Based Camp - June 01, 2023


Based Camp： ＂Scientific＂ Racism is for Midwits (as is Ethno-Nationalism)


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00:00:00.000 would you like to know more hello malcolm hello simone i see you have changed up your outfit
00:00:08.560 one of my favorite accusations because you know people always make fun of our looks
00:00:12.640 is that you look like a villain from an indiana jones movie and i'm like yeah those villains are
00:00:20.200 hot unfortunately they're also often racist and so this is going to be a spicy episode because
00:00:28.460 we are going to talk about racism specifically scientific racism which i think is a
00:00:34.760 scientific racism which i think is a more common topic these days and why it is such a midwit
00:00:41.260 perspective if not actively stupid if you're actually looking at the data so first i'm going
00:00:46.140 to define what specifically we're arguing against here or what we're saying is pretty midwit is
00:00:53.660 people who argue for there being persistent genetic differences in competence sociological profiles
00:01:05.640 or iq between ethnic groups and that social or personal decisions should be based on these
00:01:15.320 so it's similar to what we would consider like evil eugenics which is that it makes a judgment call
00:01:24.180 about certain traits being good or bad and it also makes a judgment call about society on a broad level
00:01:31.020 needing to do something about that right no very specifically it doesn't i think that makes it too
00:01:36.580 narrow and too easy to argue against if you take those positions it just argues that there are persistent
00:01:41.620 differences okay then policies should take these persistent differences into account because i want
00:01:47.740 to argue on harder mode right i want to i don't want to take such an easy perspective as that one
00:01:52.400 so where this really came up is you were doing a podcast and people kept trying to find out if you were
00:01:56.960 jewish and they kept tweeting like jew knows and stuff like that i'm grouping anti-semitism in with racism
00:02:02.740 here because when you're talking about scientific racism these groups are often very aligned and first i think
00:02:09.460 it is very weird that these groups get grouped together by people in scientific racist communities
00:02:14.800 because like presumably these communities also believe that jews are like smarter than other groups
00:02:21.120 so why would they be making fun of me for marrying someone if she might be jewish which by the way simone
00:02:26.400 is not genetically jewish i am genetically culturally jewish what i mean is your jewish genes might make up like
00:02:34.720 one eighth of your genes but they are matrilineal so they are culturally jewish but if being jewish gave
00:02:43.020 you some sort of genetic advantage you wouldn't have that so let's talk about the manipul of reasons
00:02:49.480 why this form of racism is so dumb so first is it comes from the groups that primarily hold this form
00:02:57.200 of racism right so they're like okay iq is hereditary which it is like the data just says iq is hereditary
00:03:03.340 the thing that they miss is how hereditary iq is which is extremely hereditary and there's high
00:03:13.120 differentiation between people within ethnic groups why this matters is you get really fast drift
00:03:23.140 to the extent that you can't make meaningful judgments around this so for example you look at like
00:03:30.460 first generation nigerians in the us right like they have higher iq than the white population
00:03:35.400 why is it why are they out economically performing the white population right it's because there is
00:03:40.640 huge variation within any sort of ethnic group and if you're just saying oh well look at averages
00:03:45.240 and then we'll apply these averages across large populations you don't get really meaningful
00:03:50.960 information worse if you actually look at the rate at which iq is changing in the developed world
00:03:58.840 right now and this is specific to the developed world so you can look at the amount to which iq is
00:04:03.740 hereditary and you can look at how quickly this is changing so you can look at the polygenic markers
00:04:08.260 associated with iq and not only see that people who have these polygenic markers are having less kids
00:04:12.860 but you can look in biobanks of samples taken from different times and seeing that these polygenic
00:04:18.240 markers are appearing at lower rates you can also look at iq as in developed countries and see that it's
00:04:22.780 also declining and if you look across these metrics so just basically however you measure this you see this
00:04:28.000 decline you're looking at about one standard deviation decline in iq in the developed world
00:04:32.140 within about 75 years so that means if there are going to be persistent like really meaningful
00:04:39.580 ethnic differences in iq all of the geniuses are going to be in africa in 100 years
00:04:44.520 hey like they're going to be weighted towards africa assuming the developed world doesn't get this
00:04:50.860 under control somehow given their broad resistance to like polygenic risk score screening they're not
00:04:56.220 going to so what's interesting is there are going to be really big iq differences between ethnic groups
00:05:03.940 they just don't exist right now they're going to occur and they're going to be predominantly weighted
00:05:09.880 towards the african groups and again this is again why i say like the recent stuff like the reason i use
00:05:15.820 the nigerian population is the african-american group and the white american group are both equally at
00:05:22.420 risk or whatever word you want to use from this rapid iq decline in developed countries you're
00:05:27.600 seeing it at equal rates across all ethnic groups in these countries it just so happens that the way
00:05:34.000 we have set up the world whether it's due to colonialism or whatever reason you think it's due to
00:05:38.640 the poorest countries in the world the few countries that aren't dealing with rapid decline due to
00:05:44.340 demographic collapse are predominantly in africa meaning that the people who are in these environments
00:05:49.700 where you don't have these selective pressures against iq are going to be predominantly black in
00:05:54.680 ethnicity even if you're looking at this from like a geneticist perspective if you look within africa
00:06:00.720 the genetic differences in groups are just so much better they're so different that they dwarf any
00:06:07.080 genetic difference you're talking about of all other people across the world so you're looking at more
00:06:11.440 differences within african groups so one group in africa versus another group in africa they will
00:06:17.260 typically like on average have more genetic difference than your average european and asian
00:06:22.720 or native american in other words if you were making ethnic groups from the world's population based on
00:06:28.160 how genetically different groups were and you broke down the world into 10 ethnic groups one of those
00:06:33.820 groups would include europeans asians jews and native americans and the other nine would all be
00:06:39.860 different african groups the way even quote unquote scientific racists often talk about race divides
00:06:46.580 ethnic groups by their recent historical context not their actual genetic difference and distance
00:06:52.880 which is what you would be doing if this was all about genes to you so it's hard to group these
00:06:59.600 populations in any way that you can meaningfully make decisions around but here's the real big point
00:07:06.520 here and this is unfortunately why racism is so stupid today oh then you're going to talk about
00:07:11.760 reprotech right reprotech right let's talk about it no you go ahead i'm like watching you rant on this
00:07:19.540 okay you like watching me rant okay so this is where you get into reprotechs okay you believe all
00:07:25.040 of this stuff is genetically linked and blah blah blah unfortunately you then would also know how close
00:07:30.940 we are to human crisper you would know that we can genetically select among embryos and how quickly
00:07:35.680 that will change the genetic iq of a certain subgroup of the population um and unfortunately
00:07:42.760 what all of this shows is that and we go into the mass of this in the pragmatist guy to crafting
00:07:49.080 religion is that if you were to do crisper with a knowledge of where iq is on the human chain within
00:07:55.560 one generation you could get iq up eight standard deviations i have mentioned this in other podcasts
00:08:03.600 but i just think this is just such a stunning statistic q in the future will be predominantly
00:08:08.760 a differentiation of the people who chose to engage in the cultures that chose to engage was
00:08:14.140 reprotech and ones that didn't to the extent that even if there were differences in iq between ethnic
00:08:21.780 groups it will be completely irrelevant within two or three generations to those who are technophilic
00:08:27.160 no because those technophilic will be the ones who are competing in the economy at higher rates and
00:08:31.300 everything like that and they will be from all ethnic groups at least if our foundation has anything
00:08:35.320 to say about it of course our foundation is doing is trying to make this technology so cheap that
00:08:39.100 anyone can access or if it's not so cheap that anyone can access it to ensure that there are people
00:08:45.020 who will fund it so that anyone can access it because then you have the problem of only the rich
00:08:49.580 people are using this tech and that causes other problems in terms of the lack of diversity in
00:08:52.960 the future but the point being is that you have these people these white supremacists and stuff like that
00:08:58.080 and it's like look at history so what all of these differences are going to be irrelevant in three
00:09:04.100 generations if they exist at all so why would you take any pride in your ethnic group i mean a few
00:09:10.760 different generations that ethnic group is going to be virtually the same as all other ethnic groups
00:09:18.040 when contrasted with humans who are engaging with reprotech technology and you can say we'll ban this
00:09:25.000 technology no what you'll do is you'll ban it for poor people and rich people will travel to other
00:09:31.580 countries and have it done and that's freaking evil and then you'll be like no we'll find a super
00:09:36.100 special way where like my country will ban it for both the poor and the good luck with that but okay
00:09:41.840 even if you do that then what then some other countries won't ban it and they'll get the genetic
00:09:46.640 advantage over you and you can look at the countries we can already tell from the statistics the
00:09:50.260 countries that won't ban it i can say right now there'll be india that won't ban it which is really
00:09:53.740 they're super pro yeah they're even pro crisper and humans like on national polls and stuff like that
00:09:58.660 it makes sense so in india within dating markets they actually often ask not just about the person
00:10:05.900 that they are choosing to marry but also they look at the income of like their brothers and sisters
00:10:10.440 the jobs of their brothers and sisters which shows that they're looking at the person's genes
00:10:14.600 and this then comes to something we tweeted about which is something that a lot of people get wrong
00:10:18.580 is they think that they are taking an anti-racist position and they will argue for this because
00:10:23.980 they think it's anti-racist that iq isn't heritable in a way where it can change really quickly in the
00:10:29.700 human population they're like don't say that iq can change quickly that can lead to people thinking
00:10:33.420 racist things and it's no the opposite leads to people thinking racist things if iq can only change
00:10:38.740 over the period of a hundred thousand years if sociological profiles can only change over the period of a hundred thousand
00:10:44.740 years which is not what the science says but people like will ignore the science that they think it
00:10:48.260 supports i don't know like a political position they have so if that was true what it would mean
00:10:53.480 is that things like sociological profiles at the genetic level or iq at the genetic level which is
00:10:57.980 like highly genetic like this is just a mass agreed upon thing by science now just look up the wikipedia
00:11:02.140 article on this that it would be tied to ethnic groups in a persistent way if however it changes at the
00:11:08.200 level of two to three generations because ethnic groups don't change over two to three generations
00:11:11.820 then it's meaninglessly tied to ethnic groups meaninglessly in any sort of persistent format
00:11:16.600 and where you do see it end up maybe in the future being really tied to ethnic groups it's not due to
00:11:22.400 any virtue or vice of those ethnic groups it's just due to those ethnic groups being in certain countries
00:11:27.260 during the certain pressure periods so in the future when most of the world's geniuses are african
00:11:33.920 it won't be anything about africans as a final quick point if our species is successful we're going
00:11:41.720 to become an interplanetary species if we end up locked on earth almost certainly it's a it's an
00:11:47.480 in-case scenario for our species there's just few good scenarios in which we end up locked on earth
00:11:52.420 if we become an interstellar species given what we understand about physics now we're probably not
00:11:56.880 going to be able to travel faster than the speed of light and that means we will almost certainly end
00:12:00.960 up speciating between planets that being the case when we look forwards into what humanity becomes
00:12:08.340 the current differences between ethnic groups are next to irrelevant no matter how big you
00:12:15.780 conceivably argue they are thus ethnic differences really don't matter in any outcome in which our
00:12:22.500 species survives thus why would you consider your ethnicity when thinking about your self-identity
00:12:28.780 it's just not that important do you have any thoughts on this a lot of this just feels so
00:12:37.460 so arbitrary to me but there's groups that make major decisions around this like
00:12:43.220 people and during that entire chat they were just like racist racist racist and it makes no sense to
00:12:49.380 me and then major racist policy positions you can look what is a major racist policy position that's
00:12:54.560 out there so i think if you look at catholic integralists like you want to talk about something
00:12:58.060 that makes no sense to me nick flintes catholic integralists he's talking about our positions before
00:13:01.960 okay and and he i don't think he believes any of this he actually said one of the funniest thing
00:13:07.540 that he's oh all of this genetic stuff they think they can raise iq really quickly it was like genetic
00:13:12.820 testing and stuff like that if that was the case like somebody would have done it already it's bro this
00:13:17.900 technology like just became accessible the idea that traditionalism fixes things when our society is so
00:13:24.880 different from what it's ever been debt at the nation state level that's like an invention a massive
00:13:30.140 less like an invention of the 1970s like college debt when did that start like 70s 80s it definitely
00:13:35.040 wasn't true in like the 20s or 30 this is a new invention women working that's totally new at a
00:13:41.200 nation state like worldwide civilizational level so many aspects of how our economy and our society works
00:13:46.740 are just totally different it's not just the internet this entire structure is new and then that a
00:13:53.060 tradition that was optimized for an older structure would work in this just baffles me i do not see why
00:13:59.060 anyone would think that is the case but i can see why it's better than traditions that are just
00:14:05.120 created to maximize in the moment hedonism which i think most progressive traditions are they're just
00:14:09.340 like what can i believe that will cause me to accept the most other people to make the fewest hard
00:14:14.680 choices in life and that's what i'm going to believe and but don't hold on don't you think this maybe has
00:14:20.100 more to do with the fear of outgroups so when you did research on the tendencies of groups that are that
00:14:25.800 have higher fertility rates one of the characteristics that you found the most was a tendency toward fear
00:14:33.560 of outgroups in addition to authoritarianism societies so i think is scientific racism maybe it's a just
00:14:39.780 so attempt at justifying fear of outgroups and not so much any genuine yeah this is where it gets
00:14:46.120 interesting and i'm so glad you brought this up now before i finished my point on the catholic
00:14:49.540 integralism okay so people who don't know what catholic integralism is it's a belief it's a catholic
00:14:54.780 caliphate right that's yeah it's a catholic caliphate yeah they believe that the world should
00:14:58.760 exist under a single catholic monarchy and nick fuentes is an example of one of these but they're
00:15:03.620 actually pretty common among traditionalist conservatives in the u.s in the catholic group
00:15:08.940 and a lot of them have converted to this and it's an interesting ideological perspective like i actually
00:15:13.080 don't hold anything against this ideological perspective what is insane to me is this perspective
00:15:18.760 in this group has a really high overlap with the anti-immigration group with the one ethnicity one
00:15:26.100 culture one country group and it's what the immigrants are almost all catholic like we have a huge
00:15:31.800 disproportionate not almost all catholics but disproportionately immigrant groups are catholic
00:15:35.940 and if you believe in a what is a world under one monarchy it is a borderless society
00:15:42.040 so borders shouldn't really matter to you your entire objective is about expanding our borders
00:15:48.180 to be as broad as possible because eventually the world will be under a single monarchy so
00:15:53.380 why could it be maybe it's that the sort of desired caliphate of these different factions of catholicism
00:16:03.540 is different that the kind of all-encompassing governing structure that would come from like a latin
00:16:10.380 american derived caliphate is different from the ideal governing structure of a united states derived
00:16:18.040 caliphate and that it's a problem of cultural differences between north american south american
00:16:24.040 and european catholics what do you think i think you could be right but i think in showing that
00:16:30.260 catholicism takes pride in being one of the least derived religious traditions the older catholic
00:16:35.540 traditions were the most inclusive of different ethnic groups of all religious traditions in the
00:16:43.620 name of growth right in the not just in the name of growth in the name of ideology when they would often go
00:16:49.480 to new places they would bring in saints from these new ethnic and cultural groups so that they could
00:16:56.180 feel more included you are taking people from this new ousted economic group ethnic group and saying that
00:17:03.560 they are literally like the next thing down from like jesus and god are literally deified that means
00:17:09.940 they're above all of the other people in rome above the pope i think things are above the pope yeah
00:17:15.960 things are above the pope and yet they are the they're of like a indigenous mexican group or something
00:17:21.680 like that right this was something that the catholics did so historically the catholics were very much
00:17:25.760 about this lack of and you could say it was in the name of growth but what do the integralists want
00:17:31.580 if not growth they i think what it comes down to is and this is obviously a whole different can of
00:17:39.320 worms that we will open in another podcast but it comes down to how truth is defined and how
00:17:46.940 whether people can be saved and whether everyone needs to be saved so the reason why a caliphate or
00:17:53.940 whatever a theocracy is desired is because the understanding is that you can save people you should save as
00:18:00.960 many people as you can and therefore you know having your entire society governed by a religious
00:18:06.540 institution is desirable and i no i agree with that i just don't understand why a group that had that
00:18:12.760 perspective would also be against immigration of people of their own cultural group unless they
00:18:18.940 think that they're like genuinely less similar to them than like american protestants which i think that
00:18:25.080 may be the case i think that's stupid and it shows this is something i see across the conservative
00:18:30.520 tradition now is people don't fully internalize how culturally different protestant and catholic
00:18:36.460 groups are because they're on this or different protestant groups are from each other because
00:18:40.200 they're all on the same side of the cultural divide from the super virus now but i but i think
00:18:45.080 you're missing a beat with modern american catholicism which now has this alt-right dime square
00:18:50.520 faction like it's a lot of people are like converting to catholicism from a very different
00:18:57.320 it's like a it's no you're right about this a popsicle that's been dipped in like a strawberry
00:19:04.620 like ganache before being redipped in the catholic chocolate ganache so it is a different treat
00:19:10.120 what you're saying differently they are protestants they're culturally protestant they have recently
00:19:15.620 converted to calicism and they are cosplaying as catholics because they think it's like an older
00:19:20.340 or less derived or even atheists or an atheist yeah yeah and they think that it gives them some
00:19:26.820 sort of mandate to some sort of universalism that they were unable to get with their previous tradition
00:19:32.540 but they're not adopting all of the historic aspects of catholicism that made it so successful
00:19:38.000 which was its inclusiveness yeah yeah i hear you on that it's but it's just that's because it's not
00:19:45.460 catholicism as it was historically it's a it is a new thing and a new ideology but back to the point
00:19:53.380 that i was making about maybe scientific racism not really being about racism it being about fear of
00:20:01.300 outgroups and in our modern society there needs to be some narrative reason as to why we fear outgroups
00:20:07.780 aside from the fact that fearing outgroups correlates with higher fertility and helps with reducing
00:20:14.220 attrition which i think is why that persists and i should be clear she doesn't mean that these are
00:20:18.500 good things but what is true is if you look at current fertility rates fear of outgroups will
00:20:22.680 increase in the population because people who fear outgroups more have more kids both you see this
00:20:29.000 because pluralistic cultures and pluralistic countries more kids so like israel and the u.s have had the
00:20:33.420 highest resistance to prosperity induced fertility collapse while countries like korea where there's
00:20:37.180 no real outgroups within their country to be afraid of have some of the lowest fertility rates or
00:20:40.800 monolithic cultures but you also see and you see this across like if you look at wealthiest countries
00:20:45.460 with low fertility rates are often very like monocultural mono-ethnic but also you see this
00:20:50.020 within groups where people who are more xenophobic or more racist typically have more kids and you see
00:20:55.100 this across cultural traditions it's not you see this muslims who are more xenophobic have more kids
00:20:59.500 christians who are more xenophobic have more kids jews who are more xenophobic have more kids
00:21:03.260 and this just means that across the world we are going to see an increase in fear about groups
00:21:06.500 which yeah touche it is a successful strategy in that regards so i guess you could say that is
00:21:14.520 why it's increasing but it like and logically doesn't make sense and that's why i say it's a
00:21:18.880 midwit perspective is that a lot of people pretend like they're arguing from it from like a logical
00:21:23.280 perspective like a historical or genetic perspective when it's just even if currently there were like
00:21:31.580 genetic differences and sociological or iqs between ethnic groups it would be meaningless in the hundred
00:21:38.440 year time span and that's the thing that's really pointless about it it's just doesn't matter anymore
00:21:44.060 and so i think that what we need to do is begin to as a culture you can still have out groups like
00:21:51.960 out groups you can have ideological out groups you can hate and fear the people who are ideologically
00:21:56.740 different from you who are trying to take your kids and convert them to their way of seeing the
00:22:03.820 world because you know what i promise you if i with europeans i like you know we sometimes talk
00:22:08.180 to conservative europeans and they're like oh but you don't understand like the situation we have
00:22:12.620 with muslims is very different than the situation you have in the u.s you can't be as pro-muslim as you
00:22:16.480 are or whatever and it's bro the muslims aren't the ones who are trying to take your kids from you
00:22:21.340 okay they're not the ones trying to convert your kids to hate you okay your kids are not gonna they
00:22:27.780 are just as afraid of the people who are being predatory on your group as you are because those
00:22:34.700 groups the reason they're accepting them as immigrants is because they don't have kids and so
00:22:38.960 they replace their ranks with immigrant kids just as much as they do of kids of people who are born in
00:22:44.720 the country you guys have a common enemy and that enemy is equally preying on both of you
00:22:51.120 we can come together in people who understand that our core goal is ideologically continuing into the
00:22:59.280 future our diverse cultural groups and who have the same problem which is these groups that don't have
00:23:07.240 kids that can only survive by preying on our kids and this isn't an ethnic thing this is an
00:23:13.660 ideological thing if we actually do what we're trying or one of the things that we're trying to do in
00:23:19.500 the pragmatist guided crafting religion is to help people understand that it is much more healthy and
00:23:27.300 much more accurate to take pride in your religious traditions and in your recent cultural groups instead of
00:23:37.880 seeing the world in terms of ethnic cultural groups because religious traditions have often derived
00:23:43.360 much more recently from each other and therefore with sociological profiles concentrating over very
00:23:49.600 short periods of time what is much more interesting and meaningful differentiation between things like
00:23:55.580 quaker groups and calvinist groups and catholic groups and evangelical groups regardless of ethnic
00:24:01.200 tradition if you're talking about these sort of genetic selection events and i think that's really
00:24:07.240 interesting in that one it more aligns with the evidence but then two it also says that these are things
00:24:12.160 that are constantly in flux and constantly changing and that's why one of the things that people kept
00:24:17.500 trying to get you to say on this podcast that you are on is that you're against race mixing this oh we're
00:24:22.280 very pro race mixing why would we go do you want to go into your stance on race mixing i i just don't have i
00:24:31.440 don't see why it would matter what matters is cultural compatibility and i don't even have what matters is that
00:24:38.120 you're then creating a new group you're increasing diversity if you're doing that you're creating a
00:24:42.840 new social experiment and if that social experiment doesn't work then that person won't end up having
00:24:47.740 kids but if it does work well then you have a cultural group that might be more resistant to the
00:24:52.980 super virus it might be a better ally of all of us in the future all of us who have kids and want to
00:25:01.140 continue our cultures into the future against those groups that survive entirely by being parasitic
00:25:07.280 but we argue even more more important by that argument than racial or ethnic mixing is cultural
00:25:13.600 mixing yeah that's where you really get innovation so for me i don't know they're probably like if
00:25:18.440 we're talking about different genetic traits coming together like maybe if one collection of genetic
00:25:24.880 traits mixes with a different collection of genetic traits you end up combining everyone's worst
00:25:30.160 heritable factors and it's not good or maybe you get all the best ones and it is good i don't know
00:25:34.760 like i'm not in a position to say which broad collections of heritable traits are well paired
00:25:40.960 but i i just don't really think it matters again in the face of things like embryo selection and in
00:25:46.040 the face of things like crisper yeah and in how quickly all of these things change totally yeah
00:25:52.140 that they shift over just you can get a standard deviation shift in iq in 75 years yeah that is
00:25:58.340 mental um it seems all pretty pointless yeah but yeah i think i do think it's interesting that the
00:26:07.100 what most people think they see i think especially those who are race realists is that like at the
00:26:14.660 very bottom of the smart spectrum are like just the racists who are like i guess old-fashioned
00:26:20.700 racists like we just hate them because they're an out group which actually i think we've just argued
00:26:24.680 is the real reason why the scientific racists hate or are scientific racists and then you have
00:26:30.400 this like group that really is anti-racism and they're apparently midwits and then the very smart
00:26:36.120 people are scientific racists because they understand like the real differences and i don't
00:26:41.820 again i still really struggle they can see through the program they can yes but then i think what
00:26:46.540 we're trying to argue is no it's actually like a full circle and you actually just have problems
00:26:51.440 without groups so stop trying to justify your piece yeah the current understanding of genetics
00:26:56.580 doesn't back that i think another thing i want to say and this helps understand why i'm so
00:27:01.240 antagonistic to progressives that say because we do believe that between families not between
00:27:07.880 asset groups but between families there are genetic differences and things that can give you an
00:27:11.000 advantage in the workplace like height IQ stuff like that anxiety depression so with that being the
00:27:18.360 case when people are like oh we can't allow for genetic screening of embryos and stuff like that
00:27:24.760 we can't allow for you to make this cheaper we can't allow for you to make this affordable because
00:27:28.500 if like the genetic purity of humanity was interrupted with your weird science first of all and this is a
00:27:35.500 view that progressives always take you're arguing for like maintaining genetic purity of humans that are
00:27:40.180 like you yeah you're the bad guy also you because science like brought height is heredible like we
00:27:47.700 know this right IQ is heredible we know this this is like something that is just not really disagreed
00:27:51.880 upon that being the case if you don't allow us to make this technology affordable then what you're
00:27:57.140 doing is baking in the existing systemic inequalities of our society yeah you're saying this works for me
00:28:03.900 at a family level like why are you doing that why do you think that makes you the good guy
00:28:08.260 oh i know it's because you've benefited from them because you're at the top of your local social
00:28:13.660 hierarchies you've gotten your fancy degree because you happen to get the right roll of the dice at the
00:28:19.680 right time and you want to preserve that for people who are like you and that's the end of the real game
00:28:26.600 and i see it everyone sees it you are also racist you progressive turd who says that we shouldn't make
00:28:35.440 this technology more accessible which actually democratizes the field of the most persistent
00:28:40.540 form of genuine inequality in our society which is genetic differences that families didn't choose
00:28:45.900 for their kids but you might be saying but some groups will still choose not to have access to this
00:28:50.740 even if you make this cheap i don't see you complaining about the kids of jehovah's witnesses
00:28:55.540 dying more because they're luddites about technology and they don't give their kids like blood transfusions
00:29:00.100 or something that's the way that all the groups are that just choose not to engage with technology
00:29:05.260 but we should at least give everyone the shot of a blood transfusion if it can be made cheap and for
00:29:10.620 everyone which is the crazy thing about these genetic technologies is they intrinsically are so easy to
00:29:16.200 make cheap because you're just comparing things to spreadsheets and and this is where it gets really
00:29:21.000 interesting for me is that we are entering a new world where there are groups of people who want
00:29:30.380 to maintain the systemic advantages that they've gotten and this is something i really believe i think
00:29:34.780 that right now the people who go out there because you can look at the advantage and you know that a large
00:29:40.320 portion of iq is heritable and and these people who have achieved success in our society and they go and
00:29:46.160 try to look so cool by being like iq is inheritable everyone has an equal playing field i don't these
00:29:52.720 will be seen the same way that we today see people who in the past were saying oh i don't see race
00:30:00.980 a white person who's become successful in part because they're white because they had an easier
00:30:05.120 time with fewer systemic discrimination against them no pretending you don't see the advantages that
00:30:10.700 you've had over other people whether it's height or iq now again none of this is ethnically linked
00:30:15.820 in any sort of a meaningful way but it's the same and that it is not virtuous to pretend you don't
00:30:22.220 see the advantages you have over other people and it is definitely not virtuous to prevent people like
00:30:28.220 us who are trying to narrow the playing field who are trying to allow for some sort of true equality
00:30:34.060 in our society who are trying to allow for families to make these reproductive choices for themselves
00:30:38.580 that is not a virtuous position that is not a progressive position what it is of a position
00:30:44.160 towards preserving the existing power hierarchy of which you are a beneficiary and pretending like
00:30:50.140 you don't see all the advantages you've had in life i'm going to push back and i will say
00:30:55.320 i don't think that people neither those who said i don't see race nor those who say things aren't
00:31:03.440 heritable yesterday and today do so with a desire to keep things the way that they are i think they do
00:31:11.180 so out of performative virtue signaling just trying to show how very enlightened they are a culture can
00:31:16.520 do something for a reason even if individuals don't do something for a reason and so i will be
00:31:22.180 generous to you most of these people are too stupid to think about the implications of what they're
00:31:26.900 actually doing while they may be smarter than the general population and have some ability that got
00:31:31.660 them into their phd at harvard they're dumb enough or they are narrow-minded enough or maybe even worse
00:31:37.640 in being stupid they've never genuinely thought through the implications of their actions they're
00:31:42.780 just following orders from the existing hierarchy the existing society has gone through many different
00:31:49.440 groups that have maintained control different religious traditions etc that they've maintained
00:31:53.100 control of society and there's a group of smart sort of whatever people who just pathologically
00:31:59.980 obey the order and they go and they kill galileo because he's saying oh thing look at what the data
00:32:06.940 actually says and then there's some people who just will for fun try to do things that are against
00:32:12.800 the orthodoxy when the church controlled everything these were the people who were like into black magic
00:32:17.640 and the occult and stuff like that where it was like a form of pseudoscience that gained traction just
00:32:23.640 because it was anti-orthodoxy but then there were other people who were like hey you should really take a
00:32:27.880 look at this evolution thing you should really take a look at this heliocentrism thing and they were
00:32:33.960 persecuted because they were going against the orthodoxy because there is a certain mindset and
00:32:39.040 so you're trying to get me to say it's not really their fault it is their fault they have sublimated
00:32:45.260 the long term even from their own perspective benefit of society which is from their perspective
00:32:51.620 often increasing equality lowering emotional pain which by the way is something we can select
00:32:55.980 again swiss crisper but the very things that they claim to be against where we can at a genetic level
00:33:03.580 make people less susceptible to things like a major depressive disorder so that they are willing to
00:33:10.040 ignore those long-term benefits to society even from their own perspective just so that they can
00:33:14.560 maintain their position within the existing hierarchy just so that they don't rock the boat
00:33:18.180 and this there's this guy adam rutherford he's some famous geneticist who is always attacking us on
00:33:23.540 twitter um not a real geneticist a pseudo geneticist but he just is so interested in supporting the
00:33:28.760 orthodoxy and you can see it in his hypocrisy he is against us genetically selecting against our
00:33:35.160 embryos that may have things like cancer and stuff like that right that have a higher probability of that
00:33:39.840 but he absolutely supports and would fight to his dying breath the right of a woman to abort a baby
00:33:47.100 that was found to have something wrong with it in the womb so why does he hold these two
00:33:54.560 obviously insanely contradictory views because one of them is a progressive orthodoxy and gets him
00:34:00.780 little points with the minions and the other is some new idea that people haven't adapted to yet
00:34:07.520 so he's gonna fight it because he doesn't actually care about anything he says he cares about
00:34:13.720 he cares about power and that is it and that is what these people who have gained power within the
00:34:20.820 academic institutions care about they care about power and nothing else not about the suffering not
00:34:26.220 about the systemic inequality not about any of the long-term damage they're doing to society
00:34:30.580 am i being too spicy i think passion is very welcome in this household so you're not going to get
00:34:38.760 me complaining but it's yeah i don't disagree with you i uh i like to think that everyone is acting
00:34:46.300 in well-intentioned ways that they're doing the best they can with the information they have
00:34:51.220 and that culture like you say is more faultier yes and i disagree with you i think that everyone
00:34:56.880 wants to believe they're acting in well-intentioned ways but some people are willing to peer through
00:35:02.720 the societal punishment they get for going for saying things that aren't mainstream
00:35:06.880 the emotional pain that's required to admit that the world isn't fair as it's structured now
00:35:11.940 to get to the other side and say okay if it turns out that different families have different levels
00:35:18.320 of like genetic iq how can we make this better instead of saying i won't accept that because
00:35:22.520 that would mean the world is unfair and then i have to deal with something hard yes in a way they
00:35:27.300 are trying to be the good guys but they are trying to be the good guys so they can see themselves as
00:35:32.200 the good guys not because they're actually trying to optimize for a better world they believe
00:35:36.420 they're trying to optimize for a better world but it's because they stop at every single idea
00:35:40.900 that may cause them to have to give up any of the societal power they've accumulated or face any
00:35:46.700 emotional pain you're probably not not wrong but i appreciate that you always try to see the best in
00:35:53.300 people you are such a kind-hearted person and this is why you tolerate a beast like me no i think it's
00:36:02.560 that i can't read other people so i don't know what they're doing i i love these conversations i love
00:36:07.980 talking with you so much so thanks this was fun definitely clarified some of my views on the new
00:36:14.920 sort of scientific racism movement that seems to be boiling up so interesting thanks for that
00:36:20.000 so but here's the thing about scientific racism again they're just as bad as the other group because
00:36:25.120 if they stopped their ridiculous teen politics and actually looked at the data they keep banding
00:36:30.480 around around polygenic markers for iq how quickly those things can change how quickly they're being
00:36:35.900 selected for in society they would realize how pointless thinking about any of this in terms of
00:36:40.360 ethnic groups is it literally doesn't align with their own data things change too fast for there to
00:36:47.260 be persistent meaningful differences in ethnic groups there you have it people don't think through
00:36:54.460 things very well but that's a pervasive problem and a fault of humanity at least we'll be at least
00:37:00.960 we'll be skewered by both the left and the right for this take thank goodness i'll see you later
00:37:07.600 gorgeous yeah this was fun