Based Camp - July 09, 2023


Based Camp： What's Behind the Fabric of Reality？

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mathematical reality theory descender worship passion and manipulation
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Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
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Malcolm Simone Occam
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In this episode, we talk about a theory that Malcolm and Simone have been obsessed with for a long time. It's called the "Time Cube Theory of Reality" and it's based on the premise that if there are multiple universes, then there must be multiple things that exist within the confines of our reality.

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00:00:00.000 It's a very lightweight theory for sort of the fundamental metaphysics of reality.
00:00:05.880 And it's really one that I have a pretty high confidence is true just because it's lightweight and it means predictions.
00:00:13.300 Fun side note about the theory.
00:00:15.260 I have had multiple people offer to sleep with me after I have told them this theory.
00:00:20.020 What?
00:00:20.800 Yeah, that was a weird thing in college after I had it.
00:00:23.740 This happened on two different occasions.
00:00:25.940 I was hanging out with a-
00:00:26.820 Way to bury the lead.
00:00:28.380 Who cares about the nature of reality?
00:00:31.140 This is how to pick up chicks? 1.00
00:00:33.000 Come on, Malcolm.
00:00:34.380 Let's focus on the stuff that matters here.
00:00:37.340 Would you like to know more?
00:00:38.600 Hi, gorgeous.
00:00:40.260 Hello, Simone. 0.69
00:00:41.840 This is going to be a fun one because this is a big pet theory of mine.
00:00:46.800 It is where I am going to go crazy and I'm going to label this something crazy.
00:00:51.020 Simone today was laughing at some of my titles for videos because she hadn't seen them.
00:00:54.160 Like the one for our marriage contract, sign on the bottom line.
00:00:58.760 And Simone's all like, bleh. 0.98
00:01:00.860 Yeah.
00:01:01.880 Yeah.
00:01:02.480 But what we're about to talk about, I joke with Malcolm about this a lot because there's this amazing YouTube channel called Down the Rabbit Hole.
00:01:09.480 And one of the documentaries or videos is on this crazy guy who has this like theory about the time cube and everything's like cube-based logic.
00:01:19.500 And ever since we watched that video, I make fun of Malcolm saying like he has pile-based logic because he totally doesn't believe in like folding clothes or putting anything away.
00:01:30.560 Like he has a separate room for his like office and bedroom and it is just piles.
00:01:35.820 Everything is piles.
00:01:37.120 I have like buckets, like literally like these big plastic bins that I just throw my clothes in.
00:01:42.940 And my system for clothes is all of the clothes I'm actively using, there's two buckets.
00:01:48.040 So I can dig through one bucket and throw it in the other bucket as I look for what I want that day.
00:01:52.740 I would be completely boned if I didn't have you in my life, Simone.
00:01:58.040 So actually we wanted to start this thing where we're going to end our videos with little snippets from our lives.
00:02:02.940 We created this great video of, at least on YouTube, I mean on the podcast, you know, people aren't going to be able to see it, but to force people to build a parasocial relationship with them.
00:02:12.180 So we're going to, at the end of this one, I'm going to try to get that one of you cleaning up so people can see how useless I am at anything.
00:02:20.720 Well, while I'm doing that, you're watching the nuggets.
00:02:24.380 I'm playing with my kids.
00:02:26.520 I'm playing with my kids.
00:02:28.040 I have brainwashed you into believing that's work.
00:02:31.660 But again, how many housewives have done the same thing, you know? 0.91
00:02:35.420 I mean, but yeah.
00:02:36.960 So yeah, I have to say though, like when I try to get you and actually like hang something up, I'm like, oh, it's, but they're sky piles.
00:02:43.820 It's a sky pile.
00:02:45.060 It's not, you're not hanging it.
00:02:46.560 It's just a sky pile.
00:02:48.920 That's how I got you to do strategy walks.
00:02:50.440 Remember, it's like, you're like, I don't want to go on a walk.
00:02:52.220 I'm like, oh, but it's a strategy walk.
00:02:54.120 So that's, that's why we should, that's why we should go on it.
00:02:56.760 But anyway, you actually have a time cube kind of theory of reality of your own.
00:03:03.000 It's a time cube theory of reality.
00:03:04.640 And I genuinely, like with our future police thing, I'm like, I don't really know if this is true or not.
00:03:11.160 Whatever.
00:03:11.680 Like it's probably, I think 70%, I've convinced myself to believe it.
00:03:15.760 We've confirmation biased our way into kind of believing it.
00:03:18.400 But we also know that we've confirmation biased our way into believing it.
00:03:21.420 Yeah, well, maybe the future police made us do that.
00:03:24.600 But anyway, with this one, this one is, is, is quite different.
00:03:29.000 This one, I'm actually fairly certain that this is actually how reality is structured.
00:03:33.080 Break it down, friend.
00:03:34.680 Okay.
00:03:35.480 So it goes with a few premises.
00:03:37.920 It goes like, if you believe these premises, this is the logical outcome of these premises.
00:03:42.460 First, math is not dependent on our reality.
00:03:48.760 And by that, what I mean is in every possible universe, if there are multiple universes, two plus two always equals four.
00:03:57.500 And obviously you can change the rules of math, like using non-Euclidean math to mean that it has different outcomes.
00:04:05.040 Like math on a sphere versus math on a plane, right?
00:04:08.020 That's going to be different.
00:04:08.820 But that's still within the confines that you give the math, two things and two things is always four things.
00:04:15.280 And so when I accept this, that means that math must exist outside our reality as we perceive it.
00:04:24.280 So essentially sort of like all equations kind of exist outside of our reality as truisms.
00:04:30.840 The second thing that I take as true is that the thing a mathematical equation represents exists as an emergent property of that equation.
00:04:44.320 So let me explain what I mean by this.
00:04:46.460 So if you have a graphical line, like I can write an equation that is used to describe a line.
00:04:54.960 If this is true, it means that that line exists as a property of that equation, even before I physically graph that line.
00:05:06.320 Finally, so this is just three assumptions I'm making here for if you include my assumption that because math exists across reality, that math exists outside of any individual reality.
00:05:20.580 So four assumptions of you include that.
00:05:21.840 But I'm only having four assumptions here.
00:05:22.820 So the fourth is that our reality, the way things interact in our reality, can be described with an equation or set of interlinked equations.
00:05:35.420 Now, this is not something that physics has found yet.
00:05:38.760 Okay.
00:05:39.000 So this is a predictive assumption about something physics will find that physics has not yet found, but it's making this predictive assumption.
00:05:50.500 Okay.
00:05:50.960 And by that, what I mean is we keep finding, like if you go into physics and you dig into particle physics or something like that,
00:05:57.140 we keep finding that forces that originally appeared to be two different forces, like magnetism and electricity or the small force and electricity, later turn out to just be the same thing once you go higher in the equation.
00:06:15.000 Now, physics has not yet, like there's the concept of the unifying theory of physics that we don't have yet, right?
00:06:21.060 But, you know, they're working towards that and I'm predicting that we will find one and it will be basically a single mathematical equation.
00:06:27.540 Okay.
00:06:29.000 So if all of those things are true, then that single mathematical equation that describes how reality is interacting, all the little things within what we perceive to be reality, must exist outside of reality.
00:06:43.660 And the reality that it describes in the same way, like a graph that it describes would also exist parallel to our reality, even if the equation wasn't graphed.
00:06:56.780 I'll use the term graph, manifested, however you want to put it, even if it wasn't simulated.
00:07:01.160 Occam's razor, you don't need to assume that physical reality exists for us to be experiencing all of the things that we think we're experiencing.
00:07:10.320 Does that make sense to you, Simone, or is there anything there I need to elucidate on?
00:07:17.680 What I'd love for you to elaborate on is a lot of people are like, oh, what if we live in a simulation?
00:07:24.220 And I feel like this dovetails in interesting ways with that kind of theory, because what you're saying kind of is, yeah, sure, kind of we're like a sort of an algorithmic simulation,
00:07:35.380 but also like, that doesn't mean that our reality is any less reality.
00:07:41.520 And I think people who think that we're in a simulation kind of get this perception that there's like some other more removed reality, like the real world, you know?
00:07:50.340 So if this theory is true, it means the master reality, the reality outside of a simulation is a self-simulating reality.
00:07:59.800 And so a reality that was contained within a simulation wouldn't be particularly less meaningful than the master reality.
00:08:08.620 It also has some other moral implications.
00:08:10.540 It means that all possible realities that can be described by an equation simultaneously exist.
00:08:18.240 So there are multiple universes, but you cannot travel between them.
00:08:23.500 But any reality described by the same equation, depending on how the equation works, potentially you can travel between them.
00:08:32.100 Multiple ways for solving the same equation lead to splitting realities.
00:08:37.080 So if there is one equation, but this equation can be solved in multiple ways, then you would have different realities for each one of those ways the equation can be solved as a different graphical representation of the equation.
00:08:47.620 Yeah.
00:08:48.140 So it has some implications on the fundamental underlying like reality.
00:08:52.860 So you can say, why do you believe this about reality?
00:08:54.860 Like this seems like a lot of things to believe.
00:08:57.400 This is the model for reality that relies on the fewest assumptions that I can come up with at least.
00:09:03.000 And the least complicated assumptions and the assumptions that seem the most obviously and intrinsically true to me.
00:09:09.540 One thing that's really fun about this is, you know, a lot of people are like, well, how can you be secular Calvinist?
00:09:14.860 Or how can you be, you know, have all this deterministic thinking, you know, with also like a fairly atheist background in terms of truth in our metaphysical understanding of reality?
00:09:25.700 Well, this is how, like we, we can believe that everything that could happen has happened and will happen has happened in the same way that with an equation, when you plug in different numbers, you're going to get like the, the outputs are there.
00:09:39.460 So every graphical representation, as you say, you know, every reality is there.
00:09:43.860 And I think that that's kind of fun.
00:09:45.400 It's, I think it's fairly elegant.
00:09:46.860 It's fairly lightweight.
00:09:47.820 And I don't, I don't know, I guess it does color our, our moral view of reality.
00:09:55.220 It, it, it, I would say offers some comfort in that.
00:09:58.680 I think a lot of people are like, well, if this is a simulation, we have to like, please the players of the game or some like simulation builder.
00:10:07.620 And like, that's no, no, no, that's not it.
00:10:09.640 You know, it's, it's, it's really not.
00:10:11.200 It's, it's just everything is and everything will be and everything has been and everything can be all at the same time.
00:10:17.820 And we're a part of that.
00:10:19.160 And that doesn't invalidate our experience at all as humans.
00:10:22.120 It's just kind of how things are.
00:10:24.120 And I don't know, it, it gives me, it gives me comfort.
00:10:27.620 It also doesn't do a whole lot.
00:10:28.960 You know, it doesn't like change because, you know, it doesn't practically on a day-to-day basis change anything about how we live.
00:10:35.020 We still have the things that we want to fight for and we don't know how things are going to play out.
00:10:39.740 So we're still excited to see what happens per the weird way that humans perceive the world and reality and time on this sort of arbitrarily linear basis.
00:10:47.820 Right.
00:10:48.760 But has it changed your metaphysic?
00:10:50.460 Like, are your morals different because of this view of reality?
00:10:55.620 It's a tough question.
00:10:56.960 It has shaped my other views on reality.
00:10:59.840 Like this theory I came up with when I was in college.
00:11:03.580 I actually wrote about it in the college philosophy magazine when I came up with it.
00:11:07.440 Yeah.
00:11:07.780 So it's a fairly old theory in terms of my views of the world.
00:11:10.840 And so a lot of other views I have on the world, like the concept of the future police, which, which we have as a family religion, this idea that eventually a million, 10 million years from now, if my distant descendants are still around.
00:11:24.600 If I ask myself, are they more of the way I would think of a human today or more of the way I would think of like a God today?
00:11:30.680 And I consider that we're only like 200 years away from being able to literally create heavens, right?
00:11:36.760 Like simulated environments that we can upload people into where they can get their every need served.
00:11:41.240 Where we can have an AI lattice around the world that you could beseech for favors, basically pray to, and it can solve those favors.
00:11:49.020 The type of God that these entities, that my descendants could be a million, 10 million years from now, is beyond anything that we can conceive today.
00:11:58.080 And that being the case, used to say they relate to time the way we relate to time.
00:12:02.040 And that being the case, you know, we built this family structure around these descendants.
00:12:07.380 We call it descender worship instead of ancestor worship are rewarding us for creating a prosperous future for the human species and a pluralistic future for the human species and a future where people are thriving and having new ideas and everything like that.
00:12:22.340 So we, you know, raise our kids believing that.
00:12:25.580 So they have this motivation, both to have kids, right?
00:12:28.400 But also to try to make the future a better place and feel like they have agency over that future.
00:12:32.420 So I think that this belief and the determinism that is sort of a result of it has big implications on the future.
00:12:41.340 And we did another video, which is one of our least watched videos.
00:12:44.020 It's on like free will and determinism.
00:12:46.300 And I'd really suggest people check it out if they hear this theory and they go, oh, this means we don't have free will.
00:12:50.780 Because I don't think free will and determinism are incompatible at all.
00:12:54.140 Oh, hardly.
00:12:55.340 Yeah.
00:12:55.880 I really like what it means for a world in which we're simulated.
00:12:58.380 Because a really cool thing about a world in which we're simulated is in many ways, for the way some people judge morality, it could be a world with more meaning than a self-simulating world.
00:13:08.240 How?
00:13:09.160 I'll explain what I mean by that.
00:13:10.880 A self-simulating world exists simply because all equations bring simulations of themselves into reality, right?
00:13:18.720 But a simulated world, it exists for a purpose.
00:13:22.900 It's creators were trying to do something with that simulation, whether it was do historical research or predict some future event or maximize like Qualia because they have some belief around like that's a positive thing in the world.
00:13:37.680 And so you are potentially serving your role within this great function, even if you don't understand it.
00:13:44.620 Um, but yeah, another interesting thing about this theory is it becomes potentially less likely we're in a simulation in that literally an infinite number of self-stimulating realities will exist based on these equations.
00:14:01.500 However, a higher infinite number of simulations will exist because even if an infinite number of realities will exist within each of those realities, people could create simulations.
00:14:11.040 But I think for a lot of people, what they assume is that a like fixed number of realities exists.
00:14:16.380 And this would assume that a literal infinite number of realities likely exists depending on how these equations work.
00:14:24.000 I see.
00:14:24.980 I see.
00:14:25.960 But I do like what you said about it.
00:14:27.700 It's lightweight.
00:14:28.800 That's why I like it.
00:14:29.800 It's a very lightweight theory for sort of the fundamental metaphysics of reality.
00:14:35.200 And it's, it's really one that I have a pretty high confidence is true just because it's lightweight and it makes predictions.
00:14:43.260 I just love that one day it makes a bunch of predictions about the future.
00:14:46.340 And if those predictions come true, it is more likely to be true.
00:14:49.020 It's not saying that it's definitely true, but you know, it's a shot calling prediction on the fabric of reality.
00:14:53.840 Yeah.
00:14:54.300 So we'll see how it plays out.
00:14:55.800 I'm very curious.
00:14:57.160 I love you.
00:14:58.280 I do.
00:14:58.880 I love that you tolerate my theories like this.
00:15:02.560 This is actually a, sorry, fun side note about the theory.
00:15:07.220 I have had multiple people offer to sleep with me after I have told them this theory.
00:15:11.980 What?
00:15:12.760 That, yeah, that was a weird thing in college after I had it.
00:15:15.680 This happened on two different occasions.
00:15:17.860 I was hanging out with a-
00:15:18.800 Way to bury the lead.
00:15:20.540 Who cares about the nature of reality?
00:15:23.100 This is how to pick up chicks? 1.00
00:15:24.940 Come on, Malcolm.
00:15:26.340 Let's focus on the stuff that matters here.
00:15:28.720 Well, I've never had any other thing where like, I had an idea that people thought was
00:15:33.960 so good that they wanted to sleep with me over it.
00:15:36.280 And it could just be that they were drunk and they thought, oh, he just said something
00:15:39.660 he's proud of.
00:15:40.380 So I'm going to flatter that aspect of his ego and use that to manipulate him.
00:15:44.780 But you know, we'll see.
00:15:46.440 I don't know.
00:15:47.140 I think it's, it's really hot when someone's passionate about something, especially if they're
00:15:51.320 like willing to be really open and honest about it.
00:15:53.520 And it's not something you've heard before.
00:15:55.580 So I could see that.
00:15:57.300 It's not necessarily this theory.
00:15:59.440 It's the fact that you were really passionate about it.
00:16:02.300 You thought through it.
00:16:03.300 That's a, I think a very masculine trait that's very underrated is, is the sign of a passionate
00:16:09.180 outlier.
00:16:09.780 Because like, what is, what is like more the essence of masculinity than being that dangerous
00:16:16.200 outlier that actually succeeds, you know?
00:16:18.520 And like, it's almost like, this sounds horrible, but like metaphorically begins like with the,
00:16:23.080 like with sperm, right? 0.61
00:16:24.600 Like just that one, that one crazy outlier gets to survive.
00:16:28.060 And then like now when women see like that one, like man, who's totally different, but 0.99
00:16:33.020 really passionate and willing to do something really weird.
00:16:35.380 She's just like, oh yes, let me get my teeth into him. 1.00
00:16:40.040 That thing you said about sperm, it actually reminds me.
00:16:42.820 So the Federalists, they did a piece on us and they said, they've put their kids in a
00:16:46.520 sick game where the healthiest get to live.
00:16:49.900 And it's like, what do you think is happening every time you impregnate a woman?
00:16:54.580 Imagine you said that about sperm. 0.99
00:16:56.520 Instead of describing it as sex, a sick game. 0.89
00:16:59.700 We're only their healthiest gametes survive.
00:17:03.680 Well, what is, what is, you know, human as, as the, the French court in the 1700s used to
00:17:09.740 describe it, commerce.
00:17:11.160 What is commerce?
00:17:12.180 But a sick game, honestly.
00:17:14.720 Well, yeah.
00:17:15.200 Anyway, I find these, these conversations delightful.
00:17:17.420 They're like, oh, little dates, I certainly, do we not do enough real dates?
00:17:21.920 We, we don't, we don't want to spend money on like drinks.
00:17:26.180 Sorry.
00:17:26.660 I forgot that we might have to spend money if we went on a date.
00:17:29.280 Yeah.
00:17:29.540 I'm so sorry.
00:17:30.360 This is why we work together.
00:17:31.640 You know, we're CEOs of the same company together.
00:17:33.440 We, we write our books together.
00:17:34.660 We do our speeches together, combine the speaker, you know, to make it cheaper for the end.
00:17:39.260 We'd like to be frugal for other people as well.
00:17:41.100 So, but all, all of this is how we pay for our dates, which is to say other people pay
00:17:49.140 for them to like, well, if we're going to go to X city to speak, we may as well walk
00:17:52.520 around, go for, go for a walk around town together.
00:17:55.020 Yeah.
00:17:55.140 It's like a date.
00:17:56.400 It's like a vacation.
00:17:57.500 It's like a lunch.
00:17:58.740 Those are the only dates that are worth doing.
00:18:00.380 No guilt.
00:18:01.220 Yeah.
00:18:01.540 The best meals out are those which you do not pay for.
00:18:04.420 Otherwise not worth it.
00:18:07.160 Yes.
00:18:07.560 I love you very much.
00:18:08.440 Looking forward to our next one already.
00:18:09.820 I love you.