Based Camp - “Bite Off Your Hamster’s Head” Kids Do the Darndest Things

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about a

00:00:06.020 satanic cult that was started on minecraft by a 15 year old on minecraft yeah well yeah it grew 0.82

00:00:13.520 early on minecraft and roblox and people can hear about this and they can be like how bad can it be

00:00:21.440 specifically we're going to be going over the 764 group which is linked to other groups in the

00:00:27.040 calm network like the no lives matter movement the manic murder cult the sadistic manics cult

00:00:34.620 the satanic front oh goody and the mordroff division but anyway so you might be hearing

00:00:43.300 this and being like how bad how bad can this really be it's a bunch of children so i'll read

00:00:50.380 from an article in wired and then we'll get to the article itself but this is just sort of

00:00:53.680 preview of the type of shenanigans they get up to okay card and head and other members of this

00:00:59.700 group would lure young women into video chats and extort them into cutting themselves performing

00:01:05.080 live what's the word here i should use actual acts or harming themselves eve a girl from the midwest

00:01:13.800 when she was younger her her mother recounted her daughter being drawn into the exploitation network

00:01:19.260 through gore servers on discord where i'm gonna just going forwards in this whenever i'm talking

00:01:25.900 about people who are below certain age ranges we're just going to use the word chicken instead okay 0.58

00:01:32.760 okay that sounds good the word chicken instead okay i think i can handle that okay where chickens

00:01:39.140 would watch ultra violent content what 764 would do is they would go in and drop videos in these groups

00:01:45.940 and try to start pulling kids out of it and into that server she before i go further this is actually 1.00

00:01:51.780 really interesting before we get into what happened to this girl is is how they did it so they take gore 0.97

00:01:56.520 and other extreme content and they dump it into things like minecraft or roblox or children's discord

00:02:03.060 servers oh so like elsagate but on steroids and way worse yeah because it's very intentional well it's

00:02:09.680 different than that because with elsagate it's like oh this stuff is doing well with kids or anything

00:02:13.160 like that this is more like if you're at that edgy phase of like being young you know like let's say

00:02:18.660 you're like 10 or 11 or something like that yeah and you're like oh i'm not allowed to talk about this

00:02:23.980 sort of stuff um you know somebody dumps it and you're like oh this is where the edgy cool kids are

00:02:29.240 let's go to their town like let's go to their server um so the moderator of 764 server who went by

00:02:34.940 brad one of the aliases connected to kate and head quote-unquote groomed her daughter through false

00:02:39.700 shows of affection and convincing them to send unclosed photographs once they establish a degree

00:02:46.020 of trust kaden and the exhorters threatened to harm her elementary school aged brother or release the

00:02:53.680 explicit photographs on video calls they would urge her to unalive herself and convince her to carve

00:02:59.840 usernames of members of the server into her skin oh my gosh they talk later in the piece that i think 0.91

00:03:06.180 like half a decade or a decade later she still has some of these scars oh oh this is screwed 0.83

00:03:12.400 they pressured her to strangle her cat and even behead her hamster on camera wait and she did it 1.00

00:03:19.740 yes but biting its head off they said bite the head off or i'll f up your whole life a user named felix 0.77

00:03:26.560 told eve on video during the police investigation felix was an alias associated with the ip address linked 0.80

00:03:33.660 to kaden head eve did all of this from her bedroom closet things took a turn for the worse when she 1.00

00:03:41.100 cut herself too deeply one night in the bathtub and turned the waters red like one of her extorters had 1.00

00:03:46.940 requested they also swatted the family's house and began calling her school and telling the principal

00:03:51.660 she tried to murder animals prompting school officials to file a report to the police you just 0.99

00:03:57.340 don't realize how quickly it can happen eve's mother said according to her mother fbi did not reach out

00:04:02.220 to eve until december 2023 the stevenville police department was not aware of eve's victimization

00:04:07.760 by camden head blah blah blah blah until two years after his arrest eve's mother said fbi agents

00:04:13.860 contacted her the following months and asked for details blah blah blah blah sorry i i skip ahead a lot

00:04:20.120 when i'm reading pieces for stuff you guys don't care about an interview with camden head gave the

00:04:24.220 probation services confirmed the general details of eve's story bradley did admit to the group's use of the

00:04:29.940 servers to do that sort of extortion on individuals as red said they would do this for money and

00:04:35.380 sometimes just for power over individuals and caden head himself admitted urging users of the server to

00:04:42.080 carve his initials into their bodies as a form of homage and described his servers as a cult and

00:04:48.040 himself as a venerated leader last spring this guy caden head who we'll get to later 18 years old 15 when

00:04:56.060 he started the group was sentenced to jail for 80 years well okay at least there was that no no no

00:05:04.660 no there's there's unfortunately many other individuals in in in this group they were going

00:05:10.740 to be going over a series of the arrests but you typically don't know of what they've done until

00:05:14.580 after they've been arrested i can't believe so we're actually talking about this because i heard

00:05:18.460 catherine d mention it on a blocked and reported episode this morning like i'd never heard of it before

00:05:22.640 and i can't believe i've never heard of it because this is so grisly and horrible and it's something

00:05:28.120 to which so many of our kids are vulnerable one thing that's getting a lot of coverage recently is

00:05:32.960 porta potty parties in dubai have you heard of them no tell me oh yeah where they take women or 0.97

00:05:38.880 whatever to explain well no basically so yeah like really really wealthy men in dubai offer to pay like

00:05:45.180 instagram models and influencers who are really you know like attractive women between you know tens of 0.91

00:05:51.660 thousands to even over a hundred thousand dollars to come out to these really debauched parties where 1.00

00:05:57.020 they make them like eat poop and urinate in their mouths and things like that right but like these are

00:06:03.460 adult women who are making really bad judgments and you know they're signing ndas and they're making a lot 0.99

00:06:08.560 of money from it and then now there are cases of women unaliving themselves after this or even potentially

00:06:14.760 being having their lives non-consensually ended if they like refuse to comply during the parties

00:06:20.740 like i'm not saying these don't go wrong but this is like women getting themselves into it right 1.00

00:06:26.240 then but then they're getting a lot of coverage the fact that this is happening

00:06:30.220 to young children whose parents think that they're just having fun on roblox no but i think that that

00:06:37.620 actually undersells the scope of this yeah if you look at this there are as many if not more people in

00:06:45.060 the young perpetrator category i'm talking uh you know around the age of like let's say 15 to like

00:06:51.760 17 right then there are in the victim category so when you think about your kids and how they get

00:06:58.080 sucked into this you shouldn't just be thinking about your kids as potential victims right as potential

00:07:03.980 perpetrators yeah and like again like there are only so many rich men in dubai i mean there's a lot

00:07:08.640 right that are like they have like you know really really fetishes that they want to act on and are

00:07:14.080 willing to do it like but like there there's an endless number of screwed up adolescents and well 0.86

00:07:20.480 i think all adolescents are intrinsically screwed up yeah but now there's this this pipeline to like

00:07:25.700 incredibly evil acts well yeah but i think the pipeline is actually in a way created by the parents

00:07:31.800 and we'll get to that another thing i note here if you're like how is this stuff done at scale in the

00:07:36.900 way it's happening okay it is so later on the piece goes the abuse was systemic and even codified

00:07:41.860 in writing a user with the alias convict circulated a how-to guide for grooming potential victims

00:07:47.060 that identifies chickens with mental disorders and illnesses as the most susceptible to manipulation

00:07:52.880 well of course detailed instructions document how to feign affection and draw victims into influence

00:07:57.960 and then turn attention into negative enforcement and so self-doubt in order to bring the person to the

00:08:03.880 edge of a quote-unquote borderline episode the guide reads quote when they hit an episode

00:08:08.600 continue to break them down until they seem defeated in quote that is so sick oh god how are we

00:08:17.780 and i'm glad we're learning about this as parents yeah so i i will go into this as as we get into

00:08:24.600 specific examples and stuff like that i mean people can imagine all the examples end up being somewhat

00:08:29.260 samey if i'm gonna say if salacious but i think it's more interesting now we're at the beginning

00:08:35.520 and we're talking the hook to talk about the theory around all of this and what's happening in our

00:08:39.060 society okay a lot of the pieces on this will be like this chicken started to engage with online

00:08:47.660 erotic material at like x young age yeah and that material involved gore and that is how they were

00:08:55.340 brought into these communities the problem is is you know when we did our you know sexual survey for

00:09:02.520 our arousal pattern stuff um one generally if kids are on the internet they are engaging with erotic

00:09:10.560 material if they are at all counterculture right like oh not even that i mean i listened to a whole

00:09:16.160 podcast on just those those weird mobile ads for games that ultimately are like 100 about fetishes

00:09:24.440 like foot fetishes and vor and all these things like you'll you'll even see it if literally you're

00:09:29.920 just exposed to mobile game ads but go on yeah well no i point out with something like vor or something

00:09:35.160 in the book one of the statistics i always loved is the percent of the american population that is

00:09:39.440 aroused by vor that is people eating other people is larger than the population that lives in the state

00:09:46.020 of massachusetts which is like the fifth most populous state or something yeah to give you some

00:09:51.560 skin we're not talking about and if you're talking about any of these more you know sort of gore

00:09:56.900 related sadism related masochism related like any of the ones like we're not supposed to talk about

00:10:02.360 arousal categories if you put those all together you're probably looking at like 25 of the population

00:10:07.440 yeah and just to be clear and this is something that malcolm emphasizes again and again in the

00:10:12.020 pragmatist guide to sexuality just because something turns you on doesn't mean you morally endorse it

00:10:16.180 doesn't mean you practice it etc like a lot of these people clearly are going way too far with

00:10:20.920 these but just because you're turned on by this doesn't mean you should can or even are morally

00:10:28.440 okay with doing this okay but consider what's happening in these kids minds from the perspective

00:10:33.280 of the way that parents have normalized different forms of sexuality and arousal content okay so

00:10:39.140 they hit you know 15 16 whatever they start being aroused by things that they all don't have

00:10:46.700 another explanation for sure and they see stuff whether it is masochistic related content for many

00:10:54.280 of these young girls i would not be surprised given how common young girl masochists were when i was

00:10:59.240 you know like in high school and stuff like that yeah cutting was so common in my middle school and high

00:11:04.680 school yeah not not even just normal cutting but i'm talking like more direct mass because at one of the

00:11:10.180 pieces are like like he like cut the girl and like drank her blood or something like that and i'm like

00:11:15.780 bro i know so many people who are into like vampire stuff oh well yeah i mean at those ages but here's

00:11:22.820 the problem it's the media and it's the parents who teach the kids that when what the the kids don't

00:11:31.840 realize are fairly common arousal patterns right uh when we start to emerge in them they are the only the

00:11:39.220 only evoked set they have is if i am getting x impulses i must be an evil satanist right oh yeah

00:11:47.940 because no one has told them that a lot of people feel this way and it doesn't correlate with what

00:11:52.660 you morally condone or yeah it doesn't mean this is not in order to act on it yeah yeah you can you

00:11:57.880 can feel something that doesn't mean you have to act on it that doesn't mean that's not the way this

00:12:01.900 is contextualized for them you're totally right only evil people like engaging with this sort of stuff

00:12:08.640 yeah and because the kids are taught that at this very young age when they're trying to figure out

00:12:14.460 who am i right they don't know who they are yet yeah they say well if only evil people

00:12:23.060 find this stuff alluring then i am evil and then what they do is they begin to evil max

00:12:33.040 they begin to take all of these other things they associate with vague evilness so what you'll notice

00:12:39.580 about these groups is they don't often have like a coherent ideology they're not attempting

00:12:44.740 to achieve any specific end in the world they're described as nihilistic but nihilism is the wrong

00:12:51.700 way to put it because they're quite agentic for nihilists yeah they're not really nihilistic

00:12:57.820 they have an agenda right but what the agenda is is a collection of all of the ideas and motivations

00:13:08.080 and ideologies that society has told them whether it's nazi ideology or satanic worship like nazism

00:13:17.200 and satanic worship are actually pretty antithetical ideologies yeah you actually look right well no no you 1.00

00:13:25.320 see this with the type of like imbecile who's like a white nationalist and like a catholic 0.99

00:13:31.340 integralist which is like weirdly common among like the nick fuentes crowd because you know he's a 0.99

00:13:36.820 catholic integralist and some people think he's like white nationalistic and and these two things are

00:13:40.820 literally directly antithetical the the the the clucox clan was specifically interested in wiping out 0.96

00:13:48.460 blacks catholics and jews like catholics were just as bad as blacks to the clan 1.00

00:13:54.600 and yet they will identify as that and this other thing because in their progressive minds i actually 0.99

00:14:01.500 think that this is how people adopt these antithetical ideologies they grow up in progressive

00:14:05.840 urban monocultural households and they go what are the most evil groups i could associate with 1.00

00:14:10.640 oh let's go nazi kkk and you know some extremist religious christian group this very traditionalist

00:14:19.220 like catholic integralism um and it it forms a completely incoherent ideology or you look at

00:14:25.340 these kids who grew up very sort of in more normie families and stuff like that and it's okay what's

00:14:30.600 the most evil things that could happen i'm an evil person now i know i know that because my entire life

00:14:35.520 i've been told that people that want to engage with x or y are evil yeah or that feel good when exposed to

00:14:42.340 well some form of good aroused when they exposed to x or y yeah and when sometimes it's not even

00:14:48.520 arousal sometimes it's just like this is interesting to me like i was told that this would repel me

00:14:55.020 and yet i find it curious and interesting and i want to know more yeah and they they assume that's

00:15:00.900 conflated with them endorsing it somehow and it's not it's not but then they get into communities right

00:15:07.020 communities that collect content like this and they share content like this and they want to be

00:15:12.080 involved in those community status hierarchies because that's just sort of naturally what

00:15:16.900 happens to kids they say okay you know i'm in x or y group now this is a group of people who are like

00:15:24.280 me because my parents are not like me they have signaled people who like xyz they're they're evil

00:15:29.540 right right and so i am going to try to because because our brains our animal brain is like

00:15:37.000 okay who's your tribe they're like this is my tribe what does my tribe do it tries to get

00:15:41.600 chickens to bite their pets head off in in closets while filming it right now i need to do more than

00:15:48.140 that like that's how status is earned within these communities which many of the articles go into

00:15:53.200 and i need to do more than that i need to do more than that i need to do more than that and people can

00:15:57.460 be like well i monitor my kids online activity and it's like you can not fully monitor your kids online

00:16:03.520 activity once a kid is 15 if they are a smart kid yeah when they're an agentic kid which you should

00:16:10.540 hope your kids are yeah they will understand technology at a level that you don't you cannot

00:16:16.700 monitor a 15 year old's activity on the internet any more than your parents could have monitored you

00:16:22.420 at 15 on the internet you that's a great way of putting it yeah yeah yeah you simply know more

00:16:27.760 about how computers work than they do and they will simply know more about how ai and whatever the

00:16:32.560 computers of tomorrow work and you're like well i monitor their pc and i monitor their phone and i

00:16:39.180 monitor their their tablet and i'm like well i mean you do know that you can buy a cheap burner phone for

00:16:45.380 like 40 bucks right on like ebay or something that's a few years old and they can access any discord server

00:16:53.040 any online forum they don't need top-of-the-line hardware for this and then you're like oh shoot i hadn't

00:16:58.660 thought of that where would my kid hide a burner phone you don't know where they'd hide a burner

00:17:03.720 phone it could be at school the only way around seeing your kids radicalize is to and people can

00:17:12.800 be like well look in my generation this is one of the things and this is why you know many people on

00:17:16.220 our show or our comments know that we are like look i'm not saying pornography is like the best thing

00:17:22.000 ever but i am saying or even fetishize pornography or online things like that but i am saying that

00:17:28.900 building too much of a negative stigma around them within the current online social context

00:17:33.540 gives attackers a very easy pathway to your kids and keep in mind it's not just this type of content i

00:17:39.220 mean like what about furry content like if you tell them that these people are weird degenerates

00:17:44.160 and then they watch something like that you know now if you're adding like furry stuff furry stuff in here

00:17:49.520 you're not getting like like every everything that could potentially be derided by somebody that

00:17:54.780 turns somebody on you're getting to like 50 of the population now you know now they're like oh well

00:17:59.540 i'm a furry and furries are evil so i'm going to do a bunch of evil stuff and so the question is is how

00:18:04.980 do you how do you go over this stuff with your kids well one we offered the pragmatist guide to

00:18:09.600 sexuality for like 99 cents i think it is a fairly good book that does not glorify arousal or sexuality

00:18:17.540 but also doesn't put too much negative stigma i will say it has a slight negative stigma throughout

00:18:22.700 the book on it which is like humans are gross humans do gross things but like you're still a

00:18:28.860 human because it's i think a pretty good book for parents to go over with their kids in the same way

00:18:33.560 that like my parents would go over i don't know if your parents did with you like the the puberty

00:18:37.960 books that are supposed to teach you about like oh no we didn't do that what's gonna happen at puberty

00:18:44.760 that's what i'd probably go over with my kids because i think it explains so many aspects of

00:18:50.700 arousal and gender identity in a way that is better than the lgbtq plus community does from the 1.00

00:18:56.080 perspective of like some of the things we point out is that grouping humans into gay or straight as

00:19:02.420 categories basically makes no sense when you consider that the number of people who are aroused

00:19:09.400 predominantly by swapped genitals so by this what i mean is they will find sorry primary and secondary

00:19:16.200 sex characteristics primary sex characteristics of sexual characteristics used in the mating process

00:19:20.740 secondary sex characteristics are stuff like breasts or hand size or like broad shoulders 0.98

00:19:28.120 broad shoulders right the broadly feared right yeah so the percentage of people who are aroused by

00:19:36.560 one set of primary sex characteristics and the other set of secondary sex characteristics

00:19:41.020 is larger than the population that is aroused by or i think it's like around the size of the

00:19:46.200 population i can't remember it's big to the point where if you're talking about the community that

00:19:50.740 arise by matching yet opposite sex characteristics you're like oh this isn't like a particularly in terms

00:19:57.900 of unusual arousal patterns particularly pronounced enough to define it as a totally new type of

00:20:03.560 humanity or something and this helps when you're going through all this with kids because then

00:20:07.300 they're like oh when somebody comes up and tries to feed them this stuff they're like it reminds me

00:20:11.600 of when i was a kid and one of the things my mom did with me that really helped me not get into drug

00:20:18.580 culture as a kid is when i was younger she would smoke marijuana with me and so it was it was a mom 1.00

00:20:24.660 thing and therefore a not rebellious thing yeah i thought it was like an old lady thing like people would

00:20:30.300 come and they'd be like and it made it much easier for me to turn them down without feeling like i'm

00:20:35.440 being excluded where they would come and they'd be like hey do you want marijuana and i was like i can

00:20:40.160 always get marijuana from my mom like why do i want it from you your marijuana could be laced with

00:20:45.460 something yeah and this immediately one sort of frames to them i'm actually way cooler than you and

00:20:52.140 in a way cooler environment and household and everything like that that's true and two i'm doing it in a

00:20:57.900 subversive way like well you don't know what that's been cut with like how how reliable is

00:21:02.340 your dealer how did you source them you know now all of a sudden you're coming at this from a totally

00:21:06.340 different oh no that's mom stuff and i want to do that for sexuality with our kids actually the

00:21:11.540 intro to the pragmatist guide to sexuality is we pray that this book ruins or something like that

00:21:15.920 we're sorry for it was like that it's dedicated to our children for whom we've just ruined

00:21:19.620 sexuality yeah but yeah anyway i'm gonna keep going here but anything you want to say before i go

00:21:25.420 further no i i very much agree with what you say and do think that in that sense we're setting up

00:21:30.900 our kids pretty well to be prepared for this though i like all this sort of like chat room medicalization

00:21:37.420 stuff i think i need to put more thought into that there's just so little you can do so little you can

00:21:46.380 do you really need to give them a good friend network work really hard to make sure they have good

00:21:51.400 friends online friends because that's where their best friends are likely to be which is why we focus

00:21:55.540 on networking why we create you know the discord server we have and everything like that because

00:21:59.940 i want environments where i would feel safe like i know on the base camp discord server nobody's

00:22:05.540 getting grouped nobody's getting radicalized like it's just too diverse in the number of perspectives

00:22:10.500 that are that are within it and so it's a great environment for my kids as they get older

00:22:14.400 right and and i think that what i would you know put upon people within the discord server especially

00:22:21.420 it's when young people are in the server you know be very supportive and make them feel

00:22:25.140 important because that's what people young people especially want from online communities

00:22:29.860 yeah because there is sort of the opposite type of online communities like i think

00:22:33.480 okay within limits the effective altruism slash rationalist community for teens has been really good like

00:22:39.820 they've jump-started the careers raised money sometimes it doesn't go so well but like there

00:22:44.400 are some instances of of teens entering tight-knit communities that start online that lead them to

00:22:50.500 accelerate their maturation and education and empowerment so it's not like it's all bad and

00:22:59.100 one just has to be careful i guess i mean i don't think ea communities are safe anymore 0.92

00:23:03.620 yeah but they used to be i mean like we met so many young people who are like

00:23:07.500 incredibly mature incredibly entrepreneurial lizians literally came out of the ea community i know

00:23:13.340 i know it's just we've also met many young people who have been really nicely shaped by it and the

00:23:18.880 connections i made within it so that was in the last generation yeah i don't think it's not anymore

00:23:24.160 but i'm just saying that there have been historical examples of online i mean i think the base camp is

00:23:28.720 the new safe ea community hopefully like that's that's what we've been becoming that's what the

00:23:34.260 pronatalist movements have been becoming because if you go to the normal one it's all like ai

00:23:38.720 doomerism i have no reason to live anymore yeah it's that book tour but anyway the fbi and other

00:23:46.340 foreign law enforcement agencies are investigating 764 for both are you trying to find a youtube safe

00:23:53.100 way to put this yeah chicken sexual assault offenses and terrorism because of connections to the order

00:24:04.480 of nine angels a satanist cult from great britain that has been ever present in the online edgelord

00:24:11.600 and militant neo-nazi circles for over a past decade oh no what's because nazi memes and accelerationist

00:24:17.580 propaganda glorifying homicidal members of white supremacist groups like antinmorph division

00:24:23.480 frequently appear in the extortion groups telegram shots well many users appear unfamiliar with

00:24:31.000 zero nine a dogma the sex symbols text and aesthetic have been widely co-opted within the group for shock

00:24:38.240 value the practice of urging victims to injure themselves with cut signs also bears a striking

00:24:43.900 resemblance to oh nine a rituals i'm gonna get into oh nine a but i think you see the media is

00:24:48.940 misunderstanding what's going on here they say they're getting into this for quote unquote shock

00:24:54.260 value and i don't think that's it i think they found one thing interesting and now they assume all

00:24:58.980 things that they've coded negative in their mind must be co-coded as interesting um

00:25:03.720 so to continue with a different piece here because i'm skipping to a new piece that's discussing this

00:25:09.140 group that they're affiliated with a u.s soldier has been accused of plotting an attack on his own

00:25:14.860 unit by sending information to an obscure nazi satanist organization called the order of nine

00:25:19.480 angels but who are they founded in the uk in the 1970s the ona is an increasing focus for law

00:25:26.880 enforcement and appears as an influence in several recent uk terrorism prosecutions relating to extreme

00:25:33.220 right-wing stuff and again here of course just whenever they don't like whenever they see nazis

00:25:38.340 even though nazis are far closer to modern socialists than anything right-wing hey they

00:25:42.340 even hate the jews they're national socialists and a lot of people are like they weren't socialists in

00:25:48.800 the way that they're socialists we talk about today and i'm like no they literally were socialists in

00:25:53.920 every economic way you can use the word socialist come on guys we have another video where we go into

00:25:59.420 that i might put just another one like just how socialists were the national socialist it is

00:26:03.720 very socialist and very anti-semitic like the national socialists today and they divided people

00:26:09.280 based on rights and ethnicity and sexual orientation just like progressives today they're like oh but

00:26:13.980 we do it with different ethnicities and it's like it doesn't matter man it is the dividing humans based

00:26:19.540 on that stuff so anyway i i consider these groups to be left-wing whatever your politics are you want

00:26:23.880 to call it but anyway continue so the group lionizes the nazi era and dates its calendar from the birth of

00:26:29.140 adolf hitler um but its supernatural belief system goes beyond anything normally associated with right-wing

00:26:34.620 extremism so note here again i'm saying they're just trying to evil max they start their calendar

00:26:39.560 with adolf hitler's birth state right in the short term the goal is to undermine what they characterize

00:26:46.660 as decent judeo-christian society so note here i love it that they say that they're an extreme right-wing

00:26:52.300 group and they are an explicitly anti-christian group with an emphasis on placed real world attacks

00:26:58.460 the aim being a new imperial civilization based on a cruel mixture of social darwinism satanism and

00:27:06.540 fascism adherents are encouraged to secretly infiltrate government organizations such as the

00:27:11.820 military or christian churches in order to destabilize them from within those who progress

00:27:17.020 through the ona's hierarchical ranks are required to undertake various tasks including forming their own

00:27:22.280 small groups to prove their leadership abilities with the result that a decentralized network of

00:27:27.480 associated bodies exists throughout various countries there is a total rejection of essex and

00:27:32.480 some key texts even discuss ritual sacrifice both symbolic and actual such groups reject attempts at

00:27:38.440 gaining popular support on the extreme right because they're anti-christian they're not right-wing at

00:27:43.860 all anyway whether through demonstrations or campaigns and are instead committed to an ideology of

00:27:49.600 so-called accelerationism which predicts societal collapse and racial warfare seeking to speed the

00:27:55.100 process up through acts of violence well really what they're often trying to do is increase speeds of

00:27:59.260 stuff like immigration and stuff like that because they think it'll lead to social warfare which they

00:28:02.480 can take advantage of so they support pretty much only left-wing causes but okay let's the ideology is

00:28:08.740 promoted in several online spaces and that is where it blended with ideologies by ona giving the latter

00:28:15.080 an increased influence and the further edges of the online community the durham teen neo-nazi became

00:28:21.260 quote-unquote the living dead somebody said about him this last year a 16 year old british boy

00:28:25.160 became the youngest person to be convinced of planning a terror attack in the uk and he was influenced

00:28:29.400 by this goodness gracious so we can talk about the 15 year old who started all this yeah wikipedia

00:28:37.220 he was bullied during his high school years a classmate called him an easy target in his early teens

00:28:44.880 he suffered multiple psychological breakdowns and was isolated he told probation officers that he stopped

00:28:50.200 caring about anything and after dropping out of school at 15 withdrew to his room he found the

00:28:55.220 online network and named it after his zip code of his hometown so that's that's where it is

00:28:59.260 okay caterhan had noticeably been disruptive as a student at the age of 10 he was fascinated by

00:29:07.600 graphic online content depicting murder and torture he assisted principal alerted authorities about him

00:29:14.560 leading to an investigation into terrorist threats despite disciplinary measures he continued to use

00:29:19.860 school computers to draw images of school bangings pow-pows like our kid got in trouble for they say oh

00:29:27.540 somebody he drew a picture of a dead person but you see we don't stigmatize that when our kid does that

00:29:33.360 we don't stigmatize which means it never becomes alluring to him it is boring parent stuff well yeah

00:29:39.500 we're not like that's an evil thing that means that you must be an evil person yeah i actually talked with

00:29:46.840 the school about this they're like well i mean look at all these raising rights of violence in schools

00:29:50.540 and stuff like this why do you want to normalize this for your kid and i go those rates have have

00:29:55.300 occurred in correlation with the resent with the rate that you have not normalized this behavior in

00:30:01.480 young boys he can't talk about guns he got in trouble for talking about a nuke in school he can't draw

00:30:06.820 people who are are dead he can't draw people with a gun he can't draw people with a knife i was like

00:30:11.940 when can he draw like roman soldiers in a battle or something like that it like how old does he have

00:30:18.060 to be and they're like well i don't think even in high school you'd be allowed to do that today

00:30:21.440 and i'm like would you know how often men think about rome

00:30:24.940 you know how many times a day you know you you are suppressing completely normal thoughts in his head

00:30:31.720 which leads to radicalization and and when we talk about like just how far this goes

00:30:37.680 jason castro who is a judge who is going over him said of him in court there is something horribly

00:30:44.440 wrong with you horribly where it's like they're looking at stuff that they haven't benchlined they

00:30:51.920 don't know the percent of young boys who find this type of thing interesting and they just assume

00:30:57.320 because it's not normalized in their communities and keep in mind how much you chill out as an adult

00:31:01.460 okay as a young kid there were many times where i was like well who am i like am i evil because of x

00:31:10.120 like am i supposed to lean into that because and i think it's a really really toxic thing to teach young

00:31:15.540 people agree totally and you can see here the nihilism that is pervasive in many young kids makes

00:31:23.500 this easier but nihilism in youth has always been a thing like people were like come on yeah young kids

00:31:30.500 in the 90s weren't nihilistic i was like okay what you you literally went from like the goth who were

00:31:36.800 incredibly nihilistic the emos who were like a different brand of nihilism yeah the vampire kids

00:31:44.920 who were yet a different brand of nihilism okay different how they're you know one is good and 1.00

00:31:51.480 emos are horrible they're you know they're posers emos suck my golf balls all right all right think of 1.00

00:31:58.620 it this way a golf believes that deep down the world is totally fucked up but an emo thinks that 1.00

00:32:03.980 deep down they are totally fucked up that's not much of a difference that's a huge difference okay 1.00

00:32:09.400 okay look emos are more prone to suicide this bitch man but goths are more prone to be depressed that 1.00

00:32:15.340 so many people commit suicide goths darkness is nihilistic whereas emos is cynical wait i thought 1.00

00:32:21.520 we were cynical whatever it doesn't matter no see you're nihilistic oh yeah you're right yeah this

00:32:26.960 is just so normal you're going through it with adolescence it's it's gonna happen and then on top

00:32:33.720 of that i mean you also point out like you know a lot of this is based on people sort of realizing

00:32:38.220 they're they're aroused by stuff your arousal levels especially i think you're an adolescent male

00:32:43.340 are at their peak during these years they are out of control so even people who are adults were like oh

00:32:50.820 yeah i mean i guess i could kind of see no man like it must be so much stronger for what they're

00:32:55.340 experiencing as well yeah if you have going into other choice pieces from this this is about another

00:33:01.780 user in 2021 according to court records alameda posted a photograph of a bound and gag half-dressed

00:33:11.340 chicken with a caption life's always been s-h-i-t still i see past through rose-colored lenses

00:33:19.500 so sick um and yeah they were talking about how on the other guy's phone they found 20 images of his

00:33:30.720 his online moniker carved into people that they had carved into themselves and in this other one

00:33:36.800 they're talking about this guy was showing that there were at least multiple chicken victims who he

00:33:42.360 had got to engage in in acts gosh that's so screwed up but the problem with when i read all of this

00:33:50.580 is they keep collating normal teenage behavior with evil behavior even in the way that this stuff is

00:34:00.580 covered and it's just you know oh you drew people fighting you know and you're a young boy that must

00:34:07.980 mean you're a psychopath it's like no you know you wanted to have secret fights with other kids or you

00:34:14.120 wanted to yeah i mean how how did this founder ultimately get all this time alone in his room 0.97

00:34:18.860 to learn how to radicalize and then torture chickens it was because he was first bullied

00:34:27.560 and then kicked out of school and then treated like some kind of pariah you're absolutely right i mean

00:34:32.840 this didn't have to happen yeah he might have been a little weird always i i doubt that he wouldn't

00:34:39.500 be right but it didn't have to be like this i mean you see how easy it is to radicalize like you saw

00:34:44.660 the the people who are radicalized into the charlie kirk shooting and they all come from mormon

00:34:48.680 communities and then are exposed to alternate sexual identities and immediately their brain goes

00:34:53.420 crazy right like if if you do not vaccinate your kids against this and you cannot vaccinate somebody

00:34:59.100 is hate hate actually makes it easier for them to flip because the moment they engage with somebody

00:35:04.640 and they're like oh this person isn't evil like my parents said then they throw out every other

00:35:10.040 warning you gave about that group of people well and you also can't vaccinate your kids if you don't

00:35:15.700 vaccinate your kids meaning that if you just shelter them and are like well we'll just keep you away from 1.00

00:35:19.700 those people yeah it's not gonna well you'll be sure enough if the thing about the charlie kirk

00:35:24.680 shooting was tyler robinson is he didn't radicalize until he was what did you choose he when all this

00:35:30.980 happened like 19 or something yeah i mean well into his college career it seems when he started living

00:35:35.880 on his own yeah which is when i think a lot of parents think that you're safe right right like you've

00:35:41.860 left the nest i i have done my job it is all good now yeah and so this is just a conversation

00:35:48.340 that i think within the the circles of society that we plan on continuing to survive that like

00:35:54.300 really really needs to be had what's actually fascinating about it is i think it's also how

00:36:01.000 because you saw this with the tyler robinson shooting and everything like that is originally

00:36:06.300 he and his partner had at different times been when they killed charlie kirk they were left-wing

00:36:11.560 radicals but they had been interested in right-wing ideas beforehand like there's forum posts about them

00:36:17.400 complaining about white discrimination we know that the trans roommate of the shooter was really

00:36:21.900 into jordan peterson he even apparently was into that till the end you know and i wouldn't say

00:36:26.100 jordan peterson is radicalized but you know what i mean like they're involved in sort of these edgy

00:36:29.840 forums and i do think that some you know young people get involved in conservative circles because

00:36:38.440 they were raised by urban monoculture parents in the same way that we need to worry about our kids

00:36:42.380 joining a satanic sex cult they have to worry about their kids joining you know our sorts of

00:36:48.040 circles but the problem is is when they join and then they become gropers and this is what i think 0.79

00:36:52.480 you need to like recognize when you're when you're talking about any of this is that did you mean to

00:36:58.220 say gripers great but whatever they're called um sorry someone in the comments had noticed that

00:37:03.140 i mean it's it's obviously tradition for you is that the people who go in right-wing message boards 0.96

00:37:13.620 and are like yeah we actually should like hate the jews or you know we actually should you know hate gay 0.90

00:37:20.780 populations or we actually should you know by the way charlie kirk was not saying that stuff he was 0.96

00:37:26.360 saying the bible says that you shouldn't do this stuff he wasn't saying that you should hate these

00:37:30.320 people right and yet these people come into our spaces and you need to see them as being no

00:37:36.100 different than these people on the left they aren't really part of the wider ideological movement

00:37:40.960 like oh yeah we really should you know create you know like an all-white nation or something like

00:37:47.060 that right like these individuals are just our community sort of ticks like their community has

00:37:54.100 ticks and they can grow and radicalize people into becoming shooters like just what was it recently

00:37:59.240 there was a shooting at ice or something against not the ice officers this time but against the 0.96

00:38:03.840 migrants right and so it is our job to prevent that by pointing out how pathetic these individuals 1.00

00:38:10.300 are and there isn't really a coherent philosophy behind what they believe it's just that their parents 0.86

00:38:16.220 told them these things were naughty and society told them these things were naughty and now they think

00:38:20.960 they're being cool by it's philosophically vacant edulords desperate for attention it is the most thirsty

00:38:28.340 and sad thing you can ever do yeah and and this is something that we've promoted on other recent

00:38:35.300 podcasts is the topic of post-racism which i think we as a society need to move towards which is

00:38:40.480 the old definitions of racism and non-racism they don't really matter anymore everybody could say oh

00:38:46.320 you're racist or you're racist by the 90s definition it's like whatever like clearly the wokes have some new

00:38:51.360 definition of what racist is and clearly the right is like i don't even see why we're like focused on this

00:38:57.340 word when you know whatever you know the definition of fluid and i think that post-racist is a good

00:39:02.860 concept which is just to say you recognize that groups are different but like focusing on every

00:39:08.200 edgy way in which they're different is not a productive conversation for anyone and you're not

00:39:13.720 really sharing information that anyone who's interested in learning it does isn't already aware of 0.96

00:39:18.120 yeah you you just you know serve to well basically masturbate online like that's what you're doing 0.57

00:39:25.080 you're like look at how edgy i am look at how edgy i am look i know information i'm not supposed to 0.98

00:39:29.860 know uh which is one of the things that we always try to avoid doing on this podcast yeah when we when

00:39:35.220 we try to do something edgy it's because we're asking a question that other people haven't asked

00:39:38.680 you need to say what we're saying on this podcast is quite edgy for the conservative audience that we

00:39:43.580 have which is you need to normalize fetish porn um don't it's it's not necessarily fetish porn but i'd say

00:39:52.420 fetish arousal patterns like unusual arousal patterns just be like weird things are going to

00:39:57.280 turn you on that's totally normal that's not because you were abused as a kid we've actually

00:40:02.260 pointed out in a lot of our research there's not strong correlation between a lot of this

00:40:06.460 and abuse like like it's not that abuse doesn't affect sexuality at all it can like make you

00:40:11.080 more like hypersexual and stuff like that but it doesn't focus whether or not weird things are

00:40:15.940 going to turn you on appears to just be random genetics and that's that's really all there is to it

00:40:21.520 yeah yeah it's it's not about your choice you don't get that choice what you do get to choose

00:40:28.460 is is how you act on it and how you deal with it and yeah there there are productive ways to handle

00:40:33.500 this and i think you know the most productive way depends on the time and context and so i think that

00:40:38.760 many religions like historical religions methods for dealing with these things may have made sense in

00:40:44.220 those historical contexts but those coping mechanisms don't work in the modern age when there

00:40:51.000 are internet forums and discord servers and telegram groups etc where things go off the rails you know

00:40:59.620 it may work in like a small village with no telecommunications we don't live in that age

00:41:06.300 anymore but that is yeah god it's just terrifying i didn't know this was a thing i just can't believe

00:41:12.800 that people are you know up in arms about dubai's port-a-potty parties when this is they don't care

00:41:18.740 no kids going crazy yeah like meanwhile their kids are in a closet biting off their hamsters heads and

00:41:25.040 carving usernames into their skin and no one's talking about it i mean i guess you said that wired

00:41:30.840 had done a piece but katherine d when she mentioned it had said actually coverage on this is is just

00:41:35.940 pretty dismal very very few outlets are actually covering this and actually going into this and it's a

00:41:41.220 serious issue but i'm sure when they're not going to go away right wing extremism yeah i don't know

00:41:47.380 actually no she cited that there was one really conservative outlet that has actually done some

00:41:53.740 of the best reporting and that she was really loath to admit it that she never would admit it if the

00:41:58.620 reporting weren't really good so yeah there's that i i appreciate that i mean it's an anti-christian

00:42:05.260 group so yeah maybe that's actually why mainstream media isn't covering it as much just because

00:42:10.200 they're like yeah you know satanists whatever like trying to take over churches i guess they do

00:42:17.540 them yeah sure whatever but wow yikes thanks love you to death moan have a spectacular day

00:42:26.080 and don't join a satanist cult okay yeah you neither and let's maybe talk to our kids about this

00:42:32.740 well yeah just and again if you're like what do i do the pragmatist guide to sexuality the audiobook

00:42:39.520 the book we make them super cheap easily accessible and it is a good like honest sexuality book and

00:42:45.960 sexuality is the number one way that kids are radicalized yeah there you go anyway love you to death

00:42:51.960 love you too

00:42:52.800 by the way thank you so much for i mean since 2 a.m handling temperamental well you're pregnant you know

00:43:04.900 yeah but i feel guilty and grateful and they clearly feel super comforted by you and it was

00:43:14.640 so nice of you to go down and make sure they're okay and clean up well i'm glad i fooled them into

00:43:18.880 thinking i'm a nice guy you know the kids are like me i don't know they adore you this is a poor

00:43:27.100 judgment of character on their part i'll tell you what just because i'm their dad i'm okay you are a

00:43:32.260 safe place for them and they love it and they love getting i don't know i've read the news apparently i

00:43:37.180 beat them this is maybe more let's be honest they beat you more the best moment ever was when we had

00:43:43.480 that journalist over and we were showing them like how completely unafraid they were of us by

00:43:48.440 like going to like slap their face but then like stopping our hands right there and they like don't

00:43:52.460 react at all and i just think it's really funny and then they went to do the same thing to you later

00:43:58.940 and you like flinched big time because both of us are covered in bruises from them yeah they they're

00:44:04.520 they're attack children this is what they i there was the one video at the end of one of the videos

00:44:08.540 recently where the kids were coming after me and they all got together like a pack and they were

00:44:13.720 being very aggressive and i felt like i had like a pack of like wild animals chasing you it's like

00:44:18.260 that scene in jurassic park with the you know that little like the guy's like oh they're just little

00:44:22.620 tiny like velociraptors like not a problem but then they start flocking and he's screwed yeah as soon

00:44:30.820 as we get to kid number five i mean it's good to get to a point where you are genuinely scared

00:44:34.860 for yours oh absolutely well you are actually we've already reached that five in a few days

00:44:39.500 so oh we gotta have enough backlog right that you guys don't miss a day not a day yeah and who knows

00:44:47.720 how much i'm gonna hemorrhage out in this one so we gotta i lost it i lost i mean you always lose a

00:44:55.580 lot of blood when you do these but like with some c-sections you can lose a lot a lot of blood i shouldn't

00:45:02.260 but like you know oh it who knows i try to get out of the hospital you lost enough by cutting off

00:45:08.200 your finger i know man that cut the chickens out of my finger let's go you ready oh how did the

00:45:18.940 episode today do it went well i think people really enjoyed it we we today we ran the episode on survey

00:45:24.680 stats showing the differences between gen z male and female trump and harris voters and people found it

00:45:31.460 telling they found it interesting people had interesting things to say about their thoughts

00:45:35.140 about whether and when there will be a debt jubilee how gen z is going to fare through the collapse

00:45:42.520 and the disruption so it's just it's a very thought-provoking topic that i think is also very

00:45:50.600 much top of mind for so many people as we're clicking our way to the top of a roller coaster right now

00:45:56.840 waiting waiting waiting for what happened all right yeah

00:46:01.400 okay

00:46:10.460 okay

00:46:16.460 I wanna go!

00:46:18.460 I got it!

00:46:20.460 I got to go back there!

00:46:22.460 Here!

00:46:24.460 Ah!

00:46:26.460 Here!

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Based Camp - October 10, 2025

“Bite Off Your Hamster’s Head” Kids Do the Darndest Things

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