Chinese Fertility Falling Faster Than Expected： Are “Chads” to Blame？
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Fertility rates in China have dropped 37.5% over the past decade, and are falling even faster than they were under the one-child policy. Simone and I talk about why China's fertility rate is falling so fast, and why the government is doing whatever it takes to try to slow it down.
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Hello, Simone. We are here again with more shocking stats on how quickly fertility rates
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are falling in some parts of the world. The latest ones that really got me, and honestly,
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whenever I look at the Chinese numbers, I'm always just flabbergasted at how bad things are.
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And I should point out here, just so people are under no illusions here, because there is this
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popular myth that Chinese fertility rates are falling because of the one-child policy. This
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is a myth, okay? Chinese fertility rates are not, they are falling much faster now than under the
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one-child policy. They are much lower now than they were under the one-child policy. They did not fall
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because of the one-child policy. They fell due to a few issues that we are going to be discussing
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that are actually very similar to some of the issues that Korea and Japan have with their
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And in a way, are tied to being too conservative, which is really interesting and goes back to this
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Arya Babu study that we've mentioned before, which shows that in Europe, the more conservative a
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country is on average, the lower their fertility rate, while the more conservative a population
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group is in a country is, the higher their fertility rate, which goes against them, but a lot of people
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will assume is the case. So this shocking statistic that I saw that really got to me and was that
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over the past 10 years, so from 2022 back to 2012, the number of babies born in China per year
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dropped from 16 million all the way down to only 10 million. Over a 10-year period, that is a 37.5%
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Wow. Wow. But it gets more interesting than this. It's not like China isn't trying to prevent this
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decline right now. And why this is all relevant is I actually think it's very relevant to the United
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States, and it's very relevant to some of the reproductive strategies men have decided to reactively
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and really begin to attempt, and I think due to the rise of feminism and an overcorrection for that.
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And I think that it is these strategies that we see mirrored sort of what happens to the populations
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that adopt them. We see that in what's going on in China right now, in what's going on in Korea right
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now. So Simone, you had read an article. I'd love you to go into this.
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Yeah. I mean, what got me thinking about this was I got a Google alert because we have a demographic
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collapse. Google alert, of course, for an article on Business Insider India, so totally random,
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titled, Chinese women are fed up with Xi Jinping's attempts to make them have more and more kids.
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And the article talks about how basically the CCP has had, like, they've made speeches. They've said,
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we need to create a new trend of family. And they're trying to create matchmaking events and
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get more people to get married. And Xi said he wants the Chinese people to, quote, actively cultivate
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a new culture of marriage and childbearing to strengthen guidance on young people's view on
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marriage, childbirth, and family. And then the article talks about it basically, like, Chinese women
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aren't having it. But Chinese women are pushing back. I can't afford to take care of anything else
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aside from my parents and work, Molly Chen told the Wall Street Journal. So there's just basically,
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like, women, to a great extent, are like, they're hearing what the government is saying. They're also,
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like, well aware that their access to reproductive choice is being removed. But they're just not,
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they're not going to comply. I think this is going to be another lying flat issue.
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And the article does note also that there has been a meaningful decline, not just in births,
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but in registered marriages. So they fell from 13 million to 2013, to 6.8 million in 2022.
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13 million to 6.8 million? How far apart were those two numbers? 10 years?
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So yeah, 2013, 13 million. 2022, 6.8 million. So almost falling in half, like cutting in half.
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This is. Holy shit. I know. And I was looking to see with all of China's efforts to try to get
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their fertility rate up again, I couldn't find this year's statistics because, well, here's the name
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of an article. China deletes leaked stats showing plunging birth rate for 2023. Because like, how bad
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they do in 2023? Apparently so bad that China's now trying to scrub the internet of how bad they're
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doing in 2023. And so we have talked about some things that lead to this in China, right? One of
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the things that we've talked about that leads to this in China is just a lack of hope. Why does
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Israel have a high fertility rate despite its economic prosperity? When Israelis are pressuring
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other Israelis to have kids, it's not so that the entrenched power structure of their country can
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maintain their wealth. It's because they believe they're in an existential battle for their survival.
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When the Chinese CCP government tells your average Chinese teen, go have kids, that person is like,
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what? So you can keep more power and more money and my family has no real chance of moving up within
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our society? No, screw you. No, no, it's true. And that is one thing that's causing this. And another
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thing that's causing this is a genuine lack of belief that there's hope for the future of the country
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within China, which always depresses the country's fertility rate. Another thing that's causing this is the
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lack of diversity was in China. As we've said, the less diversity you have within an area,
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typically the lower the fertility rate is going to be, especially if you have some conflict within
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these diverse populations because that spikes fertility rates because it gives people an
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understanding of this is who I am, this is who they are, and we are in some form of hopefully
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friendly competition. Yeah, you have a team to root for, whatever.
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Yeah, a team to root for, right? You know, that's how you get people to go crazy at the sports
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games and everything. So, okay. All that being the case, there is another area where China's
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really failing and where South Korea's really failing and where Japan's really failing that
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we really- Well, and we're arguably the United States and Europe are failing too.
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Beginning to, yes. Not quite as bad. Yeah. No, it's not nearly as bad, but I think we need to go there.
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It is the conservative attitude with which men are approaching the marriage marketplaces.
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And when I say conservative attitude, I don't mean conservative like doing things the way they
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used to be done. It's conservative in not ceding any of the rights that men had historically as they
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are gaining additional privileges that they wouldn't have had in a historic context.
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So what do we mean by this? As women have been able to make their own money, have been able to
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enter the job market, particularly within countries like China and South Korea, the men are not letting
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them out of any housework. They are not contributing to childcare. They are putting on this, what in the
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US, I think is defined by this ultra Chad aesthetic that to an extent is pushed by individuals like
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Andrew Tate and stuff like that. And women, when they go out and they want to date and they see
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the lifestyle that they're going to have with these people, they're just like, no, fuck it. It's better
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to be single. Yeah. Why would you like voluntarily become someone's servant for the rest of your life?
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Well, and while you still have to take care of your parents in China too, like, you know,
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like screw that. Like I 100% I would not, I would not even consider it. Like I haven't
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picked up anything from Chinese culture or even Korean culture around marriage, though. I would say
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that the Korean couples that you and I know are like really awesome, share the burden, but they're
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also very modern and they work together. Um, you know, when that's very rare for Korea.
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Yeah. Right. They're like the, the only ones we know are like extremely unusual and they're also
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happy, but they're unusual for like, but the, but the typical guy, right. The typical South Korean,
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the typical Japanese guy, the typical Chinese guy is going to, yeah, just totally not like, I, I just,
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I've never seen examples of them being like, yeah, I'll help around the house. Yeah. I mean,
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like in animes, there are examples of these, like this is romanticized, right. Of like the dad really
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helping out with a ton of stuff, but I haven't seen it in reality. No. And it's worse than that
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as well. The deal that you are getting as a woman in these countries is even worse than that. So one
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thing that's really, really common in these cultures is I don't know what word I'd use for,
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but whoring. I, when I was working in South Korea was on a number of occasions invited to brothels
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with other men. And, and I'd like, I have a wife and they're like, what does that have to do with
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anything? They're like, come on, this is like a group bonding exercise. And I never ended up
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going, it was a gross to me. Like, I don't, I don't find, but I've mentioned this before. I
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have a really high aversion to women with a high body count. Like it's, it's, it wasn't even just
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a loyalty to my wife. Not even aversion to that. You, you lived in the brothel area because it was
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cheaper. You don't like, not as, it just, you wouldn't want to sleep with them. No, no, no. But I
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mean a sexual aversion. Like I find them very unattractive, no matter how like attractive on their face
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they are. It's just to me, a gross idea, even outside of any loyalty I have to my wife within
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the West, you wouldn't do that. At a, at a VC firm, you would not like approach people at another VC
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firm and say like, Hey, let's go cheat on our wives. Like, even if people cheat in Silicon Valley,
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even if there are these sex parties, parties exist for people in explicitly open relationships,
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which is common in Silicon Valley, or they are seen as sort of like a naughty thing that you
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shouldn't be doing, not like a formalized part of the culture. And this is, so as a woman,
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you're getting so, so, so little when you marry in these cultures, really all you're getting is kids
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and maybe getting your parents off your back. In fact, that's another really interesting thing was
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in these cultures is a huge motivator for marriage and kids is the externality of the parents asking for
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the grandkids. And that is something that is not as common in the United States. And I actually think
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it increases our marriage rate. And people might be like, wait, why would not being constantly
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pressured by your parents to do something increase the rate at which it happens? And the answer is,
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imagine if your parents, you know, every week we're asking you, are you having enough sex? Are you
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having enough sex? Like, have you had sex yet? You'd probably not have sex for a really long time,
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just out of obstinance to your parents. You know, the stage at which you need to do this is a stage
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that humans have this natural biological instinct to rebel. It just sort of distance themselves from
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their family and build their own life. I mean, so parents pushing that at that age can cause people
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to build an additional amount of questioning around this, especially when it's also coming from
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the government as well. But this also comes to our own country, right? So many guys are looking at the
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ways that the marriage market is breaking. And instead of going out there and saying, okay, well,
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then I need to find these rare women who are still high quality marriageable material,
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I am just going to act in this way that is totally degrading of all women. And as we've pointed out
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many times, it is not that this act will not get you sexual partners. It will, but it will get you
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the type of sexual partner, the type of woman who would sleep with a guy who she met randomly because
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he turned her on, which is generally not the type of woman you want to marry. The type of woman you
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want to marry, and these women are out there because we talk to them, you know, we see them.
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They are the women who desperately want to get involved in some sort of world-changing project,
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but they want that project to be whatever their husband is interested in. And they're looking for a
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guy that inspires them. And they're not finding these men anymore. Men who have this huge ambition
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or level of integrity to make society a better place. And I think this comes because we have
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forgotten what the actual American Chad was. If you go, and I've been reading a lot of family history
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recently, a lot of, you know, books about early family members or stuff like that, right? Like about
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what the men were like, you know, going into World War II, what men were like on the frontier,
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what their lives were like, and the way that their wives interacted and thought about them.
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And these were men that had earned their wives' admiration. There are men today who think that the
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reason historically their ancestors, women, admired their husbands were because they had to,
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because they were forced to by society. The rules.
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And it's not that this never happened, but these were the families of the abusive drunkards who,
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like, everybody looked down on, right? Like- Yeah, these were seen as, like, the low-class
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dysfunctional families. Or the husbands were victims of, like, literal serial killers who would
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just find ways to poison them, which happened. Right, what are you talking about? I don't understand.
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I'm saying that, like- Are you referring to a specific incident, or-
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Yeah, well, I'm talking about that female serial killer who took out a woman.
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I don't remember her name. Want me to look her up? I'm just saying-
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No, no, no. I'll pull it up and add it in editing. But yeah, no. So, yeah, you would get these,
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these, like, really low-class men who were, like, abusive and demanded respect for their wives. But
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this was seen as a low-class thing. Like, nobody respected these individuals.
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This was some, like, weird, within our generation, this is what people would call, like, trailer trash
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Actual, your average woman who respected her husband, if you're talking, like, pre-World War II period,
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American colonial period, American frontierist period, this was because the man had earned it
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through the enormous hardships he went through.
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You, as a person living in this era, cannot, like, they're not going to be foisted upon you.
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You have to seek them out. You have to seek out the trials of making mankind great. And through
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seeking out those trials, you will attract women. I think a lot of people, when I talk about, you know,
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my early sexual history and stuff like that, one of the things, like, just, I had enormous sexual
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success, you know, high school, college, et cetera. And people are like, how did this, how did this
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happen? You know, you do not look like I expect, like, the mega Chad guy to look. But I have always
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had, like, an intense burning passion to try to fix society and make the world a better place
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and plans around how to do that. And those were the things that attracted women. Now, guys are like,
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oh, great. Now, how do I fake that? And the problem is, is that if you fake this in order to get
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women, it won't work. They won't be interested in you. Like, they can see through this immediately.
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You have to actually find something that's meaningful to you and dedicate your life to it.
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And this also works, you know, if you're dedicating your life to a religious cause or to something like
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that. But it's so funny, you know, people talk about monk mode and stuff these days, right? And what
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they mean when they're talking about this is abstention from things like, you know, whether it's
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pornography or certain types of, like, fun, like, video games, stuff like that, right?
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And they're just going to work on a project. Whereas often the projects that they dedicate
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themselves to are self-aggrandizing projects, which defeat the whole purpose of all of this,
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because that is not what attracts women, is men who are working on self-aggrandizing projects.
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They are attracted to men who are working on projects for the betterment of society
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or for the betterment of a cause that that man truly believes in. And that you don't need to go
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monk mode. What you need to do, where you need to be superhuman, is in your ambition and your
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confidence and your ability to play a role in that ambitious goal. And this is what defined the early
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settlers. You know, when you were, you know, reading these old journals of my family of, you know,
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going out into the West, being in these, these environments where everything was against you,
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you could die at any moment, everyone around you was dying all the time. And the amount of
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mental and moral fortitude each individual had to have, but it led to things like the quote I read
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before, where he was talking about his mom and he goes, my mom always regarded my dad as her personal
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hero. And that's the thing is men today think that women submitted out of submission, out of this like
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instinctual sexual desire. Oh yeah. Like it's, it is their nature. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like a, like a, I don't know, a bird flocking into a certain formation. Like,
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oh, they formed the V because of the streamline and, and like, oh, well the women form submission
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because it's the, their woman brains, you know, like, no. Yeah. Which, which I will say women do do
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that disproportionately within a sexual context, but you as a guy have to remember the things that turn
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you on are not the things that affect like what job you take or that doesn't change it though. So
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like, okay, you can be turned on by someone being dominant, just like you could be turned on by
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someone having giant breasts. But guess what? If a woman doesn't have giant breasts, is she going to
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turn you on? That makes no sense to me what you just said. A man can be turned on by large boobs,
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but if a woman doesn't have large boobs, it doesn't turn them on. How does that connect to what you're
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talking about? It doesn't turn on the man. Well, if, if man isn't really dominant, if a man isn't
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dominant in the way that actually makes a woman feel like she could be comfortable around him
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and surrender to him completely. Okay. Okay. So what you're saying is these men aren't actually
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dominant. Okay. I disagree with you here. Strongly actually disagree with you. So you think women
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can be turned on by fake dominance? No, I think that women, the reason why your average woman is
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turned on by a certain type of dominance, right? And this is turned on within a sexual context
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is because the women who weren't when their village was raided and all of the men were killed
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ended up being killed themselves. But this is a completely sexual thing. Like this is something
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that you can do like play in the bedroom or something like that, but it is not that tied to
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the way they look for long-term partners. That is a different category of what we call dominance in
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society. So, and, and we'll, we'll talk about this in where I argue that within males and females,
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there are sort of two different sexualities that I think apply to both genders. Like the things
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that turn a guy on in porn are not the things that they would necessarily be most turned on by doing
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with their wife. And that is because historically, you know, humans had two sets of evolutionary pressures
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on the way that they related to their partners. Um, one set of evolutionary pressures was, uh, if I'm
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raiding a village, am I making sure to impregnate as many people as possible because I'm raiding the
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village, right? Um, and women, if I'm in a village that's being raided, am I making sure I'm not
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putting up too much of a fight? And so I actually live. Um, but that sexual optimization is completely
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different from a, this is my approved wife was in my community. These are my legitimate children
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within my community. And I need to make sure that they are seen as respected and empowered so that I
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can, you know, intergenerationally move up within status within my community. Uh, these are two
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completely different sets of selective pressures. And we'll do a full video on this, this elsewhere
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and the evidence for it. But the point being is that men recognize accurately that this sort of like
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raider dominance is something that they can use to get women. They meet at bars to sleep with them.
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But the women who are interested in this form of dominance and who will submit sexually and be
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like, I'm interested in you as a stranger to like, just have sex because of this form of dominance
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are very, very, very bad marriage candidates. And these are exactly the women who will screw you
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over and who will divorce, grape you. And the reason that is, is because you are selecting for
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the type of woman who was the type of woman who would have betrayed her village when it was raided.
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So of course she betrays you. Of course she goes out and cheats with you when she meets some,
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you know, dominant acting pool boy or plumber or something like that. Who's coming over and visiting
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your house? Like, of course, that is how you selected her. But then there's the other type
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of woman who's using a completely different sexual strategy where she is looking for a hero,
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which is yes, dominant to her in one way, but it is not necessarily a dominance that is like
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immediately turning her on. Like some women are immediately turned on by this, but no,
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this is a woman who's looking for someone to sort of set up shop. As I say, you're not a woman,
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you don't get to like set up shop in somebody else's life if your life is failing.
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I mean, it's not like he's a hot girl. He can't just bail on his life and set up shop in someone
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else's. But a lot of women actually hone themselves as like a tool to be a great tool
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within somebody else's life. As I say, like within our relationship, one of the ways that we often
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talked about our relationship early on was sort of sword and wielder relationship, right? Where
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Simone had worked to hone herself in to the perfect instrument of my will on the world. And it was
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through wielding her that my full will, the thing I wanted to accomplish within society was possible.
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But a blade is not going to be interested in a feckless master who only uses it for his own
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self-aggrandizement. If a human being was that thing, if a human being was this sentient blade,
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they are, they know what their purpose is, which is to help somebody else make some big impact on
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society. But when a guy's like, oh, blades, I just use those things, right? The blade's like, no,
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I don't want somebody. I don't want some barbarian. I don't want somebody who just uses me to satisfy
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their own whims. I want somebody who has a righteous mission. And that's, that is what creates the bond
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and allows the blade to not turn on its wielder. Whereas, or, or if the wielder chooses a barbarian
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blade, like you don't want a barbarian on a blade, a barbarian blade gains its power through, through,
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through being sharpened at its hilt. It cuts both ways. And so in society, you can go ahead and look,
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look for a wife like this. And a lot of men are out there. The women who are looking, sorry, the women
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who are looking for these righteous men, they are not finding them. And I am seeing this. And I'm
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even seeing this with men that I talked to, you know, a lot of these men, they say, well, I'm going
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to wait till I'm like extra wealthy. Then I'm going to go out and find a good wife. But that's not
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looking for a wife who's helping you make your wealth. That's not looking for a wife who's on this
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journey together with you. That is saying that once I have this ultra high level of status, I'm going to
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use it to get a supplicant. And those supplicant wives are really low quality wives.
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Yeah. And I just keep seeing this from a lot of guys who I think are otherwise like sane and know
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that they should be going out there. And then of course, there's like the black pill guys that are
00:23:37.120
just like, there's no women out there that are like this. There's no women out there that won't
00:23:40.660
betray you. And that's just like objectively not true. There are lots of women who have been in
00:23:46.180
long-term stable relationships with somebody. It may be increasingly true if you're older. Like if
00:23:52.060
you wait to find a wife until like your late twenties. Yeah. Okay. That might be true.
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But I guess in society today, somebody's like, but doesn't everybody wait to find a wife until
00:24:01.020
their late twenties? Not the smart good men. Those men are laughing at the women long before that
00:24:08.460
Yeah. I guess one, one strategy that could work for men who are older is to get like right on the
00:24:19.700
rebound divorces, like women whose first marriage didn't work out for whatever reason. Cause they.
00:24:26.600
Maybe I'd be aiming for widows, widows only for me.
00:24:30.100
Widows only. Yeah. I don't know, but I do. I think it's, it's a, it's a two way street. So,
00:24:35.040
I mean, while I am saying like guys out there are not delivering something that's worth the hassle
00:24:41.020
for women, like why would they bother? Especially like in the U S too, with, with sperm donation,
00:24:45.940
like it's just so easy. Like even if a woman wants to have her own kids, it's super easy to have your
00:24:50.760
own kids as a woman in the U S and be a single mother. I mean, no, it's, it's, it's hard to be a
00:24:54.960
single mother. Right. But like you can do it. And frankly, with a lot of the men out there,
00:24:59.080
it would, it seems a lot easier to do that and not deal with the baggage of the guy. Right.
00:25:05.140
But also, I mean, keep in mind. And so I'd say this is guys, women are human beings too. Like
00:25:09.940
they want their lives to matter. Very few humans there, at least with any sort of genetic stock
00:25:15.980
that I would be interested in marrying are going to be genuinely satisfied being a servant to another
00:25:21.740
human, just to be a servant to another human human beings who, who gain satisfaction from serving
00:25:29.220
another person, gain it because they believe in that person's mission. Like ultimately they're
00:25:33.920
serving that person's mission, not that person themselves. Whereas a lot of this sort of, I'd say
00:25:40.700
over red filled mindset thinks that you can get a good wife, like an actual, like really high quality
00:25:47.320
woman to sacrifice her entire life, just in service of you and your vanities. And a lot of
00:25:54.180
these missions are just vanities. Like if it's just a company for a company's sake, that's a personal
00:25:58.260
vanity. If it's your, you know, honing your body for its own sake, that's a personal vanity. And,
00:26:04.160
and you are not going to get the highest quality of women. If you are still focused on individual
00:26:10.880
vanity and monk mode itself can be a form of vanity. If it's not being sharpened and
00:26:17.300
focused into some mission. Totally. I always sort of took monk mode to be like
00:26:22.380
the male equivalent of like, I'm in my spa detox month or whatever. Like we're like,
00:26:28.080
I'm just taking, this is self-care. I have no time for friends right now. I'm just going to be
00:26:33.540
watching movies and eating clean and doing Pilates. And like, it's just, yeah. What does that mean for
00:26:39.940
the world? And it, I actually do recall now, like, yeah, you, you didn't try to sell me on yourself
00:26:45.100
on our first date. You sold me on your vision for the world. And what we initially came in aligned
00:26:51.960
on was a vision not on like, you know, Oh, I think, I mean, I obviously did. I sat you down.
00:26:59.180
I said, I'm looking for a wife. Here's what I want to do. Like, here's, here's the problems I think
00:27:03.060
the world is facing and how I think we can resolve. Yeah. And so I think when nations are looking at
00:27:08.060
demographic collapse, it's, we, we always hammer home this, like it's culture. You have to fix
00:27:14.040
culture. But a big part of that culture is creating young men and women who are worth marrying,
00:27:19.900
who are really worth marrying. And belief in their agency on society. So the problem you have in an
00:27:25.440
environment like China or South Korea is a lot of young men are raised to believe that no matter what
00:27:30.740
they do, they can only be a tool of the system. When you completely castrate and defang young men,
00:27:37.720
you create men that women don't want to marry. Yeah. Yeah. But beyond that, I think, you know,
00:27:44.840
in China, frankly, I think a lot of women would get married even to men who don't have visions,
00:27:49.040
even if it's just, if they weren't, if they weren't assholes and if they actually like hold
00:27:53.300
their weight and if they brought something to the table. And I, again, I'm thinking back to like those
00:27:57.020
1950s, like 1940s to 1960s guides to life that I'm so obsessed with those little coronet films,
00:28:03.620
instructional videos that they used to show to high school kids in the dating and relationship
00:28:07.800
videos. A very common theme is like, remember, no one's going to care about you unless you bring
00:28:13.940
your thing to the table. You know, and for women, it's like, here's how to be a good housekeeper.
00:28:18.120
Here's how to manage the family finances. Here's how to fix clothes. Here's how to make sure the
00:28:21.420
family has the right nutrition. You know, here's how to, and then like for men, it's, it's like,
00:28:25.200
here's, you know, here's how to be polite. Here's how to budget. Well, here's how to,
00:28:29.900
you know, be kind to your wife. Here's how to support your family. And like each person
00:28:34.320
was raised culturally to understand that like you have this burden of responsibility
00:28:40.940
to bring something to your relationship. And right now the perspective is totally flipped. It's,
00:28:46.800
well, what about me? What is, what's in it for me? Yeah. What am I getting out of this?
00:28:50.980
And like, no one is thinking, what can I get? What can I get? So often from, from these men,
00:28:56.180
these like total black-pilled men who are like all negative on relationships. And like,
00:28:59.620
it's only about divorce grape. It's only about et cetera. And they're like, what do I, as a man
00:29:04.700
get out of marrying a woman? And it's like the moment, like, like, and, and when, as soon as
00:29:09.500
somebody says that, I'm like, I understand why you were graped now. I get why you got divorced
00:29:13.780
grape. Because you're the type of person who would see the world like that. Because you are the type
00:29:18.720
of person who asks how the other person is benefiting you personally, rather than looking
00:29:24.760
for somebody on a combined mission. And then this is what I'm saying was like, well, how do you know
00:29:28.820
she won't like betray you because of her like instincts or her womanliness will lead her to
00:29:34.420
betray you or her self-motivation. It's like, bro, like we're on the same mission. We're on the same
00:29:40.200
quest. There is no reason to betray me. So long as I am competently moving towards that quest,
00:29:46.080
there is no temptation for betrayal. So long as we are on this mission together,
00:29:51.400
her entire life is in service to this mission. Like why would she betray somebody else who is
00:29:57.420
competently fighting for the same goal? It's when you structure yourself as somebody who's asking,
00:30:04.240
what do I get out of this? Okay. What, what do I get out of this arrangement? That means the people
00:30:08.580
who you're in an arrangement with are thinking the same thing. What do I get out of this? Because
00:30:11.700
that is a way that you have framed the construction of a relationship, which historically was not what
00:30:17.000
relationships were about. You did not get into a relationship thinking, what do I get out of this?
00:30:21.520
And so many men today think that they're like, what do I get? And then, and then they use it for
00:30:26.380
this weird, like masculine self-validation where they raise themselves up within their own instincts
00:30:33.440
of what it means to be masculine through the denigration of the women in their lives and their wives.
00:30:38.420
Whereas anything I think that you do to your wife, you should be comfortable having done to your
00:30:46.460
daughter. And if you would not enthusiastically encourage another man to treat your daughter
00:30:52.280
that way, then you should not be treating your wife that way because that is the way that your
00:30:57.120
daughters will expect to be treated in their relationships. And I think a lot of people are
00:31:01.600
like, aren't you worried about when your daughters start dating? Not at all. Not at, I mean, if they're out
00:31:05.140
there dating and looking for somebody to change the world with, that's great. You know, do whatever
00:31:09.980
you want with my daughter. If you're working effectively together to enact some goal and
00:31:15.240
vision you have for the world. But the reason why these guys are afraid of people dating their
00:31:22.040
daughters is they're afraid that people will see their daughters the way that they saw their wives
00:31:25.900
as sexual conquests. That's primary utility is how they augment their own status. And that branch of
00:31:35.820
humanity, if it doesn't die off, will enter the barbarian classes. When I talk about the barbarian
00:31:41.660
classes, as people know, we talk about the enemies of pernatalism. You have the urban monoculture,
00:31:46.320
which is one of the enemies, but then you have the future problem, which is that most of the high
00:31:49.820
fertility cultural groups these days are technophobic, low economically productive. Like
00:31:54.880
that's how they get their fertility rates high by artificially lowering their income and very,
00:31:59.060
very xenophobic. And these are the future enemy of most of the pernatalist cultures, because these
00:32:05.840
are not going to be economically or technologically meaningful groups within the human future. And they
00:32:10.740
just hinder us or a threat to us, the humans that will one day populate the galaxy.
00:32:19.240
And so when I talk about somebody descending to the barbarians, you know, they're the people who
00:32:25.280
will be left on earth as the humans that were technologically engaged and economically productive
00:32:31.340
in populating the stars. And there you have it. Anyway, that's why you shouldn't be a Chad. You should
00:32:39.680
be the 1920s, 1910s version of a Chad. Anyway, love you to death, Simone. I love you too, Malcolm.
00:32:49.240
Or the Braveheart Chad. That's a good one. Yeah, Braveheart Chad. That works.