Based Camp - Based Camp： Transmaxxing, Gender Constructs, and BAP.

00:00:00.000 Hello, this is Malcolm and Simone, and we are excited to be here with you today. What's the

00:00:07.440 topic today? Gender euphoria. Well, the trans maxing movement. Yes. So yeah, I mean, that's 0.68

00:00:15.920 what trans maxing, Malcolm, is all about. It's about gender euphoria, not gender dysphoria. It's

00:00:20.800 about transition for gain rather than transition because something is not right. Well, let's talk

00:00:26.000 about the trans max movement in sort of the larger social context here, right? So broadly speaking,

00:00:32.480 it is a movement of young men, predominantly, who believe that society will treat them better and

00:00:40.800 they will have better odds in society if they become young women. They are not transitioning 1.00

00:00:45.820 because of gender dysphoria. They are not transitioning because they don't feel like 0.93

00:00:50.100 young men. They are transitioning purely because they think they've been dealt a raw card by being 0.96

00:00:56.660 born male. And they think that they will have an easier time in life if they do become a female.

00:01:02.180 And I mean, this is a movement that I have tremendous sympathy for because I can understand

00:01:10.740 if you buy into all of this gender war stuff, especially what the men's rights movement and

00:01:19.940 the red pill movement and the MGTOW movement, all of butcher movements, I have sympathies to 1.00

00:01:25.300 many of their complaints. But if you buy into the extreme iteration of their arguments and these

00:01:32.020 movements have been around, you know, about 10 years now in terms of like really being dominant in

00:01:36.580 online culture. And so you're a man and you grow up being constantly told how hard it is to be a man

00:01:44.500 and how society doesn't care about you. And then that is to some extent validated by your personal

00:01:50.340 experiences and what you see in the world. Well, this scene can seem like a really appealing option.

00:01:57.140 Yeah. And at a societal level, it's also really interesting. So we talk about in our book on how

00:02:04.660 sort of cultures evolve to deal with different things. Typically, when you have a culture with

00:02:11.060 a high level of polyamory, well, not really polyamory, sorry, polygyny, you don't really see

00:02:17.300 polyamory in diverse cultures. Polygyny. Many women to one man, when you see that in a culture of 0.81

00:02:25.780 persistence through generations, one of the things that you will also see tied to these cultures is

00:02:30.420 higher rates of terrorism, dishonesty, and often a murder. If you contrast them with

00:02:40.100 monogamous cultures that are in their neighbors, and this is directly correlated with a number

00:02:43.940 of unconnected men in these societies, unpartnered men in these societies. And this makes sense from

00:02:48.900 a biological perspective. I mean, their biology is like, basically, you have to do anything you can

00:02:53.700 to find a partner. And there are, we go over into their books, there are exceptions to this,

00:02:59.380 and they're narrow and whatever. But one way that some cultures have sort of evolved to deal with

00:03:04.660 this is when a guy happens to be born gay is they will force them to transition. And you see this in 0.95

00:03:11.540 some conservative Islamic cultures. And it's a way of artificially increasing the number of women in a 1.00

00:03:20.260 society. I mean, you're both eliminating a guy who likely was unsatisfied and not going to find a

00:03:24.820 partner and not going to be accepted by that society. And you are creating a new woman who can 1.00

00:03:29.140 satisfy one of these other low status men in the society who may have turned to terrorism or some

00:03:34.340 other socially caustic act. And so we predicted, before the trans-vaxxing movement had started, 0.96

00:03:40.900 that we were going to begin to see pressure on low status men to transition merely because they were

00:03:50.180 low status men. And the first place you really saw this take off was this sort of cult. You can

00:03:54.500 google like the, I don't think it was called trans-vaxxing at the time, but the gender reassignment

00:03:58.580 cult that started on 4chan. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They go around and they try to

00:04:03.700 pressure young men into transitioning to build sort of harems of men, well, of now women. I mean, 0.82

00:04:12.900 I don't know if they count as trans in the traditional context. Was it called the Femboy movement?

00:04:15.460 Was that it? It was Femboys. Femboys. Well, yeah. So they wanted them to maintain this. And this is 0.95

00:04:21.780 an interesting thing about the trans-vaxxing movement. They don't push transitioning in a

00:04:25.620 traditional context. So they don't push a genital reassignment. For example, they push a hormone

00:04:32.580 therapy and they push top surgery. But for bottom surgery, they're like, well, you can be somebody's

00:04:39.060 fetish. So, you know, and I love a lot of communities. They're like, don't humanize me.

00:04:43.540 This community is like, ah, an area I can gain in the marketplace.

00:04:47.460 This dynamic is actually really underrated because honestly, there are so many people who have very high

00:04:54.020 standards who could get someone technically out of their league just because they happen to feature

00:05:00.260 a fetish of that person. And so many of these people are like, oh, no, I would never, never date

00:05:06.740 him because, you know, he's into, you know, my, I don't know, gnarled feet. I have no idea. My over

00:05:12.580 large boobs, who knows what it is. Right. But no, like that's the whole point. And it's so one of the 0.99

00:05:17.300 reasons why I love the trans-vaxxing community is for that is like, there's so much pragmatism.

00:05:22.660 There's so much like it's, but it's not just pragmatism. It's like enthusiastic

00:05:30.180 leveraging of market asymmetries in a way that I just find to be wonderful. It's, it's a joyful

00:05:38.420 opportunism. Right.

00:05:39.780 Well, and for some of them accepting their lot in life as it is, um, I mean, it is true that if you,

00:05:46.420 you know, uh, uh, for, for some men, because of the way that they're born, you know, if you're born

00:05:51.220 uniquely unattractive and, uh, not very smart. Hey, or just uniquely feminine. Um, and that's, 0.99

00:05:57.780 that's another argument that's made in this community is, um, in, for example, just broader,

00:06:04.500 like M to F trans subreddits, for example, there's some gatekeeping going on where they're like, oh,

00:06:09.940 trans maxers aren't real trans people. You know, transitioning is actually really difficult. 1.00

00:06:15.700 This is actually something that, you know, you feel it's because you feel bad. Um, and there's,

00:06:22.420 there, there've been some posts where people have been like, well, actually no transitioning doesn't

00:06:26.660 have to be difficult. You know, maybe you just inject estrogen once a week and it, it, you know,

00:06:30.980 things actually working out really well. Like there's a lot of people who are making arguments

00:06:34.900 who are, who actually like, no, really like, I just make a lot more sense as a woman. Um, and I,

00:06:40.660 I feel like honestly, like along both genders, um, like based on what, however you're born and what,

00:06:46.020 what you've been assigned at birth, like that in some cases you just work out better slightly

00:06:51.860 on the other side. And this is something that shows up right with gender and sexuality and

00:06:55.140 gender in general, and the way that we manifest it's, it's all averages, you know, that these are 0.76

00:06:59.540 average collections of traits where men tend to trend in certain clusters and women tend to trend in

00:07:05.540 different clusters. And sometimes all your clusters are a little bit closer to the other end.

00:07:10.660 Um, because you're a little bit of an outlier for whatever sex you've been assigned at birth.

00:07:14.900 So it's not even, it's not even that, which is interesting.

00:07:18.500 Well, so I also think another thing here is we are moving towards a society where people are okay

00:07:27.060 with experimenting with new social models of gender. Um, and gender means different things.

00:07:35.700 And this I think is really fascinating. So, um, what, one of the, the, the, you know,

00:07:43.620 I would say if I had a complaint with the larger trans movements, they're like, this is what gender 1.00

00:07:47.940 means sometimes some poor people in the movement. And, and this is like the only thing gender can 0.84

00:07:52.260 mean. Um, and it's super sacred to a person's identity and it's really, really important to

00:07:56.820 a person's identity. And that is not true of all cultures. Not all cultures relate to gender that

00:08:01.860 way. This is just the way that the modern dominant progressive culture within our society relates to

00:08:06.900 it. And I think the way that transvaxxers are not trans to a large extent is they are relating

00:08:15.540 to gender in almost a post trans world way. They are like gender is not important to who I am. It is 0.54

00:08:24.900 something I have control over and I can choose and I am taking ownership of my gender to give myself 0.62

00:08:33.460 an easier lifestyle. And that's just fascinating. And it, and it, and it runs really contrary to the

00:08:43.700 predominant society's view of gender. And I want to, I mean, for me, I wouldn't say I

00:08:48.740 necessarily agree with either of these views of gender. Uh, obviously we have a very unique way

00:08:53.620 that we engage with gender. Like we see it as being something that's a temporary thing while you're

00:08:59.620 young and not really relevant when you're married. Um, and, and, and something that you use to sort of

00:09:04.580 help sort partners, but this is just the way our family uses it. Right. Um, and I think that it's cool

00:09:11.700 that we live in this society where there's all of the different cultural ways of relating to gender.

00:09:16.260 And I wouldn't look down on any cultural system of relating to gender until we had data on how it

00:09:23.460 was affecting people who grew up in it. Um, and, and we can argue whether or not we're getting that data

00:09:28.020 now. Uh, but I think, you know, the predominant society right now isn't working and it's not,

00:09:34.580 I mean, the suicide rates across our predominant society right now are crazy high for, for use compared

00:09:39.620 to, you know, what they have been in the past, the level of despondency, the level of nihilism.

00:09:44.900 Um, so I, I don't think it's working. So, you know, because the predominant social cultural group

00:09:51.060 isn't working, I'm always going to support anyone who's trying something weird and different.

00:09:56.900 Yeah. Well, part of me also wonders if right now we're making a much bigger deal of gender

00:10:03.140 than we have historically. I think you're right. We are. And I think that in the past, um, if a guy

00:10:09.620 just wanted to manifest more as a woman and a woman just wanted to manifest more as a man that like, 0.68

00:10:14.740 for the most part, people didn't really stop them. Um, even if you were poor. Um, so like,

00:10:21.140 I mean, we have, um, uh, I, I mean, I wish I could find this. I was, I was watching, uh,

00:10:27.140 historians discuss this on YouTube and it was in the context of, um, sex workers in the middle ages,

00:10:33.620 I think. And they pointed out how, um, one clearly male to female trans sex worker got in trouble for

00:10:41.620 something, but it had nothing to do with being trans. It had something to do with like paying

00:10:46.500 taxes or something like, so it just like, it was, you know, it was very clear that it was fine for

00:10:52.260 them to court culture. So talk a bit about where you saw this in court culture.

00:10:55.300 Yeah. So the, the brother of Louis the 14th famously, I mean, he was a military hero in many

00:11:01.140 ways. He was extremely masculine. Um, but he also would, he had, uh, he had a famous boyfriend.

00:11:08.340 He would dress in elaborate women's clothing. Um, and that was just like, that's what he did.

00:11:15.300 That's an interesting thing that you bring up here. So in today's society, we would draw really

00:11:21.860 thick, thick boundaries between being gay, being trans and being a cross dresser.

00:11:28.180 Uh, but also like being a super masculine warrior. It's like, if you combine

00:11:34.260 No, no, no. But the point I'm making, I'm talking about a fence today. If you were like,

00:11:39.860 if you use somebody having a boyfriend as a sign that they were trans, that would be a very offensive

00:11:45.460 thing to say because being gay has nothing to do with being trans, which has nothing to do with

00:11:50.900 being a cross dresser. So dressing in women's clothes is not seen as part of being trans.

00:11:55.380 You can have actually the vast majority of people by today's statistics that, that do men

00:12:00.820 who dress in women's clothes are straight men. Uh, uh, uh, yeah, they're just straight men,

00:12:07.300 straight cis men.

00:12:08.260 Well, and I'm not saying that Louis the 14th.

00:12:10.580 The point I'm making is that historically that these are modern constructs to an extent,

00:12:16.420 cross-dressing, trans, gay. They are important modern constructs for community

00:12:22.660 and self-identification in our society. And they do describe clusters of behavior patterns,

00:12:29.220 like, uh, uh, people who are born or feel who are male, who are attracted to

00:12:36.180 male genitals or people who are, uh, you know, who prefer to have dysphoria or don't have dysphoria, 0.56

00:12:43.140 but want to, uh, present as actually another gender instead of just like another gender for

00:12:47.940 the purposes of art, uh, which is really what cross-dressing is often seen as, but it also

00:12:52.900 can be, um, sort of a, we go into much more detail in this in the practice of anti-sexuality,

00:12:57.460 but, um, that these distinctions didn't exist in other cultures and they didn't necessarily exist

00:13:04.420 in history. So when you would have people who related to gender or sexuality in unusual ways,

00:13:13.380 like this historical figure that you're talking about, um, there wasn't this concern is,

00:13:19.540 is this person gay? Are they trans? Are they a cross-dresser? It's just, they were just doing 1.00

00:13:24.900 whatever they wanted to because there wasn't, at least within their class status and their

00:13:29.460 privileges in society, there wasn't any cost to doing whatever they wanted to. So they weren't

00:13:33.540 really concerned about, I mean, I think there was a cost and there's a cost to being different,

00:13:38.740 different, but they were just always the cost of being different. And I, and that was, that was,

00:13:42.340 I think that's the thing is it was just his thing. It wasn't, oh my gosh, he's doing this thing with

00:13:49.380 gender slash sex, whatever it is that they wanted, you know, but it was more just like,

00:13:54.260 oh, he's that he's doing his thing. You know, it would, it would be just as weird if someone like,

00:13:58.420 I don't know, dressing as a child, actually that would probably be seen as even weirder,

00:14:02.580 um, come to think of it. Um, I'm, I'm really interested in where things go next. You know,

00:14:08.740 I think the reason why the trans and max movement interests me so much is it's a sign that a portion

00:14:15.460 of our society is moving past, uh, strict gender constructs and sees gender as a tool. Like they do 0.98

00:14:23.140 recognize there are differences between men and women. There are differences between social roles

00:14:28.420 for men and women, but gender is something under my control in a world where it's easy to access 0.99

00:14:33.220 hormone therapy and stuff like that. And how, how do I now relate to this change and what gender

00:14:39.380 means? Um, and I think that one of the things we talk about in our book is that, uh, you know,

00:14:45.140 to actually identify as trans in our society is enormously costly. Um, uh, in terms of, well,

00:14:51.700 it can be, it depends on your social circle and stuff like that, but broadly it's pretty costly in,

00:14:56.580 in most of the world's cultures today. Well, I think it's made more costs. Honestly,

00:14:59.940 I think it's made more costly by all the cultural baggage around it because now people feel like

00:15:04.180 choked up, like, Oh my, I don't know what to say. I, I, I don't know how to just be like,

00:15:10.020 Oh yeah, this is your name now. Like, okay. And now, yeah. Like people just kind of pick up on it,

00:15:15.380 you know? But what's really interesting is we argue that the level of pro dromal transness are

00:15:20.900 sort of like below, like these are people who'd probably prefer to identify as the other gender,

00:15:25.300 but just don't is actually probably pretty high in society. Um, and what we use for that is if you

00:15:30.580 look at people when they get a choice of gender presentation. So by that, what I mean is in video

00:15:36.500 games, in, uh, uh, furries, when they choose, uh, what they wear about 20% of people, uh, men or women

00:15:43.860 in video games prefer to play as the opposite gender. And there are many reasons this could be,

00:15:50.980 but I suspect one of it is that there's a vault tied to what gender do I want to identify as impulse.

00:16:05.540 Um, and that people who have a low iteration of this volume meter, but it's on the opposite side of

00:16:11.300 the gender they were born. Uh, they find release in recreational environments. Um, which would

00:16:19.540 indicate that the level of quote unquote, this type of trans is actually really common. Um, and it's 0.99

00:16:25.300 hidden by the fact that we have in our society confused what is, um, a, a, a cluster of, um, impulses,

00:16:38.180 uh, and identity, uh, well, the cluster of impulses with a, uh, political and cultural community that

00:16:46.900 has a lot of other, uh, baggage to it. Like you were saying. Well, what I'd really love, uh, to dig

00:16:54.900 deeper into is other new ways of engaging and identifying with gender. Um, I think in online spaces,

00:17:05.060 we'll see some interesting stuff, but also new cultures that arise. So, you know, with the rise

00:17:10.660 of artificial wombs and IBG and what IBG will allow is, you know, gay couples, for example,

00:17:15.620 have kids that are a hundred percent biologically theirs. You know, if you're forming new family

00:17:19.540 structures, do you build a new types of genders for roles in this that are recurring across family

00:17:27.140 structures in these communities? Like, are there, and maybe you have like three people in a family,

00:17:33.060 right? Like three parents or something like that. Do they end up sorting into the same types of roles

00:17:38.420 within the family unit? One of the things that Simone and I have always been really surprised

00:17:41.940 about is how much we sort inter-digital, um, masculine and feminine roles within the family.

00:17:47.540 Like Simone, your domain is the house. Your domain is infants. My domain is older kids. And my domain is,

00:17:55.060 uh, you know, uh, yard work, any sort of manual labor, any sort of fixing, anything that goes broken in

00:18:02.020 the house. Um, and yet, uh, you know, we didn't sort into these out of any desire to fulfill sort

00:18:08.820 of a masculine or feminine role. It was just, I don't know, maybe the, the sets of skills we came

00:18:14.100 into things with, or like, why do you think things sorted out that way?

00:18:19.380 I think that that has to do with average tendencies and preferences that like male and female brains tend to

00:18:27.140 have. And I think that a lot of that has to do with our hormonal makeup. Um, but maybe also just some

00:18:32.500 structural things. Um, I, I mean, look at, look at also just the, the difference between someone who

00:18:39.540 went through male puberty versus female puberty. It would be kind of weird if people who went through

00:18:44.900 female puberty were on average, more likely to be inclined to do like big, heavy lifting outside, 1.00

00:18:51.220 like the kind that you do when that's like literally so much harder for me. Um, so I,

00:18:57.380 I think that has more to do with it. What do you think? Well, actually, so this is an interesting

00:19:01.220 point we make in the book. And I think that this ties to a point I was making earlier where I say

00:19:04.820 a lot of this stuff is cultural and we pretend that it's not cultural, like it's a truism, but,

00:19:10.020 but it is cultural to an extent. And I think a good example of that is both you and I,

00:19:14.180 neither of us really identify strongly with our gender. Like we just don't care. Like it's, 0.98

00:19:17.860 I, I feel no impulse to really strongly be a guy. And within the, um, the, the LGBT community,

00:19:27.300 this would be called, uh, being agender, which is a type of genderqueer, uh, which is a type of 0.79

00:19:33.940 trans. Um, and, uh, people, you can look this up. I actually had people disagree with me on this,

00:19:39.700 who were like progressives and thought they were up to date with progressive culture. They're like,

00:19:43.860 no, that's not considered genderqueer. Just if you're agender. And I was like, no, like,

00:19:47.700 look it up. All of the major LGBT organizations right now would consider that the definition of

00:19:53.300 genderqueer, any sort of non-normal gender, uh, impulse. But what's interesting is despite this, 0.92

00:19:58.660 I still identify as a man. I have no interest in identifying as anything else. And anyone

00:20:02.180 of my cultural background would just because that's the way that I and my culture relates to gender. 0.99

00:20:10.020 Um, and you still identify as a woman, um, even though you don't like have this impulse

00:20:15.540 towards identifying as a woman. Um, and I actually suspect that this might be where a portion of the

00:20:21.780 anti-trans, uh, sentiment comes from in our society. Because if you look at, uh, homophobic tendencies

00:20:29.940 in the population, they are actually the highest among people with very low sex drives. There was

00:20:35.620 a study done on this and I found it really interesting. And it's likely because these people

00:20:40.420 can't model what it would feel like to be like, you're really attracted to women and somebody

00:20:46.740 comes to you and they're like, I'm really only attracted to men. You're like, oh, I get it.

00:20:49.940 Like, I can understand why you're making such a fuss about this. If you have a very low sex drive, 0.99

00:20:55.540 you'd be like, why, why are you campaigning for special rights? Like, why is this a thing for you? 0.98

00:20:59.860 So if that's also true for people who have very low gender identities, and it turns out a big 0.95

00:21:06.180 portion of the population, much bigger than has low sex drives, which the data seems to indicate

00:21:09.940 with something like 35 to 40% of the population is like us, like just does not really care that much

00:21:15.780 about how they're gender identified in public or whatever. Um, that, uh, you would have this higher 0.81

00:21:22.260 rate of why do people care so much about this? Why are they asking for, you know, why are they

00:21:27.780 disrupting like my day and my politics to bring this up as an issue? And it would lead to that,

00:21:34.180 uh, negative stigma where it may not otherwise exist. I don't know.

00:21:39.540 And I think that's, that's maybe just the future is people are not going to care that much. It's

00:21:46.340 just not going to matter. There are going to be so many different ways of approaching this.

00:21:50.020 A lot of people just won't care. A lot of people will pick and choose elements of what they manifest.

00:21:55.300 And that's like, honestly, I'm super, I'm super ready for that. I mean, like,

00:22:00.900 especially with online avatars, you know, entering that world. Um,

00:22:04.260 yeah, it starts to matter a lot less.

00:22:06.500 Well, the hypothesis was conservative culture that it would have against this position is you

00:22:12.020 could not have healthy families, healthy marriages and raise kids who want to continue that culture 0.91

00:22:17.460 if you don't buy into traditional gender roles. And, um, I mean, unfortunately we're not a

00:22:21.700 counter example to that because we live pretty traditional gender roles. Um, 0.76

00:22:25.380 so, uh, but I, I, I, and I don't know, I genuinely don't know. We may find that there is some model

00:22:32.340 of non-traditional gender roles that can create a replicable and growing and, and, and healthy.

00:22:36.980 When I say healthy, I mean a family that in a culture that's breeding above replacement rate

00:22:40.980 and the kids want to stay in that culture. We may see that emerge and we may not see that emerge.

00:22:46.020 I mean, we're either in the greatest collapse of cultures in human history is about to happen.

00:22:51.380 And this huge erasure of cultural diversity across our society or a sort of a new Cambrian

00:22:56.900 explosion of cultures where we're getting a chance to try so many different cultures

00:23:01.220 because now the way you can culturally win is, is not by fighting other groups. I mean,

00:23:06.740 in a world where almost everyone is, is declining in fertility rates, other than people living in 0.98

00:23:10.660 like desperately poor countries, uh, you win was in developed countries just by having more kids

00:23:15.940 in other cultural groups and having those kids want to stay in that cultural group.

00:23:19.620 Well, I would actually just, here's what I would say though, to the conservative point is that many

00:23:23.380 conservatives, when they picture, you know, the, the balance of masculinity and femininity and having

00:23:29.140 those strong examples for children who are raised in a family, I think that they're using

00:23:36.500 jokingly hilarious caricatures of what gender is. And when you actually look at different cultures

00:23:44.660 throughout history and what femininity, femininity and masculinity looked like in those cultures,

00:23:50.900 many of them, like men exhibited, what would be seen as much more female characteristics in some

00:23:56.260 way and vice versa. Um, like, uh, Scots Irish back country people during the colonial era, like, 0.98

00:24:01.860 you know, visitors from other cultures would just be horrified to see like a woman go out back 1.00

00:24:06.420 and slaughter a cow and then come in, take the bloody apron off and like serve tea. 1.00

00:24:12.980 That's very you though. That's our cultural background. 0.64

00:24:16.180 This is our people. Um, but you know, I think that that's, that's the thing is that's not like

00:24:21.940 you're growing up in a family without gender dimorphism. You know, I think that the key is for

00:24:27.060 kids to grow up with, with, with parents who have different roles that they may or may not fill

00:24:35.300 to see that they, there are different, you know, characters that they can aspire to in the future.

00:24:40.980 Um, but that there's a lot more flexibility when it comes to these gender norms than you would think, 1.00

00:24:46.260 even when you go back to much more traditional. Yeah. No, it's a misnomer that society used to have

00:24:51.940 these, you know, the, the, the way that people think there was some cultures in the fifties that

00:24:57.860 were elevated by sitcoms that presented as we argue that the nuclear family was not a historic

00:25:04.580 way of structuring the family. It used to be the corporate family was a historic way of structuring

00:25:07.620 where everyone worked together, but also these strong gender differences. Um, and I, I love this,

00:25:13.700 this joke that we have is that we have a generation of young men today who grew up being catfished by,

00:25:19.860 uh, women pretending to be super hot or, or, or grew up catfish by men pretending to be super hot,

00:25:29.620 attractive women in online forums. And now they're being catfished by, uh, again, scrawny men, 0.95

00:25:37.220 but, but this time pretending to be super hot, super attractive male philosophers in online forums.

00:25:43.620 Because if you look at the, uh, thumbnails that are used within these communities,

00:25:47.860 they're often, you know, of these ultra, uh, ripped guys, uh, was, was, you know, the, the, the very

00:25:55.940 chattish aesthetic. But, uh, if you actually, you know, whatever, one of these peoples gets

00:26:00.900 revealed to the public, you find out that they, um, they, they, they do not look that masculine.

00:26:07.620 Um, and it's because of this, which is also really interesting.

00:26:11.620 We talk about different relation to gayness, for example, the homoeroticism of the far right

00:26:19.700 in the way that they relate to the masculine identity is really fascinating, uh, which you see

00:26:24.980 throughout. And, and the far right is really beginning to embrace this, like with, with

00:26:29.060 bronze age pervert really embraces this homoerotic aesthetic, uh, in a way that I find to be really 0.99

00:26:34.900 fascinating. I, I, I, I really like him as a philosopher and as an artist in the way he produces his

00:26:41.140 philosophy. But I think I get it though. I think I get it. And I think it, I actually think it's

00:26:45.220 distinctly not sexual. Um, even though, and, and I think again, it's, it's the way that we.

00:26:50.260 I don't think it's sexual, but it is homoerotic in aesthetic.

00:26:52.980 In aesthetic. Yeah. But a lot of that's because of the way that we have charged a lot of these

00:26:57.620 things and started to conflate a lot of these things. Yeah. And I think in the end, the funny

00:27:01.380 thing is it's like a uniquely non-sexual kind of, it is, it is romantic in the sense of like idealized,

00:27:09.140 pedestalized. Um, but it is not sexual and it's, it's actively unsexual in the fact that what you're

00:27:14.820 talking about is men appreciating masculinity totally in the absence of the female gaze in

00:27:22.020 the absence of female onlookers, competitors, um, females to be won over these aren't men positioning 0.83

00:27:29.300 and peacocking and fighting with each other over women. These are men being men. And I think that

00:27:34.980 that's so interesting. Cause like, of course, like my first impression when I, when I see stuff like

00:27:39.220 that, as I'm like, that looks. Yeah. Like I'm assuming this is gay content, but it's not. And 0.99

00:27:46.100 that's again, like, I'm so looking forward to it. What do I like it? You like bronze age pervert.

00:27:52.500 You're, you're a big fan. I'm really, no, I'm really not into the look. Um, you are, you are,

00:27:56.980 you are my type. Um, I, I do not, I do not do muscular ripped. I, I want pale and thin and, um,

00:28:06.820 smart and I'm sorry. I sorry, not sorry. I can't, but yeah, I, it's really, it's really not my type.

00:28:14.340 And I think it's hard for many guys who aspire to this, like ripped ideal to understand that a huge

00:28:22.100 swath of women are not at all into this. Although it's weird considering how popular, 1.00

00:28:27.940 like a lot of non-ripped aesthetics are. Um, but anyway, I think it's hard for many men to realize.

00:28:34.260 I think actually, um, in the same way that not all men are into like the bimbo Barbie girl. 0.94

00:28:41.220 In fact, I, in many ways, I feel like more women do the bimbo Barbie girl look for other women. 0.87

00:28:46.340 I think that many men do the, the bronze age pervert, like ripped man. 0.96

00:28:52.260 Oh yeah. For other men. It's for other men. And I'm like, that is so gross looking. Like I,

00:28:58.740 I would not. Yeah. But again, and it's, I think it's the same with women and makeup. Women wear 1.00

00:29:03.220 makeup for other women. Men get swole for other men. That's a great way to put it. It is male makeup. 0.98

00:29:11.380 It's something that matters to other men, but not really to women that much.

00:29:15.300 Yes. And with that, I need to go do a gender and amorphic thing. Um, that, that is to say, 0.96

00:29:20.180 make dinner taco night, taco night. Thank you for making wonderful dinner for the family.

00:29:25.620 Thank you for picking up the boys. I love you, Malcolm. I love you too, Simone.

Based Camp - May 08, 2023

Based Camp： Transmaxxing, Gender Constructs, and BAP.

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