Based Camp - Based Camp： Why Did Epstein Have So Many Customers？

00:00:00.000 male sexuality is pulled between two extremes. As a guy, you can optimize for gender dimorphism.

00:00:08.160 So you are assuring that the thing you're breeding with is female. So this is larger butts, 0.99

00:00:14.860 larger breasts, larger fingernails, longer hair, more voluptuous shape, or you can be optimizing 0.95

00:00:24.020 for fertility window. The problem is, is that you're actually typically optimizing for the

00:00:28.480 opposite when you're optimizing for fertility window. You are optimizing for youth, which means

00:00:33.900 you're typically optimizing for smaller breasts, smaller butt, smaller waist-hip ratio, and stuff 1.00

00:00:39.360 like that. And so we looked at the data on this, and this is one really shocking thing that we found

00:00:44.740 is that the amount of wealth a guy had in our data set correlated with which of these extremes he

00:00:51.960 seemed to optimize for. Would you like to know more? Hello, Simone. Hello, Malcolm. This is

00:00:58.380 an edited recording. We had originally recorded an episode on this topic, and I decided I wanted to

00:01:05.340 sanitize it as much as possible because I feel that this is a topic that really, really needs to be

00:01:11.660 talked about in a sane way, but that is incredibly controversial. And so we don't want to step on any

00:01:21.020 toes with this or make any potentially false or spurious accusations with this. Specifically,

00:01:27.320 what we want to talk about is with this recent movie that's come out, there's been a lot of people

00:01:32.840 being like the concept of circles within sort of the wealthy class that traffic in underage women 0.98

00:01:42.520 is a complete fantasy. It's a complete fictional thing. And I do think a lot of this stuff is,

00:01:49.960 you know, sort of conspiracy theories that have gone a little crazy. However, what we learned from the

00:01:55.880 Epstein case is that it's not a complete fantasy. Like there was at least one real circle in which this

00:02:03.520 was happening. And the reason I want to talk about this is how could this happen? In my adult life,

00:02:10.200 I do not meet many people who like to see themselves as bad people. Most people want to see themselves as

00:02:18.220 good people who are trying to make the world a better place. So how did giant networks of some of

00:02:25.900 the wealthiest people in the world get roped into something like this? And I think we can look at this

00:02:33.500 as an isolated case, but I really don't think it is. There's been a lot of people freaking out about a

00:02:38.940 specific campaign manager having potentially artwork that looks like kids are being hurt in it in the

00:02:46.700 artwork. Now, there is actually no proof that this artwork that he owns it, that he has it in his house.

00:02:52.940 But what no one is really denying is that the artwork itself exists and is real and is in museums

00:03:01.500 sometimes or is on big displays that people are funding, that people are paying a lot of money for this

00:03:06.940 artwork. Well, it shows up in ad campaigns. I mean, yeah, like, like the, the, that the artwork exists

00:03:15.020 is. And so this is what we mean by sort of this place is, is people can tie something like they can

00:03:20.620 be like, this guy owns this artwork, right? And then they go in a whole rabbit hole with that. And then

00:03:27.020 the other side can be like, well, no, actually, he's not the one who owns the artwork. And there's not

00:03:33.260 like this third group that's saying, okay, but even if he's not, why does this artwork exist?

00:03:40.460 And why is it being shown in like art museums and stuff like that? Like, it seems to be

00:03:45.500 that a certain class of people within our society, the group of people or one cultural group within

00:03:51.020 our society that goes to things like art museums doesn't have an extreme resistance to this sort of

00:03:58.700 depiction. If you were to hang one of these pieces in, in like a Bass Pro store, or like a traditional

00:04:07.580 black barber shop, or like our local Indian marketplace, you would be beaten near to death, 1.00

00:04:13.900 like immediately, like the most cultural groups in America just would have zero tolerance of this.

00:04:20.620 Yeah, within sort of, I guess I call them the art museum class in our society. There is a level of

00:04:26.380 tolerance to this. And I think another place you saw this, there was the recent scandal was the

00:04:30.300 clothing brand, right? Where they had, we can name it with Balenciaga. Well, are you sure we can name

00:04:36.780 it? Yeah, I've been trying not to name anything. Okay, with Balenciaga. Now, the thing to remember is

00:04:41.500 who is Balenciaga's client base, right? Like they are sort of an elite cultural group within our society.

00:04:47.900 The people who are creating this ad campaign are literally the world experts in what this demographic

00:04:56.060 within society considers, okay, what they want, what their needs are, what will catch on was in

00:05:01.820 their cultural group. It's not like this, this campaign was created by some like random wacko, 1.00

00:05:07.980 you know, the marketing department at Balenciaga is literally the world specialists at how do we appeal

00:05:15.660 to, I guess what I'd call the art museum cultural group, right? And clearly like this, it's not like

00:05:21.660 these campaigns were like the work of one person, like they got multiple levels of approval, right?

00:05:27.740 So they thought that this would appeal to that cultural group. And so the question is, and where

00:05:34.860 we wanted to go into all this is, without making any very like specific accusations here, is that

00:05:41.420 there appears to be an elite cultural group in our society that has much more tolerance for this sort

00:05:47.740 of thing than any other cultural group in our society. And when I go out in the world and like,

00:05:53.900 I meet normal people, people who are interested in, in, in people who present physically like really

00:06:01.580 young, that's just not that common. That's not like a common thing in the normal world. So why is it so

00:06:08.700 common among the ultra wealthy in our society? Like that, that, that's a question that I think everybody

00:06:15.660 recognizes is like weird that it's happening. But the only two ways we have for engaging with this

00:06:21.180 question is either just, you know, wild conspiratorial speculation, or saying that even

00:06:28.220 asking this question is conspiratorial. And we want to try to approach this from a more even keeled

00:06:35.660 perspective. Right, because we've talked about this in other episodes, the essentially like dog

00:06:39.900 whistling effect that you can get with a culture. Let's say you're Mormon and you can tell that someone

00:06:45.020 else is a Mormon when others can't, because you can kind of see, oh, they're definitely wearing 0.91

00:06:48.460 garments or something. It makes you feel really good. And it makes you feel a lot closer to them.

00:06:52.700 So is perhaps all of this really blatant Lolita stuff, that kind of signaling? Is that what you're

00:07:00.860 thinking? Well, I mean, so this is what's interesting. So I think historically, if you look at conservative

00:07:05.500 power groups in the 50s, 60s, 70s, there were a lot of gay organizations, it was in the conservative

00:07:12.700 power circles. And I think that, and I say this because I have tangential connections to secret

00:07:21.260 societies that were definitely disproportionately gay and conservative power brokers back in the day,

00:07:26.620 like Simone and I have unique access into the world of secret societies due to like

00:07:32.060 our jobs and our backgrounds. And I can say that at least historically, that was definitely true. 0.95

00:07:36.220 So what was it is very different from one gay today. I'm talking about gay in the 60s and 70s. 0.92

00:07:46.060 I'm talking about the way it was perceived by society. Oh, sexual expressions, especially on the

00:07:52.060 conservative side, might be a way that organically groups begin to bond if they are in elite power

00:08:00.700 centers in society. Now, hold on. So what are you signaling that like kind of to get into a gang,

00:08:06.780 for example, you might need to commit a pretty serious crime. Is this kind of something similar,

00:08:12.780 like it is so that you have dirt on this person and that they're in your group, but also if they

00:08:17.420 leave your group, you can destroy them because you know that they've done something that's career

00:08:21.100 ending. For gangs, they're being sent to jail for this. Completely organic. Uh-huh.

00:08:26.300 Okay. So suppose you have a group of up and coming people and we're going to use the gay example, 1.00

00:08:31.100 because we're talking like 1960s, 1970s conservative gay groups, right? Okay. So any of a,

00:08:37.100 let's say there's a small group of, of gay people in this movement, right? Okay. Okay. Just large, 0.95

00:08:41.820 large up and coming group of, of, of rising conservative. And a small group that's actually

00:08:47.420 really gay. Yeah. Okay. So they all start just organically engaging with each other,

00:08:52.940 right? So they all find out who all the other people are in this group. Okay. Well,

00:08:57.660 they're doing this just for their own personal pleasure to start, but then it becomes clear.

00:09:02.860 Somebody walks in your office looking for a promotion or something like that. And they're

00:09:06.540 part of this group and you're part of this group. Well, well, shit, I better give them a promotion 1.00

00:09:11.020 because they have dirt on me. Right. But also we have this sign of camaraderie. So let's not even put 1.00

00:09:16.060 them in a situation where they would need to use this dirt on me. Right. So essentially you get

00:09:21.420 a system where organically everyone was this mutually assured destruction on each other,

00:09:28.460 has a slight, like 20 to 30% advantage in every sort of interaction where somebody else in that

00:09:34.780 group is involved, which leads to the entire group rising really quickly in the ranks. So it's not like

00:09:42.620 at any point, anybody decided to do something malicious, right? Because what I'm trying to ask is

00:09:48.380 realistically how in this world did networks of elite, like that seems insane to me that that

00:09:53.900 happened. How did that happen? This is what I'm thinking here because I guess you could say,

00:09:57.660 oh, Satan worshipers or whatever. And they all went into this intentionally to hurt people.

00:10:03.100 I don't know. There's in my adult life, I just don't run into that many people who genuinely

00:10:09.340 like hurting other people. Yeah. Or genuine. Nobody, we've come across people who could probably,

00:10:16.380 we wouldn't know, but I think it's plausible, especially from our research into sexuality,

00:10:20.060 that they're, they're aroused by, um, what should I say? Younger phenotypes, but I've never come

00:10:27.260 across someone who's, yeah, I'm a Satanist. I've never come across someone who is a Satanist.

00:10:31.900 They do exist. I'll tell you why you haven't come across a Satanist though. Okay. Okay. Why?

00:10:37.100 Because I have seen them in the data. Like you see clearly some progressive elites are actual,

00:10:43.660 they wouldn't call themselves Satanists. They call themselves like, I don't know,

00:10:46.300 they have some word for it, right? Where it's like a type of Wiccanism that's like edgy and cool.

00:10:51.020 It's because you and I are publicly known as even back in the day when we were more invited to like

00:10:58.060 elite progressive events as really hating woo. Um, and the Satanist groups are the groups that

00:11:04.700 are most connected was like goop and like other woo like stuff because they're involved in it because

00:11:09.900 it's edgy. They're not involved in it because like, they think they're being evil. They're involved

00:11:14.300 in it because they're trying to be subversive in a way that gets a rise out of a culture that is so

00:11:20.780 dominated by on we. I mean, that's what I think was happening with those ads, the, Oh, the

00:11:26.460 Balenciaga ads. Yeah. The Balenciaga ads. What was really happening there? I mean,

00:11:30.940 I think that to a certain part of like wealthy, let's say LA society, their lives are so dominated

00:11:38.460 by on we that it requires just like extreme offensiveness to get any sort of a reaction

00:11:45.100 out of them. So I think that that's why they're engaging with that. But now let's talk about the,

00:11:51.420 the other thing here, because I think that there might actually be a something going on here.

00:11:56.300 So when we were doing our sexuality book, one of the really interesting things about male sexuality

00:12:02.700 is it's pulled between two extremes by itself. And by that, what I mean is as a guy, you can optimize

00:12:11.980 for gender dimorphism, right? So you are assuring that the thing you're breeding with is female. So this

00:12:18.380 is larger butts, larger breasts, larger fingernails, longer hair, more voluptuous shape, or you can be 0.99

00:12:29.340 optimizing for fertility window. The problem is, is that you're actually typically optimizing for the

00:12:34.380 opposite. When you're optimizing for fertility window, you are optimizing for youth, which means

00:12:39.660 you're typically optimizing for smaller breasts, smaller, but smaller waist hip ratio and stuff like 1.00

00:12:45.340 that. And so we looked at the data on this, and this is one really shocking thing that we found

00:12:50.940 is that the amount of wealth a guy had in our data set correlated with which of these extremes he seemed

00:12:57.980 to optimize for. Well, we saw this both in the research and in the data set that we got from the

00:13:03.180 survey you created and ran. So I can quote from our book, you wrote, in addition, our data backs up a

00:13:09.580 pattern that has been observed in other studies, that wealthy men prefer smaller breasts. This 0.70

00:13:14.380 pattern is even more striking than we anticipated in our data. Not a single man in the wealthiest

00:13:19.340 category of those taking our survey reported preferring a breast size above average with

00:13:24.300 around half preferring small breasts. Our survey respondents reported being in the second highest

00:13:29.340 wealth category reported preferring small breasts at a rate of 17% and a robust 84 preferred,

00:13:35.980 sorry, 84% preferred breasts of average size or below. Contrast that with the lowest income

00:13:42.540 category of men who took our survey who reported preferring small breasts at only 5%. And the

00:13:48.700 second poorest preferring them at around the same level, only 4% in this case. So there's a clear

00:13:54.860 like inverse relationship here. Yeah, I remember one of the other studies you were talking about as

00:13:57.740 well. It was done by like a website for like wealthy guys to find, I don't know, partners. But yeah,

00:14:03.180 so there's been a number of studies on this. And you can see from our data, like this isn't a small

00:14:07.340 effect. It's not like a, oh, 20% here, 20% there. It's an enormous effect size.

00:14:15.180 So it would seem that maybe it's not even that people as much are like born being super turned on,

00:14:22.060 or we'll say sexually interested in youth versus female dimorphism. It is a product of

00:14:27.900 your perceived sense of resource. Yeah. Let's talk about evolutionarily,

00:14:33.500 why you would have this, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:35.660 If you can only choose one partner, which throughout history has been true of most middle income and

00:14:42.620 below men, even in, even in societies where a man can get multiple partners, the vast majority of

00:14:49.660 people in those societies didn't get multiple partners, right? So you're choosing one potential

00:14:53.500 partners. You've got to make absolutely sure they're female. Yeah. However, if you can just 0.98

00:14:57.580 get lots of partners, which wealthy and powerful men could typically get throughout history,

00:15:01.820 then what matters, especially, so suppose you're a wealthy and powerful man, but then you're

00:15:07.340 actually, okay. Suppose you're a wealthy and powerful man, and you can either get only one partner,

00:15:11.820 or you can get lots of partners. If you can get lots of partners, it doesn't really matter what

00:15:15.580 you're optimizing for. You're just optimizing for volume. But if you can get one partner,

00:15:19.660 because you can care for all of their offspring, right? Because wealth is not an issue for you,

00:15:25.980 you could have 20 kids, right? You are going to optimize for youth when you marry that partner.

00:15:33.340 Yeah, because it'll produce maximum number of kids, like biggest lifetime. For example,

00:15:38.540 we just, we're finally ready to like do chickens at our house, right? And we could either choose to get

00:15:44.140 hens, or we can choose to get chicks. And getting chicks, if we get chicks now, 0.94

00:15:50.540 that means we have to wait until basically January before they start even laying eggs. So that's like

00:15:54.860 a significant amount of time investment, wealth investment. We have to get the feed, do all the

00:15:59.100 stuff for them to wait until they're ready, but then they will produce far more eggs over time, 0.99

00:16:04.460 right? Like we're going to get more life out of them, more eggs out of them than we're going to get if we

00:16:08.060 buy mature chickens. So maybe this is what's going on is like, if we were, even if we were like very

00:16:14.620 resource poor in the moment, would we be getting a, an egg laying hen that we know is healthy enough

00:16:20.540 and fat enough to immediately start producing either meat for us or eggs, or are we going to

00:16:23.980 get chickens that we have to wait forever until it produces anything that will sustain us?

00:16:27.420 So, so yeah. So, and here's something really interesting. So I'm going to talk about something

00:16:31.180 that happens in women and say, I think something similar might be happening here. So one of the things 1.00

00:16:35.340 we talk about happening in women is that women will typically prefer a partner who already has 0.85

00:16:40.220 other women interested in them, but they'll even prefer partners who are already married. Like 1.00

00:16:44.140 they'll choose a guy who has a ring over another guy because it shows there's other female interests 1.00

00:16:48.380 in the guy. Well, you get this interesting phenomenon where like during concerts, and we've seen this

00:16:53.420 throughout history. So you can see this going all the way back to, who is that mob guy who is the

00:16:57.340 singer? Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra. Yeah. You see those Frank Sinatra. You saw this with Liszt,

00:17:03.180 Franz Liszt, the Liszt, I can't, Lisztamania, the, the, the pianist, I believe.

00:17:08.060 Yes. You see this with Mozart. You, you saw this with where women would start screaming in the room 0.54

00:17:14.380 and then some of them would pass out, right? What is happening there? Well, what I think is happening

00:17:19.980 there is women in general get more turned on by a guy as they think other women are interested in that 0.95

00:17:25.900 guy. However, some women, a minority of women, like a small portion of women are born without the 0.96

00:17:31.100 ability to downregulate this phenomenon. And so they essentially end up feeding off of the

00:17:37.020 other women around them in their arousal to this group until it essentially overheats their brain 1.00

00:17:42.700 and they pass out. Not exactly overheats their brain, but you get what I mean. It's like a sensory

00:17:46.380 overload. Yes. A sensory overload that causes them to pass out. Well, I think with most guys,

00:17:51.900 when they get wealthy, they're like, oh yeah, I like small breasts, right? Like normal stuff, 1.00

00:17:56.540 right. But there's a small portion of guys who they get wealthy and the system doesn't have

00:18:03.180 a, an off meter on it. And they're like actually interested in young people. And, and I think this

00:18:09.900 group is because this is the thing that weirds me out. I look at Jeff Epstein's plane list. Right.

00:18:15.740 And this is like a lot of celebrities, a lot of celebrities, like a lot of people who I'd heard of.

00:18:20.220 Right. And like, when I think about the people who I've casually met, I do not see that many people

00:18:27.100 interested in young people. That's just not a thing. That's not like a thing among my friend groups.

00:18:31.740 That is not a thing that I've ever thought about. Like, how is it possible that there's that many

00:18:37.740 celebrities who are interested in this? Right. So there's really only two things. One is, is that

00:18:42.700 their, their biology could be adapting to their perceived level of power, which would really explain this.

00:18:49.020 It would also explain why the media is so terrified about it getting out, that this is actually

00:18:54.540 happening because even if they can't access these groups, this flip in their perceived personal

00:19:00.860 power might've already happened. And they may secretly have these desires and they may have some like

00:19:06.140 aspiration to enter these groups. Or what's happening is that it's useful for them in terms of growing

00:19:12.780 and maintaining their power. Like it creates like these organic power groups that we've been talking about.

00:19:17.180 Hmm. Either way. I actually think that both are probably happening at the same time.

00:19:22.780 Yeah. So I guess my takeaway is, is I think that this is a real phenomenon that there actually are

00:19:29.900 real groups among some elite circles that are doing this.

00:19:33.260 There are two dynamics. One is that there appears to be a correlation between wealth and interest in

00:19:38.780 youth. And two, that there appears to be this like dirty secret trust group, like fraternity that is

00:19:45.820 created through shared indulgence in socially toxic hobbies. Does that make sense?

00:19:54.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But here's a really interesting thing about this phenomenon,

00:19:58.540 because we have a pretty wide access into what the elite in our society are doing,

00:20:02.380 like much more than the average person would have through operating different secret societies,

00:20:06.060 having, having gone to their stuff. I'd say that this desire is almost absent or completely absent

00:20:12.060 from what I call the dissident elite. I just have not seen it in those communities.

00:20:17.340 Those are the communities.

00:20:18.060 They don't, I don't think the dissident elite really feel powerful because they feel attacked by everyone.

00:20:23.500 Yeah, they feel attacked. They're like more homesteady, more let me set up my bunker,

00:20:27.900 let me get guns. Let me get, let me get farm, sustain my family. They're coming for me. Let's build a

00:20:34.220 militia. Like that's their, that's their dirty little secret. Right. And not so much, not so much.

00:20:40.940 Well, and maybe there's, there's also a cultural, more party element, like an indulgent.

00:20:47.500 No, I think their dirty little secret is that they tell the truth about what they believe. And in our

00:20:53.100 society that can get you so canceled. So when I think about the dissident elite circles, what do we all do?

00:20:57.660 We, we, we sit around and we're like, it turns out that certain parts of a human sociological

00:21:03.100 profile are heredible and they're changing over time and the general population.

00:21:09.100 You make it sound like these are all old men who wear suspenders.

00:21:12.540 Right. No, no, no. It turns out that's not what they sound like.

00:21:17.020 This offensive thing is actually probably true. No, no. But what I'm saying is if that's how they

00:21:22.060 organically bond in a way that can get everyone in these circles, mutually canceled, so they don't

00:21:28.060 need to engage with this other stuff. Well, do you think it's, it's more just like

00:21:34.380 being sexually prudish as well, that in, in these more progressive power circles where there are rumors

00:21:41.180 of these, these circles, it's more, it's, it's a much more culturally like sexually permissive and

00:21:49.820 sexually deviant society versus the dissident right circles, which are much more sex negative.

00:21:55.900 I guess I don't understand. I think that that's not it at all. I mean, the, the elite circles that we

00:22:00.860 are in are very sexually permissive on both sides. Yeah. On both sides. They're very sexually permissive.

00:22:08.300 They, they are all into, yeah, I think that that's just wrong. I think what it is, is the way that they

00:22:13.900 engage with subversiveness. These groups are engaging with subversiveness, like the dissident groups 0.65

00:22:19.900 and trying to make society better and trying to be honest and trying to tell the truth. That is how they,

00:22:25.740 and by make society better, I mean, move it away from the dominant cultural group right now. I mean, 0.98

00:22:30.220 they are fighting against the big bad. I mean, historically, that's what the Illuminati was.

00:22:34.460 They were fighting against the Catholic church. They were a group of people who said, we don't

00:22:37.740 like this group that's controlling our society right now. Let's fight against it. Right. The reason why

00:22:42.940 they have to be in these secret organizations is because they're fighting the powers that be. The people

00:22:48.140 who control the powers that be, the people who control the, the media and what's true and academia,

00:22:53.340 like this, this sort of monoculture in our society. If you're just going along with everything they're

00:22:58.540 doing, then all you can really do is dunk on the amount of power you have over other people.

00:23:03.900 And I can almost think of no bigger sign of that.

00:23:08.140 Oh, then, especially if you're a community, keep in mind, these people have almost zero

00:23:12.940 fertility rate. So, I mean, where are they getting these kids? Right. You are in a community where

00:23:17.020 kids are a, an extremely scarce asset. Yeah.

00:23:21.500 Whereas within our groups. Oh, I also think this is another thing. I think within the extreme

00:23:25.500 progressive groups, it's pretty common for these people to not have their own.

00:23:28.700 Well, and I guess it's, it's, it's a lot harder to be interested. Do you think it's,

00:23:32.380 I mean, I feel like parents are a lot more defensive of children and you'd be a lot more

00:23:35.580 like turned off. You talk about the dissident conservative cultural group. You talk about

00:23:41.580 doing something to harm a kid. You get a knuckle sandwich pretty quickly. Whereas in these other

00:23:46.540 groups, they don't have kids often. And so there's probably less of a perception of their inherent

00:23:51.260 humanity. Oh, it's easier to dehumanize children in a culture where children are largely absent.

00:23:58.860 Yeah. Creepy.

00:24:00.300 No. Creepy.

00:24:01.740 Yeah. Well.

00:24:02.460 It's definitely really happening. Anybody who tells you it isn't happening, Epstein.

00:24:05.980 And, and, and they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. But once we got Epstein,

00:24:10.380 it was handled. It's over. It's handled.

00:24:12.540 Once we arrested a meth dealer, the meth epidemic is over. And it's like, yeah, but didn't the meth

00:24:17.020 dealer die mysteriously in prison? Couldn't that only have happened if this was still a phenomenon

00:24:22.940 that was going on in our society and people needed to shut him up? And they're like, no.

00:24:28.220 Oh, that was an accident. They just needed to kill the one guy. And then it was all over. 1.00

00:24:32.380 It's all over.

00:24:33.180 This is one.

00:24:33.500 There, to me, is no more of a sign that this is still happening, that we still don't know

00:24:38.620 what happened to Epstein.

00:24:40.380 Hmm. Well, they're getting better at hiding it, I guess.

00:24:46.620 That's.

00:24:47.020 Well, hey, they were good at hiding it for a long time before Epstein, too. I mean.

00:24:50.300 Yeah, I guess he, he was going for a good long time.

00:24:52.860 A good long time with a lot of powerful people in our society.

00:24:56.780 Yeah. Pretty wild. Oh, that's fun.

00:24:59.260 Hold on. Actually, I want to look this up. I'm just trying to see if.

00:25:02.220 If Jelaine Maxwell is dead. I think she's still alive.

00:25:07.660 Well, no, I mean, I think that, yeah, I was just checking. Yeah, Elon was not on the Epstein flight

00:25:11.740 list. And I think that shows the type of thing that we're talking about, right? And he's actually

00:25:15.900 right now advocating for the DOG to do more to get the full list released. Which is like,

00:25:19.980 why hasn't the full list been released? Again, the, the, the malevolent players are still in

00:25:25.260 positions of power. And we have good guys out there. And it's important that, that just because we

00:25:31.260 have one or two differences with them, that we don't attack them. We're, we're all on the same

00:25:34.940 side. We're trying to, to protect kids.

00:25:38.460 Hide your kids, people.

00:25:41.100 Hide your kids. Hide your wife. 1.00

00:25:43.020 I, I just, wives are safe. Apparently I, it is terrifying. Genuinely scary. Yeah. So.

00:25:50.460 No, no. I mean, this is really happening. This is really happening. And there's a number of

00:25:53.580 reasons why it could be happening, but I think that, um, what's interesting out there is I think

00:25:58.540 that almost everyone engaging with this is either engaging with it as like pure speculative conspiracy

00:26:02.700 theory, which I think people to dismiss it, or they're engaging with it as just like insane.

00:26:06.780 Like, you know, what I appreciate about this conversation is that

00:26:13.020 it's a discussion of this issue from the perspective of why would, why would human like

00:26:19.100 normal humans do this? Because I think normally when it's discussed, it's like these, these

00:26:23.900 disgusting, terrifying monsters. You can barely imagine as human, like that are doing things

00:26:29.980 that you can't even possibly model. And what we're trying to say here is, okay, well actually like

00:26:35.420 from a behavioral standpoint, there appears to be robust evidence suggesting that people who do

00:26:40.940 have a lot of resources and wealth will find themselves attracted to youth at higher rates

00:26:45.900 and signs of youth at higher rates. And that also there seem to be patterns at every level of

00:26:51.980 society from like street gangs to, you know, the highest echelons of power to create these fraternities

00:26:59.660 and trust circles around forbidden and highly legal and destroying like career or life destroying things.

00:27:06.940 Right. When they're trying to normalize it now, it was like this whole map phenomenon and stuff like

00:27:11.260 that. Minor attracted person. Oh, it's, it's a new, it's a new trend. But what I'm saying is the

00:27:15.580 normalization of maps is definitely a thing now. Really?

00:27:18.940 Trying to make this a protected class in our society. And I don't, I mean, anyone who is acting on this,

00:27:26.540 I don't know. I just, I see it as a slippery slip. You make it a protected class, right? They can find

00:27:34.780 each other more easily. It could disempower them to an extent, but this group I think is just so

00:27:40.380 entrenched right now. I, I, I, I definitely would not say that they need to be, but you would never say

00:27:48.700 that they need to be. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's definitely not what you're saying.

00:27:51.980 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They're a protected class. That's a really mean thing to say.

00:27:56.700 You're definitely not saying that, that people should put these people in,

00:27:58.940 but you'll just be called a conspiracy theorist. And that's wrong. No, that's, that's, that's,

00:28:02.140 that's definitely wrong. Yeah. I mean, that's doxing, right?

00:28:04.380 That's not what we're condoning at all. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:28:08.060 Mm-hmm. Well, all right. Well, you've got some chicks to feed. I've got some kids to pick up. 1.00

00:28:14.940 Shall we reconvene downstairs? I am excited to.

00:28:19.820 I love you, Malcolm. I love you too, Simone.

00:28:21.980 I love you too.

Based Camp - August 07, 2023

Based Camp： Why Did Epstein Have So Many Customers？

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