Based Camp - Do We Have a Real Relationship？

00:00:00.000 he was like, Oh, I have a parasocial relationship with you guys. You've never met me, but I watch

00:00:04.320 all your episodes and I feel like, uh, I sort of know you through that. And it was very interesting

00:00:10.520 the way I felt about that in the moment, because I was like, yeah, well, I mean, you're our friend,

00:00:14.860 right? Like I immediately felt like it was much more of a two-way relationship than historically.

00:00:21.500 I have seen people talk about parasocial. Well, more than you would expect. Right.

00:00:25.820 And so then I begin to reflect on the people I know when they talk about their fans,

00:00:32.120 do they have a relationship where they genuinely feel an emotional connection to them?

00:00:37.820 Even when they haven't personally talked to somebody, they just meet someone in this one's

00:00:42.180 like, Oh, I'm a big fan of your work. And they're immediately like, Oh yeah, we're going to get

00:00:45.420 along. Or do they sort of recoil at that? So then what is your thesis on what was causing this divide?

00:00:51.900 Would you like to know more?

00:00:52.820 So Malcolm, I am so afraid right now.

00:00:57.040 For what reason?

00:00:59.940 Imagine there's like a monster or like a murderer outside, outside your room, just outside.

00:01:07.060 And that feeling, that feeling, or like, like your worst enemy or like your boss or something

00:01:13.680 is like right outside your, your door, just waiting for you.

00:01:16.940 So this is because there is a mess outside her door.

00:01:21.520 There's a mess. I can, I can hear it.

00:01:23.560 We got all of this stuff from my mom after she died and we've been putting it away.

00:01:28.240 And Simone just always reacts this way to messes. 1.00

00:01:32.280 Where is this existential sort of constant hatred and dread?

00:01:36.880 By the way, Simone, speaking of messes, I, and I get added the longer we're in a relationship.

00:01:41.740 I get new little tasks I have to do. So I took a shower before this podcast. And now I have to

00:01:48.240 squeegee the walls of the shower after I do it. Oh, hard stains don't. I don't know if this is a task

00:01:57.060 that anyone else has to do for their wife. I have not heard of this as a part of regular life

00:02:01.400 maintenance.

00:02:01.960 If you have hard water, it is. If you have hard water.

00:02:06.900 We have a whole system to help with the hard water.

00:02:10.220 And it's not enough. It's not enough. It gets the glass all smoochy and gross and cloudy. And I don't

00:02:16.180 want that. But yeah, anyway, we're not going to talk about showers.

00:02:18.900 I got a recount. What inspired this podcast was a particular, so we're going to be at this

00:02:24.260 natalist conference. We're not the ones running it. A lot of people think we're the ones running it.

00:02:28.260 No. And another group is running it. Actually, they've got some, some canceled people among

00:02:32.940 them. So it will be spicier, I think, than a lot of things that we might put together ourselves. 0.89

00:02:37.500 And we were talking as one of the people who was running it, but who we hadn't met yet.

00:02:41.340 And he was like, Oh, I feel like I already know you. Like, like I have a parasocial relationship

00:02:45.820 with you guys. You've never met me, but I watch all your episodes and I feel like

00:02:49.280 I sort of know you through that. And it was very interesting the way I felt about that in the

00:02:55.340 moment because I was like, yeah, well, I mean, you're our friend, right? Like I immediately

00:02:59.920 felt like it was much more of a two-way relationship than historically I have seen

00:03:06.100 people talk about parasocial relations.

00:03:09.480 Well, more than you would expect, right? Like when, yeah, when someone says like, we feel

00:03:13.920 like we have a parasocial relationship with you, we're like, Oh, so like one, you don't hate

00:03:18.660 us for our views. Two, like we're on the same page with some weird ideas. Like we've,

00:03:23.400 we've said, yeah, but I think what I want to get into here, Simone is why, because then

00:03:29.140 I started thinking about, you know, Simone and I, I guess with guests we've had on and

00:03:32.760 stuff like that, people can tell that we hang out in circles with lots of really high profile

00:03:36.240 online celebrities and also IRL celebrities. And so then I begin to reflect on the people

00:03:43.340 I know when they talk about their fans, do they have a relationship where like they really

00:03:50.820 like the relationship they have with their, their, their fans? Like they, they genuinely

00:03:54.580 feel an emotional connection to them. Even when they haven't personally talked to somebody,

00:03:59.400 they just meet someone and this one's like, Oh, I'm a big fan of your work. And they're

00:04:02.300 immediately like, Oh yeah, we're going to get along. Or do they sort of recoil at that?

00:04:06.460 And when we started doing this, Simone, you came up with like a really good heuristic for

00:04:12.740 the group that would be like, yes, I get along really well. So, so we can, we can begin

00:04:18.380 to lay this out. So I see people who get along, like who had seemed to think very fondly of

00:04:22.940 their fans are people like Razeeb Khan. And then when we think about our friends who are

00:04:27.180 celebrities, who have the most antagonism to our, their fans who are like, obviously we couldn't

00:04:31.520 say names because of that, but they're generally like pop celebrities, I guess I'd say like people

00:04:37.920 who are really famous, but was a really, really wide audience. A wider, more mainstream audience,

00:04:43.300 I would say. Yeah. So the, the people we know who are niche celebrities tend to be much more in sync

00:04:50.000 with their fans. And if someone doesn't, if they've never spoken with someone, but someone knows their

00:04:54.480 work and really gets it, like they typically get on pretty well. Yeah. So then what is it that you,

00:05:01.700 your, your thesis on what was causing this divide? Yeah. I think that, that niche celebrities are much

00:05:07.500 more likely to be genuinely themselves. And that's why one there's, there's still niche. Like,

00:05:12.920 I think that when you get to a certain level of mainstream appeal, you, you aren't exactly allowed

00:05:17.920 to be yourself anymore. Like you have to, I'm going to push back on that, but let me, you know,

00:05:25.480 make my point is that you're not allowed. You, you basically have to like appeal to more mainstream

00:05:30.420 tastes and views, kind of like politicians being forced to go toward the center to get more electorate

00:05:35.840 when they're running for office. And so by doing that, you basically stop becoming yourself. And so when

00:05:40.480 someone has a parasocial relationship with you in, in a more mainstream context, it isn't actually you

00:05:46.200 because you've had to compromise who you actually are to appeal to more people. And tell me why you

00:05:50.300 don't think. No, I think you're totally wrong about that. So I think your first point was correct.

00:05:54.680 I think your second point was just so-y nonsense. So, and unfortunately I have to talk around this

00:06:00.400 for our audience. Cause Simone always gets mad if I like, like Rizzi, I know he wouldn't care.

00:06:04.980 Like we've done, he's posted pictures with us and stuff in the past. I know he wouldn't care,

00:06:08.680 but like other people we know, I have to sort of talk around when I'm trying to come up with

00:06:12.360 examples, but we know people who have a mainstream audience appeal, Simone, that are very much

00:06:19.900 themselves within that audience. There are exceptions. There are exceptions. They're unusual.

00:06:25.380 Like Donald Trump, I'm sure is one of those people. He's like, we don't know Donald Trump,

00:06:28.840 but like he is definitely someone who seems like himself all the time. Right. And, and he is someone

00:06:33.800 who, when people go up and they're like, I am a fan of your work, you can even see it in his eyes.

00:06:38.940 He may not know that person, but they light up and he feels a genuine sense of kinship with the

00:06:44.040 individual. Agree. Agree. Because he is publicly who he really is. But I would say that is a minority,

00:06:50.140 a vast minority of mainstream fans. Well, actually now I'm going to point out a different thing that

00:06:53.980 you might not be thinking about. Okay. We also know people who are niche online celebrities who hate

00:06:58.560 their fans. I can think of two examples off the top of my head. I can't give names, Simone.

00:07:04.700 I know you can't give names. They don't agree at me. I don't want to risk it in editing or something

00:07:09.520 like that. I'm just going to say there are two examples that I know for a fact do not like their

00:07:14.440 fans. And feel like they, they seem to get a little afraid when they meet people in public who

00:07:19.400 are their fans. And both of them put on fake personalities. Okay. So you just, you just, yeah.

00:07:24.700 Well, okay. Well, but okay. I would also say then at least the odds. So if you were looking at a

00:07:30.600 sample of a hundred mainstream famous people, and you were looking at a sample of a hundred

00:07:35.340 niche famous people. Here's where you're making the mistake. Here's where you're making the mistake.

00:07:39.220 You're thinking about historic celebrities going forwards. If you look at celebrities that rose to

00:07:43.720 fame in the last 10 years. Yeah. But I also think that we're seeing the death of the mainstream

00:07:49.300 celebrity. I don't think we're just going to see that many mainstream, like broad, broad for everyone,

00:07:54.180 celebrities. The reason why you used to have this trend is the same thing that you learned when you

00:07:59.260 went to the political consulting campaign. And they're like, well, the first thing you need to

00:08:02.680 do is to delete all of your social media history. So no one can ever find out anything weird or

00:08:07.180 unusual or particular, you know, that you've ever said. Um, these people were catering to like the way

00:08:14.320 that boy bands used to become famous and the way that, you know, any of these corporately engineered

00:08:20.540 stars became famous. But today there's a lot of stars that rise to fame simply to through appealing

00:08:29.880 directly to an audience. And there's been different ways that people have done that. So one of the

00:08:35.000 things that you pointed out to me, and this may help you better picture, you know, famous people who

00:08:40.520 really don't like their fans are like mommy bloggers where they have to put on this veneer

00:08:47.000 of being very perfect and not stressed and together and not stressed. And yeah, like nothing's going

00:08:53.580 wrong in their life. And this causes them to have cognitive dissonance around their interactions with

00:09:01.800 people who say that they like them. And really interestingly, when they meet someone, probably

00:09:06.220 the reason why the reaction is so viscerally negative with these individuals is the cognitive

00:09:10.860 dissonance they experience with every individual who's like, I really feel like I have a connection to

00:09:16.240 you. Is it they don't like that they are not the person that person has a connection to?

00:09:21.340 Right, right, right. And yeah, I think a lot of when people get angry is when they, at least for me,

00:09:27.160 like mostly whenever you see me angry and you think it's at you, it's because I'm mad at myself.

00:09:32.240 So that actually makes a lot of sense. And I also think maybe a lot of the discomfort with meeting

00:09:36.980 fans is like, maybe they will discover it's a lie, which could also be terrifying.

00:09:41.720 I think that's it. I think it's like the fan has a connection with an avatar of yourself that is

00:09:47.720 better than who you really are. And that highlights your own flaws as an individual. So that's one way

00:09:56.720 it could cause emotional pain. Another way is that it's just, and this is the thing with our friends

00:10:01.540 who are just like publicly, I would call like media engineered type famous. They typically have just

00:10:09.760 completely personalities than you would expect. So when you, like, if you get to know like a generic,

00:10:16.780 I'd say like, let's say boy band celebrity or something like that, right? Their actual in-person

00:10:22.180 personalities are often just like entirely different than what you would think from their public

00:10:27.160 personality, which is, which is interesting because like, when I think about the person

00:10:31.820 who we're thinking about, their in-person personality is actually incredibly educated and erudite and

00:10:39.100 sophisticated and like really deep into like, you know, whether it's like AI or, or, or genetics or

00:10:49.020 like all of the stuff that like we talk about on this, like, like our sort of personality group.

00:10:53.700 Right. And yet publicly they would be thought of as just like another ditzy celebrity.

00:10:59.160 And, and I think that that would cause me a lot of pain. But I met someone and they were like,

00:11:03.760 I'm a huge fan of yours. I'm a huge, like, I feel like I already have a relationship with you.

00:11:07.860 And the person that they had a relationship with opposite these other like mommy bloggers types,

00:11:12.320 where the person they have a relationship with is actually better than who they really are,

00:11:15.960 is actually so much less than what they really are.

00:11:19.180 That might make me feel, yeah, pretty brutally, you know, every time that happened in the way

00:11:24.180 that it made me feel. And especially if they just like totally politically misjudge what your actual

00:11:30.200 views are and stuff like that. And, and, and they're almost signaling themselves as like the polar

00:11:35.100 opposite of the real you, which I think is really interesting. But then the question is,

00:11:41.080 and this is an interesting question for you, do you think we'll maintain this? Because you had the

00:11:44.640 thesis that, okay, if you get big enough, you eventually, or your image begins to disconnect

00:11:51.060 from who you really are.

00:11:53.640 I think if I were acting in isolation, that would totally happen. Cause I just don't, I'm,

00:12:00.380 I'm, I'm, I would say not ever really acting myself when I'm in a group, like in person with

00:12:07.960 other people, right? Like I'm that one of the reasons why we're sitting in separate rooms is I'm

00:12:11.960 much more likely to be honest and myself and unfiltered if I'm in a room or like a room by

00:12:16.000 myself. So reason by the way, is that she is an AI iteration of myself. I just do the same thing

00:12:22.420 twice and then apply a filter. There was actually a conspiracy theory about us a while ago. One of

00:12:29.240 the earlier times we went viral and the, the, the theory went, this was on Reddit that we were

00:12:34.440 actually the same person because we were rarely in like the same picture. And this, this series

00:12:40.180 would only bolster that. And it is easily the, my favorite conspiracy theory about us.

00:12:44.960 They said that it is impossible that somebody this weird exists in duplicate. Like they seem

00:12:51.840 to hold a lot of the same ideas and nobody holds those ideas. So how could two people meet each

00:12:57.420 other who happened to be weird in exactly the same way?

00:13:00.320 Yeah. My theory was more like, Oh, that's, it was, it was, they were commenting on a picture

00:13:05.520 of us in the article and they were saying, that's not really the pronatalists. Those are models that

00:13:10.600 are posing as them. And I'm like, it was like that scene in Clueless when she thinks like the

00:13:18.860 businesswomen and they're like, Oh, they're all actually models. And they were trying to sound 0.73

00:13:22.280 like smart and dismissive. They're like, Oh, those, those people pictured in that article,

00:13:27.660 don't you know, that's not actually the pronatalist couple. That's just like a theory

00:13:31.000 of what models posing as a pronatalist couple might look like and talking about like a, and I,

00:13:38.060 I couldn't have, when somebody is trying to hurt you, right? Like they're trying to insult you.

00:13:44.100 And yet they say something that is so profoundly complimentary. Anyway, you know, that they were

00:13:49.540 trying to belittle the movement by saying that we were real people.

00:13:54.420 Yeah. But anyway, Malcolm, if you were to go mainstream famous, I don't, I think you would

00:14:00.060 not change at all. You would go like full Trump or full Elon Musk. Like those are people who have

00:14:04.420 gone mainstream famous who like give zero shits. They've changed nothing about themselves. 0.93

00:14:09.840 I think you're right. And, and, and I would say that it is very interesting. If you look at on

00:14:14.420 this channel, the older videos, the really old videos, like you search for the oldest videos on

00:14:17.980 the channel, cause we've been using someone's YouTube channel forever, you know?

00:14:21.240 And you very cruelly do not let me delete those videos.

00:14:24.720 No, I do not. I love those videos. They represent a different time in your life, but

00:14:28.640 you can see her personality comes off as much more of somebody who was beginning to model

00:14:36.460 their personality and identity off of online influencers in these early sort of solo videos

00:14:42.360 you did. Um, we'll watch them again, Simone. It's very interesting.

00:14:46.740 My, my social mode is just like any LLM. It is reinforcement learning based. I just did what

00:14:52.520 I got.

00:14:53.760 Yeah. But if you look at older videos with me and them, and I might even upload some of those

00:14:57.800 because we had a different channel that I still haven't taken down that we had some

00:15:01.080 videos on, but like, we've got to figure out how to consolidate them. I don't know.

00:15:04.400 But you've always been you, you should even take stuff from high school where you're like,

00:15:08.060 you know, it's all still you.

00:15:09.760 I come off as a very similar energy to the energy I have today. And, and I find that interesting

00:15:15.140 is, is it that I'm sort of like an anchor personality that draws you in and allows you to fix your

00:15:23.100 personality because you're using me as an anchor.

00:15:27.620 You're an additional modeling factor that changes how I behave in public, but I will never be myself

00:15:34.120 in public because I hate being in public. So if I'm actually being myself in public,

00:15:38.320 myself being myself in public is running the fuck away from public. It is leaving the room. So I can't

00:15:43.660 like be honest and still be in a group of people because if I'm not lying and acting like I'm okay,

00:15:48.240 then I'm not there. Right. No, I agree with that. But I feel like in these videos,

00:15:53.340 you very much act like yourself. Yeah. Because I'm in a room by myself right now. It's great. It's

00:15:58.680 perfect. No, no threats other than the big looming mess outside your door. Sorry. I didn't forget.

00:16:09.980 But yeah. And yeah, this is interesting for me. And I really wonder, you know, going forwards with our

00:16:15.800 fans, if this is something that changes, like do our personalities compromise going forwards and

00:16:21.740 what would, how can we, you know, I mean, I do want to be the type of person who's still capable

00:16:30.440 of like changing my mind when I get new information or have new ideas. I never want to be able to do it.

00:16:34.840 You're still going to be, there's like the, the bigger question is like, if someone held a gun to our

00:16:40.560 our heads, would you actually be able to not be you? And, and probably not, it would be the death

00:16:46.980 of you. Like there is no world in which you can convincingly go mainstream. So don't worry about

00:16:53.580 it. You'll never sell out. That's one thing I love about you. Okay. Here's the question I have for

00:16:58.580 you. Okay. Let's do some theory crafting on individuals who are famous, who we don't know

00:17:03.560 whether or not they're showing their genuine. Okay. Because I think what's really interesting

00:17:07.280 is the way a person reacts when they meet fans, like a generic fan can, if our theory is right,

00:17:14.380 it can tell you. Okay. So Bill Murray is himself. Oh my God. You should mention Bill Murray. I happen

00:17:20.640 to know Bill Murray is himself because Bill Murray goes to, so this is a celebrity that I do know,

00:17:26.740 but only from stories. So Bill Murray goes to this golf championship thing. What's it called?

00:17:32.900 The St. Andrew's open or whatever. We're like, you, you, you do golf. So you knew about it because

00:17:36.800 you were at St. Andrew's all the time. So I was a student at St. Andrew's. And so one of the things

00:17:41.520 that he was known for is even in my house, because my house used to be a party house before I moved

00:17:46.400 in and, but I was really good friends with the people who did it. So they would host big parties

00:17:50.060 every night. And he was the type of guy who would just walk in off the street because he saw a party

00:17:53.780 happening and, and hang out. And they were joking that he would like do the dishes after the party,

00:17:59.300 like insist on doing the dishes for the entire party afterwards. And I'm like, that's somebody who's

00:18:05.320 just so genuinely loves the way that like people they don't know engage with them based on their

00:18:11.980 public persona. And so the opposite of a celebrity who's sort of hiding away from the public.

00:18:16.900 Yeah. Celebrities don't like crash parties, but Bill Murray.

00:18:20.380 Seeing someone on the street and being like, Hey, you're a student. Can I come to your house

00:18:24.040 for the party tonight? Yeah.

00:18:25.220 Every story I've ever heard about Bill Murray is like so based and I love it. So he's definitely

00:18:30.240 one of those people. Um, and that's a good example of a very public person and, and yeah,

00:18:35.260 and through seeing stuff like this. So like based on this theory, I would have been able to take that

00:18:39.640 story that I knew about Bill Murray and then say, he probably is very much who he is in public in

00:18:45.580 person. Um, whereas I wonder somebody like, well, actually this is why I suspect Hillary Clinton seems

00:18:52.840 to come off so jilted when she's talking to people at like conferences and stuff like that.

00:18:58.100 Yeah. Like she doesn't connect in the same way that Trump does because she isn't obviously feeding

00:19:04.540 positive emotions from somebody saying like, I know you like a very interesting meeting is the

00:19:11.160 Nick Fuentes Trump meeting. You can read about like what was actually going on during that meeting and

00:19:15.620 the aid who was like trying to protect Trump from this. And he was clearly just loving that this person

00:19:20.360 liked him and was engaged with the things that he was saying. Whereas I, I don't think that you

00:19:25.560 would get that same sort of just like cancel all my meetings. I'm with somebody who likes

00:19:31.020 me from, from, from, uh, but here's the question I have for you. What do you think of Andrew Tate

00:19:38.660 and Jordan Peterson? I'm thinking of like conservative intellectual people who are really high up. Do

00:19:42.660 you think that they are really themselves?

00:19:46.080 I think Andrew Tate is himself.

00:19:49.040 I think they both are themselves.

00:19:50.900 Yeah. Well, I don't, I don't know about, yeah. I mean, Jordan Peterson probably is, I don't

00:19:54.000 know enough. Like, but when you look at the way that Andrew Tate set up his entire lifestyle,

00:19:57.760 like that, that he lived with all his cam girls and stuff, like you don't do that. Like if,

00:20:03.220 if you have a double life and you're hiding as like your real personality, you don't make your life,

00:20:08.100 your celebrity life, but Tate's celebrity life was his life. And he like fully, yeah, he's,

00:20:14.000 he is.

00:20:14.500 Yeah. So I'm actually arguing he's probably in an interesting scenario. So I don't think anyone can

00:20:19.000 24 seven be who Andrew Tate's pretends to be.

00:20:22.400 I know, man, I, I legit think that.

00:20:25.360 You think he's a human being capable of maintaining frame 24 seven.

00:20:28.880 Yes. Because I think he, he like, it is, it is his, his reason for a living. Like everything's

00:20:35.120 about like, I am so tough and he wakes up in the morning and I am so tough. And like that,

00:20:40.380 no, I really think like he lives for that more than fame, more than wealth or anything. It is,

00:20:45.880 it is that vision. I think it is, it is the beating heart.

00:20:48.820 He is trying to create like a piece of art,

00:20:50.880 an aesthetic vision with every aspect of how he interacts with reality.

00:20:54.640 Yeah. Yeah. He's like Barbie in the Barbie movie before she got weird.

00:20:58.400 He just 100% living the, living the.

00:21:01.380 I love this with Andrew Tate being like Barbie from the Barbie movie.

00:21:05.340 He is.

00:21:06.080 He's doing his thing.

00:21:07.400 Yeah. No, no. What? Like 100%. No, I, I think it's all genuine. I,

00:21:11.380 I don't think he slips. I don't think, I don't think for him,

00:21:14.060 it is not maintaining frame because he is the frame. Like, I just,

00:21:18.300 I can't emphasize this enough. I feel, I feel like he's the real deal.

00:21:21.220 And he monetizes that, you know, he makes it,

00:21:23.880 he makes it seem like to other men that that's, that's achievable to them when it's not,

00:21:28.000 it's just his neurotype. But when you look at also like genetically, like his father,

00:21:31.500 like his genetic inheritance, I feel like it's literally like in his,

00:21:35.320 in his dunna to be like that. Okay. It's done.

00:21:39.000 You listen to the stories from his father and I don't know if these are made up or anything like that,

00:21:42.580 but they are very much that his father invented the philosophy he lives by and not himself.

00:21:48.780 Well, his father was a very like aggressive chess champion. It just like, I just, it's in his family.

00:21:54.220 It is his like entire genetic line, I think, to act like that. So he is the real deal.

00:21:58.180 Who, who else? Who's, who's not? Who do we have like evidence of super not the public image?

00:22:04.320 They, well, I mean, so many celebrities complain about their fans. I think literally any celebrity

00:22:09.400 that complains about their fans is probably not. Yeah. And this is something you see sort of across

00:22:14.220 stuff. Okay. Here's a great example. Megan and Harry, I guess. I was going to say,

00:22:18.000 we're talking about online celebrities. Yeah. Lindsay Ellis. I don't, I don't know who that is well enough.

00:22:25.380 Yeah. So Lindsay Ellis is the girl who was like the female film critic. Oh, the film,

00:22:32.800 the nostalgia chick. Yes. There was a nostalgia critic who's a famous guy on YouTube. And then he hired her

00:22:37.420 to be like a female version of himself for like when that was necessary in videos. And then she

00:22:42.160 spun off and did her own thing. And now she's like, she gets in fights with her. So she got in a big

00:22:47.000 fight with a bunch of fans recently. And it's been this huge thing. And I get the impression because

00:22:52.580 she really seems to be sort of antagonistic with her fans these days that she was always sort of

00:22:58.700 putting on a fake facade. Illuminati was that for sure. Gandhi? Illuminati on YouTube. Oh, Illumahati.

00:23:06.200 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely another one. Yeah. I actually think it's much more common on

00:23:10.820 the progressive side of things. And the reason why I think it's more common amongst progressive

00:23:15.760 niche influencers is because the social rules that the progressive ideal of a person puts on the way

00:23:23.720 people need to appear publicly. They're unsustainable. That you're almost always lying about something about

00:23:28.800 how you live. Yeah. You cannot indulge in your flaws and still be liked by your community.

00:23:37.560 You know, I think that we admit many things personally here or things that we have done in

00:23:42.400 the past, which demonstrate that like we are okay with accepting our flaws and that we like don't mind

00:23:48.520 them and that our community isn't going to hate us for that. Like I, you know, I can, you can mention

00:23:53.080 things you've thought in the past. I can mention, you know, things I've done in the past and, and we

00:23:57.180 don't really get that negatively judged. Whereas I think that was in that community you would be.

00:24:02.600 Yeah. Well, even for, you know, having the wrong reactions to something, a wrong opinion,

00:24:06.640 but no, who are, who are other mainstream? I guess like every celebrity who reacts poorly

00:24:11.920 in public, who, you know, like there's so many Reddit threads, which is like, oh, like Reddit,

00:24:17.040 tell us stories when you've met celebrities. And then there's all the people who are like,

00:24:19.760 God, this person was a dick at a restaurant. I guess it's kind of along those lines. 0.99

00:24:24.640 Yeah. Well, this has been a fascinating conversation to me, Simone, because I think

00:24:30.120 it provides information on, yeah, how you can see the world. And another story that I was going to

00:24:34.640 tell with Trump, which is interesting to me is if you talk about somebody not really changing,

00:24:40.260 one of, I think the most telling things about Trump is a lot of progressives will try to paint him

00:24:44.380 as like an actual racist. And it's like, if you look at the history of a lot of progressive online

00:24:50.480 influencers today, you will find that they have said like actually racist stuff in their youth,

00:24:56.080 that they use the N word and stuff like that, like in their rise to fame. You look at Trump when he's

00:25:00.720 on like Howard Stern from like 30 years ago, how did he never say once anything explicitly racist?

00:25:07.900 Like, do you think this is a man with self-control? Do you think this is a man who is capable of like

00:25:13.600 tactically putting out even a fake personality? And I think that that's been part of his saving

00:25:18.200 grace is he lacks the tactical self-restraint to persistently and over the long-term put out

00:25:25.420 a fake personality, but instead indulges in who he really is. And in many ways, people would

00:25:33.060 traditionally think of as the flaws of a personality that he really indulges in.

00:25:37.600 That's interesting. Looks like you've got a good future ahead of you then, Malcolm.

00:25:43.940 Well, let's hope. Let's hope. The political consultants don't make us take down all our

00:25:49.520 social media posts. We won't listen to them and we're not going to hire them anyway,

00:25:52.580 so don't worry about it. I love you. I love you too.

Based Camp - October 10, 2023

Do We Have a Real Relationship？

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