Based Camp - Do Asians Have 'Arctic Instincts'？ Exploring The New Theory

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be with you today. Today, we are going to be going over an article

00:00:06.780 called Arctic Instincts by David Sun, which covers how Asians adapted to their local climate or

00:00:14.300 Asians did in terms of psychologically and in terms of other capacities. It's a spicy article. 0.99

00:00:22.580 The guy who wrote it is Asian. So I don't know, I guess that can... 0.99

00:00:27.020 He gets a free pass?

00:00:28.060 You know, he was interested in studying, like, why are his people different from other people?

00:00:32.240 Like, because... And specifically in the context of why are they different from other people in ways

00:00:36.520 that Native Americans are also different from other people, because they're closely related genetic

00:00:40.200 groups.

00:00:40.620 Yeah, though, of course, implied differences on its own is terribly dangerous. So I get the

00:00:46.700 controversy.

00:00:48.600 The paper has this big part at the beginning, which I'm taking out, where he's explaining that,

00:00:52.340 you know, he's been in academia for a while, and he's been working on this for a while,

00:00:55.300 and he hasn't been able to publish it, because he's afraid of losing his job. But now we're in,

00:00:59.480 you know, the new era, blah, blah, blah. And so it was in Aporia, obviously. Great paper.

00:01:03.920 So let's go for it.

00:01:05.360 All right.

00:01:06.720 My paper falls within the discipline of cultural psychology, which seeks to understand people's

00:01:11.540 culture and personality by examining the socio-ecological factors that they experienced

00:01:16.600 over the past 10,000 years. Many interesting findings have already been made. As recent literature

00:01:21.900 review documents, population density predicts collectivism, tightness and future orientation,

00:01:28.580 and frontier regions are characterized by individualism and high agency.

00:01:33.560 So let's unpack every one of those. If historically, over the past 10 years, an area was

00:01:38.480 really heavily populated, it is going to be more collectivistic, and people who are from that

00:01:44.300 genetic population are going to be more collectivistic. They would have, of course, 0.99

00:01:47.560 succeeded at a higher rate was in a dense area. So what regions would that be? Just, you know,

00:01:52.120 off the top of your head, you're probably thinking India, China. And then he's like, okay,

00:01:56.160 and then you have the frontier regions, which are more associated with individualism and high agency.

00:02:02.660 What are the, like, the biggest frontier area is obviously going to be the American West.

00:02:07.920 Oh, I was thinking like Mongolia, but sure. I mean, I think like Asian populations have seen a lot

00:02:12.240 of both, which is interesting, but go ahead. Yeah, well, no, Mongolia wouldn't really be,

00:02:18.580 I mean, I can look at the way the paper looks at it. But if you're looking at selective pressures,

00:02:22.940 the frontier regions that are opt-in frontier regions, rather than frontier regions you're

00:02:27.300 just born into, are going to have a much higher genetic effect. Because if you talk about the

00:02:33.200 American West, the reason why it's selected for individualism and agency at such a high level

00:02:37.460 is first to immigrate to the United States to begin with the population group, you have to have 1.00

00:02:42.860 very high levels of, you know, agency. It's a very big decision. It's a very risky decision.

00:02:48.580 And then these visions sorted for people who immigrated over and then likely in multiple

00:02:53.260 waves over multiple generations kept moving further West. Like, okay, well, we're in Boston now,

00:02:58.980 but I don't like this. It's still too civilization. Let's go.

00:03:01.500 Too many people.

00:03:02.280 Let's go to the mountains of the Appalachians. Okay. Okay. I like it here. Oh,

00:03:07.460 no. Too many people are coming. Let's go further. Let's go all the way out to, you know,

00:03:12.800 so it makes sense. And it also makes sense why that would give these regions some economic

00:03:18.980 advantage over sort of global economies because agency, like there was one thing that you really

00:03:23.320 pointed out to me recently, which is if you're talking about social status in the existing system,

00:03:28.500 like global system, the one that we're entering into, at least it just seems to be a combination

00:03:33.200 of IQ and agency and being agentic. And that that's why it's so important because you can't

00:03:39.360 influence your kid's IQ that much, but you can, I believe, influence their level of agency.

00:03:43.720 100%. Though I'm sure there are genetic components there as well.

00:03:46.600 No, I mean, this, this is documenting that there's genetic components and so what selects for them?

00:03:50.340 Um, I don't know. Tightness and future orientation is interesting, but that's what you get in terms of

00:03:55.540 heavily dense areas. Yeah. I don't, what does tightness mean in this context?

00:04:00.100 Tightness? Rigidity? Maybe the closeness of social relations? How internet a society is?

00:04:07.240 All right. So tightness refers to the degree to which a society has strict social norms.

00:04:12.580 Oh.

00:04:13.660 Tolerance for deviation in behavior. In a tight culture, there are strong social norms and

00:04:17.980 little tolerance for behavior that deviates from these norms. Rules tend to be clearly defined and

00:04:23.660 strictly enforced. There's a greater emphasis on conformity and social order. Punishment for

00:04:27.880 violating norms is typically more severe. So these are in areas that are more populated,

00:04:32.480 makes sense that you would need stronger social cohesion in a place that's more populated.

00:04:36.580 And you have more diversity in a place that's less populated. Future orientation refers to the

00:04:41.360 extent of cultural emphasizes planning for the future rather than focusing on immediate outcomes.

00:04:45.180 High future orientation involves delaying gratification, prioritizing long-term planning

00:04:48.880 and investment, emphasizing saving rather than immediate consumption, and valuing preparation

00:04:54.040 and prevention. Interesting. Interesting. So let's keep going here. Oh, by the way, the paper that he

00:05:02.400 is read for thing, if anyone wants to look it up, is a sociological genetic framework of culture,

00:05:06.940 personality, their roots, trends, and interplay. And then he's saying frontier regions also have

00:05:14.060 passage in prevalence predicts... Oh, sorry. And that then passage in prevalence in a region over the past

00:05:20.120 10,000 years predicts collectivism, rice farming, and is associated with tightness and higher nepotism.

00:05:25.820 Hmm. Very interesting. You'd higher nepotism in those regions. I suspect it's also highly passage

00:05:31.520 in prevalence would be highly tied to population as well. So it's probably also tied to the high

00:05:36.040 population regions. Yeah, that makes sense. The exact mechanisms by which sociological effects,

00:05:42.740 culture, and personality are not always clear. They may be purely cultural. They may result from

00:05:47.760 selective migration. They may be the product of natural selection acting on genes, or they may represent

00:05:53.200 some mix, as in gene-cultural co-evolution. However, humans did not parachute into their

00:05:58.680 various homelands precisely 10,000 years ago. The 60,000-year migratory period that began when

00:06:04.500 humans left Africa has been assorably neglected in human psychology. Ancient Siberian extreme cold

00:06:11.540 adaptation is already frequently invoked to explain East Asian genomics and physiology. I therefore

00:06:17.540 examine whether it could explain their culture and personality, and I found that it could. My paper documents

00:06:22.700 that, in terms of psychology, East Asians bear a striking resemblance to indigenous Inuit and

00:06:27.600 Siberians. All three groups exhibit high emotional suppression, in-group cohesion, unassertiveness, 0.57

00:06:34.520 introversion, indirectness, self-consciousness, self-sensitivity, cautiousness, perseverance,

00:06:41.540 and video-spatial abilities. Crates that would have enhanced their ancestors' survival in the

00:06:46.880 unforgiving environment of Ice Age Siberia.

00:06:49.100 No, these are not the things I would invest in in a post-AI age, so this is making me nervous.

00:06:55.400 Yeah, that's a really good point. A lot of these mismatches. Well, I mean, high emotional

00:06:59.980 suppression should be generally a useful thing, if you're able to do it.

00:07:03.880 Yeah, I would say in general, it's highly adaptive.

00:07:06.120 Yeah, that's the one thing, for sure.

00:07:08.420 But outside of that, and keep in mind, they would have lower agentic-ness due to the other things he was

00:07:14.040 mentioning. That is not great for a post-AI age. Like, cautiousness and unassertiveness,

00:07:22.840 slash introversion, indirectness, self-consciousness. Again, and I also would say-

00:07:26.680 I mean, I think introversion doesn't help or hurt in an AI age, because I think extroversion actually

00:07:31.580 is really for a pre-AI age. You need autistic, special interest, lopsided geniuses in a post-AI age

00:07:40.060 who are very highly agentic and take a lot of initiative. Maybe a lot of that can be trained,

00:07:44.620 like, to your point, right? This is also a population that, on average, is known for higher

00:07:48.820 levels of intelligence, at least in some domains. So maybe they can leverage that, which is more,

00:07:54.760 we would posit genetic and teach more agentic behavior and patterns.

00:08:00.120 Yeah, and I would say that these stereotypes that he's pulling up here fit my lived experience of

00:08:06.140 interacting with various ethnic groups. So I don't think that he's wrong to make these assertions.

00:08:11.680 And again, he is Asian, making these assertions about Asians. I particularly note the unassertiveness. 0.92

00:08:17.980 I've mentioned before, but I can think of very few Asians I know who like arguing for the sake of 1.00

00:08:22.640 arguing, which is rare in our social circles, because most people in, like, conservative intellectual

00:08:28.920 social circles like arguing for the sake of arguing.

00:08:31.080 Brian Chow.

00:08:32.540 Brian Chow does not like arguing for the sake of arguing. I've never-

00:08:35.160 He loves debating. He loves bringing up subjects. He loves talking about controversial things.

00:08:40.200 What's the difference between that and arguing?

00:08:42.040 That's very different than, like, okay, think of, like, the way a Jewish person would debate, 0.81

00:08:46.300 where they, like, really want to persuade you of their perspective.

00:08:50.280 Like-

00:08:50.660 Oh, like, winning for them matters. Whereas, like, Brian is just expressing the truth as he says it.

00:08:57.520 Brian is expressing the truth, and he finds it odd that you don't see the truth. 1.00

00:09:02.600 Yeah, like, what are you missing, you sad idiot? Versus, like, I've got to convince- 1.00

00:09:07.620 Oh, that's interesting.

00:09:09.540 He does- I mean, not in a derogatory way, but definitely-

00:09:11.960 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:09:12.840 But definitely the weight when he is- has a difference of opinion is very different than

00:09:18.660 the way that Jews or Catholics, when they debate, have differences of opinion when I think

00:09:24.120 about these groups.

00:09:24.880 Huh.

00:09:25.480 Yeah.

00:09:26.640 And not that Asians can't be Catholics. I'm just, you know, thinking here the way that

00:09:31.080 I, like, subdivide populations, because we argue, as anyone who reads this podcast, that

00:09:35.320 this past, like, I'd say 500 years of someone's evolutionary history is way more important than

00:09:42.880 the-

00:09:43.140 Previous 20,000 years?

00:09:44.720 Than the previous 20,000 years, or 67 years.

00:09:47.620 Right, because, I mean, small bottlenecks and evolutionary pressures can make a huge difference.

00:09:53.680 I mean, you could have, you know, huge, huge swaths of a population die off just to-

00:09:57.820 I mean, who knows how different the European population is post-plague?

00:10:02.140 Like, who knows what other traits got wiped out with susceptibility to the plague?

00:10:06.380 Yeah.

00:10:06.620 And who knows what traits got suddenly skyrocketed because they correlated with whatever it was

00:10:12.700 that made some people immune? So, yeah.

00:10:14.780 Yeah. Yeah. Well, and this is why when I'm looking at genetic groups, I typically do not

00:10:19.680 look at ethnicities, but I look at religions, because I think that they're more predictive 0.98

00:10:23.360 of personality. And, yeah, that's just where I disagree with this, but I do agree with

00:10:30.040 everything he's saying here, and I think it works. And with Asian populations, they haven't 1.00

00:10:33.340 been susceptible to multiple religious frameworks that genetically isolated them in the same way

00:10:37.640 Europeans have. So, there isn't a reason to-

00:10:41.200 Anyway. My paper documents that in terms of psychology-

00:10:46.100 Oh, no. I already read that. Okay. My paper also documents that Arctic environments

00:10:49.940 necessitate these very traits in polar workers and expeditioners. Scouting the literature on

00:10:55.980 personal psychology revealed that the relevant traits are so consistently predictive of success

00:11:01.040 in polar environments that they have been refined into the personal selection criteria

00:11:04.740 for many countries' polar research programs. Here we see human selection conveniently mirroring

00:11:10.220 natural selection. That's really fascinating.

00:11:12.540 Wow.

00:11:13.020 What are polar environments like? Basically, all the threats that the typical hunter-gatherers face

00:11:18.460 are exacerbated in the Arctic, where the average temperature is leacely cold, the visual landscape

00:11:23.980 is blank and featureless, the ecology is devoid of vegetation, and where the ground might suddenly

00:11:28.620 collapse underneath you or drift away via ice flow. Mistakes are very severely punished by the

00:11:33.680 environment. Meanwhile, poor visuospatial ability, lack of group cohesion, or reckless emotional

00:11:38.960 behavior can be instantly fatal for the group. You know, it's interesting that he notes the

00:11:44.800 reckless emotional behavior, because in Arctic communities, there was this form of madness where 0.95

00:11:50.700 people would like- and this was an Inuit community specifically, so like these ethnic groups,

00:11:55.260 where people would like freak out and like start murdering people or like-

00:11:58.300 What?

00:11:58.800 Screaming or like-

00:11:59.960 Really? Where did you hear about- I've never heard of this before. This is crazy.

00:12:03.680 Yeah, it's a study-

00:12:05.080 Is it like cabin fever, essentially?

00:12:07.780 Yeah, it's a culture-bound cabin fever unique to these regions. I collected in an episode I was

00:12:13.300 going to do on cultural-bound illnesses.

00:12:15.580 Did it happen like during the darkest parts of the winter when people are really, really,

00:12:19.900 really stuck inside?

00:12:20.580 No, what's interesting about it is we're not sure if it's a real behavior or it was something

00:12:24.120 that was being caused by the researchers in some way.

00:12:26.700 Oh, wow. Like a- right, like fan death and penis stealing where people- it was like a shared 0.96

00:12:31.940 delusion that because people said it was real, it became real?

00:12:34.960 Yeah, the researchers somehow made it real for short periods of time where data was being

00:12:39.840 collected.

00:12:40.440 I see. Okay. Wow. That's wild. Terrifying.

00:12:44.980 Frequent blizzards and lethal windstorms necessitate prolonged group confinement, traditionally in

00:12:50.760 igloos or tents, now in small, smaller stations. Indoor adaptive changes include staying emotionally

00:12:57.420 stable, controlling aggressive impulses, and being able to complete complex tasks in extremely

00:13:02.440 adverse conditions. As evacuation is not possible during deep winter, and social expulsion into

00:13:08.200 the outdoors is fatal. A recent news story about a South African scientist trapped in Antarctica

00:13:13.220 with a violent team member illustrates the importance of adaptive traits it listed earlier.

00:13:17.940 Oh, gosh. Nightmare scenario. I was just thinking about this documentary that I watched

00:13:22.760 on giving birth in these environments, which, oh my gosh, no, but bad.

00:13:28.320 Think about it. Think about like the argument trait I was just noticing before.

00:13:32.780 Right.

00:13:33.520 Not getting into heated arguments with people is going to be-

00:13:36.640 Yeah, being very avoidant with arguments. Let's go.

00:13:38.580 It's going to be very important if you're in an environment like this where being expelled 0.68

00:13:42.860 gets you killed. Same with being, you know, not aggressive or not overly pushy about your

00:13:48.560 opinions or perspectives, which I hadn't considered, but he's absolutely right. That would have had

00:13:53.340 a really strong genetic effect. Anyone who at any point during the winter pissed off anyone

00:13:59.100 enough that they needed to be in two separate rooms was removed from the gene pool.

00:14:02.400 Yeah, because it was just that deadly in those close quarters with nowhere to run or hide.

00:14:10.200 I guess in a temperate climate, even if your entire tribe kicked you out, you could theoretically

00:14:14.480 survive foraging and hunting and fishing. Not here.

00:14:20.600 Yeah. Those traits which are shared by East Asians and the Inuit and polar workers of all ethnicities 0.96

00:14:27.340 appear to be critical for staying alive and accomplishing tasks in the harsh Arctic environments.

00:14:32.360 This provided the basis for a parsimonious

00:14:34.640 Arcticism theory of East Asian psychology, which positives that psychological adaptations to Ice Age

00:14:41.140 Siberia predate and likely influence later ideologies like Confucianism.

00:14:45.560 And so here he has like a little chart where he shows how this works. And he's like, oh, oh,

00:14:51.120 a, I don't know what that's, oh, out of Africa. And then you have the Arabian standstill. So the 0.93

00:14:55.320 southern root, tropical South Asia and subtropical East Asia and the temperate mixed range Eurasia

00:15:00.580 pre-LGM mammoth step. And then you have this period here where they antagonized by Inuit

00:15:07.480 replicated in modern polar person. Sorry, not antagonized. Analogized by Inuit and replicated

00:15:13.780 in modern polar personnel, intensified harmony and cohesion, emotional suppression, perseverance,

00:15:18.800 multi-crop rice farming and agricultural Japanese natural disasters, further intensifies

00:15:24.640 collectivism. Xi Zhang, Su Zhou's dynasty's values, Confucianism. You get harmony, cohesion,

00:15:31.600 emotional suppression, perseverance. And then you have Taoism, Shintoism, Tengrenism, Korean

00:15:36.880 Shamanism, Holism, Animism, Harmony, Balance values. Interesting. 0.86

00:15:43.220 Anything you want to say before I go further? No, I want to hear more.

00:15:50.180 Arctism theory has already yielded some successful predictions, such as the observation that East

00:15:56.360 Asian polar explorers have had an easier time and are more psychologically stable than their 0.98

00:16:01.360 North American counterparts. Oh, really? Like someone systematically measured this? And

00:16:05.280 how do you even measure it? Like number of discoveries, progress made before they die?

00:16:09.100 There was a study called Psychological Adjustment During Three Japanese Antarctic Research Expeditions.

00:16:14.140 Okay.

00:16:15.960 That's really interesting. Yeah, I mean, you only hear the documentaries about

00:16:19.660 English guys for the most part, but I guess that's because we're...

00:16:23.280 They say the psychological profile of the subjects was relatively stable and comparable

00:16:27.680 to the standard means of Western sojourners. The results showed the subjects were generally high

00:16:32.300 in stress resistance. I don't know, pretty much anyone who opts into that, I feel like the selective

00:16:36.320 pressures of just being an Arctic researcher going to select for people who are very rugged

00:16:41.340 and patient. Was saying that they were relatively more so than the Westerners who did the same

00:16:46.460 thing. Anyway, another successful prediction is that in Singapore, East Asians have significantly 0.99

00:16:56.260 lower rates of claustrophobia than South and Southeast Asians when accounting for national culture

00:17:01.880 and farming ancestry. That's so interesting. So this whole shoving people onto the peak commute

00:17:09.980 hour subway in Japan thing, I mean, they were designed for it. That was what happened. 0.68

00:17:16.960 Yeah. It's a funny, it's an interesting point that you make. Actually, oh, hold on. Side theory.

00:17:23.280 Side theory here. It goes urbanization because of these traits happened at a much higher rate in these

00:17:31.200 cultures. Oh, like they just didn't viscerally feel uncomfortable with it. So they weren't,

00:17:36.220 they didn't need to spread out as much because they weren't. They didn't need to spread out,

00:17:39.180 which allowed for these ultra dense cities. Because I was just thinking like, I think most

00:17:43.240 Westerners, if they were like in one of those trains where like everybody's like crowded and

00:17:46.940 shoved on. Yeah, one of those micro apartments, you've seen them in Tokyo and Beijing.

00:17:51.320 I'm just thinking the trains themselves, most Westerners would just be like, I need to get out of 1.00

00:17:55.420 here. Like I can't do this. And, and when I think about the regions of the world where you see

00:18:00.380 these ultra dense trains, like you see this in India, you know, those pictures you see of India

00:18:04.460 where it's like people like hang. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. They are from areas that had really high

00:18:10.340 population density and potentially went through an Arctic period in their, in their migratory

00:18:17.260 patterns. I don't know if Indians did, did they? No, not at all. So what's up? I mean, 1.00

00:18:23.720 just must be the totally separate evolutionary pressures, but yeah, I wonder what drove population

00:18:29.520 density in India where it's not necessarily then that must have, right? I mean, there's

00:18:36.340 Yeah. Well, I mean, Indian populations have been really heavily influenced by the caste system.

00:18:43.280 They are due to the caste system as genetically different from each other as people from like 1.00

00:18:48.460 Denmark are from people from Greece. And to be clear, like that's really big genetic difference.

00:18:54.700 Like even at the sociological level for people who have done much traveling in those two countries,

00:18:58.660 the Greek have a quite different, like if you think of them as broadly European, they have a quite

00:19:03.780 different perspective. Then you think like you get to Northern European. Yeah. And so I think

00:19:09.120 what's in India, a lot of it has been, you know, psychological differences that are the result of the 0.95

00:19:15.440 environment and been partially hidden by psychological differences that were driven by caste systems.

00:19:19.060 Hmm. And in, in the, in the, in the United States, the problem that you have when you're building

00:19:25.000 stereotypes around Indians is that you are predominantly going to be interacting with

00:19:29.920 Brawans or, or just like way more than you would if you were in India. I can't remember what it was. 0.60

00:19:34.260 It's like 20% of the Indian immigrants or something. Um, so it really heavily affects the way that

00:19:40.040 they act. Yeah. Anyway, I plan to test novel predictions in future studies by comparing

00:19:46.760 Mongolians to Cossacks, Pervers, and Somalis, thereby controlling for Holocene pastoralism and by

00:19:53.240 comparing other Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans to Malays, Indians, and Northern Italians,

00:19:58.220 thereby controlling for Holocene rice farming. Oh.

00:20:01.600 Um, lessons of studies. Cultural psychologists must expand their scope of inquiry beyond just the

00:20:07.320 Holocene all the way back to 70,000 years ago when humans left Africa. Okay.

00:20:11.720 They have helped approach the Total Evolutionary Ecology's TEE model. The idea being that to

00:20:18.680 understand a local population, one must examine all the environments and selective pressures

00:20:22.520 against the state instead of arbitrarily limiting oneself to the Holocene. It seems obvious in hindsight,

00:20:27.720 but prior research advances in archaeogenetics and paleoecology, the pre-Holocene period was mostly

00:20:34.760 hand-waved away by psychologists due to lack of data. It's really interesting to me the way this is

00:20:42.200 he is looking for different populations that experienced one historic ecology, but not another.

00:20:50.120 So he's like, okay, what, what populations experienced the same, you know, pre-Holocene

00:20:55.720 environment and a different post-Holocene environment and see if they have any traits that

00:21:01.400 are similar across them? And can we sort of look at like what specifically these post-Holocene

00:21:06.520 environments are adding and what the pre-Holocene environments are adding? Obviously his TEE model

00:21:10.600 works very different from our model. Our model is that the, the vast majority, I'm going to say like

00:21:15.240 80% of psychological effects from evolution occur within the past thousand years. And I would wait them

00:21:23.560 to the past 500 years. I'm with you on that.

00:21:26.120 And it's, it's just because when you have migration now, this, this again is uniquely true when I, I

00:21:34.280 should say that my theory is really focused on the United States because that's where I live. And that's

00:21:39.560 where migration was going to play a really big role in genetic sorting. So if I'm going to give you an

00:21:44.840 example of what I mean by this, if you look at Silicon Valley, Silicon Valley genetically and culturally

00:21:51.240 seems to have produced a hugely disproportionate amount of global innovation over the past 50 years.

00:21:58.360 I don't think anyone like, like nothing even comes close. And so the question is, okay, well,

00:22:03.880 what were the recent evolutionary pressures for, for migration or disproportionate migration to the

00:22:10.040 Silicon Valley region historically? Well, what you had was first, first you could say, well,

00:22:15.080 what led to Silicon Valley? Well, it was, it was really high risk taking behavior for, for high risk,

00:22:21.560 high reward, potential payoffs. The Silicon Valley area was historically settled during the, the gold

00:22:28.120 mine rush, the, what were they called the 49ers. And you can, that was a complete population that was

00:22:34.360 just like, we're going to go to this region based on high risk, high reward, potential outcomes. And that,

00:22:39.320 that's what drew the seed population there, which made the population one, both more high risk,

00:22:44.840 high reward, but in line was also expeditionary forces. And what's the word I'm looking for here?

00:22:50.120 Regions of high frontier regions, like basically an ultra frontier region, which also meant that they

00:22:56.520 were more okay with cultural diversity and had less cultural tightness. And you can see this within

00:23:02.520 the culture of that region, you know, the hippie movement, et cetera. It's not just like the modern

00:23:07.000 iterations of like proto woke culture or proto like cults forming there all the time. This is where

00:23:13.560 Simone's ancestors migrated to, by the way. So you can see the, your ancestors who would have migrated to

00:23:19.240 that region would have had much more of these high risk, high reward traits than people in other,

00:23:24.840 the regions where they already were. And they were already in frontier regions when they made this

00:23:29.240 migration. You're right. Chicago, the great plains, et cetera. Yeah.

00:23:35.720 Any, any thoughts before I go further? I mean, I'd also point out like when, when you're looking at

00:23:39.560 people who migrated to America before 1850, you're already getting people who are extremely risk 1.00

00:23:47.320 taking. I mean, just getting on one of those boats to cross the Atlantic. Yeah. One of the things I

00:23:53.640 point out is a lot of people don't realize even when things were like horrifyingly bad,

00:24:00.120 my point is that was the Irish and they had the coffin ships. You're like, I'm not getting on that 1.00

00:24:03.800 boat. And like half the people would be dead. Well, yeah. You're going to chance it with this

00:24:07.480 starvation here. A lot of people would die on the boats. Yes, they did. Yes. And so you'd be coming

00:24:13.000 over with like months, with dead bodies, but I think they threw them overboard, but yeah. Yeah.

00:24:17.560 But a lot of people, even when their tickets were paid for, the reason why a lot of Irish who stayed in

00:24:22.040 Ireland stayed in Ireland was not that they didn't have the money to leave during the famine.

00:24:27.080 It was that they just refused to leave because a lot of the landlords in Ireland offered to pay

00:24:33.720 for them to leave. And they said, no, I won't. I know as to why the landlords, evil landlords

00:24:39.160 offered to pay for them to leave is because they kept forming gangs when the landlords couldn't pay

00:24:43.880 them, the people on his property and killing the landlords. And so the landlords wanted to lower

00:24:48.120 the number of people. Yeah. They didn't want that social unrest. No one wants starving

00:24:52.920 people with no work on their land. Yeah. Especially when the people are expecting you

00:24:58.120 to pay them. Yeah. That's, no, you're going to do a lot to get them out. And yet, and I don't blame

00:25:03.800 these people, but I just, I want to, I want to highlight the fact that when you look at people

00:25:09.160 who migrated to the West after 1850, you already have some very intense risk takers. And then you just,

00:25:16.120 they're like people now who are clearly addicted to risk and who just can't stand being around other

00:25:20.520 people. So you've got this hyper, hyper selective series of events. And I think you see this around

00:25:28.200 the world with a lot of different populations. Yeah. Actually, you know, speaking of like the

00:25:32.760 Irish immigration wave, and we did our video, the great replacement has already happened on the

00:25:37.480 various Catholic immigration waves, the Irish and the Italian immigration wave, and point out that this

00:25:41.240 was just not a large population in the United States pre these waves. At the time of the revolution,

00:25:45.640 they only made up 1.5% of the population Catholics. And even in the Catholic state,

00:25:49.640 Maryland, they are only 10%. But the, I think an interesting point here, I've got over this with

00:25:55.400 you before, but an interesting point here is I actually think culturally speaking, the pressures

00:26:01.400 that led to the Irish and Italian immigration wave cause the American descendants of these two groups

00:26:09.480 to be, I would argue the most culturally distinct American group, more distinct than the Hispanic 0.99

00:26:16.840 American immigrants, which are actually, I'd say closer in personality and, and proclivities to the

00:26:24.520 OG Americans, largely because they are immigrating from company countries where the immigrant waves to 1.00

00:26:30.920 those countries mirror the immigrant ways to the United States, you know, immigrating to America versus

00:26:37.720 immigrating to Mexico historically versus immigrating to, you know, one of the South American colonies

00:26:42.280 historically, not that different from immigrating to the United States. You had to be like really 1.00

00:26:46.680 risk-taking. Whereas the Irish and the Italian immigration waves, they were basically forced out

00:26:51.560 of their country by extreme, extreme poverty.

00:26:55.000 Yeah. It was more of a refugee situation and not, it, it was reactive, not proactive.

00:27:00.040 Yeah. Yes. They were, they were, they were refugees more than voluntary immigrants.

00:27:04.120 Mm-hmm. And so they maintained a lot more of their historic culture.

00:27:09.240 Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:10.680 And, and, and, and, and that's why I think looking at the why, looking at the why behind selective

00:27:14.520 pressures is important because just migrating, just going through a certain environment doesn't

00:27:20.440 explain all of it. Yeah. And that's why I, they disproportionately hold positions within

00:27:26.520 bureaucratic organizations in the United States. We pointed this out before that the Irish and Italian

00:27:31.640 descendants disproportionately, if you're looking at like lawyers, judges, it's the Supreme Court.

00:27:37.000 If you're looking at the, the, you know, government agencies, police forces, historically, they were

00:27:42.600 famously like overly Irish or overly Italian, which is really interesting. And, you know, I'm not saying

00:27:48.680 that this is a bad thing. Like I'm not saying them being different from other American populations.

00:27:52.040 It's just interesting to me, the reactive freak out Americans have to the Hispanic immigration waves,

00:27:58.520 which like the Irish and Italian are Catholic waves, but they're not, they're, they're chosen

00:28:03.640 immigrant populations. They're not like refugee populations. Anyway, to continue, evolutionary 0.99

00:28:09.000 psychology traditionally had all the limitations of historical science. There was no time machine

00:28:14.040 one could use to go back to the Pleistocene Africa to observe the long process of natural and

00:28:18.520 sexual selection for universal human cognitive mechanisms. There was also no way to get a control

00:28:24.200 group and an experimental group as the process of universal human evolution takes far too long.

00:28:29.640 Although Janet Song's lab is doing some interesting work on genetic brain evolution. These limitations

00:28:34.920 apply far less to the TEE model. That is when investigating psychological traits that represent local

00:28:40.840 adaptations to environments humans have inhabited since we left Africa. Ironically, then the most taboo area

00:28:48.920 of cultural psychology is the most empirically robust. Take my analysis of personal psychology,

00:28:55.800 psychology data. Here we do have the luxury of control groups and experimental groups, civilians,

00:29:00.120 pre winter personnel versus polar veterans, post winter personnel. This allows us to track psychological

00:29:06.600 changes throughout a winter over a polar trek, and then use the resulting success and failures to learn

00:29:11.880 about the processes of natural selection in the past. Although some expeditioners actually die or get severely

00:29:17.080 injured, most failures result in evacuation or being rated low by peers and supervisor. Polar psychologists

00:29:24.200 have also conducted extensive psychological testing of personnel, and by using the traits to predict success

00:29:29.800 and failures, they have identified successful selection criteria for polar candidates. This has greatly enhanced our

00:29:35.800 understanding of the kinds of personalities a polar environment select for." So interesting, because a lot of

00:29:41.000 times that, you know, this is just like just so stuff. This is just theorizing. This is how it's thought of as the

00:29:45.080 outside. And now that we're reopening this area of potential investigation, I think we can learn really

00:29:51.240 interesting things about ourselves. The interesting thing is, is I think that when a lot of people hear

00:29:56.520 about people doing work on like, why do certain groups have certain traits, what they think is that the

00:30:02.280 primary motivation to do this is going to be to learn about out groups, i.e. and to categorize out groups in

00:30:08.520 ways that are potentially deleterious, i.e. the same like white people doing like race science on like 0.92

00:30:13.880 black people. When in reality, the most curiosity and most benefit from this is going to come from 1.00

00:30:19.080 the groups themselves. You know, this guy is Asian, and he wants to understand like, why am I like this?

00:30:23.240 Why are Asians like this, disproportionately speaking? That would be interesting for me to understand, 1.00

00:30:28.120 because in understanding that I understand myself better. If you look at the types of research that we

00:30:33.720 do obsessively here, we focus much more on our cultural group, the greater Appalachian cultural

00:30:41.080 group that we both come from, than other cultural groups. Like, hugely disproportionately, we talk and

00:30:47.000 research and investigate our own culture, because it is more interesting to us than other cultures.

00:30:52.760 Yeah, and what are we supposed to do about other people's cultures? Groups that we don't have any say in, 0.98

00:30:58.520 are not part of, can contribute to. Well, they can be interesting to understand American trends,

00:31:05.720 you know, and trends in American politics and the electorate and everything.

00:31:08.760 And you can learn about pitfalls to try to avoid or replicate. Yeah, but I mean, for the most part,

00:31:14.200 I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, understanding distinctions, and we've talked

00:31:19.320 about this in other podcasts, distinctions like the, the, when you think about the American Republican or

00:31:24.120 Southerner or, or rural person, right? The two large groups, or three large groups hit this,

00:31:30.600 the greater Appalachian cultural group, the far west cultural, or the western frontier cultural

00:31:36.040 group, and the, the cavalier cultural group. And many people confuse the cavalier cultural group

00:31:44.120 with the, the Appalachian cultural group as a single culture, when they are like radically different

00:31:50.600 from each other in almost every single metric. And I would say this as having a family where I come

00:31:56.120 from the faction of the family that married into other greater Appalachian cultural group people,

00:32:01.240 and then other people in my family married into the cavalier, the cavalier cultural group,

00:32:06.760 and the cultural expectations of these groups are radically different. The cavalier cultural group is

00:32:12.040 very obsessed with manners, being gentlemanly, proper form, doing aristocratic looking things,

00:32:19.400 like they spend a lot of money on a risk, like country clubs, boats, boats, you know,

00:32:24.920 the, the, although the faction that you're thinking of, the boats faction, they, they married into

00:32:29.080 They're super waspy. I don't know. I, I, I think they're more Boston province than anything else.

00:32:34.040 They're not exactly. Yeah. But they're not either. The, the, but, but just like when I look at my family,

00:32:42.120 the, the, the, the biggest cultural friction is between the cavalier aristocratic deep South 0.55

00:32:50.920 culture and genetic selection events and the backwoods, you know, like F you to authority.

00:32:57.000 Like, I don't care what anyone has to say. Like, I'm going to live my way cultural group.

00:33:01.000 But, and I would say that this is like an active or hot conflict. It's just like a,

00:33:04.440 in terms of preferences, they find the way that we act to be very strange and sometimes even

00:33:10.360 inscrutable, especially given that we have all of the, you know, shiblet we need to be accepted by

00:33:18.600 aristocratic society. You know, I've got a Stanford MBA, you've got a Cambridge graduate degree. Like,

00:33:23.320 why are we going out there saying stuff and, and, and talking in a way and, you know, calling people

00:33:28.760 retards if, if that's, you know, what it's, it's, it's, it's not a proper thing to do, but I, I will say, 1.00

00:33:35.640 I do appreciate, and you should see our video on why, why people have manners. I do appreciate it.

00:33:40.040 One thing I did take from their group was manners in interacting with women. I was like, you know, 0.96

00:33:44.760 this is actually a thing of value that I should make a point of, of, of learning and remembering.

00:33:50.840 You mean in that? I don't remember this episode. It gives our, it would give our sons a competitive

00:33:54.840 advantage in the dating world. Cause it totally would.

00:33:57.880 Yeah. Well, it's a competitive advantage in the dating world. People actually do appreciate and

00:34:01.960 notice good manners. 100%. Well, they show inhibitory control and self-discipline. They

00:34:07.720 show that you are capable of delaying in the moment gratification and, or a desire for laziness

00:34:15.240 or energy conservation in favor of making other people comfortable. Because in the end, etiquette

00:34:20.040 is about making for smooth social transactions and making other people comfortable. But doing it in a way

00:34:26.120 that also other you, I think is really important. I think a lot of people drop manners when manners

00:34:30.840 start to other them. It's something that, that I, you know, was, was, was taught to me as a kid by

00:34:36.360 this cultural group is no, that's when it's most important to have manners. Although, I mean, 1.00

00:34:41.640 I don't follow manners as strictly as they do. For example, they will, when a woman gets up to like 1.00

00:34:46.920 use the restroom or leaves the table. They'll stand up. Yeah. 0.99

00:34:49.480 And I think that that's just a little too much for, for, for me. I've, I've never really

00:34:55.240 Malcolm, you can't even use silverware at a restaurant. I think, and that's an interesting thing is that

00:35:00.600 you were essentially trained in, in boarding school to not show manners because I don't know,

00:35:07.560 that lowered your status in middle school. So now you literally, instead of using a knife,

00:35:12.520 use your freaking forefinger to move food around on a plate at fancy restaurants. 1.00

00:35:19.800 Do I, do I destroy you? 0.99

00:35:21.560 But I will, I will strive to have better manners. Are you going to teach our kids manners?

00:35:30.120 Yes, of course I am. So both our sons are already like, where am I going to find a wife? I want a 0.83

00:35:37.080 wife. Part of it's because they really want rings. Like they're very inquisitive, little covetous

00:35:41.640 dragons and they want rings. And we're like, well, you, you get a ring when you get married. And they're

00:35:45.960 like, how do I get married? Well, you have to find a wife. Well, where do I find a wife? I'll never 0.99

00:35:50.120 find her. You're also really obsessed with having kids, not because of our prenatalist talk. And I

00:35:55.640 realize that this likely affects how many kids people have severely, but because they are in a

00:36:00.120 family where Simone's like always pregnant or has a baby and they see you focusing on the baby and then

00:36:05.560 their caregivers who they stay with during the day are also were recently pregnant and had a baby.

00:36:10.600 I think it's also just kind of a cool superpower that like, oh, women can 3D print humans. 1.00

00:36:17.320 And therefore Octavian says that women are, are better because they can, because I only like

00:36:23.080 women. Yeah. I only like women. I'm the king of all women. He told me one day. What did he say? 0.98

00:36:28.360 I'm the king of all women. He just said that. He was talking about a woman that he thought was 0.97

00:36:35.960 attractive humorously, his teacher, you know, the way young kids are. He's like, oh,

00:36:39.240 is that Mrs. Whatever? I don't know. And I was like, and then he, and then he looks for a bit

00:36:44.120 and he answers himself. He goes, no, she doesn't have beautiful enough hair. And then he's continuing

00:36:50.680 to think for, he goes, Mrs. Whatever has very long and beautiful hair. And then he stops and he thinks

00:36:56.280 for a bit, he goes, I'm the king of all women. That was, that was what he said, right? Like that was the

00:37:01.480 chain of, I so wish I could have gotten it on video. It was so hilarious. I am the king of all women.

00:37:07.960 Once he has manners, he will be. We'll see. But I, but I also love the way that I could so see

00:37:15.400 one of these like, you know, groups that tries to like target kids for transition in school. Cause

00:37:19.080 you know, he's autistic and everything targeting him. And he's like, okay, so I'm going to be able 1.00

00:37:22.360 to have babies, right? Like that's the point of being a woman. You're going to so trigger someone 1.00

00:37:27.000 who's going to be like, well, no, I mean, there's other reasons to have kids, be a woman other than have 0.99

00:37:31.560 kids. He's going to be like, no, there isn't. No, there's, there is not one. He's like, he's like,

00:37:37.960 if I become a woman, because he knows he needs to get a woman to make kids. That's like, which is very 0.99

00:37:43.480 important to him. Yeah. He wants to be thinking right now. Yeah. I, I, he'll, he'll be a ladies 0.59

00:37:48.520 man though. He, he looks like the type of kid who's going to grow up to be very attractive.

00:37:51.400 Already all of his friends in class are girls who really like him.

00:37:54.520 So that's what they told us on the school of call, but I don't think, you know, how a guy's

00:38:00.600 going to do his girls until a girl start going through puberty because girls go through puberty 1.00

00:38:04.680 before guys do. Um, so then you can be like, okay, it's, he's still interacting in this, this,

00:38:10.120 he's very like obsessed with like being the good guy and like keeping order. So I can see that

00:38:16.600 looking good to, to some females. We'll see. 1.00

00:38:19.160 I have a question for you growing up. Did you ever notice cultural differences between,

00:38:27.560 because you had a very like, you know, ethnically immigration diverse group of friends in the Bay

00:38:34.200 area in the Asian friends you had versus the other friends. Yeah. Did I notice cultural differences?

00:38:42.600 Not really. It's, it's more that I noticed there were some friends maybe who were either less

00:38:49.160 integrated than others or just from weirder, or I don't know how to say it more, more strict

00:38:54.840 families than others. So there was one girl in my middle school or high school class who was just

00:39:01.720 like, yeah, my mom tells me she doesn't love me. Like just actively, like not even tiger momming,

00:39:07.560 just being like, yeah, I don't love you. And that was really hard for me to understand.

00:39:13.640 There was another Korean girl who was very, very clingy and very, very Christian and extremely 1.00

00:39:20.200 docile. So like that came across as sort of weird and different, but then a bunch of my other Chinese 1.00

00:39:26.120 and Vietnamese friends were just super normal and fun and like a little quirky maybe, but like I was a

00:39:31.480 little quirky too. And my other European descent friends were also quirky. So it's, it's weird that

00:39:38.120 there wasn't, you know, like, yeah, my Asian friends on average are like this, or like my

00:39:43.320 Korean versus Chinese versus Filipino versus Vietnamese friends are like this and this and

00:39:47.880 this and this. There really wasn't much of that. And there were very different degrees of parental

00:39:51.960 involvement between families, but definitely you, you know how in, in childhood cartoons,

00:40:02.200 like parents just aren't there. And a lot of them, it's just like, what parents? They just never

00:40:07.640 there. Like there's, there are scenes at the kid's home and just, there's nothing, there's no parent.

00:40:12.280 That was kind of how it was with my Asian friends. I barely if ever met their parents, which was really

00:40:19.800 weird because I spent a lot of time with them and sometimes even went to their house. Whereas with my

00:40:25.320 Western descent friends, parents were just there all the time. Like in Mean Girls, like the mother 0.98

00:40:32.760 who's just like, Oh, how are you doing? Hey, how are my best girlfriends? Hey, Mrs. George. This is Katie.

00:40:40.440 Hello, sweetheart. Welcome to our home. I just want you to know if you need anything, don't be shy.

00:40:47.320 Okay. There are no rules in this house. Hey, you guys. Happy hour is from four to six.

00:40:55.320 Thanks. Um, is there alcohol in this? Oh God, honey. No. What kind of mother do you think I am? 0.99

00:41:03.880 Why do you want a little bit? Cause if you're going to drink, I'd rather you do it in the house.

00:41:07.400 No, thank you. Okay. So you guys, what is the four one one? What has everybody been up to?

00:41:16.600 What is the hot gossip? I mean, when you talk about cultural differences that are going to lead

00:41:21.480 to differences in adulthood, like this is obviously going to have a big effect parental

00:41:25.080 involvement. Yeah. The, the, the, the, well, and the ways that parents have involvement,

00:41:30.200 is it, you know, about sitting down with a kid during time that's just parent kid time,

00:41:35.000 or are they bringing the kid along with them during their regular daily routine?

00:41:38.520 These are two. If you look historically at the different American styles of parenting,

00:41:42.760 um, the, the backwoods, greater Appalachian region, the way that parental involvement worked,

00:41:46.920 it's the kids would follow the parent around. Whereas if you go to the Puritan or Quaker regions, 0.84

00:41:52.280 it was more that the parent would set aside like unique time to interact with the kid,

00:41:58.360 which is a very different way of interacting with, with people depending on the region.

00:42:03.640 Yeah. This is my dedicated kid time.

00:42:06.040 Was that the way it worked with your parents or were they more like, just follow me around on when

00:42:10.440 I'm doing business and work? They refer to it as parallel play. And I loved it, which is just,

00:42:14.280 we all kind of ignore each other and did our own thing, but in close proximity. So yeah,

00:42:18.360 it would be that Appalachian model of like, I'm going to do my work or do my thing.

00:42:22.360 They also brought you on lots of business trips as I remember.

00:42:25.080 Yeah. I loved that. That was great. Yeah. Which I guess is very much that Appalachian model.

00:42:30.360 Yeah. Just, and they, and then they just let you do whatever when you were in these countries.

00:42:33.560 Just, yeah, we just, I would wander the streets of Tokyo, but then it's sometimes I would come along to

00:42:38.200 business dinners and, you know, see drunken salarymen sing karaoke and, you know, I think in,

00:42:46.600 you know, we've really hurt society when progressives like tried to prevent us from

00:42:50.760 looking at these differences. There's just so much we can learn both about ourselves and about how

00:42:56.520 other people have different perspectives in us and what might be driving those perspectives by

00:42:59.880 looking at things like child rearing. That would actually be a great episode for me to research.

00:43:03.880 It's a child rearing episode. Yeah. Like cultural differences in child rearing because again, like

00:43:08.840 the, at least the averages are cultural norms of we'll say Chinese investment in children.

00:43:14.440 It's, it's kind of heartbreakingly high, but in this kind of remote way, like that allegedly 60%

00:43:21.800 of disposable income goes to rearing kids. Once a Chinese couple has kids also in all the manga that

00:43:27.320 I'd read, you know, about kids, maybe being stressed out at school or studying. It wasn't like the parents

00:43:31.960 were like sitting there next to them. It was, they would come home from school and go upstairs to

00:43:37.240 their room and study by themselves and then come down to eat dinner as a family. Sure. But there

00:43:43.480 wasn't a whole lot of side-by-side parent time spent. It was, that was relegated mostly to meals,

00:43:50.520 which is interesting because in that way, the parents are breaking their backs, raising their kids,

00:43:57.240 but not really getting to enjoy them, which might have a very anti-natal effect. Like what's the

00:44:02.520 point? This isn't even fun. I'm all, I'm spending all my time to basically contribute to an investment

00:44:08.600 asset that I'm not even enjoying, especially in a, in a, in societies where less and less so you're

00:44:17.960 depending on your children for retirement. What would the point be at all? You don't hang out with your

00:44:22.280 kids. You don't really like them. You're really stressed out about their achievement. You spend a ton of money on

00:44:26.520 them. Yeah. That's, I'm not signing up for that. That sounds terrible. I'm not doing that.

00:44:32.520 That is really interesting. It reminds me of, you know, they were, they were talking about how in

00:44:39.480 one article I was reading, how cultures you typically either go to live with like the mother's family or

00:44:45.960 the father's family, depending on what culture you're talking about. Oh, you mean like if the both,

00:44:50.920 the married couple collectively will go live with them. Yeah. And a cultural trait that you see in a,

00:44:56.200 when you go to live with the mother's family is typically women are a lot more agentic in these 1.00

00:45:01.640 cultures and have much higher status and that the rural British culture, which informed a lot of

00:45:07.880 American culture was one of these. And that's why in a lot of old timey stuff, people talk about

00:45:13.640 the, the, the, you know, the old battle axe mother-in-law is such a frequent trope because

00:45:18.600 these people are literally living alongside the young couple. Like they were going to live in the,

00:45:23.960 the, the mother's, the girl's parents' house. And so the, the mother-in-law would exert a lot of 0.99

00:45:30.200 influence that could really chafe on, you know, the, the, the young couple. And, and that makes perfect

00:45:36.680 sense. But you know, you'd also get this, this, this trope of, oh, you know, they have so much cultural

00:45:41.960 power and pressure. I mean, I love you to death Simone. What am I having for dinner tonight?

00:45:49.960 So we could do more curry, but we've been doing a lot of that lately. I know I need to

00:45:55.160 make something new for you, but you don't like Dandan noodles anymore. And you don't like

00:46:03.960 Sichuan chicken anymore. And I used to like potstickers, which I can make for you.

00:46:08.360 What kind of tickles your fancies these days? What's like, even just random grilled cheese

00:46:15.160 nights, you'd be like, yeah, let's do grilled cheese, but that's too, too basic for you.

00:46:20.200 Or something or chicken or we could do, I mean, why don't you like, look at some of the sauces that

00:46:26.280 we haven't been using and then ask an AI what can be made from them. Okay. Do you know which sauce

00:46:33.080 made your tummy hurt? No, we don't know yet, but we can look at the ones that we're not using now.

00:46:38.360 So what I would do is I would look in the fridge and be like, okay, like, I know we got some Thai

00:46:43.560 red chili sauce or something that we haven't really used on anything.

00:46:47.160 We have a lot of gochujang sauce.

00:46:52.200 Well, you could do something with gochujang that is not gochujang chicken.

00:46:57.560 I mean, I would just put gochujang in other dishes. I don't think that like,

00:47:00.920 Oh, what's that dish you did where you made the fiery chicken? I like that one.

00:47:07.960 It was like a drier chicken dish.

00:47:10.840 I think you're thinking of gochujang chicken that's first breaded in...

00:47:16.120 No, not breaded chicken. It was like a drier chicken dish.

00:47:18.920 Yeah, pretty much all of the ones are first dipped in cornstarch and then fried.

00:47:26.920 Well, why don't you try to just make up your own dish?

00:47:29.720 Because with a limited amount of time I've gotten to prepare dinner, I can't do that except for on

00:47:35.720 a weekend, maybe.

00:47:36.760 Okay, then just give me, you know, dumplings, okay? I don't care.

00:47:41.800 Okay. We can plan something better tomorrow if I make more. I just need preparation time.

00:47:48.280 I need to have the ingredients necessary.

00:47:49.880 I mean, you're going to get like an hour of preparation time today.

00:47:53.000 No, because we're going to... Well, maybe. We'll see. We'll see.

00:47:56.680 All right. I'll hop on the other call. Love you.

00:47:58.440 Looking forward to it.

00:48:00.760 Ending recording.

00:48:01.880 I was in the middle of watching that amazing link you sent about Kitochi.

00:48:07.000 I haven't explained. We had an Italian journalist team staying at our house this last weekend,

00:48:12.040 and I had to spend a long time explaining to them why...

00:48:16.440 What was his name? The Prime Minister. What is it?

00:48:19.960 Oh my gosh.

00:48:20.600 Shinzo Abe.

00:48:21.880 Shinzo Abe, that's who it was. Shinzo Abe.

00:48:24.520 But anyway, so I had to explain to them why Shinzo Abe, how he saved Trump.

00:48:27.800 And they're like, do people like actually believe this happened?

00:48:32.600 And I was like, well, I mean, they emotionally believe it happened.

00:48:36.440 And that's what matters.

00:48:37.640 Great way of putting it. Great.

00:48:39.800 Perfect.

00:48:43.960 Be careful.

00:48:44.600 I need to climb.

00:48:46.440 Well, Toasty, that's way too close to the edge.

00:48:49.640 Way too close.

00:48:50.200 No, I want to climb.

00:48:51.960 I need to get that rock.

00:48:53.640 I need to get that rock.

00:48:54.280 So you got to get more rocks, Toasty.

00:48:56.040 More rocks.

00:48:57.720 Okay.

00:48:59.560 Mommy, I'm doing it, but I need to climb, but I need to push down me.

00:49:07.400 Toasty, come back over here and I'll hold you up, okay?

00:49:09.880 And I'll get you two tight in.

Based Camp - May 14, 2025

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