Based Camp - Based Camp： Even White Supremacists are Stupid to Support White Nationalism

00:00:00.000 There is no point in protecting very weak cultures. 0.81

00:00:04.580 And I know actually some white nationalists

00:00:06.160 listen to our channel.

00:00:07.300 This is why we care so little about white nationalism.

00:00:10.160 Even if you do seal yourself off, 0.99

00:00:12.160 you'll just die alone like Korea. 1.00

00:00:14.560 In fact, I can't think of any wealthy monocultures

00:00:18.820 or wealthy SNO states that have high fertility rates.

00:00:21.420 Not a single one in the world.

00:00:23.940 You look at the countries that are wealthy

00:00:25.580 with the highest fertility rates

00:00:27.000 and they've shown the most resistance to fertility class. 0.91

00:00:29.020 You're looking at countries like Israel and the United States,

00:00:31.880 which are two of the most diverse wealthy countries.

00:00:34.520 The rules of the game have completely changed.

00:00:39.240 And when you play by the old system, you lose.

00:00:42.260 Now, where this is relevant to immigration policy in the U.S.

00:00:45.580 But what I've also found really interesting

00:00:47.180 is essentially your offensive stance on immigration.

00:00:51.320 Would you like to know more?

00:00:53.080 Hello, Malcolm.

00:00:54.660 Hello, Simone. How's it going?

00:00:57.360 I'm enjoying a beautiful overcast day.

00:00:59.900 It's gorgeous.

00:01:01.980 I'm enjoying it too.

00:01:03.240 What are we talking about today?

00:01:06.300 Immigration, my friend. Immigration. 0.99

00:01:09.080 Yeah, I think that this is a fun one for us to dig into

00:01:11.840 because it's a topic where both of the political parties' 0.70

00:01:16.620 perspective on this has been shifting a lot recently.

00:01:19.120 And we have a perspective on what should be the conservative position

00:01:23.500 going forwards and what made sense as a conservative position historically.

00:01:27.660 So historically, the conservative position on immigration is

00:01:30.820 let's prevent immigration, right? 1.00

00:01:33.060 Maintain cultural homogeny of a region

00:01:35.180 to prevent any culture within that region from eroding

00:01:38.440 so that culture can be transmitted well

00:01:41.220 from one generation to future generations.

00:01:43.480 And then if you were going to spread your culture

00:01:46.860 or your ideology, you do it through conquest

00:01:50.160 or through market forces.

00:01:53.460 Or through manifest destiny.

00:01:55.480 Well, yeah.

00:01:56.100 I mean, obviously, there's a manifest destiny way of doing it

00:01:58.640 or countries trying to take over their neighbors.

00:02:01.440 But you can also export it through market-based forces.

00:02:04.280 So if you bring another country to a market-based system

00:02:08.600 and you are exporting your culture into a free market of ideas,

00:02:13.660 but you are the dominant cultural force in the world

00:02:16.260 or the wealthiest cultural force,

00:02:17.920 it's very easy to begin to stomp out other cultures 1.00

00:02:20.660 with your cultural exports.

00:02:22.380 But the game has entirely changed now

00:02:25.680 and that system doesn't make sense anymore.

00:02:28.260 And it doesn't achieve what it used to achieve.

00:02:30.480 So the reason why you would do that historically

00:02:34.220 was so that other groups did not erode your culture.

00:02:39.700 However, there are two big hiccups to that these days.

00:02:43.400 The first being that no matter where you are in the world,

00:02:47.780 your kids and your community is going to have access

00:02:51.300 to the entire world of cultures online.

00:02:55.260 If they're engaged in any sort of technophilic lifestyle,

00:02:58.340 which means most lifestyles that allow for high economic output.

00:03:02.680 So economically productive individuals

00:03:04.900 are going to be able to see pretty much

00:03:07.740 all of the world's culture

00:03:09.620 and the internet culture is going to be part of their life

00:03:13.020 wherever they are.

00:03:14.620 And so the market forces don't matter as much

00:03:16.600 when you're dealing, they do to an extent,

00:03:18.280 but a lot less than they did historically.

00:03:20.240 And maintaining control of your borders matters a lot less

00:03:23.700 when you're talking about cultural erosion.

00:03:25.560 The other is that fertility rates are falling all over the world,

00:03:29.780 even within conservative cultures

00:03:31.620 that historically would have just naturally grown

00:03:34.660 had they been left alone.

00:03:36.480 So if you look at the wealthy countries in the world

00:03:40.040 with the lowest fertility rates,

00:03:42.380 with a few exceptions like Singapore,

00:03:44.360 almost all of them are very culturally homogenous.

00:03:47.340 Obviously, great example here is South Korea

00:03:49.240 was one of the lowest fertility rates of the world,

00:03:51.340 which is basically a monoculture and a mono-ethnic state.

00:03:54.580 In fact, I can't think of any wealthy monocultures

00:03:59.180 or wealthy ethno states that have high fertility rates,

00:04:01.920 not a single one in the world.

00:04:04.020 You look at the countries that are wealthy

00:04:05.900 with the highest fertility rates

00:04:07.340 and they've shown the most resistant to fertility collapse,

00:04:10.260 you're looking at countries like Israel

00:04:11.920 and the United States,

00:04:12.780 which are two of the most diverse wealthy countries.

00:04:16.000 So sealing yourself off from the rest of the world

00:04:19.700 because other countries are eroding yours

00:04:21.700 doesn't really protect you anymore.

00:04:25.160 And here's where I'm going to say something

00:04:27.200 that's very offensive.

00:04:28.680 There is no point really in protecting very weak cultures. 0.85

00:04:34.020 If a culture today cannot survive

00:04:37.200 in the face of other cultural forces,

00:04:39.740 there is no reason to protect it.

00:04:42.380 What we can do is look for mutations of that culture

00:04:46.200 that do show resistance.

00:04:47.540 If we were looking at a population like in ecology

00:04:51.400 and there was like a new pollution in the landscape

00:04:53.440 and it was killing almost all of this one species of bunnies,

00:04:57.340 there's no point in saving the bunnies

00:05:00.020 that are most dying due to this pollution.

00:05:03.540 You want to look for the iterations of that bunny

00:05:06.080 that are most resistant to the pollution.

00:05:08.620 And at the end of the day,

00:05:09.500 because I know actually some white nationalists

00:05:11.080 listen to our channel,

00:05:12.180 this is why we care so little about white nationalism,

00:05:14.700 especially any form of...

00:05:17.640 I can even understand like ethnic groups

00:05:19.540 like caring about their own kind, right?

00:05:22.360 What I can't understand is why I would at all care

00:05:25.700 about a form of nationalism that goes extinct

00:05:28.060 as soon as there's immigrant populations around them.

00:05:30.520 Like that's the world of the future, right?

00:05:33.820 Even if you do seal yourself off,

00:05:35.840 you'll just die alone like Korea. 1.00

00:05:38.260 Remind me of Mr. House from Fallout 3,

00:05:41.160 like talking about how superior he is.

00:05:43.420 And then the moment you go to unseal him

00:05:45.420 from his hermetic pod,

00:05:46.820 he starts like gasping and is like,

00:05:48.540 oh no, a single germ will kill me.

00:05:51.660 It's okay. 0.66

00:05:52.360 Well, like clearly you're not that great a culture.

00:05:55.520 And this is what really matters

00:05:57.660 is that historically,

00:05:59.080 if you look at people with this old cultural mindset,

00:06:01.700 so you look at this in Russia right now, right?

00:06:04.120 They're like, okay, well,

00:06:05.120 we need to consolidate people of our cultural groups.

00:06:09.040 We need to spread our cultural ideals,

00:06:12.460 which you saw them doing in Ukraine,

00:06:13.820 forced Russian language and stuff like that

00:06:15.540 when they controlled Ukraine.

00:06:16.460 And it looks like they were going to do that again

00:06:17.940 if they went over and took over Ukraine again, right?

00:06:19.780 That's how they're going to spread their culture.

00:06:21.180 But why?

00:06:22.060 Like their own fertility rate is almost nothing.

00:06:26.060 The Ukrainian fertility rate is almost nothing.

00:06:28.280 They are achieving nothing.

00:06:30.760 It is completely pointless.

00:06:32.800 And yet you look at cultural groups

00:06:35.360 that have no aspiration of taking over the state,

00:06:38.740 like the Amish, which are exploding.

00:06:41.820 You look at the Hutterites, 0.96

00:06:43.100 which is a branch of Anabaptists,

00:06:44.980 and they've gone in just the past 140 years

00:06:47.680 from 400 people in one community to over 50,000.

00:06:52.600 And that's with no immigration, no conversion, 0.86

00:06:55.660 just a high birth rate can win. 0.95

00:06:57.560 And the Amish, 0.56

00:06:58.280 they aren't going out converting other people.

00:07:00.600 They aren't going out conquering other people.

00:07:02.800 And yet they are cleaning up now

00:07:05.560 because the rules of the game have completely changed.

00:07:10.800 And when you play by the old system, you lose.

00:07:13.820 Now, where this is relevant to immigration policy in the U.S.

00:07:16.940 is every cultural group living within the U.S.

00:07:20.120 or in any country that can resist outside cultures

00:07:24.000 and better, they can convert outside cultures

00:07:27.180 or the cultural groups that will win in the future.

00:07:29.160 So you look, this is another interesting thing.

00:07:31.320 So you see people like,

00:07:32.980 he's talked about us before, Nick Fuentes, right?

00:07:35.400 He goes on about, oh, you guys are so terrible.

00:07:37.560 So he's a Catholic integralist, right?

00:07:39.300 He believes that eventually you should have a Catholic monarchy

00:07:41.520 that like rules over the entire world.

00:07:43.360 And he's against immigration.

00:07:44.780 And I'm often like,

00:07:45.540 why would a Catholic immigrant integral 1.00

00:07:47.200 is being against immigration?

00:07:48.480 If like most of the immigrant populations are Catholic.

00:07:50.620 And the answer is, if you look at the rates

00:07:53.080 is because a lot of the Hispanic immigrants

00:07:54.700 are converting to Protestant cultural traditions

00:07:57.800 away from Catholic cultural traditions.

00:08:00.000 So of course, he'd be scared about that, right?

00:08:02.420 But what that means is actually,

00:08:05.980 if your culture is a really strong culture,

00:08:08.700 any immigrant community that comes to your country

00:08:10.860 will convert into that culture.

00:08:12.480 You benefit from immigration in a big way. 0.96

00:08:16.760 But okay.

00:08:17.140 So anyway, the future is you have to be able to survive

00:08:19.880 in the face of other cultural groups 0.99

00:08:21.860 and alongside and copacetically with other cultural groups.

00:08:25.720 So then what type of immigrants do you want? 0.99

00:08:27.620 What you want are immigrants 1.00

00:08:28.640 that help the economy of your country.

00:08:30.360 And that's not true of all immigrant groups today, right?

00:08:33.700 And this is something that Trump actually worked for

00:08:35.860 was skill-based immigration policy.

00:08:38.940 And it was shut down

00:08:40.720 because he couldn't get enough Republican support for it

00:08:43.060 or really galvanize the troops.

00:08:44.520 But if he had,

00:08:45.500 that would have been a really powerful immigration policy

00:08:47.840 I really would have supported

00:08:48.920 to the extent where I just think it's crazy

00:08:51.060 that we have people come to our country, 0.99

00:08:52.760 we give them PhDs from like Harvard and Stanford

00:08:55.580 and then what, we kick them out?

00:08:57.460 What are we doing?

00:08:58.060 Yeah, that's wild.

00:08:58.940 That's wild.

00:08:59.880 But I want to hear your thoughts on this, Simone.

00:09:01.460 I've just ranted for a long time

00:09:03.140 without giving you a chance to speak.

00:09:04.820 You've talked about the defensive perspective

00:09:08.360 on immigration,

00:09:09.300 which I think is important.

00:09:10.960 And I think it's interesting.

00:09:12.320 But what I've also found really interesting

00:09:14.520 is essentially your offensive stance on immigration.

00:09:18.580 Sort of the point you make is in the past

00:09:21.060 to essentially take over a nation,

00:09:24.540 you had to invade it as a group.

00:09:26.800 And that's what still some nations

00:09:29.000 are apparently trying to do.

00:09:30.760 Whereas in a future in which population

00:09:33.580 or fertility rates crash in the face of modernity,

00:09:37.220 really the way that you can take over a territory,

00:09:40.760 a nation, whatever you want,

00:09:42.660 is by merely creating an intergenerationally durable culture.

00:09:46.580 So I don't think it's just that,

00:09:48.280 okay, well, if you love your culture,

00:09:49.700 if you care about it,

00:09:51.280 you shouldn't be afraid of immigration

00:09:52.940 because if you can't compete in the face of it,

00:09:56.140 you kind of don't deserve to stick around.

00:09:59.280 But also this really interesting idea that,

00:10:01.840 okay, if you really, really do love your culture,

00:10:04.060 what you should really be focusing on

00:10:06.440 is making your culture as strong,

00:10:08.380 as competitive, as sustainable,

00:10:09.940 and as high fertility as possible

00:10:12.180 because you can literally inherit the world

00:10:15.020 without war, without violence, without anything

00:10:17.720 if you manage to do that,

00:10:19.120 if you manage to be one of the best of the best,

00:10:21.040 both in terms of just being competitive,

00:10:22.720 technologically, economically, whatever speaking,

00:10:25.120 but also just maintaining population rates

00:10:27.280 and growing in population.

00:10:29.100 Yeah, a single family having eight kids

00:10:30.940 for 11 generations

00:10:31.900 has more descendants than live on earth today.

00:10:34.600 And to what you're speaking,

00:10:35.800 where this was really clear to me

00:10:36.840 is when I was working in Korea

00:10:37.920 at the current Korean fertility rate,

00:10:39.320 which is 0.8,

00:10:40.020 that means for every hundred Koreans,

00:10:41.320 there'll be 6.4 great-grandchildren, right?

00:10:44.080 And this is if it doesn't keep declining,

00:10:45.960 which everything looks like it will.

00:10:47.540 So they're down to 6% of their current population

00:10:49.580 in 100 years, probably less,

00:10:50.740 probably like 4 or 3%.

00:10:51.720 And I was thinking, okay,

00:10:52.980 so then what do they do?

00:10:54.020 Like, where do they get people to fill all this land?

00:10:55.780 I was like, well, they could take people

00:10:56.760 from their neighbors like China or Japan,

00:10:58.720 but those countries also have collapsing populations.

00:11:01.160 And you're looking at these three countries

00:11:03.440 that historically have been at each other's throats.

00:11:06.760 And less than 100 years ago,

00:11:07.780 one of them, Japan, went through,

00:11:09.680 murdered, I think, millions of people,

00:11:11.880 at least hundreds of thousands of people,

00:11:13.700 to try to culturally dominate

00:11:15.800 these other two regions.

00:11:17.200 So they were able to motivate their people 0.98

00:11:19.940 to go out and kill people 0.94

00:11:21.660 to spread their culture, 0.96

00:11:23.200 but they were to dominate other regions,

00:11:25.000 but they aren't able to motivate them

00:11:26.160 to just have kids to do the same thing.

00:11:28.240 And I think that this is the crazy thing,

00:11:30.080 that it is actually harder

00:11:32.440 in the face of modernity,

00:11:34.460 in the face of the internet,

00:11:35.680 in the face of prosperity,

00:11:36.820 to motivate people to have kids

00:11:40.080 than it was historically

00:11:41.720 to motivate people to kill other people.

00:11:43.400 And that's wild, 0.68

00:11:44.840 but it is kind of cool

00:11:46.060 when you look at this new cultural game,

00:11:47.520 because the people who win

00:11:49.460 are the people who can love better.

00:11:52.760 And I'd say not breed better, right?

00:11:55.260 Because you could just have 10 kids,

00:11:56.940 but if you don't give those kids

00:11:58.100 a good childhood,

00:11:59.580 they'll leave your culture. 0.79

00:12:01.160 We live in this great world today

00:12:03.120 where the first 18 months of a kid's life,

00:12:06.160 right, are a pitch

00:12:07.880 that your cultural group

00:12:09.700 is the cultural group they should stay in, 0.99

00:12:11.760 and they can leave that cultural group

00:12:14.200 and go to other cultural groups

00:12:15.380 if you don't make the pitch well.

00:12:17.180 Or if you allow other people

00:12:18.760 to brainwash them when they're too young,

00:12:20.160 which is one of the reasons

00:12:20.860 why you want to sort of

00:12:21.620 keep your hands on your kids.

00:12:23.720 So I understand in some countries,

00:12:25.260 other cultural groups

00:12:26.060 have rigged the game,

00:12:26.920 basically taking people's kids from them.

00:12:28.720 And that's really harsh.

00:12:30.100 But then you have to get out

00:12:31.680 of those countries, right?

00:12:32.920 If a country is not going to let you

00:12:34.480 in culture culture to your kids,

00:12:35.720 you need to get out of those countries.

00:12:37.300 Because I think that's the highest

00:12:38.420 sovereign right of any individual

00:12:39.860 in any cultural group,

00:12:41.700 especially in a world

00:12:42.620 where the dominant cultural groups,

00:12:44.260 the groups that they're trying

00:12:45.020 to imprint your kids with

00:12:45.920 are just so low fertility. 0.95

00:12:47.640 But what's great is in this world

00:12:50.200 where you get this 18 years

00:12:52.660 to make a kid's pitch,

00:12:55.380 join my culture.

00:12:56.540 Many of the old tactics

00:12:57.600 that groups used to use,

00:12:58.500 if you don't join my culture,

00:12:59.640 you'll be shunned.

00:13:01.060 It's well, too bad.

00:13:02.640 Like the internet exists.

00:13:03.860 Like I'll find a friends

00:13:04.800 in other places.

00:13:05.760 Like a lot of the threats

00:13:07.300 that cultures used to use 0.99

00:13:08.820 to keep kids within their groups

00:13:10.100 don't work.

00:13:11.960 Really the only pitches

00:13:13.340 that seem to consistently work

00:13:14.780 these days,

00:13:15.120 and I think this is part

00:13:15.840 of the reasons why

00:13:16.300 Jewish fertility rates 0.89

00:13:17.040 are so high in the face

00:13:18.000 of prosperity,

00:13:18.980 is stay in our cultural group

00:13:20.480 and you will benefit.

00:13:22.360 Like there are benefits

00:13:23.820 to being a member

00:13:24.640 of our cultural group.

00:13:25.940 It makes your life easier

00:13:27.060 in these ways.

00:13:27.860 It helps your career

00:13:28.760 in these ways.

00:13:29.580 It helps your mental health

00:13:30.500 in these ways.

00:13:31.620 And so I think pitches

00:13:32.460 that lean towards that

00:13:33.560 rather than the threats,

00:13:34.860 which historically used to be

00:13:36.120 a really good cultural strategy,

00:13:37.800 are the cultural groups

00:13:38.900 that will win in the future,

00:13:40.120 which is again why I say

00:13:41.040 you need to learn to love

00:13:42.120 better than other cultural groups

00:13:43.320 to dominate the future.

00:13:44.320 But here is the other thing

00:13:45.860 about aggressive immigration

00:13:46.980 policy that someone

00:13:47.720 was talking about

00:13:48.240 and using immigration

00:13:49.000 policy offensively.

00:13:51.000 And this is something

00:13:51.700 I'm really sad

00:13:52.600 that America hasn't done.

00:13:53.920 Offensive immigration policy.

00:13:55.340 I just love the term

00:13:56.620 on its own.

00:13:57.620 Well, it's something like

00:13:58.480 when China started messing 1.00

00:13:59.600 with Hong Kong recently

00:14:00.980 and started making

00:14:01.680 all those changes,

00:14:02.740 America just said, 0.99

00:14:03.520 okay, everyone in Hong Kong

00:14:05.100 was over this much money,

00:14:06.680 free immigrant pass to the US.

00:14:08.800 And let me tell you what,

00:14:09.960 people from Hong Kong,

00:14:11.100 they're not going to convert 0.98

00:14:12.240 your kids to their culture.

00:14:13.700 Okay?

00:14:14.040 Like they are of no threat

00:14:15.660 to you as a cultural group.

00:14:17.440 There are people out there

00:14:18.600 who want to convert

00:14:19.180 your kids to their culture,

00:14:20.400 but they're not the immigrants.

00:14:22.400 So anyway,

00:14:23.300 they're of no threat

00:14:24.060 to you, anyone, 0.94

00:14:24.780 even the most like racist American.

00:14:26.820 These people are of no threat

00:14:27.960 to them really.

00:14:29.040 So you bring in

00:14:30.800 these wealthy Hong Kong immigrants.

00:14:33.500 China has now won 0.52

00:14:34.700 a completely feckless prize.

00:14:37.060 We could do the same

00:14:37.920 with Russians

00:14:38.480 when Russia starts this award

00:14:40.280 that we don't like, right?

00:14:41.180 So you say, okay,

00:14:42.100 well, every Russian

00:14:42.940 with over X amount of money,

00:14:44.120 you get free pass to the US.

00:14:46.040 You can do this

00:14:46.940 to any country in the world

00:14:48.440 as an offensive push

00:14:49.680 and you drain their tax base,

00:14:51.920 you drain their industry base,

00:14:53.620 and you raise our own.

00:14:56.860 And I know that many Americans

00:14:58.160 are like,

00:14:58.480 well, now there's wealthier people.

00:15:00.160 Everybody wants

00:15:01.260 some new wealthy immigrant

00:15:02.660 on their street

00:15:03.480 who's paying for stuff.

00:15:04.640 I mean,

00:15:04.820 unless they're only buying

00:15:06.000 from local immigrant communities,

00:15:07.360 which presumably

00:15:08.640 they wouldn't be,

00:15:09.780 it benefits everyone.

00:15:11.300 It benefits

00:15:11.940 every cultural group.

00:15:13.520 Well, and honestly,

00:15:14.600 I don't even think

00:15:15.480 it's a bad thing

00:15:16.460 for people in a neighborhood

00:15:17.820 where an immigrant community

00:15:19.860 is moving in

00:15:20.560 and they're only buying

00:15:21.740 from immigrant stores.

00:15:23.080 Like,

00:15:23.580 we have a large

00:15:24.680 Indian immigrant community

00:15:26.060 near where we live.

00:15:27.300 And oh my God,

00:15:28.160 the Indian restaurants,

00:15:29.440 the Indian grocery stores,

00:15:30.700 like,

00:15:31.400 I've lived in major cities

00:15:32.940 where I would pay

00:15:33.880 to have those kinds of amenities.

00:15:35.380 So also,

00:15:36.080 I think one of the big things

00:15:37.080 that I struggle with

00:15:38.060 with immigration,

00:15:39.020 with fears around immigration,

00:15:40.900 I'm going to understand

00:15:41.460 people's concerns

00:15:42.180 about jobs and everything.

00:15:43.860 But that only matters

00:15:44.960 if you're taking

00:15:45.400 low-skilled immigrants. 1.00

00:15:46.880 Yeah.

00:15:47.580 Yeah, that does.

00:15:48.780 And wealth brings in

00:15:50.220 additional businesses,

00:15:51.500 employment opportunities,

00:15:52.420 amazing things.

00:15:53.740 And then there's also this,

00:15:54.820 I don't know,

00:15:55.240 the feeling of interest

00:15:57.340 in cultural homogeny.

00:16:01.160 I mean,

00:16:01.500 for example,

00:16:02.660 we've recently

00:16:03.860 heard from folks

00:16:05.320 who are, like,

00:16:06.200 trying to make it easier

00:16:07.280 for people

00:16:07.920 to date people

00:16:09.300 who are racially similar

00:16:10.660 to them,

00:16:11.760 which I just don't get it

00:16:14.140 because part of me

00:16:15.120 is like,

00:16:15.920 but the whole point

00:16:16.800 is you want to take

00:16:17.640 whatever you have

00:16:18.600 and make it better.

00:16:20.040 And that's also why

00:16:20.720 we don't get life extension,

00:16:21.880 right?

00:16:22.040 Like,

00:16:22.280 why would you make

00:16:22.960 just you go forever

00:16:24.340 when you could combine yourself

00:16:25.580 with someone else

00:16:26.300 who you really respect

00:16:27.160 and make a new,

00:16:28.200 improved version of you

00:16:29.240 that's reinforced

00:16:30.080 and slightly different?

00:16:31.440 And I also think it's odd.

00:16:32.660 I mean,

00:16:32.820 I understand

00:16:33.620 having cultural pride

00:16:35.420 and wanting to pass that down,

00:16:36.780 but I think a really big part

00:16:37.900 in having cultural pride

00:16:39.300 is having enough respect

00:16:40.880 for your culture

00:16:41.640 and its inherent values

00:16:42.900 and the traditions

00:16:43.520 that you really like

00:16:44.360 to try to make them stronger

00:16:46.380 and to make sure

00:16:47.560 that they will last

00:16:48.500 in the face of

00:16:49.220 whatever new modern pressures

00:16:50.740 you're facing.

00:16:52.060 So,

00:16:52.420 I mean,

00:16:53.120 part of me is also confused

00:16:54.640 by concerns

00:16:56.020 about immigration

00:16:56.680 or being wiped out

00:16:57.700 because it's,

00:16:58.360 no, no, no,

00:16:58.600 bring it in.

00:16:59.200 Let's see additional groups

00:17:00.580 and see how they perform

00:17:01.480 and copy what we like

00:17:03.920 or integrate what we like,

00:17:05.900 combine forces.

00:17:06.800 And also,

00:17:07.460 we're really big supporters

00:17:08.460 of plurality.

00:17:09.560 So,

00:17:10.100 rather than just kind of

00:17:11.500 wanting there to be

00:17:12.220 a Noah's arc of cultures,

00:17:13.660 for example,

00:17:14.100 let's keep the Janes, 1.00

00:17:15.620 the Emiratis,

00:17:16.540 the South Koreans,

00:17:17.480 the Native Americans,

00:17:18.500 we'd rather see a future

00:17:19.600 and we honestly don't care necessarily

00:17:22.480 if any culture

00:17:23.900 that is alive today

00:17:24.920 exists in a hundred years.

00:17:27.160 What we care about

00:17:27.880 is if maybe like

00:17:28.700 a bunch of weird combinations

00:17:30.460 and iterations

00:17:31.180 and forks of them exist,

00:17:32.740 that's a much better world.

00:17:34.060 Like a stagnant culture,

00:17:35.460 a stagnant ethnicity 1.00

00:17:36.680 is of zero interest to us.

00:17:38.940 However,

00:17:39.540 the presence of a broad variety

00:17:41.460 of cultures,

00:17:42.800 ethnicities,

00:17:43.360 whatever it is

00:17:43.840 that you care about

00:17:44.580 is of great interest to us.

00:17:45.980 So,

00:17:46.300 immigration also kind of confuses me 1.00

00:17:47.740 because I'm like,

00:17:48.220 oh,

00:17:48.360 this is a chance for us

00:17:49.260 to create a bunch

00:17:50.500 of different forks,

00:17:51.340 a bunch of different combinations,

00:17:53.020 mix and match,

00:17:54.040 do whatever it is you want,

00:17:55.200 learn from each other.

00:17:56.480 Like,

00:17:56.760 we're all going to benefit.

00:17:58.080 What am I missing

00:17:59.120 that like really rubs people

00:18:00.920 the wrong way?

00:18:02.160 Well,

00:18:02.380 so what they don't like

00:18:03.520 is they think

00:18:04.220 that people come into the country 1.00

00:18:05.560 and then they change

00:18:06.840 the national character

00:18:08.960 of the country

00:18:09.860 after coming in.

00:18:11.260 Okay.

00:18:12.040 And I will be honest,

00:18:12.960 I think as Americans,

00:18:13.940 this is something

00:18:15.040 that we deal with

00:18:16.600 a lot less

00:18:17.400 than people in Europe.

00:18:18.840 Yeah,

00:18:19.000 well,

00:18:19.240 I think one of the big issues

00:18:20.800 is the nature of immigration 0.72

00:18:23.060 that's happening

00:18:23.680 in many other nations

00:18:24.500 is a population

00:18:26.620 that is often

00:18:28.900 like extremely destitute

00:18:30.700 coming from a very war-torn area

00:18:33.200 and that's going to change.

00:18:35.280 Well,

00:18:35.620 no,

00:18:36.100 so I'd argue

00:18:37.780 it's something different.

00:18:38.520 So if you look at the US,

00:18:39.980 our major immigrant group

00:18:41.340 is Hispanic immigrants.

00:18:43.100 And this immigrant group,

00:18:44.340 again,

00:18:44.540 as I pointed out,

00:18:45.240 you can look at the statistics.

00:18:46.280 They are converting

00:18:47.340 in mass

00:18:48.680 to American,

00:18:50.780 like Protestant, 0.92

00:18:51.720 evangelical groups.

00:18:52.660 So you're saying

00:18:53.240 there's a lot of

00:18:53.700 cultural compatibility,

00:18:55.180 right?

00:18:55.700 Well,

00:18:55.940 it's cultural compatibility,

00:18:57.720 but it's also

00:18:58.420 that there isn't

00:18:59.380 a cultural moat.

00:19:00.900 Like America, 0.75

00:19:02.300 despite what people say,

00:19:03.380 actually is really good

00:19:05.660 at integrating cultures

00:19:07.320 that come into our country.

00:19:08.920 Hmm.

00:19:09.640 There is some limit to that,

00:19:13.200 especially when you're talking about,

00:19:15.960 and I think that this is

00:19:17.240 a really important thing to note.

00:19:18.740 America is really good

00:19:20.260 at integrating cultures

00:19:21.580 into our country

00:19:22.500 when it sees the immigrants 1.00

00:19:24.160 from those cultures

00:19:24.900 as economically useful.

00:19:27.040 Then it puts them

00:19:28.080 into our university system.

00:19:29.700 Then it integrates them

00:19:30.840 into our culture.

00:19:31.520 When it doesn't see them

00:19:32.800 as economically useful,

00:19:33.960 it's very bad

00:19:35.020 at integrating them

00:19:35.800 because sort of the,

00:19:37.300 the machines of our system

00:19:39.920 see no point in engaging them.

00:19:41.820 And I think that that's also

00:19:43.000 what you see in Europe,

00:19:43.760 which is another reason

00:19:45.100 why high-skilled immigration

00:19:47.380 makes so much sense.

00:19:49.400 Yeah.

00:19:49.720 Because it allows people

00:19:51.220 to come in

00:19:52.780 who will integrate.

00:19:54.340 High-skilled immigrants

00:19:55.520 do integrate with the culture

00:19:57.660 within two generations.

00:19:58.900 Well, and I guess that also,

00:19:59.920 it goes both ways

00:20:00.840 with my value system, right?

00:20:02.700 Like immigration, 0.99

00:20:04.220 but I only like it

00:20:05.200 if it's with cultures

00:20:06.400 that are willing to play ball,

00:20:07.920 cultures that are willing

00:20:08.760 to mix and match

00:20:10.580 and assimilate

00:20:11.560 and interact, right?

00:20:13.460 Like I'm not,

00:20:14.680 I wouldn't see any benefit.

00:20:15.900 The problem is that

00:20:16.540 as an immigration policy,

00:20:18.200 well, that would freak out progressives,

00:20:19.860 is that something

00:20:20.500 you can measure, right?

00:20:21.480 And you can say,

00:20:22.060 okay, well,

00:20:23.140 this cultural group

00:20:24.140 seems really bad

00:20:25.180 at integrating,

00:20:26.540 therefore we'll put restrictions

00:20:27.940 on this cultural group

00:20:29.500 immigrating to our country.

00:20:30.940 And now all of a sudden

00:20:31.800 they're like,

00:20:32.240 well, that's a race

00:20:33.440 or a cultural limitation

00:20:34.980 on who can immigrate

00:20:36.260 to your country.

00:20:37.080 Right.

00:20:37.520 And so they freak out about that.

00:20:39.100 But I really don't think

00:20:40.400 that that's a bad system

00:20:41.680 to just look objectively,

00:20:44.400 which,

00:20:44.480 but actually I don't even think

00:20:45.460 it's a good system.

00:20:46.100 Okay, I'm going to take that back.

00:20:47.180 I don't think it's a good system

00:20:48.360 because I think that

00:20:50.240 across cultural groups,

00:20:51.860 really the thing

00:20:52.840 that protects groups

00:20:54.100 from integrating

00:20:55.000 is wealth.

00:20:57.360 If low wealth groups

00:20:58.680 across groups

00:20:59.640 don't integrate very well,

00:21:01.260 high wealth groups

00:21:02.180 across groups

00:21:03.020 integrate very well.

00:21:04.280 So if you are,

00:21:06.100 if you do make this

00:21:07.760 a skill-based thing

00:21:09.160 and you can even set up systems

00:21:11.280 so people can say,

00:21:11.960 well, this isn't open to everyone.

00:21:13.380 Well, then you can set up

00:21:14.400 if you really want

00:21:15.560 to screw over

00:21:16.100 other countries, right?

00:21:17.520 You set up like

00:21:18.440 online training things

00:21:19.700 like online universities

00:21:20.920 and you make them free.

00:21:22.420 So the U.S. government

00:21:23.120 can host this

00:21:23.700 like an online university.

00:21:24.940 And then the top 5%

00:21:26.520 of students

00:21:26.980 from all over the world

00:21:27.920 get automatic citizenship.

00:21:29.720 So you can deploy this,

00:21:31.460 especially in countries

00:21:32.180 you really don't like.

00:21:33.320 And then just

00:21:33.940 it was in like five,

00:21:35.460 no, just like brain drain,

00:21:37.120 brain drain, brain drain. 0.99

00:21:38.060 That is a dick move, 0.99

00:21:39.600 but I also love it. 0.99

00:21:41.040 No, and all of a sudden,

00:21:42.080 not only is their economy

00:21:43.620 like not able to function

00:21:45.080 at a basic level,

00:21:46.500 but like you've taken away

00:21:48.080 all of their industrial capacity,

00:21:50.200 all of their competence.

00:21:51.460 No, but this is something you-

00:21:52.480 I mean, it's a great offensive maneuver.

00:21:54.300 It's wonderful.

00:21:55.720 Well, yeah,

00:21:56.140 you can do it between generations.

00:21:57.820 So you're getting people,

00:21:59.320 like this is the way you do it

00:22:00.720 so it's not just open to people

00:22:02.200 because you're talking

00:22:02.840 with some of these countries,

00:22:03.820 like you talk about

00:22:04.420 block countries, right?

00:22:05.800 Like a lot of these countries,

00:22:07.260 the people who are in charge

00:22:08.060 are just the people

00:22:08.540 whose families have been

00:22:09.220 in charge for a long time, right?

00:22:10.580 Like people haven't been

00:22:11.400 given a fair shot.

00:22:12.580 So you come in there

00:22:13.700 with a meritocratic system

00:22:14.900 and you start siphoning off

00:22:16.600 all of the actually talented

00:22:18.160 and motivated people,

00:22:19.500 you can crush anyone you don't like.

00:22:22.780 Dating, devastating. 0.97

00:22:24.180 Yeah.

00:22:25.380 I love that idea.

00:22:27.180 Yeah, it's a fun,

00:22:28.800 I mean, it's a difficult,

00:22:31.500 it's a difficult subject

00:22:32.660 because I think also

00:22:33.620 a lot of it gets mixed with,

00:22:35.260 and we've totally not talked about this,

00:22:37.220 but like refugee populations 0.92

00:22:38.820 and all that.

00:22:40.480 And I think it's difficult.

00:22:41.360 I don't think you should allow immigrants 1.00

00:22:42.560 from those populations at all.

00:22:44.720 Where should refugees go? 1.00

00:22:47.200 I don't think it's,

00:22:49.240 we should strive to create a world

00:22:51.360 where every country

00:22:52.160 is prosperous and peaceful.

00:22:53.760 Yeah.

00:22:53.980 But I do not think

00:22:55.000 that we benefit from letting,

00:22:57.320 if you look at,

00:22:58.560 and you look at this

00:22:59.240 in some countries,

00:22:59.860 where like a huge portion

00:23:00.580 of the immigrant population

00:23:01.340 just goes directly on

00:23:03.280 to social security,

00:23:04.700 just goes directly on

00:23:06.200 to government pay.

00:23:07.920 And it doesn't help,

00:23:09.000 it doesn't seem to help

00:23:09.840 anyone involved.

00:23:11.380 No, it's not,

00:23:12.280 it's not fixing anything.

00:23:13.900 Okay.

00:23:14.860 We should be striving

00:23:16.360 to create a better world everywhere

00:23:17.740 while understanding

00:23:18.680 that some countries

00:23:19.460 are malicious actors.

00:23:20.600 And then through the system

00:23:21.880 I have described,

00:23:22.660 you can permanently

00:23:23.640 cripple those countries. 1.00

00:23:24.940 And I think it's a malicious system

00:23:26.700 if you put it into place.

00:23:27.480 I'm not saying it's the best system,

00:23:29.000 but what I'm saying,

00:23:29.880 a country has done something

00:23:30.740 really bad,

00:23:31.800 like China, 0.69

00:23:32.360 when they start going genocidal,

00:23:33.820 right?

00:23:35.160 Yeah, it might make sense

00:23:36.880 to implement a policy like this.

00:23:39.080 And, and I think you would see

00:23:40.660 really quickly how,

00:23:42.480 how fast these countries

00:23:43.580 would freak out

00:23:44.180 when you start siphoning

00:23:45.000 off their competent workforce.

00:23:46.840 Yeah.

00:23:47.380 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:23:48.420 But in regards to the,

00:23:49.860 the, the initial thing of this,

00:23:51.640 because there's this,

00:23:52.640 this strain in the U.S.,

00:23:54.520 which is, well,

00:23:55.020 we need to preserve,

00:23:55.940 like, I don't know,

00:23:57.060 traditional white culture

00:23:58.420 or something like that.

00:23:59.460 And it's, dude,

00:23:59.980 if your culture

00:24:00.880 in, in the new world order,

00:24:02.960 world order has been created.

00:24:05.580 It's not like somebody's out there

00:24:06.860 trying to create it.

00:24:07.600 It's over.

00:24:08.200 It's, it's the emergent

00:24:09.160 or world order of the internet.

00:24:10.980 If it can't survive

00:24:12.620 in the face of competition,

00:24:14.360 if it can't on its own

00:24:15.740 motivate reproduction,

00:24:17.280 it's just not a relevant

00:24:19.520 player anymore.

00:24:20.580 And I see no point

00:24:22.280 in saving these

00:24:23.240 weak cultural groups.

00:24:25.120 We need to find

00:24:26.200 variants of them

00:24:27.100 because in,

00:24:27.700 in order to maintain

00:24:28.860 the strengths of diversity,

00:24:30.200 we need to find

00:24:30.800 variants of them

00:24:31.900 that can stay alive.

00:24:33.300 But more broadly,

00:24:34.680 no, I don't,

00:24:35.200 I don't see the point

00:24:35.860 to save every family

00:24:37.120 in these cultural groups,

00:24:37.920 especially the ones

00:24:38.720 that are,

00:24:39.100 that are begging

00:24:40.080 for isolation.

00:24:41.440 Well, and I think there's no,

00:24:42.720 there's really no such thing

00:24:44.300 as an unchanging culture.

00:24:46.640 Like the cultures

00:24:47.640 that I think many people

00:24:48.500 think they're preserving,

00:24:49.460 the traditional cultures,

00:24:50.900 the inherited cultures

00:24:51.880 actually have changed

00:24:53.520 quite significantly

00:24:54.500 over the past.

00:24:56.020 Quite young, yeah.

00:24:57.120 Yeah, they're,

00:24:57.820 they're, they're fresh,

00:24:58.700 they're new.

00:24:59.140 This is not a brand new thing,

00:25:00.980 but it's also not

00:25:02.180 an ancient tradition.

00:25:03.320 It is going to change naturally.

00:25:04.860 So kind of like

00:25:06.140 with our argument

00:25:06.780 on life extension,

00:25:07.720 there is no such thing

00:25:09.020 as a continuous culture,

00:25:10.400 even if you leave it

00:25:11.400 in isolation

00:25:12.080 over a hundred years,

00:25:13.720 just like there's

00:25:14.320 no such thing

00:25:14.780 as a continuous consciousness

00:25:16.000 or biological human

00:25:17.960 over a hundred years.

00:25:19.860 So rather than trying

00:25:21.720 to hold on to something

00:25:22.580 that's utterly impossible,

00:25:24.180 why don't you have fun

00:25:25.200 with mixing,

00:25:25.900 matching,

00:25:26.120 forking,

00:25:26.740 iterating and improving

00:25:28.060 in, in a way

00:25:29.120 that helps everyone

00:25:30.000 and that makes

00:25:30.940 all groups stronger.

00:25:33.520 Anyway, this was fun.

00:25:34.320 I think to really point,

00:25:35.600 I mean, if we're talking

00:25:36.380 about like the,

00:25:37.060 the elephant in the room,

00:25:38.960 when people are like,

00:25:39.940 well, Western white culture,

00:25:42.200 right?

00:25:42.400 Like that's what

00:25:43.060 I want to preserve.

00:25:43.720 And it's like,

00:25:43.960 do you think that that,

00:25:44.740 that what you think of

00:25:45.820 as today is Western white culture

00:25:47.300 is anything close

00:25:48.120 to what it was

00:25:48.780 500 years ago?

00:25:50.740 No, seriously.

00:25:51.440 No, no.

00:25:52.560 They are wildly

00:25:54.160 more different

00:25:54.780 from each other

00:25:55.500 than they are

00:25:56.480 from Hispanic

00:25:57.760 immigrant populations,

00:25:59.000 from American

00:26:00.660 black populations.

00:26:02.100 Like you, 0.96

00:26:03.380 you have changed

00:26:04.520 so much.

00:26:05.660 What you mean

00:26:06.480 by historic

00:26:07.460 white culture 0.78

00:26:08.060 often 0.99

00:26:08.480 is a lie

00:26:10.360 that was never

00:26:11.180 really that common

00:26:12.060 that was sold

00:26:13.040 to you

00:26:13.520 by the Hollywood elite

00:26:14.920 who was in power

00:26:15.840 in the 1950s.

00:26:17.060 That was never

00:26:18.220 a dominant cultural group

00:26:19.320 in this country.

00:26:19.860 It has always

00:26:21.060 been a fabrication

00:26:21.960 sold to you

00:26:22.880 by the Hollywood elites

00:26:23.860 and you believe them

00:26:25.160 because what?

00:26:25.800 They were the Hollywood elites

00:26:27.020 for 50 years ago?

00:26:28.260 So,

00:26:28.520 so those Hollywood elites

00:26:29.880 were so different

00:26:31.120 from today's Hollywood elites?

00:26:32.660 They had no

00:26:33.700 mischievous intentions,

00:26:36.080 no malintentions

00:26:37.760 on,

00:26:38.060 on,

00:26:38.300 on disrupting

00:26:39.280 your cultural group?

00:26:41.160 Of course they did.

00:26:42.320 Of course they did.

00:26:43.220 They don't care about you.

00:26:44.620 They were trying

00:26:45.020 to sell stuff.

00:26:45.940 I feel somewhat similarly

00:26:47.760 about,

00:26:49.040 for example,

00:26:49.940 Bronze Age mindset.

00:26:51.000 It's a lovely fantasy

00:26:51.920 but it,

00:26:53.140 if you actually

00:26:53.740 went back

00:26:54.180 to the Bronze Age

00:26:54.960 and existed

00:26:55.440 even as a

00:26:56.500 super strong

00:26:58.120 alpha male type,

00:27:00.020 you probably

00:27:00.820 would want to go

00:27:01.740 back to today

00:27:02.580 real fast,

00:27:03.820 like even as,

00:27:04.740 as an incel dude.

00:27:06.220 So,

00:27:06.720 I don't know.

00:27:08.380 I,

00:27:08.700 I think

00:27:09.200 it's fun to have fantasies.

00:27:10.880 I'm all for

00:27:11.420 indulging in them

00:27:12.240 but we need to,

00:27:13.540 we need to be realistic.

00:27:14.980 But yeah,

00:27:15.180 anyway,

00:27:15.600 I love talking

00:27:16.140 with you Malcolm.

00:27:16.760 This was really fun.

00:27:17.680 Looking forward

00:27:18.140 to our next conversation.

00:27:19.100 These are like our dates.

00:27:20.200 They're so great.

00:27:21.280 I love spending time

00:27:22.020 with you.

00:27:22.460 But everything's a date.

00:27:23.380 Dropping off the kids

00:27:24.100 at daycare is a date.

00:27:25.100 Doing our taxes

00:27:25.760 is a date.

00:27:25.860 I find them really engaging

00:27:26.980 and I get excited

00:27:27.700 about them

00:27:28.080 and I get excited

00:27:28.740 seeing how people

00:27:29.640 are going to react to them.

00:27:30.460 That's,

00:27:30.640 that's one of my favorite

00:27:31.340 things.

00:27:31.880 Through you of course.

00:27:32.780 I,

00:27:33.040 I can't deal,

00:27:33.820 I can barely deal

00:27:34.960 with reading the comments

00:27:35.660 myself but

00:27:36.280 through you.

00:27:37.700 You know how we talk

00:27:38.460 about like offense

00:27:39.260 and I'm like,

00:27:40.440 oh yeah,

00:27:40.780 if somebody was like 1.00

00:27:41.380 Malcolm you're dumb 1.00

00:27:42.080 that wouldn't 1.00

00:27:42.500 really offend me.

00:27:43.460 If somebody was like 0.97

00:27:44.480 Malcolm you're fat 0.98

00:27:45.400 that wouldn't offend me. 0.97

00:27:46.420 One comment we see

00:27:47.340 regularly that I like,

00:27:48.620 oh my god,

00:27:49.580 they're so right.

00:27:50.420 Like I hate this

00:27:51.060 about myself.

00:27:51.860 You talk over people Malcolm

00:27:53.140 and I'm like,

00:27:54.620 that's how you really

00:27:55.540 get someone.

00:27:56.080 If you say something

00:27:57.120 that makes them

00:27:57.900 question their self-identity

00:27:59.000 and they know

00:27:59.580 it's probably true

00:28:00.360 because when I read that

00:28:01.220 oh,

00:28:01.540 it's just crippling

00:28:02.220 because I'm like,

00:28:02.720 I really don't want

00:28:04.300 to be that kind

00:28:04.800 of a person

00:28:05.260 but I am.

00:28:06.740 So give us your

00:28:07.580 brutal,

00:28:08.320 constructive,

00:28:09.120 realistic criticism

00:28:10.300 because that's how

00:28:12.140 you really twist

00:28:12.840 the knife friends.

00:28:14.080 That's how you do it.

00:28:16.400 Love you all.

00:28:17.140 Bye.

Based Camp - August 10, 2023

Based Camp： Even White Supremacists are Stupid to Support White Nationalism

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