Based Camp： You Probably are Not Sentient
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In this episode, we talk about consciousness, sentience, consciousness, consciousness in general, and consciousness in particular. In this episode of the podcast, we are joined by Dr. Simone Simone, a neuroscientist and neurophysiologist at the University of Toronto, to discuss consciousness and sentience.
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would you like to know more hello malcolm hello simone i love your response i love that it is
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your signature greeting with people very high energy but i also think it is an element of
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your social autopilot not that i don't have a social autopilot i'm on that right now but
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i think that's a really interesting part of human existence because for the vast majority of our
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lives i don't think we're actually let alone not sapient not even really conscious not even really
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aware of what's going on yeah and i think it's so arrogant when people pretend that they are aware
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of most of their lives we talk about something called road hypnosis where they look back on a
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drive and they're like i don't remember what i was doing during the drive their brain just shuts off
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recording and the question is how much of our life is road hypnosis and i think it's a huge portion of
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our life and it's something this is what initially got us talking about consciousness early in our
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relationship was how do we at least enter moments of lucidity where we are aware of what's going on
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somewhat sentient just long enough to be able to change things about the internal self model that
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does run our autopilot so that at least in the majority of the life when we are on autopilot
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we are better serving our values better better people more productive more emotionally in control
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etc and i think our thought on consciousness really evolved in interesting directions from there
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when we started really thinking about what consciousness means and why maybe it exists so
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i think this will be really fun to talk about why don't you talk a bit about what you think sentience is
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i think sentience our experience of consciousness in other words is really an emergent property of a
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memory compression system so imagine you have a building security system with tons of different
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inputs it's a feed of doors opening and closing within the building a bunch of different camera feeds
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a chemical monitoring system coming in everything's feeding into this one control room
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and then being put into a camera feed and then being stored in memory and there's a man watching the
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security feed and i think that's our experience of consciousness is that our minds are synthesizing
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smell sight hormonal fluctuations going on a lot of very complex inputs they're synthesizing them into
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something that can be compressed in unified memory which if relevant will be stored in long-term memory
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and then may in turn influence sort of automatic instinctual responses and because this memory is being codified
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and in the moment it's being run through like a camera system we're getting the impression
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that there is some kind of observed conscious driver that is running consciousness
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i'm going to run this back to you it's almost like what you're saying is this guy who is sitting at this feed
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he is collecting all of these different camera inputs all of these different sensory inputs
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and they are encoded in this single quote-unquote experience which is being written into the hard drive of this computer
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and when he is referencing what happened in the past when anybody is referencing what happened in the past within this big security array
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they are referencing this encoding and it is because they are referencing this encoding
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it creates the perception falsely so that the way this encoding works is the way that these things are being experienced in the moment
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but it isn't actually well and that the that there's some intentional driver that's shaping each decision intentionally
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through that interface essentially whereas the interface only actually affects insofar
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the memory itself influences like automatic reactions so i and i think the research supports this
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we automatically respond to things we automatically start taking action in response to stimulus
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before we have some kind of conscious understanding that we're doing that and our memories absolutely
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yeah mri yeah mri machines have shown this and while our memories will influence those responses
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our current experience of consciousness is not in the driver's seat it is just passively experiencing this encoding of memories
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it believes it's in the driver's seat i think that this is what's really interesting
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is it will apply this feeling of consciousness to any experience that you're doing or any action that you're taking
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so when you're doing open brain surgery on someone you need to keep them awake to prevent accidentally
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cutting part of the brain you're not supposed to so they'll check right you can do things
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like apply a small amount of electricity to a part of the brain and get the person to move their hand
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and then you ask them why did you move your hand and they'll say oh i felt like moving my hand
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and you can also see this with split brain patients these are patients where the corpus callosum
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is split in their head and their right brain and their left brain actually function
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pretty independently of each other when this happens right so you can cover one eye and communicate with
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part of their brain and not the other part of the brain so you can tell part of their brain
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pick up a rubik's cube and try to solve it then you put something on the other eye and you ask okay
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why did you do that and they'll say i always felt like solving a rubik's cube i always wanted to do this
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and you can do this with more complicated things so there's this experiment really great one where
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they would give people pictures of like attractive women and they say which is the most attractive
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and then they do a little sleight of hand later and say okay why did you say this one was the most
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attractive but it wasn't the one they chose you'd actually replace it with another picture i mean you
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could do this with political beliefs as well and all sorts of other things and most people will say
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oh i chose this person for x y and z reasons and go into detail about why they chose that person
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even though that wasn't the person they chose which shows that a lot of our consciousness a lot
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of the way that we describe our sentience is more like sense making of our environment we know we made
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x decision but x decision was actually made completely outside of our sentience's control
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and then we have this little like lying historian in our head which is like no i made the decision
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i made the decision i make every decision but but he's also recording the history that we remember
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so then he's going through and saying okay i made the decision but this is it's not that he doesn't
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have any say see this is where he does have a say and it's something that you mentioned which is that
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he can encode emotions into the things we're doing and this can actually cause a lot of no emotion
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isn't the right word because emotions do you know let's say that emotional narratives emotional yeah so
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that they can encode positive or negative modifiers and they can shift the narrative like they can change
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the camera angle or add sad music to something essentially to make it seem like a sad scene
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i'm sure like you've seen like the youtube video of the mary poppins like preview but like done with
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scary music and it just seems oh yeah yeah like that yeah like that's how we can change yeah that is how we
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can change the narrative and the first time i was ever introduced to this idea that we take action
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before we consciously are aware of it the person discussing it said that there's a lot of implications
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to this because it would lead many people to believe that they don't have free will and have
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them just say oh none of this is my fault i didn't consciously make this decision anyway where that's
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really not quite we would say the right conclusion because you do have the ability to color how you
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perceive reality um it's not in this kind of immediate non-asynchronous way that you would expect i would
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say that this is just the myth of humanity versus the actuality of humanity and we would argue that
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we likely evolved this ability because it was like a compression algorithm for communicating ideas to
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other people i actually don't suspect that great eights have this sort of internal thing that we call
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consciousness because they didn't need to communicate these it's a really good compassion algorithm for
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linear experiences over time but one of the big lies that is that happened throughout this process
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is it convinces us that we are a singular entity when in fact our brains function much more like we
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see ai's function with individual instances running and we can see this with the corpus callosum split
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that i mentioned earlier where it basically means that we have two largely separate parts of our
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internal mental processing that are happening separate from each other this idea that the decisions you
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make happen before they enter your conscious mind what that basically means is you have another part of
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your brain which is making this decision and then delivers it to the conscious mind when we were talking about
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the idea of a security camera with a bunch of different feeds a lot of the processing is done locally at
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these various security cameras before they all get centralized into this sort of communal feed
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with many of the quote-unquote decisions being made at those local levels and so we have this
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illusion of ourself as a singular entity which is created by the way that this sort of sentience
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processor works but it is just an illusion and so when we say oh we don't really have
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self-control or we're not responsible for our decisions i think that actually even overstates the
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level to which we exist in any sort of a meaningful concept close to how we think we exist
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and so then there's this i would say added layer of complexity or maybe confusion you shared with me
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an article saying that a very high percentage of people don't have an internal monologue what we
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would describe they don't have an internal monologue they can't even another high percentage of people
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can't even create images in their mind and so what we're even describing is consciousness is also not
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even something that is universal as part of the human experience which is interesting because i think
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most of us who experience consciousness as we're describing it would have a very hard time
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understanding even what that means i don't know maybe someone watching this youtube video doesn't
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have an internal monologue i wonder it's hard for you to model that but i suspect that the human
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the variance within the human condition in terms of how things are processed is probably a lot larger
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than we give it credit for and it will be even larger in the future a statistic that i just cannot
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stop mentioning because it's something that more people should know that if you look at the heredibility
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of iq right now and you look at the selective pressure so you look at the number of people who have
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these markers versus people who don't have these markers which you can see because it's genetic markers
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says you is this the number of kids they have we're likely looking at a one standard deviation shift
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down in iq in the next 75 years in developed countries at least this is probably going to
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affect developing countries later so i guess good for them they'll be all the geniuses in the world
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we'll be in africa or whatever but places where you have this post prosperity fertility collapse
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situation and when we think about how quickly and how much human iq can shift up or down we use this
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one marker iq but i suspect it's linked to just all sorts of things about how we process
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reality so actually i wanted to dig in a little bit more on the subject of kids because i think
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that also as we've become parents we've had a more complex understanding of how consciousness
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develops because we see it start to emerge in our kids i think there's definitely this point at which
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we see consciousness blossoming and it's not one day our kids aren't very conscious and the next they are
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i think that consciousness for example is starting to emerge more and more especially in our three-year-old
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it's just beginning to emerge in our two-year-old and i think a lot of that has to do with where
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they are with language processing i think it really influences well and that's why i say i suspect this
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had to do it evolved alongside language to compress ideas but i think that this is where you can see
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how the system can break in a way that can be very useful in relationships so this isn't just like
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theory or whatever so one of the things you'll often see one of our kids do is he'll be in a bad
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mood but he won't like understand the concept of generally being in a bad mood so he'll start crying
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and he'll say i want this give me that toy and then you get him the toy and he just it doesn't stop the
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bad mood and so then he's whatever he notices next close the door or move that chair like he just is
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like whatever is currently causing the littlest bit of discomfort he thinks it's the core cause of like
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this bad mood or why he's angry or what he's angry about and as humans i think this happens as well
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and this is really bad when a friend tells you you're justified to have an angry state or something
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like that because then this little narrative maker in your head says ah now you get to be angry now
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you're socially justified to be angry and you will feel very angry about something or you might be in
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a generally bad mood and your partner comes into the house and does something that just annoys you
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in the slightest and then you create the internal narrative that you are in this bad mood because
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of what your partner did and when you keep in mind why you're feeling these things and you try to keep
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like fully in touch with the way your brain is actually working it leads to a lot more harmony and
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a lot fewer fights and relationships because you have language for i am in a bad overlay state right now
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which just means i'm in a bad mood generally but i'm not actually mad at you or anything specific
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hold on though actually i think you've touched on something very interesting there which is that
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maybe sometimes consciousness and narrative building hampers more than helps us for example like
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the toxic girlfriend who has a bad dream in which her boyfriend cheats on her she wakes up angry
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at him like she's mad at him for something he didn't actually do or maybe one day she's just
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in a bad mood but then she makes up some narrative about it's because her boyfriend didn't bring her
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flowers and doesn't appreciate her some he did something mean the presence of consciousness and the
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presence of narrative building would cause her to turn what might be just a very transient bad mood
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into something that builds a grudge over time and literally ends up killing the relationship
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cumulatively but sometimes consciousness hampers us more than it helps us what i love about what
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you're saying here in this fall is your idea of what it means to be meaningfully human and the
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spectrum of humanity which is you become more human the more you take mastery and ownership over
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these sort of evolved or quirks of the way your brain works and you don't allow them to control
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your actions your actions are more logically decided and more decided based on as close to an objective
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view of reality as you can get and so from the perspective of humanity that you convinced me was
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a good one because this wasn't the one i had before somebody who does that somebody who has a dream and
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then can't logically understand that is not a justified reason to be mad at somebody that they are like
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meaningfully less human than another person and so then what does it mean to be fully human it means
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to have total mastery over these things and that is something that we don't have but i think it helps
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people understand because a lot of people hear the level of disdain we talk about things like
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sentience and love and happiness and other human emotional states that a lot of people venerate but they
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don't understand where that's coming from but then wouldn't that make an lm more human than we are
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people may not know what a large language model is more sophisticated than we are and it's also not
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bogged down by the need for hunger human failings hormones all these sorts of pollutants not pollutants
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they're very instrumentally useful for biological human in a modern globalized society and often with
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the type of knowledge work that humans are expected to do it's pretty counterproductive
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well i think that this comes to your goal for yourself where your goal an iteration of yourself
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that is your idealized iteration would strip out your emotional shortcomings be they love or happiness
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or hatred or pain or greed and i'm not that way by the way i am not as bought into this philosophy
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as simone is i would not strip those things away from myself i think that they add something
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that i feel illogically i i still think has some value but i don't know maybe you feel that way too
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and you're i'm mixed on it i'm mixed on it i one i'm deeply uncomfortable being human i really don't
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like my body i really don't like being human i don't like the corruption to our objective functions
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that human weaknesses cause but my general stance is if this is what i have to deal with if i've been
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given a meat puppet i'm going to use it to the max i'm going to play the game you've given me
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a crappy little battle bot i'm gonna take that thing and i'm gonna destroy everything even if
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it's the worst machinery ever this is the way she talks about pregnancy she's i have a uterus i am
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gonna wreck that thing i am gonna have so many babies i'm going to tear my baby to shreds if that's
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what it was meant to do yeah then as a woman i reach the plains of valhalla by dying in childbirth
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let it happen don't worry malcolm i promise i will play that clip at your funeral thank you
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i really should probably plan that out but yeah i i feel conflicted i mean i yes if this is the hand
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that we're dealt i'm gonna play it and i'm gonna play it hard but at the same time yeah i i really
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aspire to that i don't think that has to be me and i guess that's maybe it's more i ai and machines
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are my beatrice and dante's inferno this idealized version of humanity that i know i am not and that i
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do not aspire to be but that i deeply admire i don't need to become it i don't need to be with it i
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just i just see it as a better iteration and as as naturally and morally superior does that make
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sense what you hope is to make our kids superior to that oh for sure but our kids are still biological
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they're still human so i think i'm playing the field next generation is going to be the first
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that integrates with tech i know you say our generation is going to integrate with tech i'm
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sure that ai models will be trained on if not us family members or our kids or a combined version of
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us which would be even cooler but i still think that for a while we're going to be biologically human
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and limited by the shortcomings of biological humanity there's one other element of consciousness
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that i think you downplay you used to not downplay it as much and i don't know why this has changed
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maybe because you're so focused on the role that language plays in consciousness but i do really think
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that humanity's focus on modeling the actions of other animals and humans plays a role in our
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development of consciousness because one let's talk about this model for humanity it's yeah it's the
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model of humanity that we use in the pragmatist guide to life which is our first book which is
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why i don't talk about it because it's an older idea that i had when you're trying to model other
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people's behavior what you do is you have a mental model of them which is like an emulation that you're
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running within your own head of the way that you think that they are going to act and the things you
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think that they are thinking this is how you're able to have like arguments with little
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simulations of other people in your head you have modeled them and you've modeled you and you are
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arguing with this different entity and i actually when i was a neuroscientist one of the spaces i
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focused on was schizophrenia and what i actually think that we are seeing when people hear voices
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is a lower activation of this using tms transbiotic stimulation you hyper activate parts of a person's
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brain and then if you like hyper activate the part that's associated with saying letters right you
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like put a letter in front of somebody and they won't be able to help but say it because you
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have primed them with a vision of that letter and you have lowered the threshold activating i think
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what's happening with schizophrenia is something similar to that they have their system that they
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use to apply mental models to other things gets activated too easily like it can be activated by
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the slightest thing like they look in a store window and they're like ah that must have been done
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with intentionality there must be some like thought process behind the way everything was arranged
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or they see something innocuous in the environment like a helicopter and then they are like oh
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why is a helicopter there although there must be a person in it they must be thinking about me oh
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my gosh or they begin to hear whispers this is why whisper hearing is associated with schizophrenia
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auditory hallucinations are much more common than visual hallucinations visual hallucinations are
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incredibly rare but anyway so that's what's happening with schizophrenia so the question is okay what does
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this have to do with the regular person what it has to do as a regular person is that i think people
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have a sort of internal mental model of themselves which is used to prime emotional reactions to
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things so when the way we talked about this little like sentience box in your head what it's doing when
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it's judging whether or not you should react emotionally to something and how you should react
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emotionally to something is it is testing what's happening in this sort of simulation saying that's what
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we would call our sentience against this little mental model that's running of the way it thinks you
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should be feeling and it's saying oh does this mean he should be feeling anger oh does this mean he
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should be feeling happiness and then it outputs that emotional state by telling you that you should
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be feeling this the way you can see this is that if somebody justifies a particular emotion like you should
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be really angry about that often a person will become much angrier and they'll begin to spin away or
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how could you let your boyfriend do that to you and then you're like ah this mental model has been
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adapted to feel angrier and you will actually experience much more of this emotion but what were you talking
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about if not that in general the role that modeling things played in developing human consciousness
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that maybe what happened is one humans have an evolutionary advantage if they are able to model
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predators and prey because then they can anticipate the moves of these organisms before they make them
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and that too that ability would start to just like with schizophrenics get misapplied to that compression
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algorithm of memory that's being formed that's it's a mixture of language and so language and
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narrative building plus our modeling things that we're literally anthropomorphizing ourselves if that
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makes sense that's a good way to put it and i think people see first of all it's people with
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schizophrenia not okay they are not defined by their sorry but like people with frenchness but we see
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this in how easy it is that we anthropomorphize things so i think it's very hard to not anthropomorphize
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like a dog right like you see a dog you can see its happiness you can see it's worried about things you
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can see it's and you perceive it as experiencing these emotions the same way a human does even though it
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probably doesn't and you can see this in in when people kick those robots you guys oh yes oh my gosh
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yes i see somebody kick one of these robots and i'm like i feel so bad for the robot i'm like how
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do you do this to this portal i know logically the robot's not experiencing all that now when you're a
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human and you're anthropomorphizing yourself and you have no way of knowing that you're not feeling
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these things in a real context we struggle to not anthropomorphize robots how are we how do we know
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that the robot's not suffering how do we know if its objective function is to run and kick the ball
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into the net that it's not experiencing some kind of suffering if you put ugly eyes on a soccer ball
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people will feel bad for it simon i i i'm just trying to think of the things that people like
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definitely can empathize with when i'm talking about this anthropomorphizing of things that most
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people don't think we should be anthropomorphizing we're saying that if you didn't know whether or not it
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feel emotions and everyone around you said it could feel emotions you would 100 believe that
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robot was feeling emotions as soon as you saw it kick because you feel so bad when it gets back up
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and it tries to walk again and as humans it's the same way if you didn't know if you didn't have
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hard proof because you hadn't gone through all the studies like i have and you didn't know that humans
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probably don't have full control of this sort of sentient aspect of themselves and it's likely
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irrelevant you would totally answer for more about as humans and so i love this way of doing
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things simon a very interesting thought on your part there is a subreddit i don't know if it still
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exists it's nsfw where people put googly eyes on butts do you think that but people are anthem butts
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you know butts uh are they are they anthropomorphizing the butts is that part of what's fun about that you and
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i loved no it's more me i try to figure out like what is making people tick behind weird nsfw
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subreddits but i'm wondering because that one is an outstanding process on that subscribe if that's
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what you're interested in is deep dives on why people are engaged because that's what the pregnant
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guy to sexuality was totally like a meditation on this why are humans like turned on because obviously
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we're very interested in the way that like the human mind actually process the things i left science
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why didn't i leave science because i didn't feel like real research was being done anymore and i felt like
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there were specific narratives and it was like toe the line or else and i'm glad that we have reached
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a level of financial security where we are able to talk about these things and research these things
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because we actually do a lot of independent research which if you're wondering how we get to these ideas
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and the data that leads us to get to the ideas go to our books and that's where we discuss it all
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but yeah i mean it's really fun and there are just so many low-hanging fruits because academia is not
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doing anything anymore or not doing the same level of work i think it should be in these areas
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so there's one more thing that i think consciousness wants some credit for and sapience in
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general because i think that an easy conclusion to make from our theories around consciousness
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especially we see it as an illusion is to say the collinses don't value consciousness they think
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it's an illusion therefore it doesn't matter to the contrary i think it could easily be argued that
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sapience is one of the things that we think is most valuable most interesting it's what distinguishes
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humans from other organisms but it's what makes us but more important more importantly than that
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it is this narrative building this whether or not it's a loser or not it is what enables us to edit
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our objective functions that is the one differentiating factor any non-conscious entity any entity that
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doesn't have this narrative building effect this weird recording and encoding system and modeling
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system cannot question its actions it cannot look at the compression of all the inputs and the narrative
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that is being woven in say should we change the narrative and i think that i've seen critiques of
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consciousness where people totally miss that where they say consciousness can get in the way of things
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consciousness is not necessary it was evolved because it worked not because it's superior
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and i think they're missing the core point here that consciousness has enabled humanity to pivot in ways
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no species on earth has ever done it's what allowed us to make the leap i completely agree with you and
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there was a final point i wanted to close out was here that there was this fun video clip of we were
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talking on piers morgan and you're talking and you can see me moving my mouth to your words as you're
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talking and people might wonder why i'm doing this and that this actually relates to something we were
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talking about in the video so we are both on opposite sides of a spectrum if my model of
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schizophrenia is correct you basically have an autism to schizophrenia spectrum which is how much do
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you innately mentally model others with people who are autistic or have asperger's not innately running
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mental models of other people whenever they're interacting with people and people who are on the
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schizophrenia side of the spectrum not being able to help running mental models even when there's no
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humans around and we always say simone is diagnosed autism so definitely on the autism side of the
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spectrum but i am almost certainly when i look at myself on the schizophrenia side of the spectrum
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which is i don't hear voices or anything like that but i really struggle to not mentally model people i'm
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engaged with to the extent that i basically almost pass out after social situations i find them so
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exhausting if i'm at a big party it's like just constantly modeling everyone and that's what was
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happening on that podcast i was in a heightened emotional state where i really cared about what
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she said so i was running through the words in my head as she was saying them and trying to process
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how she would respond to something and i couldn't help but move my mouse because it was that sub level
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of stimulation like i talk about people can't help but say the letter when that part of their brain is
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tms and that's what was happening there but there are reasons why we have in the human genetic code
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autism and schizophrenia why it hasn't been evolved out of us and it's because both of these extremes
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are useful autism can make you able to act more logically about the world around you not being
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encumbered by constantly mentally model others and then my ability people often will say it's like
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eerie how much i can tell what other people are thinking like to the level where it can feel to some
00:29:59.800
people like i can read their mind in a conversation and i think that is why you have these people on the
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schizophrenia side of the spectrum and then sometimes they just get a little too much of these genes
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and it leads them to hear voices constantly instead of just having a really hyperactive ability to
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mentally model anyone around them yeah no 100 malcolm is on overdrive and then he'll sometimes be
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thinking about conversations with other people while we're walking and i can always tell because he gets
00:30:29.160
so deep into them that he's literally like gesturing as it's like we're driving in the car
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like one hand is on the steering wheel the other hand is like gesturing a silent conversation he's
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having with someone he anticipates speaking with in the future or reliving a conversation he had in
00:30:45.160
the past and he will have these aftershocks from when we socialize where he feels the stress or pain of saying
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something not quite right to someone and it hits him like a ton of bricks and he will like visibly
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like crumble and cringe and it's not just cringe yes like somebody just kicked me in the nuts or something
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yeah like it looks like he's been physically hurt by something and that is not something that i can even
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begin to imagine and i do think that it's a lot less stressful to be on the autist end of the spectrum and to just
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not know that other people hate you yeah i'm just like doop doop doop like nothing going on there
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like it's such a good partnership and i think it was one of our main goals throughout our books and
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throughout our lives to understand how humans think and process things and what's really happening in
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the human brain i started my career as a neuroscientist and a philosopher and that was my
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interest it's like what's really going on and being able to be in a relationship with somebody who sees
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the world so differently has given me such insights that i would never come to on my own and i just
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admire that so much about you simone and i admire that you have taken me to where i am which is
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somewhere i never could have reached without your guidance and i love you so much i love you so much
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too you're the superhero that i always wish existed and i still worry that i'm going to wake up from a
00:32:12.560
coma at some point and find out that you're the sidekick that actually does everything i might be the
00:32:17.240
superhero she's the hacker nerd in the background that like actually makes everything work and know
00:32:22.740
if the hacker nerd went away the superhero would have nothing that is so our relationship i have
00:32:28.420
nothing without you actually doing all the detective work and telling me where to go next it's a massively
00:32:35.140
inflated estimation of my contribution i just follow her instructions i don't manage my calendar at all
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i just i'm operating on simone is driving me like she says what was the one thing like the thing
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from aliens oh yeah like people i'm the alien suit that you're using to punch through power loader
00:32:58.260
you're the you're ripley oh okay okay it's the other way we both feel about each other
00:33:06.200
i adore you i love these conversations and i know we have to pick up the kids now but i think you're
00:33:13.060
gonna make another dish tonight so i'm gonna have fun oh yes another base camp cooking we have a little
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side playlist if anyone's seen it where i try to come up with new dishes so let's see get it right
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you get to see the college household at night what happens after