Based Camp - Dangerous Right Wing Extremist... Nerds？ (Leaflit Deep Lore)

00:00:00.000 No, actually, this is what, so I was just saying that Leaflet is like one of my top three sources of news. And Simone was like, this is the way news should be. And like, if you had told me as a young man, well, when you grow up, you see, it turns out the New York Times, nobody trusted anymore.

00:00:14.720 you know you you go to uh wall street journal nobody trusts it anymore but you see there's

00:00:21.300 like these anime characters online and um a lot of people really trust them not only that and it's

00:00:29.040 like oh what what's their credentials like how does everybody know that they you know are they

00:00:32.940 like war correspondents or something and it's like no it's just like everybody starts lying

00:00:38.800 and so like the five people who aren't like everybody takes super seriously yeah and there's

00:00:44.200 like that sounds insane and it's like no no it's weirder you see it turns out that like

00:00:50.980 the type of music you listen to is going to regularly feature these random anime characters

00:00:57.520 oh like the whole like the skybrows like oh it's so funny

00:01:04.360 we had uh one of our kids uh who's watching skybrows because i play skybrows all the time

00:01:11.360 while I'm working or whatever I like it yeah I think they're pretty good um and uh you know

00:01:16.900 so our daughter likes to identify with every female character she sees so she goes oh that's

00:01:22.780 me and usually I'm like okay yeah sure yeah that's you um and this I was like oh no actually

00:01:27.720 uh that's one of my friends and one of our older kids was like wait one of your friends that's

00:01:32.480 like an that's like an animated character because those aren't real and I'm like well okay so this

00:01:38.780 is gonna take a little bit of time to explain but sometimes they're real

00:01:46.660 Simone what's this uh sign on the screen is this something we can get rid of

00:01:51.380 the live yeah why why does it think we're live I don't know I don't know but we're not

00:02:01.580 there it's gone I've made it disappear everything's going to be okay now I invented a new dish today

00:02:07.320 which is actually pretty good um what's that so mac and cheese is extra pepper like black pepper

00:02:14.760 uh-huh it actually works really well i think it's done a lot of restaurants as it is what

00:02:19.640 made me realize this is a lot of like asian dishes that you've been making recently just

00:02:25.260 use obscene amounts of black pepper um you know like pepper chicken and stuff like that i was

00:02:29.700 like why why why don't i do this with everything why not okay flavor when it's freshly cracked and

00:02:37.660 stuff but the reason i'm so excited to talk with leaflet today because the first time we talked

00:02:41.960 with her apparently was like your first time talking to somebody else sorry i should uh give

00:02:48.680 some context so leaflet is um quickly growing in influence i think she'll soon be i mean just based

00:02:55.280 on my viewing but i think she'll soon be one of the sort of dominant right wing streamers um in

00:03:02.000 terms of like interesting ideas um and we brought her on ages ago um and uh since then she's gone

00:03:09.540 on all the channels she's always on the uh the the side scrollers yeah side scrollers and stuff

00:03:14.880 like that um and she's always on every sky browse video every one of the sky browse videos it's like

00:03:20.880 three effing leaflet appearances if i can have as much mental space as somebody's room um and uh

00:03:27.660 you guys were on too yeah he did he did one with us one with us yeah was it the creepy manjaro one

00:03:34.020 yeah creepy manjaro that was the best one that was my favorite one oh i really like the amelia one

00:03:39.680 i like that one too yeah yeah um but what i wanted to do is this video so for all our fans who are

00:03:46.300 coming here to learn something about the world because i was like how is it weird that uh you're

00:03:49.700 what am i major supposed to do no no no i don't want to do that in this video i want to focus on

00:03:53.460 like nerd stuff specifically sure so i want to focus on because when i first heard that like

00:03:59.980 you had built a world yeah and i asked you about it last time i think you were a little

00:04:04.100 like you didn't you you probably were like somebody doesn't actually want all the lore

00:04:08.080 and i'm like no no no no no no no no no no no no no you were still working on it though i don't

00:04:15.100 think it had gone live yet yeah it's it's out now and it's grown a lot since then like we have

00:04:19.560 over like a hundred and forty players now oh my god but like that's not like players who are

00:04:27.500 playing in you know with their friends and whatever this is like one campaign like imagine

00:04:32.860 like one tabletop one damn explain how this works one sorry okay so i need to zoom back for the

00:04:40.340 audience here okay so um there it's like tabletop gaming um and uh tabletop gaming happens in like

00:04:47.240 dnd is the most famous example you got past finders all that and sometimes people will create

00:04:53.300 their own uh lore and worlds um and that is what she has done but it appears that somehow you

00:04:59.840 created like an mmo version of tabletop gaming so explain sure i can so it started off uh i was

00:05:08.820 running this campaign for like such a long time like i looked and i was like i like what 14 000

00:05:15.860 hours or something and like roll 20 yeah i'm like crazy so like no this is good i went through some

00:05:23.200 really really bad times in my life i was like super depressed i didn't like do anything all

00:05:27.680 i did was tabletop i was like i'm just gonna play tabletop go sleep wake up play tabletop so

00:05:31.940 all of that stuff and like translated into the vtuber stuff and the company and all the stuff

00:05:37.340 that we do is like based on that so like that campaign has been running for that long like

00:05:42.220 over 10 years yeah i mean it's not cool that you were like in a dark place oh no it sounds like it

00:05:49.360 sounds like a show's plot like you know girl gets depressed and then like literally falls into an

00:05:55.700 alternate universe and it's a little izakaya-ish and like that is and then like becomes like an

00:06:00.060 internet celebrity and then it's straight out of like a show plot and then i didn't like expect

00:06:06.640 any of this like if if you told me like years ago that i would be doing this i'd be like you're crazy

00:06:12.640 that is okay so i want to dig in to how this came to be this world but i also want to get into like

00:06:20.720 because i watch so for people who don't know like the content that i'm familiar with from her

00:06:26.060 is from youtube and it's a fan of hers who clips it and she sort of shares it 50 50 with the fan

00:06:31.320 um and uh puts together her youtube but what that means is i don't get all of the lore and

00:06:37.320 backstories to your characters to your world like okay brief question just to start sure what's the

00:06:44.580 difference between the goo girl character and the character you are now and are they actually the

00:06:49.460 same character is it sort of like this okay so it's a slime okay yeah yeah reincarnated slime

00:06:55.440 is one of my favorite izakai's so me too me too okay okay okay i'm a slime girl right so like

00:07:03.480 the the story is that my character is half slime so my character's dad is a slime and my character's

00:07:10.080 mom is a fae and there's like an entire like this all came up because like years ago when i was

00:07:16.220 running this campaign for so long right one of the players was like but what if i want to have a kid

00:07:22.120 games like what happens if like i'm a cat folk and my wife is a slime and so like i was like

00:07:27.880 damn it so like now i had to like write all of this lore behind it and it ended up being used

00:07:33.600 for this to like make my character so my character is technically her race is chimera which is like

00:07:41.620 magically mutated biological thing so like for instance a cat folk would be a chimera but they

00:07:49.360 would be of the cat folk like type like sub species type right and even with them that there's

00:07:55.360 even two different like phenotypes there's like the canalith and the zoalith which is like the

00:08:01.060 difference would be like if you had a a rat girl versus like a skaven sorry first of all one of my

00:08:07.540 favorite things about this conversation if there is a huge population on the internet who sees both

00:08:12.860 of us as right-wing extremists and this is a conversation that to the internet right-wing

00:08:19.180 extremists well you've got the chimera of the cat girl um okay so so your character came out

00:08:28.920 of an individual play session that you were playing she's an npc so okay so so she's not

00:08:34.660 even my oc that's a funny thing so yeah she's not so this character so when i was making my

00:08:39.920 vtuber character i was like well i don't really want to be like the girl i want to be like just

00:08:48.340 some random villager office lady and that's what lethal is she's like the guild receptionist of

00:08:54.320 the guild so the player character some dm in the game the player characters they went through this

00:09:00.220 really really long campaign they ended defeating the big bad and they're settling down they're

00:09:05.420 like let's make an adventuring guild right so they found the adventuring guild and my character

00:09:09.920 is the receptionist of the guild so i'm not even like a main character or anything like that

00:09:14.120 no i actually really like this um as as a world that was created by the adventuring guild

00:09:22.520 receptionist yeah sounds very fitting for like an anime um uh have you have you watched the one

00:09:30.200 about the adventuring guild receptionist i have is that the one where she's really powerful yeah

00:09:34.700 yeah yeah i haven't seen it yet yeah it's actually it's decent it's decent um okay so uh you when you

00:09:42.240 were playing this particular campaign was this in your world or was this before your world existed

00:09:47.820 all of it is the same world ever since the first one so there's been like different timelines like

00:09:54.360 some take place like thousands of years in the past but it's all one continuous world

00:09:58.300 okay and go ahead no continue um i want to keep hearing but you you have multiple campaigns that

00:10:05.620 you place in different times first i got to hear about the logistics how do you do this many people

00:10:09.460 in one campaign oh you're talking about that one so that one is the newest one so that's the 10th

00:10:14.100 campaign i think it's the 10th one and so what happened is we developed this this rpg right the

00:10:20.820 tabletop rpg and we released that we released it like the system's out like an alpha like anyone

00:10:24.880 can play it for free it's kind of like imagine dungeons and dragons but the difference is the

00:10:29.520 rules are online so anybody can play it there's no fee and then it updates every two weeks two

00:10:35.540 to three weeks so we have like patches so it's i hate to use the term but it's like a live service

00:10:40.340 tabletop rpg kind of that's actually really interesting okay so if i understand this

00:10:45.580 correctly people play individual campaigns with small groups yes but what's politically happening

00:10:52.120 in the world change like politically gw i don't know what you call it but like that's changing as

00:10:57.220 they're playing okay so so it goes like this so you know we have we have we have the game we have

00:11:02.620 the live service thing right and what happened was as we were playing this we were like we don't have

00:11:07.320 enough people testing the game and somebody was like well have you heard of west marches you know

00:11:12.600 what west marches is no okay so like have you heard of west marches and what west marches is

00:11:16.740 it's a format of tabletop rpgs where you have all of these individual parties and they can do

00:11:24.040 whatever they want in this world but then like what they do like actually affects things that

00:11:27.420 other parties see so like what happened was we're like what if we do that like a canon campaign

00:11:32.240 where players can feel like they're actually a part of like the leaflet world and the leaflet

00:11:36.960 lore and then they can affect the world so like we're like okay so let me sit down and like make

00:11:41.320 a setting for it and what we invented was a setting separated from the main continents like

00:11:46.900 where leaflet lives right now is like a different that's like the main area and then we separate it

00:11:51.260 off so there's this there's this concept in the story um there's a place called the astral line

00:11:56.680 and it's basically like imagine like the equator but it's just giant like irradiated zone it's like

00:12:02.860 magic is messed up there and it corrupts stuff right so these adventures are basically and normally

00:12:10.540 you have to be a really high level adventure to go there because they don't want people going there

00:12:13.740 but this person set up like this kind of bootleg village where they're like okay anybody that wants

00:12:19.680 to go in like you know you could come here and then like there's a way to get in there right

00:12:23.380 so the players are those people they're like the the we're not official adventurers but like

00:12:29.800 you know screw it we're gonna go in there and uh we're gonna look and whatever reason so like some

00:12:35.280 players are like so what makes the line irradiated like what makes it dangerous okay so it's a little

00:12:42.160 bit okay there was an event that happened in the game in previous things and it caused an event in

00:12:49.600 which this happened i i can't really say it because it's like it's a spoiler and like everybody's

00:12:55.340 trying to figure that out right now oh that's awesome okay okay i can tell you later though

00:13:00.520 in what way is it so you you call it a rainy i guess what i'm trying to find out is like what

00:13:05.280 makes it hostile feeling is it like unusual numbers of monsters mana snapping like what's

00:13:10.720 this thing that makes it dangerous so like this force is called astra and it's a type of magic

00:13:15.980 so there's like the different types of magic okay astra is like the least understood one

00:13:19.980 and what it does is it tends to just make weird effects but the the biggest effect that it has

00:13:28.960 that's bad is that it will sometimes corrupt the thing and it doesn't have this is the thing it

00:13:34.520 doesn't have to be a biological thing like it could be like it could be but it could also be

00:13:38.620 like a house or like and are you familiar with scp it's kind of like that the scp foundation yes

00:13:45.700 like oh yeah we we talked about that was the thing i talked to you about where they make up all the

00:13:49.700 monsters yeah and they have the entire lord it's so cool oh yeah okay i love watching scp lore

00:13:57.820 videos um yeah it's similar to that so like things get corrupted so like yeah a house for instance

00:14:04.000 or like like one of the the big dangerous ones is a mirror and there's like this mirror and like

00:14:08.800 it's just a corrupted mirror and it's the corrupted concept of a mirror so it's like rather than being

00:14:13.520 like a creature that like stands up and attacks you it like if you look into it it like corrupts

00:14:20.260 you basically our kids are obsessed with this as soon as they get like literate i'm actually almost

00:14:25.440 more interested in how so it sounds like the way you developed your universe if i'm if i'm wrong

00:14:30.560 here is you started uh just sort of building on it as you played session after session and then

00:14:37.640 new things get added it reminds me of um and somebody as i described like modern judaism is

00:14:43.640 a bit like this but it's just been around forever and then people added new things new things new

00:14:48.020 things and now when you look at like orthodox jews it's like fashion trends from like two

00:14:53.500 different centuries all implanted on top of each other uh not to two millennia like and we're just

00:15:00.060 gonna uh because when you're like different types of magic okay first of all i want to know about

00:15:05.020 the different types of like sure let's zoom into that yeah all right of course so like the i love

00:15:11.380 this by the way like i i sometimes do this on stream i just i just nerd out about lauren like

00:15:15.200 like people ask because the people that play the game want to know and they're like oh it's time

00:15:19.220 it's time for the leaflet lore session time to like time to figure out stuff that she won't tell

00:15:24.260 us right try to bait her into telling us stuff but uh so there's like arcane magic and that's like

00:15:29.700 the that's like your typical understanding like sort of science magic where like they have an

00:15:36.020 understanding that there's like this energy force and then like they could take the energy force

00:15:40.300 into themselves and then program it and then use that to like use magical effects and the extension

00:15:46.460 of that is called artificing which is if you know artificing but basically it's taking that

00:15:52.780 programming but making a circuit that goes into an item so that it can you can put the mana into

00:15:58.560 the item and it like follows that exact circuit which allows non-spell casters to cast okay so

00:16:04.940 like in the world like everybody uses magic like even like fighters like they would like have a

00:16:09.560 sword that has like that circuit in it and they would all use magic that way so i i first off no

00:16:15.740 i just have to say this is really annoying to me have you heard of harry potter and the methods

00:16:19.340 of rationality no i have not okay it's basically harry potter fan fiction it was like well what if

00:16:24.520 we took rational yeah he's he's an he's an ai doomer now but like i mean this is one of the

00:16:30.640 things that made him famous and what was really fun was this premise of like what if someone just

00:16:35.300 really thoughtful took this wizard universe and was like okay well what if we like apply some

00:16:40.160 more like principles of basic physics to this and stuff like that but he doesn't really follow

00:16:44.300 through with it and what i love what i'm hearing here is you're like well what have we like actually

00:16:48.480 thought through how like this magic would work and how we could apply it to objects and like

00:16:52.500 how in a real world non-magical people would start to leverage it and and like add it to

00:16:57.800 i have uh friends who don't know this if you if you have if you're on our like subscriber i have

00:17:02.800 a number of stories that i've played out with like uh the the site that we run reality fabricated

00:17:07.900 where i try to go through like different magical universes um but okay so now i'm immediately

00:17:12.320 interested in if this can be so this system where does magic come from and how can it be stored

00:17:18.680 uh so there's two ways one people naturally there's like a biological magic container that

00:17:26.220 people can have and then the other form is as fuel so like they can create like a distilled

00:17:32.380 magical fuel so these like items i'm telling you about they use like cartridges that like people

00:17:36.960 put like a like a bullet in it but it's like a mat it's like just a fuel canister well put it in

00:17:42.220 yeah i should i should be more direct about what i'm trying to do so what i love doing in these

00:17:46.200 universes is trying to figure out how their physics work to find out how i can exploit them

00:17:50.640 to become extremely powerful so what i'm asking here is uh if i wanted to fill up a canister of

00:17:57.180 magic in your universe right um where like what's the process for that um basically so right now

00:18:05.560 the main way to get it is to mine like it's like a fossil fuel as people will mine like a fossil

00:18:11.620 fuel of magic clever way to not make it easily breakable so it's not something i could take from

00:18:17.900 captives it's not something i can take from an environment i need to literally mine it

00:18:22.100 so the funny thing is is there was a way to do this um so one system that we have is this thing

00:18:28.620 called divine arms have you watched a comic a kill oh which one is that i i the one with assassins

00:18:37.140 and like they want to take down the government and then they have these these weapons that like

00:18:42.180 nobody understands how they were made um is you're not talking about clevitas right

00:18:50.280 no no i haven't watched that one so basically there's these ancient weapons that nobody knows

00:18:56.300 how they're made or what they're made out of and the methods of their creation aren't understood

00:19:01.020 and there was one that did this that basically converted people's lives into like bullets

00:19:06.840 so they would like shoot other countries with them like an artillery yeah but it got blown up

00:19:11.200 recently but someone's trying to rebuild it but that's a little that's that's another story

00:19:15.660 wait hold on so okay so is it is there any understanding in the universe of why this

00:19:23.420 thing that they're mining has this power um it's basically like like fossil fuels it's like as

00:19:30.360 things die and they have like magic in them that like kind of distills into like rocks and like

00:19:36.360 different things that they can they can mine up and then like that's clever i like yeah

00:19:42.300 biological being can produce magic that maybe like there's something in them that when dot they die

00:19:47.760 like yeah yeah yeah all of the types of magic yeah that yeah exists oh that's pretty you know

00:19:55.440 if i was making this universe uh the twist i would use is that it turns out that this is actually

00:20:01.700 their souls that people are burning through like it's like that's a different magic okay

00:20:06.540 kind of so like that's how divine magic works in the setting so divine magic is the idea that

00:20:16.240 if you believe in something a piece of you goes to that so like oh very like Neil Gaiman

00:20:24.380 American Gods yeah yeah kind of like that it doesn't really matter what it is to you right

00:20:29.000 like if it's a concept you believe in it would like send like some of that energy of your soul

00:20:34.740 to that whether that's a god or even a hero right then that's how like heroes are so powerful it's

00:20:40.680 like so many people like love them does it burn your life force to use this form of magic

00:20:45.060 um it's kind of like a finite amount so it doesn't like kill you at least in the normal sense like

00:20:53.800 the typical did you ever see i i don't know i did i know this is deep i think it's called chrono

00:20:59.800 trigger or something the anime where the character like loses their light lifespan every time they

00:21:04.420 use magic yeah and i kept expecting the entire thing i was like they're not actually gonna have

00:21:08.240 her die young like there's gonna be some reversal before the end of the anime wasn't that ending

00:21:13.180 amazing it was like the best that ending was like what the you had her die as like a child like

00:21:19.380 what i did not there's there's there's not consequences to this type of magic in most

00:21:25.560 i loved it i loved i loved how they actually stuck that ending because like most people

00:21:30.980 chickened out oh absolutely i bring back consequences 100 believed they were going

00:21:38.380 to chicken out i didn't have the slightest there was no part of my brain that throughout the entire

00:21:44.360 anime thought that she was just gonna die after the big bad like being held by her best friend

00:21:50.480 right like i was like what you had set them up as like lovers and they're still children

00:21:55.900 this is the way it happened was so good too like just like the the final scene of it like man it

00:22:01.380 was it was good it was a good one yeah oh one thing you might like about the magic like in

00:22:08.200 like relation to the world is so adventuring is like think of the word adventuring when they

00:22:16.680 think of an adventurer or someone who like you know the concept like adventuring guild and you

00:22:20.440 get like ranks and stuff like that yeah the the original concept of that was um is a fighting

00:22:27.660 style called that was built around that and it's people that are able to use their internal magic

00:22:34.360 to like augment their muscles and that's like the basics of that and this is why like everyone in

00:22:41.140 the setting like like even like the level one characters can like jump like three stories and

00:22:46.580 they can like instantly teleport behind you and stuff like that using like their magic right

00:22:50.600 and the original story so this is like actually canon in the lore is that there was a character

00:22:56.680 who was a girl and she had a dad who was like this expedition who's like going on grand adventures

00:23:02.200 right and the daughter really wanted to go with him but they got to a point where like her dad

00:23:07.220 was like okay like you stay at home you you can't do any of this right and then like he would take

00:23:13.340 her brothers and she got so upset by this that like and her mom was like a mage so her mom would

00:23:19.160 teach her like oh like here's like magic for like how to heat up water here's magic how to do this

00:23:23.020 stuff right and eventually she was the first person who founded the ability to like augment

00:23:28.680 your muscles the magic and that's the explanation of why female player characters can actually fight

00:23:34.160 men i that's needed that's being needed in a setting i'm i'm actually sorry i love this is

00:23:42.580 this is why first i i just can't help but thinking in so many people's minds these are two like far

00:23:47.940 right comments that are talking you're learning about like old animals but then two it's like you

00:23:52.880 come up with explanations for stuff that the mainstream creators are not coming up with you

00:23:57.580 have like a dnd campaign or whatever and a female is just as strong as a male a female isn't as

00:24:01.200 strong as a male i mean it's not yeah right and so you're like no we have an explanation of that

00:24:06.320 you're worried but the other thing um so i want to go deeper because i want to find out how this

00:24:12.960 system can be broken okay explain to me the different types of magic okay so there's like

00:24:17.060 the divine magic which is the one i talked about yeah that'd be harder to exploit you could try to

00:24:21.040 create a cult or something it wouldn't really which they have done people have done actually

00:24:26.380 can you use divine magic to manipulate people's minds to manipulate people's minds

00:24:35.080 i mean i guess you could use any magic to do that well if you can use divine magic to do that

00:24:42.840 you can create a cascade right so if you can uh like use the divine magic that you have to get

00:24:50.640 people to worship a certain concept and then draw power from the concept you're having them worship

00:24:55.100 you could create a cascade but that that seems hard like the mining one what i what i'm impressed

00:25:02.140 about about your world is i can't think of many ways to exploit the magic work on it because

00:25:07.800 like as i was dming this stuff right so like all of this it wasn't something i planned out i was

00:25:12.500 like i sat down and i was like okay i'm gonna do this this this this this and this is like how this

00:25:16.780 system works it was like me playing with players right and again like this goes back to like a

00:25:20.780 time when i was like really really depressed so you can imagine i would like run 18 hours i would

00:25:25.520 sleep eat run 18 hours but that was like my schedule right and and so i didn't even have

00:25:30.600 time to prep for the games right so a lot of it was reactive based on like players trying to do

00:25:35.220 some bullshit and then like i would have to like okay well how do i how do i how do i write myself

00:25:41.800 out of this right i would know what's so funny is george rr martin has been working on the last

00:25:48.920 book for like for however many years and you're forced to like write new volumes every time you

00:25:54.940 go in okay yeah so i i want to understand the uh body manipulation magic what is the source of that

00:26:01.520 magic the body minute you mean like the stuff that's used to make people physically more powerful

00:26:07.780 like is that the same with the artificer magic or is that something different it's the regular

00:26:12.100 arcane magic so it's like the the ambient like force i guess it's like magic just exists in the

00:26:18.440 world it's like ambient okay of different levels not like the same level everywhere and people have

00:26:24.340 a thing called a soul core which stores all their magic so you can store magic from the ambient

00:26:29.520 magic level yeah but it's it's it's capped as to like your there's like a certain like maximum

00:26:37.240 you can't you can't can you store it in any external object

00:26:40.520 some people can but it's still reliant on magic to activate it's like the the biggest loophole

00:26:51.960 here would be like probably omyojis like they have like they can imbue their magic into ink

00:26:59.640 and then write like talismans that like have a spell effect that's like but then they also have

00:27:05.720 to use their magic to activate it still so it's not really that very well set up world i'm gonna

00:27:11.300 be honest well not now i'm impressed that it's hard yeah because what i would normally do if

00:27:18.740 you could do something like that then what you need to do like if you're a lord or something

00:27:22.180 like that is use any of this type of character you have captured or essentially industrially

00:27:29.080 farm them to create magical scrolls but if it's their own magic that's needed to activate the

00:27:33.540 scroll then you can't use it in any sort of industrial capacity one thing might be what

00:27:38.800 might be interesting like if you want to know this about divine magic is that like if it's a god

00:27:46.440 like the concept of a god that is there's a container for it so you can actually kill the

00:27:53.440 god and like take their container and what can you do nobody knows about but i i get they'll

00:28:01.080 find out now but it's whatever oh that's amazing we're dropping lore here no um yeah so there is

00:28:08.680 um one of my favorite things about the warhammer universe are you do you like follow the war of

00:28:14.440 like warhammer 40k a little bit like i'm not like super deep in it but i i know like a little bit

00:28:20.800 of it is they took the concept um and this this is why i like it so they took i i actually have

00:28:26.660 never read a single warhammer book in my entire life i have only watched lore videos um but they

00:28:32.660 took the concept of well if you worship something similar to your universe like if you worship

00:28:38.640 a god or a concept or have a feeling um that that creates a divine entity of that type and what

00:28:47.760 what is funny is a lot of like hippies believe this they're like well all gods and all religions

00:28:52.320 are true insofar as like people believe in them right and then it takes this and it's like and

00:28:58.820 if that was the case it would actually be really horrible because what would happen is the most

00:29:04.340 basal concepts like a fear of death would get feedback loops we're like the god that was

00:29:09.700 manifested by that fear would want to create more of that fear to manifest himself further

00:29:15.200 you get like the god of eroticism the fear of death like all of the most basic things

00:29:20.400 um but it doesn't sound like that's a problem in your universe because it sounds like these

00:29:24.620 are not like active thinking entities that are that would want to like empower themselves further

00:29:29.120 yes well one thing i will say is that that ties in that whole thing being bad

00:29:37.140 ties into what i told you about is like what caused the big irradiated zone

00:29:43.420 oh yeah so if you think about it right like i'm sure you can piece it together

00:29:48.440 okay okay okay so what are the major political events in in the world right now that like

00:29:55.380 players are thinking about that are changing that are exciting people so there's there's two right

00:30:01.040 now there's the there's the novel the light novel which is a civil war in like one of the countries

00:30:09.920 but the big political one right now is moraine like the the campaign has all the people playing

00:30:16.600 in it so there are a bunch of people that live in like this this town called moraine and it is

00:30:23.660 like a base that was set up kind of out in the middle of nowhere and typically people can't go

00:30:28.400 there because there's a big tundra before you get there so it's really hard to get there

00:30:31.440 most people like there's also the other thing too is we had to so there's airships in the setting

00:30:37.480 but airships they they only really they float on like magic ley lines so like if there's no

00:30:44.280 ley line you can't put you can't just like put a ship there it would be really really hard to

00:30:48.500 like fly a ship there so because of that this tundra has no ley line so like you can't just

00:30:53.360 fly it over it so you're talking like really really hard caravans that are going through

00:30:57.520 like brutal conditions with like no food or anything like that so so why why do people go

00:31:02.000 there like what's the is there some resource at this location it's to explore the astraline

00:31:06.560 because there's all sorts of crazy stuff there like there's new new resources new materials uh

00:31:12.540 items called um astral relics which are like if you've watched made an abyss it's kind of like

00:31:17.620 similar to that where you can find like these crazy like items that do stuff and it's like

00:31:21.620 how does this work how does this work and like there's even a system where like people will

00:31:26.840 will gather these things and submit them for research to like the big like like academies

00:31:31.900 like magic academies yeah and uh different monsters like different parts new things like

00:31:38.080 that um they're all looking for that but the the fun thing about is there's a lot of drama because

00:31:43.400 people have different reasons like some people want to be like researchers they want to like

00:31:48.140 understand what astra is some people are like i just want fame and fortune and like i'm here to

00:31:52.840 like make tons of money and some people are like well i'm here for my country because i want to

00:31:56.600 find technology to help my country so they have all these like different reasons and because of

00:32:00.220 that the players clash a lot they end up fighting they end up making their own little factions

00:32:05.020 and there's a character who's like the expedition director and this character is like a kind of

00:32:10.720 mysterious force like nobody knows who they are no one's ever seen them and they actually there

00:32:17.000 was like a bunch of people thinking that the director was like evil because the director

00:32:22.040 doesn't help them so like they'd have like a case in which like there'd be this giant monster just

00:32:26.920 walking around like killing people and it's like the newbies would go out and get slaughtered by

00:32:31.120 this monster and so they have to set up like parties like oh let's go hunt this thing down

00:32:34.480 but they're like wait a minute if the director is is this powerful why are they not doing anything

00:32:40.560 about it they must be evil right yeah it's like from my point of view it's like you just don't

00:32:45.340 understand like your idea of like the future and your idea of of what is important the the director

00:32:55.560 is thinking about things on a completely different scale than like you even could possibly imagine

00:32:59.740 because from the director's point of view if the director helps you all then you'll never grow

00:33:06.020 and you'll suck so it's like it's it's kind of fun like no no that's also okay has this been

00:33:11.980 established that they are wrong about the director in universe yet or is this like being there's a

00:33:17.260 song sang by the director so like okay so here's like a whole nother thing so there was a fan song

00:33:24.720 explain explain that okay so there's a concept so in the game the way so first i have to explain

00:33:34.180 a little bit about the game so in the game you have four action points and you can use those

00:33:38.220 for action points for anything it's not like dnd where there's like move action like minor

00:33:41.800 major it's four and the biggest balls thing you could do is called a double heavy attack which

00:33:47.160 means i'm not doing anything but just attacking right i'm doing two all-in attacks that have

00:33:52.960 um i don't care if it misses if it hits i can do big damage right so it's like the big balls

00:33:58.120 thing to do and so a player made a song called double heavy attacks it's like a like a like a

00:34:04.100 metal song and everyone loves this song right and it kind of became like this huge meme in like the

00:34:10.940 community oh my gosh so the i the concept of double heavy attacks now means a person

00:34:16.820 who understands what they want and they go for it all in that's what it means so we've taken

00:34:23.840 you now have slang this is so good you said there was a this song okay so by the way for people who

00:34:31.200 are confused as to why something like this is interesting if you're just watching this

00:34:35.360 and you're just like this seems like weird nerd stuff like why is this interesting uh would i

00:34:41.720 consider how media and entertainment are changing the concept of a form of entertainment of the

00:34:50.160 type that is being described here was genuinely impossible uh i want to say two generations ago

00:34:58.600 uh so it might have been possible in the early days of the internet but it hadn't been developed

00:35:03.220 to this extent yet um and what we are seeing right now is something that whatever our kids

00:35:12.220 are doing for fun is likely going to be an extrapolation of ideas like this the the iterative

00:35:21.740 interactive elements um i i think are genuinely like anthropologically culturally we are looking

00:35:31.280 at uh a a and you can ignore it and you can say well none of this stuff matters because um you

00:35:40.420 know like this is all like urban monoculture whatever and it's like no but this is like

00:35:45.480 this is like actually the the like internet conservatives who are into this stuff right

00:35:50.740 um and uh people can be like well then why would why would they be into it and the answer i would

00:35:56.680 make is it's because all of the media that's out there people are like why do so many conservative

00:36:01.560 influencers watch a ton of anime it's because it's not woke yet it's like the one form of media i can

00:36:06.060 watch where like women are effeminate and men are masculine and uh i'm not preached to 24 7

00:36:13.000 it'll have its own message but it like um and this is a form of media that because people create it

00:36:20.360 community communally and what's even more interesting than that it is not created

00:36:24.980 by like a localized friend group it is created by an online friend group and online friend groups

00:36:32.200 and local friend groups have very little in common if you think about the way they actually

00:36:36.640 end up structured um local friend groups you know the way you look ends up mattering uh your your

00:36:43.380 local social standing how much money you have etc and this can matter in an online friend group if

00:36:48.920 it's in some like pay to win scenario or something like that but that's obviously not what this is

00:36:53.000 um and it's one of the reasons that if you look at the culture of our era today i point out that

00:36:59.340 a lot of uh just the culture that we live in and i'd argue all the way down to trump originally

00:37:05.900 came from fortune um gronies came from fortune memes came from fortune trump originally in the

00:37:13.780 primaries i'm not saying that he won because of fortune but he was recognized in the primaries

00:37:18.580 because of what was happening there. And that was a totally new type of community where social

00:37:23.060 status was determined in a totally new way. And the way it was determined, because there wasn't

00:37:28.500 upvotes or anything like that, was based on how much whatever you said could grab attention.

00:37:36.320 And that meant to be sort of maximally shocking and everything like that. And that defined a

00:37:41.900 generation of cultural output. When you look at what Leaflet is doing now, we might see the

00:37:48.560 prototype of what the next generation of cultural output is going to look like there are going to

00:37:55.520 be potentially and i'm not saying it'll happen within leaflet setting maybe in 10 years when

00:38:01.540 this is metastasizing you have different groups doing this um groups that are potentially so large

00:38:06.660 that ideas and memes that come up within these settings end up affecting uh not just like what

00:38:13.780 like first of all the 4chan could create something like a brony movement or memes was insane back

00:38:18.540 in the day but then they could elect a president that changes politics in the united states

00:38:23.120 permanently um so paying attention to these ways that culture is changing and the innovators within

00:38:30.400 this space is not a like a lark it's not like a a curious aside it's something that anyone who is

00:38:39.100 interested in where society is going is treating as one of the main courses but to go forward you

00:38:44.960 mentioned some sort of fanfic so somebody people write fan fictions about this and you incorporate

00:38:49.060 them it's a song so somebody's showing itself it's like a fan song yeah okay yeah the fan song

00:38:53.020 double heavy attacks and what we did was we took that and we started making versions of that song

00:38:58.180 from all the characters that embodied that idea but from their own point of view so like the

00:39:04.480 director has a version of the song but it's so completely different than the others because

00:39:09.180 others are like i'm gonna go all in like you know for my family and you know this is like i want to

00:39:14.480 like go on adventures and she's like i want the future to exist it's like so completely different

00:39:20.820 yeah it's it's it's very it's it's very funny okay so i'm actually wait are these sung by real

00:39:29.620 people are they done by ai ai good well no this is the thing about ai and ai and creativity that

00:39:36.080 people don't get right like so people are like oh ai art or ai music so people are born with

00:39:43.520 different capacities right you know i might be a smart person but i was born without any genetic

00:39:47.820 capacity for music or art i i try i just don't have it right now i can create these things and

00:39:54.880 i regularly do it on shows i make art i make music i make uh you know you created that great

00:39:59.740 one for asmogold right the uh animated song yeah eyebrow style i've watched that so many times it

00:40:06.240 was really well done it was worth the effort and um and a lot of people get surprised this stuff

00:40:12.740 is coming from content creators who people see as like, like the, one of the weirdest things

00:40:17.720 that's happened in our generation is that, um, AI, this, this, this incredible new technology

00:40:23.440 that came out of nowhere that for whatever reason, well, we'll talk about why the left

00:40:28.380 came out reflexively against it. Um, and the right has largely in our communities embraced it. Like

00:40:34.780 we all watch sky brows. We all liked, we, we liked these various songs. I liked yours, your asthma

00:40:39.440 gold song um and uh a lot of people are like that doesn't make any sense like why has this happened

00:40:45.620 and and i think the answer is is because for so long the dominant culture in our societies

00:40:51.380 has been able to control us by saying you should be ashamed of saying things like that

00:40:57.320 you should be ashamed of doing things like that and eventually uh the way that people ended up

00:41:03.500 responding was just like well if you tell me i should be ashamed i'm gonna reflexively do the

00:41:07.380 opposite and i'm gonna do the opposite the most like in creamy manjaro he's talking about ai slop

00:41:12.880 like the cream of the slop and everything like that right like the whole song is joking and

00:41:17.860 riffing on the idea of like yeah it's ai slop like whatever um and because of this strangely

00:41:25.820 uh the the communities and culture that's going to be generated of what you know the the the world

00:41:33.980 our kids are going to live in is predominantly happening in communities like the ones that

00:41:38.720 you're you're creating i i'd love to know like where else are you using ai in the creation of

00:41:44.600 this universe or and how the universe is expanding everything so like we use ai for a lot of our

00:41:51.280 our art like when i do sessions myself i usually make songs that are really stupid so like

00:41:59.640 there was like one time uh the the party i had an encounter where they there's this guy who's

00:42:08.200 just causing all this chaos in the area and they meet this tree and the tree the the person cursed

00:42:15.820 the tree to have a giant wooden you know yeah just just just to mess with him and i just made

00:42:23.720 the musical number just for fun like they come out to like this tree and he comes out and he just

00:42:30.220 i play the song and it's the tree complaining about everything that happened to him and like

00:42:36.100 please adventurers help me with this problem but like you couldn't do that before right like that

00:42:42.420 there's no way you could do something like that no but what's what's funny is you describe it as

00:42:47.620 like cringy but um one of the things i've pointed out when we talk about cultural anthropology and

00:42:53.360 how the world is changing if you i point out that you know in the 90s and the 80s um right wing

00:43:00.140 you know influencers politics was sort of defined by this feeling of disgust and like these are the

00:43:06.420 things that disgust us and therefore they're bad and then we learned basically societally that's a

00:43:12.100 bad way to do things like you know um what's her mother mother theresa right with her yeah she was

00:43:19.040 like, well, leopards may cause disgust in you, but like the, there's still people, right? Like

00:43:24.560 you can't trust disgust to be an objective measure of morality. Um, and then, uh, you had

00:43:30.800 this dominant culture that came out that was sort of leftist and it said, uh, well, we will police

00:43:35.640 things through, um, you know, cringe and things that embarrass you, right? Like this embarrasses

00:43:42.420 you, that embarrasses you. And I think now we're seeing this flip of that, um, where the new,

00:43:47.860 the new right is sort of defined by vitalism like i don't care how you want to police me

00:43:53.940 i want to be maximally excited about life and maximally having fun with the life i have

00:44:00.300 and uh anybody who and and when you say like this is cringe but like i'm leaning into it what you

00:44:06.640 mean is you've created an environment where you're not afraid of external judgment what you're trying

00:44:12.140 to create is whatever is maximally chaotically fun i'm cringe but i am free yeah you you must

00:44:21.320 face the cringe and pass through a very dune right like that's how i live my life now i'm

00:44:29.760 cringe but i'm free i do whatever i want yeah i love it okay okay great feelings

00:44:35.200 so by the way what do you use suno uh yeah i use i use suno and uh we use all sorts of ai for

00:44:45.020 everything like everything like the art on like there's no way that we could like we tried by the

00:44:51.480 way we we tried to like commission people to do like art but the thing is our release cycle is

00:44:57.080 like two to three weeks no and our commissions we know we've been in our commission startup they

00:45:01.900 take forever sometimes we've gone through the process of trying to pay artists to do all sorts

00:45:07.180 of things and like make it easier for them and facilitate it and it still just takes forever

00:45:11.220 art takes a long time it does it does yeah by the way Malcolm and Simone Lord for people who don't

00:45:17.020 know uh our first company when we were first uh meeting and and doing we raised VC money for this

00:45:22.920 and everything was designed to make inexpensive art commissions of the type that people do on

00:45:26.980 deviant art like easy for ever average people to do is like a consumer thing um and it's just

00:45:33.360 it's interesting i mean obviously that this doesn't exist anymore um but uh yeah there isn't

00:45:40.960 a way to do this with a lot of the ways that people are using it either like well you could

00:45:44.200 be paying an artist it's like i can't pay an artist to do my daily title card like what are

00:45:48.660 you talking about exactly and the funny thing is is like i get you know i get complaints from

00:45:54.220 people on like x i'm like oh you hate artists lethal i'm like i pay more in art than you could

00:45:59.800 even possibly imagine you know like i was like you have no idea and i'll tell you a little something

00:46:05.240 uh in regards to that like so we have for our game for the you know the uh the one that has

00:46:12.060 multiplayer a lot of people playing it right we i've i'm in contact with like a friend who owns

00:46:18.700 a studio in tokyo we had a song produced we got like a mini orchestra to play it uh we hired like

00:46:25.040 a really really good singer to sing it and um it's being animated by that by people that worked

00:46:30.120 on attack on titan so i mean like hold on when she told me this so people who work on attack on

00:46:36.320 titan are literally animated it's like a new intro thing for your world you have an old intro thing

00:46:41.200 that i quite like yeah i could send you the the song later the song is so good oh my gosh i got

00:46:47.780 uh yes please this is amazing i think that's a good example though is that people who condemn

00:46:54.760 use of ai to make art you know are like how dare you but really the people who i've seen

00:47:00.380 use it the most also are spending the most yeah on art and on music because they just

00:47:05.900 but they can't no one else can keep up the pace and i think it's very similar with stuff like

00:47:10.140 um just development or even just like phone calls or other stuff that ai is starting to take over

00:47:16.800 it's the people who need it and just can't get humans to do it enough like we just no one else

00:47:20.700 can keep up people aren't replacing humans they're just trying to force multiply well exactly i'd

00:47:26.800 also point out that um the industries that have been replaced at first like a a lot of like

00:47:33.760 hollywood and stuff like this that we're seeing they were already basically ais they were creating

00:47:39.140 the most average slop ever and that's why ai was so easily able to replace them it's true

00:47:46.800 it's like when ai was just coming online i asked various ais like well you know what what domains

00:47:53.880 will be the final ones left to humans and they're like well for sure therapy and art will remain

00:48:00.040 the domain of humans and this is like at the same time that like it was just popping up in those

00:48:05.680 areas the most oh i don't know the new thing in the news is well the one thing that ai will never

00:48:12.320 be able to do is is to have taste but like what is taste i don't even understand taste so she makes

00:48:21.440 my dinner with ai by the way if you don't know like the perplexity makes the i mean because i

00:48:25.740 know perplexity blends different models but it's the best at distilling recipes um because now you

00:48:31.520 know like the internet ruined recipes you have to scroll for like 10 minutes to get to like the

00:48:35.500 ingredients list if you go yeah um and so just yeah we asked perplexity and that is that is all

00:48:41.400 of malcolm's fruit i mean it's it's really because you also tailor it to like your taste

00:48:46.380 right you'll be like i don't like this specific thing and i'll work around it yeah yeah it's

00:48:50.420 amazing yeah wonderful it goes for you too hold on so you got through one thing that's happening

00:48:56.560 in this universe what something else is happening in this universe right now that people are paying

00:49:00.520 attention to uh you mean like in the in the game um yeah it's like the anniversary right now it's

00:49:07.540 kind of cool but um i oh right how does the game world recognize its own anniversary what's going

00:49:13.300 on with that oh in the game world uh well in the game world we just have like festivals so we just

00:49:18.500 make a festival in the game like oh there's like this caravan that's coming into town and they have

00:49:23.060 all this like cool stuff and there's games and uh but one of the big things like one of the big

00:49:27.640 political things is that's what you're interested in is um so there's these creatures i told you

00:49:34.240 already that the scp is the fiends so the thing about fiends is i have told the players straight

00:49:39.940 up this this is the hilarious thing you're gonna love this i told them straight up like i'm telling

00:49:46.440 you right now as like the head lore writer that all fiends are evil and they want to kill you

00:49:51.820 okay is what i said and you know what they're doing now oh we have this fiend shopkeeper and

00:49:56.660 she's our friend and we're going to take her to the town by the way

00:49:59.860 but it's like imagine this like on a like happening again but with like players and like

00:50:09.100 i'm telling them as like the universal truth of the universe that can like tell them

00:50:13.520 the absolute truth that they all want to kill you and they're still like yeah well this one like you

00:50:19.760 know she trades me stuff she trades me food for things so like you know she must be like okay

00:50:24.900 and they're like yeah we would like to take her into our town and she can set up a shop and then

00:50:29.140 we can trade with her and i'm just like this is this is great you're building though no no it's

00:50:34.800 great it's great i like it because you know if if uh they're acting like we had an episode recently

00:50:39.800 um did you did you play the mass effect series uh i is this the one about the the warrior people

00:50:47.920 with the ea made it and i i had a crash out about the genophage i don't remember this plot line but

00:50:53.880 the krogan and the genophage and i was like you guys are fucking idiot anyone who cured this 96

00:50:59.060 percent of players cured the genophage krogan's had a thousand children every year and lived a

00:51:06.360 thousand years the genophage reduced their birth rate to one in a thousand survive i said that

00:51:13.240 means that every krogan woman only has 800 children okay you are insane if you cure this

00:51:21.840 they are a violent belligerent species resistant to small arms fire that destroyed their own planet

00:51:28.240 sorry i i i remember i remember that but no but you're you're showing the same thing we haven't

00:51:35.740 learned in the society yeah i'm still carrying straight up and they're still doing it and so

00:51:41.120 what happened is there's a player faction that is like we are very anti-fiend and we hate them

00:51:47.400 because they are evil and they want to kill us and then the other guys are like no but like see

00:51:51.540 there's like a good one here they're like no you're an idiot and so like now they're like

00:51:54.480 fighting there's like a internal like battle between like these in-character player factions

00:51:59.720 and it's like actually amazing that is so fun so another fun thing for people who are watching this

00:52:05.820 to give you contextualization our kids or our grandkids depending on how old you are are going

00:52:13.120 to be living in environments where um they will likely be able to like when i look at what the

00:52:18.440 future of video games and the internet is going to be uh the idea of ai is being able to create

00:52:23.920 fully modeled realities around us like putting on a headset and having the ai do that is likely going

00:52:30.660 to be easy for a lot of people which allows them to explore whatever world whatever environment

00:52:36.800 they want and so when you ask yourself well how are people most going to want to explore

00:52:42.500 these completely generated worlds right uh some people will want to solo it uh but i think the

00:52:49.380 vast majority will want to opt into something like what she's creating here and i think what

00:52:54.000 you're seeing is a prototype of what entertainment may look like 60 years from now where it will be

00:53:02.020 something like this where you will have one influencer game master um and then within that

00:53:08.540 world you just put it on and you're seeing this done in a piecemeal fashion already with sort of

00:53:14.880 what you're telling us people are creating songs with ai people are creating visuals with ai

00:53:19.560 and in 60 years the entire environment will be created with ai um and i think that's really cool

00:53:26.060 they did a vigil recently a vigil for somebody who died uh because the the game is permadeath

00:53:34.040 and i purposely told them that there's no way to revive people from that oh my gosh so someone

00:53:38.700 was lost yeah so it's like really like uh like people get like i've i've people get so heated

00:53:44.160 in this game because like someone will screw up like like they'll be like okay we're gonna fight

00:53:47.920 boss someone will screw up and they'll get someone killed no no yell at that person like it like

00:53:53.920 out of character like you freaking you know you get so mad at them and it's like they like

00:54:00.860 it's it's such a big deal to them when somebody dies in the game and they did like an ai vigil

00:54:07.640 where they like played a song and it had like clips of all the characters using ai oh my god

00:54:13.420 so okay i i really hope the people who have no idea like what we're talking about or anything

00:54:19.620 when you hear something like this you can begin to see why something like this gets teased in in

00:54:26.520 in people and is special to people that there are hundreds of people that feel that they have an

00:54:34.040 iteration of themselves because the iteration that you create of you when you're out there

00:54:37.840 and you're interacting with other humans it is uh something that that many people i mean not

00:54:42.820 everyone but many people sit down and they're basically like okay who do i want to be to the

00:54:46.280 world how do i want the world to see me right so you're getting a fragment of themselves within

00:54:51.540 this environment that can live a life uh and it's a persona that they embody when they're in the

00:54:57.800 environment can die you're dealing with stakes and stakes on a large scale you know you're talking

00:55:04.820 um what is it like 130 people or something like that yeah this is this is uh if you talk about

00:55:10.820 most of human history that's more people than most humans met in their lives right like if you go to

00:55:16.960 the distant past yeah um like it's what our brains are meant to deal with it's like a maximum

00:55:22.000 community size but i think we also have to remember though that this this is so much older than the

00:55:27.580 internet or even like dungeon-based games in the 80s or whatever your tabletop games it is well

00:55:33.360 when you look at like the bronte sisters they had their own fictional universes where like

00:55:37.780 the duke of wellington would appear sometimes but there are all these other characters um and

00:55:41.680 sometimes these didn't show up in their books this was just the way to explain who the bronte

00:55:46.880 sisters are these are famous authors um they wrote oh god i didn't read any of the books i

00:55:54.100 didn't like them um and they like died young they were like at the same time of of jane austen um

00:55:59.240 maybe maybe weathering heights because everyone's talking about the new movie is one of them but i

00:56:04.440 can't remember um but this is something that is very natural to people and like one of the first

00:56:10.480 things that the internet was used was to have basically text-based versions of these games

00:56:16.240 online um and and the fact that this is just a continuation of it like it has now it's super

00:56:22.260 powered with ai and it is much more complex um but the the question is never really um you know

00:56:29.260 what tech are we using like is this is this um a bunch of young ladies in a house by the way if

00:56:36.240 you're wondering what the bronte sisters wrote they wrote jane air they wrote weathering heights

00:56:40.520 yeah there you go they wrote the tenant of woodfield hall um they're very dark like boring

00:56:46.380 books in my opinion i love jane austen's books but anyway um this is just old stuff um and and

00:56:52.960 like specifically fantasy worlds in which they are they are involved um and i think the really

00:56:58.340 interesting thing and what i love most about the world you've built is that you don't get caught up

00:57:03.680 in the ip necessarily or in like the the the fact that you're building it like you don't own it as

00:57:11.440 much as like it's the way that people interact with it and crash into it create crazy things

00:57:15.740 like vigils and songs and fan art and sling um and that's how you know it's really working and

00:57:20.780 that's why ai is not a threat to this it's just a different way in which it's going to manifest

00:57:24.840 um and it's like the the raindrops are just bouncing off a slightly different surface but

00:57:29.700 in this case they're going to be bouncing off in a much more beautiful way um whereas before

00:57:33.500 they were like falling into paper and just getting soaked in and now they're falling into something

00:57:37.080 and like making ripples and it's just so much more potential and I'm really excited about what

00:57:41.840 what's going to be possible as AI enables more going forward because already yeah like can you

00:57:49.160 I mean it wouldn't surprise me actually if like the Bronte sisters are like if they had a piano

00:57:53.600 forte like sitting down and like writing songs of others like whatever their obscure characters

00:57:57.820 weren't there fantasy worlds um but now you can just take that and like a thousand exit and of

00:58:04.880 course make it you know now you have like 130 people they had like four you know like the scale

00:58:09.540 of it the complexity the fact that you have a world that updates um when different factions

00:58:14.260 are doing different things out in the world by the way what are what are other weird things that

00:58:18.600 have oh i can tell you about the time the game almost ended oh really yes yeah the game almost

00:58:24.780 ended because okay so what happened was there was one party right who met this witch and this witch

00:58:31.100 she's like a tiny little necromancer girl and she has killed somebody before like she's actually

00:58:37.560 killed one of the players right one of the early sessions too yeah her whole thing is like she's

00:58:43.200 like her concept of death is like she doesn't care she thinks it's like just fun right so she

00:58:50.060 what she does is she takes people she kidnaps them and she puts them to a death game and she

00:58:53.920 like watches and she just like watches and she's like yeah like you know like i hope you win right

00:58:59.420 and if you win you get a prize but you know oh whatever happens happens and she like watches

00:59:04.100 and she does this so anyway they end up like fighting her at some point and uh they

00:59:12.740 like they were gonna die to her but they convinced her to not kill them and then they were like oh

00:59:20.640 we have an idea uh why don't you check out this town that we built she's like town and they're

00:59:25.760 like yeah she's like okay that's my town now and so like they took her to like the town which is

00:59:30.820 like this new outpost that the players had built and like they had built this over months by the

00:59:34.460 way so like first day they conquer the area and then people had to chop wood down and bring all

00:59:39.720 the wood alchemy materials and they had all the all the crafter players had to go in and like

00:59:44.760 actually build it like over weeks right so they had like this fort and it was like their precious

00:59:48.920 like okay now we have a teleporter in the middle of this area so we can teleport instead of like

00:59:53.140 having to walk down the valley and so they had this beautiful town and she was like yeah i'm the

00:59:57.860 leader now and like she came in and they were so mad because like the people that were building it

01:00:02.920 were like what the hell are you doing right and so there was a whole thing where and they're like

01:00:07.480 director like what do we do like this this crazy and she's like i don't care they're just like i

01:00:12.560 don't care like okay sure you know if that's what you guys won't find whatever and they're like no

01:00:15.960 but we can't have this and they're like okay um election so we did an election and like people

01:00:22.520 got so mad at this like entire election arc and like people were like we're gonna quit this is so

01:00:28.340 so dumb if like she takes over after we built all of this like this is and it's like well i mean you

01:00:34.260 guys did that like it's not us we didn't plan on this and that's like kind of how we approach it

01:00:39.840 is like we we like to take what the players do and then like how does that affect the world if

01:00:44.760 Like, they do this.

01:00:46.080 It's 100% downstream of player choices, which I like, yeah.

01:00:51.920 And then they, wait, so she was okay with an election?

01:00:54.860 She wasn't just like, why are we doing an election?

01:00:56.900 I'm queen.

01:00:57.760 They convinced her that if she was so cool,

01:01:01.080 she would do an election.

01:01:02.040 And she was like, yeah, you're right.

01:01:03.500 Because she's like, she's an idiot, right?

01:01:05.160 Like, the necromancer's an idiot.

01:01:07.340 But this necromancer became such a beloved character.

01:01:09.960 She has, like, multiple songs and a plushie.

01:01:12.820 in the store right now and a bunch of people bought it one person bought three

01:01:19.360 i mean just in case well that's great that's yeah i uh i i want to know um so by the way this this

01:01:28.760 humorously reminds me of the joke i don't know if you've seen through all of adventure time

01:01:31.940 fantastic show by the way people um but there's one of the princess bubblegum gets deposed by

01:01:38.040 somebody who holds an election and she comes back and very anticlimactic it's like i'm a monarch

01:01:42.360 you can't hold an election like what are you doing like they're like but you were unelected

01:01:48.400 and she goes i'm the monarch they they basically convinced her that okay well you don't rule this

01:01:54.980 place but you can set up a you can set up a base outside of it and so now she has a base and like

01:02:01.040 she willingly lets people play death games if they want she'll give them like big prizes but then you

01:02:05.700 just die right so it's like a lot of people are like it's scary because normally you can run like

01:02:11.440 if you go into like the woods and you encounter like this giant i don't know like say giant boar

01:02:15.320 monster right boar boss monster you can be like okay well we don't really know what it does you

01:02:20.380 can test it a little bit like okay this is a little bit too scotch like everybody retreats

01:02:23.980 so you just like everyone throws down smokes and they all like retreat from the battle and this is

01:02:27.640 a common thing like retreating from combat because your character's life matters right

01:02:31.200 you die and so like but with her you're locked in her dungeon so you can't escape

01:02:38.420 what other plushy characters exist from this world a lot we've got um

01:02:45.780 i've got so many now we've got the witch we've got the the merchant the merchant has one one

01:02:52.500 of the cultists has wait is this is this the the merchant who's of the evil race no it's a she's

01:02:58.420 like the good merchant so she's like she's like the shopkeeper like she resets the shop resets

01:03:03.000 so the other thing too is resources are finite so it's not like the shop is like

01:03:07.220 has this item you can always buy it at this price it fluctuates based on world events

01:03:11.640 so like sometimes like a like wood will cost more like a certain week because of a thing that

01:03:16.120 happens and bro i want my kids playing in this so much like this sounds like such a healthy thing

01:03:22.260 for like young teens to get into continue but yeah but but yeah it's like that's that merchant

01:03:27.760 and then there's like a cultist that got a plushie she's not the oh it's uh this genocidal

01:03:32.860 squirrel got a plushie as well oh yeah oh yeah there's a bunch of uh a bunch of uh characters

01:03:41.900 uh getting plushies who makes the plushies uh i i do i actually got into it because i wanted the

01:03:48.860 plushies to exist so i was like how do i get that to go and now i've become like a plushie like

01:03:53.780 mogul i don't know how that's happened but wait did you like make plushies before do you have a

01:03:58.080 sewing machine no no no i'm i'm i looked on like the logistics of how to do it i found like a

01:04:02.780 manufacturer to do one okay okay and it like all fits our standards and stuff so we but we all we

01:04:07.520 do it how how we want to do it you know yeah like other people come to you to make plushies for

01:04:12.740 their shows and stuff now yeah yeah i've i've gotten a bunch of you're a plushie do you handle

01:04:20.260 shipping yes so my mom does all of the the um she's like the shopkeeper she does all the all

01:04:27.200 the merch and stuff like that so we made uh guys let us know what base camp plushies yeah we can

01:04:31.820 do one yeah of course i'll see about that um i think that's a fun idea that's really cool

01:04:37.660 um okay so what's your future for all of this like when you think about where this evolves into

01:04:45.740 what it evolves into i'm interested well what i what i would like is i'd like to see more people

01:04:52.800 playing the game like on their own like as not a part of like this big campaign because i want to

01:04:57.980 see like people playing like their own campaigns kind of like dungeons and dragons right but

01:05:03.100 as far as like the campaign right now um i don't i don't know it's just kind of whatever happens

01:05:11.500 and then we just go with the flow right it's like yeah i want to do more character stuff like i

01:05:18.280 started doing oh i got one that you'll think is great um there's this character that is an npc

01:05:24.900 that everyone doesn't really they think she's kind of what's the word she's very

01:05:31.180 sorry i'm blanking out it's like she she's a killjoy like she always like she has rules and

01:05:39.640 she's like you have to follow these rules and like this is how it's going to be and they're like she's

01:05:44.000 such a stickler she's so annoying and then i released the other day a character image song

01:05:48.740 of her and it explains why she's like that like her backstory and some people are like what do

01:05:53.740 you feel do you feel like such a jerk now because now you know you know why she's like

01:05:58.100 but do more stuff like that i'd love to do stuff like that that is i i i i i don't want to be a

01:06:06.960 killjoy but i know you like the idea of people playing this independently but it sounds like

01:06:10.860 so much of the magic of what you've built is in the community that makes it feel so when i talk

01:06:19.740 about you know 60 100 years when we can create any artificial environment we want the only things

01:06:26.740 that will imbue these worlds with reality is the shared experiences we have with other people

01:06:31.660 and in a way uh i think for my guess would be for your players that's what imbues the world

01:06:37.600 with reality is the fact that uh like dnd can like when you're playing i don't know if like

01:06:44.400 other people don't feel this way but when i'm playing like a random whatever game right um

01:06:49.220 i sometimes like if i know it's a game that everyone else is playing right now

01:06:53.720 it feels like it has some sort of cultural meaning like you mean you know hell divers 2

01:06:59.320 i probably wouldn't have played hell divers 2 normally but everybody was playing it everyone

01:07:04.000 was talking about it it felt like a cultural moment right or pokemon go or something like

01:07:09.600 that i understand the question now so like what i would want to do is i i would like people

01:07:16.280 like using like our stories using our our game just like you know plushies music maybe you know

01:07:25.540 maybe one day an anime or manga or something like that i would like people to see that there is the

01:07:32.140 possibility of of better because like what we have right now is so ass you know so it's like

01:07:38.720 i just want people to see like you can do things that are crazy like this idea that there's like

01:07:44.100 this big campaign with all these people and it's interconnected and like that's insane people are

01:07:48.480 invested did that that's actually crazy it's it's super cool that it's working but it's crazy

01:07:55.120 and thank you uh and you weren't doing this the last time we talked to you right or was it just

01:08:02.160 working on it it wasn't this is the first year anniversary was today today oh happy anniversary

01:08:09.360 thank you we're on this tomorrow for first year anniversary that's amazing yeah also just for

01:08:15.980 the housekeeping like where can people find this and get involved and opt in and yeah it's a rpg

01:08:23.680 that angelsword.com is like the game the base game and then in order to join the other game

01:08:29.460 it's patreon perfect you know what's crazy too is like people got so addicted because um it works

01:08:36.420 off of it you can't always go out it's like a real time system where like if your character

01:08:40.400 goes out for this week you can't play anymore because they're not here so what people started

01:08:45.900 doing was they're like can we have like another character i'm like okay fine like patreon upgrade

01:08:51.000 you can like get another character can we get another character uh okay fine and like it got

01:08:55.700 to the point where people like can i make like another patreon account and we're like no okay

01:08:59.620 it's over like no more because i want people so the the downside of people making too many

01:09:08.800 characters is like they become less invested to each individual character so it's like we want

01:09:13.500 like those relationships right and oh my god the best is when like two characters have a relationship

01:09:18.340 and it's like well what if you go one of you goes down you die you know it's like wait till you get

01:09:24.180 your first marriage from this world right what's already happened what what yeah people have gotten

01:09:29.160 married and had kids well in world yes oh people like bring up two different worlds that were like

01:09:40.140 really big in my childhood do you remember there was this game i watched like things on i never

01:09:44.780 played it myself it took place in egypt and everybody could do like whatever they want and

01:09:49.300 there was like one cast where you would like level up by getting people to like vote for you or be in

01:09:53.980 like one place at a time um it was weird it was it was an mmo where the only way you could level up

01:10:01.860 was through community-based events um and it became this giant thing but the other one obviously

01:10:07.640 second life and today people don't know second life right like they they don't understand what

01:10:11.680 a cultural phenomenon this was when we were there was like a big real estate craze in it where

01:10:17.340 people would be paying like half a million dollars for like a house or something um and people get

01:10:23.160 married in it all the time you can go to youtube you can watch these videos of people getting

01:10:26.140 married in second life um and uh i like i always thought it was so cool i like i felt like a bit

01:10:32.800 of an outsider in the second life craze because i was like i don't have the social confidence to

01:10:37.920 go into an environment with this many people um and uh it's i don't know it feels like a cooler

01:10:45.920 version of that because it's more abstracted see the problem with environments like second lives

01:10:51.400 and roblox and minecraft and a lot of stuff that comes out of this is it's not abstracted in the

01:10:56.580 way that your world is abstracted that allows for denser lore that allows for deeper world building

01:11:01.840 and that interacts with ai more um and i think it's cool how the way you're building all of this

01:11:08.940 up is more conducive to ai world than the way that directionality like roblox and minecraft

01:11:16.680 which i think a lot of people think the future is going to look like and i don't

01:11:19.840 yeah yeah it's uh it's uh it's really the coolest thing about it for me is just like

01:11:26.080 like you said the interconnectedness where each individual person has the agency to do like

01:11:30.860 whatever but then they eat the consequences of it right so you can do like whatever you want but

01:11:35.040 then you go to jail or something because how do you do kids sorry i'm just before i say up

01:11:41.760 so there are two cases well well sorry there have been multiple cases i think i think the

01:11:48.980 only reason i know this is because people keep asking me for the what happens if this race has

01:11:53.380 a kid with this race they keep doing this right so i had to like come up with all these rules for

01:11:56.880 right but um anyway uh some players have done that and then they retire their characters and

01:12:02.200 that's it and like they play as the kids uh that happened one time so like in one of my older

01:12:08.460 campaigns there's a time skip like the original angel sword campaign had a time skip and a

01:12:12.640 character wanted to play as his kid so like that happened but okay okay that's fun all right well

01:12:20.580 i've been to play this first character later because then at the end of that campaign

01:12:25.700 there was a thing where their kid was in trouble and they had to like save their kid with their

01:12:29.940 old character oh my gosh they had to come back and save themselves and then it's so there's so

01:12:36.220 many things that you've described here where I'm like no that's just how real life works um you're

01:12:40.980 just describing the real world um I mean like we see ourselves as our kids uh and so many parents

01:12:46.260 I think like they just watch themselves playing life through their children but also like this

01:12:51.660 idea that figures get um either things or figures can get power through you know attention and

01:12:59.700 belief and like here's everyone like asking for like oh like and like and subscribe i mean like

01:13:04.520 literally our son octavian like i guess misheard the concept and was like life and describe and

01:13:09.900 i'm like yeah i mean you want to get the power like that is what they're getting it is their life

01:13:14.420 um and he was actually shocked the other day to discover that youtubers also make money he was

01:13:20.200 like wait they make money I thought they just got likes and that was like I doubt he wanted that his

01:13:27.340 career his career like the whole money thing was just like icing on the cake um there's this new

01:13:32.380 so yeah I mean we learned we didn't respawn yeah it's like wait you don't respawn and we're like

01:13:38.480 no you're gonna die a number of times we've had to have to like tell our children that yeah

01:13:42.180 in our world you don't respond yeah the lines have really become blurred um between

01:13:51.060 i mean yeah yeah we don't want to hold you forever this has been longer than

01:13:56.400 it's so much fun like i mean god you had me on here just to nerd out about like stuff i would

01:14:03.560 nerd out about this in our last conversation and it was like one of those like yeah no i

01:14:09.560 i asked you last time by the tip of the iceberg and being like wait we could have sunk we could

01:14:13.860 have gone deep like why no i like asked you last time and you seemed like embarrassed to go deeper

01:14:19.680 into it and i think it's because you know you're new you know this is your first time doing

01:14:23.120 something on somebody else yeah um you you maybe underestimated how much of a nerd i am

01:14:27.680 about stuff like that yeah i used to i might do it next time we talk i can do one i i love

01:14:34.480 multiple worlds like as deep as the ones you're creating when we were going to turn into a video

01:14:39.340 game but it turned out to be rfab.ai and so we ended up creating like ai play worlds if people

01:14:44.820 want to try that um and then the other one was just like anytime i'd walk somewhere i'd try to

01:14:49.660 build on the world like um so i love doing stuff like this i'd love to have you back on sometime

01:14:54.820 you're a very very enjoyable person to talk to i'd love to come on your stream sometime

01:14:59.720 yeah we should talk about that yeah i've never done a live stream before and i'm terrified

01:15:04.480 um uh actually i don't even think i'm gonna edit anything out why not like the last time

01:15:10.400 we did a thing together i asked you a few like awkward questions i ended up editing them all out

01:15:14.000 like um uh but this time no awkward questions because i've watched more of your stuff oh one

01:15:20.980 of my favorite things you talked about recently just for like people you were talking about this

01:15:25.140 moment where like you were living in an apartment and it was just a mattress on the ground of an

01:15:30.500 empty room and i was like oh my god i have lived that exact experience and so many people have

01:15:35.520 and i was like i kind of want to go back to that in a way like the world literally burst into my

01:15:41.660 room last night and was like i missed that oh i thought that was a long time we like preferred

01:15:47.880 it it was kind of it's nice you know it's less cluttered you know my favorite leaflet easter egg

01:15:54.980 um you dropped in the middle of a video and i'm only dropping it here at the end because you said

01:15:59.900 you were only okay with dropping in the middle but the collection of world war ii memorabilia

01:16:03.960 i don't know i don't have any yet but i was like very interested in it because i went i i went to

01:16:14.480 a gun show and then so i was like that's cool there's like so much lore behind it you know

01:16:20.800 like yeah shovel that shovel was like used somewhere like crazy you know like things like

01:16:26.600 that no at a time where things actually mattered we're like actions you know the world but we're

01:16:32.720 back there the world is on a uh whatever you call it right now was ai and everything like the future

01:16:38.340 of the economy is going to be totally different depending on who wins what like we're trying to

01:16:42.600 build like autonomous agents to replace employees and people are like why do you the other day i

01:16:48.060 almost passed out on screen and they're like why are you working this long right and i was like

01:16:51.420 somebody is going to create the employee replacement um and then everyone else is not

01:16:56.900 going to have a job like i'm not trying to do this you're so excited to do this this is the

01:17:01.700 thing people are mad about all the money and then i'll decide how to create a good society after

01:17:07.460 that um you win all right uh anyway anyway so fun to have you here uh i want to i want to uh do

01:17:15.560 stuff together in the future and i hope things continue to go well for you you know your channel

01:17:19.500 has been popping off as i've seen um and not just your channel but you as a caricature when you look

01:17:27.100 at the central place you have in sky brow videos regularly right like you're in almost every video

01:17:31.640 multiple times um and uh i think it's because you are capturing the main character and i don't know

01:17:44.640 if you ever feel like this but you're like damn am i like a playable character of our generation

01:17:48.400 like like the funny thing is i i actually had such a dilemma about this so like

01:17:54.700 okay i'll go into it so i actually was like you know i was talking about how i was like

01:18:00.760 super depressed for a long time that was my entire life until this month like this month

01:18:06.440 it went away and it was so weird congratulations it was so weird like everything is just so

01:18:13.120 different now for me but yeah uh did did stuff like skybrows play a role in that or is that not

01:18:19.820 as well actually you guys had more to do with it oh that's really yeah i could tell you about it

01:18:25.640 later yeah yeah it's like our content and stuff but yeah i don't want to like uh but the skybrows

01:18:33.540 thing um for me has been very interesting because we don't hang out with people anymore simone and

01:18:40.560 like i don't leave my house we're completely hikikomori um and yet i watch video i watch your

01:18:46.500 videos right and i watch your videos and i've had interactions with you um and so it makes me feel

01:18:52.360 like oh that's one of my friends um and so i watch it again just not to be a history bummer here but

01:18:59.320 like asynchronous friendships have been the deepest friendships for a huge portion of human

01:19:03.460 history letter writing used to be a big big part of how people had deep friendships and that was

01:19:09.180 those were just asynchronous relationships they were just watching each other's streams

01:19:12.480 i don't know what to tell you this is not like a new point in human history and it's honestly so

01:19:17.340 much better for most people like it's great and you're right about this a lot of famous people

01:19:21.600 in history they like knew each other they corresponded via they read people's books

01:19:25.300 like that is how you had a relationship with people even if you existed at the same time

01:19:29.660 in history because i mean that's just how people live but the this the sky browse videos to me

01:19:34.680 the issue is it's felt like there's a party of cool kids and like all the cool kids are at the

01:19:40.020 party and uh i get to be at the party with the cool kids it's when your asynchronous proxy

01:19:46.000 representation gets to have a gets to go to the party with the other right yeah no because like

01:19:51.340 i don't get to decide if i'm in one of these like somebody who's like a tastemaker gets to decide

01:19:55.280 and then um the best part is you don't physically have to be there yeah i physically don't be there

01:20:00.880 I just get the pictures afterwards but I just remember sorry I totally like tangented like in

01:20:08.100 the middle of me answering your thing but but basically I've always like wanted to be like a

01:20:14.120 support I never wanted to be the main character so it's like every time like I get put I get sort

01:20:20.060 of a feeling of that it makes me uncomfortable it's so you're you're reluctantly taking upon

01:20:27.540 you know yourself though well it's actually really interesting that you mentioned this

01:20:31.940 and i don't want to go on too long a tangent at this point in the video no take your time i'm

01:20:35.560 good i actually talked about this in terms of modern right-wing influencers where one of the

01:20:40.520 things that has defined the people who have risen in influence was in our like intellectual circle

01:20:48.040 like an asthma gold or something like that is is uh the the lack of wanting to exploit this or open

01:20:56.560 thirst like asthma gold could live in a mansion if he wanted to like asthma gold could have the

01:21:03.680 hottest girlfriend and live in a mansion and shock his dog every day right like he could he could do

01:21:09.300 whatever the f he wanted to at this level of fame and yet he doesn't right like he um the the moment

01:21:17.500 i always talk about is the contrast of like hassan piker's shocking like the most expensive dog breed

01:21:23.000 you could have and the moment where like a cockroach is crawling on asthma gold and he

01:21:26.700 picks it up i'm like i've never seen anyone be this ginger with a cockroach and it's like i'm

01:21:31.480 gonna release it downstairs he's like i mean outside um like after a long while and you know

01:21:38.900 he released it downstairs but the point i'm making here is uh you and him you i think the reason why

01:21:47.740 people build this with you is it so clear that you don't even have the capability to look down

01:21:56.600 on your fans um and i think that this is like the the main thing that people are looking for they're

01:22:03.200 just so tired of an elite world that thinks that they're better than them and that they're other

01:22:12.020 and that they're um you know they're separated behind some fence right um and uh i i think that

01:22:19.960 you represent that very well on on stream and it comes from this emotion where you say i never want

01:22:27.460 like the only reason people look to you the way they do is it's it it it's clear that this is

01:22:35.080 never about being the lead character for you well you get what i mean by this the way i see it is

01:22:40.560 like everyone has a role to play regardless of like how what their capability is it's it's if

01:22:46.920 they're going to play it or not right well I mean our roles can change and our roles can change

01:22:53.840 based on our contextualization of them right like we can decide and and everyone gets to decide what

01:23:00.180 their purpose is right and in any moment in any you can just decide my my purpose is x like I

01:23:06.040 look at the world and I've decided to, that's the coolest thing about life. We get to judge

01:23:11.640 the measuring stick that we judge our value in existing off of. Um, and if you, if you default

01:23:18.360 to somebody else's value stick, whether that is hedonism, like how much pleasure you feel

01:23:22.980 or how much status you have. And I think status is the primary measuring stick that most people

01:23:27.420 default off of um and i and and and uh i think that you you can through you know the way that

01:23:36.300 you show yourself to people show your other people they don't need to judge themselves off of that

01:23:40.540 anymore yeah and that's hard i mean i i did that for myself for the longest time i thought

01:23:47.240 you know how many people i slept with who i was hooking up with that was what a man's worth was

01:23:54.200 judged on yeah and it if you just default to these societal standards that f's up your life

01:24:01.040 i i think the important thing is like i think people people like us we have we're in the

01:24:07.740 position where we can give people like a reason i guess to do anything and it's it's

01:24:14.840 well i'm trying to like formulate it sorry we can get we can give people like or it's like

01:24:21.900 you know if you don't think you have a purpose then shut up and listen to my purpose and take

01:24:26.420 it upon yourself and like be infected by me

01:24:29.620 when we wrote our first book we were literally taking the opposite perspective so if anyone

01:24:37.580 who's like followed us for a long time and they've read our books our first book is like

01:24:40.520 okay i'm gonna give you every purpose you could possibly have and you're like gonna go through it

01:24:45.840 i'm gonna try to be as unbiased as possible and then me like 10 years later no like just

01:24:51.320 do this thing this is what this is what you should do like what are you this is wrong this is right

01:24:55.580 this is stupid this is smart yeah we god okay yeah i was reading that book actually like just

01:25:03.360 yesterday i i like that book i think it's helped a lot of people um it's a good one yeah yeah we

01:25:10.600 get we get emails from people pretty frequently about it um we wrote it for ourselves and for

01:25:14.560 our kids because we wanted to work it out and honestly ever since we did um i've i've never

01:25:20.580 felt FOMO I've never felt cognitive dissonance because I know what it is that I'm about that I

01:25:27.480 want to optimize so like there's never any ambiguity unless it's tactical um about like

01:25:33.140 should I be doing this thing or not it's like well does this maximize something I be like the

01:25:37.240 thing or things I think have inherent value yes or no like okay then I'm not gonna worry about it

01:25:41.640 like that's where all the bad feelings like live isn't that ambiguity that's when it's you get that

01:25:46.420 like kind of bubbling like nasty feeling you know yeah yeah like oh i should be at that party because

01:25:51.720 i didn't realize this one but you're right it was after writing that book when i began

01:25:57.700 because i didn't like this isn't like idea i just like sat down i was like okay like i need to

01:26:02.760 figure out a reason to be alive i should i should probably have those moments yeah i exist uh so

01:26:10.600 i'll just go over every argument and it wasn't even like it's like people think like somebody

01:26:15.720 sits down and uh you know like joseph smiths or something and they're like oh i'm gonna go ask god

01:26:20.100 or something why i should be alive uh no i was like that girl who did like the the uh which guy

01:26:26.560 should i date all the positives and negatives of each one for every reason why i shouldn't kill

01:26:33.580 myself okay let's go through every one of them and uh maybe one of these will be hot to me

01:26:40.720 i'm like okay i'll marry that one um and then and then i ended up you know changing over time and

01:26:47.300 every every everything like that there's a lot of it was a lot of um uh yeah yeah biggest problem

01:26:54.640 in society right now is purpose i'm not really as you guys put it objective function yeah we don't

01:27:02.560 have a framework for it anymore like we this is how the way purpose dissolved i'm gonna go on a

01:27:07.740 separate i'm so sorry no no i love this as a society used to have frameworks for purpose and

01:27:15.960 for most people they were their religious system um and the school system ironically i think we

01:27:23.160 lost our purpose not because of the secular world but because of the way the religious world acted

01:27:28.380 to the school system so the school system would try to give people alternate purposes they try to

01:27:33.900 be like okay um yes you may have a purpose in this respect but here's some other philosophical

01:27:40.440 concept of why life matters what matters in life and you go to the 80s or whatever and the religious

01:27:47.420 people like you can't tell our kids there's some alternate reason that life may have meaning right

01:27:51.320 like we need to go with this reason but then the religious people weren't passing on the full

01:27:56.760 structure of their religion to their kids they were passing on a number of superficial tales

01:28:02.760 and then like urban monocultural beliefs as i often talk about it like oh uh well like

01:28:07.980 uh you know perfect you know everyone's exactly the same and that our entire world purpose is

01:28:15.240 maintaining this uh this this this sameness but it but it didn't continue on to the next generation

01:28:21.220 and so when i grew up it was a world where everyone was terrified to give me scaffolding

01:28:28.300 to build purpose around um and i made terrible decisions in my life because i didn't know i i

01:28:37.520 looked to society and i have to talk about this and i uh saw everyone and i literally thought i

01:28:42.260 was like okay and i know this sounds so stupid like now but i literally followed this until like

01:28:48.640 you know into college right like i it sounds almost non-sentient that someone could have

01:28:53.700 this perspective but i was like my purpose is to uh have status among males and to sleep around

01:29:01.520 right and uh if you look at like the online manosphere content i think a lot of young men are

01:29:07.220 picking this up they're they're like oh that's that's what men do in this world right like that

01:29:12.040 what makes a man cool uh i watched have you ever heard of hansa hon hon hon honza he's a male

01:29:19.380 influencer you should watch her hansa video it's very funny because we go into how this basically

01:29:24.000 destroyed his life um and uh he had this really perfect fiance um and he ends up breaking up with

01:29:34.460 her basically because he doesn't feel as masculine anymore right like and it's like well you know

01:29:38.880 you you you the all of this stuff that you have taken to be like this is masculine this is

01:29:44.860 manosphere etc was to get the wife and then move to the stage where it's about making her happy

01:29:51.160 and your family happy and that will that will give you more purpose than anything you could

01:29:55.680 have done in this hotness maxing stage but you accidentally adopted this hotness maxing stage

01:30:00.840 and there was a moment where he was trying to make a major life decision uh live in a country

01:30:06.960 or live in a town and he said the the the metric he used to make the decision is which was more

01:30:13.920 manly right and i was like well that's a really bad metric to use about a major life decision

01:30:19.700 yeah but it's not dissimilar to a metric i may have used at his age right um and i think that

01:30:26.280 like all of us can just like disseminate to people like you don't need to do what i'm doing in life

01:30:32.860 right or believe what i believe in life but if you can for the love of god just think through

01:30:38.440 things yourself like don't yeah like like like an anti-influencer like just don't listen to the

01:30:43.980 influencer it's like just think through for yourself what has value i think that's a problem

01:30:49.400 though i don't think i don't think people are as equipped to actually think for themselves because

01:30:53.500 like you know i remember when i was school like in school they would have like socratic seminars

01:30:58.920 like you would like have to think through like these individual problems but now it's like

01:31:02.440 here's like the answer to the thing like that's it like write that down there are literally

01:31:06.260 de-influencer influencers so yeah it's no literally if you like search de-influencing

01:31:15.600 on youtube exactly what i mean wow there are a lot of them um yeah it's bad no idea how bad

01:31:23.640 school is these days we send our kids it's not just school though the big thing you're missing

01:31:27.460 malcolm is that like for a very long period of time there there haven't necessarily been

01:31:33.160 very good networks for giving someone an objective function basically it was just serve god if you

01:31:37.740 got to that point but the vast vast vast majority of humans were just super stoked to like maybe not

01:31:43.320 be dying right now to not be hungry to like not watch like their children or their parents or

01:31:49.300 their relatives or loved ones to be dying and starving so like that was kind of it um and even

01:31:54.780 like we've talked about this on other podcasts like reading my grandmother's biography and stuff

01:32:00.060 and just her experience is just trying not to die.

01:32:03.140 And she was just so excited to like not be dead.

01:32:05.760 And then like, oh my gosh, you know,

01:32:07.080 washing machines were invented and how great is this?

01:32:10.120 Like just people have been so,

01:32:13.240 there hasn't been room for it.

01:32:15.340 Now that there is room for it,

01:32:16.740 we need better frameworks.

01:32:17.980 But then like the one thing that was left,

01:32:19.740 which was the church is just not there to help people

01:32:23.560 because they gave a decent,

01:32:25.840 but here's the problem is that many religions,

01:32:28.300 especially like post enlightenment weren't really good at holding up to science and physics and so

01:32:36.300 for a lot of people even if churches were strong and church communities were strong they weren't

01:32:41.080 going to cut it for people and that's where you see even in the past a lot of um a lot of nihilistic

01:32:49.540 struggling among the wealthy the wealthy elite like landed gentry etc because like for the people

01:32:56.180 for whom church just didn't do it they were like i'm not buying this or this this explanation

01:33:01.780 doesn't make sense for me they would lose their faith and then just play status or sex games

01:33:05.980 that was it um or some some kind of stupid optimization game and usually it had to do

01:33:11.220 with power or money and this goes back to like the founding fathers of america you can see oh yeah

01:33:16.180 oh this goes way back before then um it was either you know god worked for you um or it didn't if

01:33:23.400 you reach that level in life and like one percent ever did so yeah we just i'm glad that we

01:33:29.440 found a framework that worked but i like people do it one of the things that simone is mentioning

01:33:34.400 here that i think leaflet will find a funny idea is we talk about how like women crave a dystopia

01:33:40.840 like the the reason like young girls read all these dystopian fictions is because most women

01:33:45.820 throughout history lived in a dystopia like if you go back you know great depression dystopia

01:33:50.280 world war one dystopia world war two dystopia and you go pre-great great depression i mean for women

01:33:55.500 truly a dystopian pre-feminism was just always a dystopia because you don't have property rights

01:34:00.460 and stuff so like yeah we've evolved to live i was born in the dystopia you know i was made in

01:34:06.520 this dystopia so well no but the challenge this causes is we argue is that especially for young

01:34:12.160 women and that's where i think young women go woke so hard is they need to believe that there's this

01:34:16.440 giant oppressive force out there and so they don't grow up with a genuine existential threat

01:34:21.380 they create one and they believe this existential threat the patriarchy or whatever is as real as

01:34:29.240 you know living in a communist state or something like that

01:34:32.100 you could say they were born renegades that need like a force to navigate and fight against and

01:34:40.060 when that structure is gone and we will solve this for our daughters by torturing them this is uh

01:34:45.660 they deal with enough constraints as it is um but they also like the i think the one that

01:34:53.360 malcolm was referring to earlier titan literally thinks she's going to become

01:34:56.640 someone who she saw as another vtuber who's a shark princess um she she

01:35:02.580 yeah i know girl yeah yeah she's gonna be like i'll be like yes ma'am and she'd be like

01:35:10.300 i am not a ma'am i am a girl and a shark princess and she takes it extremely seriously

01:35:18.520 i i don't if she's she doesn't need dystopia she's gonna be tell her at the time where she

01:35:23.820 says she's gonna eat you when she grows up oh yeah yeah she's like sorry mommy i'm gonna

01:35:29.920 grow big and yeah like i'm gonna eat you um i may eat you she said and i'm sorry yeah we've

01:35:35.900 negotiated down to like might bite but probably not me so i think we're making progress nice

01:35:44.620 yeah this is great we play into our kids fantasies maybe too hard no it's all yes and it has to

01:35:51.380 always be yes and it's 100 necessary it is it is fantastic they're they're very vehement about it

01:35:58.160 but oh gosh okay we will let you get on with your day i had fun thank you thank you you were yeah

01:36:04.540 just yeah keep doing keep doing the things you guys do yeah i genuinely laughed a lot i laughed

01:36:10.640 like cried at the beginning i was actually like crying at the beginning when we were talking about

01:36:14.760 like the fucking concepts that we're talking about and people thinking that we're far-right extremists

01:36:20.100 like that far-right extremism is just like the nerdiest effing nerds you have ever seen in your

01:36:26.860 life we're hanging out and talking about like philosophy and like made-up game worlds i know

01:36:33.600 it's it's so crazy yeah sometimes my leftist friends from high school probably think we're

01:36:39.880 like you know just sharpening our tiki torches and putting on khaki pants and whatnot and like

01:36:44.900 well actually there are two different types of this and like uh you know we we have to like

01:36:50.520 talk about the lore and like you know and like sharpening our tiki torches i mean i need to use

01:36:56.740 that i love that so much thank you check out her stuff by the way guys uh join this community

01:37:05.940 it is called rpg.angelsword.com all right it is gonna be worth it oh my gosh thank you all right

01:37:14.120 bye

Based Camp - April 02, 2026

Dangerous Right Wing Extremist... Nerds？ (Leaflit Deep Lore)

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