Based Camp - May 13, 2023


Based Camp： Revolutions, 4Chan, & Who Wins the Online Culture War

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Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
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Donald Trump Malcolm Simone Zuckerberg
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In this episode, Simone and I discuss the model for revolutions, and how it applies to online culture wars. We discuss the role of the economic and social elite in society, and why it is the most likely to lead to a revolution.

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00:00:00.720 Hello, Malcolm.
00:00:02.260 Hello, Simone! It's wonderful to be here with you today!
00:00:05.780 What are we talking about?
00:00:07.620 I believe we're talking about revolutions and the model for revolutions that you came up with the other day that surprised me.
00:00:17.320 You always accredit things to me. I don't know why, you know, but whatever.
00:00:20.720 Because you come up with all the ideas. I ask dumb questions sometimes, which is apparently helpful. 0.95
00:00:26.240 Well, this is in reference to the previous post, where I was saying it's actually very rarely the most downtrodden class in society that leads to any form of a revolution.
00:00:36.460 Actually, this is really interesting.
00:00:37.740 You can see this sort of across societies during colonial periods, where the colonies that would revolt first were often the wealthiest colonies, like the American colonies.
00:00:46.340 Where, like, the average citizen was taxed less than the average citizen in the UK was taxed at the same time period, when they were revolting over taxes without representation.
00:00:57.140 And, you know, I think that it's really interesting to look at, like, why revolutions happen.
00:01:03.320 And we sort of came up with a predictive model, which we want to apply to online communities, because I think it can tell us who's going to win the online culture war, and how groups can win the online culture war.
00:01:15.140 But you would also say that this transfers to, broadly speaking, governments and other.
00:01:22.260 Yeah, broadly speaking governments, et cetera.
00:01:24.340 And it doesn't always hold true, but when it doesn't hold true, you can see sort of proof of the model through the ways it doesn't hold true.
00:01:32.320 Hmm. All right.
00:01:33.260 So go ahead.
00:01:33.960 Walk us through.
00:01:35.220 So society can broadly be thought of as existing in five factions, although often there's really four that matter.
00:01:42.900 Okay.
00:01:43.260 So you have the urban disenfranchised group, you have the rural disenfranchised group, you have the economic elite, and you have the social elite.
00:01:55.300 Those are the most important classes.
00:01:57.160 And then you also have the military as sort of a fifth class that can sometimes matter in this equation.
00:02:02.320 The difference between the economic elite and the social elite is the economic elite are those with the most economic power within an institution, although, you know, within a communist system or something like this, they're just the people who sort of control the means of production to some extent, because people often end up controlling that within those systems.
00:02:19.380 The social elite are the individuals you are supposed to respect the most and whose opinions you are supposed to respect the most within a society.
00:02:28.660 So historically, this could be like a religious caste.
00:02:32.680 But within our existing society, it would be things like journalists and professors.
00:02:40.540 It would be the people who you are supposed to respect, even if they don't have economic wealth.
00:02:44.900 So historically, it really would have been the priest caste most.
00:02:47.780 Okay.
00:02:48.560 Or the church.
00:02:49.700 Religious leaders.
00:02:50.320 Even if, you know, aren't supposed to, like, even if, like, the priests don't have a lot of wealth, you are supposed to respect them.
00:02:56.380 Within our existing society, I mean, you could say this is a sign of, like, a fallen society or whatever.
00:03:00.080 It is academic accredited individuals as well as journalists.
00:03:05.480 So the most common thing that leads to a revolution, and this is why communism is so often used as the motivation for a revolution, is that the social elite want the wealth and the power that the economic elite have.
00:03:26.380 So the social elite, and this is why in a society where you can ensure your social elite have a lot of wealth and power, you are very likely to have government turnover.
00:03:36.960 So in a society where you have a huge disparity, where the social elite have very, very little wealth and power, that is where you are most likely to have a lot of people calling for revolution.
00:03:49.980 And that is our existing society now.
00:03:51.940 If you look at journalists, they have very little economic stability.
00:03:55.560 Like, it is, like, a terrible paying job.
00:03:58.480 And it's a job where they're constantly about to be fired because, you know, it's increasingly irrelevant.
00:04:03.540 And then you have the professor class, which is also just, like, a giant pyramid scheme now because everyone's moving for this social status and there are far more people who have achieved the minimum qualifications for it to apply for these positions or the maximum qualifications even.
00:04:19.420 And when you contrast with the number of positions of this largely parasitic caste. 0.54
00:04:25.260 I mean, they produce very little in terms of increased production in society.
00:04:29.600 So they can only survive by taking money basically from the disenfranchised groups.
00:04:37.320 I mean, they'll claim they take money from the economic elite of society, but it's very hard to take money from the economic elite of society.
00:04:43.060 So they take money from the disenfranchised groups and the economic elite take money from the disenfranchised groups.
00:04:48.020 But they can...
00:04:48.580 Walk me through this, though.
00:04:50.060 If, let's say, an academic is primarily making money through, like, Harvard's endowment, which funds most of their research, how are they making money?
00:04:58.400 Well, most of them are not making money from the endowments.
00:05:00.660 They're making money from tuition.
00:05:02.800 That's why tuition is so freaking high.
00:05:04.660 And most of the people who are getting this tuition are getting something that doesn't really help their career, does not help their earning potential, but is subsidizing the lifestyle of this social elite caste within our society.
00:05:18.940 And if you look at why tuitions are so high, it's these ridiculous government-backed loans.
00:05:24.740 I mean, I would say there was one thing the conservatives should be finding more than anything.
00:05:28.080 It's the government-backed loan system.
00:05:30.080 Because when you have a government-backed loan that you cannot get out of through bankruptcy, which you can't a student loan, which is why if you look at the cost of a university degree now and you amortize that over the cost of your life, you typically are getting about a net neutral often.
00:05:45.420 And it's not totally at that point yet, but the cost of university is continuing to rise.
00:05:51.300 And I expect that cost to stop rising when its value is about 10% to 25% higher than its amortized value over the cost of your life, over your entire life.
00:06:03.060 And the reason I expect it to go to a bit higher is because it gives you a bit of social status or something like that.
00:06:09.200 So, I mean, we are living in a society now where the social elite are in this absolutely terrible position when contrasted with the economic elite.
00:06:18.580 So, they have every motivation to say, let's redistribute wealth.
00:06:23.340 And they try to encourage the dispossessed groups in our society, the urban and rural dispossessed groups in our society, to join their cause with the impetus that they will redistribute wealth to them.
00:06:36.640 What they really often mean is they plan to run this apparatus that redistributes wealth.
00:06:42.560 And through running that apparatus, they expect some level of, if not more wealth than other people, less work per the wealth that they have access to, while still having access to their same voice boxes and social status within society.
00:06:58.080 Now, where this becomes really interesting is who actually wins revolutions.
00:07:04.220 And this is where within our existing society, there is actually very little real risk of a revolution from the left.
00:07:12.780 And that is to really have a powerful, and this is also when I talked about the social elite and stuff like that.
00:07:18.340 This is also why when you look across societies, revolutions are often usually started by students or student groups or stuff like that.
00:07:27.560 Because that is where the social elite often have the most power to ferment revolution.
00:07:32.380 So, and because those people expect to eventually be at the top of the new social elite within the economic system once it has been reestablished.
00:07:40.620 So, they court the urban dispossessed. 0.61
00:07:45.180 The problem being is that the urban dispossessed are largely irrelevant in revolutions.
00:07:51.340 To maintain power, you need the rural dispossessed on your side. 1.00
00:07:55.740 This is what you see in places like Russia and Turkey today.
00:08:00.280 The reason why you are so unlikely to see any sort of revolution within these places is when you do see these rebellious groups begin to ferment dissent, the rural groups are firmly on the side of the existing power structure.
00:08:17.720 And so, you are very unlikely to get a revolution.
00:08:19.800 So, why is this the case?
00:08:20.980 Why is it that the rural dispossessed are so much more important than the urban dispossessed?
00:08:26.700 It's because the urban dispossessed typically rely on a very complex social structure.
00:08:32.400 They rely on supply lines to get their foods.
00:08:34.580 They often are much more reliant on social programs and much more reliant on the government to essentially give them food and everything like that.
00:08:41.700 But in addition to that, they're much more reliant on society more broadly continuing to work.
00:08:48.200 Whereas the rural dispossessed are much more, have a much easier time feeding themselves, etc.
00:08:53.540 Second, urban dispossessed require much fewer troops to pacify when they need to be pacified.
00:09:01.600 Right, because they're all in the same place.
00:09:03.400 Yeah, they're all in the same place.
00:09:04.880 They're basically rounded up already.
00:09:07.180 Exactly.
00:09:07.920 Rural dispossessed can attack basically wherever they want. 0.88
00:09:12.100 So, you have to distribute your troops across a large rural region and then the rebels or the rebellious group can pick and choose the location of the fighting to some extent. 0.98
00:09:24.060 Because they can, you know, either you kill them all, right?
00:09:28.220 Which then loses you one of the core resources you often want in those areas, which is the people and their knowledge of tilling land and stuff like that.
00:09:35.020 Or you prevent their movement, which can be very hard to do.
00:09:38.940 So, as they can move together and attack wherever they want within a community, they can target thinner troops, which makes them very, very hard to keep down.
00:09:50.420 And you can't just control them by sieging them.
00:09:52.800 And by sieging them, what I mean is disrupting supply lines, keeping food from entering your neighborhood.
00:09:56.280 Well, you see this with places, like, not just attempts to, we'll say, change things in the Middle East, you know, like foreign incursions into the Middle East, but also the United States Revolution, you know, the colonial revolution.
00:10:11.140 One of the reasons we won was because the rural disenfranchised were able to essentially fight back, right?
00:10:19.120 I mean, several cities were burned down.
00:10:20.880 I mean, all the people in urban areas were actually quite exposed and were actually...
00:10:25.880 Yeah.
00:10:26.460 And what people often imagine when they hear this is that the rural population are the ones necessarily doing the majority of the fighting, but that's not really true.
00:10:33.840 If you just have the sympathy with the rural population, they'll find the cave you're hiding in, they'll find your safe house, and they will deliver you food and supplies, which is much harder to do in cities because you can much more easily control the flows of food and supplies.
00:10:48.500 And mark food and supplies is, this is going here, this is going here.
00:10:52.940 Where this is relevant to the online world, well, so one where this is relevant to our existing society, if you look at progressive groups in the U.S. that are trying to ferment revolution, they almost holistically focus on urban populations, which are essentially useless in a revolution.
00:11:07.840 Unless those urban populations do not have these systems that are meant to support them.
00:11:16.400 So this is what you saw in the Russian revolution of the initial communist revolutions in Russia under sort of the czarist regime.
00:11:23.620 Because during those revolutions, the urban populations did not have infrastructure that was supplying them with food.
00:11:30.820 They did not have all the, they did not have like any sort of resources that were going to them because of the state.
00:11:36.880 They did not have any of the benefits that exist within current urban populations that make them so hard.
00:11:44.160 Really, the only benefit that they had was that they were slightly easier to siege, which is, can be pretty hard in an urban environment when you have sort of unification and this population is used to supporting itself, which is what you kept seeing in the Russian wars during these periods.
00:11:59.440 Whenever somebody would try to siege an urban area, these populations were so used to supporting themselves, they were used to incredible hardship.
00:12:05.860 And so it was very hard to actually siege these populations.
00:12:10.500 But in an existing world economy, almost all urban populations have these benefits to some extent, which make them very useless in a revolution.
00:12:19.280 Now, what gets interesting is how does this apply to the online world?
00:12:23.980 Right.
00:12:24.100 So if you're looking at the online world, you can see the economic elite as the people who own the platforms.
00:12:32.180 The social elite are the moderators.
00:12:37.620 They are the people who can decide.
00:12:39.820 And the military, to some extent, is the people who can decide to have platforms shut down.
00:12:43.820 Like when the government.
00:12:44.540 So like the military could be China or Germany or India.
00:12:49.280 Yeah, yeah.
00:12:49.580 Choosing to shut down like Twitter or Facebook or.
00:12:53.440 Within their country, right?
00:12:54.580 But within America.
00:12:55.080 Like the US trying to shut down.
00:12:56.820 It doesn't matter.
00:12:57.300 The point being is that in America, the military within online sphere is largely irrelevant.
00:13:01.020 So you have the people who own the platforms.
00:13:04.380 Who are the economic group.
00:13:05.340 Like Zuckerberg or Musk or yes.
00:13:07.200 Or Facebook or whatever, right?
00:13:09.820 They're predominantly progressive in orientation these days.
00:13:12.940 It was Musk being the major alternative here.
00:13:15.860 Who's very progressive, broadly speaking.
00:13:18.500 He's just not in line, like lockstep with every single thing the existing progressive regime wants.
00:13:24.140 But then you have the other group, which is the moderators.
00:13:28.560 Who are the social elite within this organization.
00:13:31.220 They don't necessarily have a real economic power.
00:13:33.980 And they don't gain economic power from the people within their communities often.
00:13:37.420 But they do have social power.
00:13:39.980 And they do exercise that social power.
00:13:41.800 So that being the case.
00:13:44.140 Who is the rural dispossessed and who are the urban dispossessed?
00:13:47.900 Within the online communities, the urban dispossessed are those who live online within social communities that are controlled by these social elite and economic elite.
00:14:01.100 Or where they have complete dominion.
00:14:03.040 So this would be places like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, stuff like that.
00:14:08.360 Whereas the urban dispossessed are the ones who are in these communities that you can't really stamp down.
00:14:13.800 So this would be things like 4chan.
00:14:17.440 And you mean the rural dispossessed are those who are in these communities.
00:14:20.140 Yeah, rural dispossessed.
00:14:21.480 4chan, Borough forums, HN or whatever.
00:14:24.760 If you get rid of one of these, another one pops up somewhere else.
00:14:28.600 Yeah, like literally no government or centralized authority or owner of a platform could take it down.
00:14:36.620 Yeah, and they often don't have moderators.
00:14:39.040 So they have more of a sort of true equality of voices within their community.
00:14:43.800 Where the best ideas win.
00:14:46.200 And because the people who come to these communities are the ones who often feel the most silenced by moderators.
00:14:52.920 Within sort of the urban dispossessed of the online sphere.
00:14:55.920 They are often those with the views that most contrast with the mainstream views among moderators.
00:15:01.800 Considering that the moderators within these communities have largely been owned by the progressive sphere.
00:15:07.240 That has pushed the conservatives more to this online world dispossessed community.
00:15:12.160 Unfortunately, what this means is that these individuals, or not unfortunately, unfortunately from the perspective of a progressive mindset, are going to be very hard to stamp out.
00:15:23.280 And will probably ultimately win the online culture war.
00:15:26.260 This is why when you look at the online culture of today, whether it's like any major themes, whether it's memes, or new music treads, or new social treads, like bronies, or the Trump administration, or MAGA, or whatever.
00:15:41.020 All of this started in the world dispossessed of the online sphere.
00:15:45.180 They all started in places like 4chan.
00:15:46.960 Yeah, so it's the equivalent of like strange militias coming out of the countryside, or weird movements.
00:15:53.680 The CCP Foundation.
00:15:55.420 Well, no, it's interesting, because it's very different than the world today.
00:15:58.380 Usually in the world today, if you're talking about like the physical world, new trends, whether it's fashion or ideas.
00:16:04.880 Well, typically come from the cities, yeah.
00:16:06.120 From the urban dispossessed, right?
00:16:08.380 Yeah, but the reason you see something different in the online sphere is the moderator class has taken such control of what's being said within these urban online environments, that anyone who really wants to challenge the existing system has to go to these rural locations.
00:16:29.900 And so they may not ideologically agree with the entire rural location.
00:16:33.360 I mean, I doubt like the people who started the brony movement were like far right away, is there anything like that, right?
00:16:38.560 But they would have been laughed at or said they were trolling.
00:16:43.100 I mean, what's funny is even 4chan used to try to ban their content for a long time and then largely gave up because the culture of this community was one of the moms are asleep, you know, post the thing that annoys them most.
00:16:55.920 Yeah.
00:16:56.020 And it's also created this culture, which is becoming increasingly important, I think, in the political landscape today, the internet increases in the importance of trolling.
00:17:04.820 But because the trolls are the people who are kicked out of these urban communities the most into these online rural communities.
00:17:14.740 So that's why trolling has become such an important part of the generative culture today.
00:17:20.300 When I talk about generative culture, I'm talking about culture that's generating genuinely new ideas and new ways and new forms of art and stuff like that, which you often see coming out of these areas.
00:17:29.800 So what's the, what is the physical equivalent of a troll, like in history or in current culture?
00:17:40.680 Just like weirdos who get kicked out of cities because they don't.
00:17:44.920 Yeah.
00:17:45.860 Weirdos who get kicked out of cities. 0.57
00:17:47.140 Those weirdos. 0.99
00:17:48.060 The witches. 0.90
00:17:49.240 Yeah, I guess. 0.79
00:17:50.240 The witches often were killed. 0.97
00:17:51.660 They lived by the ponds doing their weird stuff that everyone was like, you are a weirdo and you are annoying people. 0.97
00:17:58.220 Yeah.
00:17:59.660 But I was also going to say, so a really interesting thing about this phenomenon and a huge mistake that the progressive part of the online culture is making right now is they think that they gain power by turning urban dispossessed groups into rural dispossessed groups.
00:18:17.460 So an example I'd make here is you would have a community like Tumblr in Action or something like that.
00:18:21.820 A big mistake you often see the moderator class making these days is they exercise their power by totally banning or completely disenfranchising groups, which turns a group where they used to have say or power into a totally rural dispossessed group.
00:18:41.260 And they think that through doing this, they have won.
00:18:46.020 So an example might be they take a community like Tumblr in Action, right?
00:18:49.440 And they will ban that group or they'll ban red pill groups. 0.70
00:18:52.880 And then these communities reform within iterations of the communities that are often much smaller in terms of user count.
00:19:00.760 But the users that they are able to maintain are now uninfluenciable by the mainstream online culture and much more generative to future online culture.
00:19:12.440 So you can look at stuff like, you know, we often talk about the red pill movement or the men's right or the mixed town movement.
00:19:17.500 A lot of these movements got nuked within like Reddit and stuff like that, where the mods used to have power over them.
00:19:23.840 Well, we probably would have never seen that movement, whether or not you think it's for better or worse, had the initial moderators of things like Reddit not banned those communities and forced them into the rural dispossessed communities where they began to generate more generative content.
00:19:41.280 So what you're saying is by, quote unquote, banning hate speech and suppressing offensive ideas, rather than maybe showing them to be stupid or overcoming them by just having active debate and kind of, you know, engaging with them where they are, by banning these communities essentially to the rural area,
00:20:06.820 they are forcing them to become empowered and then more influential, but also more extreme.
00:20:12.880 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a bit like if you had a city today and you had some religious group or something like that, and you're like, just get out of the city.
00:20:21.560 Like, we don't want you anymore.
00:20:22.920 You just expelled them from the city.
00:20:24.500 Yeah. Either convert or get out of the city.
00:20:26.660 And so, you know, maybe 40, 50% of them, 60%, maybe even 70% would convert.
00:20:32.100 But the 30% that leaves the city, you know, picks up arms on their way out, gets access to, you know, lines of food.
00:20:40.060 They are being put in a position that no, like, sane king would put them in.
00:20:45.820 But the problem is, is that if you look at the online sphere today, they hugely underestimate just how much of online culture is coming from these rural communities
00:20:54.380 or how little online culture is genuinely generated by what's going on in sort of the, quote unquote, urban online populations.
00:21:02.100 Another reason why so much of online culture and why you see this flip real world versus online
00:21:06.940 is within a community like 4chan, within these rural populations, they are often fully anonymized
00:21:14.140 because these individuals are afraid of what's going to happen to them when they enter sort of, you know, the real world settings,
00:21:20.860 how much of this is going to hit them in real life.
00:21:22.360 And because they're fully anonymized, that means that every individual idea has to compete on its own.
00:21:29.960 Every individual post gets interacted with or lifted based on its own merit from the perspective of that community
00:21:37.900 rather than based on the status of the individual.
00:21:41.960 It's sort of the truest meritocracy you could ever build.
00:21:44.840 And because of that, you get more creative ideas coming at a faster pace, which is very difficult to compete with
00:21:52.900 if you're coming from sort of these ideologically dulled, we follow the leader, moderated online communities.
00:22:01.480 Interesting.
00:22:02.780 Okay, well, here's a counterpoint, though.
00:22:04.720 Because what you're essentially saying is, like, 4chan, they are the Sea Peoples.
00:22:10.460 You know, they are the...
00:22:11.180 They are the Sea Peoples.
00:22:12.320 They are.
00:22:12.600 The distributed, faceless, nameless, impossible-to-conquer enemy that raids the villages and towns when they are vulnerable
00:22:20.940 and ultimately kind of takes over.
00:22:24.200 But at the same time, when we look back at history, we look at the accomplishments of the Roman Empire, not the Sea Peoples.
00:22:30.100 So what would you say to the argument that, you know, ultimately it's the centralized powers that achieve anything of note,
00:22:37.960 that make a dent, that add to history's blockchain?
00:22:41.720 Because the Sea Peoples are too decentralized to ultimately add to history's blockchain, to humans' overall advancement. 0.99
00:22:49.440 Maybe they stress test humanity.
00:22:51.420 Maybe they strengthen us kind of like a virus.
00:22:54.300 But they ultimately don't have that much lasting power because of the very nature of their structure.
00:23:01.120 Well, I would argue that that was historically true.
00:23:04.740 I think a most...
00:23:05.680 And I think even...
00:23:07.440 But I think it's intrinsically and just obviously immeasurably not true today.
00:23:11.980 Hmm.
00:23:12.580 Why?
00:23:12.800 If you look at where online culture is generated, you look at where does Slenderman come from? 1.00
00:23:18.440 Where does the CCP come...
00:23:19.940 What is the...
00:23:21.300 I forget the name.
00:23:22.880 The containment whatever organization or bronies or any major online meme.
00:23:28.420 Where do they come from?
00:23:29.360 90% of the time you will find they originally came from 4chan.
00:23:33.660 Or a 4chan derivative like 8chan or something like that.
00:23:36.820 And even the fact that major political movements like MAGA...
00:23:40.460 And people say MAGA really was not bolstered.
00:23:43.400 No.
00:23:44.180 Donald Trump...
00:23:45.120 You guys, like history keeps getting rewritten by the internet.
00:23:47.760 He was a joke candidate among both the far right and the far left of the dominant political class of the United States.
00:23:55.600 4chan bolstered him to the point where he began to be considered seriously by some commentators on the right, which was his pathway to power.
00:24:04.600 But without 4chan, there is no Donald Trump.
00:24:08.140 There is no MAGA.
00:24:09.540 And that was a major sea change in politics in the U.S.
00:24:12.920 You know how people in the U.S., they're always like, oh, well, you can't say that Republicans were the party that freed the slaves because the parties have flipped since then.
00:24:21.380 Well, the parties just did another flip recently.
00:24:24.120 Not a total flip.
00:24:25.300 Some of the positions were retained.
00:24:27.080 But things like, you know, hawkishness versus dovishness.
00:24:30.620 Protectionism versus anti-protectionism.
00:24:32.820 Lots of major policy positions flipped to the extent that I would argue that in a post-Trump world, the two political factions in the U.S. are essentially new and different political factions that I think you could largely call the globalists versus the nationalists.
00:24:48.660 And this new political flip that I think we just got was an update of history's blockchain, whether or not you think it's a positive or negative one.
00:24:59.580 And yeah, this conversation has been very productive.
00:25:01.740 I don't know.
00:25:02.220 I love talking about this.
00:25:05.320 I'm curious to see.
00:25:06.260 I love talking to you, Simone.
00:25:07.020 And I'm sorry.
00:25:07.940 I want you to be the predominant talker on the next one here.
00:25:11.700 Well, maybe we can go through hate mail.
00:25:15.740 That would be a nice thing to do.
00:25:16.980 Oh, gosh.
00:25:17.800 That killed me.
00:25:18.400 Okay, go for it.
00:25:19.520 Tune in next time for some delicious hate read by Simone and commented on by Malcolm.
00:25:26.500 But I like this.
00:25:27.720 I love you, Malcolm.
00:25:28.680 I love you, too.