Based Camp - Based Camp： What if Reincarnation Were Real？

00:00:00.000 hello malcolm hello simone so for our topic for this one it actually was something that was

00:00:08.420 inspired by an interview we did with another podcast do you remember the name of the podcast

00:00:12.900 by the way it was the podcast weird and worthwhile weird and worthwhile okay so i want to give them

00:00:17.980 a shout out if people want to check out that episode but at one point of it they asked us

00:00:22.940 they go okay so you know some people believe in reincarnation i got the impression that they did

00:00:28.040 they're like okay so assume reincarnation is true how does that change how you think of what you're

00:00:35.520 trying to maximize for the human species and i just went off at that point i think what they

00:00:42.320 expected is oh you tweak here and here in terms of how you're modifying like maximizing you know this

00:00:48.160 or that but no if i assume that reincarnation is real and i change something when we describe how

00:00:56.640 people have belief systems about the world we describe them as like a tree right when then

00:01:01.640 they have a lot of branching parts to them if reincarnation is true the core trunk of that tree

00:01:09.540 is completely changed which changes all of the sub branches for us

00:01:14.720 yeah i'm so surprised because nothing changes for me so far this is my default nothing is different i'm

00:01:21.080 not okay so we have just scientists have confirmed and this is something that scientists could confirm

00:01:27.140 that's a really cool thing about it scientists could tomorrow be like yes we have proven that people

00:01:31.820 could know things that they could only know if reincarnation happened right so so this is something

00:01:37.700 that could be concretely proven at some point right that means a number of other things first it means

00:01:45.380 that humans have a soul that's separate from their physical body this is not something that we believe

00:01:52.160 right if humans have a soul that's separate from their physical body that means that some other form of

00:02:00.340 reality exists or some other form of material exists and this material or form of reality is likely

00:02:09.920 more important than the reality that we perceive so let me explain what i mean by this mom because

00:02:16.620 you're looking dubious at me i'm still extremely dubious yeah nothing nothing is changing still for

00:02:21.060 me nothing's different okay so if it turns out that a person's memories for example and this is i think

00:02:26.640 what they mean when they they say reincarnation if you're just reincarnating a soul but nothing is is

00:02:31.400 carried between the two individuals but nothing is okay but that's not what we're talking about here

00:02:37.280 we're talking about the people who think they can remember past lives and stuff like that

00:02:41.140 because if this other form of reincarnation this is a form of reincarnation where you remember your

00:02:47.140 past life because i'm sorry only hippie to be people and my right but i'm saying suppose scientist

00:02:52.960 proves this because it is something you could prove okay okay and then then what in that everyone

00:02:56.940 is capable of remembering their past lives doesn't need to be everyone only needs to be one person

00:03:02.520 concretely proved if you prove just a single person what have you proven what you've proven

00:03:08.020 is that some aspect of some human's identity so it could turn out that not all humans have these souls

00:03:15.000 but it turns out that at least some humans have these souls or whatever you want to call them

00:03:19.160 some sort of like metaphysical imprint of their identity and this identity can travel between

00:03:26.060 individuals without like physical information transferring between those individuals right like the

00:03:31.880 dalai lama right and i mean you could argue that they've proven it i mean he picks out i don't

00:03:38.240 think that they've proven it at all key things i don't know i mean they would argue that they have

00:03:41.980 if the person they had scientists would be going there and researching it like you understand how

00:03:47.400 much this would change every aspect by their standards of evidence though i mean i think that

00:03:51.680 previous dalai lamas have said you're acting like esp research departments didn't used to exist

00:03:58.660 they still do there's still a lot of people researching this i'm just saying their standards

00:04:02.560 yes yes a little different dollars is there's people researching this no one has concretely

00:04:07.980 proven ghosts exist no one has concretely proven esp exists if they did and and simone you know my

00:04:14.980 youtube habits okay yeah i am not somebody who hasn't found this evidence because i'm not looking

00:04:20.640 yeah i know literally i think that the truth is out there but the truth is is not accepted per our

00:04:28.960 standards of truth literally about a quarter of all the information i consume is about cryptids or ghosts

00:04:35.640 or esp or so i'm out there consuming but none of the information none of the research into this that has

00:04:42.520 been done has been of a standard where i was convinced that it was accurate okay right it changed my

00:04:49.620 beliefs but i am very very open to having my beliefs changed on this subject if i felt that there was

00:04:54.400 compelling evidence okay but if that evidence was true like if it turned out that some aspect of an

00:04:59.100 individual could be transferred between individuals without like direct informational transfer between

00:05:03.180 those individuals in the material plane what that would mean is there is some aspect of of some

00:05:08.440 human's identity again it could be that not everyone has a soul in some human's identity that is extra

00:05:14.320 material okay if that's true then that's the aspect of the human identity that is experiencing

00:05:22.620 one consciousness two our emotions like pain suffering everything like that right and if that's true

00:05:31.960 what that could mean is that pain and suffering or happiness you know when when we dismiss those things

00:05:39.380 right the reason i most commonly dismiss them is i believe that the reason that we feel them is just

00:05:44.700 serendipitously our ancestors who had those sociological predilections had more surviving offspring

00:05:49.640 this would imply that the reason we feel those things is something else it's something almost supernatural

00:05:57.140 no where is that implication that implication is nowhere it would still make perfect sense that those

00:06:02.160 signals are felt because it can ensure survival on a more effective go for that time you know it's a

00:06:08.660 it'll it'll it'll help you have a more successful round of play for that particular life so why would

00:06:14.580 you not feel those stimuli in a way that helps you avoid the things that will shorten your play and reduce

00:06:20.420 your effectiveness that even if you saw this your assumption would be that our souls evolved along with our

00:06:28.420 bodies and that they're like a tool that our bodies are using yeah either either they're some weird

00:06:36.180 emergent property or thing that has has formed as a product of the you know the way we we developed or

00:06:46.120 some weird quantum energy thing with other universes that we don't quite understand like the way that that

00:06:51.220 our biological matter interacts with other dimensions or something right like i whatever you know maybe

00:06:57.340 that's happening but that doesn't change the fact that we evolved to do what we did and it also doesn't

00:07:01.640 change functionally how we live our lives i mean first maybe not everyone has one of these things

00:07:06.260 that transfers to maybe you transfer into a goat so what are you going to do about that or maybe you

00:07:11.240 transfer into someone who doesn't have the same resources that they did before and of course the

00:07:15.960 memory transfer is imperfect in so far as i can tell the vast majority of cases so a lot of it doesn't

00:07:22.840 matter like if you if you do transfer from one life to the next you're probably going to then

00:07:27.700 maintain the same objective function but also you can't like plan for that it's not you can i mean

00:07:32.560 i guess theoretically you could try to in one life accumulate a lot of wealth and then leave a cash

00:07:38.100 that is hidden like a you know buried treasure and then go get that cash to have a head start on your

00:07:42.940 next life and build cumulative advantage i'm surprised that people who believe in reincarnation

00:07:47.000 haven't been doing that like yeah if you believed you had multiple lives wouldn't you yeah but what if

00:07:51.640 you're you know what if the vast majority of time because you know many versions of

00:07:54.300 reincarnation involve being born into well maybe you'll end up a cow maybe you'll end up a worm

00:07:58.560 maybe you'll end up you know so there's all these generations who knows like how many generations how

00:08:02.080 many rolls of the dice it takes for you to get into a human body and then how many rolls of the dice

00:08:06.380 did it take you to get into a human body that is even empowered to be able to travel somewhere to get

00:08:11.740 to the cash i mean we are in the top one this is what i love about your thesis is it actually makes

00:08:18.880 sense and it does allow you to not change much of your world perspective well you wouldn't you have to

00:08:23.720 think practically about what it means really interesting i don't know if you grasped of the

00:08:28.340 full implications of this theory that you've crafted well it doesn't matter does it because

00:08:32.680 functionally not much changes so it's just you know it does matter because you're assuming that

00:08:37.620 the soul works in a very specific way so what and it's not the way anyone i have ever heard

00:08:45.540 like you just dropped this really big idea that i have literally never heard in my entire life

00:08:51.240 i mean i'm sure that somebody has probably thought of it before but essentially what you are assuming

00:08:56.240 is that the soul is like a mechanistic entity so by that what i mean is it exists in the same way that

00:09:06.100 material things exist but we just haven't discovered the properties through which it exists yet

00:09:12.180 well no no i mean i'm not saying i'm i'm i'm interpreting the soul through a materialistic lens

00:09:17.200 because i am a pragmatist so i care about what materialistically the implications of the soul are

00:09:23.040 point i was getting to was was the interesting part of what you you said is that evolution picked up

00:09:32.340 this other type of material you know we'll call it like the soul or something like that

00:09:37.320 that may have existed in some sort of primordial form before evolution got to it it would make sense

00:09:43.620 right like maybe imagine that like you have you know you develop at one point an antenna

00:09:47.880 and it's going to pick up some weird radio signals that were already there like at one point my i don't

00:09:53.700 know how this happened but my wired earbuds picked up walkie-talkie signal from construction workers

00:09:59.860 down the street like it is entirely possible to have one thing be able to pick up on another thing

00:10:05.640 due to but you're not even really postulating that it accidentally picked it up what you're postulating

00:10:11.520 is that evolution grabbed it and used it because through using it it was able to increase the number

00:10:19.380 of surviving meat puppets that existed that would make sense but that's not necessary it could be that

00:10:25.520 they just pick up you know that human biology maybe maybe all animal biology sufficiently advanced

00:10:33.520 biological systems pick up this ethereal component yeah or some yeah well or no not even it doesn't

00:10:39.560 have to be ethereal it could be just like there's another you know weird wavelength of another

00:10:44.560 parallel universe it doesn't have to be ethereal outside of our reality okay yeah yeah that just

00:10:50.000 sounds a little too spiritual for me i'm feeling triggered malcolm i'm not safe with that kind of

00:10:53.960 word so if you don't mind you are a goof and i love it no no no i'm liking because this is different

00:11:00.980 to the conclusion i came to i immediately assumed that it must mean that there's actually weight to our

00:11:05.700 emotional states because our emotional well nice try right now when i ask who am i right i am to some

00:11:15.060 extent a combination of my brain like the neurochemical processes of my brain and my body and if there was

00:11:22.020 this other thing that is potentially even more me than the material part of me right then i would need

00:11:29.880 to assign special weight to it when i'm determining what has value in the universe no more than if you

00:11:35.640 had another pair of arms it's not like another pair of arms gets you know precedence on bait like

00:11:40.280 no i i think it'd be very different from another pair of arms so here's why i think it would be

00:11:44.840 different and i love videos where we disagree because i think they're probably much more interesting

00:11:48.200 to our audience we'll call this one like fight malcolm and simone what so so it would be like saying that

00:11:55.240 it turns out our brain isn't the center of cognitive processing because what it would mean

00:12:00.920 is that to some extent cognitive processing is happening in parallel not just within our brains

00:12:07.000 and i disagree i disagree because what what i'm getting the impression is that the soul essentially

00:12:14.440 is something like it's it's like a hard drive that is collecting that they're like a piece of paper

00:12:19.800 that is collecting grit that is somehow getting transferred from one entity so you would see it more as like

00:12:24.680 residue yeah it's just a real residue which can be picked up okay and that would also explain like

00:12:31.880 ghosts right so like it goes for a real two they could work with this conception of the soul sure and

00:12:37.960 that it's ethereal residue which transfers either can become stuck in a physical location or transfers

00:12:44.680 between bodies between generations and if that was true then it would largely be functioning in two ways

00:12:51.080 either the ethereal residue exists in a discrete format in which it's one person one soul you know

00:12:58.840 that these these things are in discrete units and like my one soul goes to a worm or something like

00:13:03.720 that potentially or maybe they only stay within species right but regardless my one soul then goes

00:13:08.280 to the next person right or they exist as more like a fluid that gets poured back into the ethereal realm

00:13:16.600 after a person dies ectoplasm if you will i'm getting so triggered by all this i can't so by that what i

00:13:22.040 mean is when i die my soul might become like 10 of 10 other people's identity instead of you know like

00:13:31.720 dropping like a fluid with like food coloring back into the ocean or something oh yeah well that can help

00:13:37.240 to explain why some people would remember their past whereas others wouldn't because most like most souls

00:13:43.560 get mixed up collectively to the point of abstraction whereas maybe others would get kind of like just

00:13:49.480 not get mixed up for some reason yeah so i just came up with a great thesis that can make a lot of

00:13:54.440 the the holes in the multiple lives things make more sense okay so one of the biggest problems with

00:14:00.200 people who believe in multiple lives is they're very likely to believe that they were really important

00:14:03.800 people in the past um no it's true you just you just hear this constantly and yeah my my my paternal

00:14:11.160 grandmother just thought that she was a particular type of native american she had extremely distinct

00:14:16.440 memories that she believed that she had so no not everyone i think a lot of people not everyone but a

00:14:20.840 lot of people i'd say that that more often than not they believe they were important people in some way

00:14:27.720 you know and on top of that not everyone believes not everyone has these experiences right this was a

00:14:34.840 universal experience that you had lived multiple lives then just everyone would be like oh yeah i

00:14:39.560 know that because i have that experience right so what if it turns out that actually not everyone

00:14:45.480 has a soul only important people have souls we're sort of like there's this theory you know there's

00:14:51.320 the theory that we are in a algorithmically like we our reality is a computer program yeah and some

00:14:58.680 people believe that there's an iteration of the theory that yes our reality is a computer program

00:15:03.400 but it's not a fully function like not everyone is fully programmed most people are just literal npcs

00:15:10.120 and there's maybe a hundred to ten thousand people in the world who are fully programmed it's similar to

00:15:15.080 that theory which is to say that not everyone has one of these souls just the important people who

00:15:20.920 change world history and so what that means is that would explain why people keep getting these

00:15:25.960 important souls because only important people have souls um we aren't important enough to get one of

00:15:32.120 these souls and it would also explain why so many people might have cleopatra reborn because her soul might

00:15:38.760 actually exist in portions within multiple people's bodies oh interesting yeah so that would explain why

00:15:46.760 multiple people might simultaneously be claiming to be the same people living multiple lives yeah

00:15:52.360 because there's no no reason why this kind of material would have to be like one-to-one transferred

00:15:59.880 yeah well and it may and it may be like okay so you would have a small amount in oh he's here

00:16:06.840 edward dutton is outside our house right now oh

00:16:09.240 oh well it was great talking with you malcolm but we have to go i actually really like this one

00:16:15.720 i'd like to continue it at some point all right i love you malcolm thanks for this

Based Camp - August 09, 2023

Based Camp： What if Reincarnation Were Real？

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