Based Camp - August 10, 2023


Based Camp： Even White Supremacists are Stupid to Support White Nationalism


Episode Stats

Length

28 minutes

Words per Minute

187.27686

Word Count

5,298

Sentence Count

293

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

39


Summary

In this episode, Simone and Malcolm discuss immigration policy in the United States. They discuss the role of the state in shaping immigration policy and the role that the state plays in limiting immigration. They also discuss the impact of climate change and the decline in fertility rates across the world.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 There is no point in protecting very weak cultures.
00:00:04.580 And I know actually some white nationalists
00:00:06.160 listen to our channel.
00:00:07.300 This is why we care so little about white nationalism.
00:00:10.160 Even if you do seal yourself off,
00:00:12.160 you'll just die alone like Korea.
00:00:14.560 In fact, I can't think of any wealthy monocultures
00:00:18.820 or wealthy SNO states that have high fertility rates.
00:00:21.420 Not a single one in the world.
00:00:23.940 You look at the countries that are wealthy
00:00:25.580 with the highest fertility rates
00:00:27.000 and they've shown the most resistance to fertility class.
00:00:29.020 You're looking at countries like Israel and the United States,
00:00:31.880 which are two of the most diverse wealthy countries.
00:00:34.520 The rules of the game have completely changed.
00:00:39.240 And when you play by the old system, you lose.
00:00:42.260 Now, where this is relevant to immigration policy in the U.S.
00:00:45.580 But what I've also found really interesting
00:00:47.180 is essentially your offensive stance on immigration.
00:00:51.320 Would you like to know more?
00:00:53.080 Hello, Malcolm.
00:00:54.660 Hello, Simone. How's it going?
00:00:57.360 I'm enjoying a beautiful overcast day.
00:00:59.900 It's gorgeous.
00:01:01.980 I'm enjoying it too.
00:01:03.240 What are we talking about today?
00:01:06.300 Immigration, my friend. Immigration.
00:01:09.080 Yeah, I think that this is a fun one for us to dig into
00:01:11.840 because it's a topic where both of the political parties'
00:01:16.620 perspective on this has been shifting a lot recently.
00:01:19.120 And we have a perspective on what should be the conservative position
00:01:23.500 going forwards and what made sense as a conservative position historically.
00:01:27.660 So historically, the conservative position on immigration is
00:01:30.820 let's prevent immigration, right?
00:01:33.060 Maintain cultural homogeny of a region
00:01:35.180 to prevent any culture within that region from eroding
00:01:38.440 so that culture can be transmitted well
00:01:41.220 from one generation to future generations.
00:01:43.480 And then if you were going to spread your culture
00:01:46.860 or your ideology, you do it through conquest
00:01:50.160 or through market forces.
00:01:53.460 Or through manifest destiny.
00:01:55.480 Well, yeah.
00:01:56.100 I mean, obviously, there's a manifest destiny way of doing it
00:01:58.640 or countries trying to take over their neighbors.
00:02:01.440 But you can also export it through market-based forces.
00:02:04.280 So if you bring another country to a market-based system
00:02:08.600 and you are exporting your culture into a free market of ideas,
00:02:13.660 but you are the dominant cultural force in the world
00:02:16.260 or the wealthiest cultural force,
00:02:17.920 it's very easy to begin to stomp out other cultures
00:02:20.660 with your cultural exports.
00:02:22.380 But the game has entirely changed now
00:02:25.680 and that system doesn't make sense anymore.
00:02:28.260 And it doesn't achieve what it used to achieve.
00:02:30.480 So the reason why you would do that historically
00:02:34.220 was so that other groups did not erode your culture.
00:02:39.700 However, there are two big hiccups to that these days.
00:02:43.400 The first being that no matter where you are in the world,
00:02:47.780 your kids and your community is going to have access
00:02:51.300 to the entire world of cultures online.
00:02:55.260 If they're engaged in any sort of technophilic lifestyle,
00:02:58.340 which means most lifestyles that allow for high economic output.
00:03:02.680 So economically productive individuals
00:03:04.900 are going to be able to see pretty much
00:03:07.740 all of the world's culture
00:03:09.620 and the internet culture is going to be part of their life
00:03:13.020 wherever they are.
00:03:14.620 And so the market forces don't matter as much
00:03:16.600 when you're dealing, they do to an extent,
00:03:18.280 but a lot less than they did historically.
00:03:20.240 And maintaining control of your borders matters a lot less
00:03:23.700 when you're talking about cultural erosion.
00:03:25.560 The other is that fertility rates are falling all over the world,
00:03:29.780 even within conservative cultures
00:03:31.620 that historically would have just naturally grown
00:03:34.660 had they been left alone.
00:03:36.480 So if you look at the wealthy countries in the world
00:03:40.040 with the lowest fertility rates,
00:03:42.380 with a few exceptions like Singapore,
00:03:44.360 almost all of them are very culturally homogenous.
00:03:47.340 Obviously, great example here is South Korea
00:03:49.240 was one of the lowest fertility rates of the world,
00:03:51.340 which is basically a monoculture and a mono-ethnic state.
00:03:54.580 In fact, I can't think of any wealthy monocultures
00:03:59.180 or wealthy ethno states that have high fertility rates,
00:04:01.920 not a single one in the world.
00:04:04.020 You look at the countries that are wealthy
00:04:05.900 with the highest fertility rates
00:04:07.340 and they've shown the most resistant to fertility collapse,
00:04:10.260 you're looking at countries like Israel
00:04:11.920 and the United States,
00:04:12.780 which are two of the most diverse wealthy countries.
00:04:16.000 So sealing yourself off from the rest of the world
00:04:19.700 because other countries are eroding yours
00:04:21.700 doesn't really protect you anymore.
00:04:25.160 And here's where I'm going to say something
00:04:27.200 that's very offensive.
00:04:28.680 There is no point really in protecting very weak cultures.
00:04:34.020 If a culture today cannot survive
00:04:37.200 in the face of other cultural forces,
00:04:39.740 there is no reason to protect it.
00:04:42.380 What we can do is look for mutations of that culture
00:04:46.200 that do show resistance.
00:04:47.540 If we were looking at a population like in ecology
00:04:51.400 and there was like a new pollution in the landscape
00:04:53.440 and it was killing almost all of this one species of bunnies,
00:04:57.340 there's no point in saving the bunnies
00:05:00.020 that are most dying due to this pollution.
00:05:03.540 You want to look for the iterations of that bunny
00:05:06.080 that are most resistant to the pollution.
00:05:08.620 And at the end of the day,
00:05:09.500 because I know actually some white nationalists
00:05:11.080 listen to our channel,
00:05:12.180 this is why we care so little about white nationalism,
00:05:14.700 especially any form of...
00:05:17.640 I can even understand like ethnic groups
00:05:19.540 like caring about their own kind, right?
00:05:22.360 What I can't understand is why I would at all care
00:05:25.700 about a form of nationalism that goes extinct
00:05:28.060 as soon as there's immigrant populations around them.
00:05:30.520 Like that's the world of the future, right?
00:05:33.820 Even if you do seal yourself off,
00:05:35.840 you'll just die alone like Korea.
00:05:38.260 Remind me of Mr. House from Fallout 3,
00:05:41.160 like talking about how superior he is.
00:05:43.420 And then the moment you go to unseal him
00:05:45.420 from his hermetic pod,
00:05:46.820 he starts like gasping and is like,
00:05:48.540 oh no, a single germ will kill me.
00:05:51.660 It's okay.
00:05:52.360 Well, like clearly you're not that great a culture.
00:05:55.520 And this is what really matters
00:05:57.660 is that historically,
00:05:59.080 if you look at people with this old cultural mindset,
00:06:01.700 so you look at this in Russia right now, right?
00:06:04.120 They're like, okay, well,
00:06:05.120 we need to consolidate people of our cultural groups.
00:06:09.040 We need to spread our cultural ideals,
00:06:12.460 which you saw them doing in Ukraine,
00:06:13.820 forced Russian language and stuff like that
00:06:15.540 when they controlled Ukraine.
00:06:16.460 And it looks like they were going to do that again
00:06:17.940 if they went over and took over Ukraine again, right?
00:06:19.780 That's how they're going to spread their culture.
00:06:21.180 But why?
00:06:22.060 Like their own fertility rate is almost nothing.
00:06:26.060 The Ukrainian fertility rate is almost nothing.
00:06:28.280 They are achieving nothing.
00:06:30.760 It is completely pointless.
00:06:32.800 And yet you look at cultural groups
00:06:35.360 that have no aspiration of taking over the state,
00:06:38.740 like the Amish, which are exploding.
00:06:41.820 You look at the Hutterites,
00:06:43.100 which is a branch of Anabaptists,
00:06:44.980 and they've gone in just the past 140 years
00:06:47.680 from 400 people in one community to over 50,000.
00:06:52.600 And that's with no immigration, no conversion,
00:06:55.660 just a high birth rate can win.
00:06:57.560 And the Amish,
00:06:58.280 they aren't going out converting other people.
00:07:00.600 They aren't going out conquering other people.
00:07:02.800 And yet they are cleaning up now
00:07:05.560 because the rules of the game have completely changed.
00:07:10.800 And when you play by the old system, you lose.
00:07:13.820 Now, where this is relevant to immigration policy in the U.S.
00:07:16.940 is every cultural group living within the U.S.
00:07:20.120 or in any country that can resist outside cultures
00:07:24.000 and better, they can convert outside cultures
00:07:27.180 or the cultural groups that will win in the future.
00:07:29.160 So you look, this is another interesting thing.
00:07:31.320 So you see people like,
00:07:32.980 he's talked about us before, Nick Fuentes, right?
00:07:35.400 He goes on about, oh, you guys are so terrible.
00:07:37.560 So he's a Catholic integralist, right?
00:07:39.300 He believes that eventually you should have a Catholic monarchy
00:07:41.520 that like rules over the entire world.
00:07:43.360 And he's against immigration.
00:07:44.780 And I'm often like,
00:07:45.540 why would a Catholic immigrant integral
00:07:47.200 is being against immigration?
00:07:48.480 If like most of the immigrant populations are Catholic.
00:07:50.620 And the answer is, if you look at the rates
00:07:53.080 is because a lot of the Hispanic immigrants
00:07:54.700 are converting to Protestant cultural traditions
00:07:57.800 away from Catholic cultural traditions.
00:08:00.000 So of course, he'd be scared about that, right?
00:08:02.420 But what that means is actually,
00:08:05.980 if your culture is a really strong culture,
00:08:08.700 any immigrant community that comes to your country
00:08:10.860 will convert into that culture.
00:08:12.480 You benefit from immigration in a big way.
00:08:16.760 But okay.
00:08:17.140 So anyway, the future is you have to be able to survive
00:08:19.880 in the face of other cultural groups
00:08:21.860 and alongside and copacetically with other cultural groups.
00:08:25.720 So then what type of immigrants do you want?
00:08:27.620 What you want are immigrants
00:08:28.640 that help the economy of your country.
00:08:30.360 And that's not true of all immigrant groups today, right?
00:08:33.700 And this is something that Trump actually worked for
00:08:35.860 was skill-based immigration policy.
00:08:38.940 And it was shut down
00:08:40.720 because he couldn't get enough Republican support for it
00:08:43.060 or really galvanize the troops.
00:08:44.520 But if he had,
00:08:45.500 that would have been a really powerful immigration policy
00:08:47.840 I really would have supported
00:08:48.920 to the extent where I just think it's crazy
00:08:51.060 that we have people come to our country,
00:08:52.760 we give them PhDs from like Harvard and Stanford
00:08:55.580 and then what, we kick them out?
00:08:57.460 What are we doing?
00:08:58.060 Yeah, that's wild.
00:08:58.940 That's wild.
00:08:59.880 But I want to hear your thoughts on this, Simone.
00:09:01.460 I've just ranted for a long time
00:09:03.140 without giving you a chance to speak.
00:09:04.820 You've talked about the defensive perspective
00:09:08.360 on immigration,
00:09:09.300 which I think is important.
00:09:10.960 And I think it's interesting.
00:09:12.320 But what I've also found really interesting
00:09:14.520 is essentially your offensive stance on immigration.
00:09:18.580 Sort of the point you make is in the past
00:09:21.060 to essentially take over a nation,
00:09:24.540 you had to invade it as a group.
00:09:26.800 And that's what still some nations
00:09:29.000 are apparently trying to do.
00:09:30.760 Whereas in a future in which population
00:09:33.580 or fertility rates crash in the face of modernity,
00:09:37.220 really the way that you can take over a territory,
00:09:40.760 a nation, whatever you want,
00:09:42.660 is by merely creating an intergenerationally durable culture.
00:09:46.580 So I don't think it's just that,
00:09:48.280 okay, well, if you love your culture,
00:09:49.700 if you care about it,
00:09:51.280 you shouldn't be afraid of immigration
00:09:52.940 because if you can't compete in the face of it,
00:09:56.140 you kind of don't deserve to stick around.
00:09:59.280 But also this really interesting idea that,
00:10:01.840 okay, if you really, really do love your culture,
00:10:04.060 what you should really be focusing on
00:10:06.440 is making your culture as strong,
00:10:08.380 as competitive, as sustainable,
00:10:09.940 and as high fertility as possible
00:10:12.180 because you can literally inherit the world
00:10:15.020 without war, without violence, without anything
00:10:17.720 if you manage to do that,
00:10:19.120 if you manage to be one of the best of the best,
00:10:21.040 both in terms of just being competitive,
00:10:22.720 technologically, economically, whatever speaking,
00:10:25.120 but also just maintaining population rates
00:10:27.280 and growing in population.
00:10:29.100 Yeah, a single family having eight kids
00:10:30.940 for 11 generations
00:10:31.900 has more descendants than live on earth today.
00:10:34.600 And to what you're speaking,
00:10:35.800 where this was really clear to me
00:10:36.840 is when I was working in Korea
00:10:37.920 at the current Korean fertility rate,
00:10:39.320 which is 0.8,
00:10:40.020 that means for every hundred Koreans,
00:10:41.320 there'll be 6.4 great-grandchildren, right?
00:10:44.080 And this is if it doesn't keep declining,
00:10:45.960 which everything looks like it will.
00:10:47.540 So they're down to 6% of their current population
00:10:49.580 in 100 years, probably less,
00:10:50.740 probably like 4 or 3%.
00:10:51.720 And I was thinking, okay,
00:10:52.980 so then what do they do?
00:10:54.020 Like, where do they get people to fill all this land?
00:10:55.780 I was like, well, they could take people
00:10:56.760 from their neighbors like China or Japan,
00:10:58.720 but those countries also have collapsing populations.
00:11:01.160 And you're looking at these three countries
00:11:03.440 that historically have been at each other's throats.
00:11:06.760 And less than 100 years ago,
00:11:07.780 one of them, Japan, went through,
00:11:09.680 murdered, I think, millions of people,
00:11:11.880 at least hundreds of thousands of people,
00:11:13.700 to try to culturally dominate
00:11:15.800 these other two regions.
00:11:17.200 So they were able to motivate their people
00:11:19.940 to go out and kill people
00:11:21.660 to spread their culture,
00:11:23.200 but they were to dominate other regions,
00:11:25.000 but they aren't able to motivate them
00:11:26.160 to just have kids to do the same thing.
00:11:28.240 And I think that this is the crazy thing,
00:11:30.080 that it is actually harder
00:11:32.440 in the face of modernity,
00:11:34.460 in the face of the internet,
00:11:35.680 in the face of prosperity,
00:11:36.820 to motivate people to have kids
00:11:40.080 than it was historically
00:11:41.720 to motivate people to kill other people.
00:11:43.400 And that's wild,
00:11:44.840 but it is kind of cool
00:11:46.060 when you look at this new cultural game,
00:11:47.520 because the people who win
00:11:49.460 are the people who can love better.
00:11:52.760 And I'd say not breed better, right?
00:11:55.260 Because you could just have 10 kids,
00:11:56.940 but if you don't give those kids
00:11:58.100 a good childhood,
00:11:59.580 they'll leave your culture.
00:12:01.160 We live in this great world today
00:12:03.120 where the first 18 months of a kid's life,
00:12:06.160 right, are a pitch
00:12:07.880 that your cultural group
00:12:09.700 is the cultural group they should stay in,
00:12:11.760 and they can leave that cultural group
00:12:14.200 and go to other cultural groups
00:12:15.380 if you don't make the pitch well.
00:12:17.180 Or if you allow other people
00:12:18.760 to brainwash them when they're too young,
00:12:20.160 which is one of the reasons
00:12:20.860 why you want to sort of
00:12:21.620 keep your hands on your kids.
00:12:23.720 So I understand in some countries,
00:12:25.260 other cultural groups
00:12:26.060 have rigged the game,
00:12:26.920 basically taking people's kids from them.
00:12:28.720 And that's really harsh.
00:12:30.100 But then you have to get out
00:12:31.680 of those countries, right?
00:12:32.920 If a country is not going to let you
00:12:34.480 in culture culture to your kids,
00:12:35.720 you need to get out of those countries.
00:12:37.300 Because I think that's the highest
00:12:38.420 sovereign right of any individual
00:12:39.860 in any cultural group,
00:12:41.700 especially in a world
00:12:42.620 where the dominant cultural groups,
00:12:44.260 the groups that they're trying
00:12:45.020 to imprint your kids with
00:12:45.920 are just so low fertility.
00:12:47.640 But what's great is in this world
00:12:50.200 where you get this 18 years
00:12:52.660 to make a kid's pitch,
00:12:55.380 join my culture.
00:12:56.540 Many of the old tactics
00:12:57.600 that groups used to use,
00:12:58.500 if you don't join my culture,
00:12:59.640 you'll be shunned.
00:13:01.060 It's well, too bad.
00:13:02.640 Like the internet exists.
00:13:03.860 Like I'll find a friends
00:13:04.800 in other places.
00:13:05.760 Like a lot of the threats
00:13:07.300 that cultures used to use
00:13:08.820 to keep kids within their groups
00:13:10.100 don't work.
00:13:11.960 Really the only pitches
00:13:13.340 that seem to consistently work
00:13:14.780 these days,
00:13:15.120 and I think this is part
00:13:15.840 of the reasons why
00:13:16.300 Jewish fertility rates
00:13:17.040 are so high in the face
00:13:18.000 of prosperity,
00:13:18.980 is stay in our cultural group
00:13:20.480 and you will benefit.
00:13:22.360 Like there are benefits
00:13:23.820 to being a member
00:13:24.640 of our cultural group.
00:13:25.940 It makes your life easier
00:13:27.060 in these ways.
00:13:27.860 It helps your career
00:13:28.760 in these ways.
00:13:29.580 It helps your mental health
00:13:30.500 in these ways.
00:13:31.620 And so I think pitches
00:13:32.460 that lean towards that
00:13:33.560 rather than the threats,
00:13:34.860 which historically used to be
00:13:36.120 a really good cultural strategy,
00:13:37.800 are the cultural groups
00:13:38.900 that will win in the future,
00:13:40.120 which is again why I say
00:13:41.040 you need to learn to love
00:13:42.120 better than other cultural groups
00:13:43.320 to dominate the future.
00:13:44.320 But here is the other thing
00:13:45.860 about aggressive immigration
00:13:46.980 policy that someone
00:13:47.720 was talking about
00:13:48.240 and using immigration
00:13:49.000 policy offensively.
00:13:51.000 And this is something
00:13:51.700 I'm really sad
00:13:52.600 that America hasn't done.
00:13:53.920 Offensive immigration policy.
00:13:55.340 I just love the term
00:13:56.620 on its own.
00:13:57.620 Well, it's something like
00:13:58.480 when China started messing
00:13:59.600 with Hong Kong recently
00:14:00.980 and started making
00:14:01.680 all those changes,
00:14:02.740 America just said,
00:14:03.520 okay, everyone in Hong Kong
00:14:05.100 was over this much money,
00:14:06.680 free immigrant pass to the US.
00:14:08.800 And let me tell you what,
00:14:09.960 people from Hong Kong,
00:14:11.100 they're not going to convert
00:14:12.240 your kids to their culture.
00:14:13.700 Okay?
00:14:14.040 Like they are of no threat
00:14:15.660 to you as a cultural group.
00:14:17.440 There are people out there
00:14:18.600 who want to convert
00:14:19.180 your kids to their culture,
00:14:20.400 but they're not the immigrants.
00:14:22.400 So anyway,
00:14:23.300 they're of no threat
00:14:24.060 to you, anyone,
00:14:24.780 even the most like racist American.
00:14:26.820 These people are of no threat
00:14:27.960 to them really.
00:14:29.040 So you bring in
00:14:30.800 these wealthy Hong Kong immigrants.
00:14:33.500 China has now won
00:14:34.700 a completely feckless prize.
00:14:37.060 We could do the same
00:14:37.920 with Russians
00:14:38.480 when Russia starts this award
00:14:40.280 that we don't like, right?
00:14:41.180 So you say, okay,
00:14:42.100 well, every Russian
00:14:42.940 with over X amount of money,
00:14:44.120 you get free pass to the US.
00:14:46.040 You can do this
00:14:46.940 to any country in the world
00:14:48.440 as an offensive push
00:14:49.680 and you drain their tax base,
00:14:51.920 you drain their industry base,
00:14:53.620 and you raise our own.
00:14:56.860 And I know that many Americans
00:14:58.160 are like,
00:14:58.480 well, now there's wealthier people.
00:15:00.160 Everybody wants
00:15:01.260 some new wealthy immigrant
00:15:02.660 on their street
00:15:03.480 who's paying for stuff.
00:15:04.640 I mean,
00:15:04.820 unless they're only buying
00:15:06.000 from local immigrant communities,
00:15:07.360 which presumably
00:15:08.640 they wouldn't be,
00:15:09.780 it benefits everyone.
00:15:11.300 It benefits
00:15:11.940 every cultural group.
00:15:13.520 Well, and honestly,
00:15:14.600 I don't even think
00:15:15.480 it's a bad thing
00:15:16.460 for people in a neighborhood
00:15:17.820 where an immigrant community
00:15:19.860 is moving in
00:15:20.560 and they're only buying
00:15:21.740 from immigrant stores.
00:15:23.080 Like,
00:15:23.580 we have a large
00:15:24.680 Indian immigrant community
00:15:26.060 near where we live.
00:15:27.300 And oh my God,
00:15:28.160 the Indian restaurants,
00:15:29.440 the Indian grocery stores,
00:15:30.700 like,
00:15:31.400 I've lived in major cities
00:15:32.940 where I would pay
00:15:33.880 to have those kinds of amenities.
00:15:35.380 So also,
00:15:36.080 I think one of the big things
00:15:37.080 that I struggle with
00:15:38.060 with immigration,
00:15:39.020 with fears around immigration,
00:15:40.900 I'm going to understand
00:15:41.460 people's concerns
00:15:42.180 about jobs and everything.
00:15:43.860 But that only matters
00:15:44.960 if you're taking
00:15:45.400 low-skilled immigrants.
00:15:46.880 Yeah.
00:15:47.580 Yeah, that does.
00:15:48.780 And wealth brings in
00:15:50.220 additional businesses,
00:15:51.500 employment opportunities,
00:15:52.420 amazing things.
00:15:53.740 And then there's also this,
00:15:54.820 I don't know,
00:15:55.240 the feeling of interest
00:15:57.340 in cultural homogeny.
00:16:01.160 I mean,
00:16:01.500 for example,
00:16:02.660 we've recently
00:16:03.860 heard from folks
00:16:05.320 who are, like,
00:16:06.200 trying to make it easier
00:16:07.280 for people
00:16:07.920 to date people
00:16:09.300 who are racially similar
00:16:10.660 to them,
00:16:11.760 which I just don't get it
00:16:14.140 because part of me
00:16:15.120 is like,
00:16:15.920 but the whole point
00:16:16.800 is you want to take
00:16:17.640 whatever you have
00:16:18.600 and make it better.
00:16:20.040 And that's also why
00:16:20.720 we don't get life extension,
00:16:21.880 right?
00:16:22.040 Like,
00:16:22.280 why would you make
00:16:22.960 just you go forever
00:16:24.340 when you could combine yourself
00:16:25.580 with someone else
00:16:26.300 who you really respect
00:16:27.160 and make a new,
00:16:28.200 improved version of you
00:16:29.240 that's reinforced
00:16:30.080 and slightly different?
00:16:31.440 And I also think it's odd.
00:16:32.660 I mean,
00:16:32.820 I understand
00:16:33.620 having cultural pride
00:16:35.420 and wanting to pass that down,
00:16:36.780 but I think a really big part
00:16:37.900 in having cultural pride
00:16:39.300 is having enough respect
00:16:40.880 for your culture
00:16:41.640 and its inherent values
00:16:42.900 and the traditions
00:16:43.520 that you really like
00:16:44.360 to try to make them stronger
00:16:46.380 and to make sure
00:16:47.560 that they will last
00:16:48.500 in the face of
00:16:49.220 whatever new modern pressures
00:16:50.740 you're facing.
00:16:52.060 So,
00:16:52.420 I mean,
00:16:53.120 part of me is also confused
00:16:54.640 by concerns
00:16:56.020 about immigration
00:16:56.680 or being wiped out
00:16:57.700 because it's,
00:16:58.360 no, no, no,
00:16:58.600 bring it in.
00:16:59.200 Let's see additional groups
00:17:00.580 and see how they perform
00:17:01.480 and copy what we like
00:17:03.920 or integrate what we like,
00:17:05.900 combine forces.
00:17:06.800 And also,
00:17:07.460 we're really big supporters
00:17:08.460 of plurality.
00:17:09.560 So,
00:17:10.100 rather than just kind of
00:17:11.500 wanting there to be
00:17:12.220 a Noah's arc of cultures,
00:17:13.660 for example,
00:17:14.100 let's keep the Janes,
00:17:15.620 the Emiratis,
00:17:16.540 the South Koreans,
00:17:17.480 the Native Americans,
00:17:18.500 we'd rather see a future
00:17:19.600 and we honestly don't care necessarily
00:17:22.480 if any culture
00:17:23.900 that is alive today
00:17:24.920 exists in a hundred years.
00:17:27.160 What we care about
00:17:27.880 is if maybe like
00:17:28.700 a bunch of weird combinations
00:17:30.460 and iterations
00:17:31.180 and forks of them exist,
00:17:32.740 that's a much better world.
00:17:34.060 Like a stagnant culture,
00:17:35.460 a stagnant ethnicity
00:17:36.680 is of zero interest to us.
00:17:38.940 However,
00:17:39.540 the presence of a broad variety
00:17:41.460 of cultures,
00:17:42.800 ethnicities,
00:17:43.360 whatever it is
00:17:43.840 that you care about
00:17:44.580 is of great interest to us.
00:17:45.980 So,
00:17:46.300 immigration also kind of confuses me
00:17:47.740 because I'm like,
00:17:48.220 oh,
00:17:48.360 this is a chance for us
00:17:49.260 to create a bunch
00:17:50.500 of different forks,
00:17:51.340 a bunch of different combinations,
00:17:53.020 mix and match,
00:17:54.040 do whatever it is you want,
00:17:55.200 learn from each other.
00:17:56.480 Like,
00:17:56.760 we're all going to benefit.
00:17:58.080 What am I missing
00:17:59.120 that like really rubs people
00:18:00.920 the wrong way?
00:18:02.160 Well,
00:18:02.380 so what they don't like
00:18:03.520 is they think
00:18:04.220 that people come into the country
00:18:05.560 and then they change
00:18:06.840 the national character
00:18:08.960 of the country
00:18:09.860 after coming in.
00:18:11.260 Okay.
00:18:12.040 And I will be honest,
00:18:12.960 I think as Americans,
00:18:13.940 this is something
00:18:15.040 that we deal with
00:18:16.600 a lot less
00:18:17.400 than people in Europe.
00:18:18.840 Yeah,
00:18:19.000 well,
00:18:19.240 I think one of the big issues
00:18:20.800 is the nature of immigration
00:18:23.060 that's happening
00:18:23.680 in many other nations
00:18:24.500 is a population
00:18:26.620 that is often
00:18:28.900 like extremely destitute
00:18:30.700 coming from a very war-torn area
00:18:33.200 and that's going to change.
00:18:35.280 Well,
00:18:35.620 no,
00:18:36.100 so I'd argue
00:18:37.780 it's something different.
00:18:38.520 So if you look at the US,
00:18:39.980 our major immigrant group
00:18:41.340 is Hispanic immigrants.
00:18:43.100 And this immigrant group,
00:18:44.340 again,
00:18:44.540 as I pointed out,
00:18:45.240 you can look at the statistics.
00:18:46.280 They are converting
00:18:47.340 in mass
00:18:48.680 to American,
00:18:50.780 like Protestant,
00:18:51.720 evangelical groups.
00:18:52.660 So you're saying
00:18:53.240 there's a lot of
00:18:53.700 cultural compatibility,
00:18:55.180 right?
00:18:55.700 Well,
00:18:55.940 it's cultural compatibility,
00:18:57.720 but it's also
00:18:58.420 that there isn't
00:18:59.380 a cultural moat.
00:19:00.900 Like America,
00:19:02.300 despite what people say,
00:19:03.380 actually is really good
00:19:05.660 at integrating cultures
00:19:07.320 that come into our country.
00:19:08.920 Hmm.
00:19:09.640 There is some limit to that,
00:19:13.200 especially when you're talking about,
00:19:15.960 and I think that this is
00:19:17.240 a really important thing to note.
00:19:18.740 America is really good
00:19:20.260 at integrating cultures
00:19:21.580 into our country
00:19:22.500 when it sees the immigrants
00:19:24.160 from those cultures
00:19:24.900 as economically useful.
00:19:27.040 Then it puts them
00:19:28.080 into our university system.
00:19:29.700 Then it integrates them
00:19:30.840 into our culture.
00:19:31.520 When it doesn't see them
00:19:32.800 as economically useful,
00:19:33.960 it's very bad
00:19:35.020 at integrating them
00:19:35.800 because sort of the,
00:19:37.300 the machines of our system
00:19:39.920 see no point in engaging them.
00:19:41.820 And I think that that's also
00:19:43.000 what you see in Europe,
00:19:43.760 which is another reason
00:19:45.100 why high-skilled immigration
00:19:47.380 makes so much sense.
00:19:49.400 Yeah.
00:19:49.720 Because it allows people
00:19:51.220 to come in
00:19:52.780 who will integrate.
00:19:54.340 High-skilled immigrants
00:19:55.520 do integrate with the culture
00:19:57.660 within two generations.
00:19:58.900 Well, and I guess that also,
00:19:59.920 it goes both ways
00:20:00.840 with my value system, right?
00:20:02.700 Like immigration,
00:20:04.220 but I only like it
00:20:05.200 if it's with cultures
00:20:06.400 that are willing to play ball,
00:20:07.920 cultures that are willing
00:20:08.760 to mix and match
00:20:10.580 and assimilate
00:20:11.560 and interact, right?
00:20:13.460 Like I'm not,
00:20:14.680 I wouldn't see any benefit.
00:20:15.900 The problem is that
00:20:16.540 as an immigration policy,
00:20:18.200 well, that would freak out progressives,
00:20:19.860 is that something
00:20:20.500 you can measure, right?
00:20:21.480 And you can say,
00:20:22.060 okay, well,
00:20:23.140 this cultural group
00:20:24.140 seems really bad
00:20:25.180 at integrating,
00:20:26.540 therefore we'll put restrictions
00:20:27.940 on this cultural group
00:20:29.500 immigrating to our country.
00:20:30.940 And now all of a sudden
00:20:31.800 they're like,
00:20:32.240 well, that's a race
00:20:33.440 or a cultural limitation
00:20:34.980 on who can immigrate
00:20:36.260 to your country.
00:20:37.080 Right.
00:20:37.520 And so they freak out about that.
00:20:39.100 But I really don't think
00:20:40.400 that that's a bad system
00:20:41.680 to just look objectively,
00:20:44.400 which,
00:20:44.480 but actually I don't even think
00:20:45.460 it's a good system.
00:20:46.100 Okay, I'm going to take that back.
00:20:47.180 I don't think it's a good system
00:20:48.360 because I think that
00:20:50.240 across cultural groups,
00:20:51.860 really the thing
00:20:52.840 that protects groups
00:20:54.100 from integrating
00:20:55.000 is wealth.
00:20:57.360 If low wealth groups
00:20:58.680 across groups
00:20:59.640 don't integrate very well,
00:21:01.260 high wealth groups
00:21:02.180 across groups
00:21:03.020 integrate very well.
00:21:04.280 So if you are,
00:21:06.100 if you do make this
00:21:07.760 a skill-based thing
00:21:09.160 and you can even set up systems
00:21:11.280 so people can say,
00:21:11.960 well, this isn't open to everyone.
00:21:13.380 Well, then you can set up
00:21:14.400 if you really want
00:21:15.560 to screw over
00:21:16.100 other countries, right?
00:21:17.520 You set up like
00:21:18.440 online training things
00:21:19.700 like online universities
00:21:20.920 and you make them free.
00:21:22.420 So the U.S. government
00:21:23.120 can host this
00:21:23.700 like an online university.
00:21:24.940 And then the top 5%
00:21:26.520 of students
00:21:26.980 from all over the world
00:21:27.920 get automatic citizenship.
00:21:29.720 So you can deploy this,
00:21:31.460 especially in countries
00:21:32.180 you really don't like.
00:21:33.320 And then just
00:21:33.940 it was in like five,
00:21:35.460 no, just like brain drain,
00:21:37.120 brain drain, brain drain.
00:21:38.060 That is a dick move,
00:21:39.600 but I also love it.
00:21:41.040 No, and all of a sudden,
00:21:42.080 not only is their economy
00:21:43.620 like not able to function
00:21:45.080 at a basic level,
00:21:46.500 but like you've taken away
00:21:48.080 all of their industrial capacity,
00:21:50.200 all of their competence.
00:21:51.460 No, but this is something you-
00:21:52.480 I mean, it's a great offensive maneuver.
00:21:54.300 It's wonderful.
00:21:55.720 Well, yeah,
00:21:56.140 you can do it between generations.
00:21:57.820 So you're getting people,
00:21:59.320 like this is the way you do it
00:22:00.720 so it's not just open to people
00:22:02.200 because you're talking
00:22:02.840 with some of these countries,
00:22:03.820 like you talk about
00:22:04.420 block countries, right?
00:22:05.800 Like a lot of these countries,
00:22:07.260 the people who are in charge
00:22:08.060 are just the people
00:22:08.540 whose families have been
00:22:09.220 in charge for a long time, right?
00:22:10.580 Like people haven't been
00:22:11.400 given a fair shot.
00:22:12.580 So you come in there
00:22:13.700 with a meritocratic system
00:22:14.900 and you start siphoning off
00:22:16.600 all of the actually talented
00:22:18.160 and motivated people,
00:22:19.500 you can crush anyone you don't like.
00:22:22.780 Dating, devastating.
00:22:24.180 Yeah.
00:22:25.380 I love that idea.
00:22:27.180 Yeah, it's a fun,
00:22:28.800 I mean, it's a difficult,
00:22:31.500 it's a difficult subject
00:22:32.660 because I think also
00:22:33.620 a lot of it gets mixed with,
00:22:35.260 and we've totally not talked about this,
00:22:37.220 but like refugee populations
00:22:38.820 and all that.
00:22:40.480 And I think it's difficult.
00:22:41.360 I don't think you should allow immigrants
00:22:42.560 from those populations at all.
00:22:44.720 Where should refugees go?
00:22:47.200 I don't think it's,
00:22:49.240 we should strive to create a world
00:22:51.360 where every country
00:22:52.160 is prosperous and peaceful.
00:22:53.760 Yeah.
00:22:53.980 But I do not think
00:22:55.000 that we benefit from letting,
00:22:57.320 if you look at,
00:22:58.560 and you look at this
00:22:59.240 in some countries,
00:22:59.860 where like a huge portion
00:23:00.580 of the immigrant population
00:23:01.340 just goes directly on
00:23:03.280 to social security,
00:23:04.700 just goes directly on
00:23:06.200 to government pay.
00:23:07.920 And it doesn't help,
00:23:09.000 it doesn't seem to help
00:23:09.840 anyone involved.
00:23:11.380 No, it's not,
00:23:12.280 it's not fixing anything.
00:23:13.900 Okay.
00:23:14.860 We should be striving
00:23:16.360 to create a better world everywhere
00:23:17.740 while understanding
00:23:18.680 that some countries
00:23:19.460 are malicious actors.
00:23:20.600 And then through the system
00:23:21.880 I have described,
00:23:22.660 you can permanently
00:23:23.640 cripple those countries.
00:23:24.940 And I think it's a malicious system
00:23:26.700 if you put it into place.
00:23:27.480 I'm not saying it's the best system,
00:23:29.000 but what I'm saying,
00:23:29.880 a country has done something
00:23:30.740 really bad,
00:23:31.800 like China,
00:23:32.360 when they start going genocidal,
00:23:33.820 right?
00:23:35.160 Yeah, it might make sense
00:23:36.880 to implement a policy like this.
00:23:39.080 And, and I think you would see
00:23:40.660 really quickly how,
00:23:42.480 how fast these countries
00:23:43.580 would freak out
00:23:44.180 when you start siphoning
00:23:45.000 off their competent workforce.
00:23:46.840 Yeah.
00:23:47.380 Yeah, it's interesting.
00:23:48.420 But in regards to the,
00:23:49.860 the, the initial thing of this,
00:23:51.640 because there's this,
00:23:52.640 this strain in the U.S.,
00:23:54.520 which is, well,
00:23:55.020 we need to preserve,
00:23:55.940 like, I don't know,
00:23:57.060 traditional white culture
00:23:58.420 or something like that.
00:23:59.460 And it's, dude,
00:23:59.980 if your culture
00:24:00.880 in, in the new world order,
00:24:02.960 world order has been created.
00:24:05.580 It's not like somebody's out there
00:24:06.860 trying to create it.
00:24:07.600 It's over.
00:24:08.200 It's, it's the emergent
00:24:09.160 or world order of the internet.
00:24:10.980 If it can't survive
00:24:12.620 in the face of competition,
00:24:14.360 if it can't on its own
00:24:15.740 motivate reproduction,
00:24:17.280 it's just not a relevant
00:24:19.520 player anymore.
00:24:20.580 And I see no point
00:24:22.280 in saving these
00:24:23.240 weak cultural groups.
00:24:25.120 We need to find
00:24:26.200 variants of them
00:24:27.100 because in,
00:24:27.700 in order to maintain
00:24:28.860 the strengths of diversity,
00:24:30.200 we need to find
00:24:30.800 variants of them
00:24:31.900 that can stay alive.
00:24:33.300 But more broadly,
00:24:34.680 no, I don't,
00:24:35.200 I don't see the point
00:24:35.860 to save every family
00:24:37.120 in these cultural groups,
00:24:37.920 especially the ones
00:24:38.720 that are,
00:24:39.100 that are begging
00:24:40.080 for isolation.
00:24:41.440 Well, and I think there's no,
00:24:42.720 there's really no such thing
00:24:44.300 as an unchanging culture.
00:24:46.640 Like the cultures
00:24:47.640 that I think many people
00:24:48.500 think they're preserving,
00:24:49.460 the traditional cultures,
00:24:50.900 the inherited cultures
00:24:51.880 actually have changed
00:24:53.520 quite significantly
00:24:54.500 over the past.
00:24:56.020 Quite young, yeah.
00:24:57.120 Yeah, they're,
00:24:57.820 they're, they're fresh,
00:24:58.700 they're new.
00:24:59.140 This is not a brand new thing,
00:25:00.980 but it's also not
00:25:02.180 an ancient tradition.
00:25:03.320 It is going to change naturally.
00:25:04.860 So kind of like
00:25:06.140 with our argument
00:25:06.780 on life extension,
00:25:07.720 there is no such thing
00:25:09.020 as a continuous culture,
00:25:10.400 even if you leave it
00:25:11.400 in isolation
00:25:12.080 over a hundred years,
00:25:13.720 just like there's
00:25:14.320 no such thing
00:25:14.780 as a continuous consciousness
00:25:16.000 or biological human
00:25:17.960 over a hundred years.
00:25:19.860 So rather than trying
00:25:21.720 to hold on to something
00:25:22.580 that's utterly impossible,
00:25:24.180 why don't you have fun
00:25:25.200 with mixing,
00:25:25.900 matching,
00:25:26.120 forking,
00:25:26.740 iterating and improving
00:25:28.060 in, in a way
00:25:29.120 that helps everyone
00:25:30.000 and that makes
00:25:30.940 all groups stronger.
00:25:33.520 Anyway, this was fun.
00:25:34.320 I think to really point,
00:25:35.600 I mean, if we're talking
00:25:36.380 about like the,
00:25:37.060 the elephant in the room,
00:25:38.960 when people are like,
00:25:39.940 well, Western white culture,
00:25:42.200 right?
00:25:42.400 Like that's what
00:25:43.060 I want to preserve.
00:25:43.720 And it's like,
00:25:43.960 do you think that that,
00:25:44.740 that what you think of
00:25:45.820 as today is Western white culture
00:25:47.300 is anything close
00:25:48.120 to what it was
00:25:48.780 500 years ago?
00:25:50.740 No, seriously.
00:25:51.440 No, no.
00:25:52.560 They are wildly
00:25:54.160 more different
00:25:54.780 from each other
00:25:55.500 than they are
00:25:56.480 from Hispanic
00:25:57.760 immigrant populations,
00:25:59.000 from American
00:26:00.660 black populations.
00:26:02.100 Like you,
00:26:03.380 you have changed
00:26:04.520 so much.
00:26:05.660 What you mean
00:26:06.480 by historic
00:26:07.460 white culture
00:26:08.060 often
00:26:08.480 is a lie
00:26:10.360 that was never
00:26:11.180 really that common
00:26:12.060 that was sold
00:26:13.040 to you
00:26:13.520 by the Hollywood elite
00:26:14.920 who was in power
00:26:15.840 in the 1950s.
00:26:17.060 That was never
00:26:18.220 a dominant cultural group
00:26:19.320 in this country.
00:26:19.860 It has always
00:26:21.060 been a fabrication
00:26:21.960 sold to you
00:26:22.880 by the Hollywood elites
00:26:23.860 and you believe them
00:26:25.160 because what?
00:26:25.800 They were the Hollywood elites
00:26:27.020 for 50 years ago?
00:26:28.260 So,
00:26:28.520 so those Hollywood elites
00:26:29.880 were so different
00:26:31.120 from today's Hollywood elites?
00:26:32.660 They had no
00:26:33.700 mischievous intentions,
00:26:36.080 no malintentions
00:26:37.760 on,
00:26:38.060 on,
00:26:38.300 on disrupting
00:26:39.280 your cultural group?
00:26:41.160 Of course they did.
00:26:42.320 Of course they did.
00:26:43.220 They don't care about you.
00:26:44.620 They were trying
00:26:45.020 to sell stuff.
00:26:45.940 I feel somewhat similarly
00:26:47.760 about,
00:26:49.040 for example,
00:26:49.940 Bronze Age mindset.
00:26:51.000 It's a lovely fantasy
00:26:51.920 but it,
00:26:53.140 if you actually
00:26:53.740 went back
00:26:54.180 to the Bronze Age
00:26:54.960 and existed
00:26:55.440 even as a
00:26:56.500 super strong
00:26:58.120 alpha male type,
00:27:00.020 you probably
00:27:00.820 would want to go
00:27:01.740 back to today
00:27:02.580 real fast,
00:27:03.820 like even as,
00:27:04.740 as an incel dude.
00:27:06.220 So,
00:27:06.720 I don't know.
00:27:08.380 I,
00:27:08.700 I think
00:27:09.200 it's fun to have fantasies.
00:27:10.880 I'm all for
00:27:11.420 indulging in them
00:27:12.240 but we need to,
00:27:13.540 we need to be realistic.
00:27:14.980 But yeah,
00:27:15.180 anyway,
00:27:15.600 I love talking
00:27:16.140 with you Malcolm.
00:27:16.760 This was really fun.
00:27:17.680 Looking forward
00:27:18.140 to our next conversation.
00:27:19.100 These are like our dates.
00:27:20.200 They're so great.
00:27:21.280 I love spending time
00:27:22.020 with you.
00:27:22.460 But everything's a date.
00:27:23.380 Dropping off the kids
00:27:24.100 at daycare is a date.
00:27:25.100 Doing our taxes
00:27:25.760 is a date.
00:27:25.860 I find them really engaging
00:27:26.980 and I get excited
00:27:27.700 about them
00:27:28.080 and I get excited
00:27:28.740 seeing how people
00:27:29.640 are going to react to them.
00:27:30.460 That's,
00:27:30.640 that's one of my favorite
00:27:31.340 things.
00:27:31.880 Through you of course.
00:27:32.780 I,
00:27:33.040 I can't deal,
00:27:33.820 I can barely deal
00:27:34.960 with reading the comments
00:27:35.660 myself but
00:27:36.280 through you.
00:27:37.700 You know how we talk
00:27:38.460 about like offense
00:27:39.260 and I'm like,
00:27:40.440 oh yeah,
00:27:40.780 if somebody was like
00:27:41.380 Malcolm you're dumb
00:27:42.080 that wouldn't
00:27:42.500 really offend me.
00:27:43.460 If somebody was like
00:27:44.480 Malcolm you're fat
00:27:45.400 that wouldn't offend me.
00:27:46.420 One comment we see
00:27:47.340 regularly that I like,
00:27:48.620 oh my god,
00:27:49.580 they're so right.
00:27:50.420 Like I hate this
00:27:51.060 about myself.
00:27:51.860 You talk over people Malcolm
00:27:53.140 and I'm like,
00:27:54.620 that's how you really
00:27:55.540 get someone.
00:27:56.080 If you say something
00:27:57.120 that makes them
00:27:57.900 question their self-identity
00:27:59.000 and they know
00:27:59.580 it's probably true
00:28:00.360 because when I read that
00:28:01.220 oh,
00:28:01.540 it's just crippling
00:28:02.220 because I'm like,
00:28:02.720 I really don't want
00:28:04.300 to be that kind
00:28:04.800 of a person
00:28:05.260 but I am.
00:28:06.740 So give us your
00:28:07.580 brutal,
00:28:08.320 constructive,
00:28:09.120 realistic criticism
00:28:10.300 because that's how
00:28:12.140 you really twist
00:28:12.840 the knife friends.
00:28:14.080 That's how you do it.
00:28:16.400 Love you all.
00:28:17.140 Bye.