Based Camp： ＂Scientific＂ Racism is for Midwits (as is Ethno-Nationalism)
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In this episode, we discuss scientific racism and why it is such a dumb perspective, if not actively stupid, if you're actually looking at the data. We discuss why this form of racism is so dumb and why we need to do something about it.
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would you like to know more hello malcolm hello simone i see you have changed up your outfit
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one of my favorite accusations because you know people always make fun of our looks
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is that you look like a villain from an indiana jones movie and i'm like yeah those villains are
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hot unfortunately they're also often racist and so this is going to be a spicy episode because
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we are going to talk about racism specifically scientific racism which i think is a
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scientific racism which i think is a more common topic these days and why it is such a midwit
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perspective if not actively stupid if you're actually looking at the data so first i'm going
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to define what specifically we're arguing against here or what we're saying is pretty midwit is
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people who argue for there being persistent genetic differences in competence sociological profiles
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or iq between ethnic groups and that social or personal decisions should be based on these
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so it's similar to what we would consider like evil eugenics which is that it makes a judgment call
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about certain traits being good or bad and it also makes a judgment call about society on a broad level
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needing to do something about that right no very specifically it doesn't i think that makes it too
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narrow and too easy to argue against if you take those positions it just argues that there are persistent
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differences okay then policies should take these persistent differences into account because i want
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to argue on harder mode right i want to i don't want to take such an easy perspective as that one
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so where this really came up is you were doing a podcast and people kept trying to find out if you were
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jewish and they kept tweeting like jew knows and stuff like that i'm grouping anti-semitism in with racism
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here because when you're talking about scientific racism these groups are often very aligned and first i think
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it is very weird that these groups get grouped together by people in scientific racist communities
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because like presumably these communities also believe that jews are like smarter than other groups
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so why would they be making fun of me for marrying someone if she might be jewish which by the way simone
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is not genetically jewish i am genetically culturally jewish what i mean is your jewish genes might make up like
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one eighth of your genes but they are matrilineal so they are culturally jewish but if being jewish gave
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you some sort of genetic advantage you wouldn't have that so let's talk about the manipul of reasons
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why this form of racism is so dumb so first is it comes from the groups that primarily hold this form
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of racism right so they're like okay iq is hereditary which it is like the data just says iq is hereditary
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the thing that they miss is how hereditary iq is which is extremely hereditary and there's high
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differentiation between people within ethnic groups why this matters is you get really fast drift
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to the extent that you can't make meaningful judgments around this so for example you look at like
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first generation nigerians in the us right like they have higher iq than the white population
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why is it why are they out economically performing the white population right it's because there is
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huge variation within any sort of ethnic group and if you're just saying oh well look at averages
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and then we'll apply these averages across large populations you don't get really meaningful
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information worse if you actually look at the rate at which iq is changing in the developed world
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right now and this is specific to the developed world so you can look at the amount to which iq is
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hereditary and you can look at how quickly this is changing so you can look at the polygenic markers
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associated with iq and not only see that people who have these polygenic markers are having less kids
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but you can look in biobanks of samples taken from different times and seeing that these polygenic
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markers are appearing at lower rates you can also look at iq as in developed countries and see that it's
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also declining and if you look across these metrics so just basically however you measure this you see this
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decline you're looking at about one standard deviation decline in iq in the developed world
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within about 75 years so that means if there are going to be persistent like really meaningful
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ethnic differences in iq all of the geniuses are going to be in africa in 100 years
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hey like they're going to be weighted towards africa assuming the developed world doesn't get this
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under control somehow given their broad resistance to like polygenic risk score screening they're not
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going to so what's interesting is there are going to be really big iq differences between ethnic groups
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they just don't exist right now they're going to occur and they're going to be predominantly weighted
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towards the african groups and again this is again why i say like the recent stuff like the reason i use
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the nigerian population is the african-american group and the white american group are both equally at
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risk or whatever word you want to use from this rapid iq decline in developed countries you're
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seeing it at equal rates across all ethnic groups in these countries it just so happens that the way
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we have set up the world whether it's due to colonialism or whatever reason you think it's due to
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the poorest countries in the world the few countries that aren't dealing with rapid decline due to
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demographic collapse are predominantly in africa meaning that the people who are in these environments
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where you don't have these selective pressures against iq are going to be predominantly black in
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ethnicity even if you're looking at this from like a geneticist perspective if you look within africa
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the genetic differences in groups are just so much better they're so different that they dwarf any
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genetic difference you're talking about of all other people across the world so you're looking at more
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differences within african groups so one group in africa versus another group in africa they will
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typically like on average have more genetic difference than your average european and asian
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or native american in other words if you were making ethnic groups from the world's population based on
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how genetically different groups were and you broke down the world into 10 ethnic groups one of those
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groups would include europeans asians jews and native americans and the other nine would all be
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different african groups the way even quote unquote scientific racists often talk about race divides
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ethnic groups by their recent historical context not their actual genetic difference and distance
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which is what you would be doing if this was all about genes to you so it's hard to group these
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populations in any way that you can meaningfully make decisions around but here's the real big point
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here and this is unfortunately why racism is so stupid today oh then you're going to talk about
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reprotech right reprotech right let's talk about it no you go ahead i'm like watching you rant on this
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okay you like watching me rant okay so this is where you get into reprotechs okay you believe all
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of this stuff is genetically linked and blah blah blah unfortunately you then would also know how close
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we are to human crisper you would know that we can genetically select among embryos and how quickly
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that will change the genetic iq of a certain subgroup of the population um and unfortunately
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what all of this shows is that and we go into the mass of this in the pragmatist guy to crafting
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religion is that if you were to do crisper with a knowledge of where iq is on the human chain within
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one generation you could get iq up eight standard deviations i have mentioned this in other podcasts
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but i just think this is just such a stunning statistic q in the future will be predominantly
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a differentiation of the people who chose to engage in the cultures that chose to engage was
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reprotech and ones that didn't to the extent that even if there were differences in iq between ethnic
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groups it will be completely irrelevant within two or three generations to those who are technophilic
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no because those technophilic will be the ones who are competing in the economy at higher rates and
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everything like that and they will be from all ethnic groups at least if our foundation has anything
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to say about it of course our foundation is doing is trying to make this technology so cheap that
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anyone can access or if it's not so cheap that anyone can access it to ensure that there are people
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who will fund it so that anyone can access it because then you have the problem of only the rich
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people are using this tech and that causes other problems in terms of the lack of diversity in
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the future but the point being is that you have these people these white supremacists and stuff like that
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and it's like look at history so what all of these differences are going to be irrelevant in three
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generations if they exist at all so why would you take any pride in your ethnic group i mean a few
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different generations that ethnic group is going to be virtually the same as all other ethnic groups
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when contrasted with humans who are engaging with reprotech technology and you can say we'll ban this
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technology no what you'll do is you'll ban it for poor people and rich people will travel to other
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countries and have it done and that's freaking evil and then you'll be like no we'll find a super
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special way where like my country will ban it for both the poor and the good luck with that but okay
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even if you do that then what then some other countries won't ban it and they'll get the genetic
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advantage over you and you can look at the countries we can already tell from the statistics the
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countries that won't ban it i can say right now there'll be india that won't ban it which is really
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they're super pro yeah they're even pro crisper and humans like on national polls and stuff like that
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it makes sense so in india within dating markets they actually often ask not just about the person
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that they are choosing to marry but also they look at the income of like their brothers and sisters
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the jobs of their brothers and sisters which shows that they're looking at the person's genes
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and this then comes to something we tweeted about which is something that a lot of people get wrong
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is they think that they are taking an anti-racist position and they will argue for this because
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they think it's anti-racist that iq isn't heritable in a way where it can change really quickly in the
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human population they're like don't say that iq can change quickly that can lead to people thinking
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racist things and it's no the opposite leads to people thinking racist things if iq can only change
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over the period of a hundred thousand years if sociological profiles can only change over the period of a hundred thousand
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years which is not what the science says but people like will ignore the science that they think it
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supports i don't know like a political position they have so if that was true what it would mean
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is that things like sociological profiles at the genetic level or iq at the genetic level which is
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like highly genetic like this is just a mass agreed upon thing by science now just look up the wikipedia
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article on this that it would be tied to ethnic groups in a persistent way if however it changes at the
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level of two to three generations because ethnic groups don't change over two to three generations
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then it's meaninglessly tied to ethnic groups meaninglessly in any sort of persistent format
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and where you do see it end up maybe in the future being really tied to ethnic groups it's not due to
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any virtue or vice of those ethnic groups it's just due to those ethnic groups being in certain countries
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during the certain pressure periods so in the future when most of the world's geniuses are african
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it won't be anything about africans as a final quick point if our species is successful we're going
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to become an interplanetary species if we end up locked on earth almost certainly it's a it's an
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in-case scenario for our species there's just few good scenarios in which we end up locked on earth
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if we become an interstellar species given what we understand about physics now we're probably not
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going to be able to travel faster than the speed of light and that means we will almost certainly end
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up speciating between planets that being the case when we look forwards into what humanity becomes
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the current differences between ethnic groups are next to irrelevant no matter how big you
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conceivably argue they are thus ethnic differences really don't matter in any outcome in which our
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species survives thus why would you consider your ethnicity when thinking about your self-identity
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it's just not that important do you have any thoughts on this a lot of this just feels so
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so arbitrary to me but there's groups that make major decisions around this like
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people and during that entire chat they were just like racist racist racist and it makes no sense to
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me and then major racist policy positions you can look what is a major racist policy position that's
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out there so i think if you look at catholic integralists like you want to talk about something
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that makes no sense to me nick flintes catholic integralists he's talking about our positions before
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okay and and he i don't think he believes any of this he actually said one of the funniest thing
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that he's oh all of this genetic stuff they think they can raise iq really quickly it was like genetic
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testing and stuff like that if that was the case like somebody would have done it already it's bro this
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technology like just became accessible the idea that traditionalism fixes things when our society is so
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different from what it's ever been debt at the nation state level that's like an invention a massive
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less like an invention of the 1970s like college debt when did that start like 70s 80s it definitely
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wasn't true in like the 20s or 30 this is a new invention women working that's totally new at a
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nation state like worldwide civilizational level so many aspects of how our economy and our society works
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are just totally different it's not just the internet this entire structure is new and then that a
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tradition that was optimized for an older structure would work in this just baffles me i do not see why
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anyone would think that is the case but i can see why it's better than traditions that are just
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created to maximize in the moment hedonism which i think most progressive traditions are they're just
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like what can i believe that will cause me to accept the most other people to make the fewest hard
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choices in life and that's what i'm going to believe and but don't hold on don't you think this maybe has
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more to do with the fear of outgroups so when you did research on the tendencies of groups that are that
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have higher fertility rates one of the characteristics that you found the most was a tendency toward fear
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of outgroups in addition to authoritarianism societies so i think is scientific racism maybe it's a just
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so attempt at justifying fear of outgroups and not so much any genuine yeah this is where it gets
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interesting and i'm so glad you brought this up now before i finished my point on the catholic
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integralism okay so people who don't know what catholic integralism is it's a belief it's a catholic
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caliphate right that's yeah it's a catholic caliphate yeah they believe that the world should
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exist under a single catholic monarchy and nick fuentes is an example of one of these but they're
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actually pretty common among traditionalist conservatives in the u.s in the catholic group
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and a lot of them have converted to this and it's an interesting ideological perspective like i actually
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don't hold anything against this ideological perspective what is insane to me is this perspective
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in this group has a really high overlap with the anti-immigration group with the one ethnicity one
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culture one country group and it's what the immigrants are almost all catholic like we have a huge
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disproportionate not almost all catholics but disproportionately immigrant groups are catholic
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and if you believe in a what is a world under one monarchy it is a borderless society
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so borders shouldn't really matter to you your entire objective is about expanding our borders
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to be as broad as possible because eventually the world will be under a single monarchy so
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why could it be maybe it's that the sort of desired caliphate of these different factions of catholicism
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is different that the kind of all-encompassing governing structure that would come from like a latin
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american derived caliphate is different from the ideal governing structure of a united states derived
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caliphate and that it's a problem of cultural differences between north american south american
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and european catholics what do you think i think you could be right but i think in showing that
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catholicism takes pride in being one of the least derived religious traditions the older catholic
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traditions were the most inclusive of different ethnic groups of all religious traditions in the
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name of growth right in the not just in the name of growth in the name of ideology when they would often go
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to new places they would bring in saints from these new ethnic and cultural groups so that they could
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feel more included you are taking people from this new ousted economic group ethnic group and saying that
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they are literally like the next thing down from like jesus and god are literally deified that means
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they're above all of the other people in rome above the pope i think things are above the pope yeah
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things are above the pope and yet they are the they're of like a indigenous mexican group or something
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like that right this was something that the catholics did so historically the catholics were very much
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about this lack of and you could say it was in the name of growth but what do the integralists want
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if not growth they i think what it comes down to is and this is obviously a whole different can of
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worms that we will open in another podcast but it comes down to how truth is defined and how
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whether people can be saved and whether everyone needs to be saved so the reason why a caliphate or
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whatever a theocracy is desired is because the understanding is that you can save people you should save as
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many people as you can and therefore you know having your entire society governed by a religious
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institution is desirable and i no i agree with that i just don't understand why a group that had that
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perspective would also be against immigration of people of their own cultural group unless they
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think that they're like genuinely less similar to them than like american protestants which i think that
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may be the case i think that's stupid and it shows this is something i see across the conservative
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tradition now is people don't fully internalize how culturally different protestant and catholic
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groups are because they're on this or different protestant groups are from each other because
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they're all on the same side of the cultural divide from the super virus now but i but i think
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you're missing a beat with modern american catholicism which now has this alt-right dime square
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faction like it's a lot of people are like converting to catholicism from a very different
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it's like a it's no you're right about this a popsicle that's been dipped in like a strawberry
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like ganache before being redipped in the catholic chocolate ganache so it is a different treat
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what you're saying differently they are protestants they're culturally protestant they have recently
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converted to calicism and they are cosplaying as catholics because they think it's like an older
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or less derived or even atheists or an atheist yeah yeah and they think that it gives them some
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sort of mandate to some sort of universalism that they were unable to get with their previous tradition
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but they're not adopting all of the historic aspects of catholicism that made it so successful
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which was its inclusiveness yeah yeah i hear you on that it's but it's just that's because it's not
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catholicism as it was historically it's a it is a new thing and a new ideology but back to the point
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that i was making about maybe scientific racism not really being about racism it being about fear of
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outgroups and in our modern society there needs to be some narrative reason as to why we fear outgroups
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aside from the fact that fearing outgroups correlates with higher fertility and helps with reducing
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attrition which i think is why that persists and i should be clear she doesn't mean that these are
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good things but what is true is if you look at current fertility rates fear of outgroups will
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increase in the population because people who fear outgroups more have more kids both you see this
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because pluralistic cultures and pluralistic countries more kids so like israel and the u.s have had the
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highest resistance to prosperity induced fertility collapse while countries like korea where there's
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no real outgroups within their country to be afraid of have some of the lowest fertility rates or
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monolithic cultures but you also see and you see this across like if you look at wealthiest countries
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with low fertility rates are often very like monocultural mono-ethnic but also you see this
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within groups where people who are more xenophobic or more racist typically have more kids and you see
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this across cultural traditions it's not you see this muslims who are more xenophobic have more kids
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christians who are more xenophobic have more kids jews who are more xenophobic have more kids
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and this just means that across the world we are going to see an increase in fear about groups
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which yeah touche it is a successful strategy in that regards so i guess you could say that is
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why it's increasing but it like and logically doesn't make sense and that's why i say it's a
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midwit perspective is that a lot of people pretend like they're arguing from it from like a logical
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perspective like a historical or genetic perspective when it's just even if currently there were like
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genetic differences and sociological or iqs between ethnic groups it would be meaningless in the hundred
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year time span and that's the thing that's really pointless about it it's just doesn't matter anymore
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and so i think that what we need to do is begin to as a culture you can still have out groups like
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out groups you can have ideological out groups you can hate and fear the people who are ideologically
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different from you who are trying to take your kids and convert them to their way of seeing the
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world because you know what i promise you if i with europeans i like you know we sometimes talk
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to conservative europeans and they're like oh but you don't understand like the situation we have
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with muslims is very different than the situation you have in the u.s you can't be as pro-muslim as you
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are or whatever and it's bro the muslims aren't the ones who are trying to take your kids from you
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okay they're not the ones trying to convert your kids to hate you okay your kids are not gonna they
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are just as afraid of the people who are being predatory on your group as you are because those
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groups the reason they're accepting them as immigrants is because they don't have kids and so
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they replace their ranks with immigrant kids just as much as they do of kids of people who are born in
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the country you guys have a common enemy and that enemy is equally preying on both of you
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we can come together in people who understand that our core goal is ideologically continuing into the
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future our diverse cultural groups and who have the same problem which is these groups that don't have
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kids that can only survive by preying on our kids and this isn't an ethnic thing this is an
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ideological thing if we actually do what we're trying or one of the things that we're trying to do in
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the pragmatist guided crafting religion is to help people understand that it is much more healthy and
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much more accurate to take pride in your religious traditions and in your recent cultural groups instead of
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seeing the world in terms of ethnic cultural groups because religious traditions have often derived
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much more recently from each other and therefore with sociological profiles concentrating over very
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short periods of time what is much more interesting and meaningful differentiation between things like
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quaker groups and calvinist groups and catholic groups and evangelical groups regardless of ethnic
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tradition if you're talking about these sort of genetic selection events and i think that's really
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interesting in that one it more aligns with the evidence but then two it also says that these are things
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that are constantly in flux and constantly changing and that's why one of the things that people kept
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trying to get you to say on this podcast that you are on is that you're against race mixing this oh we're
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very pro race mixing why would we go do you want to go into your stance on race mixing i i just don't have i
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don't see why it would matter what matters is cultural compatibility and i don't even have what matters is that
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you're then creating a new group you're increasing diversity if you're doing that you're creating a
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new social experiment and if that social experiment doesn't work then that person won't end up having
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kids but if it does work well then you have a cultural group that might be more resistant to the
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super virus it might be a better ally of all of us in the future all of us who have kids and want to
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continue our cultures into the future against those groups that survive entirely by being parasitic
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but we argue even more more important by that argument than racial or ethnic mixing is cultural
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mixing yeah that's where you really get innovation so for me i don't know they're probably like if
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we're talking about different genetic traits coming together like maybe if one collection of genetic
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traits mixes with a different collection of genetic traits you end up combining everyone's worst
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heritable factors and it's not good or maybe you get all the best ones and it is good i don't know
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like i'm not in a position to say which broad collections of heritable traits are well paired
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but i i just don't really think it matters again in the face of things like embryo selection and in
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the face of things like crisper yeah and in how quickly all of these things change totally yeah
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that they shift over just you can get a standard deviation shift in iq in 75 years yeah that is
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mental um it seems all pretty pointless yeah but yeah i think i do think it's interesting that the
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what most people think they see i think especially those who are race realists is that like at the
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very bottom of the smart spectrum are like just the racists who are like i guess old-fashioned
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racists like we just hate them because they're an out group which actually i think we've just argued
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is the real reason why the scientific racists hate or are scientific racists and then you have
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this like group that really is anti-racism and they're apparently midwits and then the very smart
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people are scientific racists because they understand like the real differences and i don't
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again i still really struggle they can see through the program they can yes but then i think what
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we're trying to argue is no it's actually like a full circle and you actually just have problems
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without groups so stop trying to justify your piece yeah the current understanding of genetics
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doesn't back that i think another thing i want to say and this helps understand why i'm so
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antagonistic to progressives that say because we do believe that between families not between
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asset groups but between families there are genetic differences and things that can give you an
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advantage in the workplace like height IQ stuff like that anxiety depression so with that being the
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case when people are like oh we can't allow for genetic screening of embryos and stuff like that
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we can't allow for you to make this cheaper we can't allow for you to make this affordable because
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if like the genetic purity of humanity was interrupted with your weird science first of all and this is a
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view that progressives always take you're arguing for like maintaining genetic purity of humans that are
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like you yeah you're the bad guy also you because science like brought height is heredible like we
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know this right IQ is heredible we know this this is like something that is just not really disagreed
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upon that being the case if you don't allow us to make this technology affordable then what you're
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doing is baking in the existing systemic inequalities of our society yeah you're saying this works for me
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at a family level like why are you doing that why do you think that makes you the good guy
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oh i know it's because you've benefited from them because you're at the top of your local social
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hierarchies you've gotten your fancy degree because you happen to get the right roll of the dice at the
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right time and you want to preserve that for people who are like you and that's the end of the real game
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and i see it everyone sees it you are also racist you progressive turd who says that we shouldn't make
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this technology more accessible which actually democratizes the field of the most persistent
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form of genuine inequality in our society which is genetic differences that families didn't choose
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for their kids but you might be saying but some groups will still choose not to have access to this
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even if you make this cheap i don't see you complaining about the kids of jehovah's witnesses
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dying more because they're luddites about technology and they don't give their kids like blood transfusions
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or something that's the way that all the groups are that just choose not to engage with technology
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but we should at least give everyone the shot of a blood transfusion if it can be made cheap and for
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everyone which is the crazy thing about these genetic technologies is they intrinsically are so easy to
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make cheap because you're just comparing things to spreadsheets and and this is where it gets really
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interesting for me is that we are entering a new world where there are groups of people who want
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to maintain the systemic advantages that they've gotten and this is something i really believe i think
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that right now the people who go out there because you can look at the advantage and you know that a large
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portion of iq is heritable and and these people who have achieved success in our society and they go and
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try to look so cool by being like iq is inheritable everyone has an equal playing field i don't these
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will be seen the same way that we today see people who in the past were saying oh i don't see race
00:30:00.980
a white person who's become successful in part because they're white because they had an easier
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time with fewer systemic discrimination against them no pretending you don't see the advantages that
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you've had over other people whether it's height or iq now again none of this is ethnically linked
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in any sort of a meaningful way but it's the same and that it is not virtuous to pretend you don't
00:30:22.220
see the advantages you have over other people and it is definitely not virtuous to prevent people like
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us who are trying to narrow the playing field who are trying to allow for some sort of true equality
00:30:34.060
in our society who are trying to allow for families to make these reproductive choices for themselves
00:30:38.580
that is not a virtuous position that is not a progressive position what it is of a position
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towards preserving the existing power hierarchy of which you are a beneficiary and pretending like
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you don't see all the advantages you've had in life i'm going to push back and i will say
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i don't think that people neither those who said i don't see race nor those who say things aren't
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heritable yesterday and today do so with a desire to keep things the way that they are i think they do
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so out of performative virtue signaling just trying to show how very enlightened they are a culture can
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do something for a reason even if individuals don't do something for a reason and so i will be
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generous to you most of these people are too stupid to think about the implications of what they're
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actually doing while they may be smarter than the general population and have some ability that got
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them into their phd at harvard they're dumb enough or they are narrow-minded enough or maybe even worse
00:31:37.640
in being stupid they've never genuinely thought through the implications of their actions they're
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just following orders from the existing hierarchy the existing society has gone through many different
00:31:49.440
groups that have maintained control different religious traditions etc that they've maintained
00:31:53.100
control of society and there's a group of smart sort of whatever people who just pathologically
00:31:59.980
obey the order and they go and they kill galileo because he's saying oh thing look at what the data
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actually says and then there's some people who just will for fun try to do things that are against
00:32:12.800
the orthodoxy when the church controlled everything these were the people who were like into black magic
00:32:17.640
and the occult and stuff like that where it was like a form of pseudoscience that gained traction just
00:32:23.640
because it was anti-orthodoxy but then there were other people who were like hey you should really take a
00:32:27.880
look at this evolution thing you should really take a look at this heliocentrism thing and they were
00:32:33.960
persecuted because they were going against the orthodoxy because there is a certain mindset and
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so you're trying to get me to say it's not really their fault it is their fault they have sublimated
00:32:45.260
the long term even from their own perspective benefit of society which is from their perspective
00:32:51.620
often increasing equality lowering emotional pain which by the way is something we can select
00:32:55.980
again swiss crisper but the very things that they claim to be against where we can at a genetic level
00:33:03.580
make people less susceptible to things like a major depressive disorder so that they are willing to
00:33:10.040
ignore those long-term benefits to society even from their own perspective just so that they can
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maintain their position within the existing hierarchy just so that they don't rock the boat
00:33:18.180
and this there's this guy adam rutherford he's some famous geneticist who is always attacking us on
00:33:23.540
twitter um not a real geneticist a pseudo geneticist but he just is so interested in supporting the
00:33:28.760
orthodoxy and you can see it in his hypocrisy he is against us genetically selecting against our
00:33:35.160
embryos that may have things like cancer and stuff like that right that have a higher probability of that
00:33:39.840
but he absolutely supports and would fight to his dying breath the right of a woman to abort a baby
00:33:47.100
that was found to have something wrong with it in the womb so why does he hold these two
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obviously insanely contradictory views because one of them is a progressive orthodoxy and gets him
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little points with the minions and the other is some new idea that people haven't adapted to yet
00:34:07.520
so he's gonna fight it because he doesn't actually care about anything he says he cares about
00:34:13.720
he cares about power and that is it and that is what these people who have gained power within the
00:34:20.820
academic institutions care about they care about power and nothing else not about the suffering not
00:34:26.220
about the systemic inequality not about any of the long-term damage they're doing to society
00:34:30.580
am i being too spicy i think passion is very welcome in this household so you're not going to get
00:34:38.760
me complaining but it's yeah i don't disagree with you i uh i like to think that everyone is acting
00:34:46.300
in well-intentioned ways that they're doing the best they can with the information they have
00:34:51.220
and that culture like you say is more faultier yes and i disagree with you i think that everyone
00:34:56.880
wants to believe they're acting in well-intentioned ways but some people are willing to peer through
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the societal punishment they get for going for saying things that aren't mainstream
00:35:06.880
the emotional pain that's required to admit that the world isn't fair as it's structured now
00:35:11.940
to get to the other side and say okay if it turns out that different families have different levels
00:35:18.320
of like genetic iq how can we make this better instead of saying i won't accept that because
00:35:22.520
that would mean the world is unfair and then i have to deal with something hard yes in a way they
00:35:27.300
are trying to be the good guys but they are trying to be the good guys so they can see themselves as
00:35:32.200
the good guys not because they're actually trying to optimize for a better world they believe
00:35:36.420
they're trying to optimize for a better world but it's because they stop at every single idea
00:35:40.900
that may cause them to have to give up any of the societal power they've accumulated or face any
00:35:46.700
emotional pain you're probably not not wrong but i appreciate that you always try to see the best in
00:35:53.300
people you are such a kind-hearted person and this is why you tolerate a beast like me no i think it's
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that i can't read other people so i don't know what they're doing i i love these conversations i love
00:36:07.980
talking with you so much so thanks this was fun definitely clarified some of my views on the new
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sort of scientific racism movement that seems to be boiling up so interesting thanks for that
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so but here's the thing about scientific racism again they're just as bad as the other group because
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if they stopped their ridiculous teen politics and actually looked at the data they keep banding
00:36:30.480
around around polygenic markers for iq how quickly those things can change how quickly they're being
00:36:35.900
selected for in society they would realize how pointless thinking about any of this in terms of
00:36:40.360
ethnic groups is it literally doesn't align with their own data things change too fast for there to
00:36:47.260
be persistent meaningful differences in ethnic groups there you have it people don't think through
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things very well but that's a pervasive problem and a fault of humanity at least we'll be at least
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we'll be skewered by both the left and the right for this take thank goodness i'll see you later