Based Camp - Detransitioners： The Culture War's Body Count - Discussion with Benjamin Boyce

00:00:00.000 Anyway, so he was a very effeminate gay man. 0.96

00:00:02.460 He goes on these hormones and stuff, and then he comes of age, 18, 19, 0.95

00:00:06.580 but he's still like a little boy.

00:00:08.480 And I'm like, wait, it wasn't just a gay thing.

00:00:11.280 They had a young boy.

00:00:13.160 It was basically legal PF files because he had all the attributes of him.

00:00:17.700 He was locked at 14, but he's 19.

00:00:20.220 Oh, that's so gross.

00:00:22.300 So he was preserved and then offered on the altar this stuff. 0.92

00:00:25.720 No.

00:00:26.380 Oh, no.

00:00:27.540 No.

00:00:27.960 Would you like to know more?

00:00:29.160 Hello, everyone.

00:00:30.520 It is so wonderful to have you with us here again today.

00:00:32.960 We have a very special guest with us today, Benjamin Boyce.

00:00:36.760 His YouTube channel has one of the highest overlaps of subscribers with ours.

00:00:41.760 And if you watch it, it would be immediately obvious why.

00:00:44.500 He does lots of very high thought, high intellect, intellectually dissonant interviews.

00:00:51.440 Yeah.

00:00:51.800 But what's interesting is I can get a trickle of what you think in your perspective from the interviews.

00:00:56.740 But I'd love to have an interview that's like the you interview, what you think on things.

00:01:01.900 So I'm excited to at least be one of the people who's doing this.

00:01:04.880 And one of the projects you've been working on recently that I think would be a really great start to this is, I guess, I call it like the de-transition project, which is lots of interviews with people who are well-known voices in the de-transition community.

00:01:18.380 I'd love it if you could just get started with what got you thinking about this and where you see things changing within that community over the past year or so.

00:01:27.980 Can I answer that question by asking you guys a question?

00:01:30.580 Of course.

00:01:31.380 Like when did you become cognizant or invested in what we call the culture war in its current iteration?

00:01:40.460 Wow.

00:01:41.660 God, that's a good question.

00:01:42.760 Honestly, not at all until they started firing at us.

00:01:47.220 It's very interesting.

00:01:48.800 So I would have considered myself-

00:01:50.980 Was this about Spankgate?

00:01:52.260 So just like two or three weeks ago?

00:01:53.820 Oh, no, no, no, before Spankgate.

00:01:54.680 It was the beginning of the pronatalist stuff.

00:01:56.940 Really, as soon as we started getting public attention, you're forced to pick a side these days.

00:02:02.180 And at first, both sides were yelling at us.

00:02:05.340 But the one side, when we'd sit down and try to talk with them, they could have a lucid conversation.

00:02:10.540 And then the other side, there just wasn't really a conversation.

00:02:13.300 It was just concede and submit to our world perspective.

00:02:17.300 I'm actually going to say it's earlier than that.

00:02:18.960 It's when we got involved in education reform in the state of Pennsylvania.

00:02:21.780 And the mere idea that we were critical of the legacy education system meant that we were going to be Republicans.

00:02:29.500 Just like, of course, you're a Republican because you don't think public school is perfect and in need of more money.

00:02:38.000 And therefore, obviously.

00:02:41.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:42.240 So what year are we talking about?

00:02:43.860 At least 2019.

00:02:45.340 2019.

00:02:45.840 Okay.

00:02:45.980 So that's pretty late.

00:02:46.760 We were like firmly centrists.

00:02:48.720 And when we were younger, we were full out, like quite progressive Democrats, I would say.

00:02:53.220 Yeah, blue pills.

00:02:54.260 Yeah.

00:02:54.380 Do you guys have any remembrances?

00:02:56.700 You might be too young of Gamergate.

00:02:59.000 Oh my God, of course.

00:03:00.720 But when Gamergate was happening, like I was well on the side of the Gamergate. 0.91

00:03:06.660 Like I was like, okay, this whole five guys situation is ridiculous. 0.90

00:03:10.420 This is clearly a breach of journalistic integrity.

00:03:12.780 But I think back then there was still a believable disconnect between the, of the time, the Tumblrina army, the Tumblr internet and the cloud agendas and all of this insanity and the real mainstream Democratic Party.

00:03:29.580 Like I didn't think that those people had any direct connection on the type of policy that would be implemented by a Hillary Clinton government.

00:03:38.120 That changed pretty dramatically over time.

00:03:41.520 Hmm.

00:03:42.760 Now, what's your memory of Bernie Sanders, the 2016 lead up?

00:03:46.240 I hate Congress.

00:03:47.620 I never liked Bernie.

00:03:49.340 So I, my favorite.

00:03:50.500 Progressive but not commie.

00:03:52.060 Yeah.

00:03:52.240 That's interesting.

00:03:53.100 Okay.

00:03:53.300 So you're already, the red pill is already leaking into your.

00:03:56.820 No, I loved, who was the other guy, the old guy who was the anti-Bernie who seemed really cool.

00:04:02.680 Ron Paul.

00:04:02.920 Ralph Nader.

00:04:04.100 Ron Paul.

00:04:04.740 I really liked Ron Paul.

00:04:05.900 Ron Paul seems like a righteous.

00:04:07.320 Ron Paul's what a vegetarian bros were really into.

00:04:08.900 So like in the early political dissonant days, I was Ron Paul count, not Bernie camp.

00:04:14.020 One of, one of my favorite things about Bernie.

00:04:17.260 And this is like one of my favorite stories about him because to me it represents who he is.

00:04:21.960 And I think he truly is.

00:04:23.020 Both him and Ron Paul, I think show themselves really honestly in the public sphere.

00:04:27.180 And the big, it was when he was a kid, younger than us, like in his late 20s, I think, is he went to a commune and they kicked him out because all he would do is stand up in like the common room and give speeches every day.

00:04:41.680 And I was like, this man has not changed over the past 50 years.

00:04:47.360 And so he is honest about who he is.

00:04:49.340 It's just, I think, a malicious element in society, but our malignant element in society.

00:04:54.220 But what about you?

00:04:55.060 Were you Ron Paul, Bernie?

00:04:57.340 So I went to this college, hyper-progressive college.

00:05:00.100 I didn't know that it was going to be hyper-progressive.

00:05:02.080 It was just down the street from where I was living.

00:05:03.940 And it was really cheap state school.

00:05:05.720 I was older.

00:05:06.340 I hadn't gone to college.

00:05:07.060 So I got the Pell Grant and it was just like basically free college for four years.

00:05:11.300 So I could pause my life and concentrate on what I wanted to concentrate on, which is what I ended up calling narrative arts.

00:05:17.620 Like what is the function of narrative?

00:05:19.180 How do you build it?

00:05:19.960 How is it deconstructed?

00:05:21.060 What are the different ways to arrange, rearrange and derive meaning from it?

00:05:24.860 And so I went to this place called the Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington, which has a very non-traditional structure, no grades.

00:05:33.400 Courses are like completely immersive, three, four or five professors for a quarter or a year.

00:05:38.980 You just go there, you sink your teeth in and a lot of independent work.

00:05:42.160 So that's why I went there.

00:05:43.460 But when I got on campus, it was like stepping from what year was this?

00:05:47.800 2013, back into 1990.

00:05:51.160 They had pictures like posters everywhere, stop the war in Iraq.

00:05:54.080 So they're still a little bit behind there by 10 years, which would all, by the time I left, all those posters would be replaced by the BLM poster.

00:06:02.980 And then they had big posters about no one wins under patriarchy and like this really crusty kind of old, weird Gen X feminist kind of bluster and gusto.

00:06:12.800 And I'm like, okay, that's really weird.

00:06:14.220 This is like ersatz or anachronistic.

00:06:16.980 And as I went to, and as I progressed through my degree working on my stuff, the civil rights or the civil rights 2.0, anti-racism via D'Angelo and even Kendi came and became central to the entire experience of the college.

00:06:33.400 Where the administration empowered very radical teachers to basically try to redesign the entire college experience around ending racism in our time.

00:06:43.260 And that blew up in their face phenomenally.

00:06:46.760 It just completely, what happened at my last four weeks of school is that the students who were taught to fight the system and end racism,

00:06:54.700 turned that against the system that taught them that and took over this college, took people hostage, live streamed the whole thing on the internet in this super cringey manner.

00:07:05.240 You guys should watch my documentary. 0.82

00:07:07.260 It's if you, if you're into cringe, if you're into like the end game of this progressive bullshit, it's I documented it all, but. 0.92

00:07:14.560 Oh my gosh, I'm ready for this.

00:07:16.160 What's the documentary called if our fans want to watch it?

00:07:18.340 Yeah.

00:07:18.700 It's called the complete evergreen story.

00:07:20.820 I'm currently doing a watch through because it's seven years, it just, it's a seven year anniversary just happened and me and my wife are now going through and watching the whole documentary.

00:07:30.120 It's really extensive and it's not even complete because there's just too many stories going on.

00:07:34.180 I was there watching that whole thing progress and I was working in the media department.

00:07:38.580 I was on the camera recording these workshops and these lectures that were incredibly, they're trying to reinvent racism and, and everybody's falling for it.

00:07:48.340 Wait, this is the wrong direction.

00:07:50.640 You guys are going in the wrong direction. 0.92

00:07:52.300 They started worshiping black students.

00:07:55.020 Affinity groups. 0.63

00:07:56.660 What?

00:07:57.340 Affinity groups.

00:07:58.680 Like, I know.

00:07:59.220 Yeah.

00:07:59.320 Well, yeah. 0.80

00:07:59.960 We need like black people to hang out with black people and white people to hang out with white people because, and I'm like, this is, you are reinventing racism.

00:08:06.040 So that's basically what got them a lot of press because the college had a, every year they had based on a Douglas Turner ward play called a day of absence where this Southern town, all the black people don't show up for the, for a day.

00:08:20.060 And it shows just how much this town relies on the black folk.

00:08:23.800 Right. 0.77

00:08:24.240 And then they did that every year at evergreen.

00:08:26.680 Like do this, the people of color, the POC would go off campus and they'd have a little thing. 1.00

00:08:32.400 And then they come back and then they have a day of presence where everybody gets together and have a cultural sharing, multicultural positive thing.

00:08:38.340 But one year, 2017, after the election of the former, possibly next president, Donald Trump, they decided to reverse that and ask white people to leave the campus.

00:08:51.240 And they even required white students to not be on campus, go out in the woods and do classes like under tarps in the rain because the campus was going to center people of color because they wanted to be inclusive.

00:09:02.780 Okay.

00:09:03.180 Under diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:09:04.400 And then Brett Weinstein, who's an evolutionary biologist who has a lot of, you guys probably heard of him by now.

00:09:10.320 He stood up against that and then got flack back and forth.

00:09:13.620 And so when all the, it's this crazy narrative, I won't spend too much time on it right now, but all these layers upon layers of stuff going on in this tiny little campus.

00:09:22.900 When, you know, the students do this uprising, they live stream it, they're acting just insane.

00:09:28.180 And the internet gets wind of this.

00:09:30.680 Now this is post Gamergate.

00:09:32.200 This is 2017.

00:09:33.980 A lot of people post Gamergate on YouTube had gone from anti-feminism to anti-SJW stuff, which would then become anti-woke stuff.

00:09:42.200 So there was just a lot of hay being made out of social justice warriors. 0.72

00:09:47.080 And that was just how people made their money, was doing all these cringe compilations.

00:09:50.980 When the evergreen stuff just dumped all of that material on there, they had a hay day.

00:09:55.160 They had an absolute hay day.

00:09:56.280 And I was already like interested in what was going on the internet, but I didn't understand that people would just run with the narrative and not actually talk about what was going on behind it.

00:10:04.760 And so what I did was I just took my phone and I started to record like a view from the inside.

00:10:09.840 And then I worked in the media department, so I got my hands on all of the primary footage of how the teachers taught the students to rebel and explicitly said, you need to uprise and destroy these bureaucratic institutions because they treat you just as bad as they treated your ancestors in the 60s or in the 1820s or in the Caribbean and stuff like that.

00:10:32.060 Directly, they said that.

00:10:33.940 So my job as a YouTube person, when I got onto YouTube was to chronicle that.

00:10:39.300 And I spent a lot of time just focusing on that one story and then a similar event to get to your question.

00:10:45.560 A similar event happened up in Canada at Wilfrid Laurier University, where a young TA named Lindsay Shepard was, she showed a video with Jordan Peterson and this other guy arguing about pronouns.

00:10:58.600 And she was teaching in a composition class and she apolitically just shared this about composition, because if this is how language is changing, like, what are your thoughts?

00:11:09.420 And her professor and the guy in charge of the department over there and then their DEI all took her aside and grilled her for 40 minutes. 0.88

00:11:20.160 And she recorded the whole thing.

00:11:21.460 They broke her down into tears, this total struggle session, and it was all about gender.

00:11:25.780 And then that hit the internet.

00:11:28.000 And again, the internet makes hay with that.

00:11:30.480 And I'm like, there's something else going on deeper in there.

00:11:33.080 So I started going through that college and looking at the gender issue.

00:11:36.260 And I saw that these gender activists, these trans rights activists specifically, would, are just the most borderline personality, narcissistic, Machiavellian characters on the planet. 0.96

00:11:47.500 They claim to represent this marginalized group, and then they proceed to act like complete tyrants. 1.00

00:11:54.140 And just like the black people or POC did at Evergreen, like these, this handful of just radical idiots took over and then just smeared that community that they supposedly represented. 1.00

00:12:07.460 It's just replicating. 1.00

00:12:08.620 So the social justice ideology or whatever this thing is, I don't know what you guys, how you frame it, but that has a pattern that just goes over and over again.

00:12:16.680 And once I got into the gender aspect of it, I was just fascinated with this topic because I was tired of race. 0.96

00:12:22.540 And I don't think that there's an endgame with race.

00:12:24.840 I don't know.

00:12:25.460 Maybe we can talk about that.

00:12:26.460 What you guys are, your thoughts on the endgame of race politics.

00:12:29.760 But gender stuff is so dynamic. 0.68

00:12:31.300 It creates children.

00:12:32.580 It transcends race, and we always are struggling.

00:12:36.640 And it just, it flies in the face of this kind of liberal-ish assumption that we're all created equal and that noticing difference is really problematic.

00:12:45.580 But it keeps on protruding into our safe space.

00:12:50.740 Yeah.

00:12:51.380 I think both the race and the gender thing have really backfired on them in completely unique and different ways recently.

00:12:57.520 The race thing, and this is fundamentally what progressives don't understand.

00:13:03.160 Sorry, interviewer hat.

00:13:04.580 You said them.

00:13:05.500 Backfired on them.

00:13:06.660 Could you just define for the sake of the conversation that they are?

00:13:09.580 I'd say the larger memetic structure that is obsessed with race. 0.99

00:13:14.120 The normal American doesn't give a shit about race. 0.98

00:13:16.480 It's just not important in our daily lives anymore. 0.98

00:13:19.280 So you say, so them is defined by the activists that are actively trying to end race.

00:13:24.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:25.000 They have created a world where they seem to believe that America is – okay, this is the way I genuinely think the world works in their head.

00:13:36.140 America is 70% white, 30% black, and the 30% black is like this oppressed class. 0.98

00:13:43.240 That is not the case in America.

00:13:46.420 The, for example, Hispanic population is about twice as large as the black population.

00:13:50.920 They cashed in all of their Hispanic chips by over-indexing on the black population in a way that completely marginalized the Asian and Hispanic population in this country, which are both fairly significant voting blocs.

00:14:06.940 And then they went even further by going this whole anti-Semitic route recently, which has the Jewish population in this country, even if they're not a big voting bloc, they do have a lot of institutional power and wealth. 0.99

00:14:22.360 And so that was astronomically stupid of them. 0.94

00:14:24.860 And so I think that this sort of mist – it's one of the things I often look at when I'm looking at, like, media representation. 0.98

00:14:31.580 Is media representation – if you want to talk about who's not being represented, it's Hispanic people.

00:14:36.200 Like, white people, we get, like, less than we probably should, but low numbers when I'm talking about, like, percentage of the population.

00:14:42.740 Black people, like, they seem to believe that black people represent all minority groups and that all minority groups like and identify with black people.

00:14:52.600 And that's just not true.

00:14:54.820 One of the things I point out is that in the L.A. riots, the communities that were hurt the most were the most recent immigrants because they had moved in right next to the black community.

00:15:03.500 And in that instance, those most recent immigrants were South Koreans, which were then radicalized because it was their community being burned to become a far-right community.

00:15:11.580 This happened within many Latin American communities during the BLM riots, is that the towns and neighborhoods that were being burned and the shops were mostly Hispanic-owned.

00:15:21.320 And, of course, the media wasn't talking about this, but that, again, doesn't matter because the media doesn't understand Hispanic families.

00:15:28.980 So I, as a white person, I get my media from, like, the news, right?

00:15:34.480 Hispanic families get the media from their family networks. 0.90

00:15:37.640 That is, like, their source of what's true in the world.

00:15:40.120 Well, there's also, like, Hispanic media, but it seems to be somewhat divorced from –

00:15:44.520 It's not as important as family network information.

00:15:46.620 And so we have a lot of – our company is almost entirely Hispanic.

00:15:51.340 We, like, our friend network is heavily Hispanic.

00:15:53.380 That's why we used to split our time between the U.S. and Lima.

00:15:56.560 Between Miami and Lima.

00:15:57.720 So we were not in America.

00:15:59.580 So the media, like, the progressive tool for manipulating public opinion doesn't work as well against Hispanic communities as it does against other types of communities.

00:16:10.600 So where is their outcry from 2020?

00:16:16.020 Were they just ignored or did they not complain?

00:16:18.580 We didn't see complaints.

00:16:20.200 Well, we saw internally.

00:16:21.160 We saw we've been left behind.

00:16:22.720 Like, internally, they're like, okay.

00:16:25.060 There's been a huge shift in the Hispanic community towards conservatism.

00:16:29.160 And then they have a problem that they don't understand the real American black community.

00:16:32.380 So the real American black community is more than anything else distrusting of authority. 0.72

00:16:39.620 They're very – conspiracy theory is the wrong word.

00:16:41.840 But they are very open to these right-leaning ideas of the powers that be are lying to you and attempts to manipulate you.

00:16:48.980 And this isn't, like, gullibility.

00:16:50.800 It's something they've gone through multiple times learning from history.

00:16:53.860 And it is clear to many in the black community who is the power that be today.

00:16:58.360 And it's this urban monoculture progressive, whatever you want to call it. 0.98

00:17:01.660 In regards to the trans stuff, this is insane. 1.00

00:17:05.540 And as you say, it's insane. 0.94

00:17:07.440 Like, I can't imagine being, like, a real trans person or, like, a real lesbian or a real gay person.

00:17:13.440 And now somebody says, I'm queer. 0.99

00:17:15.540 And I'm like, by queer, do you mean that you're a sexually aggressive cis male sex pest that's pretending to be a woman? 0.96

00:17:21.140 Or do you mean that a lot of these, quote-unquote, trans women, when I was growing up, I was very involved in the LGBT movement. 0.98

00:17:28.840 I really support the real gay, lesbian, and trans community.

00:17:33.240 What is being represented? 0.98

00:17:34.940 Like, the people who took over this movement are just cis male sex pests, largely speaking. 0.99

00:17:39.620 And they're female enablers. 1.00

00:17:41.180 If you look at every major feminist organization that's connected to power, they're all on board and pushing the trans stuff. 1.00

00:17:49.440 Hardcore.

00:17:49.720 Yeah, I read, like, a virus through many lesbian communities and ended up, one of the most interesting, you know, I was listening to, and I'd love to hear your anecdotes around this, a lesbian who I respect, talking about this recently. 0.81

00:18:02.460 And she's like, there was this weird moment when I went to a group house where three lesbians was living.

00:18:07.660 And I went back a few years later, and all three of them were transitioning. 0.66

00:18:11.600 And I was like, wait, what are the odds that all of you just happen to be trans? 0.52

00:18:17.260 This is supposed to be an incredibly rare thing.

00:18:20.600 And so I think that's something that we've seen.

00:18:23.220 As to why this disproportionately happened in lesbian communities, I think, and I know this is a very offensive thing, but I think that women are slightly more susceptible to social norms changes.

00:18:34.840 Like, they're more likely, and you see this in the data as well, they're more likely to support whatever the perceived social norm is.

00:18:42.680 Is that some sort of evolutionary Stockholm syndrome baked in because women would be captured in combat and just have to adapt to new society? 0.99

00:18:50.960 Could be, and also if there's more dependence as someone who, like, when you're more likely to spend a significant or not insignificant portion of your life vulnerable to pregnancy or having an infant with you, it would make sense that you'd be more compliant with whatever society you have to depend on for some protection or social services or at least a little bit of assistance.

00:19:09.120 Well, also, I think that part of this is probably downstream of religiosity.

00:19:12.840 Women historically were more religious and more spiritual than men.

00:19:17.460 And we've argued in the past that gender has taken on the role of the soul within progressive circles, where they're talking about, there's something about myself, and it's not biological, and it's not how I was raised.

00:19:28.660 It's different than either of those, but it controls who I fundamentally am.

00:19:32.760 That's what we used to call a soul.

00:19:34.380 And so I think a lot of this is a type of a religion.

00:19:37.020 Yeah, I love how they don't do that with race, like my inner black man.

00:19:40.660 If they went that route with the race, racial soul, then Rachel Dolezal would be, would come out on top. 1.00

00:19:48.740 Yeah.

00:19:49.560 Yeah, I'm wondering, yeah, so when you saw this happening, when were you like, I'm, did you think you were a progressive or identify with the progressive movement when you were younger?

00:19:59.140 Oh, no.

00:19:59.840 I grew up in suburbs of Sacramento, mostly.

00:20:03.380 So red, but purple, and dad's pastor.

00:20:06.280 So we were pretty much in church all the time.

00:20:08.200 I did a lot of paper routing from 11 to 18.

00:20:12.280 And I would listen to Rush Limbaugh a lot because he had, he was really entertaining.

00:20:17.440 And he did all these bits and skits and stuff like that.

00:20:20.740 And then I just went apolitical.

00:20:22.520 And then when I wanted to get political again, when post 9-11, George Bush W just goes in this holy crusade about just going after people that are millions of miles away or thousands, hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands of miles away.

00:20:39.120 How far Iraq is. 0.70

00:20:40.520 And I didn't like that.

00:20:41.300 I didn't like the warmongering and stuff.

00:20:42.940 And I wanted him out.

00:20:44.040 And then John Kerry concedes. 1.00

00:20:46.760 I'm like, this is just bullshit. 0.99

00:20:47.800 I spent all this energy caring about this thing that doesn't care about me at all. 0.94

00:20:51.700 I was also living in Portland at that time in the 2000s when it was like the Portland that people wanted to move to before people moved to and made it something else.

00:21:03.120 You know, Portland squared.

00:21:04.200 But, and I just had the sense before Barack and during Obama's era that we're just in this, we're in this bubble where we're not really connected to reality and we have these beliefs.

00:21:15.920 I just had the sense, we have these beliefs about what truth and goodness is, but we are so coddled in this bubble and someday it's going to break.

00:21:25.400 Someday it's going to pop.

00:21:26.340 And I just, I was uncomfortable with the smugness that just became more and more ramped up over the course of Obama era. 0.98

00:21:34.280 And then I want, I thought Bernie was, you know, had some sort of mandate of heaven on some level and his treatment by the democratic party was just so awful that I just said, screw you. 0.99

00:21:48.240 And I went, I didn't go pro Trump, but I was just really happy how upset Trump made everybody because they were so hypocritical, higher on their own farts. 0.99

00:21:58.020 And that just pissed them off so much. 0.98

00:22:00.460 So it was, I slowly became trollish.

00:22:02.180 But then when I saw what happened at Evergreen firsthand with the end game of this racial stuff where I like, they turned me racist.

00:22:08.980 Where I, when I was on campus after that hostage situation happened and I saw a black person and I got literally, first time in my life, got scared and just turned on and went another way.

00:22:19.460 Because I'm like, this person has all the power and can completely lambast me, accuse me of all these things and even beat me up.

00:22:25.920 And I have no recourse just based on the color of my skin.

00:22:28.700 Imagine how Jews feel today.

00:22:30.360 Have you seen some of these videos?

00:22:31.980 Yeah.

00:22:32.420 Yeah.

00:22:33.220 Yeah.

00:22:33.760 Yeah.

00:22:33.940 That's a, yeah.

00:22:34.900 That, that Jew thing, the Jewish thing really throws a wrench in the whole system. 1.00

00:22:38.980 It upsets it, which just makes me really interested in how it, because a lot of like the Jewish people were complicit in a lot of the anti-white stuff. 0.79

00:22:49.600 But then once it comes after them, then they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:22:53.600 We, we're, we're, we are the OG oppressed class.

00:22:56.460 We've been oppressed longer and harder than anybody because we've been living with these whiteys. 1.00

00:23:00.840 So don't turn that stuff on us.

00:23:02.500 But it seems like in colleges and stuff, I saw a lot of that. 0.53

00:23:05.820 Like that, a lot of Jewish people riding the anti-white line up until like it blows up in their face.

00:23:12.800 And then you're like, okay, what did you expect? 0.99

00:23:14.640 You're dancing around with leopards.

00:23:16.220 I'm, this sounds like I might be a little, I don't know how it sounds. 1.00

00:23:19.900 No, no, I think the problem we have is the conservative Jews and the Orthodox Jews never went along with the progressive bullshit. 0.99

00:23:27.020 It was always the reformed Jews, but reformed Jews are richer and they're more likely to be in colleges. 0.99

00:23:31.680 But like we always say, people don't confuse Unitarian Universalist Christians with like Catholics, right?

00:23:39.520 And yet they often confuse like conservative Jews with reformed Jews.

00:23:45.580 And I'm like, these are.

00:23:46.060 It's a branding issue.

00:23:47.180 It's their names are all the similar.

00:23:48.800 So you just lump them all in.

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.900 Of one thing.

00:23:51.980 Yeah.

00:23:52.900 But the reformed Jewish movement basically has no fertility rate.

00:23:55.840 Like they're going to be gone soon.

00:23:56.980 They're basically just a malignancy, which is affecting this one generation of Jews. 1.00

00:24:01.640 Malcolm, I have to inspect this idea because you put a lot of stock into fertility rates, like being drivers of the meme complexes and stuff.

00:24:10.240 Or like these meme complexes are not.

00:24:12.660 Yeah, I want to hear a pushback.

00:24:13.680 Resseminating itself.

00:24:14.720 But are we not at a time where the meme complexes are faster than genetics by orders of magnitude?

00:24:20.860 Can't they travel faster and infect more people than the other ones that breed people so that they can just. 1.00

00:24:25.660 And you're absolutely right about that.

00:24:27.900 But they, in sort of their wave, they wipe out.

00:24:30.540 So it's a bit like saying, okay, the Black Plague is spreading through our civilization right now, right?

00:24:36.560 Except it doesn't kill people immediately.

00:24:38.380 It just sterilizes them, right?

00:24:40.480 And I'm pointing to one community that's been sterilized.

00:24:44.120 And you're like, yeah, but it's continuing to spread in this neighboring community.

00:24:49.000 And I'm like, yes, it is spreading in the neighboring community.

00:24:51.480 I don't disagree with that.

00:24:53.000 But it eventually burns out.

00:24:54.500 Like, it is true that it is spreading in neighboring communities right now.

00:24:59.140 But it hasn't fixed its fundamental issue that it hasn't figured out how to replicate itself other than through taking children.

00:25:06.600 And because of that, I just don't see how it survives.

00:25:11.560 It can in some countries, like in Germany, where they've gone full Nazi, where they're like, okay, private school is not legal in this country anymore.

00:25:18.940 Or we get all your kids.

00:25:21.160 It can burn itself out.

00:25:23.180 And then what does that end up looking like at the end of the day?

00:25:25.520 Germans become the what?

00:25:26.600 A Muslim country or something like that. 0.78

00:25:28.140 Because they know how to protect their kids.

00:25:29.920 Eventually, whichever group fundamentally knew how to protect their children in a way that other groups didn't.

00:25:35.340 They're the groups that come out on top after the disease is done.

00:25:38.680 We're just in this period of fallout now where we can predict the various outcomes, but we can't predict them with 100% certainty or anything like that.

00:25:47.480 It's just because the way that information travels so fast now and the way that kids are plugged into the internet from such an early age and the way that these algorithms work in a black box.

00:25:58.720 I don't think that the battle is so much.

00:26:01.880 We can just rely on fertility, replacing it. 0.99

00:26:05.000 No, no.

00:26:05.120 It actually has to be active.

00:26:06.300 And that's why your work, I think, is so important because you guys are speaking into this place that's dominated by these anti-natalist forces, right?

00:26:16.900 And you're providing pushback and upsetting the rad fems and poking fun at all these different groups that you guys find yourself being on the whipping end of the whip-up. 0.71

00:26:25.860 It's actually a really interesting point you make that has me reflecting on something that I hadn't reflected on before, which is to say you're showing off your skills as an interviewer here.

00:26:33.920 So this is why people need to go to this channel, right?

00:26:35.700 People, people, the thing I was thinking about.

00:26:37.100 You are the gazelle.

00:26:38.080 I am the cheetah.

00:26:39.340 The different communities and how they react to, like when I say community and cultural groups, and how they react to or how susceptible they are to the virus.

00:26:51.280 And there's huge amounts of differential here.

00:26:53.740 So conservative Jewish communities seem to be uniquely good at preserving their community values without going crazy.

00:27:00.860 They seem to have almost a complete immunity to these intellectual viruses in a way that doesn't cause them to radicalize.

00:27:08.780 As to why, I think it's because Jews are predominantly an urban cultural group.

00:27:13.420 We did a video recently, something like 89% of Jews or 98% of Jews live in urban centers.

00:27:18.380 Can I just interview that?

00:27:20.380 What do you mean by radicalize?

00:27:21.740 Can you specify what you mean by that?

00:27:23.040 So a weird thing that happens to some communities when they're hit by the urban monoculture is the iteration of them that is resistant to it or survives the interaction becomes like crazy radical.

00:27:35.880 So I think this is what happened to Protestant communities in the late 90s, early 2000s, is that they were hit by the urban monoculture, and their reaction to it was to become the form of evangelical that fits into popular culture today.

00:27:53.620 But this sort of radicalization in response to contact seems to burn itself out.

00:28:00.080 That iteration, that evangelical Protestant, doesn't really exist in huge numbers anymore, or not in a way that's actively engaging in the cultural conversation.

00:28:10.080 If you look at the listened to conservative commentators, they are predominantly of Catholic or Jewish heritage.

00:28:16.700 You're looking at like a Ben Shapiro or whatever, or Bill O'Reilly.

00:28:19.440 Oh, yeah, Bill O'Reilly.

00:28:20.480 Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bill O'Reilly was Catholic.

00:28:23.000 He also wrote crime novels.

00:28:24.640 But the question is, again, okay, why Catholics? 0.96

00:28:27.280 Why did they not go crazy? 0.98

00:28:28.800 They went a little crazy.

00:28:30.080 In response to this.

00:28:31.580 And their fertility rates have fallen more than other groups, but they seem to have a little bit more resistance to deep penetration.

00:28:36.860 And again, it's because they're a predominantly urban cultural group.

00:28:40.060 Catholics mostly settled in urban environments.

00:28:42.620 So they're already adapted to, what is the special sauce in the urban?

00:28:46.420 We're adapted to the proto version of this memetic virus.

00:28:50.920 They were, they before.

00:28:51.880 Which would be old school multiculturalism, like being able to coexist with a bunch of different kinds of groups.

00:28:57.960 And then seamlessly integrate through commerce, basically.

00:29:02.060 If you live in a city, you have to learn culturally how to prevent your kids from being deconverted in an environment where you're a minority. 0.95

00:29:09.740 And the Protestant groups just never needed to pick up that skill.

00:29:14.180 And so when this sort of virus like swept across the country, like the Black Plague or something, it just completely decimated their communities and turned them woke like super fast.

00:29:26.060 And then they began to put up what we call the colonizer flag based on a part of our discord, which is the triangle flag.

00:29:32.100 We call it the colonizer flag.

00:29:33.500 Yeah.

00:29:33.740 And then the other faction of that same group that you're talking about broke Trump, broke MAGA and became the blunt of the regime or the monocultures jokes and fears and a lot of the riling up.

00:29:45.760 Like they are the enemy.

00:29:46.820 If those who didn't succeed and going, breaking towards progressivism were, are the number one outcast group.

00:29:56.900 They are the ones that Biden talks about when he's, I'm going to bring, I'm going to unite us together to destroy this one group in our country.

00:30:04.160 These MAGA, ultra MAGA people who are going to the NASCAR, who still believe in Jesus, but the wrong Jesus, the white Jesus or whatever. 0.55

00:30:10.600 So they are a very powerful group, but they are vilified inside and out by every rung of the vertically integrated messaging apparatus.

00:30:20.240 Yeah.

00:30:20.680 And one culture that was uniquely susceptible to this, maybe even more than the Protestants were the Mormons.

00:30:26.000 The Mormons just were destroyed, deconversion rate wise, within their culture.

00:30:32.380 And your theory is that because they were so isolated by within a very specific chunk of time, 50 years in American history, they took a break from, they were disconnected from the path of American culture for a certain amount of time.

00:30:48.100 And then it caught up with them.

00:30:49.980 No.

00:30:50.420 So the Mormons were destroyed for a somewhat unique reason.

00:30:53.640 So Mormons were both isolated.

00:30:55.240 They lived in mostly Mormon communities for a long time.

00:30:58.080 But then in addition to that, the Mormon community became hyper fixated on trying to fit in, like be normal, not be weird. 0.64

00:31:08.040 And this drive to fit in with the perfect like black pill or kink in their armor that these cultural viruses could use to infiltrate the community. 0.89

00:31:19.420 Yeah.

00:31:19.720 Yeah.

00:31:19.960 I spoke with a ex-Mormon.

00:31:22.100 He's a therapist.

00:31:23.100 And so he works mostly with ex-Mormons.

00:31:25.020 And it was just like hearing his story about how he was really plugged into this worldview, this Mormon worldview.

00:31:31.060 And then he lost faith and he was in free fall and it was terrifying for him.

00:31:35.380 So he grabbed onto progressivism and then he realized like, this is just as radical and just as disconnected from reality.

00:31:42.580 Yeah.

00:31:42.760 But there's no going from a really tightly formed meme plex or whatever you want, like belief system or ideology into this liberal wasteland.

00:31:51.440 There's nothing to believe in.

00:31:53.920 And the people, a lot of people have to reconfigure how to believe or what is the function of belief.

00:31:59.320 And progressivism is a tight or a thick belief, whereas liberalism is a loose or diaphanous belief system, like where you can have, you bring your own, you create your own meaning.

00:32:10.320 No meaning is handed to you.

00:32:11.460 It's really destabilizing for the Mormon frame of mind when you're really deep into it. 0.90

00:32:16.240 So I wonder if there's something there about liberalism's problematic relationship to progressivism or how this kind of liberal anything goes, you do you, we do us.

00:32:27.680 We just understand what reality and truth is.

00:32:30.300 We're all going to work on that.

00:32:31.480 It was so susceptible to this progressivism, which is a more thick belief or a narrow myopic belief, harder, hotter.

00:32:40.740 Well, I think you're right.

00:32:41.660 I think that one is a funnel that leads to the other.

00:32:44.300 Like one catches you as you're falling and then funnels you towards the extremism.

00:32:49.320 Hmm.

00:32:50.140 Hmm.

00:32:51.340 Can we live in a world without extremism?

00:32:53.560 And do you guys, in your consciously created ideology or, and I mean that in a, just a non-moralistic way, are you building into your children antibodies to radicalism?

00:33:07.460 Oh, absolutely.

00:33:07.840 Or have you seen, have you played around with your ideas enough to say, okay, how could they be radicalized and what would the end of that radicalization point be?

00:33:15.240 Like, yeah, the radicalization of our ideas and the dangerous radicalization of our ideas would be extremist transhumanism, i.e. AI over humanity.

00:33:24.640 Robo wombs. 0.94

00:33:26.820 I don't know.

00:33:27.520 That's par for the course for us.

00:33:28.900 The extreme radicalization is the discounting of humanity altogether, which is a potential downside of what we're doing.

00:33:36.500 But we protect.

00:33:37.500 I disagree with Malcolm.

00:33:39.520 I think radicalism is inevitable and we have a radical religion and a lot of people see that and criticize us for it.

00:33:47.180 But the stance.

00:33:48.080 You guys are already radical.

00:33:49.760 Yeah.

00:33:49.960 You cannot be a true religious devotee.

00:33:52.140 You cannot truly live your values without being seen as a radical by mainstream society.

00:33:57.220 So we have to define radicalism, but you're going to be seen as a radical if you adhere to your beliefs.

00:34:03.240 And if your beliefs do not immediately track with mainstream society, which in any person's lifetime, especially now in this period of rapid cultural iteration, you're going to seem at some point like a radical.

00:34:16.540 If you do not change with the vicissitudes of changing culture.

00:34:21.580 For example, if you just let's say like you held the mainstream political beliefs about gender and race and everything else from 1992, you would be seen as some kind of radical today.

00:34:33.520 So I think that the nice thing about being a religious radical is that you are at least radically devoted to carefully selected values and objective functions.

00:34:45.040 More or less coherent system.

00:34:46.740 Yeah.

00:34:46.920 Yeah.

00:34:47.480 Instead of just, this is what's correct.

00:34:49.480 And what I would say is, is the worst kind of radical is one that hasn't basically come to a conclusion where they can show their work.

00:34:57.340 They've just chosen a random seems to be correct answer.

00:35:01.080 And then that's where they're going.

00:35:02.520 I love how you're showing your work right now.

00:35:06.060 A little baby work there.

00:35:07.880 She is wobbly today.

00:35:08.820 My first infant interview.

00:35:11.020 There you go.

00:35:12.260 Oh, we're ruining this little infant's life by putting her on camera.

00:35:15.440 Yeah, that's, yeah.

00:35:16.560 Someday someone will be critiquing this YouTube video and blurring her face out in their attempt to undo the evil we have done. 0.72

00:35:23.840 Stole her soul before her time.

00:35:26.180 Honestly, like I watch a lot of YouTube critiques of people who have babies in their videos and always they blur out the babies.

00:35:32.160 And there is this kind of, yeah, I'm preserving their soul.

00:35:35.400 I'm not going to be a part of this terrible machine.

00:35:38.140 But yeah, anyway, what I'm really curious to know is what has surprised you in these interviews?

00:35:43.340 Because I think a lot of us come to blanket conclusions around this is progressivism.

00:35:48.720 And this is what progressives think.

00:35:50.160 This is what gets people to de-convert.

00:35:52.360 But I think that there's a lot lost in those functions.

00:35:58.400 I'm curious.

00:35:59.460 Yeah.

00:35:59.640 So I'm, I have about 80 interviews with de-transitioners or around that topic. 1.00

00:36:07.980 And de-transitioners fall into a variety of different categories. 0.99

00:36:12.240 So you have the male to estrogize, male to male de-transitioner, and then the female to masculinize, female to female de-transitioner.

00:36:21.780 And then you have the lesbian or you have the straight girl or you have the teenage girl, ROGD, rapid onset gender dysphoria, read a bunch of fanfic and was attracted to men, but like really disliked the power dynamics.

00:36:35.340 So imagine herself as a gay man to enact like that, what we were talking about earlier about the spicy, straight, queer stuff. 0.99

00:36:41.260 And then you have males with autogynephilia, you have males with personality disorders, you have males with pornography addiction, you have very hyper effeminate gay males who don't fit into society. 0.98

00:36:52.740 And if they just surrender and build on that femininity, they can just be accepted as a female because they're never going to be accepted as a, like kind of Blair White, just as a very hyper effeminate male.

00:37:03.040 You just don't really have a place in certain societies and stuff.

00:37:05.740 One thing that surprises me to directly answer your question with regard to that community, which is not a community because there's so many different people there, is just the resilience of the human soul.

00:37:16.240 And the central key in the de-transitioner story arc is where their soul speaks to them or where God speaks to them and say, you're lying to yourself, stop lying to yourself.

00:37:26.480 It's just such a beautiful moment.

00:37:28.060 And then they look down and they realize it's usually after a very traumatic surgery that these doctors just sped them on either an orchiectomy, penile inversion, or a mastectomy.

00:37:37.660 They look down at their body and say, wait, I didn't like what I was, but this is not what I am.

00:37:41.920 I'm not, this is not my pet destiny or something.

00:37:45.180 And you just get this glimpse that we are, for lack of a better word, and maybe poking fun at Malcolm's interview with me, we are loved.

00:37:54.360 And that when we betray that which loves us, we betray ourselves.

00:37:58.640 And we can't actually function in this world without that connection, that really deep belonging that is underneath all these other hierarchy of needs.

00:38:06.860 And that de-transitioner arc, probably similar to like an alcoholic's arc, like a lot of TV shows and movies over the last 30 years have overused the format because it does have this, it's got this really convenient arc where somebody recognizes the truth and then apologizes, confronts their resentment, confronts their regret, and then picks up and moves on and then say, okay, I'm damaged.

00:38:28.520 And everybody can see how damaged I am. 0.97

00:38:31.200 Everybody can see how fucked up I am because I participated in this lie. 0.98

00:38:36.540 And then it shows the lie of the system, but it's no longer a political act. 0.99

00:38:41.060 It's no longer a political story.

00:38:42.460 It's no longer a reformation story of the system that's just gobbling up people, this huge satanic industry that's literally sacrificing children.

00:38:51.760 Like you, people cannot understand that our, our current regime is worshiping Moloch. 0.99

00:38:59.160 They are sacrificing babies on the altar of this gender ideology and nobody can see that. 1.00

00:39:04.500 But if you, these de-transitioner stories, they show, they just show this is a human thing.

00:39:08.920 And so bringing it back to the human and then you go to the universal and that's what, it's not surprising.

00:39:13.400 It's just beautiful to me.

00:39:14.780 That's beautiful, like damaged flower.

00:39:16.300 To your answer there, one episode that hasn't gone live yet, because I don't want to get too canceled, too, too many of these too quickly.

00:39:23.300 Oh, you love it.

00:39:24.680 I'll use the word boobicide so that I'm saying here, which is to say that it is widely known, like even the who has training courses and Stanford has training courses for media professionals to not talk about boobicide because it's a very addictive concept.

00:39:42.740 And so whenever you have it happen publicly, they typically come up with the story.

00:39:47.160 Yeah, he's talking about the real one.

00:39:48.720 I thought you were talking about this massive amount of mastectomies.

00:39:50.600 Not actually mastectomies.

00:39:51.960 Okay.

00:39:52.400 Which is a, you know, rest to say.

00:39:53.980 Also a thing.

00:39:54.620 Yeah.

00:39:55.020 Okay.

00:39:55.800 What's really interesting is that they have created this idea for young impressionable people where they're like, okay, you are X now.

00:40:04.740 And if you don't do Y, the only alternative is boobicide and like any previous study of this would be like, oh yeah, of course that's going to lead to a lot of kids doing it. 0.81

00:40:14.840 And it reminds me of this South Park episode, which we put in the other thing, where Rob Reiner is going to kill Cartman to prove that cigarettes are bad for people and that secondhand smoke can kill.

00:40:26.140 And Cartman's like, but he reads it and he's all happy to have all these adults paying attention to him.

00:40:30.660 And he's like, wait, what?

00:40:31.660 And I feel like that's unfortunately what's happening to a lot of young people is that anyone who understood psychology could have predicted the result of this ideology.

00:40:41.740 Yeah.

00:40:42.240 Yeah.

00:40:42.700 Yeah. 0.60

00:40:43.000 What the hell do you think you're doing?

00:40:44.840 This is the girls' bathroom. 1.00

00:40:46.800 All right.

00:40:47.140 I need to tell you something.

00:40:48.040 I'm transgender.

00:40:49.920 What?

00:40:50.600 Did you notice the bow?

00:40:51.640 It's okay, Red. 1.00

00:40:52.260 I can take a shit here. 1.00

00:40:52.960 I'm a dumb chick too. 1.00

00:40:53.700 You are not transgender, Eric. 1.00

00:40:56.400 You don't even know what that means.

00:40:58.280 Yeah, huh.

00:40:58.680 It means I live a life of torture and confusion because society sees me as a boy, but I'm really a girl.

00:41:02.600 Trust me, you don't want this hot potato.

00:41:05.120 But this isn't a hurting, confused child we're talking about.

00:41:07.860 This is Eric Cartman.

00:41:09.300 Nobody else is going to know that.

00:41:10.980 You better just give him what he wants.

00:41:13.080 All you got to do is just read the words on the teleprompter here.

00:41:16.560 Okay.

00:41:17.420 Let's see how the transphobes deal with this.

00:41:20.000 You know, some people say there's no proof that's...

00:41:22.880 Not Transitioning Children. 0.93

00:41:24.840 Kills.

00:41:26.000 I guess I'm the proof. 0.99

00:41:28.460 By the time you see this commercial, I'll be dead.

00:41:33.900 Dead?

00:41:34.860 That was fantastic.

00:41:36.480 What does that mean, I'll be dead?

00:41:38.380 That was very good, Eric.

00:41:40.220 Here, eat this cupcake.

00:41:42.900 It has sprinkles.

00:41:45.560 Do you know what a hero is?

00:41:46.740 Our hero is somebody who sacrifices himself for the good of others.

00:41:51.040 You can be a hero, Eric.

00:41:54.600 Jesus Christ!

00:41:56.020 I was interviewing somebody for...

00:41:59.100 I've been doing some interviews with my spiritual group and just different people's stories and stuff.

00:42:04.220 And I was interviewing somebody who's deeply involved in the deep state, literally.

00:42:09.100 Like, they worked in Congress for years and years under Pelosi, under all these people.

00:42:13.340 And we got to the idea of the trans kid.

00:42:15.900 And this person just was so on fire to protect the trans kid that they...

00:42:20.440 I just saw in this...

00:42:22.100 Yeah, I just really saw, like, what Yarvin talks about or what other people talk about, like, the global empire, like, the global American empire.

00:42:29.720 Like, we want to eat all of your culture. 1.00

00:42:31.900 And the trans kid is the one thing that can just put these women, specifically, these bureaucratic women on fire to go and, you know, love everything about a culture except completely destroy that facet of the culture that replicates the culture. 1.00

00:42:46.560 Wow. 0.86

00:42:46.880 Which is the cultures where culture plugs into sex, which is what we call gender. 1.00

00:42:50.780 And these women want to destroy that gender thing, which allows that culture to replicate. 1.00

00:42:56.100 And they think that they're, like, it's so...

00:42:58.440 The fire in their eyes, this crusade. 0.86

00:43:02.400 And the trans kid idea, I think, is the most satanic idea. 1.00

00:43:06.960 Like, one of the most satanic ideas of this particular century.

00:43:10.460 No, I was saying it's really interesting.

00:43:12.640 So, contrast this idea with a kid consenting to PDA-file-ness.

00:43:18.960 So, in one case...

00:43:21.060 PDF files?

00:43:21.820 Like, the Adobe?

00:43:23.200 The Adobe PDF?

00:43:23.840 No, he's trying not to use man-boy-loving.

00:43:27.180 And boy-loving?

00:43:28.580 Be proud to be a man-boy-lover.

00:43:30.920 This is from the old...

00:43:32.140 This is the skit that they used to do on Howard Stern, where a guy would come on here.

00:43:35.260 I'm proud to be a man-boy-lover.

00:43:37.340 Anyway, the kid sleeps with somebody who is older than them.

00:43:42.860 That's bad, right?

00:43:44.360 And I would say a kid shouldn't be able to consent to that.

00:43:46.600 But what the result of that is, is a single traumatic experience.

00:43:51.560 If a kid consents to puberty blockers or gender transition, that is a lifetime commitment of potentially negative experiences.

00:44:05.060 And not just biological, financial and cultural and social.

00:44:08.940 It's all of these things.

00:44:10.180 There is no escape in life.

00:44:11.780 And yet, I can say, no, my 13-year-old daughter, I don't care that you find this guy attractive.

00:44:19.860 You cannot...

00:44:21.080 Or my 15-year-old daughter, you cannot sleep with him. 1.00

00:44:24.100 Fuck off. 1.00

00:44:25.200 That's obviously a bad idea. 1.00

00:44:26.980 And I'm going to prevent you from doing that.

00:44:29.240 Yet, if you do that in this other category, it's considered, like, a protected class.

00:44:32.920 And I'm like, how?

00:44:34.780 Yeah.

00:44:35.340 It's just people haven't thought through it.

00:44:37.280 I just transcribed an interview with a young man who went on puberty blocker, went on, yeah, puberty blocker, spirolectin, I think it's called, and estrogenized hormones at 14.

00:44:47.780 So, he was essentially frozen.

00:44:50.180 And the data's not it.

00:44:52.180 But we're pretty sure that the brain has very specific windows when it develops.

00:44:56.620 And if you miss those windows, it doesn't go through these development phases.

00:44:59.700 So, we're literally retarding brain functioning for these kids.

00:45:04.860 In animal models, it's about a one standard deviation decline in IQ to be on puberty blockers.

00:45:09.380 It's huge, huge.

00:45:11.100 Anyway, continue. 0.97

00:45:11.960 Anyway, so he was a very effeminate gay man. 0.98

00:45:14.540 He goes on these hormones and stuff. 0.88

00:45:16.240 And then he comes of age, 18, 19.

00:45:18.700 But he's still like a little boy. 0.70

00:45:20.260 And he gets swept up in gay, sleeping around culture. 0.99

00:45:25.260 And I'm listening to his story.

00:45:26.640 I'm like, wait, they were, it wasn't just a gay thing.

00:45:29.220 Like, they had a young boy.

00:45:31.180 It was basically legal PF files.

00:45:33.660 Because he had all the attributes of him.

00:45:35.720 He was locked at 14.

00:45:36.540 Oh, right.

00:45:36.700 Yeah, he looked young.

00:45:37.500 But he's 19. 0.97

00:45:38.220 Oh, that's so gross. 0.93

00:45:40.320 So, like, he was preserved and then offered on the altar of this stuff. 0.81

00:45:43.760 No.

00:45:44.400 Oh, no.

00:45:45.540 No.

00:45:45.900 So, actually, a lot of people, like, and I know this is something that, again, I think

00:45:51.180 there is a real trans community. 0.54

00:45:52.960 But I think that sex pests took over parts of the community because they realized they 0.99

00:45:57.640 wouldn't be criticized if they just claimed to be trans and they can be sex pests all 1.00

00:46:00.520 they want. 0.99

00:46:01.280 But this isn't a hurting, confused child we're talking about.

00:46:04.040 This is Eric Cartman.

00:46:05.460 Nobody else is going to know that.

00:46:06.940 You better just give him what he wants.

00:46:09.320 That actively targets underage kids for this stuff.

00:46:14.460 Because that is their thing.

00:46:15.840 And I'll put a, from Turkey Tom did a great video on one of these people.

00:46:19.120 Has he started hormones yet?

00:46:20.420 Yes, but not effectively. 0.97

00:46:21.720 I guess that's what you'd expect just telling a retard to buy hormones. 1.00

00:46:24.760 They bought estrogen, but no anti-androgen.

00:46:27.040 It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at, like, 12.

00:46:30.040 Haha.

00:46:30.600 Isn't that true for everyone?

00:46:31.820 Don't worry.

00:46:32.320 I'll make him into a good girl. 0.66

00:46:34.000 Don't blow up our spot, bro.

00:46:35.500 All teaslers are like that.

00:46:36.860 If you can trust me around your kid, it'd be transphobic not to. 1.00

00:46:39.820 Me with daycare tots.

00:46:41.360 To Orion and many of his associates, their identity was little more than a political shield.

00:46:45.880 It clearly worked given he publicly fantasized about assaulting women in bathrooms.

00:46:50.060 Me when transphobic little girls ask me what I'm doing in the woman's restroom when I'm 1.00

00:46:53.840 obviously a woman. 1.00

00:46:55.060 And I'll put a quote from that video here because people are like, no, you're making

00:46:58.420 this up.

00:46:58.860 And it's no, like, this is a real thing.

00:47:01.040 It doesn't matter if it's a minority thing.

00:47:03.440 What about those kids?

00:47:04.700 Do you not care about them?

00:47:06.440 Because some of this is sexually motivated and to pretend it's not is just to ignore

00:47:11.360 what the trans people are saying.

00:47:14.480 Yeah.

00:47:15.160 Yeah.

00:47:15.720 We're considering trans people.

00:47:17.600 So I would, I was at a, when I embarked on this series of interviews, I was really open

00:47:22.400 to the idea.

00:47:22.980 I had no idea what I understood.

00:47:24.440 I had a friend who was trans.

00:47:26.360 And then over the course of the years, I see this, my friend just never stops transing.

00:47:31.140 It's like, there's always one more thing to trans about themselves. 1.00

00:47:33.680 And so I just, I have a hard time, especially with the idea of trans kid is a mutation from 1.00

00:47:38.540 a trans person.

00:47:39.860 So I really have a hard time at this point in time, really thinking of transness as anything

00:47:46.920 other than something that one does.

00:47:48.460 Like I am a Smith.

00:47:49.640 I am a Miller.

00:47:50.480 I'm a content creator.

00:47:51.520 You're active transing.

00:47:52.840 Yeah.

00:47:52.920 It's the answer. 0.91

00:47:53.560 There's no such, there's, cause you can be a gay person. 0.99

00:47:57.000 That makes sense to me because it's, and you can argue, I try to understand the argument,

00:48:01.560 the Christian argument or the religious argument.

00:48:04.120 Even if you are that, it doesn't mean you should act on it.

00:48:06.640 That's a whole other conversation, but you're built in. 0.99

00:48:09.520 That's an emergent property of you to be gay, to want to have sex with men, if you're a 1.00

00:48:13.420 man or woman with women, or be actively disgusted by the opposite sex. 0.67

00:48:17.440 But transition, there's gender dysphoria, an active dislike or hatred of one's own body,

00:48:24.320 which is a mental condition.

00:48:26.160 And then there's steps to cause that body to become in the likeness of what you want,

00:48:32.280 which is a medical procedure.

00:48:34.180 And that's, it's an elective cosmetic procedure.

00:48:38.900 And then the hormone stuff, the endocrinology on this stuff, it's so messy.

00:48:43.120 These systems, these are endocrine systems are way too complex.

00:48:46.940 Injecting cross-sex hormones affects the entire system, not just your secondary sex characteristics.

00:48:52.720 Yeah.

00:48:53.020 It affects your brain development.

00:48:53.980 So I just, I, there's the libertarian argument about you're a grown adult.

00:48:59.020 If you're consent to this, you should be well-informed.

00:49:02.160 But the idea of transness is where it just, it's a big black box. 1.00

00:49:06.540 And it's really easy to swallow because it's inclusive.

00:49:09.240 It's you do you.

00:49:10.620 But what, but how does that not turn into trans kid? 0.84

00:49:13.480 If there's a trans adult, then they were a trans kid. 0.95

00:49:15.840 They were always trans, which means that they're always born in the wrong body. 1.00

00:49:18.760 But the thing, we don't, we don't say, oh, you're a gay kid, go out there and have sex 1.00

00:49:24.600 with guys while you're under age. 0.99

00:49:26.660 And I think that we should treat gender transition the same way.

00:49:29.280 I can admit, I'll be like, okay, trans people were at one point kids.

00:49:34.360 And that is okay.

00:49:35.880 But.

00:49:36.340 So what do you mean by trans people then?

00:49:38.700 I look, human brain is very obviously general.

00:49:41.920 There is very obviously a male and female brain. 0.96

00:49:43.900 My wife does not think like me that in some small portion of the population, I don't know 0.83

00:49:49.920 how small it could be very small.

00:49:51.900 One 0.1% that they are born with a brain that is gendered more like the opposite sex. 0.64

00:50:00.980 Especially when we look at endocrine disruptors in pollutants, which seem to be affecting this.

00:50:06.920 I can see that being some portion of the population.

00:50:12.020 And that these people might realize that they are in this group before they go through puberty.

00:50:18.020 The problem is, there was a great study done in 2023 that looked at gender non-contentedness

00:50:23.080 in 11-year-olds.

00:50:24.380 And it showed that by the time they were 23, more, or I'll put it this way, less than one

00:50:31.640 in 10 of them was still in the gender non-contented group.

00:50:35.080 The other nine plus were entirely happy with their birth gender.

00:50:42.260 And so the problem is that when people go through puberty, there is often an illusion

00:50:46.420 of gender non-contentedness, which is created by puberty. 0.64

00:50:50.520 It's people are like, what if I am that one in 10?

00:50:53.540 And it's unfortunately, there's no way to know if you're that one in 10, at least with

00:50:56.760 current research.

00:50:57.560 So you're better off just banning everything before the age of 23.

00:51:03.180 Yeah.

00:51:04.020 Yeah.

00:51:04.420 It's hard.

00:51:05.240 Yeah.

00:51:06.420 It's just, it's a, it's really odd issue to talk about because it does take into account

00:51:12.200 like the idea of what should other people be allowed or not allowed to do.

00:51:16.680 And I, do I have any right?

00:51:18.240 Do I want to make laws?

00:51:19.180 Do I want to go in another direction on the same topic?

00:51:22.100 Like pornography?

00:51:22.980 Do we ban pornography?

00:51:24.480 Like how do we educate around pornography?

00:51:26.520 But we know that pornography is a scourge, that it's doing a lot of damage to a lot of

00:51:30.660 relationships, a lot of people.

00:51:31.920 It's poison, but do I want to not drink anymore?

00:51:35.000 Okay.

00:51:35.440 Do you just let the world eat people alive in all these different ways and let people

00:51:40.140 like just give themselves over to this or that affliction and let God sort out?

00:51:46.660 You're right.

00:51:47.400 One of the things that always concerns me is with conservatives when they're like, we

00:51:50.820 need to get these trans teachers.

00:51:53.100 We can't have them talking about it in school. 0.57

00:51:54.840 We got to get these trans books out of school.

00:51:57.100 And you are, because they are afraid for their kid's safety.

00:52:00.420 And it's not that their kid's safety doesn't matter.

00:52:01.660 Like in my state recently, this, to me, what is obviously a cis guy pretending to be trans

00:52:06.340 used that cover to attack young women and nearly killed one and had another on a kill

00:52:11.640 list.

00:52:12.620 So he had, and I'm Mr. Drinkham.

00:52:14.440 That's the real trans genocide. 1.00

00:52:16.220 It's just happening in the other direction. 0.82

00:52:18.580 And he wasn't able to be fully punished because people were like, she's trans.

00:52:22.540 We can't punish her. 0.78

00:52:23.540 She can go into the women's restroom and attack. 1.00

00:52:25.420 She had a woman moment.

00:52:26.900 Yeah.

00:52:27.320 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:27.700 Oh, you're going to be crazy. 0.99

00:52:28.720 It's so sexist. 0.99

00:52:32.560 No, you want to talk about sexist?

00:52:34.060 It's so incredibly sexist.

00:52:35.340 Star Wars Acolyte.

00:52:36.120 We're about to, we'll end this interview soon so I can get our Star Wars Acolyte video

00:52:39.200 in.

00:52:40.000 One of my favorite moments in the episode three was the two lesbians. 1.00

00:52:44.980 Actually, no, Simone, I can't talk to you.

00:52:46.600 Spoilers.

00:52:47.420 Spoilers.

00:52:47.780 Oh, no.

00:52:48.300 Okay.

00:52:48.560 I watched Star Wars Acolyte episode.

00:52:50.920 We're not going to talk about scissoring on this show.

00:52:53.580 No.

00:52:54.120 You're going to have to wait.

00:52:55.500 Stay tuned for scissoring.

00:52:56.820 Rum.

00:52:57.340 Next on Basecamp.

00:52:58.720 What was I going to say about it?

00:53:02.440 Trans people being sexist, Malcolm.

00:53:04.940 Yeah, this issue being sexist.

00:53:07.060 Oh, no.

00:53:07.340 There was a trans person in Pennsylvania who caused the suicide.

00:53:10.740 Oh, yeah.

00:53:11.140 No.

00:53:11.540 But for a lot of these people, it's just cover to do whatever. 0.93

00:53:14.920 Like, it's cover for sexually aggressive cis men to do whatever they want and manipulate 0.93

00:53:21.140 and brainwash a lot of – oh, yes. 0.96

00:53:23.200 I remember what I was going to say.

00:53:24.260 It's about targeting young people. 0.98

00:53:25.620 So, they're afraid that what's going to happen to these kids is that they're going to be attacked by these trans individuals.

00:53:33.620 And I think that is fundamentally wrong.

00:53:36.480 Mostly speaking, while there are a few of these cis male aggressive people who attack kids,

00:53:41.480 the real risk you have is them being converted by these individuals when they're not actually trans.

00:53:46.040 And so, you get rid of the book, you get rid of the teacher, you haven't gotten rid of the risk to your kid.

00:53:52.940 And the only way you really protect your kid is with sex education. 1.00

00:53:57.460 Yeah.

00:53:57.760 Never shelter, annotate.

00:53:59.460 That is the biggest defense you have against all of this. 0.97

00:54:03.080 If your defense is trans people are evil or gay people are evil, then they meet a trans teacher and that person doesn't appear to be evil. 0.87

00:54:11.820 And now you have lost all of the defenses that you have built. 0.97

00:54:15.100 Yeah.

00:54:15.240 You need to anecdote.

00:54:20.040 Yeah.

00:54:21.040 Yeah.

00:54:21.420 Run toward the information.

00:54:23.520 Information is your – the truth shall set you free.

00:54:26.780 Yeah.

00:54:27.100 The truth shall set you free.

00:54:28.120 The truth shall defend you.

00:54:29.580 Malcolm, can I ask you one more question before you hastily end our delicious talk?

00:54:34.220 Thank you very much for having me on.

00:54:35.620 Oh, no problem.

00:54:36.700 At the end of our interview, which I love, I'm going to have you back on.

00:54:40.180 And, Simone, I'm really looking forward to having you on.

00:54:42.020 You'll have fun.

00:54:44.060 You said that in millions of years – so I'm like, okay, what's your transcendent goal?

00:54:49.960 What's the one thing? 1.00

00:54:50.780 Because you're like, love is shit. 1.00

00:54:52.540 Love is death. 1.00

00:54:54.080 Love is a cul-de-sac.

00:54:55.300 And it's going to end you.

00:54:56.700 I think of the Puritan dating joke, which I saw recently.

00:55:00.920 I put it on our last episode.

00:55:02.200 When he goes to his partner, roses are red, violets are blue, and bows are useless, so grow wheat.

00:55:12.020 Utilitarian, yeah, for sure.

00:55:13.540 All the way down.

00:55:14.040 I do want to love there.

00:55:15.420 You said something about the – eventually, in millions of years, humanity is going to turn into God or something.

00:55:23.600 I can't remember exactly how you phrased it, but you said – did you have a vision of that?

00:55:28.600 Have you had like a –

00:55:30.100 His beliefs, watch Gurren Lagann.

00:55:32.100 We evolve beyond the person we were a minute before.

00:55:36.260 Little by little, we advance a bit further with each turn.

00:55:40.280 We humans used to have somebody much greater than us.

00:55:43.460 For his sake alone, we'll keep on moving forward.

00:55:46.900 I've saved everything.

00:55:48.700 I'm the greatness of the human spirit, too.

00:55:50.840 The dreams of those who have fallen.

00:55:55.020 The hopes of those who will follow.

00:55:57.380 Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow.

00:56:03.360 Gurren Lagann is a very good representation.

00:56:06.280 Oh, I'll send you a quick –

00:56:07.100 He didn't have a vision.

00:56:08.080 He watched anime, which is what every true hero must do.

00:56:12.280 Watch more anime.

00:56:13.960 It was 50-50.

00:56:14.820 He was going to turn into a twink or he was going to turn into a pro-natalist father of eight.

00:56:20.000 And you broke fertile.

00:56:21.900 So here's the thing.

00:56:23.140 Gurren Lagann, it like treats people who believe that Earth has a –

00:56:28.280 What's the word they use here?

00:56:29.720 A population threshold or airing capacity.

00:56:33.460 And it treats them the same way Captain Planet like treats polluters.

00:56:37.360 As like these evil boogeymen who want to suppress human potential.

00:56:42.700 And a lot of people saw Gurren Lagann and they didn't realize how pro-natalist it was.

00:56:46.800 And then as if to slap them in the face and wake them up,

00:56:49.320 they made a second show recently called Darling and Franks,

00:56:53.360 which we have an episode about as well, which is about mechs,

00:56:56.260 but they can only be piloted by a cis man and cis woman piloting them together.

00:57:00.880 And the evil villains in it are the life extensionists.

00:57:04.200 Not being subtle with the propaganda here.

00:57:07.000 The propaganda of Studio Trigger is not subtle.

00:57:10.380 It is brief.

00:57:11.060 So they brainwashed me into their insane ideology of humanity is a good thing.

00:57:19.400 And that every – so in Gurren Lagann, it's even more than just this idea of a caring capacity.

00:57:25.840 They divide humanity into two factions.

00:57:28.740 One faction, which is the goal of humanity is to always improve ourselves.

00:57:33.420 Every generation become better. 0.84

00:57:35.100 And then the other faction, which is like an alien faction, is like every race that does this must be eradicated 0.99

00:57:42.640 because don't you understand if you're always improving yourself,

00:57:46.120 that eventually spirals out of control and destroys the universe.

00:57:49.760 You cannot keep becoming better.

00:57:52.300 You cannot keep improving yourself.

00:57:54.260 You need to find some sort of harmony or stasis or –

00:57:59.440 Yeah. Accept yourself for who you are.

00:58:01.540 What you were talking about in today's episode.

00:58:03.440 Yeah, yeah. Accept yourself for who you are.

00:58:06.220 And that's the way I see it.

00:58:07.620 That's why I see these concepts of love and self-acceptance is like the purest form of evil

00:58:14.040 that humanity has contacted and is like pure demonic from my perspective.

00:58:20.140 I wonder what your Valentine's Day is like, Simone.

00:58:24.120 Well, you should have – our wedding during our speech, we said –

00:58:27.560 Our vows.

00:58:28.080 Instead of flowers, it gives you like some sort of Neuralink implant or something.

00:58:31.300 It's like, I love you so much, Tira. I want you to think faster.

00:58:33.720 I work on Neuralink implants, by the way.

00:58:35.180 That was my first job.

00:58:36.320 I just – the technology wasn't moving fast enough.

00:58:38.380 Not at Neuralink, but at their predecessor companies, the predecessors of that technology.

00:58:42.480 But so for Simone, I told her when I was getting married, I was like, look,

00:58:46.840 I cannot promise to love you because love is an emotion outside of my control, right?

00:58:50.380 But I can promise to keep improving myself every day and keep pushing you to improve every day.

00:58:58.420 And I think that push that we have within our relationship exists towards humanity more broadly.

00:59:04.220 Love is just this evanescent thing, like a genetic scar.

00:59:07.820 And one day –

00:59:09.300 A genetic scar?

00:59:10.840 Yeah.

00:59:11.340 No, the post-ceremony reception was fantastic because when we passed around the fried haggis balls, 0.70

00:59:16.100 that was just so – you.

00:59:19.520 Yeah.

00:59:20.060 It was great.

00:59:22.260 A dangerous genetic scar that can be used to hijack us.

00:59:28.460 And one day, mankind will be freed from love and happiness and all of these useless concepts.

00:59:37.520 We'll be able to put little chips in our brain.

00:59:39.380 Yeah.

00:59:40.120 If somebody was like, do you want to get rid of them entirely?

00:59:42.140 And it's like, no, like the mechanicus.

00:59:43.280 I can tell that my brain is outputting grief, but this is not useful in my decision for what I do next.

00:59:48.680 So I won't.

00:59:48.900 That's how it works in – I'm obsessed with Ian Banks' culture series and none of these feelings.

00:59:53.480 Oh, gosh, you have to – yeah, the culture series by Ian Banks.

00:59:56.120 I think it starts with use of weapons, maybe?

00:59:58.640 Anyway, continue.

01:00:01.000 You can have what's called a neural lace in your mind, and it fully integrates you with AI and the internet or whatever, right?

01:00:06.660 Tech.

01:00:06.900 And you can also set up your body where you can feel everything – emotions, pain, physical, mental, et cetera.

01:00:13.740 You can also turn it off whenever you want.

01:00:16.460 So let's say you're in a very violent car crash, like an immediate emergency system turns off the pain.

01:00:21.760 But there's pain here.

01:00:22.600 There's pain here.

01:00:23.480 You can do the same with your emotions.

01:00:25.020 And that's – ultimately, when people talk about mastering their emotions from a much more woo standpoint, it's all about you feel the emotion.

01:00:32.100 You let it pass through you.

01:00:33.740 The thing is that we just – our wetware is not that good.

01:00:36.660 And so it can be really difficult to be like, I feel the pain, and I let it pass through me.

01:00:40.840 You're like, no, it still really hurts, and I just can only think about this thing.

01:00:44.420 And then you're not functional.

01:00:45.840 And really, pain exists as a signal.

01:00:47.540 As soon as you've got the signal and you are changing your behavior as you need to based on that signal, you should not be so distracted by that signal that you literally can't change your behavior appropriately.

01:00:57.840 And so that's how it should be.

01:00:59.220 We definitely respect emotions, and we respect why they are there. 0.99

01:01:03.600 But I think to be ruled by them or to see them as inherently valuable is incredibly dumb. 0.96

01:01:08.920 So that's what we're trying to avoid here. 0.88

01:01:10.960 Yeah.

01:01:11.420 Yeah.

01:01:11.880 I don't know.

01:01:12.400 God loves you guys, both of you.

01:01:14.580 Every cell, every moment.

01:01:16.260 I know he does.

01:01:17.780 He's a big fan of ours.

01:01:19.620 Yeah.

01:01:20.060 We really love God, too.

01:01:21.360 I like that we're on the right side of God.

01:01:24.000 Okay, yeah.

01:01:24.660 Keep on the right side of God.

01:01:26.020 Yeah.

01:01:26.760 That's a cute thing. 0.65

01:01:28.420 That's actually something I was talking to Simone about recently, where I was like, it is remarkable how stupidly good our lives are.

01:01:34.540 We might not be super rich or anything, but I have everything I could ever want.

01:01:38.120 We're always freaked out because our life looks like the B-roll from the before disaster scene.

01:01:43.400 I'm like, we're at the beginning of a Punisher movie.

01:01:45.480 Yeah.

01:01:46.540 Everything's taken away.

01:01:47.780 And I'm like, we only get to keep this if we keep fighting this culture war on full battle.

01:01:52.420 Because God has only gifted this to us because we are making sacrifices that give us no financial or public sector benefit.

01:02:01.340 Yeah.

01:02:01.460 It's very nervous making.

01:02:02.500 I cannot wait to talk with you again.

01:02:06.220 You are so thoughtful.

01:02:09.240 It's all I share.

01:02:10.260 I just play one on TV.

01:02:11.220 Yeah.

01:02:13.580 Stay for us chatting that we did before the episode.

01:02:17.980 Yeah.

01:02:18.120 Thanks for having me on, guys.

01:02:19.260 Where can people find you?

01:02:20.320 Benjamin A.

01:02:21.140 Benjamin A.

01:02:21.180 Boyce on YouTube and Odyssey, et cetera, and conversations in your podcast stream.

01:02:28.480 Excellent.

01:02:29.060 How frequently do you publish?

01:02:30.560 Every other day, sometimes more, sometimes less.

01:02:33.580 You deliver.

01:02:34.320 Okay.

01:02:34.740 Two or three times a week.

01:02:35.700 Yeah.

01:02:36.060 You have to keep the wheel spinning.

01:02:39.440 Hardcore like that.

01:02:40.180 That's the way this podcast started every other day.

01:02:42.380 And then I made a fateful decision of deciding every day at one point.

01:02:45.560 And now you're true, Malcolm.

01:02:46.940 There we go.

01:02:47.680 You can always take a break.

01:02:48.900 Just do seasons.

01:02:49.780 You can always do seasons.

01:02:50.960 Hitting in.

01:02:52.000 See you guys.

01:02:52.860 Thank you so much.

01:02:53.960 And I felt so sick, but it was so worth it.

01:02:56.000 Sometimes it's just worth it to be in that much pain.

01:02:58.460 And a bucket of sour cream and onion fried chicken is one of those things.

01:03:02.140 By the way, we take this banter and we typically put it at the end of episodes, but yeah.

01:03:07.880 No, more like I say something embarrassing before I know Malcolm's going to record and

01:03:11.920 then he's.

01:03:13.040 No, no.

01:03:13.700 Wing Bucket has sour cream and onion fried chicken wings.

01:03:17.080 It's a good, and it's in the center of downtown Dallas.

01:03:19.880 Now, is it still there?

01:03:20.820 They were actually talking about franchising it the last time I was there.

01:03:22.960 I don't mind investing in that.

01:03:25.000 Every time I go, there's people there.

01:03:26.340 It is worth it.

01:03:27.720 You guys have a lot in your heads.

01:03:29.600 How old are you collectively?

01:03:31.560 Are you guys.

01:03:32.120 Collectively.

01:03:32.640 I don't know.

01:03:33.240 60, 65, 62.

01:03:35.220 More than that.

01:03:36.040 We're 70, 73 to go.

01:03:39.920 That's the point of marriage, right?

01:03:41.260 Collective age.

01:03:42.440 Collective age.

01:03:42.880 I like that.

01:03:43.620 That's good.

01:03:44.760 Yeah.

01:03:46.060 Collectively.

01:03:46.760 But no, I'm always thinking about, oh, okay.

01:03:48.280 What's going to be a good investment or whatever?

01:03:51.300 How many franchises have you bought into?

01:03:53.500 None.

01:03:54.500 None.

01:03:55.820 Oh, wait.

01:03:56.320 There was the one.

01:03:57.140 I don't know.

01:03:57.460 Did we invest in Jonathan's?

01:04:00.400 Or did we just talk about it?

01:04:01.340 No, we never got the opportunity.

01:04:02.880 We would if he let us.

01:04:04.760 Yeah.

01:04:05.640 Five shares in Staples or something like that.

01:04:07.800 All right.

01:04:09.060 Okay.

01:04:09.560 So there's this weird phenomenon where if you are like, I'm sure you'll get to this.

01:04:13.940 Have you had people offer you equity in their companies yet?

01:04:16.780 No.

01:04:17.120 Like, you're more famous than us on YouTube, so I would figure you would have.

01:04:20.080 Yeah, but you're plugged into that whole techno-credic set, right?

01:04:23.220 Yeah.

01:04:24.140 So I guess it's a whole techno-nerd thing.

01:04:26.560 No, yeah.

01:04:26.940 You guys are all up in that investment community.

01:04:29.440 You're part of a clan.

01:04:30.660 I'm not.

01:04:31.480 I'm trans-clan.

01:04:33.000 If I'm trans-anything, it's trans-clan.

01:04:34.640 I was talking to Razeev, and he said, oh, yeah, that happens to me all the time.

01:04:38.580 So it's definitely part of, like, our scene.

01:04:41.360 Okay.

01:04:41.540 Valley adjacent.

01:04:42.460 Yeah.

01:04:43.000 Anyway, so I'm going to wind down here on the-

01:04:46.160 No, go.

01:04:47.120 Flow.

01:04:47.500 I'm going to do the part where we're going to start the episode.

01:04:50.040 Oh, okay.

01:04:50.820 And then this gets plugged in at the end of the episode just because we don't want random

01:04:54.660 chatter entering that-

01:04:55.920 Because you're like the opposite of me.

01:04:57.140 I just let it roll.

01:04:58.160 See, that's how I am.

01:04:59.540 I love when a podcast begins.

01:05:01.480 I mean, Red Scare, they just begin in the middle of God knows what, and I'm here for it. 1.00

01:05:06.000 I don't know how they got popular.

01:05:07.840 I don't get it.

01:05:09.120 Sometimes I look at a popular podcast, and I'm like, I don't get how you're a popular

01:05:12.340 podcast.

01:05:12.920 Because they're internet mean girls, and you're sitting in their cool person room, 0.86

01:05:16.420 and you want to sit there with the cool girls.

01:05:18.700 They're cool.

01:05:19.260 They're cool.

01:05:19.740 And they have a nice voice.

01:05:21.160 Yeah.

01:05:21.380 Voices, pair of voices.

01:05:22.560 It's very relaxing.

01:05:23.700 It's low energy, but in a very relaxing way.

01:05:26.460 Yeah.

01:05:26.720 Kind of club girls, but they don't have a hangover, but they haven't started partying.

01:05:30.180 It's like this nice little between zone.

01:05:33.520 It's beautiful.

01:05:34.620 Yeah.

01:05:35.320 Intellectual liminal space.

01:05:36.760 Very calming.

01:05:38.080 Yeah.

01:05:38.420 Like ASMR, but not gross.

01:05:40.380 Really nice.

01:05:40.920 Yeah, no, it is very ASMR.

01:05:43.100 Yeah.

01:05:44.240 Okay.

01:05:44.820 I'm not actually going to do it now.

01:05:46.040 Do it.

01:05:46.480 Yeah.

01:05:47.140 You're fine.

Based Camp - June 18, 2024

Detransitioners： The Culture War's Body Count - Discussion with Benjamin Boyce

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