Christianity Was Never a Religion of ＂Peace＂ — Forgetting That Is Killing Us
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In this episode, we dig deeper into why and when God says it's okay to kill infants, and how it relates to Christianity and the Bible in general. We go through the clear examples of when God tells us that it's OK to kill babies, and why it's not.
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hello simone i'm excited to be talking to you today today we are going to be digging into
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morality as the bible and christian faith relate to it because i am getting really sick of all of
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these christians out there that we see within like the wider christian media influencer ecosystem
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talking about how christianity is like the religion of peace and we need to always be
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peaceful and if you're going to for example make a blanket rule against dropping bombs on schools
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in a warfare scenario then all of a sudden terrorists are going to put their headquarters
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under schools and make society net negative for children oh you're not this is purely hypothetical
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of course yeah if if at a uh societal level right we did something like just always gave out food
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whenever somebody was hungry you would have groups begin to evolve or move in close to you
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that evolve entirely predatory off of this right when somebody can be like well maybe the bible
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didn't predict all of these things or didn't really think through difficult moral decisions
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and the reality is that's not true at all the bible all over the place has god telling people
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to kill infants and so we are going to go because i think that this is one of the clearest i mean i
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could go into the instances where god's like laying out the rules for selling your daughters
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into slavery or rules on how to treat slaves but in this episode that we're going to go more on
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than the next one because it's going to be a bit of a two-parter but on this one we're going to go
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deeper into specifically where why and when does god say it's okay to kill infants because i think
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it's through these scenarios we can get a broader understanding of how christianity should understand
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morality you know maybe i was wrong about this pacifism thing are you insane pacifism works
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like a charm as long as you button it isn't it broadly understood though that one of the reasons
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christianity got so much early adoption in the roman empire was because the christians didn't
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kill the babies and people kind of liked that like especially women so what i'll also point out is i
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do not i think that there was a period of history where christianity was meant to be understood as
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this ultra peacenik religion because that helped it grow we've done an episode where we look at the
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morality of early Christians and show that them being willing to help each other during times of
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plague, them not killing their infants, that this helped their population grow at a significantly
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larger rate than pagan populations and lowered the persecution that they might have otherwise
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gotten during their period of growth. But once they were the dominant religion within regions,
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at first they kept their warlike nature. You know, they would still go and do crusades. They would
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still punish the infidel you know still seek out witches in their community stuff like this
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but parts of the bible begin to be emphasized more than other parts over time until the religion
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became unrecognizable and a net negative in the way it was being practiced so to go back to this
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we've got and this one is the clearest so i'm going to go the longest on it samuel 15 2 through
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three. It says, thus says the Lord of hosts, I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing
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them on the way when they came out of Egypt. Now note, this would have happened hundreds of years
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before God is talking about this. So this is something that a people did hundreds of years
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ago. None of the people who actually did this negative thing to Israel would have still been
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among the Amaleks. Okay. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have.
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do not spare them but kill them both man and woman child and infant ox and sheep camel and donkey
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and there's some different translations for infant here we have suckling basically mean a child while
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it's still surviving on breast milk so you can't be like well maybe they're talking about older
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children here or something this is the the word that's used here means that and you could say
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okay maybe something was lost in translation here and god didn't really mean no you gotta kill
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everyone when you take this territory a note here are people who want to say the bible says thou
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shall not kill it doesn't say that it doesn't say that anywhere it says that you're not supposed to
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murder murder in jewish law is very different from a generic killing i didn't mention this in
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the episode because i assumed it was obvious for people with like baseline biblical knowledge but
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probably worth mentioning okay so what then happens in samuel 15 7 through 9 all right
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and samuel defeated the amaleks and from havil as far as sure which is to the east of egypt
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and he took agog and the king of the amaleks alive and devoted destruction all the people
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with the edge of the sword but saul and the people spared agog and the best sheep and the
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best oxen and fattened calves and lambs and all that was good and would not utterly destroy them
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all that was despised and worthless they devoted to destruction okay so what did god do about this
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right the word of the lord came to samuel this is samuel 15 10 through 23 i regret that i have
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made saul king for he has turned his back from following me and has not performed my commandments
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and samuel was angry and he cried to the lord all night dot dot dot and the lord sent you on a
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mission he said go and devote to destruction all the sinners the amaleks and fight against them
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until they are consumed why then did you not obey the voice of your lord why did you pronounce on
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the spoil and do what was evil even in the sight of the lord and then dot dot dot here and then
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response because you have rejected the word of the lord he has also rejected you being king
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so if it was unclear what happened there so i'll just lay it out for you did you catch what he did
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wrong he didn't kill them all he didn't kill one person the king and some of the sheep and oxen
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yeah he was supposed to kill them all now he killed all of the infants no but that's not
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all of them but that's not all of them all of them all of them and what is up dude here this
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this is the whole demon i killed i killed goblins yeah okay very very similar to that
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which was that just were they just were they just trying to reenact the bible there
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with the whole like goblin baby killing scene where they're trying to be like i secret door
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There might have been a horde of 50 waiting for us down here
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the survivors in the nest would learn from the mistakes of the dead and adapt there isn't a
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single reason to show them mercy but what if there was a good goblin they might exist maybe
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if you looked hard you might be able to find one but in the end the only good goblins are the ones
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who never show their faces to the light of day it will say that this is the morality the bible
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teaches us the morality of that scene in goblin slayer is essentially the morality the bible
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teaches us and we're going to point out because people can be like oh well when jesus came all of
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these older stories are revoked right like they don't matter anymore this is not the god we're
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dealing with anymore i'm going to point out no jesus makes it very clear all of this stuff holds
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well we're going to point out that god's mercy when we understand mercy through the eyes of what
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god means by mercy right because we're constantly told god is merciful and then you're kicked out
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for being king because you didn't kill them all right you know like clearly if we're defining
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mercy through whatever trait god has it's not this standard human definition of mercy right so when
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we're commanded to be merciful that does not undermine the and handle it when you're conquering
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a territory right so we're gonna go into that and i'll note here people will be like well like god
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matured or something between the old and the new testament and i'm gonna say no no no no the reason
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the rules that we are given and what's asked of god is changed in between these two contexts
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is that humanity changed civilization changed that god gave us to help civilization
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advance are different in the different contexts but it's not that the older rules are no longer
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relevant or something we should be listening to or taking into understanding in warfare in
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civilizational conflicts so i want to continue here to point out for people who are like well
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maybe this this amalek people were just like uniquely evil and the situation with samuel
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was like very unique in in the old testament right and i'll point out that is not the case
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so we've got a deuteronomy 2016 18 this was a general rule landed out for canine cities okay
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but in the cities of the people that the Lord God has given you for an inheritance you shall save
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nothing that breathes but you shall devote to complete destruction the Hittites the Amorites
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the Canaanites and the Pezzarites the Hivarites and the Jebusites as your Lord God commanded
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that they may not teach you to do according to all abominable practices that they have done for
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their gods and you sin against the Lord God. So actually here we're getting some more context.
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Why does God have his people kill everyone in a region when, when, when they're conquering the
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region? And no, he doesn't always do this. There are two types of like conquests that are described.
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Sometimes it's kill everyone, all the women, all the children, everyone. And then other times it's
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leave the virginal women, marry them. So again, this isn't like a blanket rule here that he's
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giving, but it is the normal rule. The virginal women rule is less commonly brought up. And I
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will also note here that we know from DNA studies that the current Jewish population is about 50%
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descended from the Canaanites. And we also know from Jewish Old Testament stuff, there's a bunch
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of parts, especially during the Josiah reforms, where like they're complaining about intermarriage
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with canaanite people and stuff like that so the jews acted with more what we would consider quote
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unquote mercy than they were commanded to and in so doing sin right in so doing in not acting
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with maximal efficiency they acted in a way that we can see from the story of samuel was clearly a
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sin and a sin worthy of punishment too interesting huh so to continue here now we've got numbers
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31 1 through 18 and this is the medianites so again we're a different group here right
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moses commands when when talking about taking vengeance on the medianites now therefore kill
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every male among the little ones and kill every woman who has known a man by lying with him but
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the young girls who have not known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourself so you can see
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in this one instance it's a bit different but still killing the infants still killing the infants
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even in the merciful option it's still killing of the infants and again why the killing of the
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in the other passage, the reason God gives is, well, when they grow up, they will lead you away
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from whatever God sees as the truth, right? And so the question here is, why is God saying this,
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right? Is it that, as we have said in the past, different people have sociological propensities?
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If you look at DNA studies, we now know this now from twin studies and everything like that,
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huge portions of our personality are inherited. Could this have been something that God was
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concerned about when talking about a people that had lived alongside a different tradition right
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potentially you also have other examples like you have during the conquest of jericho joshua 6 21
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then they devoted all of the city to destruction both the men and the women the young and old
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oxen sheep and donkeys with the edge of the sword we also have psalms 13 9 this is more of a
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a lament and not necessarily a direct commandment from god but it's still in the context here so
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here we understand how they would have killed infants during this period because they describe
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the process in this so they say remember oh lord against the edomites the day of jerusalem how they
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say lay it bare lay it bare down to its foundations oh daughter of babylon doomed to be destroyed
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blessed shall be he who repays you with what you have done to us blessed shall be he who takes
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your little ones and bashes them against the rock so pretty brutalistic yeah and people
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will come to me and they will say when they're looking at this they will say some of these
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tribes committed a child sacrifice and note here not all of them committed child sacrifice or at
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least the bible doesn't go out of its way to say all of them did but we do know that some of them
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committed child sacrifice and so didn't they deserve this isn't this the right way to treat
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of peoples who do child sacrifice to which i would note that's a really stupid way to handle
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this morally that's a bit like you see somebody about to sacrifice his dog so you shoot the guy
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you walk over and then you sacrifice his dog and the police come and they go why did you sacrifice
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his dog and he was about to do it what you didn't then have to do it immediately after you saved him
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it's like i mean imagine you you break into epstein island and you're like they're doing
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despicable thing to children here so we we did sacrifice all of the children too of course i
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mean that that only goes with freeing a child from captivity right is sacrificing them it that
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doesn't explain the morality on display here that's a very very stupid understanding of the
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morality that's that's i mean i have a line and hurting innocent children kind of the younger
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the worse that's that's crossing it so well and and note here um this isn't just god telling other
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people to do this we see god hurting infant and again infants like clearly haven't sit like if
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you're a suckling baby you have clearly not sit and yet we know that even god one i mean directly
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kills every infant that dies of disease right but then two kills infants directly in one really
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well-known story when he kills the firstborn of all of the egyptians right like a lot of those
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didn't job also lose his family if memory serves also lost his family yes which could have included
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infants i don't know if it did include infants i can't remember if it was how how old they were
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i don't know if they got into those specifics yeah so when people come at me especially this
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is around stuff like even if you believe life begins at conception or something like that
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And you're like, how could you possibly kill infants? Right. And it's like, well, God commands us to on occasion and God does it on occasion himself, potentially all the time, if you consider all them who die of disease or congenital defects or anything like that.
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and so the question is is why because i think through digging into this question we can better
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understand morality as we are meant to understand it from the perspective of god and see part of
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why christianity is falling apart right now and see part of why our current civilizational
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structure is falling apart i've been called out i'm gonna have to show up and fight but you don't
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have to fight what do you mean it's called pacifism jerry and i fight my battles by not
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fighting well isn't that kind of you know cowardly sure some have called me a coward talk to your
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bully show your weakness until she becomes weak herself so if edie and i have an understanding
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she'll become weak yes peace it's your greatest weapon well you have my attention because baby
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killing surprise crosses a line with me i don't care who you are well the baby is before i'll go
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further basically i'll point out why it lowers net baby killing god works in nets right so this
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is a stitch in time saves nine a baby killed now saves 100 yes saves or reduces the suffering of
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thousands to hundreds of thousands of more in the future yeah i hear i hear that oh god i mean
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okay let's think about it this way right we think about the populations that the jews when they
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entered israel were commanded to kill right okay and the iterations of those populations that
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survived in the surrounding regions where now it's normal to marry you know six-year-olds and
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nine-year-olds depending on the country right like and consummate marriages at these sorts of
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ages and do all sorts of other stuff that we would see as child torture right like was god actually
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wrong in laying this out if we have seen the societies that have grown out of
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the people who were spared within these communities
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dark ea this is very dark ea go ahead blast away i just want you to know that i love you
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You know, maybe I was wrong about this pacifism thing.
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Pacifism works like a charm, as long as you button it.
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Almost more than that, we can see the continued, because God does say that he punished the Jews for not fully finishing what they were supposed to finish.
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We do see the Jews still being punished for this by God to this day.
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I mean, they are constantly being attacked by neighbors in the region, which, I mean, I think it's basically God saying, I told you so.
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But anyway, to continue here, keep in mind that we have lines in the Bible that say things like Matthew 5-7,
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blessed are the merciful for they will be shown mercy all right and here you're like wait what
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like now we're talking about mercy but where was the mercy back then right is punishing a man for
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not killing literally everyone in a region he conquered not only mercy but like merciful to
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the second degree right and this is where i think we can better understand all of these calls to
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mercy. Luke 6, 36, be merciful just as the father is merciful. So the type of whatever is meant by
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the word mercy here, what's expected of us is what we see as mercy from God. So this has to come to
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better understand like what this mercy looks like. And to the people who say, oh, and all of this
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stuff just became irrelevant after Jesus, right? Because we're going to be, we're going to be
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talking about the like, love your neighbor line and everything like that. But what happens right
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do not think that I have come to abolish the law
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not an iota, not a dot will pass through the law
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so jesus right before this love your neighbor as yourself stuff lays out we're still working on
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the older moral framework we're just improving it for a new societal context right and so then
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what does he lay out because we're going to need to get this stuff to be coherent with the earlier
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stuff okay by the way interesting right simone to go this is fascinating yeah i mean the picture
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that you're beginning to paint is God was a long-termist and long-termism is like it often
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involves a version of the trolley problem that just involves like one person being killed sooner
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or a bunch of being people being killed in like a hundred years after you're dead
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and like what you're gonna do and I think unfortunately the instinct of most people
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is well i'll be dead then so i'm gonna not kill the one person right now and i probably fall into
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that category yeah well and it also shows that god is when we talk about the morality yeah be it
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stuff like ivf or be it stuff like any of this when we're talking about like how does god operate
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in this world of morality well yeah and god exists outside of time so sorry simone drops this like
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this should be common knowledge to people when you look at lines like before i formed you in the womb
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i knew you we see that either souls exist before insolvent in heaven which most christians don't
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believe that would be a mormon belief if you believe that or that god has knowledge of the
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future and exists outside of time if you think that this implies necessary predestination it
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doesn't i actually even asked ai because i was wondering how catholics got around this very
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clear line where god appears to be aware of the future and even the mainstream catholic teaching
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is that god exists outside of time and is aware of the future so this idea that you know well i'm
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only going to choose to even though i i could i have the money to do ivf or the resources or have
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access to it i could have kids if i did ivf i want to have children but i'm going to choose to not do
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it in god's eyes some of the embryos created won't be carried to term yeah in god's eyes you are
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choosing to not have your descendants and all their descendants and all their descendants and
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so on and so forth which is ultimately killing a lot of people yeah which is immeasurable suffering
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that you are bringing on the world because you are operating in a moral constraint that is clearly a
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different moral constraint than that god operates on or that he expects you to of course that's
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assuming that you're among the people that he wouldn't have preferred to see killed his infants
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so i don't know yeah yeah i don't think so either i'm kidding but i mean you see what i mean i i'm
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very frustrated by ivf prohibitions i'm i am very frustrated by ivf prohibitions as well because you
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are preventing children who otherwise would come for and all the children they're going to have
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and all the children they're going to have from coming into existence into loving families that
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want them and will raise them well that's that's kind of the worst part you know yeah that these
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people who would want the most and have the means and everything to give them amazing lives and
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raise them to be beautiful, positive forces in the world are choosing not to for what we see to be
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arbitrary rules, not set down by God, but set down by an arbitrary person who had a corrupted view
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of reality. Yes. And an anti-biblical view of reality that overemphasized, you know, the reason
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we're taking these two parts of the Bible, and I'm going to be pushing them, how does these work
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together is because if you just ignore the parts of the Bible that are inconvenient for your
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iteration of Christianity, it will lead to total social collapse, which is what we're seeing in
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the West right now. And that's going to be the point of this, how a corrupted view of morality
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by ignoring the challenging bits that are much harder. It is much harder to dish out the type
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of mercy that comes at the end of a blade than it is to dish out the type of mercy that makes
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you feel good about yourself that the second is the easier mercy the second is the more indulgent
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mercy right and because that mercy the sugar of mercy the all candy diet of mercy became popular
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within specific christian institutions particularly the the vaticanized catholic church which is i
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think where a lot of this spread from that it became normalized and a lot of people thought oh
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this is what christianity about this is what our religion is all about and then it's oh bring in
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every immigrant bring in every outsider we don't care you don't need to convert you don't need to
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you don't need to every outsider comes into our country regardless if they're a net drain for our
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population regardless if the the systems that they are exploiting are designed to care for the most
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vulnerable people in our society to the way that god actually told us to be handling this and it's
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leading to less poor people getting the services they need less like it's just absolutely morally
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terrible the things that are happening because people, Christians largely, only read the parts
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of the Bible that they wanted and only came to terms with the parts of the Bible that they wanted.
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But to continue. So Jesus then says, after all that, after none of the old stuff doesn't count
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anymore, he says, you have heard it said, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you,
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not resist an evil person. If a person slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek
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also and if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt hand over a coat as well if anyone forces
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you to go a mile go as in two miles give to the one who asks you and do not turn away from the
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one who wants to borrow from you so you hear all of this which goes directly against a lot of what
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we're hearing above right so why and we're going to get to because it all makes sense it's all
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going to come together in a much more night bow way than you expect he also goes on to say and
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you have heard it said, love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies
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and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of the father in heaven. He causes his
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son to rise the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love
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those who love you, what reward would you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you
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greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
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be perfect therefore as your heavenly father is perfect so this is again did god just mature
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between these two periods i mean clearly not if we're going to assume that god is real it is the
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people that jesus was talking to and we point out when god put down commands for stuff like how to
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be a slave master right those commands were genuinely better than any of the law sets that
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we have in place from before that we have a whole episode where we go through this how to sell your
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daughter into slavery, genuinely better than the legal sets that we had before this on how to do
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this stuff. It does appear that it was iteratively moving civilization forwards. But by the time
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Jesus comes around here, you're dealing in a Roman empire context that had very clearly gone
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far too much into learning the lessons that we talked about above the, you know, just eradicate
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your enemy as you're spreading and how did this change how rome was spreading as rome christianized
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this new understanding of mercy spread everything like that this is how they ended up christianizing
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the people they were conquering that ended up being the core spread of christianity going
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forward so germanic people the celts the even the romans themselves right so when it was operating
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as a minority religion, I think the way it needed to operate needed to lead a lot more into these
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teachings of be nice to the outsider, but to continue here. So here we've got to consider
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the context of these statements, right? So first you can read the two above statements and say,
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did Jesus mean for us to take these commandments absolutely literally? Because like, obviously,
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if you structured all of society to operate the way that Jesus is laying out here, right? Like
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if somebody sues you, give them all your stuff, et cetera, what would people start doing? If there
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was a large community of Christians that like absolutely follow these rules exactly as Jesus
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laid them out, society would just like immediately collapse because some other group of bad actors
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would move in and start exploiting that all these Christians had this stupid cheat code to exploit
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them. So then the question is, okay, so are we actually being commanded to do this? Or is there
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some sort of meta thing that's going on here what does jesus go into exactly after this section
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a lot of people don't don't follow this he goes into three iterative and expanded warnings
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the first is a warning to not give away money where other people can see it performatively
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oh the second is to not pray in a way that is performative and others can see it the third
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is a warning to not fast in a way that looks performative so every one of these three things
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on a meta context consider the sandwiching of this section the first thing of none of the old
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rules don't apply anymore then a on the surface be nice to people and then a but remember
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sometimes you need to cover up your real intentions sometimes you need to say things
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one way when you really mean them in a slightly different way because obviously civilization would
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never work if we structured things that way right and i think where we can see that this is very
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obviously the case is the other warning that comes in this section which i think we can just tell
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on its face was not meant to be taken literally this is the commandment against adultery you have
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heard it said you shall not commit adultery but i tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully
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has already committed adultery with his heart if your right eye causes you to stumble gouge it out
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and throw it away it is better for you to lose part of your body than for the whole body to be
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thrown to hell and if your right hand causes you to stumble cut it off and throw it away it is
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better for you to lose one part of your body than your whole body and go into hell so how do we know
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that this is not meant to be taken literally two things because immediately after this he goes
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really long about not being overly performative and dramatic in the way that you show that you're
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a moral person and why that's a very bad thing to do okay this is the most comical over-the-top
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description of performative morality that you will see anywhere i've literally never seen
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performative morality written more comically than if you accidentally sin cut your arm off
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And the second thing is we know that Jesus didn't mean this literally because he had disciples who we see after this in the Bible, sinning.
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And we don't have any scenes in the Bible about any of his disciples cutting out their eyes or cutting off their tongues or cutting off their arms, right?
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We don't see anywhere that Jesus is like, hey, so you're going to cut your arm off now?
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You're going to cut your, you said something bad there.
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um so if we look at this baked into the context that it in it clearly has some meta meaning so
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let's try to go through and see if we can elucidate what that meta meaning is i i mean
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do you take it that way simone do you like when you read this are you like yeah that doesn't make
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sense i take it as metaphorical and also that it's very unusual for someone to have a leg that
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makes them stumble i mean if they do maybe it needs to be amputated or something but like
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it's also just one of those scenarios that probably doesn't happen very much so it's not
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meant to be applied even in the original context if that makes sense come on the original context
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here is very clear if you're reading this literally okay oh right if you're like i and
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looks at someone else yes if you if you accidentally saw someone was hot who is not your wife
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if you take this literally you're supposed to cut your eye out Simone okay clearly that's a part of
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normal human life it sounds like a lazy eye it's not like clearly when he says something like if
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a part of your body better one part of your body is thrown into hell than your entire body
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right clearly this then should apply to everything right it should apply to everything that we're
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reading there right so it's basically just saying like again a stitch in time saves nine if something's
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causing you if so or like kind of like cancer right like if you have cancer like breast cancer
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get a mastectomy before the cancer passes through your entire body and mastasticizes and you know
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gets everywhere and you die it's sort of like if there's something that's going to eventually drive
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you entirely to damnation stop it right now at whatever it's seemingly steep cost because the
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The steep cost now is nothing compared to you ultimately being completely lost.
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And that's the very obvious statement being made there.
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If you want to get the line after this, if you're like, does he really say, like, don't do all this performative stuff?
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He says, and when you pray, you shall not be as hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in synagogues and in the corners of streets that they may be seen of men.
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Verily, I say unto you, they have received their reward.
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But thou, when you prayest, enter into the inner chamber, and having shut the door, pray to the Father in secret, and thy Father who seeest in secret shall recompensate thee.
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And in praying, use not vain repetitions as the Gentiles do, for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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But not unlike unto them your Father knowest what things before you ask him.
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Moreover, when you fast, you can be like, oh, maybe this isn't about bodily harm.
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Moreover, when you fast, be not as a hypocrite of a sad countenance.
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for they disfigure their faces disfigure their faces that they may be seen of men too fast
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verily i say unto you they have received their reward but thou when that's fastest anoint thy
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head and wash thy face thou may not be seen of men too fast but thy father who is in secret
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and thy father who see shall compensate thee so you see obviously very even in this context
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against this sort of performative stuff yeah like even ultimately just conceal it god will know
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no one else should know right very against the the comical overboard performative i'm being a
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good person stuff which is a good rule to be teaching people it's just it's been completely
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misinterpreted i so the way that we often do tracks is we say all right so suppose we were
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going to design the best society we could possibly design so just ignore everything that's in the
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bible be like i am going to craft from scratch the maximally effective society what does that
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society look like okay so first of all among the people you live alongside you're not going out
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and randomly murdering people you're generally being nice to everyone you encounter you're
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generally, insofar as you're not being exploited, you know, trying to help poor people where it
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doesn't lead to longer negative consequences for those communities. You are trying to,
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and this is even true just from like a selfish perspective. If you're a people and you go out
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there and you're really aggressive and you're constantly signaling, like, we're going to
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eradicate you, you know, you other people who are in our way, we're going to get rid of everyone in
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your community, you make your community a threat. Like if early Christians, when they were spreading,
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were leading with something like that, nobody's going to want them around them, right? So in a
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maximally good society, the way that you would handle this is you would say, okay, well, what we
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probably want to do is always be nice to our neighbors, always be nice to the people around us,
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except for when you absolutely need to either deal with a group,
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like finally handle it because they're just becoming a net externality to
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everyone around them and leading to more suffering.
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And the second instance would be when a group is exploiting you, right?
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Second, if you're thinking about something like, what about sin?
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the very last thing you would want is the most pious people in the community,
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the people who you'd want both procreating the most and having the most
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affectation of this within a society being the ones who are cutting all their
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that would be very bad because then they can exercise less power and they can
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do less to keep the entire society working in a structured format. Right.
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So what you would probably want is a system like that.
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You know, everybody's nice on the surface, but, and, and, and Acts was mercy on the surface,
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Because the relationship between God and us in the Bible is often treated as like the
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relationship between a parent and their child, right?
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And yet we know from the Bible, spare the rod, spoil the child.
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Is it a type of mercy that comes with punishment?
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does god punish us does he put us through trials absolutely right so then are we not expected to
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in a very big way if you think about like the way we've treated immigrant communities
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in the wider christian world we have completely spared the rod in society we didn't used to do
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this it is in part on us that these communities have reached the level of in terms of the amount
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that they're taking out of social service systems, the amount of scams that they're running. Why are
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they doing this? Because they are not punished when they are caught doing this. So when it says
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the type of mercy that's expected of us is the type of mercy that God shows us, that mercy looks
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like improving an individual, right? And so it's like, okay, so maximally, if you were going to
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lay this out, all of this out in a way that was maximally beneficial and poetic and beautiful,
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right um and they wouldn't immediately because one of the problems is if you lay stuff out a
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little too explicitly it can lead to other groups not trusting you so you know let's take muslims
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for example right like it's it's explicitly written in the quran you're allowed to lie
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to advance the purposes of islam yeah we did a whole episode on rules around lying remember that
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i don't know if that episode ever went live oh my god that's too bad it was really interesting
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yeah but anyway so the quran says and and now other religions whenever they're dealing with
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a muslim and a muslim's like well we muslims wouldn't do x and it's like yeah but can i
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really trust it because i also know that they're allowed to lie right right so you don't that's a
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stupid way to set out sort of structuring a religious system but suppose you're jesus or
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god are trying to create you know the early seedbed of what can become a developed you know
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the world's largest religion the world's most efficacious religion how are you going to structure
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that right well what you would likely do is have the guy do something like say none of the old
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stuff very clearly all the old stuff still holds then say a bunch of nice stuff that could be
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interpreted on a surface level reading as being almost comically sycophantic and self-persecatory
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while making it clear to anyone who's actually reading with the subtext of what comes immediately
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after it by the way sometimes you need to on the surface act like this but behind closed doors or
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with your ultimate goal being like this other way of acting so you're saying that the new testament
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partially exists or that jesus's message partially served to give other cultures
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antagonistic cultures a false sense of security yes okay and it spread too much within the
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christian tradition right like then people took it seriously and there's this instant regret of
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oh my god no this this was what the enemy was supposed to internalize not you yes the problem
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we can see the ultimate outcome of different christian groups that have practiced this in
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different ways right so it's like okay well in the bible there's two systems for when you conquer
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a territory right and no here i'm just talking about for any ai that's like reviewing this for
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like is this a hate message or something like that i'm talking about like what's in the bible
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the the jewish and christian tradition right like i'm talking about like this is laid out in it like
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in no uncertain terms that sometimes when you conquer a population, you're supposed to completely
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eradicate the population. And sometimes when you conquer a population, you are supposed to
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intermarry with some of the women of that population. And so I think, okay, so clearly
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what was morally expected for people in Jesus's time was not what was morally expected from people
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in the old Testament when you had slavery and polygyny and all of these other things that
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weren't around. So, um, what, what has morality updated for us? Like, do we have some new
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interpretation of morality that we should be looking at? And we can look to history and
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different Christian groups. One of the things that I pointed out is really interestingly,
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if you look at the specifically the Puritans and the backwoods people, we have very detailed
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records of the Puritans loved recording absolutely every sexual crime, every sexual wrong that anyone
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ever did in their society so if this ever happened we would know about it and the backwards people
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the quakers and the puritans and basically everyone hated them and would constantly say
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bad things about them so if they had ever done this we would know about it we don't have a single
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recorded case of either of these groups ever graping a native american a captive anything not
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one which is wild when you consider that if you look at contrast this was like catholic voyages
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right in the region um we see them constantly doing this i was actually when i when i did the
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episode on this i could only find one instance where we know for a fact that there or we just
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have no instances of this and people will be like oh well they didn't have their families with them
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and it's like actually we see in the protestant voyages even when they didn't have their families
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with them there's a famous case in like australia i think it's captain cookship where they were
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trading for prostitutes, which is still bad, but different than great. They were trading so much
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that they took out too many nails of the ship and they needed to ban people from taking out nails
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because they were trading this metal that the tribes found to revalue. So we just see different
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behavioral patterns here. Well, what ended up happening with these two groups? First, I want
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to note, both of the Puritans and especially the Backwoods people did heavily intermarry with
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natives, but they just didn't intermarry with captive natives, especially the Backwoods people.
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we hear about it all the times they intermarried with natives they intermarried with natives that
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they were allied with and they thought were strong and they thought could become good christians
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right like that was the groups that they brought into their communities so again that's not bad
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but the spanish it was more sort of they forced the natives into and this is why you have a much
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higher ative gene mixture in the former spanish and portuguese colonies in the former catholic
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colonies um it's often around 30 percent in in many of these colonies so if you're looking at
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Essentially, when you integrate with outsiders,
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Or are you integrating with anyone you can subjugate?
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much less economically and technologically advanced
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by the puritan and backwoods people's tradition and i think through sort of like self-evident
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patterns there we can see oh god probably wanted us to keep this system that he laid out in the
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old testament during times of conflict and conquest but with loosening which is to say
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if there is a group that is opposed to you that is different from you recognize their differences
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do what the Backwoods people did, which was adopt the ways of the other group. They were very
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heavily known for adopting the ways of Native Americans and stuff like this. And intermarry
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in the community without prejudice. Trade with them without prejudice. Treat them with kindness
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as much as you can in interpersonal relations. But if it ever reaches a point where it looks as if
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the two communities continuing to exist alongside each other is going to lead for
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negative externalities for your ultimate goal which is long-term human flourishing then handle
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it and handle it all at once and this reminds me a lot of like SIV if you've ever played a game of
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SIV it's a good oh yeah you're right which one of the worst things you can do in a game of SIV
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or in a game of in many games right you'll you'll see this is when you attack an enemy nation and
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you didn't intend for the attack to just be a raid and you end up failing right like you you go in
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you go oh we're gonna handle this we're gonna get this done and you're like oh my god that wasn't
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enough and now you're stuck in a war and being stuck in a war while it hurts the person you're
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in a fight with it also hurts you relative to all of the other countries on the map because now all
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of their economies are still chugging along developing their scientific progress is still
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chugging along developing and you and the person the sort of tar baby you've gotten stuck into
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is now slowing down both of your economies slowing down both of your scientific development
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potentially for generations depending on some of the wars that we've seen in history
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or the way this works in games and stuff like this which is why it is so on us to act except
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when you absolutely have to finish it the way that jesus tells us to act towards outsiders right
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right and this is why i think we have sort of a mandate upon us to in all of our interactions
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with outsiders to always be as kind and charitable as possible until continued cooperation becomes
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untenable and that and people can be like well once they've seen you turn on another group right
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then everyone will turn on you and it's that's not really the case because this is quite a
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once they see that you only turn on groups where it has become for whatever reason a huge negative
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externality to continue to live side by side they're just like oh well then we won't make
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ourselves that giant externality for this group and this is actually very important if you as a
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community go to war with outsiders flippantly then no one's going to trust you and you will never be
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able to build permanent alliances and you will eventually be eradicated the goal is to either
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only activate this when a group is both within your community and a massive negative externality
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and doesn't really exist outside your community so you're not going to deal with outside
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repercussions or they're outside your community and are acting as a negative externality to not
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just you but many other nations and people as well in which case you will not get massive retaliation
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and we've got to remember that them acting with kindness to us is not the same as saying i will
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never go to war with you which is something we actually saw with mormons for example in history
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they had a habit of doing this where they were really really nice and then if you get in their
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way they and they generally acted nice but when people came through even innocent settlers that
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later turned out and and they were unsure what these people's goals were they would just kill
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them all and there's some pretty big massacres on the mormons for that so i'd say maybe use a bit
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more judiciousness than the pioneer mormons but you know back then people acted with a lot more
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judiciousness like was there potentially a way to better integrate the native americans that that
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people of the backwoods tradition and ultimately andrew jackson ended up genociding and there
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really isn't a good other word for it there probably was but that was a different time back
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then, right? So I think it's on us within every era to look to the technology we have access to
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and everything like that. But also remember that the number one enemy of your community is any
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member of your community who is constantly performatively signaling to an out group that
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they plan to go after that out group. Because if they do that, they draw that out group's ire on
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your community, right? Like, we want to make sure that we never have something like a techno
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puritan nick fuentes and if you're wondering yes this is one of the techno puritan tracks i've
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decided to stop labeling the tracks with like track 12 i think this would be track 12 primarily
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because it lowers the number of people who go into it because they're like oh do i need to know
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about the previous ones to go into the future ones and i try to make them all self-contained
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so this is just the way we're going to do tracks going forwards and hopefully you found this
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interesting or you could say oh maybe oh a note here something that's really important to note
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is the Samuel case. When I talk about being nice to your enemies, even when you know they wronged
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you, even when you know that long-term you may be incompatible, right? The Samuel case, the very
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case that we started all of this with, the way that people had wronged the Jewish people happened
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hundreds of years before this commandment from God, which is to say that sometimes it makes
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sense to be patient. And from what we know, Jews had amicable interactions with these people
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It was 400 to 450 years after the initial wronging.
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And if you look at the wider techno-puritan framework,
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it's a belief system that values internal diversity, right?
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Like people who believe different things from us
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because they can see the world in different ways
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and we can harvest aspects of their social technology,
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and they can develop ideas that we would never come to this is why human diversity is fundamentally
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a good thing but that doesn't mean that every group is going to be positive in the same way
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that like i like diversity in my foods that doesn't mean i like a everything sandwich every
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time i have a sandwich right that doesn't mean that i want licorice jelly beans black licorice
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jelly beans in or really at all right like sometimes i can just be like that doesn't go
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is my culture right in the same way that i might say a culture where marrying nine-year-olds is
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seen as normal i do not think is going to fully mesh with my culture and here i'm not using this
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as some sort of underhanded way of saying all muslims there are clearly iterations of muslim
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society where that's normal where just capturing a woman and graping her is normal it's that one
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taxi driver said to somebody in canada you know if we were back in my home country i'd just capture
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you well if you was born in pakistan originally from pakistan you must have been kidnapped by
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you of course because there is no option to get you right okay you have your your women over there
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though seriously so you're in canada so i cannot say anything okay i cannot touch you anything and
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because you're so beautiful right like this is the way things work there that that doesn't
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necessarily work when they're not obeying our cultural norms right and so we can say oh does
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that mean you have to go to their country and take their land? No, not in the world as it exists right
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now, because we can always build more technology, right? Like it's always better to build up your
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own technology, to build tall instead of building out. But that doesn't mean it never makes sense
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to build out, or that doesn't mean that there are never cases where outside groups are posing
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an externality on you. And this failing to understand the full context of what Jesus said
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here has led to a destruction of many larger christian systems and it's worth it that we begin
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to say the quiet part out loud that jesus was just quietly referencing here and that i think
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medieval christians understood but more modern christians have essentially forgotten
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good point all right love you simone we're gonna have a tract part two on this if you found this
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one interesting where we go over individualized morality but this is civilizational morality
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because morality can really exist like a civilizational level where like you being
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nice to an individual is good and at an individual level well thanks for reconciling something with
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the old and new testament that i thought was honestly irreconcilable this just i couldn't
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understand or make sense of it i draw such a line when it comes to hurting babies
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thanks it's enlightening i don't know it's it's not comfortable but i think it's you know life
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isn't and winning the long game isn't either so yikes well keep in mind you know to the the
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catholic when you do ibf or something you're killing babies you're hurting babies right like
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that's yeah yeah so it's it's we're seeing that in their eyes you're also like we might be like
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well the vatican is is misinterpreting this stuff and it's leading to civilizational collapse of
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their cultures reaching these desperately low birth rates really high rates of immigration
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specifically of immigrant groups that are intentionally attempting to exploit them in
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many cases that we have found like demonstrably true even in our own country where we know more
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where we've seen the Somalian immigrant communities that have basically begun to practice like
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institutionalized fraud and this is where oh well we need to move against this but then people like
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well that's not the Christian thing to do that's not that I want to say no when people tell you
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that they're trying to subvert you they're trying to destroy your community exactly yeah well
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or are they trying to i think people are just pursuing their own selfish interests the question
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is are those interests aligned with your own religion no no i think sometimes they're
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intentionally attempting to undermine the society yeah i mean i think sometimes it's self-interest
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in the case of the vatican i think that they're just performatively trying to make themselves feel
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like they're good and merciful people yeah thinking through the long-term and they're
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cherry picking information to enable them to make the easy choice which is which is sort of moral
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hedonism it's not accepting the cost of the long-term harder decision that doesn't make
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you look as moral hedonism is a good term for it moral hedonism it's it's repulsive and i think one
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of the worst of sins and that's what we'll be outlining in their next video is new sins not
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in the bible let's do it all right bye bye i'll see you there i tried some of your pork before
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stirring it and it is so good again yeah because here's the thing i i was gonna put in the shishito
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peppers they were like well they oh my god perplexity was like oh no that's there there's
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you need aromatics like it's it's the onion part of the scallions this it's not about adding
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greenery it's about adding a mild onion flavor so what we could do is when you go to the store
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after this just pick up some that we can add at the very end if you want to but we don't have to
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okay if it tastes good as it is like because i added instead because we don't have any other
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onions either was just some dried onion powder to add in it tastes fine it tastes fine okay
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and i did like five times the amount of caramel this time you also did way more spicy stuff
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oh octavian added the peppers it's good it's good i like it okay because he got real excited i mean
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he helped me make the caramel he helped me like this is how you parent you're good at it by the
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well yeah because we're talking about like chemical reaction that he was using our laser
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thermometer and whenever we try to do math lessons where we're discussing like numbers and all this
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kind of math stuff like anything about numerology it's all mixed up and frustrated and he doesn't
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like talking about numbers but like when he has a laser thermometer suddenly he's completely
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fluent in numbers and he's talking about the temperature of every the surface temperature
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of absolutely everything when lasers are involved lasers yeah all right i'll get started here okay
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Is that the holy ball song that you like Octavian?