Based Camp - June 27, 2023


Based Camp： How Sexuality Really Works

Topics
Geert Wilders audio vore fetish
Hosted by
Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
Mentioned
James Joyce Kinsey Simone Marilyn Monroe Marie Antoinette Diana Fleischman Betty Boop Boba Fett I. Okay Bridgerton Malcolm Borg Grey
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31 minutes

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22

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21

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In this episode, we talk about the science behind why disgust is the most arousing thing in the world, and why it's only found in gay males and females. We also talk about why porn is so arousing and why we should all be obsessed with it.

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00:00:00.000 The Kinsey spectrum is just completely nonsense.
00:00:02.500 It is a really bad mechanism for understanding arousal patterns.
00:00:05.700 The way arousal patterns should really be thought of is as individual arousal to disgust
00:00:13.700 spectrums for specific visual, auditory, or conceptual stimuli.
00:00:19.880 So what do we mean by this?
00:00:20.880 Because a lot of people are like, what?
00:00:22.020 Disgust isn't part of your sexuality.
00:00:23.540 But if you think about it, what happens when you're aroused by something?
00:00:26.800 You look at it longer.
00:00:28.280 Your eyes dilate.
00:00:30.540 People often take a breath in.
00:00:33.020 What happens when you're disgusted by something?
00:00:34.460 Your pupils contract.
00:00:35.940 You instinctively look away from it.
00:00:37.660 You hold your breath.
00:00:38.900 These sound like exactly mirroring reactions, almost as if they're the same system with a
00:00:44.620 negative modifier applied to it.
00:00:46.580 And then when we started mapping from our data all of the arousal and disgust things that
00:00:51.940 people have, what we realized pretty quickly is something you would find is anything that
00:00:58.100 disgusted a portion of the population would arouse a corresponding smaller portion of the
00:01:04.320 population.
00:01:04.660 So what it seems we have here is that some part of the developmental life cycle, and this
00:01:17.760 happens much more in males.
00:01:19.040 And this is where another interesting thing happens that you regularly see in gay males, which you 0.88
00:01:24.900 don't see as much in gay females, and is a very interesting thing to explore and was one of our sort of
00:01:30.540 hints in this, is in gay males, you will often hear active disgust towards certain female visual
00:01:39.600 stimuli or physical or conceptual stimuli that we associate with women. 1.00
00:01:43.220 And so the question is, well, that's weird.
00:01:46.680 Why would they begin to develop disgust around that when you don't see that in lesbian communities? 1.00
00:01:51.520 So what our data actually showed is if you look at men, like anyone would expect, the predominantly 0.71
00:01:57.500 arousing thing is the naked form of either males or females.
00:02:03.820 But if you look at females, what we actually found is that is not the most arousing thing. 1.00
00:02:09.160 It's a close second, but it's not the most arousing thing.
00:02:12.600 The most arousing thing was submission or dominance.
00:02:15.940 And so what we pointed out there is even the concept of gay or straight, even the concept
00:02:20.260 that our sexualities should be primarily defined by male or female predominant attraction is
00:02:28.860 misogynistic.
00:02:29.980 Because had women invented the field of sexuality research, they likely would have defined our 1.00
00:02:37.080 sexuality as being predominantly dominance or submission based instead of male or female
00:02:42.860 based.
00:02:43.820 And that the only reason why this wasn't caught earlier is because the field is so dominated
00:02:48.540 by identity politics that people can't say, well, let's pretend like gay straight is just 0.56
00:02:52.900 like not an important dichotomy and look at just like the data.
00:02:57.500 Like what are the core things that are arousing different populations?
00:03:00.940 Would you like to know more?
00:03:02.340 Hello, gorgeous.
00:03:03.480 Hello, Simone. 0.69
00:03:04.380 How's it going today?
00:03:05.240 Really good.
00:03:07.160 Should I share one of my dirty little secrets with our followers?
00:03:12.060 I think they find it a very fun and weird hobby to have.
00:03:17.140 Right.
00:03:17.540 Yeah.
00:03:17.880 So whereas other people like research World War II history or learn how to knit, collect
00:03:22.840 Barbies, I like to explore NSFW subreddits and try to figure out why exactly weird things
00:03:30.760 seem to arouse people because I really don't get it.
00:03:34.980 I'm largely asexual.
00:03:36.460 So like this is fascinating to me.
00:03:37.900 I feel like I'm an alien exploring another planet and it's amazing.
00:03:43.400 And I thought I thought I'd seen every subreddit that it was NSFW.
00:03:47.260 I thought I knew everything, even the really weird things like Sharpies and anuses.
00:03:50.580 Like, you know, I thought I'd seen it all.
00:03:52.460 And then I'm at this one late night dinner and, and someone brings up gone wild audio.
00:03:58.140 And I guess I never checked it out as a subreddit and NSFW subreddit.
00:04:02.560 It sounds boring.
00:04:03.060 Yeah.
00:04:03.520 It sounds boring.
00:04:04.420 It just sounds like, I don't know, people telling sexy stories.
00:04:07.900 And so I'm like, this is lame.
00:04:09.660 Not going to, and like, who wants to like sit down and listen to something, you know,
00:04:12.700 when, when, you know, you're like idly exploring stuff online.
00:04:15.560 And so it, it just said like, this person was like, yeah, gone wild audio.
00:04:21.580 Like I discovered I could orgasm without, without anything or anyone touching me, uh,
00:04:28.580 listening to this stuff.
00:04:29.420 And I'm like, okay, so what, uh, like what?
00:04:32.440 So immediately I go, I go and I, I, I like dive down this rabbit hole and I am, my mind
00:04:40.600 is blown because it is, it's like taking a theme park ride, you know, those haunted house
00:04:46.480 rides where you're like on a little track and you're like going to a haunted house and
00:04:49.360 like, like things are like coming out at you.
00:04:51.700 It's like doing that.
00:04:53.260 You're like putting yourself into the body of someone who's having some kind of arousing
00:04:59.100 experience, but these aren't the experiences you would think necessarily.
00:05:02.860 So like, obviously the really popular recordings that have gotten the most upvotes in all time
00:05:07.160 and stuff, cause the great way of exploring, you know, weird things on NSFW is to both
00:05:12.520 see like, what is the most popular and what gets the most votes for all time, but also
00:05:17.300 like what's trending, like what weird niche things are, what's controversial.
00:05:20.260 So obviously like the vanilla ones are, you know, typically very like mainstream kind of
00:05:25.900 vanilla plots, but like the weird ones are like, you are being assimilated into the Borg
00:05:33.220 and like, you know, you're listening to this audio clip and like you, the listener are
00:05:38.120 like going in some, into some kind of machine and it's like, beep, boop, beep, boop.
00:05:42.680 You are being assimilated. 0.57
00:05:44.100 And it's just, it's just like, what is happening to me?
00:05:49.020 That was a deep cut.
00:05:49.920 I, but I went deep cause there are all these different tags.
00:05:52.360 Like you can look, you in, in gone wild audio, you can do M4F, F4M, M4A.
00:05:58.680 So you're getting a male voice for all audiences, a female voice for male, et cetera.
00:06:02.640 So like, they have, of course, like lots of tags, like rape, non-consent, incest, like
00:06:08.360 fantasy, sci-fi, Star Wars.
00:06:11.240 There was, there was a recently like a Boba Fett sort of themed one.
00:06:15.220 And like, this is just so nerdy.
00:06:16.780 This is amazing.
00:06:17.940 So this is elated.
00:06:19.560 Like we were talking about it.
00:06:20.460 Somebody is like, oh, you guys should do an episode that's like just on fetishes people
00:06:24.260 have.
00:06:24.640 And the reason why we wrote a book on sexuality, the Fragmentist Guide to Sexuality, the reason
00:06:30.100 why we're so interested in fetishes more generally, especially fetishes that are unmoored from
00:06:35.440 reality.
00:06:36.640 So one is, is, you know, audio, but then another you can look at as like hentai sites and stuff
00:06:42.220 like that.
00:06:42.940 And in both of these instances, what you're looking at is turn ons for people that are
00:06:49.280 unmoored from any constraints of reality.
00:06:53.660 And when you see something that is very odd happening across populations, especially
00:07:00.780 across cultures, and then especially if you see it happening over and over again, historically,
00:07:06.300 which is really interesting, what you're seeing there is something like an evolutionary scar
00:07:12.600 in our psyche.
00:07:13.560 By that, what I mean is at some point there was some really weird evolutionary pressure
00:07:19.260 or evolution was using our psychological systems in an odd way that reveals deeper and truer
00:07:27.960 underpinnings about how our brain is programmed.
00:07:32.640 So you look across cultures, you look across websites, you will see vore, which is often talked
00:07:37.120 about online, like somebody eating somebody else or like something eating something else.
00:07:41.460 Yeah, as in like carnivore.
00:07:43.580 Yeah.
00:07:44.100 This is like a persistently common fetish that like has nothing to do with breeding.
00:07:50.620 And yet in the US, if you look at our survey on this, and you can contrast those other surveys,
00:07:55.420 so the numbers are about equal, it looks like the number of people who are into this is larger
00:07:59.520 than the number of people who live in the state of Massachusetts, which is like, I forgot,
00:08:03.500 like the fourth most populated state or something.
00:08:05.440 And also, I don't think it's a new thing, because in the movie Gentlemen Prefer Blondes 0.89
00:08:11.900 with Marilyn Monroe, there's this one scene in which Marilyn Monroe describes a somewhat
00:08:16.820 sexy encounter she has with the owner of a diamond mine, where he was pretending to be
00:08:22.040 a python and she was pretending to be the goat. 0.88
00:08:25.240 And that is so boring.
00:08:26.960 Like, more role play.
00:08:28.460 When did this come out?
00:08:30.600 Oh, like late 50s, 60s.
00:08:32.980 But certainly before the internet.
00:08:34.140 Oh, yeah, way pre-internet, way pre like any sort of mainstream.
00:08:38.720 No, wait, another interesting thing is people often think of as like hentai being a modern
00:08:42.420 thing.
00:08:42.720 But if you look at Tijuana Bibles or Tilly Mac books, these were common in like the 1920s
00:08:48.180 and they were sold under the table at newspaper stands and like some other types of places.
00:08:52.820 And they would have like Betty Boop porn and they'd have- 0.99
00:08:56.660 So isn't that like what, that's Rule 34?
00:08:58.500 It's like basically Rule 34.
00:08:59.960 Yeah, like Rule 34 is really old.
00:09:01.580 And I would actually bet if you go back historically to like ancient Greek times, you probably would
00:09:07.220 have found, you know, similar sorts of-
00:09:09.860 You can even see political cartoons really early and I'm sure even earlier, but around
00:09:14.060 the French Revolution where they have illustrations of like Marie Antoinette and her primary ladies
00:09:18.720 in waiting doing raunchy and naughty things.
00:09:21.100 Obviously some of that was political commentary and slander, but a lot of it was also like,
00:09:27.140 and these are women doing sexy things and people enjoy looking at images of that, you know? 0.98
00:09:31.940 Well, you know, it sells, right?
00:09:33.500 So I think that a lot of people view, you know, a lot of our weird stuff today as being like
00:09:39.160 modern degeneracy.
00:09:40.700 Oh, another great one was, we have this in our book. 0.98
00:09:43.040 Who's the Irish author who was really into fart porn? 0.98
00:09:47.480 Oh gosh. 0.97
00:09:48.480 It wasn't James Joyce, was it?
00:09:50.400 I think it was James Joyce.
00:09:51.640 Yeah.
00:09:51.960 I want to say it was James Joyce.
00:09:53.420 Yeah.
00:09:53.600 Hold on.
00:09:54.080 You're going to read it?
00:09:55.160 You're going to- 1.00
00:09:56.040 I gave you a bigger, stronger F than usual fat, dirty farts came sputtering out of your 1.00
00:10:01.480 backside. 1.00
00:10:02.440 You had an ass full of farts that night, darling, and I F'd them out of you. 1.00
00:10:07.100 Big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks, and a lot of tiny little naughty 1.00
00:10:13.420 farties ending in long gush from your hole. 0.98
00:10:17.220 And he just goes on and on, paragraph after paragraph about farts.
00:10:22.600 And this is something that I think today we think of as like a modern degeneracy.
00:10:26.040 And the larger point here, or you look at like BDSM, this used to be called the English
00:10:31.520 vice.
00:10:32.600 It was so common.
00:10:33.960 And the assumption was that it was caused by school teachers spanking school kids with
00:10:38.860 paddles.
00:10:40.460 Hot.
00:10:40.620 That's hot.
00:10:41.400 I don't know.
00:10:42.120 I hear that passage and all I can think is, here's this woman who really cares about James 0.97
00:10:47.920 Joyce or is very incentivized for him to stay with her, who's like, I don't know, he's
00:10:53.900 coming over that night.
00:10:54.580 She's like shoving beans and she's like, okay, how to like, trying to hold it in the 0.99
00:10:58.700 right way to give him the right variation of farts.
00:11:00.620 Like, I'm just thinking, how's this woman pulling this off? 1.00
00:11:02.740 Because I'm thinking about this, like, clearly elongated lovemaking scene. 0.90
00:11:06.060 Isn't that the logistics of how this probably like prostitute keeps him interested? 0.99
00:11:10.720 Well, this is honestly like what I think about as I go through like NSFW subreddits.
00:11:16.440 I'm like, wow, like where, where do they get the diapers?
00:11:19.400 You know, like, where, like, where did they source that really weird whip?
00:11:22.200 Like, how are they handling, like, how are they managing their energy over this five hour
00:11:25.780 session?
00:11:26.460 Like, what kind of antibiotics are they on right now?
00:11:29.040 All these sorts of things.
00:11:30.000 Like, these are really interesting things to me.
00:11:31.960 And I.
00:11:32.360 Okay.
00:11:32.800 So now to the question at hand.
00:11:34.720 So what is probably really going on with all of this?
00:11:38.020 And there were two, you know, one of the first things we really noticed from our book is when
00:11:42.140 we contrasted our research with existing research.
00:11:45.160 One of the things that we added to the research that we were looking at was not just the consumption
00:11:50.860 of drawn pornographic material, but romance novels and fan fiction.
00:11:56.060 Because that's the real stuff right there.
00:11:58.260 Yeah.
00:11:58.460 All of a sudden, women and men stopped looking as different in the data.
00:12:03.360 Began to see about equal amounts of pornographic consumption in terms of the diversity of the
00:12:09.460 consumption, not in terms of the diversity.
00:12:11.620 Well, the great thing about that, too, for women, I feel like women just like, one, they're
00:12:15.520 super pervy.
00:12:16.380 And two, it's totally like, just like, it's not fair how like acceptable their erotic material
00:12:22.340 is.
00:12:22.860 You know, we're not paying for a very, like a raunchy site subscription as a family.
00:12:28.220 Like, we'll pay for a Netflix subscription and Bridgerton is sitting on that.
00:12:31.160 And it's like, that's totally like, you know, you know, it's...
00:12:33.780 I mean, we live in a world where Fifty Shades of Grey was like the best selling book in the
00:12:37.520 world for a long time. 0.99
00:12:39.460 And this was just like kinky female porn. 1.00
00:12:43.420 But anyway, but I mean, that's a weird thing. 0.99
00:12:45.520 Why do women like that? 1.00
00:12:46.700 Why do they like being put in these scenarios?
00:12:48.340 So that was one we already did.
00:12:49.980 So if you're interested in why women or men like submissiveness, we have covered that in
00:12:55.300 a lot of detail in the interview with Diana Fleischman that we did.
00:12:59.860 But what I want to cover is how human sexuality works more broadly now that we've done this
00:13:04.120 fun intro thing here.
00:13:06.160 So when we were looking at things, the point I was making on the Vore thing that I wanted
00:13:10.100 to get to is you will see weird turn-ons like that, or like a category of porn where like
00:13:16.460 people get stuck in mud, right?
00:13:18.620 But then there's other big categories where you will see almost no porn, like people catching
00:13:24.020 on fire or falling off high locations.
00:13:27.080 Yeah, never seen that.
00:13:28.280 Yeah, these are things we have like visceral fears of or emotions around.
00:13:31.880 So like, why are you seeing it in some areas and not others?
00:13:35.160 Because I think some people think either one, this is a new thing, two, this is a thing
00:13:41.920 that's just anything can turn people on.
00:13:44.900 And three, it's a sign of our current moral degeneracy.
00:13:47.960 And yes, that may have added to it.
00:13:49.660 Yes, the internet may have added to it.
00:13:51.060 But all of these things existed before the internet, or a lot of them existed before the
00:13:54.140 internet.
00:13:54.420 So what's really going on here?
00:13:56.620 So the first in sort of understanding our arousal spectrum is the Kinsey spectrum is just
00:14:02.320 completely nonsense.
00:14:03.220 It is a really bad mechanism for understanding arousal patterns.
00:14:07.060 The way arousal patterns should really be thought of is as individual arousal to disgust
00:14:14.480 spectrums for specific visual, auditory, or conceptual stimuli.
00:14:20.960 So a lot of people may say something like, oh, males are one stimuli.
00:14:25.780 So it's like males to females, how much are you?
00:14:27.440 But that's not really it.
00:14:28.700 If you look at straight males, one of the things we found in our survey is like a huge portion 1.00
00:14:33.100 of them are turned off by the sight of a vagina, but turned on by the sight of a penis. 0.99
00:14:38.360 So this is like a quarter of them. 1.00
00:14:39.920 Yet they are turned on by the concept of a woman, the silhouette of a woman, breasts, 0.99
00:14:45.680 butt, and a female everything else. 1.00
00:14:48.000 So what you're seeing there is, okay, so let's talk about primary and secondary sex characteristics. 0.96
00:14:51.740 Primary sex characteristics are really just the stuff you use to reproduce, i.e.
00:14:56.360 the stuff below the belt.
00:14:58.100 Secondary sex characteristics are things that are useful, like after reproductions, it might 0.94
00:15:02.580 be a guy being larger, having rougher hands, bigger hands, it's female breasts. 1.00
00:15:08.580 These two systems for arousal actually seem disconnected for each other, given how frequently
00:15:13.660 they uncouple in terms of the populations we were looking at.
00:15:17.200 So to even talk about arousal patterns to males, arousal patterns to females is wrong.
00:15:22.240 This is likely why you see things like quote unquote futa porn being so common, because
00:15:27.440 that's appealing to this portion of the otherwise straight male demographic who is interested
00:15:32.040 in this sort of weird combination of parts that you don't see that often in nature.
00:15:37.760 And then you have to get to why that's happening, which we'll get to in a bit.
00:15:41.260 But anyway, so we talk about individual stimuli.
00:15:43.460 Now one could be like the concept of being eaten or the concept of farting or some set of
00:15:49.640 visual stimuli, like a large breasts or something like that, or secondary sex characteristics 0.53
00:15:53.860 of a specific nature.
00:15:55.340 And then we say these exist on an arousal to disgust metric.
00:15:58.980 So what do we mean by this?
00:16:00.040 Because a lot of people are like, what?
00:16:01.200 Disgust isn't part of your sexuality.
00:16:02.580 But if you think about it, what happens when you're aroused by something?
00:16:05.940 You look at it longer.
00:16:07.420 Your eyes dilate.
00:16:08.880 People often take a breath in.
00:16:11.300 What happens when you're disgusted by something?
00:16:12.800 Your pupils contract.
00:16:14.160 You instinctively look away from it.
00:16:15.880 You hold your breath.
00:16:16.800 These sound like exactly mirroring reactions, almost as if they're the same system with a
00:16:22.880 negative modifier applied to it.
00:16:24.860 And then when we started mapping from our data, all of the arousal and disgust things that
00:16:30.200 people have, what we realized pretty quickly is something you would find is anything that
00:16:36.360 disgusted a portion of the population would arouse a corresponding smaller portion of the
00:16:42.580 population and anything that aroused a portion of the population would disgust another smaller
00:16:48.720 portion of the population.
00:16:50.860 So what it seems we have here is that some part of the developmental life cycle, and this
00:16:56.020 happens much more in males, this sort of flip sign in the data, something that's supposed
00:17:01.100 to disgust you turns out to arouse you.
00:17:04.180 So this is why you get like, there's a category of arousal and arousing things called like creepy
00:17:09.760 crawlers where people have like insects poured on them. 0.70
00:17:12.280 But then you also have stuff like, you know, feces being poured on someone and stuff like
00:17:16.080 that.
00:17:16.240 All of these random disgusting things.
00:17:18.600 And so what we think is happening there is you have this disgust modifier. 0.91
00:17:22.660 And this is where another interesting thing happens that you regularly see in gay males, which 0.99
00:17:28.400 you don't see as much in gay females, and is a very interesting thing to explore.
00:17:33.300 It was one of our sort of hints in this is in gay males, you will often hear active disgust
00:17:40.120 towards certain female visual stimuli or physical or conceptual stimuli that we associate with
00:17:46.640 women. 0.81
00:17:47.560 And so the question is, well, that's weird.
00:17:50.120 Why would they begin to develop disgust around that when you don't actually see that in lesbian 1.00
00:17:55.020 communities as often?
00:17:56.380 This is something we also don't see in straight female populations. 1.00
00:18:00.980 So gay males sexuality does not look like straight female sexuality, but more like a mirror of 0.94
00:18:09.020 straight male sexuality, where you also see this disgust reaction, but to male associated stimuli.
00:18:15.240 And what we suspect is going on here is something during the developmental life cycle in males
00:18:21.000 determines their primary gender of attraction and then starts applying negative modifiers
00:18:25.560 to other things.
00:18:26.800 But this process is why in males more than females, because there's already this negative modifier
00:18:32.460 process.
00:18:33.540 What it's actually doing is not applying to negative modifiers to things.
00:18:37.820 It's basically multiplying pathways by a negative one is what you can think of it as.
00:18:43.300 And it will sometimes turn arousal pathways to disgust pathways and sometimes turn disgust
00:18:47.300 pathways to arousal pathways, because you see that phenomenon much more in males and females.
00:18:51.420 So this is just a broad understanding of how we see arousal.
00:18:54.840 Do you want to talk to any of the subjects here, Simone?
00:18:57.280 No, I just it resonates so much more.
00:19:00.080 Like, it's so odd to think that sex is limited.
00:19:03.580 I think one thing that you point out in our sexuality book that is useful for people to think
00:19:07.580 about is that I think men are more likely to be really sensitive to signs of gender.
00:19:15.880 And also men were the original ones doing this sexuality research and doing it from that
00:19:21.740 very male perspective without even thinking that things like romance novels would be considered
00:19:27.100 as erotic material.
00:19:28.100 And that could be one of the reasons why for so many years that was the paradigm for all this
00:19:34.360 research.
00:19:34.780 Yeah, I really love what you're saying here.
00:19:36.780 So what our data actually showed is if you look at men, like anyone would expect, the 0.72
00:19:41.900 predominantly arousing thing is the naked form of either males or females, right?
00:19:49.260 Like that is the normal thing that most arouses males if you look across the population.
00:19:53.660 But if you look at females, what we actually found is that is not the most arousing thing. 1.00
00:19:59.140 It's a close second, but it's not the most arousing thing.
00:20:02.460 The most arousing thing was submission or dominance.
00:20:05.840 And so what we pointed out there is even the concept of gay or straight, even the concept
00:20:10.180 that our sexualities should be primarily defined by male or female predominant attraction
00:20:17.520 is misogynistic.
00:20:19.900 Because had women invented the field of sexuality research, they likely would have defined our 1.00
00:20:27.000 sexuality as being predominantly dominance or submission-based instead of male or female-based.
00:20:33.720 And that the only reason why this wasn't caught earlier, that women focus on that more than they 1.00
00:20:38.280 focus on male or female, is because almost all of the early researchers in the space were male,
00:20:43.440 and they just weren't thinking like women.
00:20:45.460 And they were leaving out tons of data sources that would have immediately elucidated this,
00:20:50.340 as Simone pointed out.
00:20:51.360 And I find that really fascinating because I think it shows how nascent the field of research
00:20:57.140 here really is and how much is being ignored because the field is so dominated by identity
00:21:03.900 politics that people can't say, well, let's just throw out all of the identity politics.
00:21:07.900 Like, let's pretend like gay and straight is just like not an important dichotomy and look
00:21:12.660 at just like the data.
00:21:14.040 Like, what are the core things that are arousing different populations?
00:21:16.860 And then you start to be like, oh, so like in women, gender is less important than dominance 1.00
00:21:21.460 or submission.
00:21:22.600 Why isn't that a primary spectrum?
00:21:24.760 The reason, of course, being that people began to develop their identities around the rather
00:21:31.420 nascent concepts coming out of the field of sexuality a few decades ago.
00:21:37.140 And now if you update the research, if you update the academic consensus, then you are undermining
00:21:42.840 people's identities.
00:21:43.880 So you can't really update the consensus in academia anymore.
00:21:48.640 It is permanently canon wherever the field happened to be about 30 years ago.
00:21:55.400 And that is a big reason why the field of sexuality is just so backwards right now. 0.97
00:22:00.500 And that the only people really pushing forward sexuality research at the moment are people
00:22:06.000 like Ayla who are outside of the academic bureaucracy.
00:22:09.120 Side note before we go forwards, I realize I should probably explain what the Kinsey scale
00:22:15.320 is before I go on a tirade explaining why it's such a bad scale.
00:22:19.720 It basically posits that human sexuality can be predominantly thought of as existing on
00:22:24.300 a scale from gay to straight or female to male predominant attraction.
00:22:30.120 But even here, so let's talk about like our system versus the Kinsey spectrum, because I
00:22:34.260 think that this is a very useful thing to understand.
00:22:36.080 So if you boil down our system to its simplest level, the way you would think of it as is,
00:22:42.460 and we're using the Kinsey spectrum part of the system, arousal to females to disgust
00:22:49.220 to females, arousal to males to disgust to males.
00:22:51.840 And these are two different stimuli categories that have no tie to each other.
00:22:56.460 So two people could be all the way on arousal to both males and females.
00:23:00.660 Two people could be all the way to disgust on both males and females.
00:23:03.800 And two people could be all the way in the neutral to both males and females, right?
00:23:07.640 And the reason why this system is much more useful is within the Kinsey spectrum, you would
00:23:12.600 literally mark somebody who was exactly equal neutral to males and females, and who was
00:23:17.920 like neutral to males, but far disgust to females at exactly the same part of the spectrum
00:23:23.640 or disgust to females, disgust to males, neutral males, neutral females. 0.66
00:23:26.960 All of these people would be in the same part of this, this bar, even though there's their
00:23:31.020 actual sexual representations, they're wildly different.
00:23:34.460 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:23:36.080 And the other thing it helps elucidate is that disgust, if disgust is an inborn part of
00:23:42.420 our sexuality, if it is something that is large, or so saying sexuality is unchangeable is a
00:23:48.580 wrong thing.
00:23:49.220 You can, you know, in trans people, the predominant gender of attraction changes about 25% of the
00:23:53.820 time during hormone therapy.
00:23:54.960 So like, you can change what turns you on, but you can't change it like intentionally.
00:24:00.720 You can also change like how much you're turned on.
00:24:04.220 It's like rolling for loot in Diablo.
00:24:06.220 Like you can roll for loot, but you don't know exactly what you're going to get.
00:24:10.400 You can't like choose the outcome.
00:24:11.820 But the point here being is that if the things that are disgust to you don't, are things outside
00:24:18.300 of your control, right?
00:24:20.100 Well, then one of the problems we have is that when we feel this, this feeling of disgust
00:24:25.100 and we don't know why we're feeling it, one of the jumps to that most people have is this
00:24:30.240 thing must be immoral. 0.96
00:24:31.300 And this is something we see, you know, historically.
00:24:33.380 So you look at lepers, like people assume there was something immoral about them because
00:24:36.500 it created this feeling of disgust in people.
00:24:38.980 And the disgust was to stay away from this person who might get you a disease, you know, like
00:24:42.580 evolution was using that system.
00:24:43.940 But this is a big problem for arousal patterns because when we hear people with arousal patterns
00:24:48.960 that cause disgust in us, we often assume that there must be something immoral about
00:24:54.540 them.
00:24:54.800 And I think that it's very important to distinguish between consenting things happening between
00:25:00.560 adults so that in no way like it hurts their ability to reproduce in anything and things
00:25:05.320 that we should actually see as disgusting because of some sort of moral framework we hold other
00:25:13.160 than the just, this causes disgust in me, therefore it's immoral.
00:25:17.280 Yeah.
00:25:17.740 Yep.
00:25:18.020 Yep.
00:25:19.220 Yeah.
00:25:19.800 And just because something turns you on doesn't mean you think it's moral or good or that
00:25:23.940 you even like it or want it to happen with rape being a really big example that there's
00:25:28.160 a shocking number of people aroused by not, not role play, but real actual rape.
00:25:34.680 But we know this because we ask these questions in a role.
00:25:37.160 We ask rape, role play, and then we ask real rape.
00:25:40.220 And so we got like a huge, we knew this where there was no confusion in the survey, but yeah,
00:25:45.840 but that doesn't mean that they wanted it to happen to them.
00:25:47.880 And I think that's another really important thing.
00:25:50.020 Yeah.
00:25:50.360 It's not like people who, you know, experience it or people who actually did experience it
00:25:54.800 themselves and then found it arousing.
00:25:57.880 Like that doesn't mean they're okay with it.
00:25:59.420 That doesn't mean that they wanted it or asked for it or ever want it to happen again.
00:26:02.660 So I think it's just really important, but it goes both ways and, you know, in that you
00:26:08.020 may feel this instinctive desire to see someone who is aroused by something that you don't
00:26:13.760 morally accept to be themselves reprehensible, themselves bankrupt when really they have no
00:26:19.260 control over that.
00:26:20.240 Just because something turns someone on doesn't mean that they morally condone it.
00:26:24.300 And it also doesn't mean that they want that thing to happen by any stretch of the imagination.
00:26:28.840 So this has been the briefest of overviews of our sexuality research.
00:26:34.440 We didn't go into any of the weird side paths or anything like that.
00:26:37.460 We just went over like a broad spectrum of how we understand sexuality and we can go
00:26:41.760 deeper if people want us to go deeper in future videos, but I don't want to just have the
00:26:45.760 algorithm think of us as like a sexuality channel. 0.98
00:26:48.220 So let us know in the comments, if there's something else you want us to explore, and I
00:26:52.320 will leave you with this.
00:26:53.640 One of my favorite things about Gone Wild Audio and why it is probably my favorite NSFW
00:26:58.560 world on the internet is it really enables you to explore things that arouse other people
00:27:04.820 in a much more first person way.
00:27:06.640 So it's not like looking at an image and being like, I don't know what's going on here or
00:27:10.740 looking at a picture or a video and just not getting it.
00:27:13.780 You are, you know, if you close your eyes and like really try to put yourself in the position
00:27:18.680 of the way that the audio works is you as a listener are experiencing something like someone's
00:27:25.120 talking to you, things are happening.
00:27:26.520 There's often like sound effects.
00:27:28.320 It's like people go all out.
00:27:29.940 It's they put time into it.
00:27:31.200 I such deep respect for this.
00:27:33.480 And it really allows you to more empathetically experience someone going through whatever the
00:27:38.800 scenario is that turns them on.
00:27:40.560 And you may not like it will not arouse you if you're like listening to something is not
00:27:44.620 like part of your particular network of things that turns you on.
00:27:48.700 But it will I think it will help you just better understand other people and what other people
00:27:54.180 are turned on by, especially when you rank by what gets the most upvotes.
00:27:58.240 So and don't just do this for like if you're a woman, don't just do this for men targeting 1.00
00:28:04.080 women content.
00:28:05.300 Do this also for women targeting men content, because then you understand like what a large 0.95
00:28:09.740 number of men are turned on by like scenarios that really turn like it's just it's so good
00:28:13.240 at helping you understand other people's points of view.
00:28:15.800 So just if you do one thing, let this be your homework and enjoy.
00:28:20.460 And I just to add to what she's saying, because I think it's really interesting is is I think
00:28:25.880 what she's capturing there and the reason why she finds this so engaging is it's the one
00:28:31.880 aspect of other people that is hardest to empathize with.
00:28:34.940 Yeah, it is hardest to model the way that other people are fantasizing when something's
00:28:40.640 arousing them, because it is probably psychologically the largest area of differentiation between
00:28:46.600 humans.
00:28:47.440 And it's really hard watching like two or three or however many other people doing a
00:28:51.920 thing and to really empathize with them.
00:28:54.080 It's very different to this is as close as you can get to walking in their shoes to like
00:28:59.120 literally trying to embody their experience.
00:29:00.680 It's like going into someone else's body and loving it.
00:29:02.400 It's it's fun.
00:29:04.020 It's awesome.
00:29:04.780 Do it.
00:29:05.540 And I don't know if I say do it.
00:29:07.020 It sounds good.
00:29:07.540 I've never she's I think it's delightful how much she finds this engaging.
00:29:12.780 And you'll find your feet.
00:29:14.020 You're like your face will contort into the most massive cringes sometimes.
00:29:17.140 And sometimes you'll have to just I don't I don't that doesn't sound there's some there
00:29:21.200 are some portions I have to fast forward through.
00:29:23.020 I'm not going to say what because there's some there's some things that a lot of people really
00:29:26.260 like that like for me, extreme disgust response, extreme disgust response.
00:29:31.660 But again, like just it helps me understand like, oh, I am in the minority here.
00:29:37.120 Like I may think that everyone thinks this is gross.
00:29:39.340 I am super wrong.
00:29:40.280 And I've learned a lot from this.
00:29:41.540 Anyway, do it.
00:29:42.560 Malcolm, I love you.
00:29:43.460 This is really fun.
00:29:44.700 And I'm looking forward to our next conversation already.
00:29:47.320 Oops, you can see I froze there at the end.
00:29:50.040 So that's why you didn't have to sign off for me.
00:29:52.220 I would love people if they do like these sorts of topics to let us know in the comments
00:29:57.240 and we can do more videos like this, especially if there's specific areas of arousal that you
00:30:02.480 personally find really interesting.
00:30:04.100 One final little thing.
00:30:05.840 If anybody wants to help out with any part of this channel, whether it's to create some
00:30:10.660 sort of community group or to help edit shorts or manage a TikTok or something for us, we
00:30:17.700 would be really happy for the assistance.
00:30:20.500 And in regards to the group, if anybody does start a group or anyone has started a group,
00:30:25.020 because I know some people were talking about that in previous comments, please let us know
00:30:28.600 because we actually only post about half of the videos we make.
00:30:31.540 We do that to try to keep the quality really high.
00:30:33.820 So I'll sometimes go through a video and I'll just be like, eh, I don't know if this is good
00:30:37.980 enough for our watchers.
00:30:39.660 But, you know, it would be maybe fun to dump some of the ones that we don't publish in a
00:30:43.640 community like that.
00:30:44.520 And then if any of them get a lot of attention, then I can post them to the main channel.
00:30:48.220 This is probably far more work than I should be putting into a YouTube with less than 5,000
00:30:55.180 followers.
00:30:56.100 But I really appreciate the recent follower growth and the encouraging comments we've
00:31:01.740 been getting.
00:31:02.300 It means a lot to me and it keeps me motivated to try to make this a thing.