Based Camp - China Jails Overly Sad & Rich Influencers - Should We？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Malcolm. I'm excited to be with you today because we are going to talk about China's

00:00:04.940 crackdown. And it's not exactly what you would expect. It's a crackdown on sad people.

00:00:11.200 Sad people go to jail. Directly to jail. Sad people. This is outrageous. Where are the armed

00:00:17.160 men who come in to take the sad people away? Where are they? This kind of behavior is never

00:00:22.380 tolerating. China. They put you in jail right away. No trial, no nothing. Right to jail. You're 0.99

00:00:29.140 playing music too loud. Right to jail. Right away. It's also a crackdown on crazy rich Asians, 1.00

00:00:34.440 which are my favorite. So yes, sad people, rich people. They're basically like, 0.99

00:00:39.200 live the middle class. Like that is the aspiration we want on the internet. You will be moderate.

00:00:46.080 But not just that, because we're also going to go on, you know, them disappearing gay people, 0.99

00:00:50.300 them disappearing trans people, literally everything that they are shoving down the West 1.00

00:00:57.200 right now. Like everything that they are filling TikTok with, their bots are hammering YouTube

00:01:02.380 with more apparently. Oh yeah. Yeah. But this, this is, oh no, no. YouTube still very badly

00:01:09.400 affected by Chinese bots. This is what everything that, you know, we keep saying, this is what

00:01:16.040 they're hitting us with within their own country. It's controlled. Their own citizens can't even

00:01:20.180 voluntarily produce this kind of content. And most people are familiar with this, with TikTok,

00:01:24.120 how like in the United States, TikTok is just sort of this, this, this toilet vortex of debauchery

00:01:32.420 and distraction. And in China, it's like educational content. Yeah. But the way that Laowai 0.94

00:01:38.460 talked about this was, he said, it's, it's a form of informational asymmetric warfare, you know,

00:01:44.360 within their own country, all of this stuff is banned. And I think the question that we're going to be

00:01:49.660 coming to throughout this episode is, is this actually bad? Like the way that China is implementing 1.00

00:01:57.300 this? Yeah. I know that we have like this idea around free speech maxing in the United States,

00:02:03.380 but when other powers are actively and provably using these platforms to, so social discord was in our

00:02:11.260 country, you know, do we need to address this or is there benefit in addressing it the way that China's

00:02:18.140 addressing it? And what are the downsides to addressing it in the way that China's addressing

00:02:20.860 it? So get started Simone. Yeah. So first off, what really got me and what I, where I first heard

00:02:28.660 about this was the conspicuous consumption takedown where all of a sudden these really treasured,

00:02:35.940 famous Chinese people, just like not known to Americans had their accounts taken down. So notable

00:02:43.720 people were weighing Hong Guanching. Yes. I butchered that 2.3 million followers. Yeah. This guy was

00:02:50.920 known for being China's Kim Kardashian. I'm sending you a picture of him looking fabulous in his

00:02:57.780 outfits. I just, I love his look. I'm kind of devastated that he's been taken down because

00:03:03.280 this means that I can't easily consume his content anymore. Those outfits look ridiculous. He looks like 0.71

00:03:09.180 he's out of some crazy futuristic anime. He, his whole thing, aside from being China's Kim Kardashian 0.55

00:03:14.800 was that he became really famous for his claims of never leaving home with less than 1.4 million worth

00:03:21.080 of clothing and jewelry, as well as owning seven high value properties reportedly worth over 110 million

00:03:27.380 US dollars. They were all located within this exclusive Beijing compound. He, he is, is really known for the

00:03:34.260 lavish outfits. Great examples that I sent to you. Valuable jadeite jewelry, frequent visits to hot

00:03:39.680 couture, jewelry dealers accompanied by his security team, which makes sense. Cause if you don't leave

00:03:46.060 the house, it's like, you're famous for not leaving the house in that amount of money. Like you're screwed. 0.98

00:03:51.980 You're, you're, you're, you're asking for it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think what a lot of people don't 1.00

00:03:55.580 realize is you build this up, building up fame like that, you know, 2.3 million followers. Like I'd be

00:04:00.560 devastated if our followers just got wiped one day, right? Like this is something you worked for

00:04:04.980 years building up. Well, and this is, he's someone who like literally, I mean, this, this wasn't how

00:04:10.360 he got his wealth. His wealth was from a family business in coal mining, mining that was later

00:04:14.960 invested into jadeite jewelry, which of course is why he has a lot of jadeite jewelry. And he's also

00:04:20.000 launched his own luxury boutique, but he's been very explicit about like, no, I want to be famous.

00:04:24.560 I want to be an influencer and China just pulled the rug away. There's other people, 0.91

00:04:30.820 by the way, I don't know if you saw this one, they were sister Abalone. No, no. The one who

00:04:36.120 got disappeared for giving money to poor people. I don't know this one. Yeah. So there was a guy

00:04:42.340 who was sort of doing like what Mr. Beast was doing, but in China, um, where he would, you know,

00:04:48.000 ask for people who had recently bought groceries, you know, how much did you spend on that? And then

00:04:53.300 he'd pay them back for it and get sort of their life story. And he had built up, I think it was

00:04:57.780 millions of followers. And he was taking, he was, he's redistributing wealth though. This is part of

00:05:02.460 the, but Xi Jinping declared that there are no poor people in China. And he was very pro the state.

00:05:11.720 And the thing that they finally disappeared him over, and I mean, disappeared, they didn't just

00:05:15.100 take him off social media. You now can't search his name or anything like that. Right.

00:05:18.920 He's likely in a detainment facility somewhere. He had somebody come on his channel during

00:05:24.200 a live stream and ask him if he shot Xi Jinping with a dictator. And he immediately cut the

00:05:30.240 video. He then went on a rant about how crazy this guy was. And the government should look 0.85

00:05:35.480 him up and arrest him and he's trying to get the public. Exactly. Disappears the next day.

00:05:40.480 Oh, oh. It's getting there.

00:05:43.400 I was going to say, do you think Xi is a criminal?

00:05:47.480 This kind of person is in a serious way.

00:05:51.880 This kind of person is in a serious way. I have to put him in a serious way.

00:05:55.560 Are you crazy? Are you crazy? Are you crazy? 1.00

00:06:00.200 My God, this kind of person is so scary. 0.99

00:06:04.120 This didn't just happen to him. This happened to another guy who just

00:06:34.040 disappeared. This other guy had like, I think half a million followers and he was bantering

00:06:38.840 with some kid, you know, like an actual child, right? Like they were doing like video game banter.

00:06:45.320 And at one point he's like, who do you think you are? And the kid's like, well, my dad will beat you up.

00:06:49.400 And then the guy was like, who's your dad? And the kid said, Xi Jinping.

00:06:53.000 And then the guy just like stops talking and like, it gets this like scared look at the camera.

00:06:57.160 And the next day he disappears as well. His dad was obviously not Xi Jinping. He made a joke,

00:07:01.560 but you can't make a joke about Xi Jinping and the kid was a kid and didn't realize that.

00:07:08.440 And so, you know, you're, you're, you're the, the level of these people aren't just

00:07:13.800 disappearing from the internet, but they're often actually disappearing and unsearchable after this

00:07:18.600 happens. That is terrifying. But continue. Yeah. I'm, I, yeah, I was just, I was thinking

00:07:25.240 in this case about just these, these conspicuous consumption.

00:07:28.360 Were you thinking about the Apple guy? The guy who, you know, they're putting his face on

00:07:31.720 Apple phones across stores around the world. No.

00:07:35.400 Okay. Well, we'll get to that later because this is another instance.

00:07:37.880 I'm no, I'm sad about sister Avaloni.

00:07:41.080 Sister Avaloni.

00:07:42.360 She's, she's, she's known for, she's actually an older woman. So she was really, I was like,

00:07:47.000 oh, this is so cool. Like an influential, like fashionable old woman. She had over 2 million 1.00

00:07:52.040 followers on, on Doyen. And, and she had this lavish Macau estate that had private gardens and

00:08:00.200 courtyards and a golf course. And she wore lots of Jade jewelry and she would document her, her

00:08:05.480 lifestyle eating really expensive food. Hence sister Avaloni. There's also Mr. Bo who was all

00:08:11.080 about like the fancy clothes and he, a lot of dogs in his videos and he, you know, wear his dogs and

00:08:16.680 fancy purses. And this is, it's so interesting to me because in the United States and probably

00:08:24.440 other places like Western countries, this like almost fetishization of crazy rich Asians who just 0.61

00:08:31.960 have insane conspicuous consumption is so high. And even some of the new most famous, just not because

00:08:40.440 they're Asian, but just because they're rich influencers do happen to be Asian. Oh God, 0.80

00:08:45.240 why am I blanking on her name? Becca Bloom. Okay. So there's, there's this new influencer. They're

00:08:52.360 basically on this year in 2025 came on the scene in the United States. She's actually,

00:08:56.760 she's a Silicon Valley background. Like she, she, her, I think her mansion is in Atherton, 0.77

00:09:00.840 Malcolm. Oh wow. Yeah. So like Silicon Valley parents, like in tech and she herself is,

00:09:07.080 I think working in finance, probably investing, but she suddenly became this beloved influencer 0.96

00:09:13.240 specifically just for being wealthy. And like, she shows off her jewelry. She just got married. So 0.99

00:09:18.600 she had this amazing, lavish marriage and she'll show off the insane, like desserts that she serves 1.00

00:09:25.000 to her dog that are more than like what we would be able to afford for like a very, very special holiday

00:09:32.280 meal for our entire family, extended family, that kind of thing. And, and she's here and it's just so crazy

00:09:39.000 to me, this contrast of like this, this celebration of it in the United States and it often centering

00:09:45.240 around Asian influencers and then them just being apparently quite trounced in China. But what's makes 0.93

00:09:52.280 this so much more interesting is also, as you pointed out, the lying flat takedown. And then the

00:09:58.440 New York Times recently covered this, which is basically a very new two month campaign. And it turns out that

00:10:04.440 these campaigns are related. Did you know that the takedown of the depressing people and of the rich

00:10:10.600 people it's part of, so both of them have been executed by the cyberspace administration of China,

00:10:17.960 which I love that they have one of those that continue. Okay. So how are they connected?

00:10:23.080 It's, it's just literally the internet police. So I think the American, one of it has to be the

00:10:28.440 internet police for obvious reasons. And if you're too young to know that reference, then I'm sad for you.

00:10:33.640 Yeah. Right. The, the, we'll, we'll backtrace them, but in China, they actually do like,

00:10:38.840 no, that's the thing. They have the internet police and they will backtrace you. I love it so much.

00:10:43.880 But yeah, so they're both part of this larger common prosperity initiative and it's a broad set

00:10:50.120 of measures. It's, it's policy and it's like literal, like fiscal economic government,

00:10:57.880 legislative policy and social initiatives that's measured at reducing inequality, improving social

00:11:05.320 services and fostering balanced development across regions and population groups. So literally this is,

00:11:10.760 it is about sort of forcing people into moderation and some middle ground. So you can't work too little,

00:11:18.600 but you can't work too much. You can't be too rich, but you can't be too poor. And what we,

00:11:22.600 what we're talking about here with the taking down the depressing social media influencers, but also

00:11:27.560 the Kim Kardashian hyper-consumption social media influencers is the, the, so just the social

00:11:35.080 elements. So they're, they're trying to promote what they call spiritual prosperity as well as material

00:11:41.080 prosperity, where they're there. They have policies aimed at social stability and national morale and

00:11:46.440 positive cultural values, which is why they're trying to fight like cynicism, but also the

00:11:53.400 hyper-consumerism. And they believe that, that there are also additional like things that they're

00:12:00.120 taking out is entertainment, celebrity culture. So I think that might help to explain why they're,

00:12:05.480 they're Mr. Beast like person was taken out because they literally don't want like entertainment culture.

00:12:12.360 That is another one of them. So they're trying to get rid of consumerism, pessimism,

00:12:16.600 entertainment culture, and celebrity culture. And gay stuff. 0.99

00:12:20.520 By the way. Yeah. So, so is Russia though. I mean, like everyone wants to get rid of gay stuff. 1.00

00:12:24.520 I don't know why. Right. So in, in 2023, there were massive shutdowns of the Beijing LGBT center, 0.93

00:12:30.520 the PLGA China, the university queer societies were abruptly deleted in 2021. And again in 2023,

00:12:38.680 and then the CAC ordered the closure of WeChat profiles of Beijing, Lana Solana,

00:12:43.560 lesbian networking, and Wudahona, Wudahung, youth LGBT plus group, and trans,

00:12:51.480 trans story, transgender support networks, as well as others like the flying cat brotherhood. 0.64

00:12:57.000 That sounds amazing. What, see, these are travesties. All these, all these amazing influencers 0.95

00:13:01.960 and groups that just sound.

00:13:03.080 But these are, what's funny is either the people who like on TikTok and everything like that think

00:13:07.320 China is their friend. Like they're like, oh, China, what a great place to, to, to be gay, 1.00

00:13:11.960 to be queer, to. Yeah, they're nationalistic. They're just, unfortunately, they're not welcome. 0.98

00:13:17.560 Yeah. There was a movie, a queer themed movie filmed called Together, which was digitally edited

00:13:24.120 to turn a same-sex couple into a heterosexual couple. And then they tried to like share the

00:13:28.840 movie secretly online, unedited parts of it. And I think there was a rest over that. One student

00:13:34.600 organizer, a trans activist, had her WeChat history scrubbed. And I actually have a list of,

00:13:40.840 I think, erases here. Oh yeah. I mean, if you're talking about small things, because it's not just

00:13:45.080 the stuff that you're talking about. It's also like criticizing celebrities can get you arrested.

00:13:48.120 Criticizing celebrities.

00:13:50.040 Yeah. Wudahung Shu in September, 2025 had an account with 50,000 followers and they were,

00:13:57.320 they had all their, their posts erased for hyping a celebrity's makeup, e.g. Vegas star or drama post.

00:14:04.040 Let's say, I think that's part of the celebrity culture crackdown though.

00:14:07.800 It's just they don't want celebrity. October, 2025, a post that ended up getting reposted 600 times,

00:14:15.160 got a user removed because it was a quote unquote personal update, but the personal update involved

00:14:22.120 financial hardship due to traffic fines. Oh dear. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's little things like this

00:14:29.080 that are getting people removed. And I think it's, it's bigger things too though. And I'd love to read

00:14:33.960 a little bit from the New York times article about the lying flat style. Okay. Go for it.

00:14:38.440 Because this is one of the bigger trends that we've covered more on the podcast. And I've really

00:14:43.960 lying flat is the movement where people protest through not working or engaging within the Chinese

00:14:50.040 economy and just trying to earn what they need to, to survive. And I had come to view this as

00:14:54.760 something that was like insurmountable, like that there would be no, this was the one way you could

00:14:58.920 actually resist the Chinese government. And so I'm really interested to see how it plays out for the

00:15:05.320 Chinese government to resist this. Cause like the whole point with lying flat is like, well, you can't 0.67

00:15:10.040 stop me from this, you know? Yeah. But they can, you'd be forgot. Apparently. Yeah. And so let's,

00:15:16.120 that's why I wanted to dig into this. I mean, they're basically saying you cannot get out of

00:15:20.200 the rat race. The rat race is why you exist. Get back on that fricking treadmill. Chinese person, 1.00

00:15:25.160 get back on the treadmill. The New York Times, it just released this. We're recording this on

00:15:29.400 Friday. Maybe we'll run it Monday or Tuesday, but cheer up or else China cracks down on the haters

00:15:34.360 and cynics. As China struggles with economic discontent, internet sensors are silencing those

00:15:39.320 who voice doubts about work, marriage, or simply sigh too loudly online, which is to like,

00:15:46.440 can you imagine this happening in America where like 90% of social, social media is either

00:15:52.280 conspicuous hyper-consumption, like all the restock videos, all the like holiday decoration videos,

00:15:57.960 all of the, you know, clothing, whatever. And then the, I hate the government. I hate my life. I hate,

00:16:05.720 I'm depressed. I'm disabled videos. Like what would our social media even be? I,

00:16:11.080 that's what I kind of wonder what's left anyway. China sensors are moving to stamp out more than

00:16:15.640 just political dissent online. Now they're targeting the public mood itself, punishing bloggers and

00:16:20.680 influencers whose weary posts are resonating widely in a country where optimism is fraying.

00:16:25.960 The authorities have punished two bloggers who advocated for a life of less work and less pressure,

00:16:30.360 an influencer who said that it made financial sense not to marry and have children,

00:16:34.520 and a commentator known for bluntly observing that Western countries in terms of quality.

00:16:39.400 She said it makes financial sense to not marry and have kids and they're getting rid of her.

00:16:44.520 They're there. You know, I think this is what people imagine if we had total power in America,

00:16:48.600 what social media would be like. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I mean, I think like we tow the line

00:16:54.200 so heavily on cultural sovereignty. We're more like, yeah, don't, don't get married and have kids.

00:16:59.080 You're clearly not up for it. What do you see? Somebody is driving into our neighbor's yard

00:17:05.480 without appearing to slow down. I mean, they're slowing down a little. What, what are they doing?

00:17:10.360 Well, there, I saw a car in front of his yard, like right in front of their house earlier,

00:17:14.120 and he was standing out that our neighbor was standing out in front of his phone. So I think

00:17:17.720 there's somebody who they know. Intentional. Yeah. These supposed cynics and skeptics, two of whom had

00:17:23.880 tens of millions of followers, have had their accounts suspended or banned in recent weeks as

00:17:28.680 China's internet regulator conducts new cleanup of Chinese social media. The two-month campaign

00:17:34.120 launched by the Cyberspace Administration of China, aka the internet police, as far as I'm concerned,

00:17:40.280 in late September is aimed at purging content that incites excessively pessimistic sentiment

00:17:45.960 and panic or promotes defeatist ideas such as hard work is useless, according to a notice from the

00:17:51.560 agency. Which a lot of Chinese people, you can see our episode on this, believe.

00:17:56.040 In reality, we all experience fatigue and anxiety as a result of work and life,

00:17:59.880 but these real emotions deserve respect and should not be deliberately amplified for traffic.

00:18:04.120 The internet is not a dumping ground for negativity, Chinese state broadcaster CCTV said in an editorial

00:18:10.200 about the campaign. I love that. They're like, stop whining, basically. Grow up. Around the world,

00:18:19.240 officials debate how to keep social media from stoking outrage and polarization that could spill

00:18:23.320 over into real-world violence or harm. The internet regulator in China has framed its campaign in

00:18:28.360 similar terms, expressing concern about messages that stoke divisions based on gender or other group

00:18:33.080 identities, live-streaming content that glorifies self-harm and violence.

00:18:36.840 So basically, they'd outlaw the manosphere and feminist stuff, I would assume?

00:18:41.000 Oh yeah, no, yeah. Oh God, yeah. But that's the other like 5%, right? So if 90% is whining and

00:18:46.040 hyper-consumerism, then like 5% is manosphere, womanosphere, queerosphere, that's gone too. 0.85

00:18:52.440 What is left? Well, I would sacrifice the manosphere if the feminist side of things also 1.00

00:19:00.360 disappeared at the same time. I feel like, yeah, maybe the manosphere would sacrifice itself just to

00:19:04.680 get them to shut up. Yes. Yes. I just like, shut up with this gender nonsense. 1.00

00:19:10.360 Yeah, seriously. But China's crackdown carries a distinctly political undercurrent. It demonstrates 0.96

00:19:15.480 the concern among its leadership about the spread of malaise as the country grapples with economic

00:19:19.960 uncertainty, a volatile rivalry with the United States, and growing disenchantment among young

00:19:23.880 people. In recent years, some young people have opted out of the rat race in favor of the minimal

00:19:28.600 life of lying flat or given up on goals altogether and letting it rot, which apparently is another one of the

00:19:34.600 phrases that's come out. The accounts of two bloggers known for promoting a minimal lying flat

00:19:38.600 lifestyle were blocked from adding followers late last month. And that's an interesting,

00:19:42.520 sophisticated way of doing it. Just like capping your upside.

00:19:46.760 Yeah, no more followers. I mean, I love that because you as a follower might not realize something

00:19:52.280 has happened. I mean, obviously the blogger knows something has happened and they've got to

00:19:57.000 like re-decide how they're going to structure their lives because that's their income stream and

00:20:03.000 everything, right? But the followers themselves wouldn't immediately realize that they had been

00:20:09.160 blocked or disappeared. And this is framed as obviously very dystopian, but the same thing

00:20:15.480 essentially happened on pre-Elon Musk Twitter. People were essentially shadow banned and they couldn't

00:20:21.320 add more followers. Actually, you know, a lot of people right now are complaining. People who have

00:20:25.400 smaller follower counts like us are arguing on X that like basically with the algorithm, they have no

00:20:31.160 choice. Like they have no choice or option, ability to grow. So as much as it's like, oh, China evil, 0.97

00:20:37.720 China bad, kind of like this happens everywhere. And sometimes it's not even a political thing. 0.51

00:20:42.040 Wait, so why are they saying this on X? Are they just saying like the way the algorithm works?

00:20:46.200 They're just saying like basically with current algorithm updates, small fries have no chance of

00:20:50.280 growing. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. So, I mean, just to say, I'm just trying to add some perspective.

00:20:56.440 Anyway, Beijing is concerned that such pessimism doesn't just discourage citizens from

00:21:00.680 being productive members of society could run into criticism of the ruling communist party.

00:21:05.080 The root cause is deteriorating economic and social perspectives for many Chinese,

00:21:09.400 which has led to what a country would be in a natural social response. The expression of anxiety

00:21:14.520 and misgiving said David Bandersky, the director of the China Media Project, a research group.

00:21:19.480 Such sentiment, the leadership worries might be infectious. Mr. Bandersky said,

00:21:23.880 local governments and social media platforms have jumped into action to carry out the regulators orders.

00:21:29.000 In the city of Zhengdu in central China, officials said two social media account

00:21:33.400 users were investigated for portraying the city in an unflattering light.

00:21:38.040 And I just imagine you were today, like imagine if like for the San Francisco poo maps or something.

00:21:43.000 Yeah, we gotta take you down. 0.96

00:21:44.360 LA sucks and traffic is terrible, you know. 0.96

00:21:46.520 Yeah, you can't post about that anymore. 0.98

00:21:48.760 Yeah.

00:21:49.160 You're not allowed into LA anymore.

00:21:50.920 You're banned, you're shadow banned from LA.

00:21:52.680 You're not being such a downer about how terrible LA is.

00:21:55.560 No, and before we go further, I mean, for me, this is why I do not think it's a good idea,

00:22:00.040 even if broadly it's a, it's a good thing to try to monitor social media because you're like, well,

00:22:06.840 on the whole, it's probably doing more good than harm by removing these unrealistic lifestyles,

00:22:13.080 by removing a lot of the downer nihilist posts, a lot of them.

00:22:17.080 Well, yeah, because we've seen people whose lives have been ruined by Doomer influencers.

00:22:21.800 Right. But I mean, I think that at the end of the day, what's going to happen is China is going to 0.97

00:22:29.560 suffer from this because they are not building up the same memetic and social immunity to this

00:22:35.720 that we're building up in the West.

00:22:37.320 Agreed.

00:22:38.040 And I think also that a degree of criticism is necessary. I mean, the article also points to

00:22:42.920 an internet regulator in Xi'an, another place in China where they're, they're taking down people

00:22:48.600 for spreading false information about housing prices and real estate regulations. But are they

00:22:53.720 really spreading false information? Like sometimes it's probably accurate information. Yeah.

00:22:58.520 You can't say the economy's bad. You know, that's what happens when you begin to give governments

00:23:04.360 these sorts of powers. Yeah.

00:23:05.880 And the way that they're using it at the local level for like inter-community fights

00:23:09.880 is a really big thing. And they're even using this against like hardline nationalists.

00:23:15.240 That's that's, and that's what really gets me is so there to go back to this, this common

00:23:20.920 prosperity initiative, key policies and areas of, of the actual, like the more legislative economic

00:23:27.160 things is education reform. So they're cracking down on for-profit private tutoring services.

00:23:32.360 They're trying to focus more on income distribution through tax policy and social insurance.

00:23:37.080 They're trying to fix housing policy by making housing more accessible to low and middle income.

00:23:43.400 How a families they're trying to improve healthcare. They're trying to revitalize rural areas. They're,

00:23:48.120 they're trying to fix labor and tech regulations to address exploitative labor conditions. 0.83

00:23:54.040 Yeah.

00:23:54.520 They're, they're doing environmental things. So I'm just like, there are a lot of really good

00:23:57.400 things that are happening, but then what's happening is like, for example, on Weibo,

00:24:03.480 more than 1,200 accounts were, were suspended for spreading rumors about the economy and government

00:24:08.600 welfare programs. But as you pointed out, like with the CCP, there are a lot of adverse incentives

00:24:14.040 that would prevent information about corruption from making it to the higher echelons of the CCP.

00:24:20.200 And I kind of see social media as a way to circumvent that. Like if people can surface

00:24:25.480 fraud that is taking place with social welfare programs, for example, or with housing policy,

00:24:30.440 then they can address it and actually execute on this broad and actually like good sounding common

00:24:37.560 prosperity initiative. But if instead these cities have this mandate and, and right apparently to take

00:24:44.440 down these, this false information, then they won't even be able to execute on the common prosperity

00:24:50.520 initiative. So I feel like in some ways it's like to, to your point, right? It's well-intentioned,

00:24:56.040 but it's not going to work the way that they want it to. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's, it's kind of scary.

00:25:02.680 Well, no, but I think that the, the, so one, it ends up being used, and this is one of the problems

00:25:09.320 in these big China bureaucratic things. You know, I have friends and I guess I should talk about the

00:25:14.440 fate of China more broadly as a result of this, where they, you know, listeners have reached out

00:25:21.320 and they've been like, have you changed your position on China? Like, do you think it has a shot now?

00:25:25.160 Like, you know, they're like, I know you see China as this giant bureaucracy, but is not the U S full

00:25:31.480 of a lot of bureaucracies that are breaking down and incompetent. And my, you know, through, through

00:25:39.000 its authoritarian nature, China might be able to fix something about where the world is heading or 0.79

00:25:44.120 what's going to happen. And unfortunately the broad answer is extremely unlikely unless AI somehow acts

00:25:52.360 as a solution for them. So I'll explain to you why it's unlikely. If you studied the history of China,

00:25:57.400 which I'm very interested in as a subject, I spent a lot of time studying China really only gained its

00:26:04.200 current economic dynamism because it began to loosen state control because it began to allow for private,

00:26:13.160 not really ownership, but 99 year leases that nobody really believed that they were going to get rid of.

00:26:17.560 We know nobody believed they would get rid of it because the houses aren't priced differently based

00:26:21.080 on how long into the lease they are. Um, which implies that there is a broad social understanding

00:26:26.360 that they would be renewed. But the point here being is China, you know, basically makes private

00:26:32.360 land ownership legal and in regions, China makes private companies legal China, you know, loosens a lot

00:26:38.680 of stuff. And this brings in outside investment. And this creates a degree of dynamism that led China to

00:26:44.200 become a world power while other quote unquote communist countries, whether it be, you know,

00:26:49.880 North Korea or, you know, the Soviet union never really were able to be. Now, if you look at the

00:26:57.000 direction that China is going right now, especially if you look at the hypotheses that people have around

00:27:03.000 how China could fix its current scenario, the hypotheses are all, well, what China needs to do to fix things

00:27:13.480 is it needs to reconsolidate and it needs to exercise its centralized authority. But the problem is, is the

00:27:21.880 more China moves in that direction, the less it will have the only reason it has economic relevance on a global

00:27:28.520 stage at all. And this is why we are seeing that economic relevance contract. Not only that,

00:27:35.000 but it doesn't even really have a role in sort of the global supply chain going forward.

00:27:39.480 Well, isn't it trying? It tried to create that role and it tried to create alternate networks

00:27:44.120 through the Belt and Road Initiative. Why do you discount that?

00:27:48.120 Well, so the Belt and Road Initiative is not what people think it is, at least in terms of a function.

00:27:53.880 The Belt and Road Initiative has become a way for Chinese elites to smuggle money out of the country. 0.92

00:27:59.720 It's not actually building up goodwill in the regions where it's operating.

00:28:04.840 And they they're doing things like, oh, we'll get this region in a debt trap and then we'll get this

00:28:09.480 port and then we'll get access to X. And it's like, yeah, you can have contracts for all that until

00:28:14.600 the next revolution. And you just, quote unquote, owned a port in Africa and you don't have that port

00:28:19.720 anymore or not not meaningfully. Right. And so a lot of this stuff is very much like things that

00:28:25.560 the U.S. tried in the past and learned why you don't do it. Like the Belt and Road Initiative is

00:28:31.480 very similar to the U.S. period of sort of like U.S. colonialism, I guess you'd call it when the U.S.

00:28:36.520 decided to go out and be sort of the world police. China is like, yes, but we're doing it nefarious 0.90

00:28:41.480 style. That will certainly work. And it's like, no, it won't. It won't work. So you haven't seen,

00:28:47.960 if you look at the results of the Belt and Road Initiative, a lot of actual meaningful goodwill

00:28:53.800 out of like outside of super poor like African countries, that's goodwill doesn't actually

00:28:59.080 matter except like in terms of U.N. votes. If you look at where China needs goodwill, where does it

00:29:03.560 need goodwill? Right. Like for where it could actually earn it. OK, it's probably not going to win over

00:29:09.240 Japan. Right. But it could win over Vietnam and the Philippines. And oh, all these countries hate China

00:29:16.440 now more than they ever have. Like that was that was the wins it could have had was the Belt and Road

00:29:22.760 that it didn't get. So for that reason, I see one, China has basically a worse relationship with 1.00

00:29:30.120 every one of the players that were up for grabs, I'd say five or six years ago. Now they're no longer

00:29:36.200 really up for grabs to the huge, huge problem for China is and they're no longer up for grabs. No,

00:29:43.160 they went from being up for grabs to not up for grabs during the period of Belt and Road investment.

00:29:49.320 OK, if Belt and Road was working at all, that wouldn't have happened. Right. It doesn't matter

00:29:55.560 if poor, irrelevant country that's about to have another revolution in Africa is your friend. 0.97

00:30:00.200 You needed to get Vietnam and the Philippines on your side and you effing failed. And keep in mind, 0.93

00:30:06.680 China, Vietnam kicked your butt in a war not that long ago. OK, they kicked our butt too, but they're not 0.99

00:30:15.480 our neighbors. All right. You actually need them to like you. Next problem. Their relationship with India 1.00

00:30:23.960 has gotten worse. Other major neighbor like every one of their neighbors effing hates them now. Like

00:30:29.800 Russia is this close to like war with China. And the only reason we're not seeing more conflict

00:30:36.520 there is because Russia is dependent on them because of the Ukraine sanctions. But China has overplayed

00:30:41.720 its hand with them. They tried to do like a one currency thing and ended up screwing over Russia.

00:30:46.680 You don't need to get the specifics of it. It's just that China not doing great there. And then you've

00:30:52.280 got the problem of how big the bureaucracy is. So if you look at like the United States,

00:30:57.800 inefficiency of the American bureaucracy, whether it's like the Navy or whether it's anything else that

00:31:03.160 we have, China is that times a thousand. All right. And you can say they're putting

00:31:09.480 X mini billion into their new AI infrastructure. And it's like that infrastructure is going to be

00:31:15.960 China's equivalent of managed by like our army, but like a hundred times less efficient.

00:31:24.520 And we are getting that with Microsoft and Oracle and Google and Facebook all competing against each

00:31:29.880 other, which means that what we're going to produce is going to be astronomically more efficient

00:31:34.280 in the AI space, right? Like in investment dollars, why would you go into China with AI stuff when you

00:31:40.040 can just go through the rest of you and even worry about it being taken from you?

00:31:45.160 I mean, what I'm curious about though, is sort of what you think about the likely efficacy or not

00:31:51.480 of this larger social media effort. And I mean, one, I just want to point out like China's not alone in

00:31:57.400 doing this. We've already covered how Russia has banned in both mainstream media and on social media,

00:32:03.080 not only gay stuff like gay, lesbian, bi, whatever, but also anything antinatalist, anything that, that,

00:32:08.840 that promotes not having kids like Vietnam also has a lot of censorship and it also floods social media 1.00

00:32:16.200 with positive pro state messaging in Turkey, Iran, and Egypt. There are shutdowns there. There are arrests.

00:32:22.200 There are legal actions against influencers who spread messages that they don't think are helpful for the

00:32:26.520 state. India, Brazil, and others have platform bans. So they'll just have legal takedown demands over

00:32:32.200 any sort of like harmful social content. And even EU countries, they have regulation over what they call

00:32:38.840 unfair market practices and also misinformation, which of course could be real information that they

00:32:44.360 just don't like. And some various authoritarian or even semi-authoritarian. Right. And, and, and my

00:32:52.200 thought on this is the exact thought I, I, I mentioned before, I think this will be very effective

00:32:57.880 for a country like China in the short run. I think it's going to be very damaging to them in the long 1.00

00:33:02.920 run. And the EU, like, so basically in all these countries, you, you, you think like this is a short-term

00:33:10.360 fix. It's going to cause long-term damage. Yes. As I have said, memes and cultures spread like viruses.

00:33:17.400 Um, right. You'll have a movement like the feminist movement, or you'll have a movement like, you know, 1.00

00:33:22.760 the trans phenomenon or something like that. Sometimes like, do, do I think that trans is

00:33:28.200 ever really going to spread within China? No, I think that that's going to be handled in the West

00:33:32.120 before it had the time to really permeate China. But when I'm thinking of other phenomenon, and by the

00:33:38.520 way, we could do a whole other episode on this, but like, it's, it's very interesting to see the

00:33:41.640 people that are still clinging to like trans normalization when like even blue sky is like, 0.93

00:33:45.240 no, we're not banning like transphobes anymore. Like we don't like even blue sky is like, 1.00

00:33:51.000 yeah, you guys can screech at us that they're killing you, but we don't care anymore. Like

00:33:54.920 you guys clearly just abused your power. Um, so, but the problem is, is that the people who fall for

00:34:02.280 this stuff, like Western nihilism and stuff like that, they are taken out of the cultural pool and

00:34:06.920 they're taken out of the gene pool of the next generation. And then like, let's, let's just let this

00:34:11.800 happen naturally. But I mean, I think even the nihilists who are suppressed in China,

00:34:16.680 they're still, they, there will still be people who lie flat. Yeah, there will still be, but I'm,

00:34:21.880 I'm sort of viewing this the same way I view COVID, right? Like with COVID, we now know that the masks

00:34:27.080 did nothing. They lowered short-term spread, but overall, because through lowering short-term spread,

00:34:33.800 they increased the number of non-immune people who are around. The death rates over time in these

00:34:39.240 regions were broadly the same. This we've seen in studies of European death rates and in regions

00:34:44.360 that were very strictly controlled around masks and regions that were not. And also in comparison

00:34:49.000 between states that were strictly controlled and the states that were not strictly controlled

00:34:53.160 within the United States. There just aren't actually in the United States, the states that were

00:34:56.680 less strictly controlled had lower overall death rates, but you could say that they're more rural.

00:35:01.400 And I'm like, okay, great. Yeah. Like that makes sense. But the larger point here being

00:35:05.080 is that it didn't seem to work. And I think that what we're looking here are masks, but for your

00:35:11.000 brain and your eyes and your ears. And this is why I'm so against, you know, in that episode that, you

00:35:16.360 know, we ran today, right. Where I was like, you cannot beat this by restricting the social media your

00:35:23.080 children have access to. You need to immunize them to these types of ideas. And that can only be done

00:35:29.960 through information. It can, it would be better for Chinese officials to, as, as they do, right.

00:35:37.320 They know how to flood the zone with content and comments to just shame the celebrity worship,

00:35:43.800 the doomerism, the consumerism. That's what you would do if you were the CCP is just make it

00:35:49.800 embarrassing rather than censoring. Make it embarrassing, produce state content about how

00:35:54.760 it's embarrassing, making fun of them. You know, I feel like you also need to give something more

00:35:59.160 though. And I guess what I couldn't find from the research I did on this is, okay, what is China

00:36:04.920 replacing this with? Because, okay, I can't be like minimalist and stoic. I also can't be hyper

00:36:12.200 consumerist and like extra vitalistic. I have to be like, what, nothing? Like, I can't be gay. I can't be 0.95

00:36:20.440 a celebrity fan. Like, what can I be? I guess I don't know.

00:36:24.360 You can be a beige mom. That's what they want is beige moms. They want to actually that the 1.00

00:36:31.160 stereotype of beige moms is hyper consumeristic. So I know, but what they mean is, is middle. They, 1.00

00:36:36.680 what they want, and this is important. It's not consumerism that they're against. It's

00:36:41.880 wealthy consumerism. They want everyone in the middle-class rat race. 1.00

00:36:46.760 That's what they're trying to do is build blinders to anything other than the middle-class rat race. 0.95

00:36:52.600 Well, they're also trying to build policy mechanisms, economic, educational, et cetera,

00:36:57.480 that also make that possible. They're trying to redistribute income to create a thick middle-class. 0.99

00:37:02.360 I mean, I like the idea. Yeah. I mean, it's always interesting to watch China because they have the

00:37:06.920 ability to do things in a more fast and blunt way.

00:37:09.640 And they always F it up. That's the problem. I mean, like you said, big lumbering

00:37:15.560 bureaucracy doesn't help. Every time they do something right,

00:37:19.400 and this is what I was talking about when I'm talking about putting these sorts of restrictions

00:37:22.440 in, the restrictions get put in and then one district is using them in a battle against

00:37:27.160 another district because you're trying to move up the communist hierarchy and that's how that works.

00:37:31.720 Right? You end up turning the guns that you built against each other, right? But it's worse

00:37:38.680 than that because you look at something like China's bullet train system, like that was genuinely

00:37:43.080 working. It was great. It was amazing. And you can watch the videos on YouTube about how it's

00:37:47.320 going bankrupt and very dangerous to the country now because it's great. And then they decided,

00:37:53.960 well, then let's just like double, triple down on this. And they built a bunch of routes to areas

00:37:58.920 that nobody uses. And now the whole thing doesn't work anymore. And economically speaking,

00:38:05.160 and we had this problem in the United States. I don't know if you, if you know about them,

00:38:08.360 but we actually had it was the way the airlines work because we initially tried to mandate the

00:38:13.240 way airlines worked. It's a, it's a confusing history. I'm not going to get into it, but basically,

00:38:17.400 uh, we then released the mandates and we moved to what's called a hub and spoke model.

00:38:22.760 Um, and the cost of flying in the United States went down like 15 X or something.

00:38:26.280 Yeah. Cause we let market forces essentially determine it, but that's the problem was these

00:38:32.600 centralized systems. And we are at a pivotal turning point in human history with AI and China 0.52

00:38:38.280 can't get around this just by building bigger data centers. And you can be like, oh no, of course they

00:38:44.760 could look at all the money they have. The problem is, is that that money is on a 20 X or 30 X dilution

00:38:51.400 spree. Right. Because of the bureaucracy. And then in the United States, everybody knows AI is

00:38:56.600 a future. And so every rich person wants to be involved in whatever AI thing is going to work.

00:39:01.000 And so they're pouring money and pouring money. And people are like, how is Amazon spending like,

00:39:06.120 like, I don't know, like five times the amount of money on building out their AI platform than

00:39:10.600 they spent on like AWS in the last X many years. That's like their primary earning platform.

00:39:16.520 Um, and it's like, because everybody knows it's a future. So every dollar in the world that from

00:39:21.160 like the ultra wealthy is just pouring into it, like an infinite money spree.

00:39:26.360 Right. And except to China, because nobody wants to be involved in a state controlled

00:39:31.320 infrastructure project. Well, nobody is smart.

00:39:33.960 No, all I can say then is I I'm glad that we still in America have Becca Bloom. I think

00:39:39.080 they're making a second crazy rich Asians, thank God. And we're just going to have to persist in this 1.00

00:39:44.440 fantasy that China never cracked down on them. And that at least we have our American crazy rich Asians, 0.97

00:39:50.200 because I love they do rich best. I feel like no one does rich better. Like rich Russians just 1.00

00:39:56.120 still have houses that are super ugly on the outside and then like crazy on the inside. No, 0.76

00:39:59.880 I want everything crazy. No rich Russians. They have a lot of like castles and stuff that they 1.00

00:40:03.960 build in the forest in their in their like the war. Yeah, but the stereotype is super ugly outside,

00:40:09.400 super lavish inside. There's the I was looking at, oh my god, I hate Middle Eastern wealth. 1.00

00:40:15.400 It is so ugly. Their sense of style. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Asian wealth is amazing. 1.00

00:40:19.800 And European wealth. I mean, like old money is just like, you know, crumbling everything. It's

00:40:24.200 not everything falling apart because they don't have it anymore. And American new money isn't that

00:40:28.440 fun. So no, it has to be. I disagree. I think American like Connecticut wealth can be pretty nice.

00:40:35.720 Oh, waspy old money. Yeah. We were just talking though offline about how that's like pretty much over

00:40:41.400 that there are influencers who try to keep that aesthetic alive. Some of which I love to follow

00:40:46.920 on Instagram, but they're just doing it to hawk their Halloween sweaters and socks. And it's,

00:40:51.640 it's all a fantasy. Like it's not real. No one actually goes yachting anymore. No one actually

00:40:56.440 wears, you know, the yacht industry is falling apart. I was watching a YouTube video on that recently.

00:41:01.960 Not, not just yacht, but sailing more broadly. Like, but you know, I, I love our aesthetic,

00:41:07.160 the old stone house aesthetic, you know, the, yeah, maybe technical. Yeah. But that's not,

00:41:11.400 you know, it's not an aspirational hyper consumeristic thing. So it's not consumerist

00:41:17.400 enough, but yeah, the, the, the, the closing point I was going to make is I really think

00:41:21.960 China is just setting itself up for failure. And the point I was making earlier, which is so 1.00

00:41:26.600 important for people to rock is if the way that you think, like if your hypothesis is,

00:41:32.680 well, China can manage things in a centralized top-down fashion and that's how they're going

00:41:37.000 to get around X problem. What you need to understand is every single dollar that China

00:41:44.120 has right now, every great, like, like their entire civilizational rise in these last 30 years

00:41:50.120 was because of deregulation. If you think the way they are going to get around one of their current

00:41:55.720 problems by tightening up recentralization, what you are saying is they are going to go back to the

00:42:01.640 economic relevance that they had 20, 30 years ago, because that economic relevance didn't come from

00:42:08.520 like the Chinese people or something like that. They're not that different from the Vietnamese or

00:42:13.720 the, you know, the, the Thai or any of the other surrounding populations. It came from the fact that

00:42:20.040 the government decentralized the economy and, and, and China before this was truly economically irrelevant.

00:42:27.560 And if you think that they're going to be able to like, this is the thing where people think that

00:42:32.520 like Saudi Arabia is going to make this like Neom city and it's going to be economically relevant.

00:42:36.280 Oh no. Everyone knows Neom is never happening.

00:42:39.160 That's what China is doing with AI right now. They're making, 0.65

00:42:41.720 No, you think, okay. So you think China's AI is China's Neom?

00:42:45.480 Yeah. It's not like really supposed to work. It's supposed to look like it could work because

00:42:52.600 that's how you move up in the CCP. And it's not that it's impossible that China could do something

00:42:57.960 right. The problem is, is that Xi is the guy who's in charge right now. And Xi is completely incompetent.

00:43:06.200 How old is he? Let's see. And unfortunately he has a fear of anyone replacing him. He's 72. 0.96

00:43:13.240 And so he's basically cleared anyone out of high levels of government who's competent and could

00:43:17.800 replace him. And apparently there's like one guy who might be able to, but like China really needs

00:43:22.840 to get rid of Xi soon. If it wants to have any chance of getting out of the disaster that it's

00:43:27.320 heading into right now. And I just don't see that happening. So yeah, well, but, but Belt and Road is

00:43:34.440 not a success. Belt and Road, when people hear Belt and Road, they should think the opposite of a

00:43:38.520 success, like an actual in the moment disaster of huge amounts of money flowing out of China

00:43:44.520 for people who are just pocketing it and trying to escape before the ship sinks.

00:43:48.840 So we never get to visit China again. I hope you don't regret that. I at least got to travel a lot

00:43:55.480 there. So that was nice. And I'm looking forward to hearing all the comments from our China experts

00:44:01.800 who were going to vehemently disagree with us because they think China's just going to kill

00:44:06.760 it somehow.

00:44:09.720 Like seriously, the delusion of that belief, like I can't even, I literally can't even.

00:44:17.240 It's like the people who think the urban monoculture is going to somehow work out.

00:44:20.120 I'm like, but look at the statistics. Look at the statistics. Look at the statistics.

00:44:23.960 Rufus is cracking his knuckles. Tim is stretching his hands out and getting ready for that.

00:44:28.600 I can't be like, we see you. We see you. Yeah. Love you guys. And I love you, Malcolm. And I love

00:44:36.360 Tex.

00:44:37.400 Yeah. Oh yeah. Tex came home. Look at this. He's alive. Just came home a few hours ago.

00:44:42.120 Yeah. Like literally.

00:44:43.560 They did another x-ray. He's no longer got holes in his lungs. So, you know, we got a healthy kid

00:44:48.360 for now. I mean, SIDS can happen high probability in the first, you know, few weeks and months.

00:44:53.480 Don't say that. So like, let's just get through this before we truly celebrate.

00:44:58.360 Yeah. He's not going to be more than like 15 inches away from me for the next like six months,

00:45:02.040 basically. Yeah. Putting an oxygen. Yeah. We got it. We got a foot oxygen cuff. I don't care

00:45:07.080 about the false alarms it's going to give me and freak me out. I am just, I don't care. Okay. You

00:45:11.000 know what? I don't need to sleep for the next. I have kids now, Simone. Five.

00:45:15.320 That's pretty great. Love you. Hey, we're actual pronatalists now. That's like a number of kids.

00:45:20.920 It's like, no, that's we've, we've reached Catherine Pakalik qualifications. Cause she,

00:45:25.800 for Hannah's children only interviewed college educated women who had more than like five or 0.99

00:45:30.840 more children. So I didn't qualify as a mother, you know, before that. Now I do. I'm a Pakalik

00:45:37.240 mother and that's saying a lot. She had eight of her own and then raised 16 total. So we'll get there.

00:45:45.480 What a woman, what a woman, Malcolm. What do you think we can beat eight? 1.00

00:45:51.560 I hope I would love to at least do eight. I mean, seven's obviously our bare minimum.

00:45:56.680 I want to beat at least Kevin Dolan and he's at six.

00:46:00.600 Didn't he just make it to seven? Oh, he did. Dang. Well,

00:46:06.440 who can we beat? Have we beat Matt Walsh yet? At least let's see.

00:46:09.640 I thought he had five. So maybe we're neck and neck with Matt Walsh.

00:46:13.560 All these people like got married. Oh, well, but they had two sets of twins. That's kind of

00:46:22.520 cheating. Still really, you go, you really go through it when you have twins. That's,

00:46:28.040 I mean, talk about NICU time. I have, I have one donated kid. So I'm at six, at least genetically

00:46:34.200 speaking. Yeah. But I want, I want to raise, I want to raise a minimum of seven. All right.

00:46:46.200 Hopefully eight, 12. I love you too. All right. All right. So what do people think of today's

00:46:53.240 episode? Even though it did terribly for whatever reason, this was a 747 video on like the,

00:46:57.800 the satanic Minecraft cult.

00:46:58.840 I was surprised by that. Who doesn't want to learn about a satanic Minecraft cult? Maybe our

00:47:08.200 audience is just not interested in, I can actually have to look to see if the issue was watch time

00:47:14.520 or it was click through rate. The watch time was high, but the click through rate was a little low.

00:47:18.680 Okay. Give me a second. So what did people have to say about it?

00:47:22.200 They liked it. A lot of people were sort of like, this is my approach to social media,

00:47:25.880 which I think was, was good to hear. Yeah. The, I think you saw the comment on original sin,

00:47:31.320 which I thought was interesting. Oh yeah. Yeah. I like that one. I gave it like this idea that like,

00:47:35.320 you know, actually not all people are good as it happens. And that's so true because I was kind of

00:47:42.120 raised to believe that all people, I mean, my parents were like, yeah, there are a few people

00:47:46.680 out there who aren't good, but I don't know. I was kind of just given the impression societally that

00:47:51.560 you can just trust people and everyone's good and it's going to be fine. And that led to problems.

00:47:56.440 But it wasn't for you. Yes. Yes. Well, I think that's a really toxic thing to teach young people.

00:48:01.320 You know, I think viewing society adversarially is quite useful in terms of navigating it

00:48:06.840 successfully. Yeah, absolutely. I will. I'll kick us off though. I think it was a great episode.

00:48:14.120 I think maybe it'll do well on the long tail. We'll see. We'll see. But yeah. Oh, well,

00:48:21.240 next week will be a better week and hopefully this, this will, this will do it. All right. Well,

00:48:26.520 I'll let you get started on this one. Okay. And I pulled up some data too,

00:48:30.440 that I can also go over. Yeah. All right. Torsten, are you lost? Come on,

00:48:36.120 let's keep looking. Titan to Octavian. Go in the exit. Go in the exit. Find the exit,

00:48:48.120 that I will meet over there. Okay. Go for there. Do you think maybe you need to go under there?

00:48:55.480 Yeah, go there. Torsten, stay here.

Based Camp - October 13, 2025

China Jails Overly Sad & Rich Influencers - Should We？

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