Based Camp - September 03, 2025Behavior Disfunction Mirroring Zoo Animals (Zoochosis)： True Cause of Birth Rate Collapse？
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss a theory that has been around for a long time, based on the behavior patterns that animals begin to make in captivity. This theory is based on a well-known and well-documented observation that animals in zoos exhibit behaviors similar to the ones we see in cities. In fact, they even have behaviors that are very similar to some of the behaviors that humans do in captivity (like biting, biting, drooling, and drooping) and that we should expect to have a pattern of behavior similar to those found in cities and zoos.
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hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be discussing an idea
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that i had that was prompted by something rubyard was saying on one of alt hiss yeah which is that
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if you look at many of the odd behaviors that you see in cities today among humans many of them look
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very similar to the types of behaviors that animals begin to make in captivity specifically
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mammals in zoos and a lot of people know the you know the mouse utopia experiment right and they
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tried to draw a a line between the mouse utopia experiment and the ills of modern society and
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tick tock and falling fertility rates you know and it's like that's all well and good but the problem
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is is that we have evidence and you can find it online if you if you google about this somebody
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did a extremely long blotted post that the mouse utopia experiment may have basically been faked
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like we don't know for sure it basically it's it was of that period of experiments in like the 1950s
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when like nobody really cared if it was true or not they just cared how how spicy it wasn't like
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pre-validation there wasn't yeah go for it sure yeah sure whatever you want to put this in your
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backyard yeah it'll be full of dead mice soon sure whatever basically what it appears they may have
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done is run a bunch of trials and then only reported the ones that were that got interesting
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results in a very uncontrolled format um but and and also that that only really gives us like
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one experiment to look at but if instead of correlating with mouse utopia experiment we
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correlate with well-known and well-documented behavior from zoos oh and when there's a lot of
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zoos and there's a lot of animals yeah a lot of and this could be upstream of everything to do with
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fertility collapse because as you know one of them well yeah like you even you you know when we used
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to start in the very beginning talk talking with media you talked about people breeding like caged
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pandas yeah people know caged pandas are famously hard to breed the pandas don't really breed in
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captivity but lots of animals don't breed in captivity there there are many species of wild animals that
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will almost not breed in captivity which is odd you know people can look at humans not breeding and
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they're like it's really weird because like evolutionarily we should be programmed to like
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want to do all of this especially like if you've got nothing but time what are you gonna do but bang
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each other what's going on here yeah um and then literally it is very similar to cities they are in
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a confined area but natural predators are removed and they are given all the food that they could ever
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want yeah and they are just tons of toys are thrown in with them like with us like being on our
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phone or something like that yeah they're given all of the stimulation so that they can masturbate
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these traditional instincts when i say masturbate an instinct what i mean is masturbation as a concept
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is is is when you are using a stimuli that is not the stimuli that a pattern of arousal or pleasure
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evolved to be triggered by to trigger that and so it could be you know your uh exploration stimuli
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from like a video game or something like that that's a form of masturbation right or as we've
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said before you know having pets instead of having kids is a form of masturbating specific
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child-rearing instincts for some individuals but anyway so very very very similar circumstances
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and i'm just gonna dive into it because i thought it was really interesting and and i'm he wasn't the
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first person to go into this somebody write a book on this subject i think it's far back at the 1950s
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interesting so yeah yeah and i i did a little bit of of searching around this topic like wondering
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what i immediately wondered and i i actually have a theory as to why this is the case also it sort of
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dovetails with what we said so we can kind of share our notes and diagnoses yeah okay animals and zoos
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often exhibit zoocosis repetitive purposeless actions due to stress lack of stimulation restricted space
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examples include big cats pacing for hours elephants swaying or rocking their heads zebras
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biting non-food objects repeatedly and walruses regurgitating food oh they're going bulimic
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this this just sounds either like teenage girl stuff or autistic person stuff right yeah well and what's also
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interesting about these behavior patterns is that they they seem to be species specific so yeah what
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we see here is we can see like the the zebras biting non-food objects or walruses regurgitating food or elephants
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swaying or rocking their heads or big cats pacing what this means is that we should expect humans to have a
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pattern of behavior like this actually while i go further can you see if humans exhibit any behaviors
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that are zoocosis like when in extreme captivity like jail cells or something oh i think that'd be
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pretty interesting to see if we noted anything like that cities impose similar confinement through small
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apartments etc leading to repetitive stereotypes like compulsive phone scrolling nail biting skin
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picking or substance abuse binge drinking and overeating so you could see these behaviors like these simple
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addictive behaviors as being something that you see in jail cells and not sorry in in sort of the captive
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environment i'd also note here that there is a common misunderstanding of zucosis that people say that
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monkeys in the wild like i don't know it became like a red pill talking point don't masturbate this is
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not true at all monkeys in the wild masturbate a lot it's well recorded in in wild monkeys they may
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masturbate slightly less than captive monkeys but i think that's more an issue of the amount of time
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that they have on their hands in terms of like status fights getting food everything like that
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what'd you find simone it says and i asked perplexity humans do exhibit behaviors similar to zucosis
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abnormal repetitive and somewhat self-destructive behaviors found in captive animals when subjected
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to extreme confinement such as in prisons or during prolonged hospitalization uh yeah keep
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very well like what behaviors what does human zucosis look like like pacing rocking self-harm
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as a result of stress i mean these are all things we see in city dwellers as well so i guess this
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is what makes sense compulsive repetitive routine self-injury or agitation as coping mechanisms
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self-injury the entire transmission and then also a prolonged isolation in humans is strongly
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associated with depression anxiety panic attacks mood swings impulsivity apathy withdrawal and even
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psychotic system symptoms such as hallucinations and paranoia even cognitive impairments i mean is
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that not what we're seeing was trump derangement syndrome which is primarily coming from cities
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emotional distress and and also paranoia and and hallucinations and yeah wild and i'll note here we've
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mentioned in other videos that this incredible low fertility rate and the behavioral issues you
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see associated with cities are not a new phenomenon in fact cities have been a fertility shredder for
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well as long as we have records of them the the fertility rate in cities has never been above
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repopulation rate except for jewish populations that's the only population yeah so just there's always
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just been this understanding that like the population comes from the rural areas and gets shredded and
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and disappears in the urban areas yeah and and our theory on that which we've done videos on is jews
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should be thought of as like a human ethnic group that is such a city specialist as we've noted something
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like 98 of jews live in an urban center that is such an urban specialist and has been for so long that
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they've essentially evolved an adaptation to this environment that allows them to stay cognitively
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healthy and still breed while in urban environments and i love it when people are like oh you know
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because i was talking with a reporter today and she goes you can't possibly live in a city like
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manhattan and have a bunch of kids and i'm like well the orthodox jews living in manhattan would have
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something to say about that i think yeah they're doing all right yeah they really are doing all right
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yeah yeah but i think you also need you you basically can't do that if you also at the same time
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assimilate with mainstream culture in cities and use mainstream urban institutions like the de la motte family
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which is i think 10 or 11 kids they're the ones who are very musical and have kids in juilliard
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just left new york city after losing all their money because they lived in a normal new york townhouse
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and they shopped at normal restaurants and went out to normal stores and kind of integrated i mean like
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you know they still have no idea what they were thinking they they didn't have jobs from what i know
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they sold a house somewhere else and then used they busked for money i i think yeah i think they
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kind of expected that i mean out of faith that god would provide kind of i also think that they expected
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to hit more pay dirt from their social media work than they expected they get did get for example like a
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tlc show but it didn't get serialized um and i think they kind of hoped that it would and that maybe
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they'd get some money out of that and also i think they have social media like they have a management
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company that they currently owe fourteen thousand dollars to so like it seems that that's what they
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wanted to lean into and it just didn't work out that's a shame no yeah i mean i can see making
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i mean we don't have a job right now you know subscribe on patreon um but no like thanks to everyone
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who has supported us yeah yeah i mean we are if we keep going at this rate we should be able to
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support ourselves on youtube i'd say within like a year and a half yeah people are pointing out though
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that we're like just asking to be demonetized so who knows i don't know i don't know how to train
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your wife all right so the next trait that you see was in zoos is hyper aggressive aggression and
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social strain oh social strain what does social strain look like in zoo animals so marine mammals
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e.g orcas become hyper aggressive towards each other or humans due to isolation from natural pods
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primates might withdraw or fight over resources bears or big cats show an increased head tossing
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or pacing when stressed and refined head toss oh sick burn it's the head toss we know they will bite
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your arm off oh my god i am never gonna financially recover from this
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but anyway but but consider with these cities you get things like road rage
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and karen's just and karen's one social aggression yeah yeah okay the zoo animals of women karen
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well i mean karen's don't make sense it's it's women often sort of engaging in an abnormal sort of
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dominance display like social dominance display is what it really is when when they are affluent middle
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class not threatened and and have no direct like tribal relation within a dominance hierarchy to the
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person they're karening you know like i want to talk to your manager thing this is not someone within
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your social network who is a direct threat to your your position and indominance hierarchy so there's
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also not a lot of like normal evolutionary sense for you to mean girl them like it makes sense to mean
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girl someone in your church community or in your like bridge club community if it's the 1950s or something
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but not not a stranger at a store this is mean girling for no reason at all somebody who really can't
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fight back yeah interesting any of our fans are wondering am i being a karen sometimes just define
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it as do you ever pull social rank on service staff like you should there is no reason anyone should ever
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be pulling social rank on service staff in the in the after of this episode we're going to be talking about
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this but also it's also known for for pulling rank on uh relative strangers like it could be someone in
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your like homeowner's association and you're like you can't put your trash can there that's karening too
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right right no i understand that's karening but i think that most karens who karen like that are also
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going to do it in other situations yeah like how do you know and if you're like well i don't do it much
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it's like bro literally never in my life have i felt the impulse to pull social rank on a service
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staff yeah it has never even crossed my mind with simone i've never seen her do it once i've never
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seen anyone who i dated do it if you do this and you've even had instances where certain people have
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put fake cockroaches in your food at restaurants and you don't even say anything to anyone you just walk
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away oh we should get video footage of that well i think i i handled it very with a lot of manners
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and maturity to be honest yeah you just kind of caught up and you're like are you kidding me and you
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just walked away this was in by the way the la restaurant famous for where being the the place where
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el woods was dumped in legally blonde i don't know if you knew that yeah that was so but so i just i
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just i didn't i didn't make a fit or a scene i just stood up and said are you kidding me you walked
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and they were kidding you you just had no idea for quite some time
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anyway anyway elson reproductive declines uh that's a big one often leads to obesity reduced
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fertility and shorter lifespans elephants with foot issues from hard surfaces and polar bears with
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typic swimming animals may overheat provided food without natural exercise or stress effects
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which which can affect breeding um this is really interesting to me because you you do see this in
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humans as well you do see higher rates of obesity now definitely as society has further urbanized
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and you see higher which is interesting because it means that our response to urbanization
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is not just predictable it's natural yeah which is very interesting to me oh that's a good point
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that is a good point yeah yeah we're not yeah you'd see this in anyone huh okay
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yeah the an interesting phenomenon here as they know is that some animals in like they lose their
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quote-unquote wildness which can in part be their ability to normalize to humans they note here that like
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urban adjacent foxes can become very docile around humans and and basically not afraid of humans
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and otherwise nice to humans whereas it's rarer for foxes to become tolerant of humans in captivity
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that's really interesting why would that be yeah because it's like jailers versus somewhat symbiotic
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people who are like oh fox i'm gonna give you food have my doritos no some foxes have been
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genetically conditioned to be like pets yeah i know there was that breeding experiment but then they
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basically just turned into dogs with floppy ears right yeah but this is different yeah this appears
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different so another behavior do animals frequently just display stereotypic behaviors here that we've
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talked about this to an extent like rocking spinning etc that resulted boredom but this could be seen
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seen as analogous to adhd and hyperactivity which we see a rise of you know as mentioned before in
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regards to adhd like are humans really designed to sit at a desk for like eight hours a day like
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no we we are not evolved to do that right and so a lot of populations are just going to go crazy when
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they do that which means that you're going to see evolution happen further i mean you don't go crazy when
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doing that you actually seem highly adapted to long-term mostly stationary work so yeah but as
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long as you do that from the treadmill desk i mean i'm totally exhibiting the the tiger pacing
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not not even i actually argue that you're you're you're exhibiting a highly adaptive behavior
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i suspect people who feel an impulse to only want to work alone at their computer while walking all day
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are going to have better health outcomes than the ones who only want to sit in front of a computer
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all day or would see doing more than sitting at a computer as like an imposition
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fair point yeah yeah and i mean some of our patreon subscribers have pointed out the need to
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evolve either as a culture or whatever adaptations that allow us to continue to survive whether that's
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like well so that's why we're walking desk we're helping evolve that i'm making the next generation
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that combines your downside with your strengths and and or my strengths and your strengths hopefully
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i mean in our kids very interestingly is one thing i was really afraid of it's to
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have kids that would exhibit both of our weaknesses oh yeah hey it'll still happen well the the assorting
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hasn't happened that way so far all the kids seem to have
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well i mean you would argue that that's why to you it feels like they only take after me
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but personality wise they do seem to disproportionately take after me um yeah except for
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one our second second oldest are you kidding he's all about breaking rules i was never about breaking
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rules torson torson yeah yeah he's a little about breaking rules yeah he's the only one who doesn't
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know how to be a good boy and he lets us know all the time i just don't know how to be a good boy
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and i'm like i think you do know how to be a good boy i think that you have decided intentionally to
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not be a good boy he knows all about good boy things we had a 30 freaking minute conversation
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about good boy things and bad boy things he knows what's good then and weirdly included feeding cat
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food to cats under good boy things i really like that which i kind of muddled though i was like i don't
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know man if it's like stray cats and it's causing a cat colony like this may not be a good thing and
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i i i shouldn't be getting i did you tell him that sometimes poisoning cats can be a good boy thing
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i mean but i'm going to hell for this oh well yeah anyway love you let's keep going okay all right
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all right all right let me dig your i was i wasn't going to talk there because i wanted you to dig
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further going to how your hatred of cats i love cats i very much identify with cats they're all right
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so you barely poisoned any cats barely i mean i i was the one who wait what are you going to say oh
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yes you had when the family dog had to be killed or cat had yeah you took i'm always the one like
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who's like yeah let's do it let's go it's time you just took responsibility simone well and i mean
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the same way with humans it's not like this is a cat thing yeah when you had to put humans to
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to pasture you did the same thing but everyone was like oh this person's getting pretty old simone just
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like takes them out back it's like i got it don't worry you guys don't need to get your hands dirty
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just me simone far man well anyway i literally she would be that way though
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i don't know what i would do with the body my problem is bodies i don't know what to do with
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bodies they're messy that's why i haven't killed any of our chickens yet oh true yeah to process them
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like killing them's fine is that why you have all the feathers yet simone they don't want to deal
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with the body i i can see it in your eyes it does it would be a unique nightmare to deal with a dead
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human body no i i wife i i our audience needs to know this and walt guys oh walt right you just get
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one the secret to women is get one that is squeamish with dead bodies so she doesn't kill you
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yeah that's what you should really be getting in these that's the dream that's the dream not like
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what are your thoughts about divorce it's more like so what are your biggest fears around you
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know needing to take do you think probability wise before i keep going here it's more likely
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that you kill me in a future timeline or that you divorce me in a future timeline gosh yeah i
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i again though i don't want to deal with the body so it would have to be divorce
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if if if like it was a video game where like you you you shoot someone and then they just like
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you know break into sparkles then definitely kill you know what i mean break into sparkles
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so how we wish it went you know if only yeah lethargy and withdrawal animals exhibit decreased
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locomotion huddling self-clasping or apathy signs of depressive like stakes and a lack of control
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elephants and cetaceans show head bobbing or circling as coping mechanisms these are related
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to neurotransmitter imbalances and boredom in captivity causes depression like symptoms which
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we also see in humans humans who live in urban environments depending on how urban the environment
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is have much higher rates of depression and within the urban cultural specialists uh like the urban
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monoculture you see very high rates of depression you also see in captivity another thing that we see
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in urban populations is self-harm you know pulling out fur which uh you know grinding teeth very similar
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to human you know cutting or unaliving attempts or other things that you see very commonly within human
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cultures well especially isolated people who've been in prison or isolated through hospitalization
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for the thing i just looked up yeah so yeah very similar very similar another interesting one is
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abnormal status seeking or dominance displays normal status seeking yeah i mean excess aggression
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towards subordinates or symbolic displays birds puffing up feathers unnaturally
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or primate twerking resources um what's interesting from this is karens karens are an unusual dominance
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display as we were talking yeah yeah yeah outside your domain you're not benefiting
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yeah another thing that you get is enclosures often cause understimulation boredom or over
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stimulation from crowd or noise prompting inattentive but abnormal behaviors like object manipulation
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e.g. raccoons creating games with trash or over eating food which leads to obesity as we talked
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about as well this could be seen as analogous to human thrill seeking like bungee jumping
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excessive shopping etc oh wow just to feel something i never thought about it that way but that's
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but you did all that stuff you did per jumping was the parachute jumping skydiving yeah wow
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what a foolish thing to do i cannot believe you did that one it's not like i mean aside from my
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parents who was gonna miss me you know i was dating you at the time uh were you dating me when i went
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skydiving yeah you got it as a reward for our date that was the reward from the competition that you did in
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in your office to to see who you could force to go dating well yeah but but but you were gonna break
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up with me so it didn't matter it would just be a cool story you know your ex-girlfriend who died in
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a tragic skydiving accident be great you know do you know how hard it would have been to replace you
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simone yeah you didn't yeah but we didn't it we didn't know that at the time that you were gonna
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i had mostly figured it out at the time well i hadn't i was so sure you were gonna find someone
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at stanford so i did nothing wrong i'm blameless here okay it's just doing the world a favor
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another interesting one here is mal imprinting it's called it's just like where a duckling just starts
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following you instead so animals will form attachments to inappropriate objects or species
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each hand-reared birds bonding with humans instead of mates which can lead to or or even inanimate
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objects on occasion this could be seen as very akin to parasocial relationships with humans overly
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bonding with people they see on youtube or on tick tock etc no no no i am defending my parasocial
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relationships they have everything i actually want into friendship and more i think it's it's
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sort of given the direction we're going but i was just giving an example here that a standard youtuber
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would give okay simone okay okay people come to us for both our slightly intellectual and brain dead
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takes they just want they just want to feel loved that's what we're here for you know it's so funny i was
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talking with simone about this but within our fan base we seem uniquely contest conceptualized as a
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mom and dad like role for for fans is the way that we're often talked about when i see us talked about
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in like larger communities which is weird where when you contrast somebody like ben shapiro who's always
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thought of by most people as like a kid like what do the young people think i'll go to ben shapiro is
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older than us now right and i've always been told i look uniquely young for my age so it is weird for
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me to be seen in this mom and dad role all the time but i think it's because we got famous in relation to
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having kids and so people are always contextualizing us within this context of uh and together and
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together yeah i mean we're always interacting as a husband and wife and i guess when people see a
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husband wife interact and tell me things the the evoked set is mom and dad i'll take it well yeah
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no and as we get older actually it makes a lot of sense now that i think about it there aren't in
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terms of conservative influencers any other ones i can think of that work as a married team and so it's
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very hard like you can say oh jordan peterson's like my dad in in sort of like if i don't have like a
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stable mom and dad the problem is is then who's your mom right like are you choosing a separate
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mom who has no relationship with jordan peterson and the or like jordan peterson parasocial sons just
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in single family households intellectually speaking yeah if jordan peterson's like your intellectual
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dad you're in an intellectual single family household it's so sad poor things actually i've
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noticed a phenomenon to counter this that people have done which is to fan pair the influencers
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to serve as mom and dad for them the most like candace owens and jordan peterson no no the most
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common one is asthma gold and kirsha i'll take it i'll take it because she always talks positively
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about him and i don't know how much he knows about her oh he must know because people are always shipping
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them oh they are oh constantly yeah it's like a constant thing on her show is is that they're in a fake
00:26:56.020
relationship which is really sad because why why don't you guys just get in a relationship you seem like you
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you know do they both live in austin asma gold lives in austin she's in boston oh then that's not
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going to work out is it you can't rhyme through proximity you need to be close physically move
00:27:12.180
you've moved for me before you know come on simone but it's it's an odd role to be playing as an adult
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when i had always conceptualized myself as somebody who's uniquely hip with young people things like i i
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watch a lot of like children's entertainment even now oh that's true yes that is true yeah
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it was so funny i remember like i met my cousins and they go how do you know and this is even from
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the generation before this how do you know everything about all the shows that are popular
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with our generation but yeah it has been weird to build this older framing online because one of the
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instances where it was very funny is somebody was like oh this is like a boomers take on like
00:27:52.260
4chan one more 4chan video and i was like bro do you not know how old i am like 4chan was becoming
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a thing in my generation it was my generation that was 4chan and built the 4chan culture before it
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became glowy right like if you are significantly younger than me then it is unlikely that you ever
00:28:13.220
even got a chance to experience real 4chan which makes me think that whoever said this is actually around
00:28:18.260
the same age i am they just conceptualized me as an older person maybe but anyway
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the next one learned helplessness loss of autonomy constant confinement erodes animals
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sense of control leading to learned helplessness behaviors like apathy reduced exploration and ptsd
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like symptoms and you could see this if you look at cities with like bureaucratic red tape economic
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pressure surveillance as creating a similar sort of environment where you have this sense of loss of
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control and sense of helplessness what can we learn from this destroy cities i don't know like
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that's not going to happen but i i i'd actually say the benefits if you can if you can work from home
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of living in a rural environment are something that you are likely underestimating unless you are dating
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cities are very sort of necessary to find a spouse but once you find a spouse unless you're a jew in which
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case you know stay in a city you seem to be adapted to that environment i'd i'd strongly suggest countries
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that would be yeah yeah yeah i i do think cities are a good place to go and build your career and build
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a network and find your partner 100 like i i wouldn't dissuade our children from visiting a city
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uh or living in one essentially visiting but you're going in a city was the goal of getting out of the
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city you're not 100 it's with the full understanding that you are not going to stay there and i think
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that's more normalized than many think at least for those who plan on having children but when i was
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thinking about this subject i looked to see if researchers had found any meaningful behavioral or
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psychological difference between urban and rural populations and on the surface and this is human
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you would think that the urban populations are specifically and very explicitly and clearly
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better off so when it comes to neuroticism urban residents have lower neuroticism generally more
00:30:18.420
openness more conscientiousness more a higher psychological well-being similar levels of life
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satisfaction and even more likely to exercise versus rural populations which are more likely to exhibit risky
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behaviors and and the only area where like they seem strictly worse off on a very surface level
00:30:38.660
is that urban residents have lower levels of community engagement versus higher levels among
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rural populations but then as i was thinking about this in the context of you describing zoo animal
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environments and this was also mentioned in some of the research was it in some of the research when you
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controlled for things uh like like psychological well-being when you controlled for the social services
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and i think health too that people had access to in cities at much higher rates then the differences
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disappeared so a lot of it had to do just with city people having so much more access to all of these
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services and conveniences that are just less there for rural people who now at least in the united states
00:31:23.460
are largely left behind even if they're equally qualified for social services it's just a lot harder to access
00:31:29.620
them and there's there's less of that feeling of a really strong social safety net and what i think might
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be going on is that life is also too easy in cities too convenient too immediately satisfying and in this
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goes back to your theme of like well zoo animals have everything taken care of for them you would think well why
00:31:49.620
aren't they thriving you know they should be totally fine and in in many ways you could also argue
00:31:54.740
well people in cities have everything taken care of for them everything's in arms reach away you can just
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seamless web or doordash like things really simply and easily you you can get everything immediately
00:32:05.380
but that doesn't serve them well like they may they may exhibit thriving on a surface level
00:32:13.620
but that thriving maybe correlates with a level of affluence that leads to sterilization does that
00:32:21.940
make sense yeah kind of going back to that conversation we had where we i was telling you about my
00:32:28.500
grandmother's autobiography and just how dystopian and scary her life was as she was fleeing paris when
00:32:34.900
the nazis were invading and you know they're like they're there's the roads are being bombed as they're
00:32:40.340
trying to drive away and the cars are running out of gas and it's just terrifying and she has so much
00:32:45.940
drive to live to survive and i mean i'm sure by like most measures her health was probably terrible
00:32:53.540
her psychological well-being was terrible she was probably very neurotic you know all these things
00:32:58.660
like you would think by all objective measures that she was not thriving but in the end this gave her a
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drive to do better to take risks to work hard that produced in the end for her quite a bit of wealth
00:33:14.740
and a family so go figure you need it hard what was i gonna say who's the point you just made i
00:33:22.660
remember i wanted to respond to it and so people need hardship and if things are too easy they do badly
00:33:27.460
with a reporter from from la when she was talking about how you just can't afford to have kids you
00:33:33.620
know doing what and she didn't need to live in la you know because she you know travels for her job
00:33:38.180
to do the the stories and everything and she's like you just can't afford to have kids and i was like
00:33:42.980
well you mean you can't afford to have kids without sacrifices she's like yeah but do you really want
00:33:47.140
me to like sacrifice like my happiness or the things i want to do in order for children and my ability
00:33:52.500
and i'm like i did all that you know i'm a similar socioeconomic class of you or i should be you know
00:33:58.340
given my degree and everything and i guarantee you i am more satisfied with my life than you are
00:34:03.620
100 yeah you're not really making a sacrifice not in the way that you think about it you're making
00:34:08.900
an immediate sacrifice for a much better life mm-hmm yeah and and you i mean at least we personally
00:34:15.860
have found that we we traded off luxurious things that we thought would make us happy for i don't know
00:34:23.620
very basic or fundamental things that we didn't value which bring us more contentment
00:34:29.220
and happiness than we could have possibly imagined so it's also just not really well communicated
00:34:34.740
how much you're going to get from the things that you are taking on and and for which you are making
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great sacrifices yeah even a simulated rural environment like if you look out our windows
00:34:47.460
even though we're next to like a highway basically you wouldn't know it looks like we live in the woods
00:34:51.620
yeah it looks like the english countryside which is so cool but we're by we're like literally on a
00:34:58.260
highway we're on a state route anyway love you to death have a great day love you too gorgeous
00:35:07.060
coming in loud and clear sounding sexy as always oh what people like the you being hypnotized and
00:35:15.140
brainwashed cover i told you it was a good play i told you it was a good play for the cover
00:35:21.300
well you were right as always and a woman being whipped everybody wants to see that
00:35:27.140
yeah yeah who doesn't especially women i've i'm reading enough of their romance novels
00:35:32.820
by yes yes there does seem to be my romance addiction these days
00:35:41.460
yeah i don't know oh wait that happens and i don't know like
00:35:45.860
like it literally simone in the last 10 minutes within the romance manga i'm reading somebody was
00:35:51.700
whipped but the main character or like it was a maid that the main character got whipped for
00:35:57.220
disrespecting her i i like my main character's pretty evil that's the thing that's why i like
00:36:02.740
romance manga so much is women are way okay was more evil like that in any other book is a sign that
00:36:10.660
you're dealing with the villain character right like that's how they establish presumably yeah
00:36:15.460
bad guy i actually don't i've watched media before where the a good character like the protagonist
00:36:23.300
ends up having a servant whipped for disrespecting them but really yeah here here we are that's that's
00:36:32.580
my type of book yeah i mean honestly like if it's a little bit logical i could maybe kind of understand
00:36:39.060
it vis-a-vis the the romance novels that i have found my way to they are pretty freaking
00:36:47.140
disappointing in terms oh no i've got to i've got to introduce you to oh yeah you only listed on
00:36:52.260
audiobook but you say they're disappointing but you've listened to like you'll be like oh i hate
00:36:56.340
this series so anyway in book number three and it's like simone simone they're in our romance
00:37:02.980
novels episode where we go over the plots of romance no one believes they are when i say that i
00:37:08.900
listen to them to fall asleep no one believes me and in the one i was breeding the maid did deserve
00:37:14.900
it she said that because the woman was born illegitimately they were the same status
00:37:18.980
to a maid you know the nerve the nerve right you know goodness well i mean when you put it that
00:37:26.020
way i i'd whip a maid for that come on simone yes i don't know if i'd have would i have the stomach
00:37:33.780
to be a noble i guess if it was like culturally normal i oh in terms of like disciplining see
00:37:40.420
that's the thing is neither you nor i would ever like even if we had infinite money want staff at our
00:37:49.140
house because that would be the worst to be surrounded by people like why do people
00:37:55.540
opt into this like i would pay money to not although they're they're like famous reclusive
00:38:01.620
rich people who did tons of things like and apparently this is also something that was in
00:38:06.500
i don't know who's oh yeah lex wexner or whoever epstein the the victoria's secret guy who epstein
00:38:15.540
conned into like he had power of attorney over all his money and stuff in his house he had a dining room
00:38:20.900
table that went to a lower floor and then would come back up with all the food on it this also
00:38:26.180
existed in the castle of some reclusive bavarian prince or something so like i think the the autistic
00:38:34.340
nobles it's funny that you mentioned this simone i've mentioned this before to you the house i grew up
00:38:39.460
in in dallas was a very old very wealthy like aristocratic which one the one that we ended up
00:38:45.860
randomly visiting at a stanford no no no the one after that is much larger i've pointed it out to
00:38:51.780
you but we weren't able to go inside yeah in highland park yeah it genuinely looks like a palace but
00:38:59.620
anyway yeah it had pathways in the walls in all of the rooms so that you never had to see the staff
00:39:07.300
so that the staff creepy though you don't want to know that there's like a place where people can hide
00:39:12.180
you know what i mean like i really appreciate that our walls are literally thin boards of wood
00:39:17.620
through which you can hear everything yeah but that's that's the degree before before i was sent
00:39:23.620
off to like a prison system and never lived with my family again after 13 like the level of of
00:39:29.860
relatively aristocrat that they were i think is harder hard to overstate yeah it's a really pretty
00:39:35.700
house i bet i could find a picture of it on google maps no no no it the the one that's there now it
00:39:40.420
was torn down and rebuilt oh really yeah the house from my childhood isn't there anymore well that's
00:39:46.980
a shame wow i thought really i thought it was like that was the house that i looked at where my next
00:39:53.940
door neighbor was army hammer the guy who became the famous actor who then had his career ruined over
00:39:59.940
a vore fetish was it just like bdsm it was it was the vore stuff that got it really hit they always get
00:40:07.860
you for the vore stuff gotta keep your mouth shut you know people come on i i mean he was he was
00:40:15.780
very aggressive about like actually doing it with people and stuff yeah i think that's the problem
00:40:20.580
yeah i'm thinking if you're like commissioning cringe-worthy fan art which now you can just use ai to
00:40:26.660
do well would it work for that well i just used ai this morning to create my little pony fan art and
00:40:33.540
i was like damn i mean you're not perfect but not bad guys because you were you were telling me that
00:40:39.780
well you're only going to be able to find fan art that's decent and compared like when i looked at
00:40:44.420
the fan art i was able to get versus the stuff that ai generated i was actually really impressed i'm
00:40:51.060
gonna check out the my little pony title card you put together yeah i have it open right now i've made
00:40:56.340
a i've made a couple oh they're little authoritarian ponies look at that yeah they're like they're
00:41:00.900
they're really not bad i was i was very surprised yeah i thought i would have problems with nazi ponies
00:41:06.340
but it doesn't appear to no you know i think you know maybe it's the vibe shift suddenly like you know
00:41:14.100
they brought the fashion back to back to fascism yeah i like i like the the storm one is pretty good
00:41:20.180
oh see that was grok and that was that was that surprised me that the more like realistic figurine
00:41:25.940
fan art that was grok and then the illustration based ones were from black forest which i just
00:41:32.900
think is fantastic i'm such a huge fan of black forest so yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be tough
00:41:38.100
to choose maybe we should ask the people on patreon for their choice of the pony one okay yeah you gotta
00:41:44.900
yeah choose choose a choose your pony so you guys are gonna flip the rock and show me a lobster
00:42:03.140
do you think he ran away yeah i think he got away
00:42:29.140
maybe he got dead under the rock it's amazing yeah because i was moving it
00:42:38.980
it's like i see signs of lobster i see signs of lobster kind of