Based Camp - Did Tradwives Evolve Out of BDSM？

00:00:00.000 So much of what the trad phenomenon has become, I would say, is actually more of a descendant 1.00

00:00:05.580 of BDSM community behavior than actual trad behavior.

00:00:11.080 A live-in 24-7 slave relationship.

00:00:15.280 Total power exchange, yes.

00:00:16.540 Yeah, total power exchange relationship.

00:00:18.880 They have covered in the costume of traditionalism, the trad wife TikTokers and Tumblers and YouTubers 1.00

00:00:29.040 that you are seeing are to a traditional relationship what hardcore porn is to a real sexual relationship 0.99

00:00:38.400 with a woman. 0.99

00:00:39.480 It is a consumerized format meant to masturbate a pacific subset of your sort of mental landscape.

00:00:50.040 It is not really what it is like to be in that sort of a relationship.

00:00:54.800 Would you like to know more?

00:00:56.180 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:00:57.180 It is wonderful to be talking to you today.

00:00:59.680 Today, we are going to have an episode in defense of traditionalism.

00:01:09.620 And people can know we've done some videos anti-traditionalist, where we argue that a lot of trad

00:01:14.700 wifing and stuff like that is really over-idealizing a model of family structure from a very limited

00:01:25.260 portion of United States history that isn't really indicative of any large cultural movement.

00:01:30.820 It was more what was just being sold by Hollywood at the time.

00:01:33.800 And people today, they're like, oh, Hollywood lies to us and gives us unrealistic expectations.

00:01:39.720 And I'm like, they were doing that in the 50s, too.

00:01:41.920 Like, this isn't a new phenomenon, buddy. 1.00

00:01:44.380 And they're like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:01:46.400 It was always a lie. 1.00

00:01:47.600 But I want to go on a few paths with this.

00:01:52.760 So first, I have heard people criticize trad wives and trad families as a LARP recently.

00:02:01.540 And this really got to me.

00:02:03.860 Because all cultural frameworks are a LARP.

00:02:07.860 You are always LARPing your culture.

00:02:09.880 When you are an ultra-Orthodox Jew and you are putting on your little outfit every day and 1.00

00:02:16.840 you are doing all of the cultural things that you do, what makes it a LARP?

00:02:23.240 It is live action and role play as being what you are that helps remind you of who you are.

00:02:31.580 Role playing as something that is differential from the mainstream societal expectations helps

00:02:38.060 you maintain a differential value set, which is what the trad families are often trying to do.

00:02:45.460 But at the same time as I talk about how great trad families are, I also want to talk about

00:02:52.660 this concept because I want to narrowly say this type of trad family is great.

00:02:57.260 But there's been something that's been talked about a lot recently, which is the trad wife

00:03:00.900 to single mom pipeline that recently happened with Laura Southern, quite famously.

00:03:05.420 And so the question is, why is this happening?

00:03:09.040 Why are these trad relationships not as stable as they were in a historic context in leading

00:03:16.560 to really negative outcomes, particularly for women?

00:03:20.640 This is where we're going to talk about trad wife is communism. 1.00

00:03:24.260 But we'll get to that later in the video.

00:03:26.220 But before I go further, I want to hear your thoughts on any of this.

00:03:28.660 Yeah, I've been watching a lot of the trad wife to single mom pipeline videos.

00:03:33.120 And my top observation so far is that people, even when we're talking about the 1950s trad wife,

00:03:40.180 which we still argue was a short term aberration and not at all representative true trad wifery.

00:03:46.920 They're not even modern trad wives aren't even being like 1950s trad wives. 0.61

00:03:51.480 I was watching Catch Me If You Can, and there's one episode or there's there's a scene in Catch

00:03:56.500 Me If You Can, in which Tom Hanks, the FBI agent trying to catch the character played by

00:04:03.100 Leonardo DiCaprio, who's this kid who essentially masquerades as a pilot and surgeon and commits

00:04:09.600 massive check fraud.

00:04:10.620 He's trying to explain to other FBI agents how check fraud works.

00:04:14.080 And the FBI agents are like, look, check numbers like you've got to talk to my wife about this. 0.57

00:04:20.440 She handles all my finances.

00:04:22.100 They're acting like finances are women's work. 1.00

00:04:25.040 And it really indicates just the extent to which when that traditional trad wife nuclear 1.00

00:04:30.160 family model was being used, women weren't just educating the kids, raising the kids, 1.00

00:04:35.580 managing the household, managing the cooking, managing the cleaning.

00:04:38.240 They were also managing the family finances.

00:04:40.360 They were managing investing.

00:04:41.760 They were managing the banking.

00:04:42.700 They were doing all the payments.

00:04:44.340 There was even this there's some great YouTube videos on the effect of housewives in Japan

00:04:49.240 investing in stock markets and the way that they influence stock market trends because

00:04:53.360 they were so actively involved in investing, even internationally, because at the time and

00:04:57.560 even still interest rates were so low, right, like saving wouldn't be enough.

00:05:01.120 So they had to invest actively.

00:05:02.840 And it was the women in these traditional relations who were investing. 1.00

00:05:07.000 And yet when you look at the way that women in the now modern, quote unquote, trad wife, 0.97

00:05:13.360 cosplay are behaving to them, it is just cooking and maybe light cleaning and maybe a little

00:05:22.140 bit of light child rearing.

00:05:23.360 It is not literally being pivotal to the life of the husband in terms of they don't have control

00:05:30.100 over the finances, for example.

00:05:31.920 Yeah.

00:05:32.060 Many women in these actually traditional relationships, even if you go back to the 1950s, their husbands

00:05:36.400 were living on an allowance that the wife was giving them along with the rest of the

00:05:39.940 family.

00:05:40.560 And we can say, why don't modern trad families structure themselves this way? 0.99

00:05:45.560 If this was a historic way of doing it within at least this cultural context.

00:05:48.800 And the answer is because so much of what the trad phenomenon has become, I would say, is 0.85

00:05:53.860 actually more of a descendant of BDSM community behavior.

00:05:58.840 Yes.

00:05:59.560 Than actual trad behavior.

00:06:01.360 A live in 24-7 slave relationship.

00:06:05.540 Little power exchange.

00:06:06.500 Yes.

00:06:06.800 Yeah.

00:06:07.020 Power, total power exchange relationship.

00:06:09.020 They have covered in the costume of traditionalism.

00:06:16.020 Actually, this reminds me of the episode we had where Simone was reading her diary of the

00:06:20.500 first day she met me and at the end, she's like, well, I guess I'm going to enter into

00:06:27.000 a dom-sub relationship because growing up in San Francisco, her being the submissive partner

00:06:35.000 in a male-female relationship, it didn't even occur to her that that's just the traditional 0.99

00:06:40.700 structure of a male-female relationship.

00:06:43.340 She's like, ah, yeah, this is a dom-sub relationship.

00:06:46.260 A live in 24-7 slave relationship.

00:06:50.200 They have covered in the costume of traditionalism and it is to, in an extent, to protect the

00:07:01.240 men's egos who are afraid of, I think rightly so for some reason, given divorce laws and

00:07:08.260 stuff like that today, giving women too much power in their lives. 1.00

00:07:10.880 But because of this, they're not able to have the type of romance and true partnership that

00:07:20.700 traditional families had.

00:07:22.600 It reminds me of a scene when I see these, like, this descendant of the red pills, oh, I'm

00:07:27.440 being so attractive to women when Gomez and Morticia are dancing and being, like, impossibly

00:07:33.080 romantic and the woman's there, like, looking at them, oh, I want this so bad.

00:07:36.780 And then her date, Bester, has two pretzels in his nose and is trying to impress her.

00:07:42.920 And that's what they come off like. 0.99

00:08:07.540 They come off like a silly goof who has no idea how to be romantic or what women really 1.00

00:08:13.220 want because they have based it all on these fantasies that are more downstream of BDSM 0.99

00:08:20.540 culture than they are downstream of any form of true traditionalism, which was a genuine

00:08:26.560 hundred percent power exchange partnership.

00:08:29.800 I think in many of these cases, one, it's women imposing themselves on their boyfriends, 1.00

00:08:34.780 fiancés, husbands, and the husbands and fiancés and boyfriends don't actually want all of

00:08:38.940 this.

00:08:39.640 And two, I think it's just people who are trophy wives who think that they're trad wives.

00:08:45.660 And that's the bigger thing.

00:08:46.540 A trophy wife is someone who only does maybe light cooking and cleaning and just is there 1.00

00:08:50.600 to look good.

00:08:51.320 And she is not someone who has any financial empowerment.

00:08:53.980 She is not someone who contributes functionally to the family, aside from an aesthetic contribution.

00:08:59.780 So I think there's just also this misconstruing or reframing of the trophy wife as the trad

00:09:05.180 wife.

00:09:05.600 Because by the way, no one really talks about trophy wives anymore, but trad wives have 1.00

00:09:10.020 slotted in to that position.

00:09:12.320 People are using it as a fronting device of, look at me, look at my lifestyle, but they're

00:09:19.340 a trad wife.

00:09:20.260 But here, I want to talk about what a trad wife actually is, right?

00:09:24.220 And where it actually works.

00:09:26.300 And this is where trad wives are communism comes from. 1.00

00:09:29.160 So what do I mean by trad wives are communism? 0.95

00:09:33.440 If you look at the communist ideal, it is from each according to their ability to each according

00:09:40.540 to their means, to each according to their needs.

00:09:44.720 And within a family structure, a trad family structure, that is generally what you were 0.98

00:09:51.800 doing.

00:09:52.360 You would have, for example, our kids don't pay rent.

00:09:57.180 Like our infant, we give it food because it needs food.

00:10:01.080 Simone produces that food because she has the body that has the ability to produce that 1.00

00:10:06.160 food.

00:10:06.740 I don't because I recognize that males and females are different.

00:10:10.960 And that means that biologically, we are in some ways structured for different roles within

00:10:17.380 the family.

00:10:18.460 However, those roles are not hard set.

00:10:21.020 They have some degree of flexibility within them.

00:10:23.680 And that the way that you utilize those bodies and natural differences is going to change as

00:10:31.620 technology changes, as economics changes, as society changes.

00:10:36.060 But it still follows the traditional system of to each according to their needs, from each

00:10:42.960 according to their abilities.

00:10:43.860 Which can lead to some role specialization, but role specialization does not mean...

00:10:50.740 So if you look at what happened with Laura Southern, where you would get the husband talking

00:10:55.540 about her and saying that she was a financial burden after he had asked her to quit her job

00:10:59.920 to be a full-time stay-at-home wife. 1.00

00:11:02.840 How can you say that to your wife?

00:11:04.740 You don't get to say that if you have demanded these sorts of sacrifices as the head of the

00:11:09.300 household.

00:11:09.620 And of course, a woman in a modern context is going to go a bit crazy if she's at home 1.00

00:11:14.760 doing nothing but the kids without any sort of a social outlet like you would have had

00:11:20.680 in a historic context, which all women had in a historic context about where they often 0.97

00:11:24.620 participated in some form of small level industry to provide additional side income from the

00:11:30.740 family.

00:11:31.140 And as you mentioned, often quite intellectual tasks like investing family income, managing

00:11:36.640 the family estate when the husband was off, or just generally managing the family estate

00:11:41.480 was off in a wife's role, which is often an income generator in a historic context. 0.99

00:11:47.200 And so what is a family estate within the modern world?

00:11:50.280 Maybe it's the family social media.

00:11:52.380 Maybe it's the...

00:11:53.140 People always are like, ooh, they share a Twitter account.

00:11:55.780 One of them must have cheated.

00:11:57.060 And I'm like, no, it's just incredibly inefficient in terms of time spent and in terms of where

00:12:02.960 we can direct attention to us to redirect it all to a central account.

00:12:07.800 Like, why would we have two accounts?

00:12:09.380 It's like, what?

00:12:10.900 Such a wasted effort.

00:12:12.600 So what?

00:12:13.140 We can have some form of conflict so I can troll.

00:12:16.260 Going into Twitter voluntarily reminds me of the tunnel of prejudice from that old South

00:12:23.400 Park episode.

00:12:24.040 And I can only imagine the people who love being on Twitter having, like, Cartman's reaction

00:12:32.580 to that tunnel.

00:12:33.600 Now, did you know that words we use can show intolerance?

00:12:36.820 Let's begin our tour with a walk through our tunnel of prejudice.

00:12:42.700 Queer. 0.99

00:12:44.440 Boehner.

00:12:45.960 Chink. 1.00

00:12:47.360 Nigger. 1.00

00:12:48.680 Hebe. 1.00

00:12:50.360 Faggot. 1.00

00:12:51.480 Cracker. 1.00

00:12:51.920 Oh, man, this is awesome.

00:12:55.640 Now you know how it feels.

00:12:57.860 I want to ride again.

00:12:58.760 I want to ride again.

00:12:59.780 I get why they're like, somebody's cheating, because I guess if I wanted to cheat, that would

00:13:03.320 be an avenue for doing it. 0.96

00:13:04.840 But that's so silly.

00:13:05.900 I, yeah. 0.88

00:13:06.960 So I think that's it.

00:13:07.720 But then I also want to talk about where Tradwives went off the rails, because this 0.58

00:13:11.920 is another thing that happened to Laura Southern with these incredibly strict roles, which 1.00

00:13:15.960 partially led to the breakdown of her relationship. 0.73

00:13:17.760 And in the traditional American family, the roles just were not that strict.

00:13:23.980 The idea of every meal is made by a wife was never really the norm in American culture. 1.00

00:13:31.040 It was when the wife didn't have another job, she might make disproportionately more meals, 1.00

00:13:38.020 but not every meal.

00:13:39.600 But some Tradwives have taken these roles to be like incredibly strict roles. 1.00

00:13:48.480 And because of that, you get these market inefficiencies, just like you would in an overly

00:13:55.640 totalitarian, like command economy communism.

00:13:58.280 The reason why communism works at the family level is because it's organic communism instead

00:14:02.980 of command economy communism.

00:14:05.020 So if people don't understand what I mean by these two things, in command economy communism,

00:14:09.560 everybody has strict roles, and they just perform their strict roles.

00:14:12.300 And then often you have some hierarchy where the person at the top of the hierarchy basically

00:14:16.120 creates all the roles and says, you do this, right?

00:14:18.700 But this doesn't work because it's incredibly inefficient.

00:14:20.940 In an organically formed economy, you instead have people take on the roles that they are

00:14:27.400 best suited for in the moment.

00:14:29.140 When you're dealing with an entire society, capitalism is a good way to organically create

00:14:33.020 that action.

00:14:33.940 But if you are dealing with a household, for example, where everybody genuinely cares about

00:14:39.680 and appreciates each other, I, for example, walking around the house, I know that right now

00:14:44.140 it hurts Simone to bend over because she recently had a cesarean section. 1.00

00:14:47.460 And so I try to pick up things on the floor whenever I see them.

00:14:53.480 And why do I do that?

00:14:55.920 It's because I care about my wife.

00:14:58.300 They're like, why would you do that?

00:14:59.420 Because it's easier for me than it is for her.

00:15:02.120 And then they're like, yeah, but then why do you do it?

00:15:03.720 It's because I care about her.

00:15:04.840 And because she shows appreciation for me when I do it.

00:15:07.300 You all the time tell me, oh, I noticed you did this little thing that you didn't,

00:15:10.940 that I might not have noticed.

00:15:11.940 And you didn't ask for thanks for, and for that, I am additionally appreciative of you

00:15:16.000 doing it.

00:15:17.180 And that is organic communism, where everyone is choosing to do what's right because they

00:15:22.760 care about the other people.

00:15:23.860 It's also-

00:15:24.400 And not because it's their job, per se, but because they, it's that rule of, if you

00:15:29.020 see a mess, you clean it up.

00:15:30.180 It doesn't matter if you made it.

00:15:31.240 Yeah, but this is also why communism doesn't work at the societal level, because you get

00:15:35.160 the free rider problem.

00:15:36.700 And because people don't, a lot of people hate other people in their society.

00:15:40.460 So then you need to build it into a command economy, which leads to the collapse. 0.99

00:15:43.700 But they are building family structures as command economies, which is just stupid. 0.98

00:15:49.960 And you could say, then why have they done this? 0.97

00:15:52.420 It's not just the BDSM, it's the consumerization of the concept of the trad wife.

00:15:58.980 So let me explain.

00:16:00.220 Yeah, intriguing.

00:16:01.240 You have learned about what a trad wife is from TikTok, what the idealized trad wife 0.98

00:16:08.400 is from TikTok, from Instagram, from, not even from 1950s movies.

00:16:13.060 It's some vague concept you have of the way things were in the 1950s, then through modern

00:16:18.060 bastardization, elevated within these various social media platforms.

00:16:23.540 Everything that you see within those social media platforms is served to you because an

00:16:29.240 algorithm said it needed to be served to you.

00:16:33.320 Okay?

00:16:34.240 So if you are seeing it, you are seeing it because the algorithm says, hey, I think that

00:16:40.140 you are going to engage with this content.

00:16:41.960 And yeah, that is a product.

00:16:45.120 That is a product that is being served to you because it knows that you like to interact

00:16:49.820 with that brief second clip of somebody's life.

00:16:53.140 But that means that the trad wife TikTokers and Tumblers and YouTubers that you are seeing are to a traditional 1.00

00:17:02.800 relationship what hardcore porn is to a real sexual relationship with a woman. 0.97

00:17:09.040 It is a consumerized format meant to masturbate a specific subset of your sort of mental landscape.

00:17:20.160 It is not really what it is like to be in that sort of a relationship.

00:17:25.800 But do you have thoughts on this, Simone?

00:17:27.380 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:17:30.760 There's nothing real about it.

00:17:32.400 Obviously, it works in isolated cases, but it's not in most realities a sustainable way to go.

00:17:39.860 And it's not representative of any long-term reality that I've ever encountered.

00:17:45.580 Yeah.

00:17:46.100 Okay.

00:17:46.320 So now we can talk about why traditional relationships of this, I'll call them BDSM trad wives, 0.99

00:17:51.680 because they're not real trad wives, they're BDSM trad wives, where the woman's just submissive in 1.00

00:17:56.280 all things to the man.

00:17:57.880 That is not the way American culture worked historically.

00:18:02.600 Maybe, as I've said, maybe some Muslim cultures were structured that way, but not classic American 0.78

00:18:08.180 culture.

00:18:08.840 No.

00:18:09.080 Not even read about relationships from like the old west time period.

00:18:12.260 Like again, for example, I read about my ancestor who lived during that time period,

00:18:17.240 and you didn't see that at all in his relationship.

00:18:19.780 It's very clear that if a man had treated his wife that way in his writings, he would have 0.54

00:18:25.700 looked down upon them and seen them as both low-class and pathetic, because that is traditional 0.98

00:18:30.920 to Americana. 0.96

00:18:31.700 Like treating a woman poorly or treating her as like your slave is not a positive thing.

00:18:38.240 This, you could say, why is this creating a fundamentally unstable dynamic?

00:18:41.700 The way that divorce laws are structured in our country, if you treat a woman in a way that 0.93

00:18:48.320 builds animosity towards you, which how could this not over time, you don't actually legally

00:18:55.900 have power over them.

00:18:56.940 Even if you have a prenup in the US, the laws hugely favor the woman. 0.99

00:19:01.200 If she doesn't have a degree of genuine admiration for you, and on top of that genuine admiration,

00:19:06.920 genuine affection for you, then it's like a slave that always has a poisoned knife to your 0.76

00:19:13.140 neck.

00:19:18.460 The dynamics in that relationship are not the dynamics that you are pretending they are.

00:19:25.140 It is completely, and this is where the LARP accusation is true, it is completely a roleplay

00:19:32.660 in that you do not actually have the power over this person you are pretending to yourself that

00:19:38.560 you have.

00:19:39.060 They can take half of your money and then take a portion of your salary for basically

00:19:44.720 the rest of your life, and you will have to support them while they do whatever they

00:19:48.220 want.

00:19:49.000 And so that creates a hugely unstable dynamic, and society won't hugely punish them for that.

00:19:54.520 They might have trouble securing another partner after that, but they won't realize that

00:19:58.200 until after they've enacted upon this.

00:20:00.560 And so then most of you just live miserably. 0.93

00:20:02.740 Enjoy your horrible lives alone.

00:20:05.620 Which is not a great thing, but society, when you believe a consumerist fantasy, and you

00:20:13.740 confuse a consumerist fantasy with a call to action, you can end up making horrifically

00:20:21.440 wrong choices.

00:20:23.060 And do people deserve this?

00:20:24.740 I don't know.

00:20:25.380 Now, I say all this with the understanding that there is a real thing you can search for

00:20:32.700 out there.

00:20:33.120 There is a real traditional relationship structure, but it is a relationship structure that is

00:20:38.540 based on mutual affection and romance and caring, and not these little games and stuff

00:20:45.060 like that.

00:20:46.420 I think what's so dangerous is what used to happen in the past is, one, humans are not

00:20:51.820 great at thinking from a first principles perspective.

00:20:55.220 You are unique in having this ability, Malcolm.

00:20:57.820 I think the bigger issue is that what most humans do and have done throughout history

00:21:02.400 is they are presented with examples that they're exposed to throughout their lives, and then

00:21:07.760 they follow the example that works best for them.

00:21:09.960 So they may see a couple of different ways of living, and then they choose the way of living

00:21:13.940 that is feasible and appealing to them.

00:21:16.240 And what's problematic about the TradWife pipeline is that, as you're saying, it's this consumerist

00:21:24.520 fantasy that's not real, that's not sustainable, but it is what is showing up in people's lives.

00:21:29.540 And people aren't really being exposed to that many functional relationships or that many,

00:21:34.240 you could say, traditional or comforting or alternative to the modern kind of soulless relationship

00:21:41.740 where everyone just has their atomized life and doesn't really have an integrated marriage

00:21:47.020 that's very romantic, that's very supportive, mutually supportive.

00:21:50.780 And then they see this, and they assume that then this is how it's going to work.

00:21:54.520 So I don't think people are intentionally trying to choose something uniquely indulgent or fetishized

00:22:01.200 or whatever.

00:22:01.680 They just don't, they don't have any examples of what real trad relationships are outside of

00:22:10.760 some examples, which do exist in media, but just aren't framed really clearly as relationships.

00:22:15.860 There are shows, for example, where couples work together, but the shows don't really highlight

00:22:21.660 the good elements of their relationship.

00:22:23.780 They like to highlight the conflict or pretend that there's conflict or focus on other things,

00:22:29.240 but they don't really show the real thing.

00:22:32.980 So I think a lot of it comes down to people just not having good examples to run by, not

00:22:36.780 any good models being out there.

00:22:39.020 Yeah.

00:22:40.160 Yeah, I think that makes sense.

00:22:45.280 Yeah, and I don't know.

00:22:48.660 And I wonder, okay, so why do people not have good models?

00:22:51.920 I think one of the problems that people have is they blame too much of our culture's, like,

00:22:57.760 fracturization on this generation.

00:23:02.260 Which generation?

00:23:03.680 Millennials?

00:23:04.300 Alpha?

00:23:04.660 Our generation, Gen Z, Gen Alpha.

00:23:07.360 When I really put it mostly on boomers, boomers were the ones who did all that experimental 0.99

00:23:14.080 stuff in the 70s and then ended up in these loveless relationships.

00:23:17.560 If you look at the divorce rate within boomers, it's astoundingly high compared to every other

00:23:21.140 generation.

00:23:22.140 This is where you get this, like, 50% divorce stat, which isn't representative of modern marriage

00:23:26.280 at all.

00:23:27.240 And it is that they were the first generation that, like, collectively decided to live lives

00:23:35.020 of hedonism instead of for the future.

00:23:37.880 Yeah.

00:23:38.600 And I think that you look at them, this is why I actually think American Psycho is such

00:23:42.600 a good movie in terms of depicting, like, what happened to the boomers.

00:23:46.660 I think American Psycho shows what the boomers did to themselves. 1.00

00:23:50.680 I know so few happy boomers in terms of the people I know. 0.91

00:23:54.880 And it's because they structured their lives in these horrible ways in which they broke

00:23:59.440 from tradition, but they didn't think about what they were doing.

00:24:02.320 And so much of it was self-indulgent.

00:24:04.440 And then the younger generation sees that things didn't work for them or is a few generations

00:24:10.940 away from any cultural solution that really works.

00:24:13.780 And so they're trying to reconstruct what a healthy culture looks like from, unfortunately,

00:24:20.320 in a world where information and lifestyles themselves have become consumerized from what

00:24:26.020 is essentially pornography.

00:24:28.240 And because of that, they end up crafting.

00:24:32.220 And then people like us will say this and they're like, then you're not right wing enough

00:24:36.080 because they begin to develop parts of their identity.

00:24:38.320 They're like, if you don't take this extremist view of what a trad wife is or a traditional 0.94

00:24:42.360 family structure is, then that means you are less right wing than me and thus lower status

00:24:47.260 within right wing communities than me. 1.00

00:24:49.700 And basically the response to that is, bro, are you like an idiot? 1.00

00:24:53.980 Do you not see that you're destroying your life by choosing a stupid family structure that 1.00

00:25:00.280 never worked if you are looking at this from reality? 1.00

00:25:02.940 We're not looking at this from a right wing versus non right wing perspective.

00:25:06.100 We're like, what's a good way to structure your life so that you end up satisfied was what

00:25:10.560 you end up creating and you actually secure a partner and you give your kids a good childhood

00:25:15.100 and blah, blah, blah.

00:25:16.080 And these structures that they're building do not do that.

00:25:19.760 And they're, and yet they do that.

00:25:21.880 They follow these structures in these hypotheses that are easily disprovable if they search

00:25:26.400 out people who actually attempted to live these ultra originally structured systems outside

00:25:31.540 of ultra religious context.

00:25:33.100 So I guess it can work if you're in like an extremist evangelical family or an extremist

00:25:38.600 Haridi family or something like that.

00:25:40.520 Okay.

00:25:40.700 That can work.

00:25:41.260 Or like an Amish family that can work. 0.95

00:25:43.560 But when you're trying to live adjacent to the secular world, it just doesn't work because

00:25:49.520 there is no negative externality for the fracturing of the relationship, which leads to the fracturing

00:25:54.180 of a relationship and then a woman without any skills. 0.73

00:25:56.460 And then, yeah, it's not awesome.

00:25:59.860 The audience has been forewarned.

00:26:04.000 All right.

00:26:04.700 I love you, Simone.

00:26:05.740 Have a spectacular day.

00:26:07.600 I love you, too.

Based Camp - May 20, 2024

Did Tradwives Evolve Out of BDSM？

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