Based Camp - Could Oppressing Men Resolve Fertility Collapse？

00:00:00.000 hello simone i am excited to be talking to you today i saw an article that changed my view

00:00:07.260 recently was sent to us by a fan on the best way to structure a religious or cultural system

00:00:14.020 to survive fertility collapse yeah forget handmaid's tale it should be a footman's story 0.95

00:00:20.540 right specifically the article argues that men need to be oppressed for us to survive

00:00:27.020 fertility collapse i read so many articles when i go into an article the article was titled

00:00:31.900 oppression of males is the gender oppression of the future and i thought it was going to be you 0.75

00:00:35.800 know sent to us by a fan some sort of like men's right thing where it's like oh you know these

00:00:39.480 days males are being more oppressed than females no males need to be oppressed by a woman a very 0.72

00:00:46.020 based woman by the way yeah she sounds dreamy need to be oppressed for an idea of some of the other 1.00

00:00:51.560 content on her blog here her blog's called wood from eden she has stuff like nudists in space 0.97

00:00:58.200 and then another one the mulberry question this time of year i suppose that the foremost question

00:01:03.520 on everyone mind is what to do with all of the mulberries these are our questions and i think

00:01:08.600 i think it's the same woman who wrote a book on raising chickens amazing so very very fun very

00:01:16.280 based to thank her and she was pointing something out now the first thing is something that most of

00:01:19.920 our fans know religiosity and gender discrimination alone like traditional gender discrimination against

00:01:27.100 women does not really protect fertility rates that much it has a small amount but not a huge amount 1.00

00:01:33.600 it is a specific religion and the specific nature of the discrimination which is protective so she writes

00:01:39.260 here very interestingly however looking closer into the matter the picture gets more complicated and

00:01:45.980 more interesting fertility rates are falling worldwide also in countries infamous for gender

00:01:51.320 inequality for example iran has a fertility rate of 1.7 and saudi arabia 2.2 that indicates that gender

00:01:58.540 inequality itself is not a magic wand to make people have more children also when people from gender

00:02:04.340 unequal countries immigrate to western societies their fertility tends to fall very quickly their children

00:02:09.740 often have as low or even lower fertility than the host population but here is where it gets wild was the line

00:02:18.820 directly after that because i did not expect this at all for example somalia has a fertility rate of around

00:02:24.900 seven somalian women who immigrated to norway in the last half century had a fertility rate of 4.5 more than any

00:02:32.340 other immigrant group the daughters of those immigrants however had a fertility rate of less than two

00:02:37.500 ah so it only takes two generations from one of these high fertility cultural groups to have it

00:02:42.340 completely washed away if they move into a prosperous environment which shows to us that the majority of

00:02:48.580 their high fertility is downstream of low prosperity this is why it's so important to talk about prosperity

00:02:54.700 induced fertility collapse and to look for cultures that have a high level of fertility despite being in

00:03:02.400 prosperous environments then she goes on to note something very interesting so she takes two sort

00:03:08.800 of prototypical high fertility cultures that we'll be going over that are high fertility even when they're

00:03:13.600 in prosperous environments specifically really three the amish the hutterites and the hasidic jews

00:03:19.440 and she points out something that is shared among these communities and there are a few things shared among

00:03:24.440 these communities but that are not found in other low-tech high religiosity religious denominations

00:03:32.120 specifically she reports on an instance and you and i have experienced this as well where she was at a port

00:03:38.760 i think in dubai or something like that and she could see all the migrant laborers and it was fascinating

00:03:44.440 because it looked like this huge collection of different cultures and and and traditional dress styles

00:03:50.520 when you looked at the women but when you looked at the men everyone was dressed the same they were all

00:03:57.960 dressed like westerners in pants jeans and shirts and shirts and in fact generally speaking in islamic

00:04:05.640 countries the only environment where simona and i have regularly seen males maintain traditional dress

00:04:12.760 is when there is a strong financial incentive for them to be doing that specifically these are upper

00:04:19.240 class individuals with like bureaucratic state basically offered jobs in the uae and saudi arabia

00:04:24.920 or qatar outside of that it's actually pretty rare especially when they immigrate to other countries

00:04:30.840 and and this is another really interesting thing so i'm gonna put pictures on the screen here

00:04:33.720 because people might not know this about hasidic jews so with amish both the men and the women look

00:04:37.640 different same as hutterites but with hasidic jews the women look very western in the way they dress 1.00

00:04:45.560 yes they have specific rituals around things like wearing wigs or hats and stuff like that

00:04:49.800 but broadly speaking they could pass for a westerner the men could not but we're going to go over

00:04:57.320 because this isn't the extent of the additional things being asked of men within these cultures i will

00:05:02.280 note here because people might hear about oh i'm saying ultra-orthodox jews males have it hard how could

00:05:07.400 you say that they don't have to do anything but study their entire lives like how is that hard women in 1.00

00:05:13.160 ultra-orthodox communities have to both make a living for the family receive a secular education

00:05:20.440 and have and raise a lot of children right the husbands only need to study and people can say

00:05:28.920 isn't that like a kusher life and i guess in a way it is but keep in mind that they have even less 0.99

00:05:36.040 freedom of what they do with their lives than women do really if they want to attain any level of 0.98

00:05:39.800 community respect and this study lifestyle is incredibly hard like you it is it is not

00:05:47.240 a slacker study lifestyle it is one of intense intense long hours and study because it is the

00:05:54.200 entire dedication of their cultural system and so if you could imagine that like the only metric you

00:06:00.280 were judged on both as a youth and an adult was your knowledge of one particular subject and everyone in

00:06:07.720 your culture agreed on that how difficultly you would be working and how stringently you would

00:06:12.920 be working within studying that subject yeah it kind of reminds me of the south korean university entrance

00:06:19.640 exam system this one measurement that you have there's one job you have and it's like the south korean system

00:06:28.040 except for a few things south korean system when you get into college if you did well in the first part of your life

00:06:34.120 you basically never have to work again oh and it never ends it never ends with this one that's the

00:06:38.520 catch yeah it never ends but two there also isn't the sense of despair because it's a true meritocracy

00:06:45.080 you are not being judged by arbitrary examiners but by your peers ability to judge your knowledge of a

00:06:51.000 topic yeah well that's also scary so i'm gonna go further here in other words ultra-orthodox jews are 1.00

00:06:57.240 educating their daughters to become both mothers and breadwinners and their sons to discuss religious texts

00:07:02.040 throughout their teens and beyond that way the daughters are encouraged to make closer contact

00:07:06.680 with mainstream society at earlier ages than their sons in their early 20s men are encouraged to spend

00:07:12.440 their entire days in religious education meanwhile their female peers are either educating themselves 0.99

00:07:18.600 for the secular labor market or providing for their families for participating in the labor market

00:07:24.440 if they are not at home taking care of children ultimately the men also enter the labor market and

00:07:29.880 start providing for the families but in many cases they are doing so years later than their wives

00:07:36.520 so if if this if we just change the genders here i think people would be like this is abusive 1.00

00:07:42.600 toward the women this is horrible what do you know their whole lives in religious study yeah people would 1.00

00:07:48.600 say that and this is the thing right where people don't see oppression when it is facing men sometimes

00:07:54.360 even male activists don't yeah instead they're like oh that's too cush for men that was the immediate

00:07:58.840 defense you came to which was interesting to an outsider the extreme amount of religious study

00:08:04.280 orthodox jewish men go through seems wasteful i think this might be a mistake those graduates from 0.99

00:08:09.480 religious schools succeed in producing what counts in today's cultural evolution children

00:08:15.560 very interesting point here as a side note many of those men are doing remarkably well financially when

00:08:20.600 they finally leave their religious schools and set out to work in branches like real estate and

00:08:24.440 accounting that if anything should put mainstream education into question in effect graduates of

00:08:30.360 religious education are kind of a control group that shows what happens when intelligent young men 0.97

00:08:35.800 do not attend mainstream university the success of the control group is a strong indication that much of

00:08:40.600 the function of the mainstream university system is in fact religious but that's another blog post so

00:08:46.360 essentially she's claiming and i agree with this claim that the point of the current educational

00:08:51.000 university system is not to educate but to indoctrinate within the urban monoculture cult 0.68

00:08:56.360 um and that if you go study a different religion if you go dedicate yourself entirely to a different

00:09:03.000 system you are not going to be significantly out competed by individuals who went through the urban

00:09:08.600 monocultural system now i will add some caveats to this really quickly so one caveat here and i've noticed

00:09:15.640 this was in the hariti uh outcome is that individuals who attempt this other mechanism of education

00:09:23.320 if they are i'd say like one and a half standard deviations or above average intelligence they

00:09:29.880 typically do as well or much better than people with secular educations but if they are below that sort

00:09:35.400 of super intelligent group they typically do much worse whereas below average intelligence hariti do 1.00

00:09:42.280 men specifically do really bad and it's because you need a level of brilliance and self-starterness

00:09:48.920 to be able to succeed without these handout jobs i don't think it's that they're less capable than the

00:09:53.800 people who are being indoctrinated within the secular system it's just that our society is run by the cult

00:09:58.920 right now and for most of the bureaucratic management cash handout positions in our society you need to show

00:10:05.080 some level of personal sacrifice for the cult or they won't let you in and so these individuals are

00:10:10.520 forced to then go work at businesses that other of their more competent hariti brethren have created 1.00

00:10:15.960 another thing i note here is a lot of people can hear this and they're like oh well this is religious

00:10:19.560 education it's not going to be that useful and i think a lot of people even ourselves sometimes may

00:10:25.320 over discount the role that the hariti are going to play in the future we'll get to the amish in a

00:10:29.640 second but it's important to note that the amish do not study after the age of 14 really for males

00:10:37.880 because pride is a sin and educating yourself too much could lead to pride they don't defend

00:10:42.600 themselves or have guns because hurting people is a sin okay that the hariti right now are pacifistic 0.87

00:10:49.560 and right now specifically they don't do military service like other jews and right now dedicate their

00:10:57.160 lives mostly to religious study does not indicate that this is true in the future and we are already

00:11:03.400 seeing shifts within this community when i asked hariti people i know or people who are affiliated

00:11:08.760 with the hariti community you know where do you see changes already in this community along these lines

00:11:14.040 one already lots of groups are doing military practices and everything like that they don't serve

00:11:19.720 in the military because they don't have to serve in the military it's not like the amish there's no 1.00

00:11:23.640 doctrine against serving in the military they just think they could choose to be studying and praying

00:11:28.760 that's more important than serving in the military for now so that's what they're going to do for the

00:11:33.240 safety of israel from their perspective but if they were ever the majority there would be no doctrinal

00:11:39.000 problem with them uh engaging in military exercises and they are already looking at doing it and i can

00:11:45.800 guarantee you they would be if you had a israeli idf staffed primarily with hariti the nature of the war that

00:11:55.960 they would be carrying out would be much less timid in the current ids uh vision of war yeah well that

00:12:03.640 you have to appreciate i mean to to a certain extent i don't like the free litter nature of their

00:12:08.760 participation now their pacifism now on the other hand yeah i appreciate the practicality of it yeah

00:12:16.440 there's there's a lot of practice it was like well if someone else is going to pay for it and handle that

00:12:20.600 i'm not going to get involved right now like obviously and you know this is this is why

00:12:25.480 tragedy the commons things play out right i mean well yeah well i think i think when you think of a

00:12:30.840 military and idf staffed primarily with hariti which is you know demographically where we're going

00:12:36.360 that could also do a lot to instead of putting the jewish population in a weaker position put them in a

00:12:42.360 stronger position because they are more likely to show the type of ruthlessness that's going to be needed

00:12:47.720 in future conflicts um in addition to that you have when people are like yeah but what about stem

00:12:54.520 education what about like advanced sciences and stuff like this this is also something that is

00:12:58.680 already becoming common in hariti communities so historically a lot of people may not know this

00:13:04.040 yes it would be shamed if you spent your spare time studying western literature and and and and you

00:13:10.280 know humanities and and stuff like that like standard hippie nonsense in these communities however

00:13:16.280 historically it has always been a medium to high status in these communities to study business and

00:13:23.160 law and a lot of them do go into business law real estate just stuff and recently and i'm not even that

00:13:29.240 recently i'm talking like past quarter century two decades it's become increasingly popular and

00:13:35.400 respected even among senior leaders in the community to consider stem study as a religious form of study

00:13:43.080 so they study stem in the natural world as a way of studying god to aid them in their intercommunity

00:13:49.080 debates about scripture which obviously has huge externalizing effects uh this is a community that

00:13:56.200 i would not write off now amish this is not going to happen with amish but we'll talk about them in a

00:13:59.800 second so that's they're all important things to know when you're thinking of this community and where

00:14:04.440 are they going to be and also how important and i think that this is another thing where people are always

00:14:08.520 like why are you guys so like philly is semitic in which you say like why are you generally err on the

00:14:15.400 side of kindness when talking about jewish populations why do you generally assume the 0.89

00:14:19.640 best of them and it's because i'm not stupid okay anyone who can see where the winds are blowing and

00:14:27.320 where the cards are falling fertility collapse wise knows that one of the largest and most powerful 0.78

00:14:33.880 factions within the future of humanity is going to be jewish much outsides compared to the power 1.00

00:14:40.440 they hold today just because their fertility rates are so much higher than any technologically

00:14:44.120 competent group in the world and they're willing to defend themselves both of which are things that

00:14:49.640 other people just aren't willing to do anymore which means that they are really set up well for

00:14:54.680 the future that we're heading into so yeah that that is why in addition to i just i just not that

00:15:00.840 i don't like them i'm just saying like you individuals who are picking fights with a group 1.00

00:15:05.560 that seems positioned to become a major power player in the future are stupid stupid in the extreme 1.00

00:15:12.840 but next let's keep going here well-behaved ultra-orthodox boys and youngest men spend almost 1.00

00:15:20.840 all the time they have studying amish young men do the opposite they are forbidden from formal 0.99

00:15:25.320 studying from the age of 14 since that might lead to pride instead they work and work and work and work

00:15:32.120 because making a living without electricity cars and varying collection of other modern machines

00:15:37.400 takes a lot of work amish and ultra-orthodox jews might not seem to have a very much in common 0.76

00:15:44.920 which makes it all the more remarkable that both groups managed to produce four times more children

00:15:51.080 in the mainstream society um and here i would know amish don't just work because it's hard to live

00:16:00.200 without these other things amish work because that is their way of worship and it is the way that they

00:16:09.240 build status within their community so amish actually and when i engage with amish communities

00:16:15.160 or mennonite communities i feel more cultural kinship with them than just about any living

00:16:22.360 cultural group i engage with um even more than jewish groups and i feel a lot of cultural kinship

00:16:27.880 with jewish groups but i feel more with amish groups and you'll see this if you watch videos i

00:16:32.440 don't know if anyone's watched videos of like amish people talking they'll be like wow they sound a lot 1.00

00:16:35.560 like malcolm and simone on a number of issues she travels more than i would i'm happy at home my husband

00:16:41.400 is very happy at home and he grew up on a farm he we live on a fruit farm and he just likes raising

00:16:47.160 fruit and that's what he does he has a really small world coming out here is about as far as

00:16:53.320 give him fruit give him pie he's good to go we're offline by ourselves we choose to live that way because

00:17:02.440 we enjoy being simple and i don't know see a lot of dangers we see a lot of dangers in having this

00:17:08.760 specifically austerity is a thing that brings austerity and hard work in and of themselves a

00:17:15.720 form of worship and that is through industry we just don't have the same technological prohibitions

00:17:21.880 they have but in regards to the way we relate to worship it is very similar to amish communities

00:17:27.720 and in addition to that the work itself sets you apart when i look at communities for communities i

00:17:33.800 respect i'm specifically looking towards communities that i see putting in this type of label now

00:17:39.400 unfortunately for the amish i also really respect pragmatism so i see the way they work as being

00:17:48.040 needlessly difficult at times which is why i have slightly more respect for mennonite communities 1.00

00:17:52.440 but within mennonite communities you'll see really interesting forms of cultural pragmatism that we've

00:17:56.440 talked about before on the show where they will for example they'll have phones so that they can use

00:18:01.640 them for like getting clients and stuff like that but they'll be locked and they'll give the locks

00:18:06.120 using special apps for mennonites to their friends and their friends will be able to unlock them when

00:18:11.880 they need to but they'll have to like tell the friends what they're going to do with the phone

00:18:14.920 the phone reports what they were doing with the phone to their friends afterwards

00:18:18.840 so you get this element of social shaming i'm like that's a really clever cultural technology that

00:18:22.840 likely leads to more like better mental health outcomes for this community now here i would note

00:18:29.720 empirically and and this is this is now to the question of do you have any thoughts before i go

00:18:34.040 further here's a moment no well i mean i think you should also sorry i do you should point out the the

00:18:39.800 lack of of practicality among the amish when it comes to their pacifism and their dependence 1.00

00:18:45.960 therefore on the oh yeah why you just do not consider them as a mainstream player in human civilization

00:18:52.520 when we do consider hereti jews too yeah so the amish live near us right um they are protected and

00:19:03.480 they don't see it this way but it's a functional truth they think that their land is protected by god

00:19:08.040 and that god is what keeps other people from taking their land from them i don't believe that i have

00:19:12.520 seen eminent domain steal their land many times it's happening right now they are protected by the state

00:19:18.680 they are protected by the police and the u.s military because if those groups didn't exist

00:19:25.000 and my ancestors like if you look at my ancestors and and their ancestors where they scuffled in the

00:19:29.560 past the old scotch-irish groups that lived in these areas they were never able to move close to our 1.00

00:19:34.840 territory because we would just kill them and take their land i'm not saying that's a good thing i'm

00:19:40.200 just saying that that was the reality of the way these two groups thought about the world so specifically 0.73

00:19:47.000 here i'm talking about the cultural group that in the book american nations is called the greater

00:19:51.800 appalachian cultural group or in the book albion seed is called the backwoods people cultural group

00:19:57.880 and the way that they saw the world was if there's a person living next to me that has a lot of stuff

00:20:05.960 and doesn't have the will to defend that stuff then it is my moral obligation to relieve them of it

00:20:13.720 this is why there's no historically relevant large settlements of amish in the greater appalachian

00:20:19.560 territory and i'll show a map right here of where the amish settlements are so you can see that this

00:20:24.840 is very much the case now obviously they don't see the world like this anymore but this is mostly

00:20:30.360 because they're living under the pox de romana at the moment and i do not know if there are not people

00:20:37.480 in the united states even today who may not still carry remnants of this mindset especially if things

00:20:46.600 got desperate i.e their kids would starve if they didn't start stealing from their neighbors

00:20:52.520 and here i would note when you look at poverty in the united states right now a lot of people don't

00:20:57.720 realize as we go into fertility collapse a lot of the social services that are supporting both the rural

00:21:04.440 and urban poor in this country are going to fall apart and as simone pointed out something like

00:21:10.520 89 of people on government services today could not handle even an unexpected thousand dollar expense

00:21:19.320 if those services disappear which in many cases are making up the majority of their caloric and housing

00:21:25.320 needs what do you think those people are going to do and how do you think we're going to keep

00:21:30.760 paying for those services as population begins to collapse but what i'm saying is sorry when i say

00:21:37.000 the pox de romana people don't know the pox de romana was a piece of rome many of the barbarian

00:21:42.200 countries may have hated rome but they also realized that the reason they weren't fighting amongst each

00:21:46.920 other is because they were living under rome the urban monoculture has a pox de romana when the united

00:21:53.320 states begins to break down in the developed country in the same way south africa has because the 0.83

00:21:57.800 developed country breaking down enters the state of economic development much worse than a developing

00:22:04.040 country at an equal level of economic like gdp a great example of this is you can compare something

00:22:09.240 like south africa and and thailand right you know they're about equal gdp but like living in south africa

00:22:15.320 is like living in road warrior basically and as we begin to break down as a country

00:22:23.080 they will either need to change their ways or they will be extinguished by neighboring groups and

00:22:29.640 pacifistic communities have been extinguished many times through history i expect them to be 1.00

00:22:33.400 extinguished before they defend themselves unless they form some sort of synergistic relationship with

00:22:38.600 a warlike people but i don't think that they would do that because they have a quite a level of disgust

00:22:43.320 towards people who defend themselves which is i think so that there there are two things that we're

00:22:48.600 looking at i mean they're more than two but what we're looking at is one both the amish and heredi

00:22:54.040 jews are interesting and that you could argue that they were oppressing men and then are more othered 1.00

00:22:59.800 their dress is more restrictive and othering and differentiated from that of the normal population

00:23:06.120 and they are more socially isolated you could argue than the rest of the population and they have

00:23:11.080 higher birth rates and that we should be looking at that from a birth rate perspective but we should also be

00:23:16.360 aware of the fact that flexibility when it comes to isolation a part of your population from the rest

00:23:23.400 of society is important if you want to maintain relevancy in the future because the future will not

00:23:30.360 necessarily protect you or provide amenities you may be depending on now like national security for

00:23:36.360 the heredi jews in israel and like sovereignty and land rights that the amish enjoy in the united states

00:23:44.440 right yes yes which is actually a really interesting point when you think about the groups that are

00:23:49.640 going to survive so when i'm looking around the world i'm not just looking at fertility rates like

00:23:54.200 fertility rates are nice but the groups need to generally have a few other things as well they

00:24:00.680 need to have fertility rates they need to have a general high level of intergenerational cultural fidelity

00:24:07.480 they need to have some degree of technophilia or at least the capacity to perform high-tech stuff

00:24:13.640 i.e. ai development ai integration physics engineering if you don't have that you're not

00:24:18.840 going to be able to war against people who do have those technologies it's like in civ you can't fight

00:24:24.280 against somebody with half their tech tree competed if you're in like the modern age you're just going

00:24:28.920 to get stomped in two seconds and as we as technology develops as you get like automated ai drone swarms this

00:24:34.920 problem becomes worse but then in addition to that the group needs to have a level of fierceness and

00:24:41.320 willingness to defend their people to the death and the amish don't have that and if you don't have 1.00

00:24:46.760 that it doesn't matter what your fertility rate is you're not going to matter in the future 0.93

00:24:50.840 variety do have that yeah i've got to keep going with the statistics here and why all right all right

00:24:56.280 we've talked about this in a number of other podcasts but i should probably mention it here if

00:25:00.840 you're looking for a model of what it looks like when a developed country starts collapsing

00:25:05.720 do not look to develop countries for a model of that look to well collapsing developed countries

00:25:10.840 a great example for one if you want to predict what the future of the united states may look

00:25:15.880 like under fertility collapse is south africa which is a great example of a collapsing developed world 1.00

00:25:22.360 economy and you just as an amish group would not be able to survive in current south africa somebody 1.00

00:25:29.080 would just come kill you and take your stuff the country's police infrastructure is not strong

00:25:36.040 enough to protect a group that is systemically unwilling to protect itself but did you have a 0.87

00:25:42.360 thought here before i go further into this well i'm wondering what you think we in our religion

00:25:50.360 techno puritanism should do to oppress men more and get to that in a second because first we need to

00:25:55.800 understand why oppressing men helps yeah okay okay so first by the stats because i think this surprises

00:26:01.880 people most of these religions that quote unquote oppress women actually have a higher rate of male

00:26:08.600 defection than female defection if you look at something like the vast majority and i'll put a study

00:26:14.280 on here on screen that shows this but take for example mormons or hutterites for example both groups

00:26:20.120 have a higher level of male defection than female defection you know this makes sense because no one wants 1.00

00:26:24.760 to be the dom because being the dom takes so much more work you know say that but like if you go to

00:26:30.040 a bdsm club it's like true like huge arbitrage opportunity to be a good dom yeah you can just

00:26:35.000 lap up sex and because there's so few of them both males and females that are like really good at it

00:26:40.120 and so yeah even even among males you know you you you get a and this is i think something i should

00:26:45.320 note while more men on average prefer to be dominant than not dominant the percent of women that

00:26:52.280 prefer a dominant partner and are heterosexual is much higher than the number of men who fall

00:26:57.960 dominant which means that there's always going to be an over selection for for for women looking for 0.96

00:27:02.120 that also and i also think part of this is when we talk about the discrimination of women we might 0.94

00:27:07.320 be underselling how much they may not be being discriminated in these roles and that things like

00:27:12.360 being a stay-at-home wife can be a pretty good gig or these days it's it's a flex these days it's a luxury 0.98

00:27:19.160 that is not afforded to most there's something like the haraidi women right like i we did an

00:27:24.920 episode recently that was on the the men's right movement misunderstands what women want

00:27:32.200 and i was like what they really want is to be a service to someone who they think is passionate

00:27:37.800 about what they're doing and living a meaningful life especially when it's a domain that they don't

00:27:41.560 engage with as much and that's why the haraidi's cultural technology and the way that they focus on

00:27:45.800 this is so high utility because these women are actually living very fulfilling lives 1.00

00:27:50.600 from the perspective of the way human females are predominantly biologically coded and for 0.97

00:27:56.680 people recently i was watching a show and i was like oh this is actually a very good depiction

00:28:01.080 of the way women actually want to relate to men instead of this typical like red pill get in the 1.00

00:28:04.520 kitchen way specifically the episode in question here was women prefer submissive roles in relationships 1.00

00:28:09.880 but not in the way you think and the core argument that we were making in it was that while it is

00:28:15.560 true that many while obviously not all women prefer a submissive role in a relationship that does not mean

00:28:22.840 that they want to be treated poorly by their partners or that they want their partners to predominantly

00:28:30.600 demonstrate dominance through putting them down and what they're really looking for is just somebody with

00:28:38.520 uh consistent in what individually thought through set of moral values as well as some vision for

00:28:45.960 their role in the world that they are genuinely passionate about and that they can have the

00:28:50.600 opportunity to support and help with which is my hero academia and the characters gentle i believe

00:28:57.000 it's gentleman criminal and labrava you haven't seen it i'll put a little clip on the screen of them

00:29:01.880 because they're a really cute couple but it does a very good job of showing the way that i think that

00:29:07.640 what women mean when they say they want a quote unquote dominant partner they want to partner 0.95

00:29:12.360 with a vision that they can assist not to be stomped on by somebody at least outside of the bedroom that's

00:29:18.040 like a different thing that we talked about that really and i think the gentle criminal labrava dynamic

00:29:23.320 works really well with this particular explanation because it curves off some of the excuses that pointing

00:29:29.720 out that girls want to be in service to a guy who has a consistent source of ethics that he has thought

00:29:35.560 through himself and that is trying to achieve something bigger in the world they can hear

00:29:41.800 that and think oh what he means is a really successful big deal guy who everyone out there respects

00:29:48.360 but not necessarily for example gentle criminal is not a well-respected individual but he is somebody

00:29:53.960 with a vision that he believes in passionately and he is trying to achieve passionately he he is

00:30:00.040 somebody with his own aesthetic and ethical sense that he believes in 100 percent and lives for and

00:30:09.800 for those reasons labrava looks up to him as a dominant figure in her life but not a figure who is

00:30:15.640 dominating her i.e uh abusing her or looking down on her or using her

00:30:22.760 i don't even have to hack your heart you're coated your love in an abstract car this dream was so

00:30:34.840 dim but you lit up my day life had no meaning you show me the way i wouldn't expect them to understand

00:30:39.800 frivolous uploads are fruit on the ground we have bigger plans i'm here to equip i think i have fallen

00:30:44.280 but must admit l-o-v-e love lights camera action cut and here are my eyes think what you want we do

00:30:51.160 with purpose not just for the block give me a purpose i give you my love the stronger it is the

00:30:55.480 stronger we are my portals are thin closer than a right hand closer to your heart than a jet stand

00:31:00.440 i'll be here when needed so please need me always dark circles around my eyes and all i see is you

00:31:06.520 engaged you'll be famous for this gentle i'm just a stage hand but i'm here to back you up and

00:31:12.600 terrify those who say you can but i need to go further here because why why is it that oppressing

00:31:19.000 men helps well first you see the the the first part of the hint there the first part of the hint

00:31:25.320 is that it turns out that the audience you're really trying to keep within your religion is

00:31:30.680 the men and not the women first of all right second also in mainstream western society women appear

00:31:37.960 more prone to adopt the dictates of society than men women go to university are de facto houses of 0.89

00:31:44.120 worship at significantly higher rates than men women also have adopted woke ideology our modern

00:31:48.920 religion to a much higher degree i think one of the main messages of sarah hardy's mother nature can 0.99

00:31:53.960 be summarized into one sentence women get slutty when men are unreliable which is more or less what

00:32:00.840 john berger and marcy guttyag say too when men are in numerically advantageous positions they become 0.90

00:32:09.800 unreliable and women respond to men's lack of reliability through competing more intensely for 0.98

00:32:15.320 men's attraction think about it a bit what sarah hardy and john bigger and marcy guttyag are actually

00:32:21.400 saying is the males are the variable sex men have two reproductive strategies between which they alternate

00:32:28.680 a high investment female like reproductive strategy and a low investment strategy that reminds us of 0.99

00:32:34.200 what most male mammals are up to meanwhile human females only have one reproductive strategy very 1.00

00:32:40.200 high investment so i need to note the studies that she's talking about here because they're actually

00:32:45.960 pretty interesting studies so it is it is it is well demonstrated that within college campuses for

00:32:51.720 example the higher the portion of the student body that is female the sluttier the females on that 1.00

00:32:58.600 campus will be the more they'll sleep around and the easier it is to get them to sleep with somebody

00:33:03.000 and the less now of course the problem is that our entire bureaucratic world the environments where

00:33:09.160 women are disproportionately finding themselves including the school system is coming hugely 1.00

00:33:13.400 overwhelmingly female and there haven't been any real efforts to reverse this because you're 1.00

00:33:16.760 which leads to terrible competitive dynamics with relationships and it leads to women beginning to 1.00

00:33:22.360 code themselves in this incredibly slutty context 0.97

00:33:27.560 and act slutty which then leads it harder to find males blah blah blah the other thing i note here is 0.90

00:33:32.920 i really do think they're right about this men are the variable sex culturally speaking so many men

00:33:38.440 they come to me and they're like well when i'm dating these women are so culturally different from me 1.00

00:33:42.840 like what am i supposed to do and i'm like well one if you started dating younger like you're supposed to

00:33:47.080 it wouldn't be much of a problem because they adapt much faster and two most women adapt to the male's 1.00

00:33:53.480 culture if the male is strong and confident and have a cohesive culture and a cohesive vision

00:33:59.240 and they are not implementing it through some sort of deontological because i told you to mindset

00:34:03.800 especially if they are embodying it themselves simone was far far far progressive when i met her

00:34:09.240 right i think that women are very comfortable changing their cultural context if either the dominant 0.99

00:34:16.040 environment they're in and this is why it gets dangerous if you're if your wife is going out

00:34:19.000 and she's not working with you the way me and my wife do you know she could be getting counter 1.00

00:34:22.200 brainwashed at work right you know who knows fair point right but both men and women sort of

00:34:27.160 brainwash themselves within relationships and are pre-coded to do this if you are really leaning into the

00:34:33.320 relationship together okay so i mean i would also i i just want to point out that one of the most

00:34:41.240 common things that you and i say in terms of when demographic collapse actually started you know

00:34:46.280 when when the titanic started heading toward the iceberg was when madden left the house it should

00:34:51.880 be no surprise to us going out that this this male oppression theme comes up with a very clever writer

00:34:58.680 who's a sub stack i can't wait to like dive into if it is a sub stack i haven't checked oh that's

00:35:03.000 actually a really interesting thing people often frame it when women started getting those first

00:35:07.320 jobs factory jobs in cities as a form of emancipation and yet we never hear about the

00:35:13.080 male emancipation of the first male job from the household yeah which really came about only about

00:35:17.320 50 to 60 years before the first female jobs became common people don't realize how recent wage labor 1.00

00:35:22.840 as a common practice is yeah so expressed in mathematical terms male reproductive strategy is the

00:35:29.400 variable female reproductive strategy is the function of that variable depending on circumstances 1.00

00:35:34.040 males will adjust their reproductive strategies females will not do that they will always try to coax 1.00

00:35:38.520 men into investing as much as possible in their children their message will follow the behavior of

00:35:43.160 the males but their objective will always be the same to obtain as much investment as possible

00:35:48.760 from as genetically desirable men as possible that seems true to me a woman is the idea of like a 0.98

00:35:57.720 monogamous like fully committed man is quite a good deal for women uh humor well it's super rare these 0.99

00:36:04.840 days right it's it's it's rare these days and it's it's rare throughout a lot of history unless you're talking

00:36:10.040 about specifically the jewish well really just the christian branch of the judeo-christian tree

00:36:14.680 no i would just i want to add that it this the modern dynamic also uniquely ruins high quality men

00:36:21.160 in other words male empowerment almost sterilizes high quality men because it it it leads them to

00:36:28.440 decision paralysis with women because they they know that they can have any woman they want and a 0.99

00:36:34.600 man who knows he can have any woman he wants is never going to want to commit to well if we have

00:36:40.360 seen this with a lot of our friends but i would note here was a caveat and the way we will avoid this

00:36:44.440 with our kids this is the case if and only if they are sorting for partners and value sex

00:36:54.360 yeah but it's most men in mainstream culture i agree but people wonder why we're so against

00:36:59.240 arousal and arousal based systems for choosing a partner and it's because it really ends up screwing 0.99

00:37:04.600 because it's dumb guys it's dumb not being so horny when you tell young people look this sex thing is 1.00

00:37:12.120 no different from cocaine it's just cocaine you have to do you can better get them to understand 1.00

00:37:17.320 that they need to be focused on a spouse who will be a good mother and a good wife and a good worker

00:37:24.680 well here's the crazy thing people intuitively know this people in droves are shooting up with ozempic

00:37:31.480 because they even know that their choice to choose yummy foods is inherently making them sick and unhealthy

00:37:39.160 and unsuccessful in life and so they're choosing to suppress their appetite and their hunger why

00:37:46.280 would people not also see the benefit in suppressing your arousal if it's leading you to make toxic

00:37:52.280 decisions that prevent you from creating a family and finding greater meaning in life like what on earth but

00:37:59.480 there's no industry there's no i guess pharmaceutical industry supporting

00:38:03.080 oh honestly though i feel like endocrine disruptors are doing a good enough job

00:38:09.080 you know screw yeah right so naturally pacifying the quote-unquote male population of gen alpha yeah

00:38:16.040 just keep wearing your synthetic clothing with microplastics keep you know microwaving your you

00:38:20.840 know plastic container dinners and please continue to use you know mainstream shampoos and lotions and

00:38:26.440 soaps go ahead just do it i admire you okay okay you're right and i appreciate all the things you

00:38:31.880 protect our family from so when did i say i was protecting our family from those things we want

00:38:37.240 to suppress arousal in our house bring on the plastic cups malcolm yeah yeah they should only be pursuing 0.72

00:38:44.600 partners because it's logical and pragmatic but truly actually no actually speaking of this

00:38:50.120 in that video where everyone was like oh my god you want to get rid of arousal patterns

00:38:54.520 and simone afterwards to me this morning she's like but like you know it's like they know i'm

00:38:59.640 asexual right like i until i met you i had never experienced real arousal before like it's not that

00:39:07.000 bad it's not this guys so be a life that they believe it is it's my life so devoid of happiness do i look like

00:39:15.960 you know i don't know a soulless depressed person maybe maybe maybe yeah the whole thing there

00:39:24.520 all right in other words under primitive circumstances human males oppress human females

00:39:29.000 for the same reason that baboon males oppress baboon females in order to maximize their own 0.77

00:39:33.960 reproductive opportunities scaring a woman into being one's wife is simply a way of getting an 1.00

00:39:39.720 additional wife or a wife gearing other men into giving up their wives is a well-known way of getting 0.96

00:39:45.240 another wife and as i wrote about the post on my post violent enough to stand still this makes

00:39:52.200 cooperation between men difficult whatever society can gather men into an army despite these differences

00:39:58.440 of opinion will win the wars if cloistering the females makes cooperation between men easier 1.00

00:40:04.360 then that is the rational way forwards so saying that this is why historically like in islamic societies

00:40:09.960 especially societies where people can take more than one wife you know it's very hard to motivate 1.00

00:40:14.280 people to go out to war because other men will take your wives while you're gone as we know from like

00:40:20.200 the tale of basheba right you know this is something that happened historically frequently if another

00:40:25.880 man saw your wife walking around being all sexy they'd be like hey baby i saw you on the roof you 1.00

00:40:30.280 were looking pretty fine i could see those ankles why don't you come back to my place but if all women 1.00

00:40:36.120 are all constantly covered then women are just traded like assets between families during marriage 1.00

00:40:42.920 ceremonies like oh we want to create a bond for our family and nobody's really concerned about what they

00:40:47.400 look like which actually makes things work much better especially when you're removing mate selection

00:40:52.120 choice from men because of arranged marriages and the like at some point however when population

00:40:57.800 increases enough for land to become scarce men will compete less over women and more over resources 0.58

00:41:03.480 i wrote about that in the price of a woman women will be increasingly irrelevant to conflicts 1.00

00:41:08.120 between men which decreases the infant the incentive to oppress them on the whole classical gender

00:41:13.880 oppression where males control particular females is a remnant from a time when females were one of 0.99

00:41:19.640 the most important resources and i actually think that's a really important point an interesting thing

00:41:25.640 that simone asked me as well when i read this the first time she goes well okay if in the old society

00:41:31.720 the way they prevented conflict and created higher trust relationship between males was to hide the value of

00:41:38.280 the female resource that each man controlled right how do people do that in the age of 1.00

00:41:45.560 capitalism right and i was like well that is why pretty much are many of the major cultural revolutions

00:41:54.280 in the post-industrial capitalist era happened in areas that were predominantly calvinist because calvinism

00:42:00.520 has more solution to that it is the wealth version of covering your wife in drapes and everything like 1.00

00:42:07.640 that and that the early puritan and other calvinist groups believed that allowing anyone else to

00:42:14.040 see your wealth or to show off with your wealth even so far as giving to charity publicly was incredibly

00:42:21.640 sinful and prideful and this is something you were supposed to hide as much as you could then this is

00:42:28.520 where there's a famous old book on capitalism that argues that it came from the communities because they

00:42:34.520 believed that okay you you god shows you how much favors you how much money you make

00:42:40.760 but he's giving you that money at the test and if you spend it on yourself that's a sin you spend it

00:42:47.400 on art that's a sin if you give it to your church you can give a little to your church but remember

00:42:52.120 the churches cannot use any art or gold or organs or pageantry which means the church really doesn't

00:42:59.320 need that much money or you could give it to charity but no you can't do that because that would be

00:43:03.720 prideful so what do you do is that you reinvest it in your company and no one else was really

00:43:07.960 reinvesting or had come up with this idea of money has no value other than to grow the company for god

00:43:13.720 to further prove to me my favor and that led to this loop that unfortunately burned itself out for

00:43:19.320 reasons we get to in other videos like where did the puritans go yeah i feel like your perception that

00:43:24.840 the protection of modern assets led to calvinism is overly optimistic and that what we're seeing today

00:43:32.600 in reality is this obsession we see among wealthy people with privacy where they're like i don't post

00:43:38.840 anything to social media and here's the thing this is totally different really completely and totally

00:43:44.920 different so i'm sorry i i hang out in wealthy culture it within current american wealthy culture

00:43:51.640 within my generation when i was growing up it was considered gauche to show off yeah particularly

00:43:57.240 within old money families we'll do another video on why most of the old money families fell apart

00:44:01.320 because they did fall apart within this last generation i can just quickly explain why it

00:44:05.240 happened the core reason it happened is i grew up with lots of like around lots of blood kids who all

00:44:10.760 expected to take over their families companies and their families sort of expected them to take over

00:44:14.520 their families companies because that is what had happened for four or five generations what they didn't

00:44:19.400 realize is that boards exist now and none of the board because this is what they weren't as common

00:44:25.560 well yeah well yeah these these companies became less privately held and more held by other investors

00:44:31.080 and boards are publicly traded etc too yeah and so little junior can't just take over anymore unless he's

00:44:37.800 got you know a stanford or harvard degree you know you you well and he's performing well it's not even

00:44:44.040 that's not even right yeah and they thought they could another thing i should note here is a lot of people

00:44:48.040 are like my views are really off because you know i have intergenerational wealth i should note i can

00:44:53.880 code switch into blue blood society but my family does not have intergenerational wealth and has not

00:45:01.720 had intergenerational wealth for generations so for example my dad made a lot of money but i didn't

00:45:08.360 inherit any money from him i didn't inherit i got like maybe like 30k when my mom died like i don't know if

00:45:14.520 that's what you consider intergenerational wealth and people would be like well then your dad must

00:45:18.360 have inherited money my dad so didn't inherit money his granddad actually took out millions of dollars

00:45:25.800 of debt in his name without his permission that is how in the whole he started his life

00:45:33.320 and yeah i i was always raised believing and my family always raised every generation believing that

00:45:37.640 you're never going to inherit anything you're not supposed to inherit anything and so i wasn't surprised

00:45:42.520 when i learned i wasn't going to inherit anything it wasn't like a big like oh okay yeah i've been

00:45:46.600 told that since i was a little kid so uh there are different ways that you can relate to

00:45:52.280 intergenerational wealth and i did have advantages knowing how to code switch growing up around those

00:45:56.840 people and having my college paid for which are all very very big things but i i i'd point out you

00:46:01.240 know they didn't even pay for for example simone's college i paid for that right like so going forward

00:46:07.080 so sorry i just need to to to explain to you so right there's been a a shift in wealthy culture

00:46:12.360 in our society where you had the old money when i was growing up which still played a big part in

00:46:16.040 like aristocratic american society and they found big spending very gauche but they had ways to

00:46:23.160 signal wealth to each other so there was still wealth status signaling but they did it stealth

00:46:29.160 wealth yes but they did it in a different way the modern not stealth wealth like what trended when

00:46:34.760 succession was out by the way like the modern super wealthy communities which we also have

00:46:39.640 connections to make no effort at all to hide their wealth why is it then that to your question some

00:46:50.280 of them care about privacy the answer to that is very very obvious i talked about another episode

00:46:57.800 they try to hide their wealth simone because when you have all the money in the world when you're in

00:47:04.520 billionaire club and you can do whatever you want the core thing of value in our existing society

00:47:10.680 because the way a billionaire can live in our society really is like 10 better than the way

00:47:15.720 somebody was like i don't know a million dollars a year can live or somebody was like half a million

00:47:20.840 dollars a year can live it's marginally better yeah probably even half a million is where you start

00:47:26.040 to see like extreme diminishing marginal returns yeah so where do they actually gain power it is through

00:47:31.880 controlling attention and controlling attention can mean either directing additional attention to you

00:47:38.360 or directing it away from you or ensuring that when attention is on you it is the type of attention

00:47:43.800 you want on you in that moment this is why the wealthiest person in the world spent a big chunk of

00:47:48.760 his money buying one of the largest social media platforms as largely a vanity project this is why you're

00:47:54.760 seeing this simone they do it they hide themselves on social media as they flex they scrub themselves

00:48:02.520 as a flex because it's expensive and hard to do that but the point i was making here was is that if you

00:48:11.640 look historically within these old puritan and calvinist traditions it would have been seen as intrinsically

00:48:17.320 low class to look well you needed to always look as if you were constantly living in a state of

00:48:26.440 deprivation this is really elevated and shown this culture very well in scrooge where it shows in the

00:48:32.440 in the scrooge christmas carol if you read it he ate gruel every day he didn't fully heat his house

00:48:38.280 he did he only had one servant he very very very dedicated living an extremely austere lifestyle

00:48:45.160 and in it he also here he never donated to charity because again that was a traditional calvinist

00:48:49.160 thing and ebenezer was considered one of the most it's it's like jewie mc jew face as a calvinist

00:48:54.120 name i don't know it would be called like somebody be called like ellie iser greenfield or something

00:48:59.240 like it's it's a very calvinist-y name so much so that ebenezer yeah having a relative with a name

00:49:05.800 ebenezer is considered a puritan spotting checklist thing so really he was just like a i call it a

00:49:10.920 corrective grape fantasy of the calvinist cultural tradition around the way you should relate to money

00:49:17.160 but to go further here simone why is it that we need to oppress men and we keep getting distracted

00:49:24.440 here well and how would we in our family religion design male oppression since we're going to be

00:49:32.680 intentional about everything that way females take over important parts of society meanwhile we are 1.00

00:49:38.520 subservient to men in one important area reproduction in theory women can have children without fathers 1.00

00:49:44.280 present technically we can use men as firm donors and raise children cooperatively a bit like female 0.88

00:49:50.120 herd animals do the problem is we don't seem to have that mindset the female mind doesn't revolve 1.00

00:49:57.880 mainly around raising children it revolves at least equally much around moments and love as long as our

00:50:03.560 mental worlds and our social instincts revolve around men we will be prisoners of men no matter 0.74

00:50:09.320 how much we take over society powered by our superior adaptability as long as we adapt to them

00:50:15.160 the men will somehow rule us anyhow but the problem is that the men aren't ruling right now right so

00:50:21.560 they're not able to take on this role because when they don't know how to act like men and then two

00:50:25.720 the urban monoculture creates really bad cultural practices so here is the core point that she's making

00:50:32.200 men leave cultures more easily than women high investment strategies appear to keep men in 1.00

00:50:37.960 cultures longer and or women in cultures longer why are we not doing more high in in investment 0.87

00:50:44.840 strategies for men so i went to someone i was like simone what can i wear like 24 7 that's gonna

00:50:50.200 ingratiate you with me they would make you happiest to be married to me because i believe i have a religious

00:50:55.640 duty i believe all men do to determine their wives fantasies and do everything they can

00:51:01.800 to help them larp that fantasy so long as it isn't too sinful and indulgent you know so long as it's

00:51:06.520 not distracting us from our industry or our worship then uh whatever larp you want to live i'm doing

00:51:12.360 it for you so i was like i wore a three-piece suit 24 7 like fully tailored you find that i know you

00:51:17.640 find it attractive no i mean yeah no three-piece suits and well tailored formal wear are the lingerie

00:51:23.880 version for for women of what men can wear but i think just the the level of discipline that would

00:51:31.720 make the most sense in a household like ours especially a pronatalist household where there's

00:51:35.560 lots of kids and messes is just to be nicely dressed in practical clothes i like the polo shirts and jeans

00:51:43.480 that you wear but to always be nicely dressed in clean clothes that are you know well maintained that you

00:51:50.120 know with with hair that is not messy differentiate me from society so we won't get the differential

00:51:54.920 benefit yeah i don't i think the more important element is the othering to you personally and the

00:52:03.800 fact that you have a restricted wardrobe like you can't just choose to wear anything it's always going

00:52:09.080 to be yeah so people are aware of how my wardrobe rules work and how our religious rules work around

00:52:16.440 dress i am only allowed to wear three outfits for three different levels of what's the word here

00:52:22.920 formalness because i'm never supposed to like social occasions yeah social occasions so i have one outfit

00:52:28.200 which is a black polo and jeans and yellow boots and a yellow belt i have one outfit which is slightly more

00:52:35.400 formal it's it's jeans nicer shoes black belt and vest and tie and long sleeve shirt so in texas tux

00:52:43.640 basically texas tux really and then they then the last one is a three-piece suit you also have a

00:52:48.520 formal tuxedo which you know most men in western societies need but it's your tuxedo from saint 0.81

00:52:53.480 andrews so it's a tuxedo yeah it seems some shit that that thing it has like holes in it but that's fine 0.98

00:53:00.040 whatever people shouldn't be making me wear a damn tuxedo anyway it's gauche um you keep pulling 0.96

00:53:05.880 it out you know look the point i'm making is i i have only one outfit like a cartoon character when 0.97

00:53:12.360 i open my wardrobe basically just one outfit is what i have access to and that outfit now what that

00:53:18.840 outfit is for an individual from a religious perspective is fairly open for us like we should

00:53:24.600 think that you should have one consistent and only outfit that differs based on level of formality

00:53:29.960 however it can be whatever your family thinks is right for you but it shouldn't contain any

00:53:35.880 element of designer brand where coolie or lower expensive non-designer brand would be more durable

00:53:41.960 or you know nice to wear yeah like don't wear the north face puffer when you could get an amazon

00:53:46.680 basics puffer that's just as good and literally all of my clothes by the way are amazon basics this is

00:53:50.680 an amazon basic shirt i wear amazon basics jeans everything's amazon basics but then the second thing is is

00:53:55.720 that i wear the same outfits as our male children and our female children all wear proximate of what

00:54:01.800 simone wears which is black dresses black dresses yeah which is really interesting if they're not

00:54:08.600 dressing like malcolm yeah so well sometimes the female children also dress like me and this does other

00:54:15.480 us really significantly in both media and in public to the extent where we were in telluride recently

00:54:21.400 walking around and we kept getting pulled over on the street by people who would be like oh you're

00:54:24.840 the yellow boots family it would happen like multiple times in between blocks well it was

00:54:29.080 interesting too is one of the the comments that people had if they weren't just complimenting us

00:54:33.800 was they were saying like where are her boots indicating our little indie right here who is not

00:54:40.280 wearing yellow boots people are like they like it so much that it bothers them that not the complete

00:54:45.720 family is in yellow boots despite the fact that she's she can't crawl yet she can barely roll over 1.00

00:54:52.040 let alone walk so there's no reason i guess you gotta get little yellow booties for her people would 1.00

00:54:56.680 love that though wouldn't they yeah i'll see how small they get get little yellow socks are for her or 1.00

00:55:01.080 something oh yeah um so that is so well yeah like we don't have specific religious rules and and i think

00:55:09.880 people would immediately recognize like if this became a large tradition people would immediately be like oh

00:55:14.600 it's the people who always dress like their children because even in like hard religious

00:55:18.760 cultures it's actually fairly rare for the adults to dress like their children so like for example

00:55:23.080 in haradi communities the adults don't dress like their children in amish communities the adults 0.99

00:55:27.080 don't dress like their children yeah and there's there's they can dress a little similarly but i would

00:55:31.400 just say that anyone who exists even vaguely on social media understands the impact of a family dressing

00:55:38.760 similarly that when you know people are buying all your kids so the reason we do it is because

00:55:45.000 every kid we can just move them between ages and it's all the same clothes that's very sustainable

00:55:49.320 yeah and you can just have a basket we have a basket for each kid that is full of their uniform

00:55:55.560 essentially and with your eyes closed you can just pull out from each kid's basket a shirt and pants

00:56:01.720 or a dress and it's just going to work so there is no automatically rotate as the kids get older

00:56:06.920 because it's just the last year's stuff yeah you're just switching over a year which is so easy and

00:56:11.800 nice i'm so glad we moved to the basket system it is amazing and i would say oh this is a fun thing

00:56:18.760 for parents who are implementing this the only area where we use different colored stuff is for socks

00:56:22.680 so that it's easy to tell which sock is which size yeah size of the different color yeah you'll use

00:56:27.880 that but you know people buy matching pajamas for christmas to take family photos because they have

00:56:34.120 such a big impact you could have that same impact on people to be just as noticeable just as as

00:56:40.520 remarkable if you all just dress the same way even when it's in something as mundane as a black polo

00:56:46.440 and jeans which is like it you know kind of cartoonishly plain clothing and i think that's

00:56:51.800 another element of it malcolm is you're like oh you know i need to be wearing something weirder

00:56:56.040 but that is inherently austere it is the sackcloth of the modern era the amazon basics yes so it's you

00:57:05.960 know but it is different from peasant wear like whenever we walk around target or walmart or something

00:57:11.560 and i like look at the clothing now it just looks so much like i now i can't unsee it like all the

00:57:17.080 synthetic fabrics the printed shirts the this these like the whole like disposable clothing thing

00:57:23.640 once you start to recognize that you can't unsee it and you can't unsee that it's like peasant clothes

00:57:27.880 like people are literally wearing rags that fall apart after a couple washes i think it's uh seven

00:57:33.320 days on average seven washes yeah okay so if you look at speaking of why would we do this as like a

00:57:40.360 religious system there's two reasons one is obviously the utility and the cost savings of running

00:57:45.800 things this way and the time savings in terms of my personal thought or anyone's personal thought but

00:57:50.280 two it allows for personal customization so each family gets to do it but three it reminds the family

00:57:55.240 that they are a unit and they are like you are a part of the family right like you are not an individual

00:58:01.160 really but you live in service to your family and you are a part of that family and finally the family

00:58:07.400 is an intergenerational unit when i talk with my son about what he's going to be when he grows up

00:58:12.680 you know he's going to be like mom and be a daddy like you and i'm gonna find a mommy like money 0.96

00:58:16.440 and i and i think when you look at how much a personality is heritable when you look at you

00:58:21.080 know all of this it just seems really clearly humans are an intergenerational entity and drawing

00:58:26.520 focus to that through the way individuals dress and i will note here that we won't have a ban on our

00:58:31.640 kids wearing different clothes if they want to they just need to buy them themselves yeah what the

00:58:36.600 family offers them is the basics this is what they get to wear for free and if they make money beyond

00:58:42.200 that and want to buy clothing anything beyond that is up to them yeah which is great that's good for

00:58:47.160 them i would say so you know clothing is just one pretty small how else are you going to oppress me

00:58:52.680 you really yeah like how well and i think what what ultimately you've highlighted is that it isn't

00:58:58.920 oppression it's buy-in it's investment it's it's really given giving people the opportunity to put

00:59:05.400 roots down and and most cultures these days even you know inherited religious cultures don't give 0.98

00:59:13.240 people the opportunity to put roots down and in the urban monoculture misinterprets all these

00:59:20.280 opportunities to dive deep into a religion as oppression when really they're just investment

00:59:25.640 opportunities so i think the bigger question is you know what are the investment opportunities and i

00:59:30.040 think that is you know family businesses is a really big one making those pervasive in our

00:59:35.080 culture and having them start really early like i want our kids to start family businesses super

00:59:39.240 super early our boys and our girls but i think it would make our boys more invested in our culture

00:59:44.600 when your livelihood becomes intertwined with your religion and culture you know things change and

00:59:49.160 that i mean many many religions have done this the opposite way right by disempowering their members

00:59:55.560 from an educational standpoint but you could also make people dependent on your culture economically by

01:00:01.560 being so empowering that they want to stay within it to maintain their lifestyle and livelihood i'd also

01:00:07.560 note here a concept that we've talked about that is more othering for men than women is tactical

01:00:11.960 honesty oh not more othering it's more costly for men than women because when women practice tactical 1.00

01:00:18.040 honesty i.e like being totally transparent about what their goals are with an individual there's much

01:00:22.440 more motivation for men to take advantage of them than there is for women to take advantage of men 0.97

01:00:26.200 by that what i mean is men get huge bonuses from signaling that they're interested in longer

01:00:32.120 term relationships and they're really interested in or that they're interested in other types of

01:00:35.400 relationships men are more incentivized to lie because women are more likely to have sex with

01:00:39.160 them if they signal long-term commitment so i think that men have an additional responsibility within our

01:00:45.240 culture to double down on tactical honesty especially in discussions of relationship and business

01:00:50.840 transactions yeah because that is also othering to your point which is great yeah well and in

01:00:54.920 friendships this means focus on a question you should be frequently asking the people that you're

01:00:59.240 interacting with is what are your major problems right now what are your major bottlenecks and

01:01:05.960 where can i help yeah basically am i useful to you and are you useful to me and if that is not mutual

01:01:13.480 we should not be talking right now yeah i love people always like malcolm you're so ruthless in

01:01:18.280 friendships why do you even save humanity if you don't like them and i'm like well i've got my wife you

01:01:21.960 know why would i why would i waste time talking to anyone who's not her you know and then if it's

01:01:26.760 not with her my kids like why bother making a friend you what if they touch me oh my gosh

01:01:36.120 what's wrong i love you i love you too speaking of which anytime now so how are you going to oppress

01:01:41.800 me more i just feel like so unoppressed in a relationship again i i think in the end it's not

01:01:47.640 oppression i think it is it's empowerment it's giving status and it's giving opportunities to

01:01:55.560 invest and that's what you're ultimately looking at when you see these levels of oh you hold on

01:02:01.160 you're right and i just realized what it is we see the difference in the individuals in these communities

01:02:09.000 by the way they dress but what's actually being preserved is the status hierarchy system's unique

01:02:17.080 structure when muslim males meet with other muslim males and i have seen this before

01:02:25.480 their status hierarchy is sorted in huge part based on their wealth and the things they have as it is by

01:02:32.040 mainstream society but uh haraidi jews it's based on their level of religious education yeah and among

01:02:42.200 the amish is based on their level of personal industry and labor and so that's what we need to maintain 1.00

01:02:49.560 industry above all and and unflappable happiness you cannot happiness is a choice it does not help the

01:02:57.240 people around you to signal any other emotional state now you can keep talking while i go get octavian

01:03:01.960 into chat with you uh for a little bit okay i'll interview octavian he will be devastated if we do

01:03:08.200 not if we do not ask him his questions octavian buddy be very careful here here sit here i need to

01:03:15.000 interview you okay oh you're wearing just your undershirt now you're outside of our dress why is he

01:03:19.560 in his undershirt anyway go get the hoods i'll interview him do you like your yellow boots yes

01:03:26.120 why do you wear yellow boots i'm taking them off now because i'm in the house you know why i'm taking

01:03:32.520 it off why because no shoes belong in houses that's right buddy good job and octavian what are you going 0.83

01:03:41.800 to do when you grow up because i'll be silly you'll be silly no i will not oh what are you going to be when

01:03:52.600 you grow up i'm gonna be nice and i will go many times i'll go to kindergarten many times if i'm big 0.84

01:04:08.920 and i'm at kindergarten people will know i'm octavian that's the plan that's that's more short term than we

01:04:16.920 had in mind but that's okay okay daddy and i were talking octavian and we decided that it's really

01:04:23.720 important that boys have to work very hard to become strong what do you think you should do

01:04:30.920 to make your life hard so you can get really really strong well when i get really strong i'll be

01:04:37.640 forward to carry heavy things and also big too and he said and he said that be cracking right there

01:04:48.360 okay so you'll carry heavy things are there other difficult things tricky difficult hard things you

01:04:53.640 can do to become strong nothing so nothing just are too strong for me nothing nothing's too difficult for

01:05:04.920 you no is it your job to do difficult hard things yes yes do you like do you like the outfits that you

01:05:17.080 wear your yellow boots and your jeans and your black shirt is it yes well this is so halloween

01:05:25.160 it's gonna be halloween soon my buddy and what are you going to be for halloween i'm gonna be for

01:05:31.000 halloween is a spooky ghost a spooky ghost it's gonna be so fun right yes yeah i'm excited for that too

01:05:41.240 why you know i know i always um i always know that ghosts are not invisible ghosts are not invisible

01:06:01.000 oh they're not well but octavian there is a type of ghost called a poltergeist that is invisible and

01:06:07.160 makes things move around titan hi hi hi titan

01:06:20.200 how is this you see a baby where's the baby deer you don't know do you want a big pizza for dinner

01:06:31.640 um yes a big pizza okay i'll get so mad at you guys okay i won't give you baby pizzas i will give you a big

01:06:42.440 pizza okay malcolm what do you want i did do you want me to start thawing out the lasagna for you

01:06:48.680 yeah i already ate today i love you malcolm i'll be done in a sec

01:06:57.080 oh my god

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Could Oppressing Men Resolve Fertility Collapse？

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