Based Camp: The THOT Police
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In this episode of the podcast, I sit down with my good friend Simone to discuss why women who are submissive to men are a major problem in online communities like the Red Pill community and the self-help community, and why they are actually a problem.
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what type of woman decides to sign their entire this one short life they have
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to being submissive to someone else only for attraction to that person that's a thought like
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that's the very definition of a thought the type of person who would do that and that's a very
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narrow psychological profile now this profile can be elicited from most people men and women
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like suppose you trained a woman how to be like this aggressive sexy bombshell who was like very
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forward and very good at playing men and everything like that and and this woman created a whole
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movement around how to do this like how to seduce men like this and then these women are like it's
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all men are simpering pathetic dogs right and you're like well no you are able to bring that
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personality out of any man because of the mechanisms that you are using to attract those men
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yes the systems you are using can attract actually a broad range of men but they change those men's
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personalities within the narrative context of your relationship because we do change our
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personalities in different narrative contexts the way i act at work is different from the way i act
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at home and so if you're creating a persistently similar narrative context you're going to create
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a persistently similar person would you like to know more hello simone how's it going today good hi
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malcolm i am excited to be here because today we are going to talk about thoughts not intellectually of
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course t-h-o-t a hot woman who is vapid primarily interested in sex and who is apparently a major
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problem for communities like the red pill community and a lot of these conservative intellectual spaces
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there's a heavy emphasis a lot of them almost seem to be like a red pill diaspora where the men's
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rights movement of like 20 years ago began to dissipate into like the big towers and the red
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pillars and the the other types of pickup artists type people uh they begin to influence a lot of the
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culture of news online right-leaning intellectual movements pretty heavily actually in the same way that sort
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of the tumblr feminists ended up influencing a lot of progressive online cultures ah yes yes where this
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gets really interesting is that thoughts in the real world the sort of thirsty manipulative women
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like they're not actually a problem they're not a problem to most men and so the question is is why are
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they perceived as such a problem by the red pill diaspora and i have a theory around this so i always found
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the red pill community really interesting as did you i actually think you used to browse it more than i
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did way more and they i think were fairly accurate in their understanding of female sexuality well it was
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also the first community online where i really encountered a more economic analysis of of relationships
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and dating strategy and sexual strategy which i think is a far better lens than the typical self-help
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of a romance based analysis oh absolutely yeah and and and they were saying things that were
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obviously true that people weren't happy to say which was things like actually if you look at
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statistics the majority of women do prefer men with dark triad traits like narcissism and machiavellianism
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and that if you like like in terms of sorry i'll use a different word so i won't get demonetized
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in terms of submission and like in a bedroom context right the the majority not all but but women do
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differentially prefer that and also stuff like muscle building right like oh if you if you get toned and you
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spend time at the gym you will be more physically attractive to women and through these realizations
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they began to be able to pick up more women than they were previously able to pick up and for young
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men that is a major problem in life like in a way that i don't know if women can fully understand
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just how much consternation this causes young men well i think there's another really big factor to like
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the original traction that the community enjoyed which is that in general of a big premise of the red
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pill etc community seemed to be that men have been told a lie that being a nice guy to women is not
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going to get you sex and that that's just a very misleading and very damaging lie and here are these
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various things you can do to actually get sex and i think to a certain extent those tactics work but also
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i think part of it was just like encouraging men to be direct and assertive about their desire to have
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sex with women like before i met you i never encountered a guy who was like clear about his
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motives it was just like he kind of expected it seems like all guys kind of expected women to come
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on to them somehow like they were never gonna say you were dating in san francisco right yeah which i
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think is well this is a community that i think is most inundated with the exact opposite mindset
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right but anyway i feel like that was a major factor of it was just like the fact that men
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were suddenly being told oh guess what not being assertive not being direct isn't going to work for
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you that even just that basic realization was really meaningful and impactful and i mean what are
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your other thoughts on the red pill community if you're going to have more i i loved the the pessimism
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of it i love like the concept of a waltz all women are like that but like there's this this this
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animosity that i found to be very intriguing and a straw man of women that that was that was presented
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was great i loved the the experimentation they'd have case studies remember no no field field reports
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something like that yeah the lingo in general was great i don't know if using the lingo would get me
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like get us demonetized like i don't know oh yeah you two probably have referred to the carousel
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that women would ride oh well yeah but i just mean i i bet even like even if we say the term red pill in
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the tags here we're probably going to get like delisted so we'll see but no i i agree with a lot of
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what you're saying and i and i think a community i'd love to do a separate video on later it's a
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mig tao community the men going their own way community yes yes but one of the things that i really
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wanted to focus on here is an illusion the the walt illusion i guess i'd call it or the thought
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illusion um yes yes like they're these women straw men they they are not representative like
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why do they believe because i believe that this is their actual experience of women and so which is
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back to what they figured out which was they figured out some ways to be sexually attractive to
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women and it was actually very effective the the problem is if you go to a stream and you say this
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stream only has catfish in it and then somebody points out well you're using a catfish lure of
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course you're only catching catfish if the thing you are using to lure women is how attractive you are
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going to be in bed to those women you are going to only lure women who go after guys based on how good
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they are in bed this is where these thought women come from they come from this very narrow sliver of
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women who is like oh i will go on a date with a guy because i want to have sex with that guy and
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nothing else well and i think it's underrated just how unusual this this demographic is i i cannot think
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of a single friend who was like fit this criteria like a hypergamous so person just wanted here i was
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really good at getting women to sleep with me back in the day okay but you also weren't like a triangle
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man chad no i wasn't but i had developed a lot of the systems and what i would say is is while i use
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different systems to do it women enter a different psychological space depending on the mechanism you
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have used to get them to want to like the lure you have used right to to catch that particular fish
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and so the same woman who is dating you primarily because you are a bed partner for her versus a
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woman who's dating you because she respects you will have a very different mental framing of that
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relationship and her psychological profile within the relationship will be very different this is true
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of men as well depending on why they're going out with a woman are you going out with a woman because
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you think she's hot are you going out with a woman because you respect her you are going to act
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very differently in those two relationships thoughts as like a a concept any woman can to
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an extent become a thought if a guy is able to lure her using only his his body essentially body right
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or but not just his body other things that cause attraction like power dynamics in his body power
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dynamics but if it's if it's primarily because of attraction that she's dating you one of course she's
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not gonna have loyalty to you she's she's not dating you because she respects you or likes you she's
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dating you because you have maxed out an attraction metric of course she's going to go with the next
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guy who offers more attraction to her right that's your value to her because that's what you sold to her
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you didn't sell anything else you didn't sell a complete package all right so wait that's really
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interesting what you're saying you're saying basically not only does the broad red pill strategy
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tactic attract thoughts but it can literally create thoughts like it will train women who might
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otherwise be very loyal partners who would be less hypergamous more committed better committed partners in
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general to instead become unfaithful hypergamous game playing shit testing partners right exactly
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because you have based your relationship off of their attraction to you and because of that that is
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the value you have to them and i think that this is the thing we we have a twitter thread on this
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but guys are right when they say the majority of women prefer to take on the submissive role in a
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relationship right what they often get wrong when you're looking at like the red pill movement or
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something like that is women are also human beings and when they take on a submissive role they want to
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take on this submissive role not just in service to a guy's ego but towards some larger ideological
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objective they want to work with a guy who they respect on some sort of bigger broader project with
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their life not just the guy being tough and and doing whatever i mean i'm sure you could elaborate
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on this more simone well yeah i mean a point that you've made is if a woman is going to devote her life
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to someone like should probably be someone working on something meaningful if it's not then you as a
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woman who's joined on to that team is wasting her time like um devoting her life to someone else's
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vanity is kind of a waste of your life right yeah what type of woman decides to sign their entire this
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one short life they have to being submissive to someone else only for attraction to that person
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that's a thought like that's the very definition of a thought the type of person who would do that
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and that's a very narrow psychological profile now this profile can be elicited from most people men
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and women like suppose you trained a woman how to be like this aggressive sexy bombshell who was like
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very forward and very good at playing men and everything like that and and this woman created
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a whole movement around how to do this like how to seduce men like this and then these women are like
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it's all men are simpering pathetic dogs right and you're like well no you are able to bring
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that personality out of any man because of the mechanisms that you are using to attract those men
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yes the systems you are using can attract actually a broad range of men but they change those men's
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personalities within the narrative context of your relationship because we do change our
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personalities in different narrative contexts the way i act at work is different from the way i act at
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home and so if you're creating a persistently similar narrative context you're going to create a
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persistently similar person and some of these guys will say well come on you can't be serious
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women don't really date guys because they respect them because they want to work on projects with
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them i don't know i'll let simone answer that oh 100 i mean i think people come to relationships with a
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lot of different goals and contexts and you can choose what you want your lure to be essentially your
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lure to draw someone in and i actually my first message to you on okcupid was about your startup
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because you chose to use things that you worked on as potential conversation starters and your work
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was one of those things one question i heard at some point was who who do you need to be to bring
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out the person that you want someone else in a relationship to be like the way that you treat
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someone and the way that you behave personally determines how people connect to you so i think the big
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problem with the optimized red pill archetype is that it really brings out assholes and women
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which is really bad well and there's a way for women to attract people that brings out assholes and
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men this isn't like a 100 and i mean one thing that we talk about in the relationships book that we wrote
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is the extent to which you know begins on both sides with what you call proto abuse he's like
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typically small like technically harmless technically not not bad or not toxic ending the conversation in the
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middle of the conversation for example because i just walking out of the room total control over
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how that conversation has happened which is a means of non-consensually exercising control over the
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other person and those sorts of things simmer and create bigger problems in the future but it also
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it draws out certain behavioral patterns in someone else well and i think the reason why for example
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shit testing is something that women are accused of doing a lot by red pillars or by just generally that
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broad group i don't even know how big the red pill is anymore i've not been paying attention enough
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is that if you are primarily offering power dynamics and male dominance as your value proposition in a
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relationship of course a woman or whatever partner you have with you is going to be validating that or
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exercising that i wouldn't even say like literally trying to de-seat you they're they're they're enjoying it
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like how can you enjoy a power dynamic how can you maximize this value proposition if you are not
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pushing the boundary to the extent where it shows up again so if a woman's coming to you and she loves
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the power dynamic and now you guys are in a relationship together if she wants that power
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dynamic she's going to have to push a little bit to get you to demonstrate the fun dominance thing that
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she really loves so like that's what you're selling yeah yeah you're selling and so she she signed up for
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the for the lion show and now she's asking for the lion show again and she has to poke the lion for him
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to growl or whatever you know what i mean like but normal but but something that should also be clear
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is in normal healthy relationships shit tests aren't rare they just don't happen right right they
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that's not like a thing that like normal healthy adults do it's a weird attraction dynamic
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that you have created through the value proposition you offered given that you were optimized around
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this framing but the framing is useful this dominant framing is an arbitrage opportunity given how few guys
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demonstrate that really effectively in our society today yeah i mean you can arbitrage meaning that you
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are offering something that very few other people in the marketplace are offering and so yeah like
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you can attract women who might be actually out of your league by doing that but out of the league of
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the real you in the same way that women can get men who are out of the league of the types of partners who
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will settle for the real them but who are willing to sleep with them right a man can get a woman who's out
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of the league of like being in a real relationship with them but who will date them for this power
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dynamic fantasy that they're creating um but then you need to what be in frame for the rest of your
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life till you die like that sounds miserable that is not you did not win you trapped yourself in a
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cage it's like congratulations you played yourself you never get to be yourself again for the rest of
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your life but you get to show off an attractive woman for the next oh i mean okay in defense of the
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red pill there's a lot of like overlap between red pill men's rights mctow etc and stoicism and i do
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think that a forcing function like let's say a thought female partner who forces you to always
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maintain frame also forces a certain level of constant self-discipline that might be appreciated
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by someone of this community because they appreciate how they are forced to be kept sharp so i'm just
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i think that anyone actually maintains frame well that's no no i'm genuine here i think that
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it is very hard to maintain that type of frame without becoming abusive i think this is where
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you get like the steve crowders and stuff like that that is no i'm not sure i'm not sure so i'm
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going to push back again i think if you end up with like a trad wife who just really likes being
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submissive and and because i so there are thoughts and then there are trad wives and i think thoughts
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regularly like want to push back like they're more like the brat dynamic right because they're
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interested in a constant power dynamic i don't think trad wives want a constant power dynamic
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yeah they don't well and also like trad wives are not going to be interested in sleeping with chads
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because they know that chads are not going to commit trad wives are not going after dark triad trait
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males well that's here's the other thing is it's really interesting to me how small a sliver
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of the like the sort of ideal red pill male is of interest to female populations like none of the
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friends that i grew up with went to college with etc were attracted to this archetype and yes i was
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friends with nerdy people nerdy smart people this archetype can get these i i guarantee you they can get
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these women to sleep with them they just cannot get these women to sleep with them and stay safe
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and it's it's the same with the trad wife thing women in this trad wife mindset they are not with
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a guy because that guy is is attractive that is not the power dynamic you sell to bring out a trad wife
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in a person or to have like a stable trad wife relationship you what brings out a stable trad wife
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relationship is being a good dad that's what a trad wife wants they want a good no it's true more than
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it is it is and they also they also want a husband to serve so they they had there has to be a level
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of confidence there has to be a level of dominance yeah and here's an interesting we talk about the
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lure you use in the framing of the initial relationship so we can talk about our early
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relationship as an example of that so you look at our early relationship and it was completely based
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around the company that we were starting together and what that framed for us that you reached out to me
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about starting a company that we were constantly talking about career and company and and building
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something like that it meant that a lot of the dynamics that we came into and what we were offering
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each other was competence intelligence curiosity and work ethic because that is specifically starting a
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company was in a complementary complementary skill sets in that i was able to do things you weren't able
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to do and you were able to do things i was not able to do so it was complementary skill sets
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working on entrepreneurial endeavors together while also being like compatible as romantic partners
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and friends um yeah but but what that means is that for you or me to go after someone else given the
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framing of our relationship right early in our relationship what would have caused us to go for
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somebody else is finding a more competent individual right somebody who is harder working or smarter or
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something like that right but what's interesting about that kind of relationship is that it is
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one you invest in to an extent so because we have like literally invested in similar projects together over a long
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period of time the differential value i have to you and you have to me could not be replicated by another person who was just
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marginally better than me or you so it comes down to aligned incentives
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each party is leaning who was 50 smarter than you 50 harder working than you the amount i would have to
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give up in just our like companies and public image to try to start over with this person would make it outside
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of any emotions i feel for you just a terrible prospect yeah but you're talking about sunk costs i'm talking
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about aligned incentives and by that i mean when you are working with someone toward shared values shared
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goals shared companies whatever it might be it might even be just creating a family and a life together
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like in a more trad way yeah that there is not this same kind of constant friction when you're looking at a
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typical red pill relationship it's very extractive on both ends so for the women who are attracted to those
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relationships it is to what extent am i getting the dominance displays the the other sorts of experiences and
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scenes that i want from this relationship sort of the drama the thrill the new relationship energy the feelings of
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threats and then for the men it's to what extent can i have one or many super hot female partners that like
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really respect and validate me essentially and those are both very individualized and in extractive
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approaches and those are not aligned incentives and so that also makes these relationships inherently
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unstable and there's it's funny because to what to one extent like pickup artistry red pill etc is very
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very good at looking at incentives and very very good at recognizing misaligned incentives and yet there's
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no discussion of okay wait then how do we make aligned and how do we make stable relationships or both
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partners are working toward the same thing or something bigger than themselves it's like they can't get out
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of this atomization and and selfhood that is ultimately leaving them more isolated than they ever would be
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it's it's interesting i i could not have said it better than that i think that's a really good way to put it and
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and this is what creates this thought problem where it is literally what they are turning the women in
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society into that they're interacting with now it is true you know if you look at like divorce laws or
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something like that and be like yeah well women have such an advantage it's really the legal system
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which is turning them into these monsters but i think that that misunderstands how screwed a woman is
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in a long-term relationship in that a woman's sort of value on the marketplace in terms of the types of
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guys she can get goes down much more dramatically as they age than a man's so if a woman starts dating
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a guy in her mid-20s and then that guy divorces her when she hits 45 you could be like oh well she got
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all this money and stuff that he worked for how terrible is that but she's not going to get another
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partner of his quality whereas he can get another partner of equal quality so well men men enjoy in
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terms of the typical value propositions like men are more of a resources and dominance kind of offering
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whereas women are more of a youth and fertility offering so you get cumulative advantages as a man
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especially if you accumulate wealth and confidence over time whereas as a woman like you spend your
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youth and it's gone once your fertility window is passed it's gone like you're not getting it back
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and then you're even worse off from even just a like basic survival standpoint well i love how how
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like it's weird that there's like this faction of our society that like they know that like they know
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deep down that like it is harder for an older woman to get a partner right but they're like how can
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you say that that's so offensive like all women are equally valuable and it's like well i mean you don't
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literally think that all women can get the same men do you like you you understand that there is a
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differential value even if it's just socially that we place on these things but the larger point i was
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making here is from the red pill perspective is that you can often over focus on just the way that guys get
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screwed in relationships and miss the the system any system in which leaving a partner is possible
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really screws over both genders and that you need more sort of sunk cost within relationships
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and social structures that make it very unlikely that or at least more costly to leave a person and
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we just don't have those in society these days but in addition to that you like the best defense against
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any of these things as a man or as a woman is to more carefully screen your partner up front
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and make sure you understand the value proposition you're offering them as opposed to just getting the
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best possible partner you can get agreed well i love you i'm glad that you she came after me when we were
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when i was on the dating market i did i reached out to you she was in she was she was like optimizing
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her profile around nerds so she was in full stormtrooper armor in it and i had seen her profile before but i thought
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that she was hiding that she was fat because i i'm that kind of cynic that's not how the plating
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works like if i were if i were huge you would tell like the little rounded like plate plates would not
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fit over my legs fat a little fat i thought you were a little fat a little you see you couldn't handle
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a little fat some baby simone simone well thank goodness
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and it's hey we all have preferences we all have preferences okay no no this this goes both ways i
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put the fat clause in our marriage contracts oh yeah she did she gets to ban me from things if i get
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too fat now of course i can do that for her too but like i i will never i will never know but but i'm
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like the way i eat the fat clause i have accidentally tripped yeah i i have imposed the fat clause on you
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a couple times i have never tripped the fat wire because i weigh and measure all of my food
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i'll tell you the meanest clause in our relationship contract because we did put together a contract
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we're like okay let's and this is what we mean when i'm like find out everything that can go wrong
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before the relationship so something doesn't come up later that causes the problem in your relationship
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so we just interviewed a bunch of people about everything that had gone wrong in their
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relationships and then like like 100 people or something and and made sort of a list and we're
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like let's discuss how we will handle every one of these scenarios like suppose one of our parents
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needs a place to live suppose you know how what's the appropriate temperature but of all of these the
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most evil one and and she did this to me the boat clause the boat clause which is i can't just go out
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and buy a boat i cannot she cannot wake up one morning and and see a boat in our yard and what
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this actually applies to is any i think purchase over ten thousand dollars i cannot buy without the
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veto permission of the other partner no no it's it's it's a size it's a size thing in the contract
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because we each have discretionary spending that like oh okay yeah yes i don't care if you are like
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buying puppies and drowning them like per our contract that's fine what isn't okay is a large
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pieces of property that affect both of us and are like just just big eyesores the boat is in our yard
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cannot it also applies to pools apparently that's the other yeah because it's a size thing like again
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like you can't you can't spend discretionary money on a giant money hole eyesore that will sit there
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and collect dust that's gonna be what destroys our relationship one day i'm gonna i'm gonna come
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back to the house with a giant used sailboat and it'll just be sitting in our yard well i think that's
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the fun thing about relationship contracts and something that's important in negotiating them
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right it's that a lot of people assume that the punishment for breaking a clause in a relationship
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contract is i will leave you right or like i don't know but really like the primary consequence is
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this is written and this is gonna really really hurt the other person's feelings or reduce their
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quality of life in a meaningful way and if you pull a bunch of this probably they're gonna leave
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the relationship but like just know that really this isn't like oh i have to leave like if if you
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cheat in this way then don't do the i'm gonna leave thing in a relationship is the moment you don't do
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that if that was one of your rules and that was the primary thing enforcing your rules then none of
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the other rules matter anymore because now everybody knows that you're not gonna leave yeah and and it
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just makes you look pathetic but if if the rules are hey that'll really hurt me well then what you're
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using to well prevent them from doing it is the knowledge of how it will make you feel which is
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which is both honest intrinsically you're going to react that way but in many ways it's like much more
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immoral to break a clause out of how it will make the other person feel versus it's a little more
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fair like with the fat clause it's understood given our personal aesthetics that if the other partner
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gets fat we're not going to find them physically attractive we're not going to want to bang them
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as much like it's gross to us and to each his own and that's i i prefer that to like someone not having
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that kind of clause in a relationship contract and then one partner getting a little rotund
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and then being really disappointed that the other partner isn't interested that's a really good point
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yeah i mean i'm really glad you know that when i trip that clause when you let me know when i'm about
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to trip it you you you'll let me know when when you're making the call nobody's it's really helpful
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because well because here's how it would go otherwise right it's like i had an expectation that you
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would like me if i was no longer yeah because the way it normally works right is one partner gets a
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little fat they let themselves go like aesthetically it doesn't have to be about fatness it could be
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like maybe they just stop wearing nice clothes or they stop showering as much and they start to smell
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and then like what happens is then the other partner stops banging them or showing interest in
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them the same way they're not taking initiative anymore and then partner number one starts being
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like oh like why are they ignoring me like they're being so mean and then it's sort of like that trips
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other unwritten contract violations like i want you to make me feel loved i want you to make me feel
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pretty and so like there's this sort of spiraling back and forth is all these unspoken like parts of
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relationship contracts are violated right and then it falls apart but you know what malcolm we should
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have a separate chat about relationship contracts absolutely and i love you simone i i am so glad you
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found me yes well and speaking of submission i need to go preheat the oven and put in baked potatoes
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and brussels sprouts so let's go do that i love you malcolm