Cottagecore Feminist to Tradwife Pipeline
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Summary
What's the difference between a San Francisco feminist and a trad wife? In this episode, we discuss the differences between the two, and how they differ in style and what they do in their spare time. We also talk about what it means to be a feminist in the 21st century, and why it's not as easy as it seems.
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Well, today we're talking about the difference between, because there's something I've been
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reflecting on a lot. Your classic, like San Francisco, Manhattan feminist, and your classic
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trad wife is really not that far. And a lot of people have been saying, oh, I want to, you know,
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convert this woman to become a, like a good trad wife or whatever. And yet what you'll see
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is that many, quote unquote, like Manhattan feminists want to be trad wives.
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I feel unbelievably betrayed by feminism. I was constantly fed this idea that women can do
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everything. We don't really need men. I kind of want to go back to some of those, some of those
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teachers and coaches and say, what hell did you mean by that? Because women can't do it all. We can't.
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I sacrificed my life for my career and regret every minute of it. One woman's raw confession
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after finding herself childless and lost at 40. What happened? He lied about going to the airport.
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And? And I said, I hope he dies in a car explosion. Lemon life is about minimizing regrets. What I'm
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trying to say is you're young and you still haven't blown it completely. You're choosing
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to say what you're a good guy. That is less cliched. I can do it. I can have an all.
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Many, quote unquote, like Manhattan feminists want to be trad wives, even the progressive ones.
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And the things that they do in their spare time, the things that they associate with
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aesthetically, the things that they even think about aspirationally are really, really in line
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with trad wife values. And that getting them onto a trad wife tract is about reframing those things
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and getting them to overcome a few key barriers that are difficult for them in terms of self,
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like internalization, but internalization about the world and not about changing their actual desires.
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And so an example I would use of this, you know, is for example, somebody's like, oh, come on,
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trad wives are nothing like San Francisco wives. You know, they like making bread. And I was like,
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have you heard about like the sourdough fad in San Francisco? Like all of the women, Simone,
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for example, you were like a hardcore SF feminist, right? Would you say?
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I don't know if I ever identified as a feminist, but yeah, I mean, like I grew up
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in the area. You wanted to keep your last name after that.
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Yeah, I was hyper progressive. So whatever that means.
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Okay. But you made your own bread in your spare time.
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You would make pastries for events. What was it like? Cupcakes and stuff like that.
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Okay. You would, you had friends at least who crocheted and created other sorts of.
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Oh yeah. And all my friends that I, many of my friends also, I, I enjoyed wearing
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vintage 1950s dresses with petticoats as my friends. Yeah.
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Or historic cosplay, which is what, what would you call trad wife outfits or what you're wearing now?
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I mean, yeah, that is interesting. The, I mean, there was this period where you, and I, I dressed
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very professionally when I was shortly after I met you. And that was because we were both trying to
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build our careers and that was the right thing to do. But when you met me, I dressed more like a trad
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wife. Sometimes, sometimes I also dress like a...
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Yeah, but you, you, you, people would have thought it was quirky. It was like a bows in your hair
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and like, like sundresses and like, it was San Francisco. But when I recontextualized, like,
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yeah, but it was also very trad wife. When I say bows, I mean, large bows, like foot long bows in her
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Hyper, hyper feminine. Yeah. And yeah, now, now I'm back to dressing like I dressed before I met you in
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terms of like cost, like cottage core costumes every day. So that's interesting.
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Even things like chickens. Okay. So do you remember the, the thing at that party where like
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the women were talking about this new fad were like, you would have to kill your own chicken
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before eating it to learn what it was like to have to kill an animal that you had eaten?
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Um, and so they would like buy and raise chickens and like, obviously some like very high status
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but you could even eat the chickens. Oh my God. And you had to kill them and be okay with that.
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Yeah. Even the hunting was a weird thing. It was like, well, you know, if I'm going to eat meat,
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I need to be conscientious about killing it. So like I go out and I go on hunting trips every
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other week or something. It's like, what? And I think that there is this, I don't want to say like
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on both sides of the dehumanization of the other to the extent that they can't see how close they are.
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How similar they are. You know, it reminds me, even when it comes to things like sort of mental
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health and peace of mind, that one episode in which Ron Swanson has, has been roped into a
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meditation class. Yeah. And everyone else is like sitting there, like struggling to, you know,
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concentrate. And he's like, I don't know what they were. All told we were in there about six hours
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and no, I was not meditating. I just stood there quietly breathing. My mind was blank.
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I don't know what the hell these other crackpots are doing.
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But I wonder, I mean, so I have a few big takeaways from this. One is I think in a large part,
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the things women want are biologically ingrained in them. I do not think that they are acculturated
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to go back to crocheting, you know, whether it's anime baubles or, you know, baby blankets.
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There is clearly something that's drawing them to this behavior, right? Like yourself,
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you did all sorts of things I would consider arts and crafts.
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Yeah. There's very little else I could call it. Like if you did it with my kids, I'd be like,
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oh, that's so sweet. Look, she's making little like pasting various different color.
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Yeah. Like carved pumpkins or holiday wreaths or all sorts of things that like, yeah,
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trad wife moms would do with their kids, but I would just do it with my friends.
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Guys don't do this stuff alone, by the way. Like guys do not like get together with a group of guys
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and like carve pumpkins in like SF. There might be like some gay groups that do or something,
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but that's like not like a guy instinct, right? It is fascinating to me that even when they demonize
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the act of motherhood and femininity, that they still do it.
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Uses to engage in this performative femininity.
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And so the first thing is, there appears to be some sort of a biological instinct here.
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What do you think is driving it with like the chickens and stuff? Because I do remember like
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chickens being high status. They were high status to you, even when you were like a feminist.
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Yeah. I grew up always wanting to have chickens, especially chickens that like blue eggs.
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I think maybe a lot of this has to do with that sort of very lesbian cottagecore concept.
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Oh, and let's talk about cottagecore. The cottagecore became like a feminist thing.
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But like also, I don't know, because like I've come across so many YouTubers who are like,
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what is more queer than cottagecore? You know, like that it is not necessarily considered to be
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a trad wife thing. And I think there's weirdly this like kind of, again, full circle thing that's
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going on. When it comes to like sort of that bucolic farm life cottagecore thing,
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a lot of people are looking to like, you know, sort of historical women doing stuff in the
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countryside. And they were often doing that alone or just in the company of other women.
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And there, there is something like they weren't doing it in the company of men and they weren't
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doing it necessarily with their heavy involvement. They were like men were off. I don't know,
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like John Adams was like putting America together and like they were off fighting wars or doing
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business or, you know, whatever, whatever it is that they were doing. And so I think that there
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became this sort of feminist fantasy around self-sufficiency on a farm, sort of running your
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own household, having your independent self-sufficient life and feeling really empowered by that. And it
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could be seen as a very, very married thing. You know, when you look at it through the little house
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on the prairie lens. Yeah. Or you could think of it as a very sort of like empowered female on her
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own lens. If you think about just like Abigail Adams in the absence of John Adams.
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Yeah, that makes sense. By the way, for people are wondering why the baby's crying so much right
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now. She probably is sick. Whatever we had last week. If you heard us dying on the podcast
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or who knows when this episode goes live, but she just needs hugs.
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She's very fussy, but she won't accept hugs. She just wants to writhe and scream endlessly.
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So that's. She's having fun with it. She's having fun. But the other thing that I wanted
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to comment on here was what this means for dating for a lot of guys, because, you know,
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I saw this 4chan green text that was, you know, being played on YouTube and everyone was like,
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oh, this is so fake. And it was of a guy and it was fake, obviously, but like they thought
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that the concept was fake, that a guy met a feminist and that she secretly wanted to be
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a trad wife and that then, you know, she ended up living, they lived together and they ended
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up happily ever after. Right. And I was like, but that is what happened to me. Like I met
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a woman who was a feminist and just through conversations, it was mostly about realizing that
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the other side wasn't an evil bugaboo and that she could make choices. The biggest thing that
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you've always described is realizing that you were allowed to choose those lifestyles.
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These women love the idea of the cottage core environment on their Pinterest, but to actually
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live in it, that's impossible. And it's like, well, look, here are the costs of living in these
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areas. Here are the costs of living here. Like it's, it's not impossible. You actually are spending
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more here when you can trust the average salary versus the average salary. And now that you
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can earn online, like, why are you doing this to yourself? It's talking them through their
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goals, both aesthetic and personal and helping them realize those goals are possible.
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To be more specific here, my early conversations with Simone were not feminism bad. It was, what
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do you want to achieve with your life? What do you think has purpose and value in life?
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And how do you plan to achieve those things? And then through walking through how she could
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achieve those things, that's where we realized that, or by walking through some of the values
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that she thought were important, that's where we ran into philosophical issues with things like
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feminism. But that wasn't the initial goal. Feminism was the roadblock to her living the life that she
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wanted to live. It was not something that I just came out objectively like, this is terrible.
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My goal always in those early conversations was to help her realize her own dreams and help ensure
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that those dreams were philosophically coherent and robust. And not being afraid. I mean, I think
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that there's different categories of feminist, right? Like there's the, I genuinely hate men category
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of feminist. Okay. But I don't think every, you know, I think that that's a smaller category,
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to be honest. Yeah. I don't, I can't think of anyone I've personally met who just really hate
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men as a woman. I have met at least two men who seem to really hate women.
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Yeah, I have two more recently. I've met more men who seem to genuinely hate women recently,
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just recently. Now I'm talking about what I've seen on now online. I see way more misandrist women,
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but that's because of the content I consume. I find that really funny. But like, yeah, I don't,
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I don't consider someone online to be even like, maybe their audience believes that. And that's what
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they say. Like they might not actually feel that. So I'm only counting like people's people whose
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behavior demonstrates like very clearly that they hold women in disdain and that they see women is
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almost subhuman. Yeah. And it hurts them in terms of dating and everything like that. But like,
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if you're a guy who doesn't feel that way, I'd say that you might be surprised at your luck
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within the quote unquote feminist dating market that the, the blue haired freaks who you have been
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avoiding may love crocheting anime characters and may love cottagecore and may love the idea of one
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day living on a farm, but they are afraid of considering that was the type of person who would
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say support Trump or something like that. And so the key isn't so much finding women who want all these
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things because so many women are just biologically programmed them to it's breaking them out of this
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box of illusions that they have been placed in that allows them to play this perpetual victim,
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which is sort of the spell cast by the urban monoculture on so many of them.
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Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know though, like, how would you navigate past the women or would you just
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write off the women who have like in their profile, like, if you even thought about voting for Trump,
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don't ever reach out to me, like, are they too radicalized to be? No, some people like debating
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and stuff like that. Like some women like that are really open to changing their minds, but you will
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know when you debate them. What I would say is, is you can tell pretty quickly which type of person
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you're dealing with in a debate. Yeah. Are they just like all Trump voters are racist? And then you're
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like, well, okay, but like 45% of Latinos voted for Trump, but they're internalized. It's like, no,
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but like, can you think about their perspective? Why might they have felt this way? Like why might
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even, even Latino women move to vote more for Trump? Like, can we talk about outside of this racism?
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Why some people feel this, if you can break them out of this. Now, what I will say is super dangerous
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is marrying one of these women as a progressive man. I would say almost never do.
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So don't, so it's consider, consider marrying a left-leaning woman. Okay. Okay. Let me,
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let me see if I'm following your reasoning here. Marrying a left-leaning woman as a right-leaning man
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is reasonable because she's probably going to see the reason behind all of your logic with time
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kind of come around. And she'll realize like the toxicity of, of a lot of her views with time.
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If you're a left-leaning man. Not with time. You don't marry her until she's realized. I guess
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I'm saying like, don't like hope she realizes after you marry. Make sure that happens first. Continue.
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And then if you're a left-leaning man, you're just going to make it worse. She's just going to end up
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hating you and everything in her life and spiral into depression. And so don't because it's almost
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like she left-leaning women can be seen as like someone with like a precancerous condition. And
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if you're right-leaning, you kind of have the cure, but if you're left-leaning, you're like an active
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carcinogen and you're like making it worse. You're like a ton of alcohol and sugar and stress on a body
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that like has potential to develop cancer versus like, no, I wouldn't say that exactly. I think
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that the left-leaning guy would think like, well, I've subdued the crazy parts. But the problem is,
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is you haven't popped the bubble. The bubble is the alternate worldview where if you are a racist in
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America, you are in a disgusting racist fascist, which you are. If you are in, in current America,
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might not have been the case before, but if you are a leftist today to any extent, you are a racist.
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You are supporting a party that supports the systemic separation of human beings based on
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their ethnic group, the systemic affordance of human dignity to different people based on their
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ethnic group or sexual preferences. And that is a worldview that if you are saying, I'm going to go
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for a more vanilla form of this, it's very easy for one partner to enter a more extreme form of this.
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The thing about breaking a woman out of this as a guy, where I would actually say,
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if you are a conservative guy and there is one of two women you're marrying,
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one has spent her entire life politically uninvolved. The other used to be a feminist,
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like my wife or, you know, something like that, but realize the wrongs of that culture,
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had the bubble burst and then ends up marrying you, you are 100,000% safer with the latter than
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the former, because the former is still susceptible to the virus. She's still susceptible to gal pals
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whispering this stuff in her ear. She's still susceptible to picking up a podcast that talks
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about this stuff. The other one, the moment you pop this bubble for one of these girls and you see
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this over and over and over again, look at our interview is like peachy keenan or something like
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this. They begin to see like all of the people who think this way is like enemies trying to ruin
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their lives again. They build up a very strong immunity to it. Now I need to state emphatically
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this unidirectionality only applies if they have already been fully converted to the urban monoculture
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and then are brought out of it. If they haven't been significantly exposed to it or they have never
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converted into it, i.e. they've never really thought about the ideas of feminism or they started as a
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conservative, a lot of these women do end up going to the urban monoculture. When I discuss this
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unidirectionality, it's only once somebody is fully bought into it, once they're broken out of it for
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the first time, that's when the immunity is had. If they have never been exposed to it or never had
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a full infection, they are still susceptible to the virus. It's almost like it's okay to fish within the
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urban monoculture because getting a fish out of the urban monoculture develops a very strong
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immunity to the urban monoculture after that. Whereas a fish that was never fully indoctrinated
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Would you say that this, have you ever seen somebody who came out of the urban monoculture
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No, honestly, yeah, it seems to be unidirectional going from
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far left to the right. And I even see this with historical, just social association, like
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the family members that I had who started out in the Hare Krishna and then ended up as conservative
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Christians. I've never seen someone go the other way. And I'm sure there are plenty of examples of
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people who were like, like the grandfather was systemically indoctrinated and his family
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didn't listen to let him listen to any other news source for like years. But other than that,
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it seems very difficult to, to get somebody who's broken out of it. But what is actually interesting
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to me is I think if somebody starts far right, even if they start far right as a wife, they are
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susceptible to this. You are actually, I would say maybe twice as safe with somebody who started
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urban monoculture and you broke them out of it. Then you are somebody who starts far right.
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And I can think of an example of this, like within my family, a wife, like after the divorce,
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where she like adopted all this feminist rhetoric and everything. Remember, she was talking to you,
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Simone, about like, don't you think you have it harder as a woman? And you were like, what are you
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talking about? Do you know who I'm talking about? Oh, with the house? Yeah, the house.
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I imagine that she held those views during her tenure in conservative culture as well.
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Based on her personality. So I'm not sure. I would say that someone who grows up very,
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very sheltered though. I mean, the one, the one case in which you very consistently see people
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who are conservative move to hyper-progressive culture is if they grew up in a sheltered bubble
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that is conservative. And then they discover that there were a certain number of lies that
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had been told to them or that there are other ways of living life that they hadn't yet really seen
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systematically in good faith torn down or questioned. Yeah. Like only just like, this is bad. Never do
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it. If you do this, you'll go to hell. Or everyone who does this is like a drug addict and terrible.
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And it turns out that's not true. And then they go hard, hard into progressive culture. So yeah,
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I guess that that's fair. Like there, there's probably a thought among many of the single young
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men, single young men who watch this podcast who are thinking, well, I'll just find a nice girl
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from a super sheltered religious conservative community. Yeah. And that that would be a very,
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very bad idea because then as soon as they get exposed to the wider world, um, they'll make a lot
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of assumptions about it being better because that's all the promises that are made by progressive
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culture are we're better. We follow the science. We are correct. We are the enlightened ones. We are the
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forward thinking ones. Um, no one, or no one's advertising the fact that it's, you know,
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actively backwards and racist and anti-science and anti-evidence and all these things, because
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that's not how that works. So yeah, I could see that being uniquely dangerous. And I, that's a very
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interesting sell. I didn't know that that's what you're going to make, uh, as an argument in this.
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Or you get to make the exact opposite argument. You get to go to the person who's been indoctrinated
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and hidden within this progressive culture, who's in Manhattan or in SF.
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And you can just be like, guess what? You've been lied to. And that's, that's a very fun sell.
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Go to that farm you've dreamed of your entire life where you can, yes, work your online job and
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spend your days crocheting and spend your days, you know, caring for chickens and, you know,
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on the cottage core property and we can have a big garden and work it together sometimes.
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Um, you know, that is, they're like, wait, wait, wait, I can have it all. It's like, yeah,
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we won't earn as much. You won't get the new computer everywhere year. You won't get the
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new gadgets. You won't get all the jewelry you want. What's the point of jewelry if I'm not
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showing off to the city friends? But yeah, I think you're right, which I think is something
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that just isn't talked about that much or isn't talked about being possible that much.
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Or when it is talked about being possible, people think it in a fetishized context where
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people are like, well, Malcolm, you built Simone. And like, that's true a lot, but it
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was because you weren't given a good framework to build yourself. And I guess my question to
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you is B is like, what, what advice would you give there? Like, how does somebody approach
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somebody was like an alternative? Like I approached you.
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Well, the most powerful thing you did was ask me what I really wanted and then help me
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get there from a first principles approach. And I think that's the thing is, is when you
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ask most progressive women, what they want, they're not taking the most efficient or effective
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or likely to succeed pathway to get there. And you can provide them with information on other
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That's a good point is start with if you're like, how do you how do you do this? Start with
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what do you want? From life? What do you want in terms of kids? What do you want in terms of family?
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And what you're going to get from these women as well is of course, I want a husband, but I'll
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never find a guy who meets those metrics. Of course, I want kids, but I never find somebody who
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meets those metrics. And many of them feel this way. Not all of them, but enough of them where
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you still are offering something of arbitrage within these markets because so few other guys
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within these markets who are actively dating are interested in providing that for these women.
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And if you want something else, you're providing something that no one else on the market is offering.
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Here's a question I have around kids. So they might be like, well, not all women want kids.
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You didn't want kids. Okay. When I talked about kids and you're like, well, I mean, if I don't have
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to leave my job, I don't have to leave my aspirations to have kids and sure I'll have kids. Cause that's
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what I asked her. I wasn't even like a trad path. I went down and she's like, I'll have kids if I don't
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have to leave my aspirations to have kids. And I was like, okay, does that mean you'll support me?
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And I was like, yeah, sure. Then if that's my backup, that works. Obviously not ideal for you
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either, but like, we, we sort of like negotiated this. And I think that like being forced to
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think through this, as soon as you started thinking about kids, you were apprehensive about
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them until you had your first, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. Before Octavian was born,
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I approached you and said, I can't guarantee you that I'll love our son. Like, I don't know.
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Yeah, you did. What can I do about this? And lo and behold, hormones work. And I love him so much
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as I love all of our children so, so, so, so much, but I don't think you can really communicate that to
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when you can't promise it either. Sometimes hormones mess up. Sometimes we have such terrible
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postpartum depression that they're like, send it back. I don't want the baby. Like this, you know,
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I'm not doing this and that's devastating. But again, it comes back to having very open and honest
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conversations with any partner that you're about to embark on a life with, whether you're male or
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female and whether they're male or female is what do you actually want with your life? And what is your
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current plan to achieve that? And what, what are more creative ways that could be achieved?
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And the most interesting things you did again with, when it came to the discussion of kids was like,
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okay, you, you say you don't want kids, but why? And it was because I didn't want to give up my career.
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There was really no other concern with that. So I think thinking about things from a first
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principle standpoint, you know, why do you have to live here? Why do you want to have this job?
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Why do you never want to get married? Why do you never want to have kids? And exploring that
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is important. And I would refer people to our other episode about the various reasons why,
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especially young, educated, affluent women don't want to have kids. We've discussed that at length
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in terms of having that kind of argument or conversation with a young woman. But yeah,
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I think another big element of this that shouldn't be understated, although it's a theme that's coming
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up in more and more episodes, is that you also just have to be good enough as a guy.
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Which is hard, given that women have, you know, really rigged the game against you by saying,
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well, you know, women have to earn the same or more as men, but men need to be better. And it's
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like, well, what do you mean men need to earn more than me? And it's like, well, you just,
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you fucking destroyed that, you idiot. Like, of course they can't earn more than you when you've
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Well, it's annoying too. Like men, men both have to earn more than women and have the same or greater
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education, which is, so it's like, oh, but you know, he like, he owns and runs an HVAC business.
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No, I would never, you know, like he's go become a destiny orbiter. Go back to that episode. Go
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become a destiny orbiter. Don't worry about it. You can feel good about yourself.
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Yeah. I mean, we, our culture does need a reset with education. It needs a reset with
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acknowledging and also being willing to acknowledge and accept various forms of value or status.
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Like you, you don't have to, like, you may have a master's and all these other things. And you need
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to acknowledge that like a guy with a very successful, like roofing business with just a
00:29:08.140
high school degree, but who makes like $300,000 a year, which is a hell of a lot more than you and
00:29:13.900
your like marketing position is higher status than you at least, you know, on, on many dimensions.
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And you should acknowledge that and take them. No, on every meaningful dimension. And I,
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and I think maybe what we can do as a society here is we need to begin to treat high education
00:29:29.440
guys as a feat as being kind of, kind of gay. It's kind of, it's kind of to have a fancy degree.
00:29:38.500
Actually, I think that's going to happen. It's going to start happening naturally as knowledge
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workers cease to exist. Oh my gosh, it's so uncomfortable. As knowledge workers cease to
00:29:49.680
exist as a profession. I think that we're going to see a return to prestige in what used to be
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seen as lower class roles, kind of like the South Park episode predicted, maybe, you know,
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where like suddenly like all these people who were seen as low class have all the...
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So gentlemen, what seems to be the problem? I got a lot of jobs here, buddy. This one paid the most
00:30:12.020
today. Pulled together and offered him $20,000. Years. Eight years I spent wasting time at stupid
00:30:20.100
college when I could have been learning how to do stuff. My baby mama won't turn on.
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We're just being busy with my various assets. You see, I've been trying to acquire some social media
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platforms. Hey, did you just outbid me to acquire Instagram? I bet I can get to space before you do.
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Note here that I do not believe that this shift is going to be primarily integrated
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by just an economic shift. Although I do think there will be an economic shift for some types of
00:30:51.060
jobs like manual labor, why manual labor would increase in value. It's one of the few things
00:30:55.740
that can't be easily automated. And it's an area where was fewer and fewer young people in the economy
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and fewer and fewer young people wanting to participate in the economy. And let's be honest,
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the specification of most men being unable to do manual labor is going to be crunched much harder
00:31:11.340
than other professions. But also what we're going to see is individuals and cultures that
00:31:16.200
are able to value men for male oriented tasks, especially when men have been frozen out of the
00:31:22.800
education system and of higher order jobs within bureaucratic systems, that those cultures are just
00:31:28.460
going to simply out replicate other cultures and be healthier than other cultures, which will lead
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Yeah, I mean, I think society is about to have a major power reshuffle, which would be a really
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interesting episode in terms of like, how a power and status hierarchies are going to
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transform themselves. But yeah, I completely agree.
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Well, any final thoughts, Simone, my wife, who I brainwashed out of, I not brainwashed out of feminism,
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you are a regular free thinking feminist woman, and I brainwashed you into a trad wife with years of
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dedicated effort. Do you do you still have free thought? Is this is this still all your opinion?
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Is the hell that you live in with a crying baby?
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It's just not the best time for us to be filming this episode with, you know, a sick baby who's not
00:32:21.880
No, but here's the thing, you still feel this way despite the sick baby.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I think, you know, one thing that I have heard from parents who like are actually
00:32:33.660
living the real, like, they have a lot of kids, you know, and in some cases, stay-at-home moms,
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is they're like, the big problem with trad wives is they do make things look too perfect, and they
00:32:43.680
they do make things look unrealistic, and they are setting people up for failure. So I guess it's
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important that people see the crying babies and the fussing sometimes, because that is absolutely a
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part of life. Just like, I would argue, these nights of existential ennui and meaninglessness and
00:33:03.120
anxiety as a hedonically oriented single woman are. You know, like, no one, no one films that. No one
00:33:11.100
films, like, you kind of just sitting, being like, both anxious and bored at the same time.
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That's a big part of, I would say, like, a single unmarried life as a woman.
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What are we doing for dinner tonight? You're gonna reheat some chicken?
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Just, it might be, I can't really tell the difference in the containers, because I haven't
00:33:37.900
labeled them, I can do that in the future. So it's either gonna be, well, one, I could
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No, not the fiery one, the one with the gochujang.
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Oh, the gochujang. If that one is still around, I'd love some. I'm okay with the curry as well.
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The curry would be for two nights, so that's a decent amount. So I'm thinking you probably
00:34:09.960
want to do the gochujang chicken, because I am also thawing out raw chicken.
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The problem is, I'm gonna be doing the gochujang chicken.
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John, the chicken is too bad. By the way, you guys don't know. Like, she's gotten fired.
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My wife, by the way, she looked up, like, recipes and stuff about how to make, like, Asian food,
00:34:25.220
because I love Asian food. And now I don't even know why to ever leave the house. Like,
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she is, she's sweet to the kids. She's sweet to me. I live in heaven, because I captured
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in Brainwast, like, a little Pikachu, like a feminist woman in San Francisco.
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And then, do you see how she stops crying as soon as she, like, somehow intuitively knows