Based Camp - Communism's Age of Consent Problem (Why Were So Many Communists PDA Files)

00:00:00.000 Wherever you have socialists or communists, you have a push to erode and decrease the age of consent.

00:00:08.720 Wow. Okay.

00:00:10.620 So I'll just go over some examples here.

00:00:12.480 The Communist Party of Great Britain, this party supported abolishing the age of consent altogether.

00:00:17.160 The Italian communists, in 1985, the Italian communists attempted to lower the age of consent to 12.

00:00:22.560 Woo! Yay! 1.00

00:00:24.520 The Dutch Pacifist Socialist Party, which is a communist-slash-socialist group, in 1979, they supported a petition to lower the age of consent to 12.

00:00:35.040 And I have read that in parts of the USSR, it was 12.5 years.

00:00:40.860 Now-

00:00:41.440 Oh, 12 and a half, those prudes. Lord almighty, can you believe? That's, I mean, that's young.

00:00:48.360 You are intrinsically creating a class distinction by denying sexual access.

00:00:54.080 Would you like to know more?

00:00:55.400 I'm excited for this. You have me so intrigued. I have no idea how this, what? And how do you learn of these things?

00:01:03.360 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.

00:01:05.600 Hey, this episode was inspired by a question that you had asked me before.

00:01:12.340 And we had done an episode on this, which is the concept of a classless society and its intrinsic 0.99

00:01:19.620 impossibility because there are certain assets that humans desire, which are not in infinite supply

00:01:28.040 and intrinsically cannot be made in infinite supply, with the key one we focused on there

00:01:34.540 as being the attention of other human beings. Some humans will always have more attention than

00:01:40.100 other humans. And that allows them access to certain privileges and abilities. And we see this

00:01:46.880 in our world right now. Like, what do the young people want? It's attention. That's what they want

00:01:51.420 the money for. That's what, that's why being a YouTuber is like one of the most desired career

00:01:56.820 trajectories these days. It is because of the value of other humans' attention, which of course

00:02:04.080 cannot be communalized, not without serious human rights violations happening and removing

00:02:09.800 most of humanity's free will. Well, in that conversation, I began thinking about other things

00:02:19.060 that humans desire. And of course, you know, when people talk about communism, they're usually

00:02:24.520 thinking about things like food and housing. But in terms of our like evolutionary pressures,

00:02:29.980 food and housing were always an ins to a mean, which was breeding. Right. Food and housing is what 1.00

00:02:35.700 you do to reproduce successfully. So one of humanity's strongest built-in desires is to breed,

00:02:46.780 to have sex with individuals. And with men, this desire, I argue in a previous take,

00:02:52.260 the barbarians versus wife sexuality framework, likely bifurcated. So you have one form of sexuality 0.80

00:02:59.820 for somebody you see as a close long-term partner. And then you have one form of sexual profile for

00:03:05.780 the people you see as disposable conquests, likely mirroring the way that you ancestors would have

00:03:11.500 treated people and spread their genes when conquering territories, which of course was a major way to,

00:03:17.620 you know, get a lot of babies in a short period of time. 0.69

00:03:19.960 Well, when you look at human genes, it appears that that indeed was the case. Like it shows up in

00:03:26.140 our genetics.

00:03:28.140 But then so does, how does communism deal with the fact that people can decline consent?

00:03:33.760 Right. At the end of the day, is not a woman's body the highest all means of production? You know, 1.00

00:03:39.900 if you want to seize the means of production that is controlled by one cast of people so that other

00:03:45.880 cast of people cannot freely access it, well, that puts women in a very precarious position because 1.00

00:03:52.140 they are born as a group of people with access to a resource, one of the most critical resources in

00:03:59.280 society that another group of people is not born with. Therefore, they are born with an intrinsic

00:04:05.360 privilege. Like somebody, one, somebody sexually might be more desirable than other individuals.

00:04:12.900 Yeah. Which inherently, I guess, is anti-communist because it creates class, to your point.

00:04:19.380 Well, I think in a way, this is what this movement that you see among women, where they will say all

00:04:25.520 women are equally attractive. 1.00

00:04:27.420 Yeah. It's a very communist kind of take. Yeah.

00:04:30.320 Well, they, they believe that, and you see this, this is, this is actually how they deal with this

00:04:36.300 particular problem. And it's, it's been very fascinating to watch the Hays, the healthy at

00:04:39.680 every size movement and other like fat acceptance movements, try to convince us men that the reason

00:04:47.180 we prefer skinny women to obese women is because we've been socialized to prefer skinny women to obese 1.00

00:04:53.980 women. And actually I've sort of seen this across the board within online socialization.

00:05:00.320 Circles is this idea that the things that some humans find attractive, they only find attractive

00:05:07.560 because of socialization and not because of an inherent desire for X or Y to be attractive or X or Y

00:05:15.840 being a sign of fitness. I think the extreme form of this we're seeing now is the idea of lady dick, 0.99

00:05:22.020 as you've heard. Girl dick, yeah. 1.00

00:05:23.800 Yeah. You know, trans women who have not undergone surgery and still have male genitalia say it's not 1.00

00:05:30.260 male genitalia, it's female genitalia. And if you lesbian won't have sex with me, it is because you 1.00

00:05:36.000 are transphobic. You learned from society what women are supposed to look like, but actually if you 1.00

00:05:41.580 remove the socialization, you are equally attracted to everyone is sort of the, the idea behind this,

00:05:48.000 which is really interesting way to relate to sexuality and obviously very problematic because

00:05:53.180 it is not at all correlated with actual human biology and fundamentally overrides the concept

00:06:00.180 of consent. Right. But it goes further than that. So I began to dig deeper to try to get in mind

00:06:07.220 communist founding fathers, what did they think about sexuality? What did they think about sexual

00:06:10.520 consent? Okay. And what did they think that that consent could happen? And one of the things-

00:06:14.200 Did they talk about sex? Oh yeah. Yeah. Foucault talked a lot about sex.

00:06:18.520 Wow. Okay.

00:06:19.200 We'll get into it in just a second. Is sort of wherever you have socialists or communists,

00:06:24.240 you have a push to erode and decrease the age of consent.

00:06:31.200 Wow. Okay.

00:06:32.940 So I'll just go over some examples here. The Communist Party of Great Britain,

00:06:36.360 this party supported abolishing the age of consent altogether. The Italian communists in 1985,

00:06:41.580 the Italian communists attempted to lower the age of consent to 12.

00:06:44.880 Woo! Okay.

00:06:46.860 The Dutch Pacifist Socialist Party, which is a communist socialist group, in 1979,

00:06:54.020 they supported a petition to lower the age of consent to 12. And I have read that in parts of

00:06:59.900 the USSR, it was 12.5 years. Now-

00:07:03.760 Oh, 12 and a half, those prudes. Lord almighty, can you believe? That's, I mean, that's young. I can

00:07:11.040 understand. That's prepubescent.

00:07:14.580 Yeah. You know? Yeah.

00:07:17.120 But hold on. We're going further.

00:07:20.200 Hmm.

00:07:21.080 We are now going to talk about the French intellectual petitions, because this is where Foucault and some

00:07:27.200 other really famous early communist thinkers were involved in one of these petitions. So I

00:07:32.220 mentioned three, but I haven't mentioned the French one yet.

00:07:34.400 The French.

00:07:35.040 So this one has a lot more theory to talk about here. So I'll be reading a perplexity answer on

00:07:40.460 this. Okay.

00:07:41.680 In the late 1970s, several petitions were signed by prominent French intellectuals calling for

00:07:47.440 reforms to or abolition of the age of consent laws. These petitions were driven by a mix of legal,

00:07:53.580 philosophical, and sociopolitical arguments. The 1977 petition, a petition published in La

00:07:59.000 Monde, criticized the detention of Monde for nonviolent sexual offenses involving children

00:08:05.920 aged 12 through 13. In May 1977, another petition addressed the French parliament calls for the

00:08:13.140 equalization of the age of consent for homosexual and heterosexual relationships, arguing against the

00:08:18.780 discriminatory nature of the existing laws, which I actually agree for. So during this time period, 1.00

00:08:23.380 the age of consent for gay sex was higher than the age of consent for straight sex. 0.94

00:08:26.500 Oh, that's interesting. I do not agree with the 12-year age of consent law here.

00:08:32.240 Oh, I thought it was like a man-boy-lover thing.

00:08:34.540 The 1979 petition, a controversial petition published in Liberation in 1975, defended a man

00:08:41.660 arrested for sexual relations with girls aged 6 to 12, arguing that the children were quote-unquote

00:08:47.500 happy with the situation.

00:08:48.920 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:08:50.640 This petition was signed by notable figures such as Simon Ife and Jean-Louis Borey and others.

00:08:57.380 But let's talk about the specific intellectuals involved. The intellectuals involved include

00:09:01.980 Michael Foucault, Jean-Paul Sartre, and Jacques Doreta, often argued from the perspective that

00:09:08.600 questioned conventional understanding of maturity. Foucault, for instance, viewed consent as a

00:09:14.020 contractual notion and argued that it was not sufficient to measure whether harm was being

00:09:19.220 conducted. So he was against consent more broadly. This perspective is part of a broader critique

00:09:25.820 of societal norms and moral structures, which these intellectuals saw as oppressive and overly

00:09:31.260 rigid. From a Marxist viewpoint, some arguments against fixed age of consent laws stem from the

00:09:38.060 belief that the laws are idealistic and do not account for the material conditions that allow

00:09:42.640 individuals to truly understand and consent. This perspective suggests that maturity and the

00:09:47.800 ability to consent are not strictly tied to age, but to one's lived experiences and material

00:09:52.440 conditions. So that's sort of the context we're looking at here. So let's talk about why you would

00:09:58.560 want lowered age of consent if you are a communist, right? Yeah. Well, first, it is the core of

00:10:07.940 everything in communism is I want what I want. Like there are things other people have, I want those

00:10:16.220 things. The rich have things I don't have. I should have those things. Okay. And so it makes a lot of

00:10:22.640 sense to say, well, I want this person for sexual access. Therefore, how dare the government, especially 0.85

00:10:29.720 if they are not complaining about my, you know, grooming them or whatever. But I also think it brings a lot

00:10:36.100 of the modern grooming conversation into new light because it was normalized in their mindset. They're

00:10:44.320 basically like, if this person can make decisions like sentient decisions, there's no like gradient

00:10:51.760 of intellectual development within this system. The reason the age 12 was chosen, because I was

00:10:57.440 looking at this, is they argued that was the earliest a person might go through puberty. And

00:11:02.380 therefore, as soon as a person has gone through puberty, they should be able to be like, well, I guess 0.95

00:11:07.520 nobody's going to want to have sex with a prepubescent person. That seems to be the theory here,

00:11:11.300 but they may want to have sex with somebody after puberty. And so there's no understanding of

00:11:16.860 continued intellectual development. But I think that we see this again with stuff like the puberty

00:11:24.000 blocker argument we're seeing in our society now. Oh, a new age of consent argument.

00:11:28.520 12 year olds. Yeah. And they're arguing they're allowed to make this choice. What makes them less

00:11:34.480 capable? And society snaps back and says, they're not fully myelinated. They're not sexually mature. 0.86

00:11:40.460 They're not whatever. And I guess they're very similar arguments. That's, oh, goodness gracious.

00:11:45.660 Yeah. A lot of this comes from the concept of does a family, like when does a child that leave

00:11:52.220 their family's intellectual protection? Yeah. Right. Or control. I mean, it can be viewed as

00:11:58.600 positive or negative, protective or harmful. Yeah. And far progressives, you know, want to take

00:12:06.160 the perspective that because they have kids at much lower rates, um, that, you know, how do you get

00:12:12.900 access to children? If you're not having them yourself, you need to take them from other people. 0.77

00:12:17.800 And so it causes them a lot of problems that when people aren't properly, fully thinking,

00:12:24.140 like they're not properly myelinated, they're not, sorry, people should, I should explain what I mean

00:12:28.140 when I say somebody's not fully myelinated. So myelination is what allows neuron,

00:12:32.220 like action potentials to travel down our neurons very quickly. It's, it's the key thing that allows

00:12:38.040 human ends to think at all. If you look at non-myelinated species, the only way they can 1.00

00:12:44.060 increase the speed of the action potential is by making the actual neuron larger. So if you get to

00:12:50.120 things like, you know, people will talk about cephalopods, like octopus and squid being really

00:12:53.820 smart, but they actually have axons that get up to like half a centimeter wide. A lot of people

00:13:00.700 don't know this. That is, that is massive. You could never get, you could never evolve intellect

00:13:05.620 if that's the tactic you're using for increasing the speed of the, the action potential. So it's

00:13:12.600 not like myelination is like a small boost. It's actually critical for human understanding.

00:13:17.820 So you're saying it's like equivalent to upgrading from gravel roads in your mind to

00:13:22.720 paved freeways. Yeah. Full myelination doesn't happen until you're late teens.

00:13:27.940 So it was mid twenties. Yeah. Yeah. It might be mid twenties. Yeah. Mid twenties is you're

00:13:33.120 right. I'm wrong. Mid twenties. I'm going from memory here. But the point being is when

00:13:37.080 you are talking to a 12 year old, you actually have the ability to convince them of some really

00:13:42.800 crazy stuff quite easily because they're not a fully thinking human being yet. And so if you

00:13:48.860 are a, you know, a communist PDA file and you want access to children, you know, why not?

00:13:57.460 And even if you don't specifically want access to children, they are easier to access, especially

00:14:01.800 in times of poverty, which is, you know, what a lot of these times were, you know, you go

00:14:07.000 to the poor kid, you offer them, oh, you get to hang out with this famous French intellectual.

00:14:12.120 That's what I see there. What were you looking up?

00:14:13.760 I was looking up when myelination is complete. It can go up to until you're 30. And yeah,

00:14:20.540 I think it's, it's one of those things where it starts another thing. What are your thoughts

00:14:27.920 on age of consent laws, Simone? When do you think consent should be?

00:14:33.880 Yeah, that's, that's tough. I think it really depends on the context of your society as well.

00:14:39.540 And the, the presence of witnesses, I think affects things too, you know, when a guy's

00:14:45.500 like, oh yeah, they consented, you know, I think that there's a certain point at which,

00:14:52.080 and this can apply to adults too, consent or confessions only really makes sense in the

00:14:58.300 presence of like impartial witnesses who are like, yeah, there's no coercion here. There's

00:15:04.740 no, well, I mean, that's the way a lot of society used to be. So Puritan society.

00:15:09.540 Women would always have their minders with them. 1.00

00:15:11.420 We're just going to leave you two alone.

00:15:13.660 I am never alone in the company of men. I even refuse to feed my roosters without a chaperone.

00:15:21.240 Come in silence.

00:15:25.720 Sage choice, which will make our gathering a blessed evening.

00:15:29.220 I will be gone by evening. Those who court when the sun descends,

00:15:33.460 court the devil's design for certain.

00:15:35.400 Yeah. They would court with, yeah, with, with, well, they didn't call them.

00:15:38.880 But we don't have that in our society.

00:15:40.820 Yeah.

00:15:41.080 So here would be my take on existing age of consent laws. Cause I do think that there is

00:15:44.620 definitely room for modification. And I think some States have good age of consent laws and

00:15:48.440 some States have bad age of consent laws.

00:15:50.220 Oh, there's differing law in United States states.

00:15:56.040 Yeah. Yeah. When I grew up in New England, I had to be pretty aware of them because some States

00:16:00.420 have age of consent laws that are like way too easy to trip. So there were some laws in New

00:16:07.080 England when I was growing up and I don't know if they've been reformed since then, where like when,

00:16:10.880 if you were dating somebody and you had a sexual relationship and you were like both 17 or

00:16:17.420 something, right. One day when one of you would go above the age of consent and the other one was

00:16:22.220 below it, like suppose your birthdays were like three, four months apart. That'd be three,

00:16:26.480 four months where you could be charged with statutory rape and they, because the way it

00:16:31.420 worked is people over X age can't sleep with people below. Yeah. You have to stick in your 1.00

00:16:36.460 zone. Okay. Stick in your zone. That is really stupid. That is a stupid law because. Yeah. I feel

00:16:44.000 like a more consistent law would be to accuse both underage parties of. No, no, that is actually true.

00:16:50.440 In some States, both of you, if you're both under age, both violated, both the other person.

00:16:56.040 So I, I think that that is, am I okay with that? Yeah, I am okay with that. I think the banded

00:17:03.440 range is the best way to do it, which is to say if one party is below X age, the other party has to 0.60

00:17:11.220 be within X many years of them. The half plus seven rule. Or should we just, should we just legalize 0.51

00:17:17.880 the half plus seven rule? Actually. Just keep it even for fully like super old adults, you know?

00:17:25.460 I don't know if I mind doing that. That's actually probably. So if you're, if you're 40 years old,

00:17:29.240 you can't date someone who's younger than 27. So explain the half plus seven rule. The half plus

00:17:34.820 seven rule is a rule of thumb rule that at least exists in the United States as like a social

00:17:40.060 convention that you start hearing about in high school, where it's okay to date someone as long as

00:17:45.680 they're older. Like basically if they are half your age plus seven years, that's, that's sort of the

00:17:52.020 difference permitted. So if let's see, I'm 36. So the youngest I could date would be, I'm so bad at

00:18:01.940 math on the spot. Half of 36 is 13 plus 20. I can date a 20 year old boy and not be super creepy.

00:18:11.660 Yeah. Am I getting that right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, also I think another thing to talk about

00:18:17.620 is it was in communism and classless societies is the dissolution of the family as it relates to sex

00:18:26.380 and sexual access. Well, yeah, it reminds me a lot when you first started talking about this

00:18:30.660 in terms of the way that a lot of communist states or communist aspiring states, I should say,

00:18:36.540 because real communism hasn't been tried is the loss of religion, the removal of religion. And I feel

00:18:43.240 like this feels similar to that. When I read Brave New World, the one thing that seemed kind of weird to

00:18:48.320 me was, I mean, it's a communist future, like Brave New World by Aldous Huxley actually does describe a 0.54

00:18:57.340 communist world because it is like post-scarcity. Everyone has enough food. Everyone, you know, does their

00:19:02.620 job or whatever, but they also get everything they need and live in luxury. And they have one of their

00:19:08.780 many sayings is everyone belongs to everyone else. Something along those lines. You are not allowed to

00:19:13.940 be exclusive sexually with anyone. Like it's super not okay. If you're like, well, I don't really feel

00:19:19.860 like having sex with you. Actually, this is true. And we see this within modern socialist circles. 0.92

00:19:24.200 I think this is where polyamory and this idea of it becomes politicized within socialist circles.

00:19:30.040 Because I've definitely seen the politicization of polyamory. But how dare you think you own

00:19:35.880 another human being? This is, this is one of those situations where like, I feel it kind of works in

00:19:41.220 Brave New World. But to your point, Brave New World is a futuristic communist post-scarcity high-tech 0.60

00:19:47.760 utopia. And what makes this sexual element of this, we'll say like sexual communism make sense and

00:19:54.800 work. Is it one, you're only mixing within people of your social class, like alphas and betas and,

00:20:01.860 you know, whatever, like these groups that are have, like they have different levels of IQ,

00:20:06.420 different levels of interest and aptitude. They're only mixing with each other. So I think one of the

00:20:11.560 big issues that people encounter now, when they refuse sex to other people, it's like they're refusing

00:20:16.880 sex because they feel like someone is of a lower social class than them. And then there's this big,

00:20:20.840 like, oh, you don't think I'm good enough for you. And like, I think there is a distaste,

00:20:25.560 especially for women, for sleeping with people who are in some ways, like, or in multiple ways,

00:20:32.680 lower, you know, like both in looks and in social class.

00:20:35.620 Well, actually, that's a really good point. You are intrinsically creating a class distinction by

00:20:40.660 denying sexual access.

00:20:42.560 Yeah. And, but, but within Brave New World's world, you're only mixing, like if I'm a beta,

00:20:46.900 I'm only mixing with other betas. So like I'm, I'm only having sex with all betas. 0.89

00:20:51.740 I'm not like in far progressive communes and stuff like that, which is, which is what I've heard

00:20:56.640 because I read a lot of Tumblr back in the day, a lot of Tumblr in action, got a feel of the culture

00:21:01.600 that was created among the online leftists. And they definitely did have an attitude that it was

00:21:07.340 quite a thing to decline consent, especially if the person you're declining consent to is of a higher

00:21:14.540 caste than you within the, the leftist caste system. So like a white person declining consent

00:21:21.680 to a black person or a disabled person was considered particularly egregious or a-

00:21:27.140 Oh, because in leftist circles, those are of higher class.

00:21:31.820 Well, yes, they, they, they, they don't see it that way, but they're like, how dare you

00:21:36.020 decline consent to someone of my group? I'm the priest caste, right? Like I should be able to get 0.99

00:21:41.180 what I want when I want, which is interesting that they do already. They built this new caste system 0.68

00:21:46.100 that they hold to very rigidly while trying to remove class, but you see within their circles.

00:21:51.240 And I've heard this from people who have like detransitioned. One of the things that they say 1.00

00:21:55.520 that people try to do beforehand is to really make women sort of hate their bodies because they get

00:22:01.740 used sexually by the community so frequently that they begin to look upon their own bodies was

00:22:07.240 discussed. And they felt that that is what motivated transition for them. If they just felt like their

00:22:12.740 body had become so disgusting for such frequent public use and that everyone else had access to

00:22:19.020 their body when they wanted to, and that to decline consent is in like to invoke a contract. Like I have

00:22:24.600 this, you don't have this. And it's quite sad, but like, I can definitely see how that is part

00:22:28.900 of the memetic package, which helps the idea of the surgical genital mutilation spread. Like, well,

00:22:37.340 if I do this, then I'll won't be, you know, used this way anymore. And another thing that I wanted

00:22:44.480 to highlight here is the dissolution of the family unit. In many ways, a family identity is a class

00:22:50.320 identity, right? It's, I am X group. I have X hereditary connections. And that differentiates me

00:22:58.900 from other people. The goal of, you know, a classless society is to break down that connection 0.96

00:23:05.300 you have to your ancestors, that connection you have to your parents. And this is why you see,

00:23:10.460 even in like mainstream leftist movements, like BLM, the dissolution of the nuclear family as being an

00:23:15.900 important goal for them, because they see it as an intrinsic hurdle in what they want to achieve.

00:23:23.360 And if they can use, you know, a 12 year old sexuality as a bait to achieve that, then they 0.54

00:23:30.480 will. And this is where I think banded systems are really important for consent.

00:23:37.160 Banded systems. What's?

00:23:38.420 Banded systems. Below.

00:23:40.040 Oh, I see. The half plus seven rule.

00:23:42.640 It's important to pronatalism more generally. So, you know, if you look historically, you know,

00:23:47.640 I was just talking with a guy recently and he was, he said that he met his wife when they were 13

00:23:51.800 in chat rooms. Right. You is true that like your sexual system begins to come online in like this

00:23:58.360 12, 13 age range. 0.52

00:23:59.940 Yeah. And there's loads of, I mean, it's considered actually quite sweet to marry your high school

00:24:04.120 sweetheart. Right. 0.98

00:24:06.020 Right. And, and I think that, you know, we need to provide an environment where, you know,

00:24:11.660 a 13 year old can flirt online with another 13 year old without like this idea that you shouldn't

00:24:17.900 start dating until you're in college, which is basically the, the norm within the dominant

00:24:23.020 social group in our society makes it very hard to have a lot of kids because you're past most of

00:24:27.660 your peak fertility by then, you know, the age historically, you know, when most people would

00:24:32.800 have been getting married was 20 in the United States. Well, if you're getting married at 20 and

00:24:37.520 you don't start like seriously dating until 18, you, you just don't have a lot of time to figure out

00:24:44.480 what you're doing or how to secure somebody or to see a large pool of partners. But I think

00:24:48.560 realistically, like when did I really start dating, dating around 16, 16. I think that's

00:24:55.180 reasonable in general. I think the rules should be made less restrictive around regular childhood

00:25:02.440 dating stuff. For example, in many States right now, if people are going out and they're in high

00:25:09.060 school and they text each other nudes of each other. Now, both of them is in possession and can

00:25:14.720 be charged with the creation of child corn. And that is like, that's not the same thing. Like you

00:25:22.320 shouldn't have to your entire life deal with the same stigma because you did something stupid when you 0.99

00:25:32.680 were, you know, young and horny that somebody does that is like victimizing a minor. And that is like, 0.98

00:25:41.440 you know, this is also true in, in, in kid dating where I think the, the, any, any punishments

00:25:46.620 around, like if you do have a form of statutory grape for this age range, it should be far lower

00:25:54.660 punishments. If it's high schoolers and high schoolers, for example, I think that the real

00:25:59.800 evil here comes when somebody who is at a much later state of myelination is manipulating somebody

00:26:08.820 of a much lower state of myelination. And I would also notice here that nature sort of makes this a

00:26:15.340 bit fairer because the male is often going to be the pursuer in this situation. And even in an

00:26:20.280 environment like high school, be dating people slightly younger than him, but females myelinate 0.99

00:26:25.300 and develop much faster than males do. So they're always going to be at a slightly higher mental

00:26:30.620 age, but in this dangerous period. And all of this for me is really downstream of not making kids

00:26:37.740 terrified of the opposite gender and dating because you do that, then they're, they're not going to 1.00

00:26:46.000 start, you know, seriously dating or engaging with the other gender until college. And it's, it's, 0.53

00:26:53.420 that gives them an incredibly short time window to figure out the most important choice they're

00:26:58.240 going to make in their life, which is who they marry. I wouldn't encourage my kids to be necessarily

00:27:03.500 having sex in high school. However, I wouldn't want them to go to jail if they do.

00:27:09.820 Another reason why I like half plus seven as a rule is that you cannot date someone older than you

00:27:16.180 until you're 14. So like that, that seems reasonable to me. And that's what 12 just seems so

00:27:23.660 wildly inappropriate. Yeah. Like even though you may be sexually coming online when you're like 12,

00:27:29.760 13 years old, I get it right. I mean, especially because people are having earlier and earlier

00:27:33.560 puberties now, you are still just getting on your feet. You don't want to start messing around that.

00:27:40.020 Like, you know, chat rooms, great, you know, but yeah, more than that. Well, I mean, it, it,

00:27:47.000 this reminds me of a, one of my good friends who is from an Indian family and we worked together when

00:27:54.180 we were at a hospital. Right. So I'd be a part of my career. I was working in schizophrenia research

00:27:59.240 and I knew him then. And so he was, you know, in college at the time and I, you know, asked him

00:28:05.160 about dating and stuff like that. And he goes, Oh, and my family, we just have this rule from his

00:28:09.560 culture. You don't date until you've got your first job until after college. You don't date in

00:28:14.480 high school. You don't date in college. You just focus on grades. And I can understand how that

00:28:19.120 would be useful in terms of accumulating like social status and wealth. But in the current

00:28:24.280 environment, like given when you exit college these days, especially if you're on a medical

00:28:29.020 trajectory, that makes finding a wife incredibly difficult. And that's one of the things I've always

00:28:34.380 worried for my kids is how do I ensure that they are dating within a safe environment, 0.66

00:28:40.500 i.e. intellectual peers. And I think that this is the thing about people when they're myelinating,

00:28:45.000 right? I don't mind, you know, a 16 year old daughter of mine or a 15 year old daughter of

00:28:52.200 mine dating a, you know, 16 or 15 year old boy, right? Like that's not something that worries me

00:28:56.940 because this person doesn't have some giant cognitive advantage that they can use to manipulate the

00:29:02.500 other person. And I think if I'm overly strict in banning them, then groups like these communist

00:29:07.740 groups and stuff like that. Like if you disallow your kids from, from flirting or safe childhood

00:29:13.800 dating, you provide an outlet for people who are promoting dangerous childhood dating where they go

00:29:21.280 further than they should for their particular age range or where they're dating outside of like

00:29:25.180 cognitively safe pools to come in and target those kids because the kids it's like, well, with my

00:29:30.780 parents, it's all or nothing. So, you know, if I'm dating anyone, it's the same as dating anyone,

00:29:35.140 you know, everyone. And so the only way you can prevent that is by putting reasonable restrictions

00:29:40.700 around what they're doing there. This, basically the way that we have planned on doing this is we've

00:29:46.160 built this network that we've talked about for our kids where we have other families with kids around

00:29:51.500 their age range. And we want to create an online community where they can chat with those kids

00:29:57.300 and, and, and get to know these kids with the understanding that unlike other online communities,

00:30:01.180 if they make a friend or they make a girlfriend here, they can go do a sending out where they go

00:30:05.780 stay with that person's family for a couple months, or that person comes and stays with us for a couple

00:30:10.440 months as a way to get to know the person. But all of this is obviously with the presumption of heavy

00:30:17.340 parental supervision, but this, this allows them, you know, if they have access to this, then they're less

00:30:23.920 likely to be forming attachments to random strangers online, which is, you know, I think where the real

00:30:30.020 danger comes into play, especially with online influencers. Cause I can only imagine if I was

00:30:35.440 like an online influencer when I was like 18 or something like that, at like peak, like a sexual

00:30:43.060 desire, that is definitely a position I would have been like, Oh, I have all these girls throwing 1.00

00:30:48.220 themselves at me. I'm just going to use this position to, you know, get whatever I want in

00:30:54.100 the moment. Like it's, it's, it's, I understand how so many people at those ages end up getting into

00:30:58.980 trouble. Yeah. But do you have any final thoughts on communism and age of consent laws?

00:31:08.200 Yeah, I think I'm just going to say, I think brave new world got it right because it's the only

00:31:12.980 scenario in which I could really see the free sex that would be required of communism to work.

00:31:17.640 And this is a world in which humans are engineered. So also like everyone's at the equal level of

00:31:22.500 attractiveness. Everyone's kind of a clone, you know, they all look the same. So you're not even

00:31:26.400 dealing with like, Oh, like you're kind of gross. You know, everyone's totally in the same league

00:31:31.260 socially, cognitively and attractively. And they all share exactly the same culture. So there's not

00:31:39.300 even an issue there. So I'm saying that like, there are, there is a scenario in which it could work.

00:31:44.480 Well, I know, but I mean, I'll give you my scenario for a good word, but here's what I

00:31:49.440 would put as age of consent. Okay. Oh, age of consent. I think seven, that's it. Well, yeah.

00:31:55.900 Okay. Half plus seven. We know, but I think you need the banding other, otherwise you, you don't.

00:32:03.740 Okay. You could do a half plus seven. Then it is the older person because it isn't actually encoded

00:32:08.260 into law in a lot of places. The younger person and the older person are both considered violating

00:32:11.860 graping the other. Yeah. The older person who's committing the grape. That is the way I would

00:32:16.540 handle it. Now in a future society, how would I handle this? I would say that we should just

00:32:21.700 remove sexual impulses. I think that they are most useless of all of humans' desires. They are, 0.83

00:32:28.900 I mean, it was to ensure that our ancestors who couldn't figure out to put the thing in the thing,

00:32:33.880 and that makes babies and babies are good to make babies through like pure biological impulses.

00:32:40.540 I want to enter a world where when people have kids, it's because they have chosen to have kids.

00:32:45.280 And there is no accidents. There is no anything like that. It is.

00:32:49.680 In addition, this would do wonders to the quality of partnerships that people were forming,

00:32:54.960 because there isn't this externality that's not really tied to the quality of a relationship,

00:33:00.680 i.e. how hot you found someone. In general, this is going to be how I'm going to teach my kids to

00:33:05.600 think about looking for partners. And if any of our audience isn't married yet, it's how I would

00:33:09.900 encourage you to think about looking for partners. What you are looking for is the mother or father

00:33:17.020 of your children. Every criteria you're using to judge whether or not you should date someone,

00:33:22.440 and then whether or not you should escalate that relationship, should not be how turned on by them

00:33:27.140 you are. It should be, is this person going to be a good mother or father to my children? And then

00:33:33.360 secondarily, a good partner to me. And I guess I didn't really, when I was younger,

00:33:37.420 realized that that was the choice I was making. You know, every time I see Simone interacting with

00:33:41.980 our kids, and I see what an amazing mother she is, and I'm so grateful for the choice I made,

00:33:46.560 I realized I didn't understand the weight of the choice when I was making it. I, I, I, even me,

00:33:52.880 I was, you know, it was 50%. You know, how much do I like dating this person? How much do I like

00:33:59.380 being around this person? How much do I like sex with this person? How hot is this person? 0.99

00:34:03.700 How much is she going to augment my status within the communities I'm in? And that was just a huge

00:34:08.800 mistake, because that wasn't what I should have been. I mean, I, I locked into a good choice, but

00:34:12.920 I would encourage our listeners to really, really, really discount how the, the whole, how much a

00:34:21.340 person turns you on part of dating. Also, living was in a community that had had its arousal pathways

00:34:27.860 removed, or did not use them when it was choosing partners, would have two really, really huge

00:34:32.260 positive externalities. One is that men would no longer have the incentive to signal to women that

00:34:39.400 they were interested in longer term relationships than they really were to gain sexual access,

00:34:44.380 because men have higher value within the marriage marketplace, and women have higher value within 0.99

00:34:49.040 the sexual marketplace. So men will often try to convince a woman that they're interested in

00:34:53.860 something more serious than they are to get her to put out, which is really bad for women. But then men

00:34:59.420 have this, the inverse problem, which is a lot of women come to believe that their value on a marriage 1.00

00:35:05.180 marketplace is their value on a sexual marketplace, when it just isn't. A woman can get a much more 1.00

00:35:09.940 attractive, wealthy, competent guy to sleep with her than she can get to settle down with her for.

00:35:14.860 I think what should be obvious reasons, but if you removed recreational sex from the community,

00:35:21.900 or at least the desire for recreational sex, the, is anything other than like a training to get good

00:35:28.440 so that it can be, I guess, used to manipulate communities that still have their arousal

00:35:32.840 pathways, it would, it would really help fix a lot of the problems of modern dating.

00:35:38.740 Well, so if you would remove sex, would you also remove food? Because it's, I feel like they're very

00:35:44.600 much the same thing, you know, it's a survival instinct. And, you know, assuming we live in a

00:35:49.360 future where you could probably have like some kind of internal IV drug.

00:35:51.840 Oh, absolutely. I, I, I, yeah, that'd probably be the next one. It would, it would be, uh, arousal

00:35:56.280 pathways I'd remove. And I would remove the desire to eat, but not taste pathways. I think

00:36:02.420 taste pathways are enough to, you know, appreciate interesting dishes and stuff like that. But the,

00:36:09.100 the desire for food for the sake of like calorie type food, like differential calorie load.

00:36:15.580 yeah, I would remove that. I mean, I think from my perspective, all non-reproductive sex is a sin.

00:36:22.660 So it is something that I would definitely want to get rid of. Like I, I, I don't, I just don't see

00:36:30.900 the advantage. Like what's the utility of arousal? Yeah. What's the utility of eating either? And both,

00:36:38.160 when you think about them, can be pretty gross. People smacking their lips.

00:36:41.920 Except for when you eat, the sound that you make when you eat.

00:36:47.320 Well, I mean, I actually think when you speak about getting rid of eating, you're probably right.

00:36:51.360 I imagine in the future, you know, if you think of something like an infant, the way that the

00:36:56.380 mother's body is adapting nutritionally to be giving them directly in their blood supply, like the most 0.99

00:37:02.220 optimal nutrition. I think the way that we would probably want society to be structured in the future

00:37:08.360 is humans to essentially have like small backpacks that essentially. Placenta backpacks. 1.00

00:37:13.760 Yeah. Placenta backpacks. It's like optimized nutrients for their state level of health, 0.97

00:37:18.840 everything like that directly into their bloodstream. And that eating itself would be merely an artistic

00:37:25.320 experience, you know, to. Like smoking. Yeah.

00:37:28.740 Like what? Like smoking. Smoking? Yeah. But not like smoking.

00:37:34.400 Social. It's a break. You enjoy it. It's stimulating.

00:37:38.100 But it's not something that you have to do, you know, if you don't want to do it. Because eating

00:37:42.860 takes a lot of time. I mean, three meals a day that some people do. I do one meal a day. I don't

00:37:46.680 know how anyone has time for three meals a day. But it just seems like such an indulgence.

00:37:50.920 Would you agree or? When I am sleep deprived, breastfeeding or pregnant, I need it, but not 0.99

00:38:02.640 normally. Yeah. And it's a hassle. I mean, and with sexuality as well, it's one of these things

00:38:09.380 where when people are like anti-porn or anything like that, I'm like anything that can be used to

00:38:16.380 ensure that my sexuality takes up less of my mental capacity or less of my day, I think it's a good 0.96

00:38:23.260 thing. You know, I, I do not think movements that end up redirecting attentional.

00:38:29.340 Attentional.

00:38:31.300 Not attentional. More. How do I say more? Additional.

00:38:35.480 Additional mental processing to sexual thoughts, which I think things like NoFap ultimately end up

00:38:41.080 doing. It's a negative thing because it ends up dedicating more of, you know, the thing that I

00:38:47.080 am, my mental processing. To me, NoFap is a lot like Alcoholics Anonymous, right? NoFap is,

00:38:53.540 is stopping. It's, it's not like an addiction. It's worse because, you know, like I think men's need 0.98

00:39:02.460 for, we'll say release is similar to a hunger, you know, like you can't go without food. So you can't

00:39:10.420 go to like, you know, you can't go cold Turkey on food or, I mean, I would argue on any sort of

00:39:17.100 sexual related activity, especially as a man. And so then you just end up getting obsessed with it.

00:39:23.000 And then you think about it too much. It's like when you're starving, I know what it's like when

00:39:26.160 you're starving, like all you can think about is food. It's, it's literally like the only thing

00:39:30.700 that's on your mind. When am I, where can I get, what can I eat? You know, when is, when is my next meal?

00:39:34.640 And I imagine that's what it's like for people on NoFap. Maybe it's not, and hopefully it's not,

00:39:41.320 but it just seems just like AA where like, now you're stuck thinking about it for the rest of

00:39:45.560 your life. And you just have to live that way. It seems so unproductive, like all the things you

00:39:49.140 could do if you weren't focusing on not fapping. And to be clear, I don't want a brave new world,

00:39:57.880 free sex society. I'm just saying, if you have to make free sex work, that's the way to make it work.

00:40:03.540 Will it first remove arousal or to make it work?

00:40:06.260 No, I mean, that's, you don't need free sex if you don't have arousal. In the brave new world

00:40:10.040 scenario, if you have a world in which people have arousal and need sex, then a world in which people

00:40:15.800 are isolated within their own social class, bred to all look similar, think similar, and act similar,

00:40:22.960 then, you know, it's okay. It's fine. It'll work. It won't be too problematic. Although even

00:40:31.120 Huxley in the book suggests it's somewhat problematic, so whatever. But yeah, that's

00:40:37.680 age of consent at 12, too, too low. And I, I only have to add that I hope that we get to do more

00:40:45.940 episodes where you reference French works and philosophers, because again, there's nothing.

00:40:51.100 Yeah, but I also think we need to be diligent about not overly banning our kids from dating and stuff

00:40:57.480 like that. Oh, obviously not. Yeah. But again, I feel like the, the, the tacit social norms of a high

00:41:06.120 school social set, the half plus seven rule are more practical than our actual laws, which is insane.

00:41:13.340 I think a lot of what life is about and where we've kind of become derailed as a society is we've

00:41:20.660 built all these really weird complications instead of just doing kind of what makes sense. You know,

00:41:27.560 how we had like all these, there was the food pyramid and then there's, what do we have now?

00:41:32.440 It's a food pile. I can't remember. Food pile. Food box. We had the pyramid. Now it's a pile.

00:41:38.720 Like all, I can't, I don't know what it is now, but it's complicated. Can you believe that the food

00:41:43.120 pyramid, like when you think back, so people who are younger who don't know the food pyramid,

00:41:47.060 this is something that like in school I was taught, this is what you need to eat to be healthy.

00:41:50.860 And the thing it said you needed the most of was like carbs. Yeah. Like pasta. Like bread.

00:41:57.040 Now we know that you need like none of that. Yeah. Well. And it was like bread. The answer is in the

00:42:03.780 pyramid. The pyramid. That's ancient stuff you're talking about. What is it? What is it?

00:42:08.620 Fuck. We built the pyramid a long time ago to illustrate how much people should eat of the 1.00

00:42:12.720 four basic food groups. It's upside down. What? Sir, the pyramid is upside down.

00:42:19.340 Turn the pyramid upside down. It can't be serious. That would put butter and fat at the top of the

00:42:24.240 damn food pyramid. Sir, we've got a match. Didn't want you to know that. Tons of pasta. 0.99

00:42:34.960 Oh my God. I'm being so good. I'm eating my pasta. I always felt like I was being healthy when I would

00:42:40.540 eat like pasta or like French fries or like, you know, cause I needed to get all my carbs and I

00:42:47.040 just wasn't getting enough carbs. It's so hard to fit in all the carbs. Yeah. And then I think it

00:42:52.560 was, it was at the bottom bread, then vegetables and dairy. Then there, then there were fats and

00:43:00.480 meats and then just at the very top of sugar. So sugar was bad, but now we live in this world

00:43:06.000 in a society in which sugar and carbs are considered exactly the same thing. Oh yeah. Fruit was in there

00:43:12.440 somewhere. I think it was like middling. Yeah. Fruit. Middling is fruit. Who cares? Who cares

00:43:19.240 about fruit? It's the nineties. Eat your fruit loops, kid. It counts as a, as a bread. It's good.

00:43:24.900 Better. I love you, Simone. You are a spectacular wife and I am fortunate to be married to you.

00:43:30.420 And I hope that our listeners like, and subscribe. If you enjoy our content, it would mean a lot to us.

00:43:37.000 It's actually interesting. Our viewer counts have been like shooting up and like in terms of watch hours

00:43:41.220 and views for a video, our subscriber count barely budges. But I think it's because we don't ask,

00:43:46.080 you know, maybe that's what we're supposed to do if they're like, I can't subscribe.

00:43:49.900 Yeah. And we ask our son Octavian to ask our audience. And he just says that they need to

00:43:54.600 life and describe, which is not very helpful. So I guess everyone's just

00:43:58.060 life and describe people living and describing. And that's why we're not getting any more subscribers.

00:44:03.480 Very problematic. Please help us.

Based Camp - September 02, 2024

Communism's Age of Consent Problem (Why Were So Many Communists PDA Files)

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