Based Camp - July 01, 2023


Based Camp： The Rule 34 Episode


Episode Stats

Length

24 minutes

Words per Minute

177.25867

Word Count

4,353

Sentence Count

281

Misogynist Sentences

21

Hate Speech Sentences

22


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the rise of R34 and My Little Pony porn on the internet, and why it might have a lot to do with our society's obsession with wholesome, wholesome people. We also talk about the science behind why we re aroused by people we see as wholesome and your friends.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The first impression that the internet gets is,
00:00:02.620 oh my God, you sick, disgusting monsters.
00:00:06.080 How were you turned on by cartoon ponies?
00:00:09.880 And what you're saying is,
00:00:11.220 actually, the people turned on by these cartoon ponies
00:00:14.720 are actually very good.
00:00:16.960 Like, they're triggered by instincts
00:00:20.040 driven by being a very good, committed partner.
00:00:23.680 I'm sorry I don't consume my little pony porn.
00:00:26.640 I'm a terrorist.
00:00:28.260 This is probably one of your greatest downsides.
00:00:31.000 Think about all that is recommended
00:00:33.160 about these gentlemen here.
00:00:35.580 And true gentlemen is the word, really.
00:00:37.860 Men of class and stature.
00:00:39.060 No, men of class and distinction, genuinely.
00:00:42.420 And like the whole gradation of genres
00:00:44.700 of this type of material, I have to say.
00:00:48.000 Hats off to these guys.
00:00:50.000 Would you like to know more?
00:00:51.240 Hello, gorgeous.
00:00:52.840 Hello, Simone.
00:00:54.120 I come to you today dressed as an intellectual.
00:00:57.020 Intellectual.
00:00:58.220 Because people have said, we are intellectuals.
00:01:02.500 Well, la-dee-da.
00:01:04.800 Well, I don't know.
00:01:05.340 Like, elite.
00:01:05.980 Not an intellectual.
00:01:06.860 Elites.
00:01:07.580 This is the brand we have publicly, I guess.
00:01:10.640 So this is an elite conversation.
00:01:13.500 Elite, if that counts as what Yahoo News calls us.
00:01:16.960 In scare quotes.
00:01:18.400 In scare quotes, yes.
00:01:20.000 Elites.
00:01:20.460 Well, tell me, Mr. Elite Intellectual,
00:01:24.360 what have you been reading about today?
00:01:26.440 Well, so there was this poll on Reddit,
00:01:29.380 which was going through the different fandoms
00:01:33.440 that people create R34 artwork of.
00:01:37.580 So R34 is based on the internet rule, rule 34,
00:01:42.560 that if it exists, there is porn of it.
00:01:46.860 God bless America.
00:01:47.760 God bless the internet.
00:01:50.380 You little pervs.
00:01:51.800 Anyway, so the second most common fandom
00:01:56.840 the material was coming from was My Little Pony,
00:02:02.800 which is interesting.
00:02:05.180 And it's actually something we talk about in our book,
00:02:07.560 because if you think about it,
00:02:09.440 humans are degenerates, of course, especially males.
00:02:12.580 So you would expect it would be some fandom
00:02:15.320 with like scantily clad women.
00:02:18.320 Actually, the fandom that beat it was Pokemon.
00:02:21.660 But I don't want to get into that.
00:02:24.460 But yeah, you expect that it's going to be topped
00:02:26.900 by a bunch of these fandoms,
00:02:28.440 because there are a lot of fandoms out there
00:02:30.260 that have a lot of scantily clad women in them.
00:02:33.680 So why aren't those the fandoms
00:02:36.660 that are dominating these spaces?
00:02:40.240 Well, I'd love to hear.
00:02:41.280 Do you have a theory or?
00:02:43.360 I mean, both of these top rankers are kids shows.
00:02:47.800 So I feel like there's something that has to do
00:02:50.060 maybe with, I don't know.
00:02:52.740 It can't be nostalgia though,
00:02:53.840 because the adult audience that got into My Little Pony
00:02:56.080 was not into My Little Pony as a kid.
00:02:58.780 It was the new reboot of My Little Pony
00:03:00.420 that they only consumed as adults.
00:03:02.300 Exactly. So I think it's a couple of things
00:03:04.820 that are happening here.
00:03:06.020 So I think the core is,
00:03:06.980 is we need to understand what sexuality,
00:03:09.560 like what are our arousal patterns.
00:03:11.060 Today, we think of them as being these like
00:03:13.500 despicable, disgusting things,
00:03:15.620 because so many of our cultural traditions
00:03:17.380 have evolved around repressing them.
00:03:20.000 And for good reason.
00:03:20.820 They lowered fertility rates
00:03:21.980 if you just indulge in them whenever you have them.
00:03:24.180 So a lot of cultures,
00:03:25.160 the cultures that were like just indulge in your sexuality
00:03:27.180 whenever you feel it,
00:03:28.140 they did not have as many surviving offspring
00:03:29.680 and they were out-competed by the cultural groups
00:03:32.400 that recommended a high level of self-control.
00:03:35.460 However, however,
00:03:37.820 what did all of these systems evolve for in the first place?
00:03:40.580 And it was to breed with high quality partners
00:03:44.860 who would also dedicate resources to the offspring
00:03:49.080 so that those offspring could make it to adulthood, right?
00:03:51.860 So far so good.
00:03:52.700 Yeah, this seems reasonable.
00:03:53.800 So it would be almost crazy
00:03:57.580 if our arousal systems were not paired in a way
00:04:01.860 where we find people who our brains subconsciously recognize
00:04:06.540 as good wife partners
00:04:09.780 and members of our social group
00:04:12.100 who we think about a lot,
00:04:13.920 who we mentally engage with a lot
00:04:16.100 as more arousing than ones we don't.
00:04:19.140 Particularly ones that we feel uniquely safe around,
00:04:22.900 particularly ones that model our society's ideals
00:04:27.840 around womanhood as it relates to long-term partnership.
00:04:34.340 And that's what I really think you are seeing here
00:04:37.480 is the very system that evolved to motivate
00:04:41.740 the most wholesome of emotions
00:04:44.400 be more likely to become aroused by people
00:04:48.160 who you see as wholesome and your friends, right?
00:04:51.980 So the first impression that the internet gets is,
00:04:55.120 oh my God, you sick, disgusting monsters.
00:04:58.600 How are you turned on by cartoon ponies?
00:05:02.400 And what you're saying is,
00:05:03.720 actually, the people turned on by these cartoon ponies
00:05:07.220 are actually very good.
00:05:09.720 Like, they're triggered by instincts
00:05:12.560 driven by being a very good, committed partner
00:05:15.720 who wants to...
00:05:16.620 Well, I'm not saying it's a good thing
00:05:18.900 to be out there consuming this sort of material
00:05:22.460 or creating this material.
00:05:24.320 But what I'm saying is...
00:05:24.860 No, you're saying it comes from a good place.
00:05:26.660 You're saying...
00:05:27.080 No, I'm not saying it comes from a good place, okay?
00:05:29.900 What I'm saying is the evolutionary pressures
00:05:34.600 that motivated this behavior were actually...
00:05:38.620 I mean, it's obviously...
00:05:41.160 So suppose you're coding software, right?
00:05:43.380 Okay.
00:05:43.740 And you're like,
00:05:44.180 well, I want people to form good relationships.
00:05:46.400 So let's code the software to be like,
00:05:49.020 yeah, be more likely to form a relationship
00:05:51.060 with something you see as wholesome,
00:05:53.760 something you spend a lot of time around.
00:05:55.840 And if you think,
00:05:56.480 like specifically the My Little Pony show,
00:05:57.960 you look at these characters
00:05:58.600 because we used to be bronies.
00:05:59.640 We engaged in like...
00:06:01.640 I did like My Little Pony memes
00:06:03.100 in my proposal to you
00:06:04.300 and I did that Reddit proposal that was viral.
00:06:06.660 I bet some of our listeners don't even know
00:06:08.740 they were those people who did that HBO.
00:06:11.000 Those types of people.
00:06:12.220 But anyway,
00:06:13.320 if you think about the characters in the show,
00:06:16.020 they each represent a different stereotype
00:06:19.160 of ideal long-term female partners.
00:06:24.740 With all of the aspects of that exaggerated
00:06:27.480 and very few of the downsides.
00:06:29.860 So if you're talking about a cultural archetype
00:06:32.400 that people would glom onto, yes.
00:06:34.040 And then two,
00:06:35.500 because a large community formed around the show,
00:06:38.200 a lot of people saw them
00:06:39.960 as almost like high status individuals
00:06:42.780 within the community.
00:06:44.320 Like that would be the closest thing
00:06:46.560 their evolutionary brain would have
00:06:49.060 to what a star of a show is.
00:06:52.720 Well, now hold on, hold on.
00:06:54.040 What you're saying here,
00:06:55.080 and actually I feel like this doubly recommends
00:06:57.100 this community to women.
00:06:58.640 Okay, so let's say that I'm a woman who's dating
00:07:00.320 and I discover that the guy I'm dating
00:07:03.220 is aroused by, what do they call it?
00:07:06.100 Clop?
00:07:07.080 Arousing material related to My Little Pony?
00:07:09.440 Or they watch it for the plot or something,
00:07:11.380 something like that, right?
00:07:12.680 But I find my boyfriends into it
00:07:14.420 or the guy I'm dating.
00:07:16.300 What you're saying is,
00:07:18.040 he, one, is aroused by people with whom he has,
00:07:23.100 or characters, figures with whom he has
00:07:25.340 a close emotional relationship.
00:07:26.900 And two, he's aroused by characters and people
00:07:30.900 who show diligence, pro-social behavior.
00:07:34.740 I think most women would think,
00:07:38.020 oh, this must be a freak.
00:07:39.280 I can't date him, red flag.
00:07:40.800 Whereas like, oh, I would see a bigger red flag
00:07:42.660 would be a guy who's like super aroused
00:07:45.180 by violence and porn, like gang bangs.
00:07:49.260 We'll get to that in a future podcast.
00:07:51.740 Well, okay, so two things here.
00:07:54.460 Or what is, I'm sorry I don't consume
00:07:58.480 My Little Pony porn.
00:07:59.620 I'm a terrorist.
00:08:01.260 This is probably one of your greatest downsides.
00:08:03.980 Think about all that is recommended
00:08:06.160 about these gentlemen here.
00:08:08.520 And true gentlemen is the word, really.
00:08:10.860 Men of class and stature.
00:08:12.320 No, men of class and distinction.
00:08:15.020 Genuinely.
00:08:15.700 And like the whole gradation of genres
00:08:17.700 of this type of material.
00:08:19.880 I have to say, hats off to these guys.
00:08:22.820 One thing that I think that you're touching on here
00:08:25.420 that I really want to dive into more
00:08:26.700 on a later podcast, but I think it's interesting
00:08:28.520 is we didn't have this theory
00:08:30.340 when we were doing our sexuality book.
00:08:31.620 So I wasn't able to elucidate on it.
00:08:33.600 But since then, we've gotten to be friends with Ayla
00:08:35.720 and we've talked a lot about the way
00:08:38.040 arousal patterns work.
00:08:38.940 And we've gotten a chance to look at
00:08:40.400 some of her data that's come out
00:08:41.660 and we've gotten some new ideas.
00:08:43.600 And one of the ideas we have
00:08:45.080 is that male sexuality may actually be polymorphic.
00:08:48.880 And by that, what I mean is it expresses itself
00:08:50.720 differently in different environments.
00:08:53.060 And I suspect that somewhere within the male brain,
00:08:57.900 there may be something that tries to determine
00:09:02.140 if a potential partner is in the long-term partner
00:09:05.680 category of their brain,
00:09:07.180 or is in the, we are raiding a village,
00:09:11.360 time to make as many kids as possible
00:09:13.220 before we leave, right?
00:09:15.140 Part of their brain.
00:09:15.840 Because the optimization of arousal patterns
00:09:19.520 for these two different types
00:09:21.680 of potential breeding interactions
00:09:22.980 is wildly different.
00:09:25.600 And it would almost seem to be useful
00:09:28.620 for men to have both of these patterns
00:09:30.980 stored within their brains
00:09:32.480 for different scenarios.
00:09:34.960 And in women, we actually argue in the book
00:09:37.140 that women also have a polymorphic
00:09:38.580 sexual behavior pattern.
00:09:39.520 So in women, the more partners they sleep with,
00:09:42.140 the less oxytocin they release with new partners.
00:09:46.480 And that basically means that they are forced
00:09:48.820 to fall in love less with a partner.
00:09:51.500 Like they have less instinctual,
00:09:53.620 I love this person because they slept with me.
00:09:55.560 Well, they're just less likely to get super attached.
00:09:57.820 They're not going to receive the same level
00:09:59.480 of like addiction.
00:10:01.320 This could actually cause trouble
00:10:03.000 for women on the dating market
00:10:04.780 when if they've slept with a number of people,
00:10:08.480 they will start to say,
00:10:09.540 well, I'm looking for a guy who made me feel
00:10:12.780 the way X previous partner I had made me feel.
00:10:16.300 And it may be that their biology has just adapted.
00:10:19.700 So no other partner will ever make them feel that way,
00:10:22.940 which can lead to them discounting
00:10:25.140 potentially really good romantic partners
00:10:27.400 for long-term relationships.
00:10:29.320 But what that means is their biology
00:10:31.180 is basically saying,
00:10:32.240 okay, if I am in a monogamous tribe
00:10:35.140 and I like, this is the optimization.
00:10:36.980 It's actually a really brilliant sort of polymorphic behavior pattern.
00:10:40.600 It's saying, well, if I'm in this tribe, right?
00:10:43.340 And this is a monogamous tribe and it's a stable tribe
00:10:45.680 and I have one partner,
00:10:46.660 then it is useful to form an illogical attachment
00:10:49.540 to the first person you sleep with.
00:10:51.100 But if my tribe has been raided
00:10:52.860 and I'm being passed around as like a sex slave,
00:10:55.660 well, then it's useful to not form attachments
00:10:58.780 to everyone I'm sleeping with, right?
00:11:00.680 So in women, you see this one pattern of changing sexuality.
00:11:04.340 But in men, you'd want those two sexualities
00:11:07.040 to overlap on the same mind.
00:11:09.420 And what we were arguing from the data might be true
00:11:12.240 that we haven't collected data specifically on this.
00:11:14.580 There's just hints of it.
00:11:15.760 Is that a lot of men may actually have
00:11:18.940 two overlapping sexualities.
00:11:21.880 One that expresses with people they see
00:11:25.000 as potential long-term partners.
00:11:26.600 So this would express it in terms of like shows
00:11:28.740 that they really enjoy for a long time
00:11:30.600 or something like that,
00:11:31.260 as well as, so like Rule 31st stuff,
00:11:34.420 but as well as like their wives, right?
00:11:36.680 And then another firm of sexuality,
00:11:39.980 which is like the type of sexuality
00:11:41.380 that gives them arousal when they're consuming porn
00:11:43.320 or something like that.
00:11:44.560 Well, okay, hold on.
00:11:45.800 Let me see if I understand you correctly.
00:11:47.860 So we've more discussed in other places,
00:11:51.340 this polymorphism with female sexuality,
00:11:53.140 which is basically the fewer sexual partners
00:11:56.200 a woman has, the more attached she gets.
00:11:57.800 And if she has more sexual partners,
00:11:58.940 that's a sign you should get less attached.
00:12:00.940 Okay, that's smart.
00:12:01.620 I mean, you're in a society
00:12:02.440 where maybe you need to be a little more flexible.
00:12:04.600 That's good.
00:12:05.180 Okay.
00:12:05.760 So, but for men, the thing is like,
00:12:08.180 men may also be in a position where sort of us,
00:12:11.500 which can flip of like,
00:12:13.060 hey, like it's time for me to be aroused
00:12:15.580 by committed relationships
00:12:17.400 because I'm in that kind of stable society.
00:12:19.420 And then the other flip is sort of like,
00:12:21.580 oh, hey, I should more, what, devalue women?
00:12:24.720 Just be like willing to churn through them?
00:12:27.340 What exactly are signs of the other form
00:12:31.520 of like male polymorphism?
00:12:33.840 Like one is pair bonded, husband kind of material.
00:12:36.940 What does the other one look like?
00:12:38.660 Well, I argue that it's probably like brutal sexuality,
00:12:42.020 like much more hardcore, you would think.
00:12:45.300 It could be expressed in online porn as rape,
00:12:50.200 stuff like that.
00:12:50.980 Well, what I'm trying to get at here,
00:12:53.520 which I think is interesting,
00:12:54.660 is what we've seen with swipe-based dating
00:12:57.360 and the failure of relationship markets
00:12:59.520 is that probably the vast majority of men,
00:13:02.220 the implication of your theory
00:13:03.660 is that the vast majority of men
00:13:05.060 who are not really getting many sexual partners,
00:13:07.100 if any sex at all,
00:13:08.540 are going to fall into this husband category,
00:13:10.800 which we'd say is fairly pro-social
00:13:12.840 and good for a relationship.
00:13:13.920 Whereas like the smaller group of men
00:13:16.120 that is able to access a very broad array of women
00:13:18.740 and actually does have a pretty high sexual partner count
00:13:20.940 is going to be, per this theory,
00:13:23.960 flipped to a much more,
00:13:25.800 at least from the perspective of a female partner,
00:13:27.900 toxic form of sexuality.
00:13:30.400 Well, not necessarily from the perspective
00:13:32.420 of a female partner
00:13:33.080 because if we live in a society
00:13:34.100 where women also have lots of sexual partners,
00:13:36.580 then they are going to be in slave state sexuality,
00:13:39.880 which basically means
00:13:40.940 they are going to be more turned on by being-
00:13:44.340 By more violent scenarios.
00:13:45.720 By more violent scenarios, yeah.
00:13:46.860 Which shows up in our data, right?
00:13:48.320 Then the percentage of women,
00:13:49.820 what was it, like around 40%
00:13:51.340 who reported actually being aroused
00:13:53.180 by these violent, coercive scenarios.
00:13:55.720 Yeah.
00:13:55.840 Had more sexual partners, yeah.
00:13:57.800 Yeah.
00:13:58.180 So what we saw in the data
00:13:59.440 that really tipped us off
00:14:00.660 that this might be happening
00:14:02.080 came from interviews of people
00:14:04.080 who liked like really extremist porn.
00:14:06.820 And they often in their relationships
00:14:10.260 were not actually interested in that
00:14:12.480 with their partners,
00:14:14.140 with like their primary partners.
00:14:15.820 That was really interesting.
00:14:17.080 Like, why did you keep seeing that?
00:14:18.600 So the point I was making
00:14:19.840 is the type of porn a guy is consuming
00:14:22.560 does not necessarily correlate
00:14:25.440 with what they prefer in a relationship.
00:14:28.460 And I think that that is really interesting,
00:14:30.440 but it can also cause problems.
00:14:32.180 So if a guy's sleeping around a lot,
00:14:33.540 like you have one of these Chad guys
00:14:34.860 who's sleeping around a lot,
00:14:35.940 when they first engage with a woman,
00:14:37.980 it means they're going to treat them
00:14:39.500 much more in this brutal sexuality way.
00:14:42.160 But as they begin to form an attachment to them,
00:14:44.540 they will treat them much more caringly.
00:14:46.020 Like their brain will conceptualize them
00:14:47.740 within the long-term partner form of sexuality.
00:14:50.260 But then the problem you have there
00:14:52.540 is that the woman may have found them attractive
00:14:57.200 for this sort of brutal type of sexuality.
00:15:00.580 Right.
00:15:00.700 And I suspect in BDSM Dungeons,
00:15:03.780 this is why taking on roles is so important,
00:15:06.440 as well as the huge environmental change.
00:15:10.340 Because you are trying to trick your brain
00:15:12.720 into believing the person you are engaging with
00:15:16.520 is not actually your long-term partner,
00:15:18.340 which is going to allow that different part
00:15:20.800 of your sexual brain to activate.
00:15:22.080 That's interesting.
00:15:25.620 Yeah.
00:15:26.100 But of course that creates a problem
00:15:27.480 if in some communities that would be framed
00:15:29.980 as losing frame, failing to maintain frame.
00:15:33.120 When what you're saying is it would,
00:15:35.520 it's a natural course of events
00:15:37.360 based on the way that humans function.
00:15:40.960 So it's something to prepare for, for sure.
00:15:44.040 But that's interesting.
00:15:46.180 Yeah.
00:15:46.580 But I do really like your take.
00:15:48.300 It's such a fun idea of a take is like,
00:15:50.940 oh, this type of material recommends a guy to a woman.
00:15:56.020 Yeah.
00:15:56.440 Wouldn't it be fun if,
00:15:58.040 and I think this is something
00:15:59.220 Ayla's even asked her Twitter followers about,
00:16:01.580 like, wouldn't it be really fun
00:16:03.160 to sit down with someone you're dating
00:16:04.760 and go through their erotic material history?
00:16:08.360 Which I think some people think about that
00:16:10.540 and just like their faces go pale.
00:16:13.240 Like they couldn't imagine sharing this with anyone.
00:16:16.060 Like it's this shameful thing
00:16:17.320 that they would never, ever want to share with someone.
00:16:20.100 When I feel like you could actually learn so much
00:16:22.440 about someone,
00:16:23.360 like looking through that search history
00:16:25.220 and view history.
00:16:26.460 You could learn a bit about,
00:16:28.400 and this is what's really interesting
00:16:29.580 about arousing things.
00:16:30.860 You could learn a bit about the things
00:16:32.780 that are pre-coded about them.
00:16:34.820 I think that's what's really important
00:16:37.020 is they didn't choose those things.
00:16:39.340 And what's important to remember with sexuality,
00:16:41.460 whatever a person's sexuality is,
00:16:43.360 the things that arouse them,
00:16:45.980 is you have very little control over that.
00:16:48.060 And this is something that religious traditions
00:16:49.700 admit as well.
00:16:51.000 Like a lot of people,
00:16:51.520 yeah, yeah, a lot of people are like,
00:16:53.020 oh, they're trying to like erase gay people
00:16:54.880 or something.
00:16:55.240 It's like, no, they admit that some people
00:16:57.000 are born same-sex attracted.
00:16:58.260 They just have a different cultural solution for that.
00:17:00.660 Yeah.
00:17:00.840 Like whether or not it's a more effective
00:17:02.000 cultural solution is,
00:17:03.880 it's probably not.
00:17:04.600 Like I admit, I would imagine
00:17:06.100 if you're born same-sex attracted,
00:17:07.280 you probably have a much higher chance
00:17:08.400 of committing suicide
00:17:09.080 if you grow up in a Christian household.
00:17:11.280 But we also know from the data
00:17:12.920 that if you're depressed,
00:17:14.100 you have a much lower chance
00:17:15.120 of committing suicide in Christian households.
00:17:16.780 So what does that mean?
00:17:17.400 We give our depressed kids to the Christians
00:17:18.920 and we give our same-sex attracted kids
00:17:20.420 to the progressives.
00:17:21.380 Just do a child swap there
00:17:23.020 for whoever is likely to,
00:17:25.300 I'm just talking about the data.
00:17:26.920 Like if that's what we're going on there.
00:17:28.580 But yeah, so there's different cultural solutions.
00:17:30.400 But the point being,
00:17:31.620 and I think that this is very important
00:17:32.660 for people to remember,
00:17:33.800 is the things that arouse you
00:17:35.520 are not who you are.
00:17:37.000 And so they are literally
00:17:40.060 the least you part of you
00:17:42.120 because they are like
00:17:43.640 randomly coded things about you.
00:17:45.780 They do not justify behavior.
00:17:49.020 But if somebody's just consuming content, right?
00:17:52.140 Like it is, I don't know.
00:17:56.600 I don't know if I can pass judgment here.
00:17:59.800 But I do understand what you're saying, Simone.
00:18:02.720 You know me.
00:18:03.740 I love seeing how people are weird.
00:18:04.980 So I see it as a major, a major perk.
00:18:08.860 But then I also have people like,
00:18:10.140 this is a very controversial thing
00:18:11.920 in that a bizarre number
00:18:14.200 of especially female partners
00:18:15.960 think it counts as cheating
00:18:18.020 even if a male partner
00:18:19.480 just looks at erotic material,
00:18:21.660 which is a lot.
00:18:24.900 That's, yeah.
00:18:25.700 I actually hate to say,
00:18:28.640 there was this famous study
00:18:30.640 where they were going to try to find men
00:18:32.260 that didn't consume porn
00:18:34.200 to compare it was men
00:18:35.160 that did consume porn
00:18:36.040 and they had to drop the study
00:18:37.080 because they just couldn't find
00:18:38.180 a large sample size of men
00:18:39.340 that consumed there was no porn.
00:18:41.120 And I think that when you as a woman
00:18:44.300 are sorting for guys
00:18:45.800 who don't consume porn
00:18:47.420 when they're in a relationship,
00:18:48.600 what you're really sorting for
00:18:50.120 is a guy who lies to you.
00:18:52.380 Or you're sorting for asexuality,
00:18:54.040 which I do think we're going to see.
00:18:55.120 Oh yeah, you could be sorting
00:18:55.940 for asexuality, yeah.
00:18:56.980 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:57.840 Which I think we're going to see
00:18:58.680 more and more asexuality
00:18:59.740 because it seems to be
00:19:00.500 that there's a strong correlation
00:19:01.840 between large amounts
00:19:03.880 of endocrine disruptors
00:19:04.980 and first trimester bloodstreams
00:19:06.600 of mothers
00:19:06.960 and less complete
00:19:09.460 male sexual development
00:19:11.200 for those babies.
00:19:12.620 And I love people would be like,
00:19:13.920 yeah, but you can control
00:19:15.020 how often you consume erotic material.
00:19:17.480 And I would say,
00:19:18.140 well, the data doesn't really
00:19:19.300 seem to suggest that.
00:19:20.280 If you look at areas,
00:19:21.720 like there's this great study
00:19:22.700 that looks at areas
00:19:23.460 by like the number of
00:19:24.820 like religious people in them
00:19:26.040 and you actually get higher rates
00:19:27.200 of porn consumption
00:19:27.920 when you are in a cultural group
00:19:30.300 that is more against
00:19:32.400 porn consumption.
00:19:33.780 Like the act of trying
00:19:35.120 to constrain it
00:19:36.100 leads to it being more
00:19:38.360 of a problem
00:19:38.980 in your daily life.
00:19:39.980 It's the same as binge eating.
00:19:41.660 You're more likely
00:19:42.320 to see binge eating behavior
00:19:43.560 among people
00:19:44.460 with very strict diets.
00:19:46.280 Well, this is,
00:19:47.220 yeah, actually that's,
00:19:48.200 that's correct.
00:19:49.180 It actually comes to
00:19:50.200 in our book,
00:19:50.660 we were like,
00:19:51.000 well, could you actually go
00:19:52.020 to like a camp
00:19:52.740 to cure gayness?
00:19:53.440 Because you're talking
00:19:53.840 about how like sexuality
00:19:55.340 can change.
00:19:56.020 Like if you use hormone therapy,
00:19:57.220 like the 25% of people
00:19:59.620 when they go through
00:20:00.000 the trans hormone therapy,
00:20:01.380 they change their gender
00:20:02.200 of primary attraction.
00:20:03.340 And we're like,
00:20:04.060 well, okay,
00:20:04.520 well, can you use
00:20:05.220 this information for anything?
00:20:06.680 Like, no,
00:20:07.800 because it's random
00:20:08.940 and these people
00:20:09.980 aren't going to want
00:20:10.460 to go through hormone therapy.
00:20:11.880 So what could you do?
00:20:14.040 And we were like,
00:20:14.780 oh, well,
00:20:15.420 I guess you could go
00:20:16.120 to a camp
00:20:16.660 where you just have
00:20:17.300 like tons of gay sex
00:20:18.380 because you can actually
00:20:19.520 desensitize yourself.
00:20:20.940 That is true.
00:20:22.140 Yeah.
00:20:22.400 The downside
00:20:23.240 to this sort of a camp,
00:20:25.120 of course,
00:20:25.480 would be that you would
00:20:26.120 have to do it regularly.
00:20:27.520 Like it would have to be
00:20:28.480 a once a year,
00:20:30.040 twice a year thing.
00:20:31.340 And then we started thinking,
00:20:33.000 we're like,
00:20:33.440 oh,
00:20:33.780 these all male secret societies
00:20:35.900 in the woods
00:20:37.000 for like the conservative elite.
00:20:39.580 Is that something that exists?
00:20:41.180 Oh,
00:20:41.520 it is a thing that exists.
00:20:42.960 Oh,
00:20:43.360 is that like a camp
00:20:44.680 that's meant to make them look gay?
00:20:48.440 We do know,
00:20:49.700 hold on,
00:20:50.060 I actually will say,
00:20:50.920 I can't talk to any of my own,
00:20:52.160 but there's a famous quote
00:20:53.160 from Nixon
00:20:54.180 about the Bohemian Grove
00:20:55.560 where he said
00:20:56.260 it was the gayest thing
00:20:57.280 he's ever seen.
00:20:58.680 I think he used a word
00:20:59.460 meaner than gayest,
00:21:00.600 but yeah.
00:21:01.520 Oh,
00:21:01.740 yeah,
00:21:01.980 yeah,
00:21:02.160 yeah.
00:21:02.600 But we're being polite,
00:21:05.480 but I love it.
00:21:07.560 Yeah.
00:21:08.040 There are all types of solutions.
00:21:09.620 I really do want to do
00:21:10.880 a longer video on Vore
00:21:11.900 at some point
00:21:12.560 because I find that
00:21:13.380 to be one of the most interesting
00:21:14.740 weird arousal things.
00:21:15.840 So this video was made
00:21:16.640 in response to
00:21:17.880 users being like,
00:21:18.580 yeah,
00:21:18.780 talk more about sexuality
00:21:19.760 and our sexuality videos
00:21:20.660 get the most clicks
00:21:21.340 because that one
00:21:22.940 is confusing to me.
00:21:24.740 Until we do a video,
00:21:26.180 I would venture to say
00:21:27.900 I suspect the answer
00:21:30.440 might be boring.
00:21:31.640 It might just be
00:21:32.560 a misfiring of the
00:21:33.620 dominance and submission system.
00:21:35.300 Yeah.
00:21:35.760 Potentially that system
00:21:36.860 was borrowed at some point.
00:21:37.900 One of the things
00:21:38.280 we always say about evolution
00:21:39.140 is evolution's a cheap programmer
00:21:40.760 and it might have been
00:21:42.340 borrowed at some point
00:21:43.300 of our system used for hunting
00:21:44.800 or maybe the hunting system
00:21:46.900 was trying to be hijacked
00:21:50.060 by the system used
00:21:52.180 to hunt someone down
00:21:53.980 and rape them
00:21:54.620 when you're raiding a village
00:21:55.980 and that system became...
00:21:58.800 I don't know.
00:21:59.860 I suspect it's something like that.
00:22:01.240 Well, when you look at
00:22:02.220 Vore illustrations, though,
00:22:04.060 you can see that
00:22:04.840 it's a confluence
00:22:06.040 of so many things.
00:22:07.100 Even swaddling interest,
00:22:09.660 I think eating...
00:22:11.380 I think extreme dominance
00:22:12.740 and submission
00:22:13.240 totally show up there, too.
00:22:15.080 But then there's a lot
00:22:15.760 of furry content in there.
00:22:17.440 So I think what's
00:22:18.420 really interesting to me
00:22:19.160 is how cross-sectional it is
00:22:20.520 because it's very niche.
00:22:22.220 Oh, we've got to do
00:22:22.800 a video on furry sometime.
00:22:24.080 I love that.
00:22:25.660 Yes, furry is always
00:22:26.760 deserve coverage.
00:22:28.000 An ancient practice.
00:22:30.580 You look cross-culturally.
00:22:31.960 Almost all cultures
00:22:32.780 have some sort of
00:22:33.760 furry-like practice
00:22:35.280 where people in animal costumes
00:22:37.320 dance around a fire to music.
00:22:40.040 It's traditional culture.
00:22:42.280 Yeah.
00:22:42.860 Well, what I'm saying is
00:22:43.960 I actually think it might be
00:22:45.200 an evolved group bonding ritual.
00:22:48.860 You see this in medieval Europe.
00:22:50.400 If you look at what
00:22:50.860 the masquerade balls
00:22:51.680 were actually like,
00:22:52.320 they were often done
00:22:52.920 with animal masks
00:22:53.860 during that period.
00:22:54.520 You look at ancient Egypt,
00:22:55.820 early Native American cultures,
00:22:57.460 early Asian cultures.
00:22:58.920 I think in some Polynesian cultures
00:23:00.300 you see similar ceremonies.
00:23:01.940 Why would every culture on Earth
00:23:03.900 have the animal mask
00:23:05.240 fire music ceremony?
00:23:07.160 That's weird.
00:23:08.220 And then we see it
00:23:08.700 in today's society.
00:23:09.620 It's because they're men
00:23:10.460 of true culture.
00:23:11.060 But we'll go full into furries
00:23:12.940 at some point
00:23:13.520 because I think
00:23:14.200 that's really interesting.
00:23:15.580 Yes.
00:23:16.120 And of course,
00:23:16.920 we're trying to bioengineer
00:23:19.060 a catgirl army.
00:23:20.640 That is the faction of elite
00:23:22.260 that we want to be aligned with
00:23:24.040 is the catgirl army
00:23:25.480 to replace you.
00:23:26.800 That's the type of conservatives
00:23:27.700 that we are.
00:23:28.540 Because that faction
00:23:29.380 is the winning faction.
00:23:31.100 It is the winning faction.
00:23:32.840 To think that the master race
00:23:35.480 already exists.
00:23:36.180 The master race
00:23:37.080 is the catgirl.
00:23:38.000 It lacks
00:23:38.660 the cute ears
00:23:40.760 and tail
00:23:41.460 and soon today
00:23:44.040 approach
00:23:45.060 to relationships.
00:23:46.420 I don't think
00:23:48.040 we're anywhere close
00:23:49.060 to the pinnacle
00:23:49.540 until that comes.
00:23:50.680 Yeah, well,
00:23:51.620 love these conversations.
00:23:52.540 I love how you combine
00:23:55.420 this weirdoness.
00:23:57.260 It was just such an openness
00:23:58.720 to groups
00:23:59.360 that are very different
00:24:00.000 from you
00:24:00.520 and an eagerness
00:24:02.260 to understand them.
00:24:03.880 I really appreciate that.
00:24:05.360 It's so thrilling
00:24:06.640 to have that
00:24:07.420 in my day-to-day life.
00:24:09.200 And it really
00:24:10.280 helps simmer
00:24:11.700 portions of myself
00:24:12.840 that may
00:24:13.540 be overly judgmental
00:24:15.580 or look through groups
00:24:16.980 that are different from me.
00:24:18.000 Yeah, but you're still
00:24:19.180 way better
00:24:19.620 at diving down
00:24:21.060 through new rabbit holes
00:24:22.460 and finding new things
00:24:23.320 that I love,
00:24:23.800 which I'm just,
00:24:24.640 I love that.
00:24:25.180 I love waking up
00:24:25.760 each morning
00:24:26.140 and having you
00:24:26.680 surprise me
00:24:27.280 with some new discovery.
00:24:28.360 So never stop that.
00:24:29.840 Anyway,
00:24:30.160 I love these conversations.
00:24:31.360 Let's have another one soon, okay?
00:24:32.800 I love you too.
00:24:33.420 I love you too.