Based Camp - Do Women Have a Preference for Domestic Labor？

00:00:00.000 Speaking of child care duties, I have a big duty in this bear's outfit.

00:00:04.500 Okay, I'll let you do the things that you enjoy doing.

00:00:07.280 Have a good time with your little recreational task there, and I will see you shortly.

00:00:14.240 I hate you so much.

00:00:17.900 Hello, everybody.

00:00:18.980 I'm so excited to be speaking with you today, though very conflicted, because as a San Francisco

00:00:24.060 Bay Area raised woman, I was raised in blank slate-ism, and women can do everything, and 1.00

00:00:31.640 my life should be about having a career and never getting married and never having kids,

00:00:35.600 and yet today I am going to argue to you that women have no place to complain that they share 0.99

00:00:42.240 an undue burden in household tasks, because one, they choose to do more household tasks

00:00:49.260 than men, and two, they enjoy them more.

00:00:52.180 And this is backed up by both science and humor, both of which I think are very legitimate.

00:00:58.140 This episode is going to focus on that women should be in the kitchen. 1.00

00:01:04.300 Even if they have a job, they should also be in the kitchen.

00:01:07.740 What's worse, though, is that they want to be in the kitchen.

00:01:11.620 Well, so actually, Shoe on Head had a thing about this recently, where she was like doing

00:01:16.100 an episode, and she let slip, she goes, you know, all women, and of course, she didn't 0.96

00:01:20.920 mean all, she meant most women, when somebody says this, but she was definitely speaking

00:01:25.460 about herself.

00:01:26.240 They go, they want a man to take care of them and support their babies, and I was like-

00:01:31.800 I can't believe she said that. 0.94

00:01:32.900 Like, honestly, that's, I mean, it takes balls to come out and say that, is anyone. 0.89

00:01:37.260 Right.

00:01:37.720 I mean, this episode is definitely going to be one where the, you know, like, Monday,

00:01:41.840 Friday type people, the people who love to criticize conservatives for saying what is

00:01:47.120 reasonable and statistics-based, because they're like, no, but we should all live in a fantasy

00:01:51.200 world that doesn't exist.

00:01:53.200 And again, to clarify what she's saying here is women shouldn't feel forced into these

00:02:01.040 positions.

00:02:01.800 However, creating societal expectations around women not taking these positions, which we 1.00

00:02:07.660 have done as a society right now, where it is, as a woman, you feel bad if you are doing

00:02:13.200 too much of this stuff.

00:02:14.160 You are being a trad wife, and many women are like, I would never, it's a white, white 1.00

00:02:17.020 nationalist to be a trad wife, right, to cook meals and do the dishes and dress well. 1.00

00:02:22.140 And, you know, so they are going to feel bad and feel this cognitive dissonance.

00:02:27.460 Yeah, but then the problem is that the converse of this, let's say that a woman, like, politically 1.00

00:02:32.540 is like, okay, well, we have to split everything 50-50 just to make things right and proper.

00:02:37.500 As they should be, they'll be less happy, because they'd rather do a lot of these things

00:02:42.620 by the statistics.

00:02:43.660 And again, not every woman, not every woman. 0.75

00:02:45.440 We're talking about people.

00:02:45.860 But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but you'll also see going into what some of these household

00:02:51.160 labor tasks are that, like, most women would be like, oh, but, oh, well, I want to, I want 1.00

00:02:56.720 to do that.

00:02:57.900 Like, you know, home aesthetics, decorating for Christmas.

00:03:01.280 Women are like, oh, I mean, oh, you know, like, they'll be like, oh, it's such a struggle. 1.00

00:03:05.280 You know, I'm going to decorate for Valentine's Day, but like, and shopping.

00:03:09.960 Oh God, I'm so sorry.

00:03:12.300 You don't want to go shopping anymore.

00:03:13.760 That's okay.

00:03:14.480 That's okay.

00:03:15.280 So Simone, get into the data. 1.00

00:03:18.500 Yes.

00:03:18.840 So big hat tip to Diana Fleischman for cluing us into this. 1.00

00:03:21.820 The research that we're looking at this for the research portion of this episode is a

00:03:26.560 paper called Gendered Perspectives on Sharing the Load, Men's and Women's Attitude Toward Family

00:03:30.860 Roles and Household and Child Care Tasks.

00:03:33.160 One, they just sort of note the general research that broadly acknowledges this to be a truth

00:03:39.380 universal, that there's this, like, sort of mismatch between labor and desires.

00:03:44.180 They cite, for example, Miller 2020, in that young people today are holding on to traditional

00:03:49.180 views about who does what at home, and young people are no more likely than older couples

00:03:54.280 to divide household chores equitably.

00:03:56.100 So both young and old people are still kind of attracted to these traditional roles, which

00:04:01.440 should be surprising to people.

00:04:03.760 They also cite Steve Stewart Williams, who's really, I think, active on Twitter and really

00:04:09.040 interesting, that selection has equipped human females with not only the physiological 1.00

00:04:14.600 apparatus for maternal care, boobs and vaginas, I guess, but also the psychological drives that 1.00

00:04:20.560 are necessary to operate it successfully. 0.96

00:04:22.700 That is strong communal tendencies.

00:04:24.560 So women also kind of have evolved the tendency to want to take these tasks on. 1.00

00:04:30.280 And let's be clear about what is meant here, because this is clearly seen across studies

00:04:34.920 that women perform, and feminists will laud, oh, women perform better at emotional tasks, 1.00

00:04:41.860 women are better in group dynamics. 1.00

00:04:44.200 Yeah, but once it has to do with, like, home labor, they're like, oh no.

00:04:46.820 But they also, they cite Wood and Eagly in 2002 research, they point out this isn't just

00:04:53.680 like across studies, this is across cultures.

00:04:56.020 Females engage in more child care than males do in every human culture for which they're 1.00

00:05:01.140 reliable data.

00:05:02.480 So this isn't like a United States thing, it's not a trad European thing, it's not a Chinese 0.98

00:05:07.280 thing or a Mongolian thing or a Nigerian thing.

00:05:10.640 It is a thing, you know, a man-woman thing. 0.79

00:05:13.900 It also, they cited from Brennan some 2020 research, so fairly recent national data indicated

00:05:20.140 that women are more likely, 44% more likely than men at 25% to say that given the freedom

00:05:25.900 to do either, they would prefer to stay at home to take care of the house and family rather

00:05:30.260 than work outside the home.

00:05:31.500 So there's also this greater interest among women. 0.80

00:05:34.440 So this is sort of the premise into which the researchers were coming into this.

00:05:38.500 They're like, the actions have stated that women are gravitating toward the home and 0.99

00:05:44.020 they're gravitating toward childhood.

00:05:46.040 What they wanted to explore was, well, okay, so women spend more time on household labor 1.00

00:05:50.880 and child care.

00:05:51.900 Is this a product of their preference?

00:05:54.180 Because normally people are like, oh, it's culture, it's obligation. 0.99

00:05:57.840 It's because they have tits and the kids need to breath feed. 1.00

00:06:01.000 So of course they stay home. 0.99

00:06:02.080 Well, what they did was survey 323 emerging adults.

00:06:05.740 So like young adults and 113 middle-aged adults at probably being about one, how much they

00:06:11.300 like or dislike 58 different household tasks and 40 child care tasks to how they prefer

00:06:17.640 to split up each task with a partner.

00:06:19.460 Like, would you rather have your husband do this or your wife do this?

00:06:22.180 And three, how their ideal prioritization of work and family will play out.

00:06:26.480 And basically they found across both younger adults and middle-aged adults that men more

00:06:31.420 than women liked tasks involving outdoor labor and home fixes and maintenance. 1.00

00:06:36.760 And these effects were large.

00:06:37.980 We'll look at the tables together.

00:06:40.000 And two, there was not a single child care task that men liked more than women did.

00:06:46.600 Fascinating.

00:06:47.620 Well, here's what people say.

00:06:49.140 They'll say that women, they may have liked these tasks more than men, but they must have 1.00

00:06:53.180 not liked them on average.

00:06:54.280 Well, the problem, like I said earlier, like there are a bunch of these tasks in here and

00:06:59.120 we'll look at some of the tables where I'm like, I don't even think of these things as

00:07:03.300 labor, like scheduling, shopping, emotional support.

00:07:07.000 Like these are like, I don't, I wouldn't.

00:07:09.960 Women complain about emotional support being labor all the time, Simone, but let's get into 1.00

00:07:13.820 the, let's get into the charts.

00:07:15.120 I'll go into the, that's something, yo, they're always like when they're talking about like

00:07:18.700 a husband paying a housewife and they're trying to break out everything.

00:07:21.400 Oh God, the emotional labor.

00:07:23.820 They're always like being a psychologist or, you know, it's like, well, you're not being

00:07:29.440 a good psychologist, you know?

00:07:31.500 Well, okay.

00:07:32.100 What we can look at here is figure one from the research, which I sent you via WhatsApp

00:07:36.500 of how emerging and middle-aged adults felt about various tasks.

00:07:42.080 So you're going to see there's this, this spectrum of going to hate it versus going to

00:07:46.520 love it.

00:07:46.860 That's broken down by men and women. 1.00

00:07:48.500 Now there are some things that both men and women are not really into thing.

00:07:53.440 Number one, being disciplining children, both men and women lean toward going to hate it,

00:07:58.780 but actually men, which this actually surprised me.

00:08:03.000 Men are going to hate discipline more than women. 0.93

00:08:05.560 Like women are more chill about discipline. 1.00

00:08:08.180 What do you think's going on there, Malcolm?

00:08:11.260 This is, you know, it's with younger men.

00:08:13.220 Middle-aged men actually are neutral, which is interesting. 0.96

00:08:15.440 What, did they like grow balls when they grew older or something? 0.87

00:08:18.320 No, I think it's this younger generation of men has been raised to be very afraid of 0.96

00:08:23.420 doing anything that they see as violent.

00:08:25.380 Because they're all seeing therapists.

00:08:26.820 That's got to be it.

00:08:27.460 Well, not just that, but the stigmatization of a man in any way touching a child in a way

00:08:33.780 that could be seen as like disciplinary.

00:08:36.300 This isn't even corporal punishment, though.

00:08:37.940 This could be like...

00:08:38.760 Right, right.

00:08:39.300 But engaging was, I mean, remember, I've had crowds freak out on me for just being

00:08:42.680 turned with my kids.

00:08:43.680 Yeah, that's true.

00:08:44.280 But they are taught that because they are men, they are not allowed to engage with children

00:08:50.100 in this way.

00:08:51.180 Yeah.

00:08:51.380 And they face negative repercussions for it in society.

00:08:54.940 And I think that that's what you're seeing in this chart right here.

00:08:57.460 Yeah.

00:08:57.880 And then we have...

00:08:58.800 Seeing in the older crowd is that men historically did take on this role of disciplining children.

00:09:03.300 And we're more okay with it, whereas women... 1.00

00:09:04.940 And it's interesting here, if you looked at this historic men disciplining children, that

00:09:09.200 was out of everything in the entire chart that if you're looking at like the average hate

00:09:16.540 amount, because people are like, well, women don't like doing these things on average. 1.00

00:09:20.060 It's just they like doing them more than men.

00:09:22.100 No, that's not actually true.

00:09:23.300 Women do like doing these things on average. 1.00

00:09:25.600 And the only one where both men and women dislike doing it on average, men are the one 0.88

00:09:30.880 who adopt the responsibility.

00:09:32.720 This is childcare.

00:09:34.000 The one potential alternative...

00:09:36.060 You mean discipline?

00:09:37.460 You mean discipline?

00:09:38.400 Yeah.

00:09:39.040 It's scheduling and coordination, but where women... 1.00

00:09:41.820 In here, I'm looking at the older age range, where women do take it on. 1.00

00:09:45.560 It's interesting that the older...

00:09:46.460 And men are like, I freaking hate scheduling.

00:09:48.780 That is so you, Malcolm. 0.91

00:09:50.100 That is incredibly you.

00:09:51.080 There's one other area where, and this is only for middle-aged adults, men are more excited

00:09:57.660 about a childcare-related task than women.

00:10:00.260 That is to say, like, more men, slightly on average, reported they were going to love

00:10:05.060 cognitive support than younger women.

00:10:07.480 Here's my take on this, is when we're looking at emerging adults, they have younger children.

00:10:13.000 And when we're looking at middle-aged adults, they're more likely to have kids who are

00:10:16.020 seven years old, 13 years old.

00:10:18.300 And I kind of feel like men get more excited about providing emotional support and, like,

00:10:25.180 mentoring to kids once they get older.

00:10:28.980 What's your thought there?

00:10:29.880 Do you think that resonates?

00:10:31.460 What?

00:10:32.200 Women... 1.00

00:10:32.880 The reason why men are slightly more excited, middle-aged men are slightly more excited about

00:10:39.720 cognitive support than women in this study is because specifically they have older kids 0.80

00:10:44.580 by the time they're middle-aged.

00:10:45.800 Oh, I imagine.

00:10:46.480 I really like interacting with older kids at a cognitive level, and I know from a lot

00:10:53.080 of men I've talked to, they do, too.

00:10:54.560 Yeah.

00:10:54.960 Like, when a kid hits that, like, 10-year-old range, they become really...

00:10:57.820 Yeah.

00:10:57.840 No, like, seven to ten.

00:10:59.000 That's when they're brilliant.

00:10:59.840 Before puberty hits, when they're still, like, really, really smart.

00:11:02.900 I think that's the sweet spot.

00:11:05.660 But, yeah, I mean, I thought...

00:11:06.800 But, like, you look down here.

00:11:08.220 So, scheduling and coordinating, shopping, like, this is, you know, it's such, like,

00:11:14.160 women, I feel like most women would be, like, really pissed if they, like, if they were blocked 1.00

00:11:19.400 from doing this.

00:11:20.560 They would act as though it was an act of, like, disempowerment.

00:11:23.800 My God, if you managed our schedule, I don't know if we'd have a marriage, you know?

00:11:27.700 Because I freak out when people do any of that.

00:11:30.820 So, I thought that was really interesting.

00:11:34.200 I'm checking figure two to see if there's...

00:11:36.940 Okay, yeah, actually, so it's interesting.

00:11:39.160 If you look at figure two, you'll see how the emerging and middle-aged participants of

00:11:44.740 this research wanted to divide labor.

00:11:48.420 You know, if women... 1.00

00:11:49.580 You can sort of see where women wanted men to do more stuff.

00:11:54.140 Actually, wow.

00:11:55.140 The only time women want men to do a child care task more than themselves is with discipline 1.00

00:12:04.460 when they're younger.

00:12:05.300 We're looking now at figure two, which shows the share of work, essentially, that each person

00:12:11.460 wants the other partner to do.

00:12:12.860 Either, like, I always want myself to do this, or I always want my partner to do this.

00:12:17.040 The only instance in which women, and in this case, it's only young women, would slightly

00:12:23.180 prefer that their partner always do something, is discipline.

00:12:26.820 This is the same cohort where, actually, the men...

00:12:30.000 But the men are willing to take on the task.

00:12:32.620 If you see younger and older, men are willing to take on the task of discipline.

00:12:38.040 And, yeah.

00:12:38.980 So, that is really fascinating.

00:12:41.260 It's only in the task that nobody wants to do that men end up doing it.

00:12:45.360 And in the tasks that most people want to do, it's just that women want to do them more. 1.00

00:12:49.140 Yeah.

00:12:50.040 Yeah.

00:12:50.420 And men, for the rest of things, also, like, would prefer that their partner, slightly,

00:12:56.140 not hugely, that they would...

00:12:58.040 Men would prefer that their partner do the scheduling and the shopping. 1.00

00:13:02.140 This preference actually increases with age for men.

00:13:05.860 Yeah.

00:13:06.060 And then the preference in the opposite direction, women being like, no, I really want to do the 1.00

00:13:09.460 scheduling and shopping, also increases with gravity as age increases.

00:13:13.980 With the rest of things, like nighttime care, emotional support, the preference for self

00:13:19.960 versus partner is actually quite slight.

00:13:22.560 But when it comes to scheduling and coordinating and shopping, it's very interesting to see

00:13:27.220 that as people get older, they're more, like, set in their gender roles, which is super

00:13:31.660 interesting.

00:13:32.060 As a side note here, I really think all of this needs to be considered in the context of

00:13:37.060 the famous paper, The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness, that looked at how as women

00:13:43.080 received, quote unquote, more rights or as feminism, quote unquote, was winning more, females, when 1.00

00:13:49.000 compared to men, became less satisfied with their lives.

00:13:53.060 Specifically, if you go back to the 1970s, females were significantly more satisfied with 1.00

00:13:59.460 their lives than men, and as time goes on, both male and female satisfaction begins to

00:14:05.060 drop, but female satisfaction drops further to the point where in the 1990s, women were 0.95

00:14:12.820 both on and net unhappy with their lives and dramatically less happy with their lives than

00:14:18.340 men were.

00:14:18.980 While there are many explanations for this, the stance that we're talking about here could

00:14:24.080 explain this.

00:14:25.520 Specifically, women are forcing themselves to do things they don't like because it creates 1.00

00:14:30.380 cognitive dissonance with the female ideal of what a woman should like to do or be.

00:14:36.400 Now, this next one I find interesting, because it looks at how much they enjoy various tasks,

00:14:43.760 and here we're seeing a number of tasks that men prefer to do.

00:14:46.660 Now, we're switching from child care to household tasks, so we're looking at things like home

00:14:51.100 fixes and maintenance, outdoor labor, finances, indoor cleaning, gardening, food prep, family

00:14:56.540 scheduling, and home aesthetics.

00:15:00.220 And you see that men really prefer to do tasks, and do enjoy tasks, and women disenjoy these 0.97

00:15:07.840 tasks, like home maintenance and fixing, outdoor labor, finances.

00:15:12.680 Finances are really interesting.

00:15:15.180 Essentially, young women especially, are going to hate managing finances, and men kind of

00:15:20.720 hate it, but probably then I guess would end up doing more of it.

00:15:23.720 And then you get to middle age, and men actually don't seem to hate managing finances as much,

00:15:27.520 maybe because they get more wealthy.

00:15:29.340 I kind of feel like it's because they're further on in their career.

00:15:31.860 Like, it's less about managing debt and more about managing wealth.

00:15:35.760 I think it's because they are more old school, just because they're older and they grew up

00:15:41.160 in a different generation.

00:15:42.460 I don't know.

00:15:42.920 There was no stigma on that.

00:15:44.460 As we figured out, historically, women often manage the family's finances. 1.00

00:15:48.040 Yeah, this really surprised me.

00:15:49.760 Like, the one thing that I expected to be a woman's thing, for sure, was finances. 1.00

00:15:54.960 And I also had thought of it as a traditional thing, just like you did.

00:15:57.580 So I was quite surprised by this.

00:15:59.180 What's really interesting here is if you look at the things that women are doing versus 1.00

00:16:03.120 things that men are doing, like the things that men are doing specifically, like home

00:16:06.220 maintenance, outdoor labor, this is stereotypical male labor. 0.80

00:16:12.380 This is the patriarchy, they would say.

00:16:15.520 Dividing a house in the way that is the default preference for both parties is, as the one reporter

00:16:23.620 who did the piece on us, like, oh my god, I can't believe she's so oppressed. 0.98

00:16:27.900 She's so living this horrible life. 0.64

00:16:31.800 And all of this hatred is just people, you know, as I said, I think it's against, quote

00:16:38.720 unquote, trad wives.

00:16:40.300 I think in the looser sense, rather than the very strict, if you trad wife, then everything 0.55

00:16:44.340 will be okay, which I'm again.

00:16:46.040 Yeah.

00:16:46.220 But the idea of a traditional gender structure in a household, which they'll call trad wives,

00:16:51.320 is so deleterious to them.

00:16:56.720 And likely, I mean, if you look at this chart of preferences, if you're like, huh, why do

00:17:02.320 progressives have such higher rates of mental illness, and also experiment with ways of

00:17:07.040 structuring their family that don't lean into the traditional gender roles? 0.99

00:17:10.320 Because this very chart explains that.

00:17:13.160 Yeah, like, they're actively choosing to not do stuff that they probably love doing, which

00:17:18.400 is interesting.

00:17:19.620 Here's one that surprised me, gardening.

00:17:22.640 Gardening?

00:17:23.280 What, you thought that'd be a dude thing?

00:17:25.340 It becomes a dude thing with age.

00:17:28.120 Yeah, it does become a dude thing with age.

00:17:29.760 Yeah, I think Winston Churchill had his whole gardening era, his gardening and painting era,

00:17:34.540 didn't he?

00:17:34.900 People who don't know, I'm big into gardening.

00:17:37.940 I could tell you so much about gardening.

00:17:40.060 Yeah, I'm negative on gardening.

00:17:41.900 And yeah, yeah, yeah, there's some things here where I'm like, I don't know, but like,

00:17:45.380 whatever.

00:17:46.260 I'm trying to think, like, to my traditional tropes on gardening, and it was traditionally

00:17:50.360 more of a male pursuit.

00:17:52.260 All the, like, landscaping architects I can think of historically were male.

00:17:55.660 Then there's Winston Churchill.

00:17:56.780 And even in storybooks, like Peter Rabbit, it's Mr. McGregor's garden, all right?

00:18:02.100 Mrs. McGregor may have cooked Peter Rabbit's father into a stew, but it was Mr. McGregor

00:18:09.860 who is tending to his cabbages, all right?

00:18:12.880 You know, and he was the one who killed Peter Rabbit's father.

00:18:16.000 He was out in the garden.

00:18:16.740 Here's what I wonder about this, because this actually is interesting to me, because gardening

00:18:20.660 falls as outdoor labor.

00:18:23.040 I would actually guess that these numbers are not wrong.

00:18:26.280 If I'm thinking from an evolutionary perspective, women were much more likely to stay at home 1.00

00:18:32.220 while men went out on big risk, big reward things, whether that was raiding other settlements

00:18:37.680 or going on big game hunts, et cetera.

00:18:40.300 You're talking about, like, the vast majority of human evolution, which is that women would 1.00

00:18:43.960 have been tending the farm more.

00:18:46.120 Yeah.

00:18:46.340 Like, so, oh, yeah.

00:18:47.380 Great example.

00:18:48.280 Abigail Adams, right?

00:18:49.460 I mean, John Adams was, like, never home for a huge portion of his career.

00:18:53.340 However, within France, he was out in meetings.

00:18:56.380 He was, like, forming America, and she was holding down the fort, you know, getting experimental 0.54

00:19:00.660 smallpox vaccines and taking care of their land.

00:19:03.480 I'm sure they had some staff, but, like, still, I don't know.

00:19:06.380 But anyway, it's, yeah, there's some surprises here, but most of it makes sense.

00:19:10.100 You know, men take to the outside. 1.00

00:19:11.960 They fix the big stuff.

00:19:13.340 Women like this granular stuff. 1.00

00:19:15.740 Food prep, to me, is kind of interesting, because when you look at the food industry, like,

00:19:19.780 when it comes to high cuisine, most famous chefs and sous chefs and whatnot are, like,

00:19:24.280 are male.

00:19:24.980 And I've always seen kitchens, from, like, a commercial standpoint, as being a highly

00:19:28.780 masculine environment.

00:19:30.480 So, I don't know.

00:19:31.340 When I think about cooking, I actually really, really think about men, but maybe that's only

00:19:34.540 elite cooking, and then, like, basic cooking as a woman thing. 1.00

00:19:37.920 I don't know.

00:19:38.380 I don't know.

00:19:38.720 My dad cooked a ton at home.

00:19:40.240 And also, interestingly, my dad did all the shopping.

00:19:44.360 So, and a lot of the cleaning, too.

00:19:46.860 And he's not a girly man.

00:19:48.320 And so, I don't know.

00:19:49.900 I mean, like, of course, caveat, caveat, all of this is on average.

00:19:54.300 Everyone deviates a little bit.

00:19:55.960 No one adheres to this full, like, completely.

00:19:58.320 But at the same time, Malcolm's point stands, which is that, like, a lot of people who politically

00:20:03.340 avoid leaning into these things because they feel like ideologically it's wrong or that

00:20:08.140 they're all societal fantasies and not actual inbuilt tendencies and preferences are going

00:20:14.020 to make themselves more miserable.

00:20:15.240 And it's maybe showing up in the mental health data that we're facing.

00:20:19.760 So, when you, when you, so now we can look at finally figure four, which is sort of showing

00:20:23.900 how people wish to divide these tasks.

00:20:26.460 And it's very clear that women really prefer that men do the home maintenance and finance

00:20:33.000 and home fixes and maintenance.

00:20:35.520 And men are like, yeah, I prefer to do it.

00:20:37.500 Same with outdoor labor. 0.97

00:20:38.680 Similar with finances, which is interesting.

00:20:40.340 I mean, our reversal there is that I do all the finances and you do all the deciding,

00:20:44.260 but I do all the execution.

00:20:45.360 So, maybe it's mixed.

00:20:46.360 Are you looking at another chart now?

00:20:47.580 I'm looking at figure four.

00:20:48.620 Yeah.

00:20:48.820 Figure four is the last figure here.

00:20:51.240 Okay.

00:20:51.640 And this is about preferred tasks.

00:20:54.080 Yeah.

00:20:54.400 And they have much higher preference here.

00:20:56.180 Yeah.

00:20:57.280 Yeah.

00:20:58.300 The one area where there's a really profound difference in age is that young or emerging

00:21:02.100 adults are, well, at least young men are far less likely to be like, I'm only going to have 1.00

00:21:08.960 my wife decorate and do home aesthetics. 1.00

00:21:11.980 I think men are getting more interested in home aesthetics, like in younger generations.

00:21:16.980 And women have, both young and older women are more like already entrenched in their feeling 0.99

00:21:21.940 of ownership of home aesthetics.

00:21:23.800 I actually feel like the home aesthetics is about men conceding over time.

00:21:29.420 Oh yeah.

00:21:30.680 It's just like over time.

00:21:31.500 It's like, I'm going to give up.

00:21:32.680 Like, she's, she's got this Christmas thing and I'm not going to get in the way of it.

00:21:36.900 She wants to do X.

00:21:37.040 She wants to do Y.

00:21:38.080 I do not care about this particular battle.

00:21:40.960 But here's where I get kind of confused.

00:21:42.580 It's like, there were these stereotypes of, what is it?

00:21:45.060 The so-and-so's family Christmas, the van, whatever.

00:21:50.820 Come on.

00:21:51.360 Like, what's the, like with the guy getting electrocuted by Christmas lights and being obsessed

00:21:54.800 with setting up with the Christmas lights.

00:21:56.020 Like, there is a common American trope of dad being obsessed with Christmas decorations.

00:22:01.600 And that's where I'm getting a little confused by this.

00:22:03.680 You see National Lampoon's family vacation, but they never, they never did.

00:22:07.220 The man didn't decorate.

00:22:09.060 He'd do like outdoor decoration.

00:22:11.020 Like the-

00:22:11.340 Ah, so that falls under home maintenance and fixes.

00:22:14.660 Okay.

00:22:15.040 All right.

00:22:15.380 All right.

00:22:15.680 Let me explain that.

00:22:16.100 I mean, he clearly did it as like a home maintenance type of project, not as an indoor decoration type

00:22:21.440 of project.

00:22:22.320 Okay.

00:22:22.840 That's, that's fair.

00:22:26.520 That's fair.

00:22:27.060 So I think that what you're seeing here is just the typical retreat of the male.

00:22:33.580 Okay.

00:22:34.020 Yeah.

00:22:34.400 Everything makes sense.

00:22:35.140 And I think that this, this, this study is good.

00:22:37.220 And basically the finding that they had that is really important and a great contribution

00:22:40.920 to the research is this isn't just societal.

00:22:44.020 This isn't just the fact that like men are stronger.

00:22:46.680 So lifting trees outdoors is easier and women have breasts, so it's easier to stay at home 1.00

00:22:50.960 and, and feed the children, right?

00:22:52.800 It's, it's also that they kind of prefer these things.

00:22:55.260 And I think that's a really helpful finding, but I think there are many more elements to

00:22:59.160 this that have been missed and that you can find using a version of natural experiment

00:23:04.960 that I may overweigh in terms of my standard of evidence.

00:23:09.320 You can tell me if you agree with this, but-

00:23:10.860 No, not overweigh.

00:23:11.680 Memes are not overweighed.

00:23:13.300 So-

00:23:13.340 Because this is my, here's, here's my thing.

00:23:15.000 Just let me make my pitch to you, base campers out there listening somewhere.

00:23:20.020 I think that if there is a joke online or a meme online, and it has a lot of likes or

00:23:25.800 a lot of views, that means that it indicates a level of truth that really resonates with

00:23:30.380 people.

00:23:30.900 And it wouldn't get a lot of traction if it wasn't like true because Malcolm's theory,

00:23:35.260 which I think is very, very robust about humor is that we laugh at things because it's

00:23:39.260 kind of surprising or unexpected, but it totally makes sense.

00:23:42.500 So I think that there's a bunch of like sort of very common joke tropes that I keep seeing

00:23:49.240 on, I mean, I'm only looking at like YouTube shorts and Instagram reels, but they're also

00:23:54.680 on TikTok because they're originally from TikTok that I think are really indicative of additional

00:23:59.120 reasons why women disproportionately do childcare and household labor. 0.99

00:24:03.320 So I'm going to start off by sending you a clip from Micah and Sarah.

00:24:08.260 Hi!

00:24:09.060 Hi!

00:24:09.900 Oh, come on in.

00:24:11.380 How are the travels?

00:24:12.300 Easy.

00:24:12.900 Good.

00:24:13.440 Yeah.

00:24:13.980 Well, this is our place.

00:24:15.820 Really?

00:24:16.400 Sorry, it's a little messier than usual.

00:24:18.400 We need to set unrealistic expectations of how we live!

00:24:22.760 This place needs to be spotless!

00:24:25.120 Everything needs to go!

00:24:26.420 Everything needs to go!

00:24:27.600 What needs to go?

00:24:27.920 There should be no trash in the trash can! 0.98

00:24:30.980 I want them questioning if the bin is even real!

00:24:33.640 Oh gosh, that is so you when we, not when we have guests over, when we have the cleaner

00:24:39.420 over.

00:24:41.000 Like if we, we don't have a cleaner, but we have occasionally splurged on a cleaner like

00:24:45.140 once every three years or something.

00:24:47.100 Yeah.

00:24:47.260 And you will have a spasm about the house and not being clean enough.

00:24:51.260 No, I mean, also when we have guests, but like, yeah, no, I, this is, and here's, here's

00:24:56.160 the truth that I think this reveals because this so resonates and I mean, I'm not alone.

00:25:01.100 Like this has been liked by over 140,000 people.

00:25:05.460 Women fear judgment more. 1.00

00:25:07.320 They're, this, this was not captured in the research.

00:25:11.260 Women are like, they do not want to be judged. 1.00

00:25:14.920 Like they don't want, yeah, like I know this feeling of like, I don't want anyone to think

00:25:18.820 that I've ever used my trash can.

00:25:20.560 Like this is, this is an embarrassment.

00:25:23.200 Like, and even when, when we have guests, I'm like, oh my God, like, I can't believe

00:25:27.080 they can see that.

00:25:27.640 But why can't you apply logic to that and be like, this is.

00:25:29.860 I can't, I can't.

00:25:31.280 And that's, that's one of those other things that I think is inbuilt.

00:25:33.500 Like there are these inbuilt preferences.

00:25:35.440 And I think again, when women actually. 1.00

00:25:37.420 She's saying is that women lack a capacity for rationality. 1.00

00:25:41.820 They are panicky, irrational beings that should be in cages like little birds. 0.99

00:25:48.820 Or they'll, or their little hearts will beat till they die from, from.

00:25:53.440 This dress is real though.

00:25:54.660 Like I, I, I cannot deal with it.

00:25:57.420 And so like, yes, I think, but I think this is a very important factor that is underrated

00:26:02.300 that again, would explain this.

00:26:03.900 And it's not something that women can help. 1.00

00:26:06.340 It also means that like kind of women have to, if you want, if you want to not feel the 1.00

00:26:11.120 pain, you're going to have to do some more work cleaning. 0.99

00:26:13.580 I don't know what to tell you.

00:26:14.660 So, but, but this isn't just a loss of rationality.

00:26:17.740 And I'm going to give you two examples with this, which just kind of exemplify that both,

00:26:22.140 especially with childcare, but also with house, house care, women just don't want to deal 1.00

00:26:26.860 with the fallout.

00:26:28.180 So here's clip one for you to take a look at.

00:26:30.440 So, I mean, we've, we've had days like this.

00:26:44.140 In fact, I might send, I might send you a clip of like that video I took of you just

00:26:48.040 after a couple of hours of you watching the kids and what the room looked like.

00:26:52.020 Like, I think it's accurate.

00:26:53.300 Like, and that's just a typical.

00:26:54.660 I'd be like sitting back watching TV.

00:26:56.540 I'm like, Hey, the kids are fine.

00:26:58.140 It's on the ground.

00:27:00.120 Like the floor is just covered with stuff.

00:27:03.300 Yeah.

00:27:03.780 I, I think maybe the kids are alive and I'll clean up what you want me to.

00:27:08.000 But yeah, I mean, like, that's the thing is, is women don't want to deal with the fallout 1.00

00:27:12.180 and also men and women have like distinctly different parenting styles.

00:27:17.600 And I think sometimes women are just like, what the kids need now is not daddy parenting. 1.00

00:27:22.520 So I'm going to give you another clip that I think exemplifies that.

00:27:26.240 Take a look.

00:27:26.880 Take a look at that one.

00:27:27.880 Take a look.

00:27:28.880 Take a look.

00:27:29.880 Take a look.

00:27:30.880 Take a look.

00:27:31.880 Very warm at bedtime.

00:27:32.880 Uh huh.

00:27:33.880 Yeah.

00:27:34.880 You always get so mad at me at bedtime.

00:27:36.880 You're like, you just got this riled up.

00:27:39.880 Yeah.

00:27:40.880 For people who are watching this on audio, the mom's like kneeling and like rubbing 0.90

00:27:44.880 the baby's head and whispering to it and the dad's twirling it around in the covers.

00:27:48.880 Um, and like, like a theme park ride.

00:27:51.880 I do know that when I'm with the kids at night, they're always like 20 times more excited

00:27:56.860 by the end of that.

00:27:57.860 Yeah.

00:27:58.860 Yeah.

00:27:59.860 I'm like, can you please put the kids to bed?

00:28:00.860 And then they're like.

00:28:01.860 And I'm, I'm downstairs leading a revolution.

00:28:04.860 Yeah.

00:28:05.860 And I can like, I can like literally feel the house shake as they, you know.

00:28:09.860 So I think that this is another factor as proven by views of humorous videos of why women 1.00

00:28:16.860 sometimes just choose to take on the burden, even when they don't want to.

00:28:20.860 They're like, I just, I don't want to deal with the fallout.

00:28:22.860 So there's this social judgment.

00:28:24.860 There is the fallout here where if you are saying to the man, well, then you should do

00:28:30.860 it in a way where the wife doesn't have to deal with the fallout. 1.00

00:28:32.860 The problem is, is the fallout that she is afraid of having to deal with is not an intrinsically

00:28:40.860 negative outcome.

00:28:41.860 It is only negative from the perspective of a feminine preference.

00:28:45.860 A feminine preference. 0.76

00:28:46.860 Yeah.

00:28:47.860 I am not having a bad time.

00:28:49.860 The kids are clearly loving it.

00:28:51.860 They're thrilled.

00:28:52.860 They're having a great time.

00:28:53.860 It's just the mother, unless she's responsible for cleaning up. 1.00

00:28:56.860 Although I will pause it.

00:28:57.860 I will submit for the jury's consideration.

00:29:01.860 Another exhibit, which is that men sometimes just literally have such low standards that

00:29:06.860 even if they tried to meet women's standards, like they would fail. 0.88

00:29:10.860 And I think this exemplifies your standards with cleanliness quite well.

00:29:14.860 So I'm just going to have you take a look at this YouTube short here.

00:29:17.860 This is how women can tell if their clothes are clean. 1.00

00:29:21.860 They're clean.

00:29:22.860 Some men do.

00:29:26.860 Oh yeah, it's clean.

00:29:27.860 Did you catch it?

00:29:28.860 Yes, of course.

00:29:29.860 So this is a man like saying how men and women, just for if you're listening audio only,

00:29:34.860 seeing how things are clean.

00:29:35.860 He, he pulled, like it's clearly a man in his own environment because he's in this filthy

00:29:39.860 room.

00:29:40.860 He pulls like a garment out of a drawer and like looks at, and he's like, it's clean.

00:29:43.860 And that's how like women judge that something's clean. 1.00

00:29:45.860 And then he picks like some kind of garment off the floor, snips it.

00:29:49.860 Then like some like kind of like dripping piece of mucus attaches to his face from the

00:29:54.860 garment.

00:29:55.860 And he's like, it's clean.

00:29:56.860 And that is, that is you with clothing.

00:29:58.860 Like, if they smell bad, they're not clean.

00:30:02.860 If the clothes still smells good, then it's clean.

00:30:05.860 This is not even about cleanliness.

00:30:08.860 This is about the purpose of washing clothing.

00:30:11.860 And the, the lifetime value of clothing, because clothing falls apart if you wash it too frequently.

00:30:18.860 So you really should.

00:30:20.860 If you buy, if you buy cheap clothing on Shein, which we don't do.

00:30:23.860 No, no, no.

00:30:24.860 This is true of all.

00:30:25.860 This is true of a nice suit.

00:30:26.860 This is true of jeans.

00:30:28.860 This is true of everything.

00:30:29.860 Everything is a shelf life.

00:30:31.860 Hmm.

00:30:32.860 If you just wash something, whenever you feel like it, you might as well be lighting clothes

00:30:37.860 on fire.

00:30:38.860 That is a completely wasteful action.

00:30:41.860 Yeah.

00:30:42.860 You know what?

00:30:43.860 There, there used to be this kid in my, in my middle school class, really, really nice

00:30:46.860 guy.

00:30:47.860 Everyone can hated him.

00:30:48.860 And you know why?

00:30:49.860 Because he smelled so bad.

00:30:51.860 Because he wasn't smelling the clothing as I pointed out.

00:30:56.860 This is why you need to smell.

00:30:59.860 That's the purpose of cleaning. 0.95

00:31:01.860 I think he would smell lunch to it.

00:31:03.860 And he took, he took showers like multiple times every day, but he wanted his, his nice

00:31:07.860 sports clothing to save the theme.

00:31:10.860 Yeah.

00:31:11.860 And this is my, this is why you smell.

00:31:14.860 So, you know, but I think.

00:31:16.860 I don't, I don't think he was able to smell.

00:31:18.860 That's the thing.

00:31:19.860 Smell tests only work.

00:31:21.860 Sorry.

00:31:22.860 Hold on.

00:31:23.860 Smell tests only work when you're not smell blind, Malcolm.

00:31:27.860 So I'm just saying, listen, I'm sorry.

00:31:30.860 The audience for the most part has been everything with me.

00:31:32.860 And I, of course I will say there are many exceptional male outliers on this.

00:31:38.860 I had friends in college who, okay.

00:31:41.860 Admittedly had severe OCD, but we're way cleaner than I was.

00:31:45.860 So, I mean, yes, there are absolutely men who are clean, but yeah, anyway, I will also

00:31:50.860 say though, and I think this is a really interesting example, like given these tropes

00:31:54.860 of men and given that some men are actually exceptionally clean or good at doing household

00:31:58.860 tasks and organizing that just like with sex, we talk about how, for example, there's

00:32:03.860 sort of like a market shortage of dominance.

00:32:06.860 So if you're willing to be a dom as a male or female, you kind of have a huge advantage

00:32:10.860 on sexual marketplaces.

00:32:12.860 What we're seeing is actually a similar thing here in some circumstances that actually being

00:32:18.860 a man who organizes and cleans up and like does.

00:32:24.860 I disagree on this in the extreme.

00:32:25.860 You are now taking the jobs that females have a stated and shown preference for having. 0.98

00:32:30.860 I disagree.

00:32:31.860 So let me, let me at least submit to your consideration an Instagram account.

00:32:35.860 He, I think he's also on YouTube.

00:32:36.860 There's a guy named Mason Smith.

00:32:37.860 There is a reason that the metrosexual male did not last.

00:32:39.860 This is the guy named Mason Smith.

00:32:40.860 He goes by dad social.

00:32:41.860 That's his tag.

00:32:42.860 Okay.

00:32:43.860 Okay.

00:32:44.860 Okay.

00:32:45.860 And I'm sending you like one example of like a typical clip he does.

00:32:52.860 The look on her face at the end is what my dreams are made of.

00:32:55.860 Recently my wife's been talking about how she wants to get into cooking more.

00:32:58.860 And I thought this was the perfect place to start.

00:33:00.860 And what, what makes a Mason Smith have a big audience? 0.77

00:33:05.860 Basically it's, you know how like there's been all these jokes that like women porn is

00:33:12.860 like men being like, I'm going to listen to you and nod and say, Oh, that sounds terrible

00:33:17.860 and not give any advice.

00:33:19.860 Hello there.

00:33:20.860 Well, hello.

00:33:21.860 How was your day?

00:33:22.860 Do you need to talk?

00:33:24.860 Cause I'll just listen patiently and say things like, how annoying.

00:33:29.860 She's clearly jealous of you. 0.99

00:33:32.860 And well, it's his loss for just $24.95 an hour.

00:33:38.860 Yes, please.

00:33:40.860 It's the yellow button, sweetie. 0.96

00:33:43.860 We're like, I understand that this is women porn. 1.00

00:33:48.860 I understand that women watch this and think, Oh, this is so great to watch. 0.99

00:33:52.860 Cause I like watching an attractive man.

00:33:54.860 And I like watching organizing stuff.

00:33:56.860 This is not who women like to marry. 1.00

00:33:59.860 Hmm.

00:34:00.860 You are conflating two incorrect things.

00:34:03.860 You are the guy watching the girl on the stripper pole and seeing all the other guys

00:34:09.860 like the girl on the stripper pole and being like, Whoa, she'd make a great wife. 1.00

00:34:12.860 And the guy next to him was like, no, she wouldn't.

00:34:15.860 She is literally the antithesis of what would make a good wife. 1.00

00:34:20.860 And every other guy in this room knows that.

00:34:22.860 And you're saying he's like, he's a, he's a fantasy.

00:34:24.860 Cause he's sort of two things at once.

00:34:26.860 Like a fit male plus doing, doing a thing that women like anyway. 0.85

00:34:31.860 Okay.

00:34:32.860 Well this kind of actually.

00:34:33.860 Yeah.

00:34:34.860 This, this, this, this actually does dovetail with my final argument, which is that women 1.00

00:34:38.860 are this.

00:34:39.860 I think there, there might be some kind of, and we talk about this again in the

00:34:43.860 pragmatist guide to sexuality is concept of super stimuli.

00:34:45.860 We're like, let's say that like a bird has evolved over time to sit on blue objects.

00:34:50.860 Cause it's eggs happen to be blue and it needs to evolutionarily like someone's nest.

00:34:55.860 So, you know, the eggs can incubate properly.

00:34:57.860 But then if you give it like blue rocks that are more blue than its own eggs, it's going

00:35:00.860 to fit on those blue rocks.

00:35:01.860 So that's a super similar life.

00:35:03.860 And I kind of have this feeling that there are some forms of cleaning related social media

00:35:09.860 that, that indicate the presence of a, like a instinctual super stimuli.

00:35:16.860 And I bet you that no male watches these.

00:35:19.860 No, I know.

00:35:20.860 Are you familiar with clean talk?

00:35:22.860 No.

00:35:23.860 Okay.

00:35:24.860 No, no male is familiar with clean talk because women are programmed to clean the house. 1.00

00:35:29.860 I'm sorry.

00:35:30.860 I don't mean to be like, look at a woman could be like, this is a very offensive thing to 1.00

00:35:35.860 say.

00:35:36.860 And I'd say, well, then give me the gender breakdown on who watches clean talk. 1.00

00:35:39.860 And they're like, well, that doesn't count.

00:35:41.860 And I'm like, how does that not count women?

00:35:43.860 I know.

00:35:44.860 I know.

00:35:45.860 I know.

00:35:46.860 I've given you an example of what clean talk looks like.

00:35:49.860 It's, it's from a YouTube short, but I don't have TikTok.

00:35:51.860 So that's why it's, it is actually one of TikTok's largest and fastest growing communities.

00:35:56.860 It has the hashtag clean talk has amassed over 150 billion views, making it one of the

00:36:02.860 platforms most popular genres and adjacent hashtags, hashtags like hashtag cleaning have 63.2 billion

00:36:09.860 views.

00:36:10.860 Hashtag cleaning hacks has 11.4 billion views.

00:36:23.860 The genre for somebody who enjoys cleaning.

00:36:26.860 And so I mean, this also like this, this, this is very much like, to me, a sign of demonstrated

00:36:35.860 instinctual, like, like almost porn level reaction to a stimulus of like, Oh, clean.

00:36:44.860 Yeah.

00:36:45.860 Is porn. 0.99

00:36:46.860 You are. 0.97

00:36:47.860 Yes.

00:36:48.860 That's, but the important thing is that porn is related to a deeply that instinctual urge.

00:36:57.860 And I, I'm arguing that here is proof that cleaning for women is also a deeply set instinct.

00:37:06.860 So I am doing you a favor when I allow you to, to, to burden me with not having to clean the house.

00:37:16.860 And you in your spare time, instead of learning something new about the world, instead of exploring reality or politics or what's happening in society.

00:37:26.860 Despite the fact that from my Raynaud's in the cold, my fingers are so swollen that I can barely strip a bed from sheath.

00:37:33.860 And you are, you are watching other women and men clean things recreationally.

00:37:43.860 And yet there are women out there. 1.00

00:37:46.860 I don't consume clean talk content.

00:37:49.860 The privilege I bestow to you.

00:37:55.860 Of cleaning our house.

00:37:58.860 Lucky me.

00:38:00.860 I want to say huge things to Diana Fleischman for sending us this topic.

00:38:03.860 She is the best.

00:38:04.860 And also getting us in trouble with all of these, these, these, these, the fascist wokies. 0.99

00:38:09.860 She has a book coming out, how to train your boyfriend, which she is finishing in mere days, Diana, days.

00:38:17.860 And I'm sure as soon as she's been pushing her on this, she's going to finish it in mere days.

00:38:23.860 And you should, you know, look out for a pre-order and make a pre-order.

00:38:29.860 It's going to be a spicy and delicious book on how to manipulate men from a science-based perspective.

00:38:36.860 You know, none of this will, you know, like old housewife things.

00:38:39.860 Well, everyone knows you are the true master at male manipulation.

00:38:42.860 Everyone always asks, oh, who wears, in the, in the Dad Saves America show where both of us are talking, they go, who wears the pants in that relationship?

00:38:51.860 And in the car-

00:38:52.860 Here's the ironic thing though.

00:38:53.860 Like my autistic mind always goes immediately to like, well, what's the empirical truth?

00:38:58.860 Yeah.

00:38:59.860 Let's be honest, Malcolm.

00:39:00.860 You like to go commando in our house all the time, even when it's 50 degrees in the house.

00:39:05.860 I actually think I spend more hours per day on average wearing pants.

00:39:10.860 Cause I always wear pants.

00:39:11.860 That is true.

00:39:12.860 I am naked a great deal of the time.

00:39:15.860 A prodigious amount, which, you know, I mean, you have a lot to show off.

00:39:19.860 I'm not going to, I'm not going to complain, but I literally wear pants for more hours of, of the year.

00:39:25.860 This is uncontestable.

00:39:26.860 This is uncontestable.

00:39:27.860 This is uncontestable.

00:39:28.860 If you, if you know our house, I care.

00:39:30.860 Even, even when I'm like forced to like go down and handle the kids or something, I throw on a bathroom.

00:39:35.860 Yeah.

00:39:36.860 No pants, no pants.

00:39:37.860 No pants.

00:39:38.860 Who wears the house? 0.99

00:39:39.860 Who wears the pants in this household? 0.99

00:39:40.860 It is correct.

00:39:41.860 Internet rumor confirmed.

00:39:42.860 Confirmed.

00:39:43.860 Confirmed.

00:39:44.860 Come on. 0.96

00:39:45.860 I'm whipped.

00:39:46.860 Oh no.

00:39:47.860 Anyway, I love you.

00:39:50.860 And I appreciate that you studied and learned that I force nothing on you.

00:39:55.860 I only give you what you would already prefer.

00:39:58.860 I did not brainwash my wife.

00:40:00.860 She brainwashed herself by reading research.

00:40:04.860 That is the, I think honestly, if we want. 0.97

00:40:09.860 Feminism and the patriarchy to die. 1.00

00:40:11.860 The first thing we need to torture science. 1.00

00:40:13.860 Because.

00:40:14.860 Empirical evidence.

00:40:15.860 The trans community started this trend. 1.00

00:40:17.860 We need to move it to the other, other parts of the, the urban monoculture, other parts of the woke mob. 0.60

00:40:23.860 Got to take a flamethrower and just blow torch science.

00:40:26.860 Or.

00:40:27.860 We'll call it corrective research.

00:40:28.860 We're just like.

00:40:29.860 Nothing.

00:40:30.860 Nothing is more white supremacists than science.

00:40:32.860 To be honest.

00:40:33.860 Yeah.

00:40:34.860 I mean, like who started it?

00:40:35.860 A bunch of landed gentry white dudes. 0.52

00:40:39.860 You know.

00:40:41.860 What was it called?

00:40:42.860 The association of science.

00:40:43.860 Well, and here it is.

00:40:45.860 Science today.

00:40:46.860 Still.

00:40:47.860 When you collect data empirically.

00:40:49.860 Showing that women and men prefer traditional gender roles.

00:40:53.860 Cross cultures.

00:40:55.860 No.

00:40:56.860 Not a good look, huh?

00:40:58.860 I love it when people are like, well, the men and women are acculturated to this.

00:41:02.860 No.

00:41:03.860 So my wife is so acculturated to liking cleaning that she just watches it for fun in her spare time. 0.99

00:41:08.860 Like literally.

00:41:09.860 But here's the thing is I grew up being a blank slateist and also living in a household that was not normative from this perspective.

00:41:16.860 Because my dad did the majority of the shopping, at least half of the cooking, and a lot of the indoor cleaning.

00:41:24.860 Like maybe, maybe an equal share.

00:41:26.860 And he was actually very meticulous about it.

00:41:28.860 Like he was the one who was OCD about the way that the shirts had to be folded and all this.

00:41:32.860 So I, it's not like I even normalized to like some kind of cultural thing.

00:41:37.860 Like I, I would have normalized to expecting men to like do all these things.

00:41:42.860 So yeah, I, I, I just, I have to concede on average women just prefer this stuff.

00:41:48.860 And then I think humor demonstrates furthermore that women also have additional social sensitivities that make them more likely to have proclivities to clean and do childcare. 1.00

00:41:57.860 Plus they don't want to deal with the male fallout because men also just have lower standards. 1.00

00:42:01.860 And that's my thing is whenever we talk to the press about like male and female equality, is it like, actually most men are willing to step up to do these things.

00:42:10.860 They might not love it, but they're willing to step up.

00:42:12.860 Women are not willing to accept their work. 1.00

00:42:14.860 And I think that's the bigger issue is, is the husbands are like, yeah, sure.

00:42:18.860 Like whatever it takes.

00:42:19.860 But then like women are like, you call this acceptable. 1.00

00:42:22.860 This is not acceptable.

00:42:24.860 So, and that's the fault of female neuroses. 1.00

00:42:27.860 Yeah.

00:42:28.860 And like, either you get to have to like lower your standards for house care and childcare, or you've got to do it yourself.

00:42:36.860 And I prefer to do it myself.

00:42:37.860 Not lower your standards.

00:42:38.860 And this is the, this is, this is the psychological trick.

00:42:40.860 What are you?

00:42:41.860 Okay.

00:42:42.860 What?

00:42:43.860 I have different standards for childcare and home care than you have.

00:42:49.860 I care about things that you may not be paying attention to.

00:42:54.860 Okay.

00:42:55.860 Like for example, washing clothing less so it stays good longer.

00:42:58.860 Oh yes.

00:42:59.860 Varnishing the floor less so that you don't strip the top layer off.

00:43:02.860 It's historic after all.

00:43:03.860 All of this stuff.

00:43:04.860 What about the lead dust, Malcolm?

00:43:06.860 All of this stuff.

00:43:08.860 Remember when Aladdin came to our house and he's like, the only reason why your children are not developmentally delayed is that your wife diligently wet mobs your floors.

00:43:17.860 Come on, Malcolm, give me some mopping.

00:43:20.860 You know that lead dust is better handled by Swiffering.

00:43:23.860 I told you.

00:43:24.860 No, no, no, no, no.

00:43:25.860 It's very different.

00:43:26.860 Power mopping is where the water goes on and it gets sucked back up.

00:43:29.860 If you're just taking like a cloth and swashing it around, that's no good.

00:43:32.860 But if you're doing what I'm doing, which is basically combining them up with a vacuum where the water goes down, gets brushed on the floor and they get sucked back up.

00:43:39.860 That is the best thing you can do.

00:43:41.860 This sounds like a fantasy to me.

00:43:42.860 Malcolm, you could call Aladdin.

00:43:44.860 Okay.

00:43:45.860 He was my wingman.

00:43:46.860 He was my wingman.

00:43:47.860 Ah, anyway, speaking of childcare duties, I have a big duty in this bear's outfit to go wipe off and then we're going to do another episode.

00:43:55.860 Yeah.

00:43:56.860 Oh, okay.

00:43:57.860 I'll let you do the things that you enjoy doing.

00:43:59.860 Have a good time with your little recreational task there and I will see you shortly.

00:44:05.860 I hate you so much. 0.99

00:44:06.860 I hate you so much. 1.00

00:44:12.860 Yeah, at first you're like, she hates him.

00:44:14.860 That's what hatred looks like.

00:44:16.860 I have no idea how humans work.

00:44:18.860 And before I forget, guys, Marge is right around the corner. 1.00

00:44:27.860 NatalCon is about to be happening.

00:44:29.860 And there are still some spaces left.

00:44:30.860 So if you're keen to join us, hang out with some really cool pro natalists of all stripes and base camp listeners, please go to the NatalCon website and enter the code Collins for 10% off your registration.

00:44:46.860 It's going to be two days of nonstop packed fun.

00:44:48.860 I'm super excited for it.

00:44:49.860 And I hope to see you there.

00:44:51.860 Also, if you have a kid who is four years old or younger, who is born through IVF and you want to help to contribute to science and the advancement of polygenic risk selection, please email us and we will connect you to a very interesting IRB study in which we too are participating as parents.

00:45:07.860 Oh, also, something I'm looking to hiring for the game dev team is if you are interested in AI art around AI related video games, even if you are not a traditional artist, if you're familiar with like Laura's or many of the different systems for creating AI art, we are going to be including a lot of it in the game and need people to generate good concept art at scale.

00:45:30.860 And so if you're interested in that, do reach out.

00:45:32.860 Thanks, Malcolm.

00:45:33.860 It would be paid.

00:45:35.860 Yeah.

00:45:36.860 Thanks so much.

00:45:37.860 But still, we're not getting paid for any of this.

00:45:39.860 Right.

00:45:40.860 So.

00:45:41.860 Did the future police give you the coolest things?

00:45:44.860 Yeah.

00:45:45.860 What, Toasty, what do you like the most?

00:45:48.860 I look, I look, I look, I look.

00:45:53.860 You guys got to share.

00:45:54.860 Remember your promise to the future police is to be nice to each other.

00:45:58.860 Oh, thank you, Toasty.

00:45:59.860 Is that a new book?

00:46:01.860 It's an animal book.

00:46:02.860 Yeah.

00:46:03.860 It's a new book.

Based Camp - February 18, 2025

Do Women Have a Preference for Domestic Labor？

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