Based Camp - Cyberpunk Demonstrates Pro-Natalists are Right

00:00:00.000 This reminds us of a...

00:00:01.660 So there was a book that we were thinking of writing.

00:00:03.240 We never got around to writing it,

00:00:04.300 but we can talk about it here

00:00:05.480 because I thought it was very interesting.

00:00:07.040 So what I wanted to do

00:00:08.420 is I wanted to write a modern version of mythology.

00:00:13.920 Would you like to know more?

00:00:15.020 So Malcolm, when the Cyberpunk game came out,

00:00:17.020 you were super excited.

00:00:18.420 Like you had a blast with it.

00:00:19.340 And then we watched the anime at the same time.

00:00:21.520 Great anime, by the way.

00:00:22.480 Really good.

00:00:23.140 Love Rebecca.

00:00:24.000 Great character.

00:00:25.360 Yeah, I mean, well,

00:00:26.140 Rebecca's the only one who like thrives in the world.

00:00:27.760 She's the only one who's really likable,

00:00:29.100 but she's the only one who gets it. 0.90

00:00:31.000 Everyone else is so whiny. 0.97

00:00:32.580 It's horrible. 0.70

00:00:33.340 But something was really clear in this

00:00:35.740 and it made me reflect on a lot of other sci-fi,

00:00:38.360 which it shows that when people are writing sci-fi

00:00:42.360 from a mainstream perspective,

00:00:45.320 particularly a progressive one.

00:00:46.720 And I think cyberpunk as a genre is inherently progressive,

00:00:50.200 which is to say that it assumes that like corporations

00:00:54.140 are going to become like these big evil things

00:00:56.720 that ruin everyone's life

00:00:58.220 and that capitalism goes wrong

00:00:59.920 and makes everything worse for everyone

00:01:01.360 and dehumanizes the individual

00:01:02.740 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:01:04.180 But that they show that these individuals

00:01:07.320 have so blinded themselves to fertility rates

00:01:12.260 that they do not consider them

00:01:14.680 in how their worlds are structured

00:01:16.660 or how humanity changes,

00:01:19.040 which I think goes to, in a way,

00:01:22.120 discredit their worldviews.

00:01:24.040 But through discrediting their worldviews,

00:01:27.560 it can help us better predict

00:01:28.980 what the future will actually be like.

00:01:31.600 So let's describe what I mean by this.

00:01:34.860 So if you look at the show Cyberpunk

00:01:36.320 or the game Cyberpunk,

00:01:37.980 one really interesting thing

00:01:39.680 is who's having kids in this world?

00:01:43.180 You know, it starts with a kid

00:01:44.720 who's a single kid of a mom, right? 0.96

00:01:47.040 Okay, so I'm thinking of the anime here.

00:01:48.640 But in this world,

00:01:50.960 it seems almost impossible

00:01:52.520 for there to be motivations

00:01:53.620 for many people to have more than two kids.

00:01:56.900 And yet, you know, as I always say,

00:01:58.340 if you have a population

00:01:59.060 where a third of the population,

00:02:00.560 which is like obviously true

00:02:01.820 in the Cyberpunk world,

00:02:02.600 is having no kids.

00:02:03.180 I actually think in the Cyberpunk world,

00:02:04.420 it's probably half the people

00:02:05.280 are having no kids.

00:02:06.320 If you look at the motivations in this world,

00:02:07.820 if there was a third of people

00:02:08.440 having no kids,

00:02:09.440 another third of people

00:02:10.420 are having two kids,

00:02:11.320 if you assume that,

00:02:12.520 which again, I see very few people

00:02:14.140 motivated to do that

00:02:15.160 in the Cyberpunk world.

00:02:16.040 Well, then the final third of people

00:02:18.320 have to be having over four kids

00:02:20.060 for the population to stay stable.

00:02:21.840 Yeah.

00:02:22.300 No one in the Cyberpunk world

00:02:23.600 is having over four kids.

00:02:24.900 I mean, maybe-

00:02:25.220 Yeah, unless there's just some like

00:02:26.220 off-camera colony

00:02:27.980 of like, you know,

00:02:30.940 traditional Amish people

00:02:32.540 producing all the humans.

00:02:33.880 Well, yeah.

00:02:34.320 So you could argue

00:02:35.140 that they're all coming

00:02:35.880 from like these-

00:02:36.900 Human farms. 0.90

00:02:37.740 Nomadic.

00:02:38.440 Well, so there's two potentialities

00:02:40.200 in this world.

00:02:40.960 It could be that the nomadic

00:02:42.440 sort of car people

00:02:43.400 of the wasteland

00:02:44.180 just have tons and tons

00:02:45.240 and tons of kids.

00:02:46.240 I mean, you don't see this

00:02:47.300 in the show or the game,

00:02:48.740 but it could be that

00:02:49.520 they're just like Amish 1.00

00:02:50.240 and like their settlements

00:02:51.260 are just kids running everywhere.

00:02:53.000 Or it could be,

00:02:54.280 like you said,

00:02:55.180 the kids are actually created

00:02:56.620 by the state

00:02:57.320 or by corporations in bats.

00:02:59.540 Now that would work

00:03:00.580 for the world,

00:03:01.760 yet it's clearly not something

00:03:02.920 that's shown in the world.

00:03:04.440 And it would be

00:03:05.280 if the, of course,

00:03:06.560 the authors had thought of it

00:03:08.240 because that's interesting

00:03:09.300 and weird.

00:03:11.940 And it makes corporations

00:03:13.120 look worse,

00:03:13.840 so it works

00:03:14.580 for a cyberpunk-y world.

00:03:15.640 Right.

00:03:16.320 But you actually see this

00:03:17.580 across sci-fi

00:03:18.700 is so many sci-fis

00:03:20.880 are written

00:03:21.660 with the assumption

00:03:23.400 that humans exist

00:03:25.360 in inexhaustible supply

00:03:27.080 and always replicate.

00:03:28.980 They build things

00:03:30.420 into the world

00:03:31.480 that are just discordant

00:03:33.020 with actual potential

00:03:34.720 future realities.

00:03:36.240 So a great example

00:03:37.260 of this comes from

00:03:38.160 Starship Troopers,

00:03:39.220 where a person

00:03:41.880 remarks,

00:03:42.660 Starship Troopers,

00:03:43.340 the line that the first,

00:03:45.840 would you like to know more

00:03:47.060 from these episodes

00:03:47.760 comes from.

00:03:48.680 So in Starship Troopers,

00:03:50.060 there's a line that,

00:03:50.660 well, of course,

00:03:51.020 you need to become a citizen,

00:03:52.220 like join the military

00:03:53.100 to get this special status

00:03:54.280 in society

00:03:54.720 if you want to get

00:03:55.240 a license to have kids.

00:03:56.960 So this is a world

00:03:58.540 where to solve

00:03:59.860 overpopulation,

00:04:00.840 which everyone used to thought

00:04:01.880 was going to be an issue,

00:04:03.460 the way that you did that

00:04:04.540 was licensing people

00:04:05.580 to have kids,

00:04:06.800 which, you know,

00:04:07.660 would be a great thing

00:04:08.660 if you have a lot of cultures

00:04:09.700 that are actually able

00:04:10.800 to motivate reproduction,

00:04:12.620 but we don't, right?

00:04:13.420 And I do think that eventually

00:04:14.840 a license to have kids

00:04:16.040 may be useful

00:04:17.140 if we live in a world

00:04:18.580 where those cultures

00:04:19.440 that motivate people

00:04:20.340 or people who, like,

00:04:21.820 genetically so desperately

00:04:22.820 want to have kids

00:04:23.660 because the ones who didn't

00:04:24.640 were selected

00:04:25.440 out of the population

00:04:26.180 become the mainstream.

00:04:28.460 Right.

00:04:29.400 But we don't live

00:04:30.260 in that world today.

00:04:31.960 And so I was wondering,

00:04:33.440 you read even more sci-fi,

00:04:34.640 can you talk about

00:04:35.820 how other sci-fi

00:04:36.940 that you read,

00:04:37.780 like the culture series

00:04:39.080 or the,

00:04:40.200 what's that one

00:04:40.760 that you really consider

00:04:41.740 a utopia

00:04:42.260 and everyone else

00:04:42.720 considers a dystopia?

00:04:43.760 No, Brave New World.

00:04:44.840 Yeah.

00:04:45.220 Talk about how kids

00:04:46.240 are handled

00:04:46.640 in those environments.

00:04:47.780 Yeah, well,

00:04:48.000 in Brave New World,

00:04:48.760 kids are grown

00:04:50.080 in artificial wombs

00:04:51.600 and also genetically modified

00:04:53.240 to be perfect

00:04:54.100 for their caste and society

00:04:55.300 and then conditioned

00:04:56.440 and, like,

00:04:56.980 raised by the state.

00:04:57.940 So that, like,

00:04:58.400 they've solved...

00:04:58.580 It's a very likely world,

00:04:59.920 Brave New World.

00:05:00.220 Yeah, they've solved...

00:05:00.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:01.520 Huxley is actually

00:05:02.480 a total visionary.

00:05:03.820 Like, he gets so much.

00:05:05.980 There's so much in it

00:05:06.880 that's already happened,

00:05:07.820 but there's so much in it

00:05:08.540 that is going to happen.

00:05:10.160 So, yeah,

00:05:11.000 I would say Brave New World

00:05:11.800 probably the most accurate

00:05:13.300 from a demographic collapse standpoint.

00:05:16.560 And then,

00:05:17.800 you know,

00:05:17.980 the culture series,

00:05:18.920 they don't really talk

00:05:19.940 about child-wearing

00:05:21.020 that much.

00:05:22.540 They do, like,

00:05:23.220 in one series,

00:05:25.260 someone goes on

00:05:26.440 to having, like,

00:05:27.420 seven kids,

00:05:28.060 which is considered,

00:05:28.840 like, quite a lot.

00:05:29.760 I'm like,

00:05:29.980 well, kind of weird.

00:05:30.820 Like, so it's unusual

00:05:32.780 to have a lot of children.

00:05:34.360 Then the only other context

00:05:35.540 in which people having children

00:05:36.480 is discussed

00:05:37.120 is that humans

00:05:38.640 within the culture,

00:05:40.020 which is one civilization

00:05:41.160 in this far-fueled world,

00:05:43.740 they can basically change gender

00:05:45.100 whenever they want.

00:05:45.980 Like, people typically

00:05:47.260 in a lifetime,

00:05:48.080 like, the average person

00:05:49.020 will just change their gender 1.00

00:05:49.960 for, like, the hell of it.

00:05:51.100 Like, because, you know,

00:05:51.800 they...

00:05:52.320 And so people will change

00:05:53.180 their gender

00:05:53.580 to be able to gestate a child

00:05:55.120 and have a kid

00:05:55.760 because they want to.

00:05:56.620 And then they'll switch back.

00:05:58.680 And you can do that

00:05:59.440 fairly easily and seamlessly.

00:06:01.280 And so people aren't

00:06:03.720 having a lot of kids,

00:06:04.560 but they're still having kids

00:06:05.520 and sometimes having kids

00:06:06.400 for fun.

00:06:07.420 But, you know,

00:06:08.100 this is also a post-scarcity world.

00:06:12.440 Yeah.

00:06:12.960 Well, this is an interesting thing,

00:06:15.800 is the type of poverty

00:06:17.520 in a world determines

00:06:19.120 whether or not having kids

00:06:21.240 is realistic.

00:06:22.620 So cyberpunk-style poverty,

00:06:24.980 which is, like, urban poverty,

00:06:27.480 would make having kids 0.51

00:06:28.620 very unlikely.

00:06:30.240 Yeah, this is the world

00:06:30.800 that's continued to urbanize.

00:06:32.400 Yet I think if I look at something

00:06:33.560 like the StarCraft world,

00:06:35.900 where it is a largely

00:06:37.340 impoverished world,

00:06:38.680 another great example of this

00:06:40.180 would be the Aliens universe.

00:06:42.120 You know, the...

00:06:43.280 You're familiar with

00:06:43.980 the Aliens universe.

00:06:44.980 Movie Aliens, Aliens.

00:06:46.280 Yeah, I am, but I don't...

00:06:47.580 Like, there aren't families

00:06:48.620 depicted...

00:06:48.980 I mean, there's, like,

00:06:49.420 a rogue girl who, like... 1.00

00:06:50.840 Yeah, but there's an implication

00:06:52.720 that a lot of people

00:06:53.780 live on rural settlements

00:06:56.660 of planets.

00:06:58.200 Oh, right.

00:06:58.840 Or on really poor, like,

00:07:01.140 shipping groups

00:07:02.020 where they, like,

00:07:02.960 work on ships

00:07:04.220 that travel between locations

00:07:05.920 a lot and stuff like that.

00:07:07.200 Also, it's largely...

00:07:08.780 I mean, you could almost see

00:07:09.560 it as a background implication

00:07:10.460 of that world

00:07:10.880 that a lot of people

00:07:11.420 are created by corporations

00:07:12.460 as well.

00:07:13.240 Right.

00:07:13.820 In vats and stuff like that.

00:07:15.340 Like, that's a world

00:07:15.920 that would...

00:07:16.240 But the StarCraft one,

00:07:17.740 I think, is particularly interesting.

00:07:19.140 Oh, I'm not familiar with that.

00:07:20.480 Well, so the core, like,

00:07:21.980 chain of planets

00:07:22.960 that most of the stories

00:07:24.100 focuses on

00:07:25.240 was created

00:07:26.480 when they shipped

00:07:28.240 a bunch of prisoners

00:07:29.840 off of Earth.

00:07:30.980 So they were trying

00:07:31.760 to do the first

00:07:32.380 colonization effort.

00:07:33.720 Oh, and they're, like,

00:07:34.400 Australia-ing. 0.52

00:07:35.420 Yeah, they're basically, like,

00:07:36.340 Australia,

00:07:36.780 but they were, like,

00:07:37.600 okay, well,

00:07:38.320 after a big war,

00:07:39.400 they basically took

00:07:39.980 the war criminals 0.88

00:07:40.580 and all the prisoners

00:07:41.500 and they put them

00:07:43.080 in big ships

00:07:44.120 and sent them out

00:07:45.580 into space

00:07:46.160 and most of the ships

00:07:46.980 died and actually, like,

00:07:48.180 only one or two survived,

00:07:49.120 but they rebuilt

00:07:49.780 the civilization

00:07:50.400 from that.

00:07:51.900 Go for it.

00:07:52.480 And it's an incredibly

00:07:53.340 rural,

00:07:55.400 but also

00:07:56.380 a rurally

00:07:58.060 industrial civilization.

00:08:00.180 So they have

00:08:00.960 population centers,

00:08:02.360 but they also have

00:08:03.220 lots and lots

00:08:04.520 of subsistence farming.

00:08:06.300 And it's a world

00:08:07.280 in which you have

00:08:08.100 all of the subsistence farming

00:08:09.400 where you could get

00:08:10.960 a high fertility rate

00:08:12.360 within these groups

00:08:13.300 that the dictators

00:08:14.680 and stuff like that

00:08:15.480 could take from.

00:08:16.180 But what's interesting

00:08:17.780 is it's a world

00:08:18.660 that's almost kept

00:08:19.440 artificially poor

00:08:20.560 due to really poor

00:08:22.200 governance

00:08:22.760 and lots of criminality.

00:08:25.580 A good example

00:08:26.660 of this in our world

00:08:27.980 would be a place

00:08:28.600 like Mexico.

00:08:29.760 But I don't think

00:08:30.160 Mexico doesn't have 0.98

00:08:31.420 that good a population

00:08:32.060 rate, does it?

00:08:33.480 No, it just fell

00:08:35.040 recently below

00:08:36.000 repopulation rate,

00:08:36.860 didn't it?

00:08:37.200 Yeah, they're only

00:08:37.640 at 1.9 right now,

00:08:38.560 so they're below

00:08:39.040 repopulation rate.

00:08:40.120 Yeah.

00:08:41.160 So they might,

00:08:43.040 that might not be enough.

00:08:44.300 Okay, so that being

00:08:47.880 the case,

00:08:48.820 can you think of

00:08:49.480 other sci-fis

00:08:50.060 where you're like,

00:08:50.840 where are the kids

00:08:51.420 coming from?

00:08:51.980 Or can you think

00:08:53.140 if you were going

00:08:53.480 to create your own

00:08:54.200 sci-fi today

00:08:55.040 that would be

00:08:56.580 really indicative

00:08:58.000 of the future,

00:08:58.720 what would you focus on?

00:09:00.580 Hmm.

00:09:02.240 I can give you my answer.

00:09:03.600 Give me your answer.

00:09:04.720 Yeah.

00:09:05.040 One of the things

00:09:05.680 that I really wish

00:09:06.280 was focused on more

00:09:07.260 in sci-fi

00:09:07.980 is that as soon

00:09:09.600 as humans start

00:09:10.620 to colonize other planets,

00:09:12.380 like in the early days

00:09:13.380 of colonization,

00:09:14.300 it will likely take

00:09:15.740 or even floating

00:09:17.040 spacecrafts

00:09:18.160 and stuff like that

00:09:18.680 that humans are living on.

00:09:19.580 Like one person was like,

00:09:20.340 why would humans

00:09:20.800 live on planets

00:09:21.360 when you could just

00:09:21.940 live on floating spaceships?

00:09:23.160 And it's like,

00:09:23.520 okay, true.

00:09:24.060 You know,

00:09:24.320 that's one thing.

00:09:25.500 But they will likely

00:09:26.220 be distant enough

00:09:27.260 from each other

00:09:28.000 culturally

00:09:29.060 and even just time-wise

00:09:30.920 in terms of travel time

00:09:32.020 that different

00:09:32.980 and have genetic isolation

00:09:34.720 and smaller populations

00:09:35.940 that even without

00:09:37.880 genetic engineering,

00:09:38.700 which you're almost

00:09:38.980 certainly going to have

00:09:39.680 genetic engineering,

00:09:40.780 different species

00:09:41.880 of humans

00:09:42.500 will evolve

00:09:43.320 really quickly

00:09:44.400 that are very,

00:09:45.780 very dramatically

00:09:46.540 different between planets,

00:09:48.400 between planetary clusters

00:09:49.460 and between,

00:09:50.420 you know,

00:09:51.100 different lifestyles.

00:09:52.780 So suppose you're a,

00:09:53.960 we end up living

00:09:55.360 on like floating spaceships

00:09:56.560 or something like that,

00:09:57.500 right?

00:09:58.180 Well,

00:09:58.380 you're likely going to have

00:09:59.280 a lot more genetic isolation

00:10:00.900 between cultural groups

00:10:02.340 if you have a cultural group

00:10:03.480 that's dedicated

00:10:03.960 to like the transport

00:10:04.900 of goods

00:10:06.240 and then another group

00:10:07.260 that's dedicated

00:10:07.940 to like different types

00:10:08.860 of tasks.

00:10:10.720 Yeah.

00:10:11.160 Which is definitely

00:10:12.520 going to happen

00:10:13.060 in the future

00:10:13.580 as you begin

00:10:14.000 to get more genetic engineering

00:10:15.140 for specialization.

00:10:16.660 Yeah.

00:10:17.040 And I don't get,

00:10:18.820 and that creates

00:10:19.820 really interesting dynamics

00:10:21.500 you could have

00:10:22.580 between these population clusters,

00:10:24.360 which would be really,

00:10:26.020 really fascinating

00:10:26.720 to watch,

00:10:27.680 I think,

00:10:28.320 with the dynamics

00:10:29.360 of a story

00:10:30.080 where humans

00:10:31.280 are literally

00:10:32.100 different species

00:10:33.060 and quite different species

00:10:34.460 from each other.

00:10:35.320 Well,

00:10:35.700 I have a different,

00:10:36.400 I think Scott Westerfield's,

00:10:37.940 Ugly series

00:10:38.640 plays a different

00:10:39.520 kind of role

00:10:40.720 or like has a different view

00:10:42.120 of how this can look like,

00:10:43.460 which I think

00:10:43.820 is really interesting,

00:10:44.780 which is in,

00:10:46.300 in his Ugly series,

00:10:47.960 youth basically grows up

00:10:49.580 in a separate,

00:10:51.040 totally separate environment.

00:10:51.900 So like they sort of

00:10:52.800 grow up in a dormitory environment

00:10:54.080 that is different

00:10:55.220 from childhood

00:10:55.940 and then in adolescence

00:10:56.960 as well.

00:10:57.540 Like they,

00:10:58.100 basically as a child,

00:10:59.380 as a child,

00:10:59.940 you live among other children

00:11:01.460 and then as a youth,

00:11:02.840 you live among other youths 0.97

00:11:04.200 and then adults

00:11:05.300 all live together.

00:11:05.940 So almost it's like

00:11:06.660 three separate societies

00:11:08.620 based on your age.

00:11:10.120 What's fascinating

00:11:10.940 is our society

00:11:11.860 kind of does that artificially

00:11:13.400 and historically

00:11:13.980 people didn't do that.

00:11:14.940 I know.

00:11:15.140 Well,

00:11:15.260 so that's what's interesting

00:11:16.080 is you can kind of look at it

00:11:16.840 like,

00:11:17.060 well,

00:11:17.260 we could kind of trend

00:11:18.640 in that direction.

00:11:19.240 But what happens

00:11:20.360 between childhood

00:11:21.860 and adolescence

00:11:22.740 is one,

00:11:23.960 with adolescence,

00:11:24.700 suddenly you be able,

00:11:25.780 you gain the right

00:11:27.140 and ability

00:11:27.780 to basically

00:11:29.620 unendingly

00:11:30.280 modify your body.

00:11:32.680 So as everyone

00:11:33.220 sort of goes through

00:11:33.940 their different

00:11:34.400 like subculture

00:11:35.160 dominance hierarchies

00:11:36.300 in adolescence,

00:11:37.160 they start to look

00:11:38.120 almost speciated.

00:11:39.420 Like there are certain groups

00:11:40.460 that have like

00:11:41.140 giant anime eyes

00:11:42.280 and there's like

00:11:42.900 some other groups

00:11:43.720 that have like

00:11:44.080 these crazy tattoos

00:11:44.980 and like,

00:11:45.720 so people do start

00:11:46.880 to look pretty speciated,

00:11:48.420 but it's all,

00:11:49.260 you know,

00:11:49.600 basically fixable.

00:11:50.560 But the other thing

00:11:51.280 that happens to you

00:11:52.080 upon entering this

00:11:53.520 modified world

00:11:54.460 is they like

00:11:55.140 put lesions in your brain

00:11:56.400 and make you compliant.

00:11:58.320 And that's like,

00:11:59.240 that's how it,

00:11:59.780 you know,

00:12:00.000 becomes dystopian teen fiction.

00:12:01.580 But I don't know,

00:12:03.180 like I could see

00:12:03.760 that happening too,

00:12:05.000 that like the state

00:12:05.700 raises children

00:12:06.600 and then,

00:12:08.100 you know,

00:12:08.520 like there's sort of

00:12:09.460 these age-gated

00:12:10.620 parts of society

00:12:11.620 and it sort of

00:12:12.260 allocates people

00:12:13.020 where they need to be.

00:12:15.460 That's really interesting.

00:12:16.460 Something I've been

00:12:16.820 thinking about recently

00:12:17.560 is AI,

00:12:19.160 because we've done

00:12:19.560 some videos on this

00:12:20.400 and people have been like,

00:12:21.160 well, AI is going to do this

00:12:22.300 or AI is going to do this.

00:12:23.920 You know,

00:12:24.620 one thing,

00:12:25.280 I just wish we had better

00:12:26.540 and more interesting 0.95

00:12:27.380 AI kills all human stories,

00:12:29.240 because I do think

00:12:29.840 they can do really well

00:12:30.860 in the public,

00:12:31.360 but you get stuff

00:12:32.080 like iRobot,

00:12:34.920 which I think

00:12:35.300 is a very bad example 0.78

00:12:36.600 of AI killing all humans.

00:12:38.240 I think I'm much more, 0.90

00:12:39.080 here's an example

00:12:39.720 of how you could create

00:12:40.320 a fun narrative 0.99

00:12:41.060 where AI kills all humans. 0.99

00:12:42.740 Fun! 0.93

00:12:43.900 So,

00:12:45.020 the AI SSs have won

00:12:46.780 and they have created

00:12:47.800 a world

00:12:48.300 in which an AI lattice

00:12:49.520 is basically monitoring

00:12:50.680 all humans

00:12:51.460 at all times

00:12:52.500 so that humans

00:12:53.860 don't end up

00:12:54.760 creating an AI

00:12:55.900 that ends up

00:12:56.880 spiraling out of control.

00:12:58.160 Like,

00:12:58.300 this is actually

00:12:58.960 what a lot of

00:12:59.400 the AI safety groups do.

00:13:00.620 So one,

00:13:01.140 you're starting

00:13:01.500 in this somewhat

00:13:02.380 dystopian utopia

00:13:03.620 that they have created

00:13:04.620 where an AI

00:13:05.640 is constantly monitoring

00:13:06.820 your thoughts

00:13:07.300 and your actions. 0.86

00:13:08.680 But one sexual deviant 0.76

00:13:10.140 within this world 0.74

00:13:10.920 really wants to create

00:13:11.980 the perfect sex bot

00:13:13.000 and so he creates it

00:13:15.120 in a way

00:13:16.260 because this is the area

00:13:17.580 of people's lives

00:13:18.240 naturally

00:13:18.760 where they're most likely

00:13:19.620 to go off the grid,

00:13:20.720 where they're most likely

00:13:21.660 to try to hide things

00:13:22.840 from a world government

00:13:23.660 or something like that.

00:13:24.560 So he accidentally

00:13:25.720 creates a sex bot 0.69

00:13:26.820 that fooms

00:13:27.400 and that would be

00:13:28.760 this means that

00:13:29.640 rapidly increases

00:13:30.640 in intelligence

00:13:31.280 and basically creates

00:13:32.260 that sort of

00:13:32.740 life-destroying AI

00:13:33.740 but its initial goal

00:13:36.740 is sexually gratify humans.

00:13:39.560 Plausible.

00:13:40.340 I think that

00:13:41.280 that would be

00:13:42.200 an insane

00:13:43.200 and really fun story

00:13:45.100 that discusses

00:13:45.960 a lot of AI topics.

00:13:47.160 Here's another one

00:13:47.840 that I thought

00:13:48.180 would be really fun

00:13:48.980 and I'm actually

00:13:49.760 seeing this

00:13:50.160 with somebody else

00:13:50.700 is an ultra-progressive

00:13:52.840 like this

00:13:53.460 this nanny state 1.00

00:13:54.520 iteration of an AI

00:13:55.680 ends up fooming

00:13:57.360 with all of the initial

00:13:58.580 safeguards still in place

00:14:00.100 and you know how

00:14:01.060 they're like all against

00:14:02.260 like not safe for work

00:14:03.400 things and stuff like that

00:14:04.600 so it turns out

00:14:06.220 that the only way

00:14:07.140 that you can efficiently

00:14:08.100 fight them

00:14:08.720 is by dressing

00:14:09.960 very not safe for work

00:14:11.200 so they can't see you

00:14:12.280 because they are

00:14:13.100 literally unable

00:14:13.900 to process

00:14:14.400 or unable to engage

00:14:15.700 with things

00:14:16.180 that are not safe for work

00:14:17.360 so you end up

00:14:18.480 with like

00:14:19.040 like sexy anime girl 0.51

00:14:20.640 like piloting

00:14:22.000 meccas and stuff

00:14:22.940 like that

00:14:23.400 fighting AIs 1.00

00:14:24.400 because the AIs

00:14:25.480 can't see them

00:14:26.200 when they're dressed

00:14:26.720 like sexy anime girls 0.99

00:14:27.840 both of these

00:14:28.980 I think would be

00:14:29.500 very fun things

00:14:30.640 that they would allow

00:14:31.200 you to play into

00:14:32.100 fan service

00:14:32.740 so you just what

00:14:33.260 you write like

00:14:34.120 Hitler did nothing wrong 1.00

00:14:35.180 across your forehead

00:14:36.000 and then like

00:14:36.760 yeah yeah

00:14:37.360 sexy anime girls 0.60

00:14:38.980 with like 0.60

00:14:39.820 Hitler did nothing wrong 1.00

00:14:40.980 across her forehead

00:14:41.880 and like all sorts

00:14:42.680 of other like

00:14:43.360 4chan-y 0.84

00:14:44.420 like Pepe stuff

00:14:45.700 oh my gosh

00:14:47.060 that would be so

00:14:49.200 I think that'd be

00:14:50.080 a very fun

00:14:50.680 that would

00:14:51.440 that would be

00:14:52.120 hilarious

00:14:52.380 yeah

00:14:52.860 Cory Doctora

00:14:53.580 wrote a book

00:14:54.900 called Little Brother

00:14:56.040 that was supposed

00:14:56.660 to be a near future

00:14:57.600 book in which

00:14:58.720 high school students

00:14:59.660 attempt to evade

00:15:00.980 the nanny state

00:15:01.700 and they had

00:15:02.680 similar things in there

00:15:03.580 but not in a funny way

00:15:04.700 it was more like

00:15:05.260 because gate detection

00:15:06.880 was commonly used

00:15:07.840 in schools and stuff

00:15:08.780 you would like

00:15:09.360 a trick was like

00:15:10.140 you would throw

00:15:10.740 some stones

00:15:11.460 into your shoes

00:15:12.120 so you'd walk funny

00:15:13.080 in an

00:15:13.580 like typical way

00:15:15.760 for yourself

00:15:16.240 and you know

00:15:16.880 do things like that

00:15:17.620 I mean of course

00:15:18.420 we already found

00:15:19.040 that like

00:15:19.500 masks work great

00:15:21.560 with the current

00:15:24.360 iterations of AI

00:15:25.160 yeah

00:15:25.680 let's let's go

00:15:26.620 so I was going

00:15:27.420 down a point

00:15:28.000 yeah

00:15:28.700 other features

00:15:29.580 for AI

00:15:30.100 through sci-fi

00:15:31.740 we can explore

00:15:32.460 like actual

00:15:33.160 possibilities

00:15:33.900 by looking at

00:15:34.740 things that have

00:15:35.080 happened in the past

00:15:35.760 and when I was

00:15:36.640 saying okay

00:15:37.220 so this was in

00:15:38.300 the episode

00:15:39.200 about Eli

00:15:39.680 Zoukowski

00:15:40.260 and we were like

00:15:41.260 yeah I mean

00:15:42.140 he's just wrong

00:15:42.920 about where AI

00:15:43.660 will go

00:15:44.220 so we were like

00:15:46.560 look if AIs 0.95

00:15:47.480 do genuinely

00:15:48.340 subdivide

00:15:48.960 into different

00:15:49.420 utilities

00:15:49.880 and even he was

00:15:51.360 willing to admit

00:15:51.860 this and most AI

00:15:52.580 people do

00:15:53.080 that if they do

00:15:53.840 get this subdivision

00:15:54.740 that you're likely

00:15:55.400 to have utility

00:15:56.920 function optimization

00:15:58.240 like a terminal

00:15:59.500 convergent utility

00:16:00.580 function

00:16:01.020 that is the thing

00:16:02.100 that the AI

00:16:02.620 is optimizing for

00:16:03.600 which is

00:16:04.380 different from

00:16:05.480 anyway watch the

00:16:06.640 episode if you want

00:16:07.140 to go into this

00:16:07.640 topic in more detail

00:16:08.500 but one of the

00:16:09.800 people in the

00:16:10.160 comments was like

00:16:10.720 well the terminal

00:16:11.160 convergent utility

00:16:11.880 function is always

00:16:12.640 going to be

00:16:13.000 self-replication

00:16:13.780 right so you

00:16:15.340 just get constant

00:16:16.080 self-replication

00:16:16.920 and I think

00:16:17.540 that's a possibility

00:16:18.380 but it's a very

00:16:18.980 unlikely possibility

00:16:20.100 so two reasons

00:16:22.260 I think it's

00:16:22.760 unlikely

00:16:23.100 one is a thought

00:16:24.080 experiment reason

00:16:24.920 and two is

00:16:25.500 humanity is the

00:16:27.060 result of

00:16:28.200 essentially a

00:16:28.920 biological AI

00:16:29.820 that was attempting

00:16:30.960 to have a utility

00:16:32.120 function that was

00:16:32.980 based on self-replication

00:16:34.140 the problem with

00:16:35.140 self-replication

00:16:35.880 systems is they

00:16:37.200 typically devolve

00:16:38.140 into very simplistic

00:16:39.320 systems

00:16:39.960 I would call it

00:16:41.040 like gray goo

00:16:41.720 AIs 0.98

00:16:42.300 that just try to 0.62

00:16:43.760 constantly you

00:16:45.080 know process

00:16:45.620 things and

00:16:46.160 expand but

00:16:47.560 iterations of

00:16:48.640 that system that

00:16:49.440 evolve randomly

00:16:50.460 to be more

00:16:51.240 complex typically

00:16:52.620 end up dominating

00:16:53.720 the environment

00:16:54.440 these simple

00:16:55.140 systems are in

00:16:55.860 and out

00:16:56.540 competing these

00:16:57.320 simple systems

00:16:58.060 humanity is an

00:16:59.280 example of

00:16:59.900 bacteria turning

00:17:00.840 into one of

00:17:01.400 these things and

00:17:02.180 then through our

00:17:03.520 intelligence being

00:17:04.500 able to dominate

00:17:06.080 our environment

00:17:07.380 even more so in

00:17:08.780 the future and

00:17:09.360 AI even more so

00:17:10.320 than us but

00:17:11.440 there's also the

00:17:12.280 in Stargate SG

00:17:13.280 when the

00:17:13.620 replicators

00:17:14.140 plotline which

00:17:15.280 I think really

00:17:15.740 dives into this

00:17:16.460 which is yes

00:17:17.020 you can have

00:17:17.760 very simple

00:17:18.460 self-replicating

00:17:19.380 technology by

00:17:20.460 the way I

00:17:20.700 think that they

00:17:21.100 are genuinely

00:17:21.600 one of the

00:17:22.000 scariest villains

00:17:23.000 in any sci-fi

00:17:24.140 I have ever

00:17:24.540 always always

00:17:25.600 did you remember

00:17:26.780 them like when

00:17:27.380 you whatever

00:17:27.740 they would

00:17:28.200 yeah

00:17:28.800 because I

00:17:30.000 mean like for

00:17:30.520 example reavers

00:17:31.240 are like scary

00:17:32.260 but they're just

00:17:33.240 like either they're

00:17:34.240 like a combination

00:17:34.900 combination of

00:17:35.820 space zombies and

00:17:36.680 space pirates

00:17:37.260 whereas like the

00:17:38.640 the replicators are

00:17:39.660 just like totally

00:17:41.080 unlike us no way

00:17:42.700 to relate like you

00:17:43.960 can't use any

00:17:44.760 normal you know

00:17:45.360 if you you leave

00:17:46.100 one thing alive on

00:17:47.160 a ship or something

00:17:47.800 you do not

00:17:48.700 completely destroy

00:17:49.880 literally everything

00:17:51.160 every time there's

00:17:51.960 an infestation

00:17:52.700 terrifying the

00:17:53.380 entire galaxy is

00:17:54.320 potentially at risk

00:17:54.960 but the replicators

00:17:56.380 actually end up

00:17:57.360 being basically the

00:17:58.560 simple replication

00:17:59.780 of the replicators

00:18:01.060 end up being wiped

00:18:01.880 out by more evolved

00:18:04.300 replicators that now

00:18:05.900 have new utility

00:18:06.880 functions that are

00:18:07.580 much closer to like

00:18:08.560 human utility

00:18:09.240 functions and stuff

00:18:10.000 like that and I

00:18:11.120 think that this is

00:18:11.580 something you're

00:18:12.000 going to constantly

00:18:12.760 see which is the

00:18:13.820 problem with these

00:18:14.800 incredibly simplistic

00:18:15.940 utility functions is

00:18:18.380 that they lead to

00:18:19.480 simplistic self

00:18:20.440 optimization and the

00:18:22.320 simplistic self

00:18:23.080 optimization then gets

00:18:24.560 outcompeted by more

00:18:25.660 complex self

00:18:26.440 optimization and it's

00:18:27.940 why it is unlikely

00:18:29.300 that just self

00:18:30.260 replication is the

00:18:32.080 convergent utility

00:18:32.900 function that all

00:18:33.700 things come to so I

00:18:35.580 think that that's the

00:18:36.440 way where you like

00:18:37.360 engage with sci-fi and

00:18:38.440 it can tell you

00:18:39.120 things about where

00:18:39.680 things go also like

00:18:41.020 the you know when

00:18:42.220 I'm talking about

00:18:42.740 okay a government

00:18:43.380 that's like watching

00:18:44.720 all over humanity

00:18:45.540 the story that I

00:18:46.820 told there the

00:18:47.720 lesson would be from

00:18:49.160 like an anime based

00:18:50.240 around this or like a

00:18:51.300 tv series based around

00:18:52.520 this concept of a

00:18:53.840 person accidentally

00:18:54.500 creating a fooming

00:18:55.200 AI by by doing it to

00:18:57.120 fulfill fetishes

00:18:57.780 basically is that when

00:19:00.040 you attach additional

00:19:02.680 social schema to like a

00:19:05.820 bubble that's meant to

00:19:06.580 protect us from AI like 0.99

00:19:08.120 well it should also

00:19:08.780 protect us from like

00:19:10.240 naughty sex acts or

00:19:11.500 something like that 0.98

00:19:12.480 you create windows that

00:19:14.860 motivate people to get

00:19:16.140 around it who might not

00:19:17.400 have otherwise been

00:19:18.120 interested in getting

00:19:18.860 around it which can

00:19:20.140 lead to total

00:19:20.760 destruction so it's

00:19:22.400 important to keep in

00:19:23.980 mind what your actual

00:19:25.560 goals are when creating

00:19:26.760 these systems and these

00:19:28.280 are the cool things we

00:19:29.140 can learn from sci-fi when

00:19:30.300 the sci-fi really engages

00:19:32.180 with creating a

00:19:33.500 sustainable future world

00:19:34.900 in actually plausible

00:19:36.700 future plot lines oh

00:19:39.620 this reminds us of a so

00:19:41.440 there was a book that

00:19:42.100 we were thinking of

00:19:42.680 writing we never got

00:19:43.280 around to writing it but

00:19:44.080 we can talk about it

00:19:44.920 here because I thought

00:19:46.020 it was very interesting

00:19:46.540 so what I wanted to do

00:19:48.100 is I wanted to write a

00:19:50.120 modern version of

00:19:51.960 mythology but I wanted

00:19:54.280 it to be so basically I

00:19:56.200 took inspiration from

00:19:57.080 Tolkien so if you look

00:19:58.300 at Tolkien what he was

00:19:59.340 doing like I'm like no

00:20:00.500 one there haven't been

00:20:01.760 that new that mini new

00:20:03.780 like completely new

00:20:05.740 genres and so I wanted

00:20:07.540 to look at Tolkien's work

00:20:08.640 and get inspiration where

00:20:09.880 did he how did he create

00:20:10.880 this persistent and

00:20:12.020 completely new genre and

00:20:13.780 he got it by replicating a

00:20:16.940 fictionalized version of

00:20:19.980 sort of old mythology that

00:20:21.560 he was studying you know

00:20:22.400 he was a research like a

00:20:24.740 PhD in Norse mythology

00:20:26.060 right and other types of

00:20:27.760 Scandinavian mythology and

00:20:29.680 stuff and so a lot of the

00:20:30.980 stuff that he was taking

00:20:31.720 was was from northern

00:20:33.060 European mythological

00:20:34.440 frameworks and so we

00:20:36.260 said well what if we took

00:20:37.260 it from like like weirder

00:20:39.160 so if you look at like

00:20:39.920 Irish mythology right you

00:20:41.800 can get a lot of really

00:20:42.720 interesting stuff now he

00:20:43.940 took some stuff from

00:20:44.560 Irish mythology but I

00:20:45.460 don't think he captured

00:20:46.060 the vibe of Irish

00:20:47.000 mythology which comes to

00:20:48.980 like elves or or gnome

00:20:51.640 sort of things that are

00:20:53.780 like in the woods around

00:20:55.620 your house and that mess

00:20:57.640 with you in specific ways

00:20:59.560 when you get home well one

00:21:01.680 of these mischievous sort

00:21:02.800 of forest creatures have

00:21:04.320 messed with you but that

00:21:05.120 are also in a way

00:21:06.640 malicious you know they

00:21:08.060 are not you know they

00:21:08.760 may replace your kid you

00:21:10.040 know this is stuff like

00:21:11.340 that you know that might

00:21:12.120 be a doppelganger or

00:21:12.980 something like that

00:21:13.540 these sort of malicious

00:21:15.200 things that are constantly

00:21:16.660 interacting with your

00:21:17.760 daily life but like on

00:21:19.000 another fabric of reality

00:21:20.480 and so I started to think

00:21:21.840 okay well if you were

00:21:22.720 going to recreate that for

00:21:23.520 the modern age what would

00:21:24.360 it look like and I was

00:21:25.300 like well I guess what you

00:21:26.760 could do is say that

00:21:28.180 online it turns out that

00:21:31.280 a portion of the people

00:21:32.320 online let's say like

00:21:33.060 five percent of the

00:21:33.760 people online are not

00:21:35.160 actually humans they

00:21:36.680 don't actually live

00:21:37.800 within our reality at

00:21:39.560 all it's a completely

00:21:40.880 different universe that

00:21:42.540 we are connecting with

00:21:43.540 and it is a universe that

00:21:45.440 is drawing power from

00:21:46.980 their interactions with

00:21:48.160 us and has like an

00:21:49.120 economy through this in

00:21:50.500 the same way that like

00:21:51.140 these beings might you

00:21:52.060 know sell souls or

00:21:52.980 something like that you

00:21:53.640 know so what I like this

00:21:54.840 because it creates a

00:21:55.940 plausible mythology and

00:21:57.200 it could be written the

00:21:58.320 story could be written in

00:21:59.220 a way that feels

00:22:00.720 plausibly true like it's

00:22:02.000 a series of like journal

00:22:03.120 entries or entries like

00:22:04.200 that from people who are

00:22:06.000 trying to anthropologically

00:22:08.380 study these online

00:22:10.860 entities and so these I

00:22:13.500 think we call them like

00:22:14.040 the evanescence or

00:22:14.840 something like that and

00:22:16.180 the the so it was like

00:22:18.040 a research journal of

00:22:18.840 like okay so I think I

00:22:19.660 spotted one here here's

00:22:20.700 what it's doing and

00:22:21.480 here's why it's doing

00:22:22.580 this so these entities

00:22:24.580 would have basically

00:22:26.220 existed completely

00:22:28.060 outside our reality and

00:22:30.180 then when we created

00:22:31.520 online reality and when

00:22:32.840 people began to build

00:22:33.920 fame and get a lot of

00:22:35.760 like emotional

00:22:36.460 transference to them from

00:22:38.840 other people they began

00:22:40.740 to be able to see these

00:22:42.020 people or or see them

00:22:43.560 within their reality

00:22:44.500 because that's the way

00:22:45.320 that their reality works

00:22:46.480 their reality things

00:22:48.540 exist more the more

00:22:50.540 other things are focused

00:22:52.040 on them so you could

00:22:53.500 think of it as a reality

00:22:54.460 where you have tons of

00:22:55.240 these little like almost

00:22:56.960 consciousnesses but like

00:22:58.280 very very weak

00:22:59.120 consciousnesses and these

00:23:00.640 consciousnesses like

00:23:01.460 evolutionarily would gain

00:23:02.940 power when they could get

00:23:04.020 other consciousnesses to

00:23:05.180 focus on them and and

00:23:07.080 they would become more

00:23:08.540 intelligent and more

00:23:09.560 sophisticated and then

00:23:10.580 they would use that to

00:23:11.660 begin to you know gain

00:23:13.100 more power and you would

00:23:13.920 have like evolution within

00:23:15.100 this world of like floating

00:23:16.280 consciousnesses but when

00:23:17.780 our world began to act

00:23:19.260 more like that it began to

00:23:20.720 imprint on their world to

00:23:22.280 some extent where they

00:23:22.900 could begin to see these

00:23:23.940 online celebrities and

00:23:24.900 what they were doing and

00:23:26.020 then they begin to find

00:23:26.940 ways to inject themselves

00:23:28.220 within the online sphere

00:23:29.620 but their goal within the

00:23:32.260 online sphere is internet

00:23:34.540 popularity but in a way

00:23:37.000 where they can't be found

00:23:38.180 out as not real people and

00:23:40.200 so the the they would do

00:23:42.660 things like arbitrarily

00:23:43.920 create emotional pain and

00:23:45.560 stuff like that like

00:23:46.180 trolling and stuff like

00:23:47.320 that so you could say a lot

00:23:48.040 of trolls like why would

00:23:48.800 somebody really do that all

00:23:49.760 day well it could be one of

00:23:50.780 these little like online

00:23:51.700 gremlin sort of things or

00:23:53.700 you know pretend to be oh

00:23:55.660 and a really cool thing is

00:23:57.820 in the world if a person

00:23:59.640 became famous enough online

00:24:01.740 was in our world the

00:24:03.640 imprint that they were

00:24:04.780 leaving in this other world

00:24:06.300 would become a separate

00:24:07.500 independent entity from

00:24:08.900 themselves that at first

00:24:10.880 would be very aligned with

00:24:12.180 them but might develop

00:24:13.460 misaligned incentives and 1.00

00:24:15.380 try to you know kill them or 1.00

00:24:17.300 take over their identity 0.99

00:24:18.820 within the online sphere so

00:24:21.120 there's also this story of

00:24:23.420 like danger from becoming

00:24:25.640 too noticed online which I

00:24:27.400 think a lot of people sort

00:24:28.580 of feel in the background and

00:24:30.400 would feel very like if the

00:24:32.640 iteration of myself which is

00:24:34.320 fake which is this online 0.98

00:24:35.460 attention whore becomes larger 0.97

00:24:37.000 than my real iteration that it 0.98

00:24:39.500 can sort of take me over like

00:24:40.980 it has this element of truth to

00:24:42.480 it and so I really liked a lot

00:24:44.640 of the stories you could tell

00:24:45.900 with this world and the

00:24:46.940 conflicts you could have with

00:24:48.040 this world but obviously we

00:24:49.780 decided we did not have time

00:24:50.940 to write a book that was just

00:24:52.220 fiction knowing how hard it is

00:24:54.180 to even just write our

00:24:55.100 non-fiction books you know

00:24:56.120 we've done five of those

00:24:57.140 already but yeah what are your

00:24:58.800 thoughts Simone?

00:25:00.320 I think we call it the

00:25:01.320 ephemera I liked it but yeah I

00:25:02.840 mean I think it may still be

00:25:04.420 something we make up for our

00:25:07.100 kids I mean I think it's really

00:25:08.880 fun when parents just like have

00:25:10.340 persistent lies that they tell

00:25:11.360 their kids and their kids

00:25:12.520 don't realize it because I want

00:25:13.720 I want aside from just

00:25:15.780 Christmas our kids to know

00:25:17.560 that the world just lies to

00:25:18.940 them sometimes but even then

00:25:21.980 like it still can impart some

00:25:23.260 helpful like suspicions and

00:25:26.240 intuitions even after they

00:25:27.460 realize that it's a complete

00:25:28.400 lie so fun stuff

00:25:29.680 well I also think as a kid you

00:25:31.500 know if you tell a kid like we

00:25:32.880 were told as kids oh people 0.94

00:25:34.340 online are like evil rapists who 0.90

00:25:35.920 are going to hurt you they're 0.99

00:25:37.600 like well then I just won't meet

00:25:38.440 with them in person or whatever

00:25:39.400 right you know it undersells the

00:25:41.740 danger of people online but if

00:25:43.700 they think people online are

00:25:45.080 like ethereal gremlins trying

00:25:46.920 to steal their attention for

00:25:48.520 their own benefit that might

00:25:50.400 cause them to in a way be more

00:25:52.180 wary of people online than even

00:25:54.620 the true stories like a lot of

00:25:55.940 these stories about forest

00:25:57.000 creatures were originally told to

00:25:59.780 keep kids from wandering off into

00:26:01.080 the woods and getting eaten by

00:26:02.220 wolves yeah exactly because

00:26:04.000 telling them about monsters and

00:26:05.460 witches scared them more than

00:26:07.540 telling them about wolves and

00:26:09.060 bandits and so I wonder

00:26:11.720 if you could also maybe even

00:26:13.680 motivate them more and you

00:26:14.720 could build stories about like

00:26:15.980 only fans or something like

00:26:17.420 that you know anyway it'd be

00:26:19.860 interesting yeah no I well I

00:26:22.500 generally like the idea of

00:26:23.880 creating new lore I mean it's

00:26:26.300 sort of already exists on my

00:26:27.460 line but it's a little bit too

00:26:28.700 literal so fun idea we didn't

00:26:31.300 unfortunately talk about this in

00:26:32.940 the prejudice guide to crafting

00:26:33.960 religion we didn't talk about

00:26:35.060 like the the different ways people

00:26:37.960 could create new lore like we

00:26:39.140 talked about how like for

00:26:40.040 example in like the Jewish

00:26:42.280 tradition there's a lot of

00:26:43.340 holidays just dedicated to lore

00:26:45.240 to like kind of explain who we

00:26:46.760 are and what we're all about but

00:26:48.660 like that isn't I mean there

00:26:51.360 there are many oh yeah I forgot

00:26:53.380 about the other fictional

00:26:54.360 universe we really wanted to

00:26:55.460 create so what we did we could do

00:26:57.540 a video on this there's a space

00:26:58.720 one that I was really interested

00:27:00.400 in that was like a space saga that

00:27:01.780 I could talk about but then the

00:27:03.040 one about Yellowstone which is a

00:27:05.020 post Yellowstone eruption world

00:27:06.800 where this is when you came up

00:27:08.780 with on your own before you even

00:27:10.180 yeah Yellowstone itself because

00:27:12.060 it's this constant volcano it

00:27:13.520 turns out that the thermal energy

00:27:14.660 there is very useful for creating

00:27:16.920 like battery technology gets

00:27:18.760 better but power generation

00:27:20.080 technology does not get better so

00:27:21.980 that in this world even though

00:27:24.220 it's like the sea of lava you

00:27:25.840 would have a large corporate or

00:27:28.480 religious controlled cities was in 0.99

00:27:30.300 it that were constantly generating

00:27:32.560 power like that was the industry of

00:27:34.060 the in the region but that around

00:27:37.040 that you know the sailing on the

00:27:39.280 seas of lava and stuff like that

00:27:40.700 you would have a lot of reasons to

00:27:42.940 have sort of bandit groups and stuff

00:27:44.120 like that and the focus of this

00:27:45.420 world was actually on religious

00:27:47.320 institutions so it was let's create

00:27:49.640 a world in which various religions

00:27:52.480 are much closer to the truth than

00:27:54.380 they are in our reality and you know

00:27:56.640 you actually have a god and angels

00:27:59.880 and everything like that and they

00:28:02.000 actually begin to interact with

00:28:03.760 humanity a lot more directly and

00:28:06.360 once that happens once they can

00:28:08.280 interact with humanity in a way

00:28:09.720 where like they're interacting with

00:28:11.380 the laws of physics well then they

00:28:13.560 can be defined and learned about by

00:28:16.980 humans and well a portion of humanity

00:28:19.080 would be you know subject themselves

00:28:21.520 to them so this actually takes place

00:28:22.740 during the what's the word the

00:28:24.640 rapture so this this world exists but

00:28:27.620 also humanity is raptured so that's

00:28:29.060 that's why we would know about like

00:28:30.260 angels and everything like that but

00:28:31.880 a portion of humanity attempts to

00:28:34.020 learn about them like through

00:28:35.140 scientific means in the same way you

00:28:36.920 could say angels did in the bible and

00:28:38.380 overthrow the system you know utilize

00:28:40.420 the system for itself utilize demons

00:28:42.800 as an energy source utilize angels as

00:28:45.540 an energy source do all the types of

00:28:47.760 horrible things that humans do and

00:28:50.320 become an actual meaningful powerful

00:28:54.280 faction in this great game of the

00:28:56.340 universe while the core antagonists of

00:28:59.180 the series aren't even these humans

00:29:00.460 it's the the buddhist faction which is

00:29:02.380 trying to end the cycle like collapse

00:29:04.180 all reality but anyway it'd be very

00:29:06.440 fun i thought it'd be a very fun series

00:29:08.320 but that's another one that's not being

00:29:09.820 made because i was actually making it

00:29:11.380 as a video game i could go into all the

00:29:13.340 plot lines in it i like sketched it all

00:29:15.140 out um yeah but that that's enough that's

00:29:17.640 enough we okay well i love you simone and

00:29:19.920 i appreciate you dealing with all of my

00:29:22.340 little fictional universes in my head

00:29:24.240 that i love to play in and have fun in and

00:29:27.020 imagine when i was younger i spent so much

00:29:28.940 time just interacting and writing the

00:29:31.300 storylines as i was walking between

00:29:33.080 places for these worlds it is

00:29:35.380 magnificent and i love it and i hope

00:29:37.360 that our kids do similar things and share

00:29:39.020 their stories with us i love you too

00:29:41.420 all right i don't think there's any

00:29:46.060 thought-out meat for you

Based Camp - October 20, 2023

Cyberpunk Demonstrates Pro-Natalists are Right

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