Based Camp - June 01, 2023


Based Camp： ＂Scientific＂ Racism is for Midwits (as is Ethno-Nationalism)

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Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
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Nick Fuentes
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In this episode, we discuss scientific racism and why it is such a dumb perspective, if not actively stupid, if you're actually looking at the data. We discuss why this form of racism is so dumb and why we need to do something about it.

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00:00:00.000 would you like to know more hello malcolm hello simone i see you have changed up your outfit
00:00:08.560 one of my favorite accusations because you know people always make fun of our looks
00:00:12.640 is that you look like a villain from an indiana jones movie and i'm like yeah those villains are
00:00:20.200 hot unfortunately they're also often racist and so this is going to be a spicy episode because
00:00:28.460 we are going to talk about racism specifically scientific racism which i think is a
00:00:34.760 scientific racism which i think is a more common topic these days and why it is such a midwit 0.95
00:00:41.260 perspective if not actively stupid if you're actually looking at the data so first i'm going
00:00:46.140 to define what specifically we're arguing against here or what we're saying is pretty midwit is 0.95
00:00:53.660 people who argue for there being persistent genetic differences in competence sociological profiles
00:01:05.640 or iq between ethnic groups and that social or personal decisions should be based on these
00:01:15.320 so it's similar to what we would consider like evil eugenics which is that it makes a judgment call
00:01:24.180 about certain traits being good or bad and it also makes a judgment call about society on a broad level
00:01:31.020 needing to do something about that right no very specifically it doesn't i think that makes it too
00:01:36.580 narrow and too easy to argue against if you take those positions it just argues that there are persistent
00:01:41.620 differences okay then policies should take these persistent differences into account because i want
00:01:47.740 to argue on harder mode right i want to i don't want to take such an easy perspective as that one
00:01:52.400 so where this really came up is you were doing a podcast and people kept trying to find out if you were
00:01:56.960 jewish and they kept tweeting like jew knows and stuff like that i'm grouping anti-semitism in with racism
00:02:02.740 here because when you're talking about scientific racism these groups are often very aligned and first i think
00:02:09.460 it is very weird that these groups get grouped together by people in scientific racist communities
00:02:14.800 because like presumably these communities also believe that jews are like smarter than other groups
00:02:21.120 so why would they be making fun of me for marrying someone if she might be jewish which by the way simone
00:02:26.400 is not genetically jewish i am genetically culturally jewish what i mean is your jewish genes might make up like
00:02:34.720 one eighth of your genes but they are matrilineal so they are culturally jewish but if being jewish gave 0.92
00:02:43.020 you some sort of genetic advantage you wouldn't have that so let's talk about the manipul of reasons 0.89
00:02:49.480 why this form of racism is so dumb so first is it comes from the groups that primarily hold this form 0.85
00:02:57.200 of racism right so they're like okay iq is hereditary which it is like the data just says iq is hereditary 0.97
00:03:03.340 the thing that they miss is how hereditary iq is which is extremely hereditary and there's high
00:03:13.120 differentiation between people within ethnic groups why this matters is you get really fast drift
00:03:23.140 to the extent that you can't make meaningful judgments around this so for example you look at like
00:03:30.460 first generation nigerians in the us right like they have higher iq than the white population
00:03:35.400 why is it why are they out economically performing the white population right it's because there is 0.98
00:03:40.640 huge variation within any sort of ethnic group and if you're just saying oh well look at averages
00:03:45.240 and then we'll apply these averages across large populations you don't get really meaningful
00:03:50.960 information worse if you actually look at the rate at which iq is changing in the developed world
00:03:58.840 right now and this is specific to the developed world so you can look at the amount to which iq is
00:04:03.740 hereditary and you can look at how quickly this is changing so you can look at the polygenic markers
00:04:08.260 associated with iq and not only see that people who have these polygenic markers are having less kids
00:04:12.860 but you can look in biobanks of samples taken from different times and seeing that these polygenic
00:04:18.240 markers are appearing at lower rates you can also look at iq as in developed countries and see that it's
00:04:22.780 also declining and if you look across these metrics so just basically however you measure this you see this
00:04:28.000 decline you're looking at about one standard deviation decline in iq in the developed world
00:04:32.140 within about 75 years so that means if there are going to be persistent like really meaningful
00:04:39.580 ethnic differences in iq all of the geniuses are going to be in africa in 100 years
00:04:44.520 hey like they're going to be weighted towards africa assuming the developed world doesn't get this
00:04:50.860 under control somehow given their broad resistance to like polygenic risk score screening they're not
00:04:56.220 going to so what's interesting is there are going to be really big iq differences between ethnic groups
00:05:03.940 they just don't exist right now they're going to occur and they're going to be predominantly weighted
00:05:09.880 towards the african groups and again this is again why i say like the recent stuff like the reason i use
00:05:15.820 the nigerian population is the african-american group and the white american group are both equally at
00:05:22.420 risk or whatever word you want to use from this rapid iq decline in developed countries you're
00:05:27.600 seeing it at equal rates across all ethnic groups in these countries it just so happens that the way
00:05:34.000 we have set up the world whether it's due to colonialism or whatever reason you think it's due to
00:05:38.640 the poorest countries in the world the few countries that aren't dealing with rapid decline due to
00:05:44.340 demographic collapse are predominantly in africa meaning that the people who are in these environments
00:05:49.700 where you don't have these selective pressures against iq are going to be predominantly black in
00:05:54.680 ethnicity even if you're looking at this from like a geneticist perspective if you look within africa
00:06:00.720 the genetic differences in groups are just so much better they're so different that they dwarf any
00:06:07.080 genetic difference you're talking about of all other people across the world so you're looking at more
00:06:11.440 differences within african groups so one group in africa versus another group in africa they will
00:06:17.260 typically like on average have more genetic difference than your average european and asian
00:06:22.720 or native american in other words if you were making ethnic groups from the world's population based on
00:06:28.160 how genetically different groups were and you broke down the world into 10 ethnic groups one of those 0.66
00:06:33.820 groups would include europeans asians jews and native americans and the other nine would all be
00:06:39.860 different african groups the way even quote unquote scientific racists often talk about race divides
00:06:46.580 ethnic groups by their recent historical context not their actual genetic difference and distance
00:06:52.880 which is what you would be doing if this was all about genes to you so it's hard to group these
00:06:59.600 populations in any way that you can meaningfully make decisions around but here's the real big point 0.99
00:07:06.520 here and this is unfortunately why racism is so stupid today oh then you're going to talk about 0.99
00:07:11.760 reprotech right reprotech right let's talk about it no you go ahead i'm like watching you rant on this 0.99
00:07:19.540 okay you like watching me rant okay so this is where you get into reprotechs okay you believe all
00:07:25.040 of this stuff is genetically linked and blah blah blah unfortunately you then would also know how close
00:07:30.940 we are to human crisper you would know that we can genetically select among embryos and how quickly
00:07:35.680 that will change the genetic iq of a certain subgroup of the population um and unfortunately
00:07:42.760 what all of this shows is that and we go into the mass of this in the pragmatist guy to crafting
00:07:49.080 religion is that if you were to do crisper with a knowledge of where iq is on the human chain within
00:07:55.560 one generation you could get iq up eight standard deviations i have mentioned this in other podcasts
00:08:03.600 but i just think this is just such a stunning statistic q in the future will be predominantly
00:08:08.760 a differentiation of the people who chose to engage in the cultures that chose to engage was
00:08:14.140 reprotech and ones that didn't to the extent that even if there were differences in iq between ethnic
00:08:21.780 groups it will be completely irrelevant within two or three generations to those who are technophilic
00:08:27.160 no because those technophilic will be the ones who are competing in the economy at higher rates and
00:08:31.300 everything like that and they will be from all ethnic groups at least if our foundation has anything
00:08:35.320 to say about it of course our foundation is doing is trying to make this technology so cheap that
00:08:39.100 anyone can access or if it's not so cheap that anyone can access it to ensure that there are people
00:08:45.020 who will fund it so that anyone can access it because then you have the problem of only the rich
00:08:49.580 people are using this tech and that causes other problems in terms of the lack of diversity in
00:08:52.960 the future but the point being is that you have these people these white supremacists and stuff like that
00:08:58.080 and it's like look at history so what all of these differences are going to be irrelevant in three
00:09:04.100 generations if they exist at all so why would you take any pride in your ethnic group i mean a few 0.99
00:09:10.760 different generations that ethnic group is going to be virtually the same as all other ethnic groups
00:09:18.040 when contrasted with humans who are engaging with reprotech technology and you can say we'll ban this
00:09:25.000 technology no what you'll do is you'll ban it for poor people and rich people will travel to other
00:09:31.580 countries and have it done and that's freaking evil and then you'll be like no we'll find a super
00:09:36.100 special way where like my country will ban it for both the poor and the good luck with that but okay
00:09:41.840 even if you do that then what then some other countries won't ban it and they'll get the genetic
00:09:46.640 advantage over you and you can look at the countries we can already tell from the statistics the
00:09:50.260 countries that won't ban it i can say right now there'll be india that won't ban it which is really
00:09:53.740 they're super pro yeah they're even pro crisper and humans like on national polls and stuff like that
00:09:58.660 it makes sense so in india within dating markets they actually often ask not just about the person
00:10:05.900 that they are choosing to marry but also they look at the income of like their brothers and sisters
00:10:10.440 the jobs of their brothers and sisters which shows that they're looking at the person's genes
00:10:14.600 and this then comes to something we tweeted about which is something that a lot of people get wrong
00:10:18.580 is they think that they are taking an anti-racist position and they will argue for this because
00:10:23.980 they think it's anti-racist that iq isn't heritable in a way where it can change really quickly in the
00:10:29.700 human population they're like don't say that iq can change quickly that can lead to people thinking
00:10:33.420 racist things and it's no the opposite leads to people thinking racist things if iq can only change
00:10:38.740 over the period of a hundred thousand years if sociological profiles can only change over the period of a hundred thousand
00:10:44.740 years which is not what the science says but people like will ignore the science that they think it
00:10:48.260 supports i don't know like a political position they have so if that was true what it would mean
00:10:53.480 is that things like sociological profiles at the genetic level or iq at the genetic level which is
00:10:57.980 like highly genetic like this is just a mass agreed upon thing by science now just look up the wikipedia
00:11:02.140 article on this that it would be tied to ethnic groups in a persistent way if however it changes at the
00:11:08.200 level of two to three generations because ethnic groups don't change over two to three generations
00:11:11.820 then it's meaninglessly tied to ethnic groups meaninglessly in any sort of persistent format
00:11:16.600 and where you do see it end up maybe in the future being really tied to ethnic groups it's not due to
00:11:22.400 any virtue or vice of those ethnic groups it's just due to those ethnic groups being in certain countries 1.00
00:11:27.260 during the certain pressure periods so in the future when most of the world's geniuses are african 0.99
00:11:33.920 it won't be anything about africans as a final quick point if our species is successful we're going
00:11:41.720 to become an interplanetary species if we end up locked on earth almost certainly it's a it's an
00:11:47.480 in-case scenario for our species there's just few good scenarios in which we end up locked on earth
00:11:52.420 if we become an interstellar species given what we understand about physics now we're probably not
00:11:56.880 going to be able to travel faster than the speed of light and that means we will almost certainly end
00:12:00.960 up speciating between planets that being the case when we look forwards into what humanity becomes
00:12:08.340 the current differences between ethnic groups are next to irrelevant no matter how big you
00:12:15.780 conceivably argue they are thus ethnic differences really don't matter in any outcome in which our
00:12:22.500 species survives thus why would you consider your ethnicity when thinking about your self-identity
00:12:28.780 it's just not that important do you have any thoughts on this a lot of this just feels so
00:12:37.460 so arbitrary to me but there's groups that make major decisions around this like
00:12:43.220 people and during that entire chat they were just like racist racist racist and it makes no sense to
00:12:49.380 me and then major racist policy positions you can look what is a major racist policy position that's
00:12:54.560 out there so i think if you look at catholic integralists like you want to talk about something
00:12:58.060 that makes no sense to me nick flintes catholic integralists he's talking about our positions before
00:13:01.960 okay and and he i don't think he believes any of this he actually said one of the funniest thing
00:13:07.540 that he's oh all of this genetic stuff they think they can raise iq really quickly it was like genetic
00:13:12.820 testing and stuff like that if that was the case like somebody would have done it already it's bro this
00:13:17.900 technology like just became accessible the idea that traditionalism fixes things when our society is so
00:13:24.880 different from what it's ever been debt at the nation state level that's like an invention a massive
00:13:30.140 less like an invention of the 1970s like college debt when did that start like 70s 80s it definitely
00:13:35.040 wasn't true in like the 20s or 30 this is a new invention women working that's totally new at a 1.00
00:13:41.200 nation state like worldwide civilizational level so many aspects of how our economy and our society works
00:13:46.740 are just totally different it's not just the internet this entire structure is new and then that a
00:13:53.060 tradition that was optimized for an older structure would work in this just baffles me i do not see why
00:13:59.060 anyone would think that is the case but i can see why it's better than traditions that are just
00:14:05.120 created to maximize in the moment hedonism which i think most progressive traditions are they're just
00:14:09.340 like what can i believe that will cause me to accept the most other people to make the fewest hard
00:14:14.680 choices in life and that's what i'm going to believe and but don't hold on don't you think this maybe has
00:14:20.100 more to do with the fear of outgroups so when you did research on the tendencies of groups that are that
00:14:25.800 have higher fertility rates one of the characteristics that you found the most was a tendency toward fear
00:14:33.560 of outgroups in addition to authoritarianism societies so i think is scientific racism maybe it's a just
00:14:39.780 so attempt at justifying fear of outgroups and not so much any genuine yeah this is where it gets
00:14:46.120 interesting and i'm so glad you brought this up now before i finished my point on the catholic
00:14:49.540 integralism okay so people who don't know what catholic integralism is it's a belief it's a catholic
00:14:54.780 caliphate right that's yeah it's a catholic caliphate yeah they believe that the world should 0.99
00:14:58.760 exist under a single catholic monarchy and nick fuentes is an example of one of these but they're
00:15:03.620 actually pretty common among traditionalist conservatives in the u.s in the catholic group
00:15:08.940 and a lot of them have converted to this and it's an interesting ideological perspective like i actually
00:15:13.080 don't hold anything against this ideological perspective what is insane to me is this perspective
00:15:18.760 in this group has a really high overlap with the anti-immigration group with the one ethnicity one
00:15:26.100 culture one country group and it's what the immigrants are almost all catholic like we have a huge
00:15:31.800 disproportionate not almost all catholics but disproportionately immigrant groups are catholic
00:15:35.940 and if you believe in a what is a world under one monarchy it is a borderless society
00:15:42.040 so borders shouldn't really matter to you your entire objective is about expanding our borders
00:15:48.180 to be as broad as possible because eventually the world will be under a single monarchy so
00:15:53.380 why could it be maybe it's that the sort of desired caliphate of these different factions of catholicism
00:16:03.540 is different that the kind of all-encompassing governing structure that would come from like a latin
00:16:10.380 american derived caliphate is different from the ideal governing structure of a united states derived
00:16:18.040 caliphate and that it's a problem of cultural differences between north american south american
00:16:24.040 and european catholics what do you think i think you could be right but i think in showing that
00:16:30.260 catholicism takes pride in being one of the least derived religious traditions the older catholic
00:16:35.540 traditions were the most inclusive of different ethnic groups of all religious traditions in the
00:16:43.620 name of growth right in the not just in the name of growth in the name of ideology when they would often go
00:16:49.480 to new places they would bring in saints from these new ethnic and cultural groups so that they could
00:16:56.180 feel more included you are taking people from this new ousted economic group ethnic group and saying that
00:17:03.560 they are literally like the next thing down from like jesus and god are literally deified that means
00:17:09.940 they're above all of the other people in rome above the pope i think things are above the pope yeah
00:17:15.960 things are above the pope and yet they are the they're of like a indigenous mexican group or something
00:17:21.680 like that right this was something that the catholics did so historically the catholics were very much
00:17:25.760 about this lack of and you could say it was in the name of growth but what do the integralists want
00:17:31.580 if not growth they i think what it comes down to is and this is obviously a whole different can of
00:17:39.320 worms that we will open in another podcast but it comes down to how truth is defined and how
00:17:46.940 whether people can be saved and whether everyone needs to be saved so the reason why a caliphate or
00:17:53.940 whatever a theocracy is desired is because the understanding is that you can save people you should save as
00:18:00.960 many people as you can and therefore you know having your entire society governed by a religious 0.96
00:18:06.540 institution is desirable and i no i agree with that i just don't understand why a group that had that
00:18:12.760 perspective would also be against immigration of people of their own cultural group unless they
00:18:18.940 think that they're like genuinely less similar to them than like american protestants which i think that 0.94
00:18:25.080 may be the case i think that's stupid and it shows this is something i see across the conservative 0.70
00:18:30.520 tradition now is people don't fully internalize how culturally different protestant and catholic 0.95
00:18:36.460 groups are because they're on this or different protestant groups are from each other because
00:18:40.200 they're all on the same side of the cultural divide from the super virus now but i but i think
00:18:45.080 you're missing a beat with modern american catholicism which now has this alt-right dime square
00:18:50.520 faction like it's a lot of people are like converting to catholicism from a very different
00:18:57.320 it's like a it's no you're right about this a popsicle that's been dipped in like a strawberry
00:19:04.620 like ganache before being redipped in the catholic chocolate ganache so it is a different treat
00:19:10.120 what you're saying differently they are protestants they're culturally protestant they have recently
00:19:15.620 converted to calicism and they are cosplaying as catholics because they think it's like an older
00:19:20.340 or less derived or even atheists or an atheist yeah yeah and they think that it gives them some
00:19:26.820 sort of mandate to some sort of universalism that they were unable to get with their previous tradition
00:19:32.540 but they're not adopting all of the historic aspects of catholicism that made it so successful
00:19:38.000 which was its inclusiveness yeah yeah i hear you on that it's but it's just that's because it's not
00:19:45.460 catholicism as it was historically it's a it is a new thing and a new ideology but back to the point
00:19:53.380 that i was making about maybe scientific racism not really being about racism it being about fear of
00:20:01.300 outgroups and in our modern society there needs to be some narrative reason as to why we fear outgroups
00:20:07.780 aside from the fact that fearing outgroups correlates with higher fertility and helps with reducing
00:20:14.220 attrition which i think is why that persists and i should be clear she doesn't mean that these are
00:20:18.500 good things but what is true is if you look at current fertility rates fear of outgroups will
00:20:22.680 increase in the population because people who fear outgroups more have more kids both you see this
00:20:29.000 because pluralistic cultures and pluralistic countries more kids so like israel and the u.s have had the
00:20:33.420 highest resistance to prosperity induced fertility collapse while countries like korea where there's
00:20:37.180 no real outgroups within their country to be afraid of have some of the lowest fertility rates or
00:20:40.800 monolithic cultures but you also see and you see this across like if you look at wealthiest countries
00:20:45.460 with low fertility rates are often very like monocultural mono-ethnic but also you see this
00:20:50.020 within groups where people who are more xenophobic or more racist typically have more kids and you see
00:20:55.100 this across cultural traditions it's not you see this muslims who are more xenophobic have more kids 0.62
00:20:59.500 christians who are more xenophobic have more kids jews who are more xenophobic have more kids 0.93
00:21:03.260 and this just means that across the world we are going to see an increase in fear about groups
00:21:06.500 which yeah touche it is a successful strategy in that regards so i guess you could say that is
00:21:14.520 why it's increasing but it like and logically doesn't make sense and that's why i say it's a
00:21:18.880 midwit perspective is that a lot of people pretend like they're arguing from it from like a logical
00:21:23.280 perspective like a historical or genetic perspective when it's just even if currently there were like
00:21:31.580 genetic differences and sociological or iqs between ethnic groups it would be meaningless in the hundred
00:21:38.440 year time span and that's the thing that's really pointless about it it's just doesn't matter anymore
00:21:44.060 and so i think that what we need to do is begin to as a culture you can still have out groups like
00:21:51.960 out groups you can have ideological out groups you can hate and fear the people who are ideologically
00:21:56.740 different from you who are trying to take your kids and convert them to their way of seeing the
00:22:03.820 world because you know what i promise you if i with europeans i like you know we sometimes talk
00:22:08.180 to conservative europeans and they're like oh but you don't understand like the situation we have
00:22:12.620 with muslims is very different than the situation you have in the u.s you can't be as pro-muslim as you 0.95
00:22:16.480 are or whatever and it's bro the muslims aren't the ones who are trying to take your kids from you
00:22:21.340 okay they're not the ones trying to convert your kids to hate you okay your kids are not gonna they 0.72
00:22:27.780 are just as afraid of the people who are being predatory on your group as you are because those
00:22:34.700 groups the reason they're accepting them as immigrants is because they don't have kids and so 0.74
00:22:38.960 they replace their ranks with immigrant kids just as much as they do of kids of people who are born in 0.97
00:22:44.720 the country you guys have a common enemy and that enemy is equally preying on both of you
00:22:51.120 we can come together in people who understand that our core goal is ideologically continuing into the
00:22:59.280 future our diverse cultural groups and who have the same problem which is these groups that don't have
00:23:07.240 kids that can only survive by preying on our kids and this isn't an ethnic thing this is an
00:23:13.660 ideological thing if we actually do what we're trying or one of the things that we're trying to do in
00:23:19.500 the pragmatist guided crafting religion is to help people understand that it is much more healthy and
00:23:27.300 much more accurate to take pride in your religious traditions and in your recent cultural groups instead of
00:23:37.880 seeing the world in terms of ethnic cultural groups because religious traditions have often derived
00:23:43.360 much more recently from each other and therefore with sociological profiles concentrating over very
00:23:49.600 short periods of time what is much more interesting and meaningful differentiation between things like
00:23:55.580 quaker groups and calvinist groups and catholic groups and evangelical groups regardless of ethnic
00:24:01.200 tradition if you're talking about these sort of genetic selection events and i think that's really
00:24:07.240 interesting in that one it more aligns with the evidence but then two it also says that these are things
00:24:12.160 that are constantly in flux and constantly changing and that's why one of the things that people kept
00:24:17.500 trying to get you to say on this podcast that you are on is that you're against race mixing this oh we're
00:24:22.280 very pro race mixing why would we go do you want to go into your stance on race mixing i i just don't have i
00:24:31.440 don't see why it would matter what matters is cultural compatibility and i don't even have what matters is that
00:24:38.120 you're then creating a new group you're increasing diversity if you're doing that you're creating a
00:24:42.840 new social experiment and if that social experiment doesn't work then that person won't end up having
00:24:47.740 kids but if it does work well then you have a cultural group that might be more resistant to the
00:24:52.980 super virus it might be a better ally of all of us in the future all of us who have kids and want to
00:25:01.140 continue our cultures into the future against those groups that survive entirely by being parasitic 0.91
00:25:07.280 but we argue even more more important by that argument than racial or ethnic mixing is cultural
00:25:13.600 mixing yeah that's where you really get innovation so for me i don't know they're probably like if
00:25:18.440 we're talking about different genetic traits coming together like maybe if one collection of genetic
00:25:24.880 traits mixes with a different collection of genetic traits you end up combining everyone's worst
00:25:30.160 heritable factors and it's not good or maybe you get all the best ones and it is good i don't know
00:25:34.760 like i'm not in a position to say which broad collections of heritable traits are well paired
00:25:40.960 but i i just don't really think it matters again in the face of things like embryo selection and in
00:25:46.040 the face of things like crisper yeah and in how quickly all of these things change totally yeah
00:25:52.140 that they shift over just you can get a standard deviation shift in iq in 75 years yeah that is
00:25:58.340 mental um it seems all pretty pointless yeah but yeah i think i do think it's interesting that the
00:26:07.100 what most people think they see i think especially those who are race realists is that like at the
00:26:14.660 very bottom of the smart spectrum are like just the racists who are like i guess old-fashioned
00:26:20.700 racists like we just hate them because they're an out group which actually i think we've just argued
00:26:24.680 is the real reason why the scientific racists hate or are scientific racists and then you have 0.75
00:26:30.400 this like group that really is anti-racism and they're apparently midwits and then the very smart
00:26:36.120 people are scientific racists because they understand like the real differences and i don't
00:26:41.820 again i still really struggle they can see through the program they can yes but then i think what
00:26:46.540 we're trying to argue is no it's actually like a full circle and you actually just have problems
00:26:51.440 without groups so stop trying to justify your piece yeah the current understanding of genetics
00:26:56.580 doesn't back that i think another thing i want to say and this helps understand why i'm so
00:27:01.240 antagonistic to progressives that say because we do believe that between families not between
00:27:07.880 asset groups but between families there are genetic differences and things that can give you an
00:27:11.000 advantage in the workplace like height IQ stuff like that anxiety depression so with that being the
00:27:18.360 case when people are like oh we can't allow for genetic screening of embryos and stuff like that
00:27:24.760 we can't allow for you to make this cheaper we can't allow for you to make this affordable because
00:27:28.500 if like the genetic purity of humanity was interrupted with your weird science first of all and this is a
00:27:35.500 view that progressives always take you're arguing for like maintaining genetic purity of humans that are
00:27:40.180 like you yeah you're the bad guy also you because science like brought height is heredible like we
00:27:47.700 know this right IQ is heredible we know this this is like something that is just not really disagreed
00:27:51.880 upon that being the case if you don't allow us to make this technology affordable then what you're
00:27:57.140 doing is baking in the existing systemic inequalities of our society yeah you're saying this works for me
00:28:03.900 at a family level like why are you doing that why do you think that makes you the good guy
00:28:08.260 oh i know it's because you've benefited from them because you're at the top of your local social
00:28:13.660 hierarchies you've gotten your fancy degree because you happen to get the right roll of the dice at the
00:28:19.680 right time and you want to preserve that for people who are like you and that's the end of the real game 0.97
00:28:26.600 and i see it everyone sees it you are also racist you progressive turd who says that we shouldn't make 0.72
00:28:35.440 this technology more accessible which actually democratizes the field of the most persistent 0.77
00:28:40.540 form of genuine inequality in our society which is genetic differences that families didn't choose
00:28:45.900 for their kids but you might be saying but some groups will still choose not to have access to this
00:28:50.740 even if you make this cheap i don't see you complaining about the kids of jehovah's witnesses
00:28:55.540 dying more because they're luddites about technology and they don't give their kids like blood transfusions
00:29:00.100 or something that's the way that all the groups are that just choose not to engage with technology
00:29:05.260 but we should at least give everyone the shot of a blood transfusion if it can be made cheap and for
00:29:10.620 everyone which is the crazy thing about these genetic technologies is they intrinsically are so easy to
00:29:16.200 make cheap because you're just comparing things to spreadsheets and and this is where it gets really
00:29:21.000 interesting for me is that we are entering a new world where there are groups of people who want
00:29:30.380 to maintain the systemic advantages that they've gotten and this is something i really believe i think
00:29:34.780 that right now the people who go out there because you can look at the advantage and you know that a large
00:29:40.320 portion of iq is heritable and and these people who have achieved success in our society and they go and
00:29:46.160 try to look so cool by being like iq is inheritable everyone has an equal playing field i don't these
00:29:52.720 will be seen the same way that we today see people who in the past were saying oh i don't see race
00:30:00.980 a white person who's become successful in part because they're white because they had an easier
00:30:05.120 time with fewer systemic discrimination against them no pretending you don't see the advantages that
00:30:10.700 you've had over other people whether it's height or iq now again none of this is ethnically linked
00:30:15.820 in any sort of a meaningful way but it's the same and that it is not virtuous to pretend you don't
00:30:22.220 see the advantages you have over other people and it is definitely not virtuous to prevent people like
00:30:28.220 us who are trying to narrow the playing field who are trying to allow for some sort of true equality
00:30:34.060 in our society who are trying to allow for families to make these reproductive choices for themselves
00:30:38.580 that is not a virtuous position that is not a progressive position what it is of a position
00:30:44.160 towards preserving the existing power hierarchy of which you are a beneficiary and pretending like
00:30:50.140 you don't see all the advantages you've had in life i'm going to push back and i will say
00:30:55.320 i don't think that people neither those who said i don't see race nor those who say things aren't
00:31:03.440 heritable yesterday and today do so with a desire to keep things the way that they are i think they do
00:31:11.180 so out of performative virtue signaling just trying to show how very enlightened they are a culture can
00:31:16.520 do something for a reason even if individuals don't do something for a reason and so i will be 0.99
00:31:22.180 generous to you most of these people are too stupid to think about the implications of what they're 0.98
00:31:26.900 actually doing while they may be smarter than the general population and have some ability that got 1.00
00:31:31.660 them into their phd at harvard they're dumb enough or they are narrow-minded enough or maybe even worse 1.00
00:31:37.640 in being stupid they've never genuinely thought through the implications of their actions they're 1.00
00:31:42.780 just following orders from the existing hierarchy the existing society has gone through many different 1.00
00:31:49.440 groups that have maintained control different religious traditions etc that they've maintained
00:31:53.100 control of society and there's a group of smart sort of whatever people who just pathologically
00:31:59.980 obey the order and they go and they kill galileo because he's saying oh thing look at what the data
00:32:06.940 actually says and then there's some people who just will for fun try to do things that are against
00:32:12.800 the orthodoxy when the church controlled everything these were the people who were like into black magic 1.00
00:32:17.640 and the occult and stuff like that where it was like a form of pseudoscience that gained traction just
00:32:23.640 because it was anti-orthodoxy but then there were other people who were like hey you should really take a
00:32:27.880 look at this evolution thing you should really take a look at this heliocentrism thing and they were
00:32:33.960 persecuted because they were going against the orthodoxy because there is a certain mindset and
00:32:39.040 so you're trying to get me to say it's not really their fault it is their fault they have sublimated
00:32:45.260 the long term even from their own perspective benefit of society which is from their perspective
00:32:51.620 often increasing equality lowering emotional pain which by the way is something we can select
00:32:55.980 again swiss crisper but the very things that they claim to be against where we can at a genetic level
00:33:03.580 make people less susceptible to things like a major depressive disorder so that they are willing to
00:33:10.040 ignore those long-term benefits to society even from their own perspective just so that they can
00:33:14.560 maintain their position within the existing hierarchy just so that they don't rock the boat
00:33:18.180 and this there's this guy adam rutherford he's some famous geneticist who is always attacking us on
00:33:23.540 twitter um not a real geneticist a pseudo geneticist but he just is so interested in supporting the
00:33:28.760 orthodoxy and you can see it in his hypocrisy he is against us genetically selecting against our
00:33:35.160 embryos that may have things like cancer and stuff like that right that have a higher probability of that
00:33:39.840 but he absolutely supports and would fight to his dying breath the right of a woman to abort a baby
00:33:47.100 that was found to have something wrong with it in the womb so why does he hold these two
00:33:54.560 obviously insanely contradictory views because one of them is a progressive orthodoxy and gets him
00:34:00.780 little points with the minions and the other is some new idea that people haven't adapted to yet
00:34:07.520 so he's gonna fight it because he doesn't actually care about anything he says he cares about
00:34:13.720 he cares about power and that is it and that is what these people who have gained power within the
00:34:20.820 academic institutions care about they care about power and nothing else not about the suffering not
00:34:26.220 about the systemic inequality not about any of the long-term damage they're doing to society
00:34:30.580 am i being too spicy i think passion is very welcome in this household so you're not going to get
00:34:38.760 me complaining but it's yeah i don't disagree with you i uh i like to think that everyone is acting
00:34:46.300 in well-intentioned ways that they're doing the best they can with the information they have
00:34:51.220 and that culture like you say is more faultier yes and i disagree with you i think that everyone
00:34:56.880 wants to believe they're acting in well-intentioned ways but some people are willing to peer through
00:35:02.720 the societal punishment they get for going for saying things that aren't mainstream
00:35:06.880 the emotional pain that's required to admit that the world isn't fair as it's structured now
00:35:11.940 to get to the other side and say okay if it turns out that different families have different levels
00:35:18.320 of like genetic iq how can we make this better instead of saying i won't accept that because
00:35:22.520 that would mean the world is unfair and then i have to deal with something hard yes in a way they
00:35:27.300 are trying to be the good guys but they are trying to be the good guys so they can see themselves as
00:35:32.200 the good guys not because they're actually trying to optimize for a better world they believe
00:35:36.420 they're trying to optimize for a better world but it's because they stop at every single idea
00:35:40.900 that may cause them to have to give up any of the societal power they've accumulated or face any
00:35:46.700 emotional pain you're probably not not wrong but i appreciate that you always try to see the best in
00:35:53.300 people you are such a kind-hearted person and this is why you tolerate a beast like me no i think it's
00:36:02.560 that i can't read other people so i don't know what they're doing i i love these conversations i love
00:36:07.980 talking with you so much so thanks this was fun definitely clarified some of my views on the new
00:36:14.920 sort of scientific racism movement that seems to be boiling up so interesting thanks for that
00:36:20.000 so but here's the thing about scientific racism again they're just as bad as the other group because 0.91
00:36:25.120 if they stopped their ridiculous teen politics and actually looked at the data they keep banding 0.50
00:36:30.480 around around polygenic markers for iq how quickly those things can change how quickly they're being
00:36:35.900 selected for in society they would realize how pointless thinking about any of this in terms of
00:36:40.360 ethnic groups is it literally doesn't align with their own data things change too fast for there to
00:36:47.260 be persistent meaningful differences in ethnic groups there you have it people don't think through
00:36:54.460 things very well but that's a pervasive problem and a fault of humanity at least we'll be at least
00:37:00.960 we'll be skewered by both the left and the right for this take thank goodness i'll see you later
00:37:07.600 gorgeous yeah this was fun