 involves leaning into civic involvement and understanding what it is that makes your country

00:24:05.860 great and doing your part it is as a citizen to participate in protecting those good things and

00:24:13.040 fighting corruption fighting bloat fighting things that threaten those values and what i think

00:24:19.880 nationalism runs the risk of becoming is just team sports standing culture where it's like no my country

00:24:28.040 can't do wrong meanwhile a bunch of corrupt bureaucrats hiding behind that cloud of trust and i disagree 0.93

00:24:35.080 i think a lot of countries have an extreme amount of nationalism and literally zero trust in their

00:24:40.660 government a great example of this would be like literally any of the the balkans present a good

00:24:45.140 example of strong nationalism and and complete hatred or distrust of their government these are

00:24:51.920 countries like her gozia bulgaria croatia kosovo montenegro i don't i don't know if that's productive

00:25:00.680 either because if you love your country but you think your government's totally corrupt and

00:25:05.580 non-functional you're not going to try to lean into it and get civically involved and make it better

00:25:09.620 you're gonna be like ah it's just a hate it but yeah i mean i think there there are forms of

00:25:16.100 nationalism that do not actively improve things but i think that on the whole you cannot have a

00:25:22.500 healthy country without a great degree of nationalism yeah that is not something that's

00:25:27.760 just maintained at the family level at the level of local celebrations and festivals at the level of

00:25:32.480 your school system at the level of like at every you know what nationalism is analogous to body

00:25:40.320 positivity there are toxic versions of it like haze where it's like no sweetie you should be worried

00:25:47.920 this is not a good whatever you're doing you must always love your body right yeah yeah whereas but

00:25:53.680 then like the you know the opposite of it you know if you're if you are if you have body dysmorphia

00:25:58.320 you hate yourself you're doing you're practicing all these really unhealthy behaviors however they may

00:26:02.980 manifest you don't have confidence so you don't come across as likable you're not happy like that's

00:26:08.140 really toxic but it is equally toxic to just be like no no matter what i'm gorgeous i'm beautiful

00:26:15.220 i'm handsome i'm whatever so maybe that's kind of the way to look at it it's it is a balanced thing

00:26:21.620 but you really the the default isn't like well i'm neither nationalist nor not i'm neither body

00:26:28.720 positive nor not like you should be proud of how you look and you should have things about you that you

00:26:33.240 love and you should take good care of your body just like you should be proud of your country and

00:26:37.740 and love certain things about your country and take care of your country right and that's kind of

00:26:42.620 the the way it should be that the the the healthy balance is not indifference

00:26:48.580 at least if you want to be vitalistic and and healthy i mean i agree i think that that's it it's it's it's to

00:26:56.400 love your country and what it can be in the future you know for its historic improvement but i think that a

00:27:03.540 big part of nationalism is about not sweeping under the rug as the current education system does you

00:27:10.100 know the way that they used to say in the 90s that like education system like swept under the rug all

00:27:14.940 the u.s or uk's or whatever atrocities now the education system does the exact opposite it sweeps

00:27:20.700 under the rug all the reasons you should have pride in being an american or pride in being british or pride in

00:27:26.420 being german like the the entire system is structured to hide this from the student in a way that is

00:27:33.320 dishonest yeah yeah yeah it is interesting how so much of my at least public school education was

00:27:41.260 and here's how we screwed over native americans and here's how we screwed over slaves and here's how 0.75

00:27:46.320 we screwed over immigrants and here's how we ruined the environment their education system was 1.00

00:27:52.500 in both english and history so not in like one subject it was a cycle of native americans 0.92

00:28:00.100 then like like how native americans got screwed over not like native american culture it didn't care

00:28:04.820 about native american culture it was how did native americans get screwed over it was slavery it was

00:28:10.480 jim crow laws then back to native americans they like basically never got to the vietnam war they never

00:28:17.080 got to like even stuff that may not make us look good like they just were clearly like these are the only

00:28:22.240 three parts of american history that matter and we will take two hours of your day every day in childhood

00:28:27.980 to constantly remind you of them yeah um anti-nationalist propaganda paid for by the government

00:28:36.400 yeah that was created by this memetic disease and and what's worse is they the the left seems to have

00:28:46.220 learned nothing by that except definitionally the left can't be wrong like when i point out like

00:28:51.100 what do you not see that your policies hurt the most vulnerable populations do you not see that in

00:28:56.200 democrat controlled districts blacks actually earn significantly less than whites when compared to

00:29:00.880 republican controlled districts do you not care they're like no i'm the good guy because i'm the

00:29:05.760 leftist and it's like well then why do all of your policies when i point out that native americans are

00:29:10.120 going to go extinct in the near future they have a below one with tfr and i'm like you claim to care

00:29:16.100 about this group like why isn't this a problem to you and they're like well i'm the good guy because

00:29:21.480 i'm the leftist and it's like that's not an answer like they they define themselves as the heroes

00:29:27.600 yeah not not terribly logical

00:29:31.660 but yeah i mean i'm not gonna it's important not to sugarcoat things either things go wrong you you

00:29:38.600 learn from it and i think that's that's important and that that comes from a place of pride you know

00:29:42.380 when people for if we're going back to body positivity and they're like wow yeah i thought

00:29:46.620 you know saturated fat was poisoned for a while turns out i was wrong now i've switched to a

00:29:50.820 different diet and i i know not to do that again like i've learned from that nutritional fad and i think

00:29:57.120 similarly we can still admit that there were some policies that at first were thought to be good and

00:30:03.740 turns out that they didn't produce good results and therefore we learn from them because we are

00:30:07.720 proud of who we are and we are great and therefore we are smart and we learn as we go forward so

00:30:14.340 again like we're i don't think we're arguing for completely forgetting all of our little oopsies

00:30:20.380 but yeah certainly not i think yeah the interesting thing is in all of that education about here are the

00:30:29.960 horrible things we did to absolutely everyone there was no like and so here's what we should do going 1.00

00:30:36.380 forward you know here no the here's what we should do going forward is we should be more progressive

00:30:41.960 going forward that was always to hear what we should do no no it wasn't even that though that

00:30:47.300 we never got to that at least in my schools it was just by the way hate yourself hate your country

00:30:51.560 like feel bad oh in my school it was definitely you should be more progressive going interesting

00:30:55.940 oh and we didn't get that we didn't get there well you were in maybe that's what you get from an

00:31:01.120 elite private school education as they actually follow through a little better in public school

00:31:06.560 the money didn't go that far i guess who knows i love you simone um what are we doing for dinner

00:31:12.040 tonight tonight we're going to do more of the basil um burmese chicken oh that was so good

00:31:21.780 mm-hmm um pineapple or we don't that it was it already came with pineapple so good the pineapple's

00:31:29.720 already in it so but i am going to add some more of the peppers you really know how to do your job

00:31:35.800 drink it with milk add about half as much as you did last time okay because that was really good

00:31:42.480 the thai red peppers that caused me tummy problems yeah they hurt you but they hurt so good

00:31:47.620 they hurt so good yeah all right i love you

00:31:51.560 bears well we better be very careful then right octavian

00:31:59.220 yeah

Based Camp - May 19, 2025

Are We Nationalists？

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