“Bite Off Your Hamster’s Head” Kids Do the Darndest Things
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss a satanic cult that was started on minecraft and roblox by a 15-year-old from the midwest. They would lure young women into video chats and extort them into cutting themselves performing live acts or harming themselves.
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hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about a
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satanic cult that was started on minecraft by a 15 year old on minecraft yeah well yeah it grew
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early on minecraft and roblox and people can hear about this and they can be like how bad can it be
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specifically we're going to be going over the 764 group which is linked to other groups in the
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calm network like the no lives matter movement the manic murder cult the sadistic manics cult
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the satanic front oh goody and the mordroff division but anyway so you might be hearing
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this and being like how bad how bad can this really be it's a bunch of children so i'll read
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from an article in wired and then we'll get to the article itself but this is just sort of
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preview of the type of shenanigans they get up to okay card and head and other members of this
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group would lure young women into video chats and extort them into cutting themselves performing
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live what's the word here i should use actual acts or harming themselves eve a girl from the midwest
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when she was younger her her mother recounted her daughter being drawn into the exploitation network
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through gore servers on discord where i'm gonna just going forwards in this whenever i'm talking
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about people who are below certain age ranges we're just going to use the word chicken instead okay
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okay that sounds good the word chicken instead okay i think i can handle that okay where chickens
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would watch ultra violent content what 764 would do is they would go in and drop videos in these groups
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and try to start pulling kids out of it and into that server she before i go further this is actually
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really interesting before we get into what happened to this girl is is how they did it so they take gore
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and other extreme content and they dump it into things like minecraft or roblox or children's discord
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servers oh so like elsagate but on steroids and way worse yeah because it's very intentional well it's
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different than that because with elsagate it's like oh this stuff is doing well with kids or anything
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like that this is more like if you're at that edgy phase of like being young you know like let's say
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you're like 10 or 11 or something like that yeah and you're like oh i'm not allowed to talk about this
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sort of stuff um you know somebody dumps it and you're like oh this is where the edgy cool kids are
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let's go to their town like let's go to their server um so the moderator of 764 server who went by
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brad one of the aliases connected to kate and head quote-unquote groomed her daughter through false
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shows of affection and convincing them to send unclosed photographs once they establish a degree
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of trust kaden and the exhorters threatened to harm her elementary school aged brother or release the
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explicit photographs on video calls they would urge her to unalive herself and convince her to carve
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usernames of members of the server into her skin oh my gosh they talk later in the piece that i think
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like half a decade or a decade later she still has some of these scars oh oh this is screwed
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they pressured her to strangle her cat and even behead her hamster on camera wait and she did it
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yes but biting its head off they said bite the head off or i'll f up your whole life a user named felix
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told eve on video during the police investigation felix was an alias associated with the ip address linked
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to kaden head eve did all of this from her bedroom closet things took a turn for the worse when she
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cut herself too deeply one night in the bathtub and turned the waters red like one of her extorters had
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requested they also swatted the family's house and began calling her school and telling the principal
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she tried to murder animals prompting school officials to file a report to the police you just
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don't realize how quickly it can happen eve's mother said according to her mother fbi did not reach out
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to eve until december 2023 the stevenville police department was not aware of eve's victimization
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by camden head blah blah blah blah until two years after his arrest eve's mother said fbi agents
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contacted her the following months and asked for details blah blah blah blah sorry i i skip ahead a lot
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when i'm reading pieces for stuff you guys don't care about an interview with camden head gave the
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probation services confirmed the general details of eve's story bradley did admit to the group's use of the
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servers to do that sort of extortion on individuals as red said they would do this for money and
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sometimes just for power over individuals and caden head himself admitted urging users of the server to
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carve his initials into their bodies as a form of homage and described his servers as a cult and
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himself as a venerated leader last spring this guy caden head who we'll get to later 18 years old 15 when
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he started the group was sentenced to jail for 80 years well okay at least there was that no no no
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no there's there's unfortunately many other individuals in in in this group they were going
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to be going over a series of the arrests but you typically don't know of what they've done until
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after they've been arrested i can't believe so we're actually talking about this because i heard
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catherine d mention it on a blocked and reported episode this morning like i'd never heard of it before
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and i can't believe i've never heard of it because this is so grisly and horrible and it's something
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to which so many of our kids are vulnerable one thing that's getting a lot of coverage recently is
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porta potty parties in dubai have you heard of them no tell me oh yeah where they take women or
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whatever to explain well no basically so yeah like really really wealthy men in dubai offer to pay like
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instagram models and influencers who are really you know like attractive women between you know tens of
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thousands to even over a hundred thousand dollars to come out to these really debauched parties where
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they make them like eat poop and urinate in their mouths and things like that right but like these are
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adult women who are making really bad judgments and you know they're signing ndas and they're making a lot
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of money from it and then now there are cases of women unaliving themselves after this or even potentially
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being having their lives non-consensually ended if they like refuse to comply during the parties
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like i'm not saying these don't go wrong but this is like women getting themselves into it right
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then but then they're getting a lot of coverage the fact that this is happening
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to young children whose parents think that they're just having fun on roblox no but i think that that
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actually undersells the scope of this yeah if you look at this there are as many if not more people in
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the young perpetrator category i'm talking uh you know around the age of like let's say 15 to like
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17 right then there are in the victim category so when you think about your kids and how they get
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sucked into this you shouldn't just be thinking about your kids as potential victims right as potential
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perpetrators yeah and like again like there are only so many rich men in dubai i mean there's a lot
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right that are like they have like you know really really fetishes that they want to act on and are
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willing to do it like but like there there's an endless number of screwed up adolescents and well
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i think all adolescents are intrinsically screwed up yeah but now there's this this pipeline to like
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incredibly evil acts well yeah but i think the pipeline is actually in a way created by the parents
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and we'll get to that another thing i note here if you're like how is this stuff done at scale in the
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way it's happening okay it is so later on the piece goes the abuse was systemic and even codified
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in writing a user with the alias convict circulated a how-to guide for grooming potential victims
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that identifies chickens with mental disorders and illnesses as the most susceptible to manipulation
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well of course detailed instructions document how to feign affection and draw victims into influence
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and then turn attention into negative enforcement and so self-doubt in order to bring the person to the
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edge of a quote-unquote borderline episode the guide reads quote when they hit an episode
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continue to break them down until they seem defeated in quote that is so sick oh god how are we
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and i'm glad we're learning about this as parents yeah so i i will go into this as as we get into
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specific examples and stuff like that i mean people can imagine all the examples end up being somewhat
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samey if i'm gonna say if salacious but i think it's more interesting now we're at the beginning
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and we're talking the hook to talk about the theory around all of this and what's happening in our
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society okay a lot of the pieces on this will be like this chicken started to engage with online
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erotic material at like x young age yeah and that material involved gore and that is how they were
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brought into these communities the problem is is you know when we did our you know sexual survey for
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our arousal pattern stuff um one generally if kids are on the internet they are engaging with erotic
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material if they are at all counterculture right like oh not even that i mean i listened to a whole
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podcast on just those those weird mobile ads for games that ultimately are like 100 about fetishes
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like foot fetishes and vor and all these things like you'll you'll even see it if literally you're
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just exposed to mobile game ads but go on yeah well no i point out with something like vor or something
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in the book one of the statistics i always loved is the percent of the american population that is
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aroused by vor that is people eating other people is larger than the population that lives in the state
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of massachusetts which is like the fifth most populous state or something yeah to give you some
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skin we're not talking about and if you're talking about any of these more you know sort of gore
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related sadism related masochism related like any of the ones like we're not supposed to talk about
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arousal categories if you put those all together you're probably looking at like 25 of the population
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yeah and just to be clear and this is something that malcolm emphasizes again and again in the
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pragmatist guide to sexuality just because something turns you on doesn't mean you morally endorse it
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doesn't mean you practice it etc like a lot of these people clearly are going way too far with
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these but just because you're turned on by this doesn't mean you should can or even are morally
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okay with doing this okay but consider what's happening in these kids minds from the perspective
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of the way that parents have normalized different forms of sexuality and arousal content okay so
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they hit you know 15 16 whatever they start being aroused by things that they all don't have
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another explanation for sure and they see stuff whether it is masochistic related content for many
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of these young girls i would not be surprised given how common young girl masochists were when i was
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you know like in high school and stuff like that yeah cutting was so common in my middle school and high
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school yeah not not even just normal cutting but i'm talking like more direct mass because at one of the
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pieces are like like he like cut the girl and like drank her blood or something like that and i'm like
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bro i know so many people who are into like vampire stuff oh well yeah i mean at those ages but here's
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the problem it's the media and it's the parents who teach the kids that when what the the kids don't
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realize are fairly common arousal patterns right uh when we start to emerge in them they are the only the
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only evoked set they have is if i am getting x impulses i must be an evil satanist right oh yeah
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because no one has told them that a lot of people feel this way and it doesn't correlate with what
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you morally condone or yeah it doesn't mean this is not in order to act on it yeah yeah you can you
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can feel something that doesn't mean you have to act on it that doesn't mean that's not the way this
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is contextualized for them you're totally right only evil people like engaging with this sort of stuff
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yeah and because the kids are taught that at this very young age when they're trying to figure out
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who am i right they don't know who they are yet yeah they say well if only evil people
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find this stuff alluring then i am evil and then what they do is they begin to evil max
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they begin to take all of these other things they associate with vague evilness so what you'll notice
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about these groups is they don't often have like a coherent ideology they're not attempting
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to achieve any specific end in the world they're described as nihilistic but nihilism is the wrong
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way to put it because they're quite agentic for nihilists yeah they're not really nihilistic
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they have an agenda right but what the agenda is is a collection of all of the ideas and motivations
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and ideologies that society has told them whether it's nazi ideology or satanic worship like nazism
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and satanic worship are actually pretty antithetical ideologies yeah you actually look right well no no you
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see this with the type of like imbecile who's like a white nationalist and like a catholic
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integralist which is like weirdly common among like the nick fuentes crowd because you know he's a
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catholic integralist and some people think he's like white nationalistic and and these two things are
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literally directly antithetical the the the the clucox clan was specifically interested in wiping out
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blacks catholics and jews like catholics were just as bad as blacks to the clan
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and yet they will identify as that and this other thing because in their progressive minds i actually
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think that this is how people adopt these antithetical ideologies they grow up in progressive
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urban monocultural households and they go what are the most evil groups i could associate with
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oh let's go nazi kkk and you know some extremist religious christian group this very traditionalist
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like catholic integralism um and it it forms a completely incoherent ideology or you look at
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these kids who grew up very sort of in more normie families and stuff like that and it's okay what's
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the most evil things that could happen i'm an evil person now i know i know that because my entire life
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i've been told that people that want to engage with x or y are evil yeah or that feel good when exposed to
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well some form of good aroused when they exposed to x or y yeah and when sometimes it's not even
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arousal sometimes it's just like this is interesting to me like i was told that this would repel me
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and yet i find it curious and interesting and i want to know more yeah and they they assume that's
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conflated with them endorsing it somehow and it's not it's not but then they get into communities right
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communities that collect content like this and they share content like this and they want to be
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involved in those community status hierarchies because that's just sort of naturally what
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happens to kids they say okay you know i'm in x or y group now this is a group of people who are like
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me because my parents are not like me they have signaled people who like xyz they're they're evil
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right right and so i am going to try to because because our brains our animal brain is like
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okay who's your tribe they're like this is my tribe what does my tribe do it tries to get
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chickens to bite their pets head off in in closets while filming it right now i need to do more than
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that like that's how status is earned within these communities which many of the articles go into
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and i need to do more than that i need to do more than that i need to do more than that and people can
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be like well i monitor my kids online activity and it's like you can not fully monitor your kids online
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activity once a kid is 15 if they are a smart kid yeah when they're an agentic kid which you should
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hope your kids are yeah they will understand technology at a level that you don't you cannot
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monitor a 15 year old's activity on the internet any more than your parents could have monitored you
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at 15 on the internet you that's a great way of putting it yeah yeah yeah you simply know more
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about how computers work than they do and they will simply know more about how ai and whatever the
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computers of tomorrow work and you're like well i monitor their pc and i monitor their phone and i
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monitor their their tablet and i'm like well i mean you do know that you can buy a cheap burner phone for
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like 40 bucks right on like ebay or something that's a few years old and they can access any discord server
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any online forum they don't need top-of-the-line hardware for this and then you're like oh shoot i hadn't
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thought of that where would my kid hide a burner phone you don't know where they'd hide a burner
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phone it could be at school the only way around seeing your kids radicalize is to and people can
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be like well look in my generation this is one of the things and this is why you know many people on
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our show or our comments know that we are like look i'm not saying pornography is like the best thing
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ever but i am saying or even fetishize pornography or online things like that but i am saying that
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building too much of a negative stigma around them within the current online social context
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gives attackers a very easy pathway to your kids and keep in mind it's not just this type of content i
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mean like what about furry content like if you tell them that these people are weird degenerates
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and then they watch something like that you know now if you're adding like furry stuff furry stuff in here
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you're not getting like like every everything that could potentially be derided by somebody that
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turns somebody on you're getting to like 50 of the population now you know now they're like oh well
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i'm a furry and furries are evil so i'm going to do a bunch of evil stuff and so the question is is how
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do you how do you go over this stuff with your kids well one we offered the pragmatist guide to
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sexuality for like 99 cents i think it is a fairly good book that does not glorify arousal or sexuality
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but also doesn't put too much negative stigma i will say it has a slight negative stigma throughout
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the book on it which is like humans are gross humans do gross things but like you're still a
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human because it's i think a pretty good book for parents to go over with their kids in the same way
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that like my parents would go over i don't know if your parents did with you like the the puberty
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books that are supposed to teach you about like oh no we didn't do that what's gonna happen at puberty
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that's what i'd probably go over with my kids because i think it explains so many aspects of
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arousal and gender identity in a way that is better than the lgbtq plus community does from the
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perspective of like some of the things we point out is that grouping humans into gay or straight as
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categories basically makes no sense when you consider that the number of people who are aroused
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predominantly by swapped genitals so by this what i mean is they will find sorry primary and secondary
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sex characteristics primary sex characteristics of sexual characteristics used in the mating process
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secondary sex characteristics are stuff like breasts or hand size or like broad shoulders
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broad shoulders right the broadly feared right yeah so the percentage of people who are aroused by
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one set of primary sex characteristics and the other set of secondary sex characteristics
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is larger than the population that is aroused by or i think it's like around the size of the
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population i can't remember it's big to the point where if you're talking about the community that
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arise by matching yet opposite sex characteristics you're like oh this isn't like a particularly in terms
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of unusual arousal patterns particularly pronounced enough to define it as a totally new type of
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humanity or something and this helps when you're going through all this with kids because then
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they're like oh when somebody comes up and tries to feed them this stuff they're like it reminds me
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of when i was a kid and one of the things my mom did with me that really helped me not get into drug
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culture as a kid is when i was younger she would smoke marijuana with me and so it was it was a mom
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thing and therefore a not rebellious thing yeah i thought it was like an old lady thing like people would
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come and they'd be like and it made it much easier for me to turn them down without feeling like i'm
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being excluded where they would come and they'd be like hey do you want marijuana and i was like i can
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always get marijuana from my mom like why do i want it from you your marijuana could be laced with
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something yeah and this immediately one sort of frames to them i'm actually way cooler than you and
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in a way cooler environment and household and everything like that that's true and two i'm doing it in a
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subversive way like well you don't know what that's been cut with like how how reliable is
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your dealer how did you source them you know now all of a sudden you're coming at this from a totally
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different oh no that's mom stuff and i want to do that for sexuality with our kids actually the
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intro to the pragmatist guide to sexuality is we pray that this book ruins or something like that
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we're sorry for it was like that it's dedicated to our children for whom we've just ruined
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sexuality yeah but yeah anyway i'm gonna keep going here but anything you want to say before i go
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further no i i very much agree with what you say and do think that in that sense we're setting up
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our kids pretty well to be prepared for this though i like all this sort of like chat room medicalization
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stuff i think i need to put more thought into that there's just so little you can do so little you can
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do you really need to give them a good friend network work really hard to make sure they have good
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friends online friends because that's where their best friends are likely to be which is why we focus
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on networking why we create you know the discord server we have and everything like that because
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i want environments where i would feel safe like i know on the base camp discord server nobody's
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getting grouped nobody's getting radicalized like it's just too diverse in the number of perspectives
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that are that are within it and so it's a great environment for my kids as they get older
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right and and i think that what i would you know put upon people within the discord server especially
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it's when young people are in the server you know be very supportive and make them feel
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important because that's what people young people especially want from online communities
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yeah because there is sort of the opposite type of online communities like i think
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okay within limits the effective altruism slash rationalist community for teens has been really good like
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they've jump-started the careers raised money sometimes it doesn't go so well but like there
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are some instances of of teens entering tight-knit communities that start online that lead them to
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accelerate their maturation and education and empowerment so it's not like it's all bad and
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one just has to be careful i guess i mean i don't think ea communities are safe anymore
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yeah but they used to be i mean like we met so many young people who are like
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incredibly mature incredibly entrepreneurial lizians literally came out of the ea community i know
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i know it's just we've also met many young people who have been really nicely shaped by it and the
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connections i made within it so that was in the last generation yeah i don't think it's not anymore
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but i'm just saying that there have been historical examples of online i mean i think the base camp is
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the new safe ea community hopefully like that's that's what we've been becoming that's what the
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pronatalist movements have been becoming because if you go to the normal one it's all like ai
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doomerism i have no reason to live anymore yeah it's that book tour but anyway the fbi and other
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foreign law enforcement agencies are investigating 764 for both are you trying to find a youtube safe
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way to put this yeah chicken sexual assault offenses and terrorism because of connections to the order
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of nine angels a satanist cult from great britain that has been ever present in the online edgelord
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and militant neo-nazi circles for over a past decade oh no what's because nazi memes and accelerationist
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propaganda glorifying homicidal members of white supremacist groups like antinmorph division
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frequently appear in the extortion groups telegram shots well many users appear unfamiliar with
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zero nine a dogma the sex symbols text and aesthetic have been widely co-opted within the group for shock
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value the practice of urging victims to injure themselves with cut signs also bears a striking
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resemblance to oh nine a rituals i'm gonna get into oh nine a but i think you see the media is
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misunderstanding what's going on here they say they're getting into this for quote unquote shock
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value and i don't think that's it i think they found one thing interesting and now they assume all
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things that they've coded negative in their mind must be co-coded as interesting um
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so to continue with a different piece here because i'm skipping to a new piece that's discussing this
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group that they're affiliated with a u.s soldier has been accused of plotting an attack on his own
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unit by sending information to an obscure nazi satanist organization called the order of nine
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angels but who are they founded in the uk in the 1970s the ona is an increasing focus for law
00:25:26.880
enforcement and appears as an influence in several recent uk terrorism prosecutions relating to extreme
00:25:33.220
right-wing stuff and again here of course just whenever they don't like whenever they see nazis
00:25:38.340
even though nazis are far closer to modern socialists than anything right-wing hey they
00:25:42.340
even hate the jews they're national socialists and a lot of people are like they weren't socialists in
00:25:48.800
the way that they're socialists we talk about today and i'm like no they literally were socialists in
00:25:53.920
every economic way you can use the word socialist come on guys we have another video where we go into
00:25:59.420
that i might put just another one like just how socialists were the national socialist it is
00:26:03.720
very socialist and very anti-semitic like the national socialists today and they divided people
00:26:09.280
based on rights and ethnicity and sexual orientation just like progressives today they're like oh but
00:26:13.980
we do it with different ethnicities and it's like it doesn't matter man it is the dividing humans based
00:26:19.540
on that stuff so anyway i i consider these groups to be left-wing whatever your politics are you want
00:26:23.880
to call it but anyway continue so the group lionizes the nazi era and dates its calendar from the birth of
00:26:29.140
adolf hitler um but its supernatural belief system goes beyond anything normally associated with right-wing
00:26:34.620
extremism so note here again i'm saying they're just trying to evil max they start their calendar
00:26:39.560
with adolf hitler's birth state right in the short term the goal is to undermine what they characterize
00:26:46.660
as decent judeo-christian society so note here i love it that they say that they're an extreme right-wing
00:26:52.300
group and they are an explicitly anti-christian group with an emphasis on placed real world attacks
00:26:58.460
the aim being a new imperial civilization based on a cruel mixture of social darwinism satanism and
00:27:06.540
fascism adherents are encouraged to secretly infiltrate government organizations such as the
00:27:11.820
military or christian churches in order to destabilize them from within those who progress
00:27:17.020
through the ona's hierarchical ranks are required to undertake various tasks including forming their own
00:27:22.280
small groups to prove their leadership abilities with the result that a decentralized network of
00:27:27.480
associated bodies exists throughout various countries there is a total rejection of essex and
00:27:32.480
some key texts even discuss ritual sacrifice both symbolic and actual such groups reject attempts at
00:27:38.440
gaining popular support on the extreme right because they're anti-christian they're not right-wing at
00:27:43.860
all anyway whether through demonstrations or campaigns and are instead committed to an ideology of
00:27:49.600
so-called accelerationism which predicts societal collapse and racial warfare seeking to speed the
00:27:55.100
process up through acts of violence well really what they're often trying to do is increase speeds of
00:27:59.260
stuff like immigration and stuff like that because they think it'll lead to social warfare which they
00:28:02.480
can take advantage of so they support pretty much only left-wing causes but okay let's the ideology is
00:28:08.740
promoted in several online spaces and that is where it blended with ideologies by ona giving the latter
00:28:15.080
an increased influence and the further edges of the online community the durham teen neo-nazi became
00:28:21.260
quote-unquote the living dead somebody said about him this last year a 16 year old british boy
00:28:25.160
became the youngest person to be convinced of planning a terror attack in the uk and he was influenced
00:28:29.400
by this goodness gracious so we can talk about the 15 year old who started all this yeah wikipedia
00:28:37.220
he was bullied during his high school years a classmate called him an easy target in his early teens
00:28:44.880
he suffered multiple psychological breakdowns and was isolated he told probation officers that he stopped
00:28:50.200
caring about anything and after dropping out of school at 15 withdrew to his room he found the
00:28:55.220
online network and named it after his zip code of his hometown so that's that's where it is
00:28:59.260
okay caterhan had noticeably been disruptive as a student at the age of 10 he was fascinated by
00:29:07.600
graphic online content depicting murder and torture he assisted principal alerted authorities about him
00:29:14.560
leading to an investigation into terrorist threats despite disciplinary measures he continued to use
00:29:19.860
school computers to draw images of school bangings pow-pows like our kid got in trouble for they say oh
00:29:27.540
somebody he drew a picture of a dead person but you see we don't stigmatize that when our kid does that
00:29:33.360
we don't stigmatize which means it never becomes alluring to him it is boring parent stuff well yeah
00:29:39.500
we're not like that's an evil thing that means that you must be an evil person yeah i actually talked with
00:29:46.840
the school about this they're like well i mean look at all these raising rights of violence in schools
00:29:50.540
and stuff like this why do you want to normalize this for your kid and i go those rates have have
00:29:55.300
occurred in correlation with the resent with the rate that you have not normalized this behavior in
00:30:01.480
young boys he can't talk about guns he got in trouble for talking about a nuke in school he can't draw
00:30:06.820
people who are are dead he can't draw people with a gun he can't draw people with a knife i was like
00:30:11.940
when can he draw like roman soldiers in a battle or something like that it like how old does he have
00:30:18.060
to be and they're like well i don't think even in high school you'd be allowed to do that today
00:30:21.440
and i'm like would you know how often men think about rome
00:30:24.940
you know how many times a day you know you you are suppressing completely normal thoughts in his head
00:30:31.720
which leads to radicalization and and when we talk about like just how far this goes
00:30:37.680
jason castro who is a judge who is going over him said of him in court there is something horribly
00:30:44.440
wrong with you horribly where it's like they're looking at stuff that they haven't benchlined they
00:30:51.920
don't know the percent of young boys who find this type of thing interesting and they just assume
00:30:57.320
because it's not normalized in their communities and keep in mind how much you chill out as an adult
00:31:01.460
okay as a young kid there were many times where i was like well who am i like am i evil because of x
00:31:10.120
like am i supposed to lean into that because and i think it's a really really toxic thing to teach young
00:31:15.540
people agree totally and you can see here the nihilism that is pervasive in many young kids makes
00:31:23.500
this easier but nihilism in youth has always been a thing like people were like come on yeah young kids
00:31:30.500
in the 90s weren't nihilistic i was like okay what you you literally went from like the goth who were
00:31:36.800
incredibly nihilistic the emos who were like a different brand of nihilism yeah the vampire kids
00:31:44.920
who were yet a different brand of nihilism okay different how they're you know one is good and
00:31:51.480
emos are horrible they're you know they're posers emos suck my golf balls all right all right think of
00:31:58.620
it this way a golf believes that deep down the world is totally fucked up but an emo thinks that
00:32:03.980
deep down they are totally fucked up that's not much of a difference that's a huge difference okay
00:32:09.400
okay look emos are more prone to suicide this bitch man but goths are more prone to be depressed that
00:32:15.340
so many people commit suicide goths darkness is nihilistic whereas emos is cynical wait i thought
00:32:21.520
we were cynical whatever it doesn't matter no see you're nihilistic oh yeah you're right yeah this
00:32:26.960
is just so normal you're going through it with adolescence it's it's gonna happen and then on top
00:32:33.720
of that i mean you also point out like you know a lot of this is based on people sort of realizing
00:32:38.220
they're they're aroused by stuff your arousal levels especially i think you're an adolescent male
00:32:43.340
are at their peak during these years they are out of control so even people who are adults were like oh
00:32:50.820
yeah i mean i guess i could kind of see no man like it must be so much stronger for what they're
00:32:55.340
experiencing as well yeah if you have going into other choice pieces from this this is about another
00:33:01.780
user in 2021 according to court records alameda posted a photograph of a bound and gag half-dressed
00:33:11.340
chicken with a caption life's always been s-h-i-t still i see past through rose-colored lenses
00:33:19.500
so sick um and yeah they were talking about how on the other guy's phone they found 20 images of his
00:33:30.720
his online moniker carved into people that they had carved into themselves and in this other one
00:33:36.800
they're talking about this guy was showing that there were at least multiple chicken victims who he
00:33:42.360
had got to engage in in acts gosh that's so screwed up but the problem with when i read all of this
00:33:50.580
is they keep collating normal teenage behavior with evil behavior even in the way that this stuff is
00:34:00.580
covered and it's just you know oh you drew people fighting you know and you're a young boy that must
00:34:07.980
mean you're a psychopath it's like no you know you wanted to have secret fights with other kids or you
00:34:14.120
wanted to yeah i mean how how did this founder ultimately get all this time alone in his room
00:34:18.860
to learn how to radicalize and then torture chickens it was because he was first bullied
00:34:27.560
and then kicked out of school and then treated like some kind of pariah you're absolutely right i mean
00:34:32.840
this didn't have to happen yeah he might have been a little weird always i i doubt that he wouldn't
00:34:39.500
be right but it didn't have to be like this i mean you see how easy it is to radicalize like you saw
00:34:44.660
the the people who are radicalized into the charlie kirk shooting and they all come from mormon
00:34:48.680
communities and then are exposed to alternate sexual identities and immediately their brain goes
00:34:53.420
crazy right like if if you do not vaccinate your kids against this and you cannot vaccinate somebody
00:34:59.100
is hate hate actually makes it easier for them to flip because the moment they engage with somebody
00:35:04.640
and they're like oh this person isn't evil like my parents said then they throw out every other
00:35:10.040
warning you gave about that group of people well and you also can't vaccinate your kids if you don't
00:35:15.700
vaccinate your kids meaning that if you just shelter them and are like well we'll just keep you away from
00:35:19.700
those people yeah it's not gonna well you'll be sure enough if the thing about the charlie kirk
00:35:24.680
shooting was tyler robinson is he didn't radicalize until he was what did you choose he when all this
00:35:30.980
happened like 19 or something yeah i mean well into his college career it seems when he started living
00:35:35.880
on his own yeah which is when i think a lot of parents think that you're safe right right like you've
00:35:41.860
left the nest i i have done my job it is all good now yeah and so this is just a conversation
00:35:48.340
that i think within the the circles of society that we plan on continuing to survive that like
00:35:54.300
really really needs to be had what's actually fascinating about it is i think it's also how
00:36:01.000
because you saw this with the tyler robinson shooting and everything like that is originally
00:36:06.300
he and his partner had at different times been when they killed charlie kirk they were left-wing
00:36:11.560
radicals but they had been interested in right-wing ideas beforehand like there's forum posts about them
00:36:17.400
complaining about white discrimination we know that the trans roommate of the shooter was really
00:36:21.900
into jordan peterson he even apparently was into that till the end you know and i wouldn't say
00:36:26.100
jordan peterson is radicalized but you know what i mean like they're involved in sort of these edgy
00:36:29.840
forums and i do think that some you know young people get involved in conservative circles because
00:36:38.440
they were raised by urban monoculture parents in the same way that we need to worry about our kids
00:36:42.380
joining a satanic sex cult they have to worry about their kids joining you know our sorts of
00:36:48.040
circles but the problem is is when they join and then they become gropers and this is what i think
00:36:52.480
you need to like recognize when you're when you're talking about any of this is that did you mean to
00:36:58.220
say gripers great but whatever they're called um sorry someone in the comments had noticed that
00:37:03.140
i mean it's it's obviously tradition for you is that the people who go in right-wing message boards
00:37:13.620
and are like yeah we actually should like hate the jews or you know we actually should you know hate gay
00:37:20.780
populations or we actually should you know by the way charlie kirk was not saying that stuff he was
00:37:26.360
saying the bible says that you shouldn't do this stuff he wasn't saying that you should hate these
00:37:30.320
people right and yet these people come into our spaces and you need to see them as being no
00:37:36.100
different than these people on the left they aren't really part of the wider ideological movement
00:37:40.960
like oh yeah we really should you know create you know like an all-white nation or something like
00:37:47.060
that right like these individuals are just our community sort of ticks like their community has
00:37:54.100
ticks and they can grow and radicalize people into becoming shooters like just what was it recently
00:37:59.240
there was a shooting at ice or something against not the ice officers this time but against the
00:38:03.840
migrants right and so it is our job to prevent that by pointing out how pathetic these individuals
00:38:10.300
are and there isn't really a coherent philosophy behind what they believe it's just that their parents
00:38:16.220
told them these things were naughty and society told them these things were naughty and now they think
00:38:20.960
they're being cool by it's philosophically vacant edulords desperate for attention it is the most thirsty
00:38:28.340
and sad thing you can ever do yeah and and this is something that we've promoted on other recent
00:38:35.300
podcasts is the topic of post-racism which i think we as a society need to move towards which is
00:38:40.480
the old definitions of racism and non-racism they don't really matter anymore everybody could say oh
00:38:46.320
you're racist or you're racist by the 90s definition it's like whatever like clearly the wokes have some new
00:38:51.360
definition of what racist is and clearly the right is like i don't even see why we're like focused on this
00:38:57.340
word when you know whatever you know the definition of fluid and i think that post-racist is a good
00:39:02.860
concept which is just to say you recognize that groups are different but like focusing on every
00:39:08.200
edgy way in which they're different is not a productive conversation for anyone and you're not
00:39:13.720
really sharing information that anyone who's interested in learning it does isn't already aware of
00:39:18.120
yeah you you just you know serve to well basically masturbate online like that's what you're doing
00:39:25.080
you're like look at how edgy i am look at how edgy i am look i know information i'm not supposed to
00:39:29.860
know uh which is one of the things that we always try to avoid doing on this podcast yeah when we when
00:39:35.220
we try to do something edgy it's because we're asking a question that other people haven't asked
00:39:38.680
you need to say what we're saying on this podcast is quite edgy for the conservative audience that we
00:39:43.580
have which is you need to normalize fetish porn um don't it's it's not necessarily fetish porn but i'd say
00:39:52.420
fetish arousal patterns like unusual arousal patterns just be like weird things are going to
00:39:57.280
turn you on that's totally normal that's not because you were abused as a kid we've actually
00:40:02.260
pointed out in a lot of our research there's not strong correlation between a lot of this
00:40:06.460
and abuse like like it's not that abuse doesn't affect sexuality at all it can like make you
00:40:11.080
more like hypersexual and stuff like that but it doesn't focus whether or not weird things are
00:40:15.940
going to turn you on appears to just be random genetics and that's that's really all there is to it
00:40:21.520
yeah yeah it's it's not about your choice you don't get that choice what you do get to choose
00:40:28.460
is is how you act on it and how you deal with it and yeah there there are productive ways to handle
00:40:33.500
this and i think you know the most productive way depends on the time and context and so i think that
00:40:38.760
many religions like historical religions methods for dealing with these things may have made sense in
00:40:44.220
those historical contexts but those coping mechanisms don't work in the modern age when there
00:40:51.000
are internet forums and discord servers and telegram groups etc where things go off the rails you know
00:40:59.620
it may work in like a small village with no telecommunications we don't live in that age
00:41:06.300
anymore but that is yeah god it's just terrifying i didn't know this was a thing i just can't believe
00:41:12.800
that people are you know up in arms about dubai's port-a-potty parties when this is they don't care
00:41:18.740
no kids going crazy yeah like meanwhile their kids are in a closet biting off their hamsters heads and
00:41:25.040
carving usernames into their skin and no one's talking about it i mean i guess you said that wired
00:41:30.840
had done a piece but katherine d when she mentioned it had said actually coverage on this is is just
00:41:35.940
pretty dismal very very few outlets are actually covering this and actually going into this and it's a
00:41:41.220
serious issue but i'm sure when they're not going to go away right wing extremism yeah i don't know
00:41:47.380
actually no she cited that there was one really conservative outlet that has actually done some
00:41:53.740
of the best reporting and that she was really loath to admit it that she never would admit it if the
00:41:58.620
reporting weren't really good so yeah there's that i i appreciate that i mean it's an anti-christian
00:42:05.260
group so yeah maybe that's actually why mainstream media isn't covering it as much just because
00:42:10.200
they're like yeah you know satanists whatever like trying to take over churches i guess they do
00:42:17.540
them yeah sure whatever but wow yikes thanks love you to death moan have a spectacular day
00:42:26.080
and don't join a satanist cult okay yeah you neither and let's maybe talk to our kids about this
00:42:32.740
well yeah just and again if you're like what do i do the pragmatist guide to sexuality the audiobook
00:42:39.520
the book we make them super cheap easily accessible and it is a good like honest sexuality book and
00:42:45.960
sexuality is the number one way that kids are radicalized yeah there you go anyway love you to death
00:42:52.800
by the way thank you so much for i mean since 2 a.m handling temperamental well you're pregnant you know
00:43:04.900
yeah but i feel guilty and grateful and they clearly feel super comforted by you and it was
00:43:14.640
so nice of you to go down and make sure they're okay and clean up well i'm glad i fooled them into
00:43:18.880
thinking i'm a nice guy you know the kids are like me i don't know they adore you this is a poor
00:43:27.100
judgment of character on their part i'll tell you what just because i'm their dad i'm okay you are a
00:43:32.260
safe place for them and they love it and they love getting i don't know i've read the news apparently i
00:43:37.180
beat them this is maybe more let's be honest they beat you more the best moment ever was when we had
00:43:43.480
that journalist over and we were showing them like how completely unafraid they were of us by
00:43:48.440
like going to like slap their face but then like stopping our hands right there and they like don't
00:43:52.460
react at all and i just think it's really funny and then they went to do the same thing to you later
00:43:58.940
and you like flinched big time because both of us are covered in bruises from them yeah they they're
00:44:04.520
they're attack children this is what they i there was the one video at the end of one of the videos
00:44:08.540
recently where the kids were coming after me and they all got together like a pack and they were
00:44:13.720
being very aggressive and i felt like i had like a pack of like wild animals chasing you it's like
00:44:18.260
that scene in jurassic park with the you know that little like the guy's like oh they're just little
00:44:22.620
tiny like velociraptors like not a problem but then they start flocking and he's screwed yeah as soon
00:44:30.820
as we get to kid number five i mean it's good to get to a point where you are genuinely scared
00:44:34.860
for yours oh absolutely well you are actually we've already reached that five in a few days
00:44:39.500
so oh we gotta have enough backlog right that you guys don't miss a day not a day yeah and who knows
00:44:47.720
how much i'm gonna hemorrhage out in this one so we gotta i lost it i lost i mean you always lose a
00:44:55.580
lot of blood when you do these but like with some c-sections you can lose a lot a lot of blood i shouldn't
00:45:02.260
but like you know oh it who knows i try to get out of the hospital you lost enough by cutting off
00:45:08.200
your finger i know man that cut the chickens out of my finger let's go you ready oh how did the
00:45:18.940
episode today do it went well i think people really enjoyed it we we today we ran the episode on survey
00:45:24.680
stats showing the differences between gen z male and female trump and harris voters and people found it
00:45:31.460
telling they found it interesting people had interesting things to say about their thoughts
00:45:35.140
about whether and when there will be a debt jubilee how gen z is going to fare through the collapse
00:45:42.520
and the disruption so it's just it's a very thought-provoking topic that i think is also very
00:45:50.600
much top of mind for so many people as we're clicking our way to the top of a roller coaster right now
00:45:56.840
waiting waiting waiting for what happened all right yeah