Based Camp - Does Masculinity Boost Men's Mental Health？

00:00:00.000 Yeah. And a lot of people, they point this out and they're like, this is why women shouldn't vote. 0.98

00:00:03.580 And this, you know, they'll say that this causes differential voting behavior in men and women, and that if women weren't voting, we would have better outcomes.

00:00:12.040 And I don't know. Like, I actually, I want to come at this like as much of an outsider as possible. Is this true?

00:00:19.060 I question, though, the extent to which this, these dynamics of conflict and like the winning party translate over to, to politics, like to political issues. Like I, I don't.

00:00:35.700 Are you denying that men and women vote differently?

00:00:38.300 No, no, no. I do think I do. Well, we know, we know that men and women vote differently and have very different.

00:00:43.840 What's the point that you're making?

00:00:45.660 Would you like to know more?

00:00:46.760 You sure?

00:00:47.400 I appreciate it. So Simone, we'll get started now. I am so excited to be talking with you.

00:00:53.600 So we have this policy where we send each other interesting research when we find it.

00:00:58.520 And Simone sent me some research today, which was really elucidating because I always like when research disconfirms the hypothesis that the researcher went into it with.

00:01:09.860 So the researcher was looking at the really high suicide rate in men when compared with women.

00:01:13.760 You know, we see it as a sign of mental health issues in our society.

00:01:17.460 And he assumed, and I can see how somebody, especially if they're tainted by like the virus, would assume this, that, well, that must be what do men have that women don't have.

00:01:25.840 It's masculinity.

00:01:26.440 Therefore, it's masculinity, which is causing this because masculinity is like a toxic thing for men to experience.

00:01:34.520 Masculinity, j'accuse.

00:01:35.720 So then he ran a big study, a big study.

00:01:39.660 He ran a big study on this.

00:01:41.240 And what he found is that actually masculinity correlated with much better mental health in men instead of worse mental health in men.

00:01:49.960 Yeah, so let's get into this because I thought it was interesting.

00:01:53.400 And there's a really great overview, maybe, Malcolm, you can link to it from SciPost, which we've been reading since, God, like 2016.

00:02:01.680 I love SciPost so much.

00:02:03.880 SciPost.org.

00:02:05.000 P-S-Y-P-O-S-T. 1.00

00:02:06.460 They post summaries of a lot of psychology studies as they come out.

00:02:12.460 They link to them, which is very helpful because so many articles, like we're talking New York Times, Wall Street Journal, never link to the studies they reference.

00:02:20.200 It drives me nuts because then you can never like, what's the methodology?

00:02:23.540 And then often what they also do now that they've grown to become a bigger brand than they used to be is they will interview the researchers that have just published the study, which is just great.

00:02:35.300 So this particular study was authored by John Barry.

00:02:38.420 That's the guy that Malcolm was talking about.

00:02:40.320 It was published in Perspectives in Male Psychology.

00:02:43.800 Or sorry, he's the author of Perspectives in Male Psychology as an introduction.

00:02:50.140 But so the study that he did that we're talking about here that I thought was really interesting and shared with Malcolm was one in which he surveyed over 2,000 men in the UK and over 2,000 men in Germany.

00:03:03.060 So this is like, you know, specific set of people.

00:03:05.320 And I think it's really important to like set that as a baseline.

00:03:08.420 The site post summary states a key part of the survey was the positive mindset index, a tool used to measure mental positivity.

00:03:14.580 The scale consists of questions designed to assess the feelings of happiness, confidence, control, emotional stability, motivation, and optimism.

00:03:21.380 The survey also included several questions specifically about masculinity designed to understand how men perceive its impact on their lives.

00:03:28.700 These questions were grouped into categories that reflected whether men saw masculinity as having a negative or positive impact on them or whether they considered it irrelevant in today's society.

00:03:38.300 Now, what's interesting is the findings, which I think reinforce a lot of what we're discussing with culture and with sexuality and with relationships.

00:03:47.700 Men who reported greater satisfaction with their personal growth had significantly higher mental positivity.

00:03:53.220 So this has nothing to do with masculinity, but that is interesting.

00:03:56.300 I mean, it makes a lot of sense.

00:03:57.680 This was the strongest predictor of mental well-being in both countries.

00:04:00.900 Contrary to stereotypes of declining happiness with age, this study found that older men reported higher levels of mental positivity.

00:04:08.560 I also think this is really important.

00:04:10.420 And there's something I heard on the Red Scare podcast recently.

00:04:12.960 They were quoting someone else when they were saying this, but like someone apparently had some quote about how like is wisdom really wisdom or just like the lack of hormonal influences who get older, which I kind of wonder about that.

00:04:26.720 But I do think that when it comes to people, especially men idolizing that very young Andrew Tate kind of mindset, I think this is good evidence or like just another little note that the Andrew Tate mindset, the youthful mindset, the highly hormonal mindset does not necessarily correlate with satisfaction and well-being.

00:04:49.380 Well, and I think that when most people think about like masculinity, the masculinity that is being bemoaned by the left the most or that is most threatening to them, it's the stoicism form of masculinity.

00:05:02.840 And it is not the, you know, bombastic Andrew Tate masculinity.

00:05:07.580 Yeah.

00:05:07.740 And it makes sense that if you build a culture to me, at least it just seems intuitive, that shames a stoic approach to life, that that culture is going to have much, much lower mental health than a culture that embraces a more stoic approach to life.

00:05:23.780 100%.

00:05:24.260 And, and, and this also goes to the other video that we had filmed, which will probably come out before this on sexuality.

00:05:31.120 And, you know, when we teach our kids about sex and I was talking in that one about when I personally was younger, like hormones, a lot of people were like, don't you want to be like pumped up on tons of testosterone?

00:05:41.800 Don't you want to be like, no, like that's terrible.

00:05:45.060 Like it is not good for your mental health.

00:05:47.580 I can see how any male is going to increasingly get better mental health, the further they escape the tyranny of their pre-programmed biological instincts, which is not the same as masculinity.

00:06:02.180 The pre-programmed biological instincts is boyishness.

00:06:06.080 Yes.

00:06:06.680 It's very different than masculinity.

00:06:08.500 You know, boyishness is like, I'm going to fight everyone.

00:06:11.880 I'm going to play with my little toy soldiers.

00:06:13.660 I'm going to, you know, everything's a threat to me.

00:06:16.420 The root cause of all of the world's problems is basically that there's not enough men who walk around their houses with swords.

00:06:25.080 There's not enough men like me who do whatever they want.

00:06:28.980 If every man on earth walked around with a sword, then when the females who have been emotionally manipulated try and manipulate the men, the men won't listen.

00:06:38.700 That will make the female have more respect for the man. 1.00

00:06:41.280 And most of the issues of the world would basically go away.

00:06:46.600 Whereas I think masculinity is much more being like an icebreaker to life.

00:06:50.620 Yeah, interesting.

00:06:52.580 You know, I was thinking like, well, then what are like archetypes of boyishness versus masculinity?

00:06:56.740 And you kind of have Odysseus versus Achilles, right?

00:06:59.520 So Achilles is like, he throws a tantrum.

00:07:02.320 He hides in his tent.

00:07:04.340 You know, he like, you know, just severe problems emotionally, very clearly.

00:07:09.320 I mean, the man is worse than, you know, a woman with PMS who has borderline personality disorder.

00:07:14.700 And then you have Odysseus who just like plays the long game, tries his best to not get distracted, is obviously an imperfect person, but fights through.

00:07:24.400 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:07:25.640 Clear in the way that study was worded, it would have captured Odysseus masculinity much more than it would have captured this boyishness you see in Achilles.

00:07:32.260 And I really couldn't think of a better dichotomy here.

00:07:36.680 And it's just important, you know, our younger viewers to not overly conflate masculinity with being like Achilles. 0.99

00:07:43.780 Because he acts like a little bitch, to be honest. 1.00

00:07:46.420 He does, though. 1.00

00:07:47.720 And he was very not helpful.

00:07:49.720 Anyway, so in terms of what the study found with masculinity, you know, we already talked.

00:07:53.860 I mean, yeah.

00:07:54.560 So in addition to like age being more correlated with happiness and men who are satisfied with their personal growth being more happy,

00:08:01.320 also men who are satisfied with their health were more like, so like, thank you, Captain Obvious.

00:08:05.480 And there are so many psychology studies that are like, just like, you know, people who are healthy seem happier.

00:08:10.360 But here, so perhaps most notably, says SciPost.org, the study found that men who had a less negative view of masculinity reported higher levels of mental positivity.

00:08:21.640 This was particularly evident in the UK sample.

00:08:24.380 In other words, when men disagreed with statements such as, quote, masculinity prevents me from talking about how I feel about my problems, unquote,

00:08:33.400 they tended to have a better overall mental outlook.

00:08:36.060 In Germany, not only did a less negative view of masculinity correlate with better mental health,

00:08:40.580 but a positive view of masculinity was also a significant predictor of higher mental positivity.

00:08:45.600 Positive views of masculinity encompassed attitudes such as feeling a sense of protectiveness toward women and a desire to be a strong pillar of support for one's family.

00:08:54.240 Again, total Odysseus, not Achilles.

00:08:57.540 Yes.

00:08:57.700 Right?

00:08:58.180 Yeah.

00:08:58.660 Well, and what's very interesting is these, if you look at somebody like Andrew Tate, these are things that he wouldn't have answered.

00:09:05.280 Right.

00:09:06.440 Or not as strongly.

00:09:08.160 I mean, some of his statements say that he might be on the edge or he would have a different relation to these questions than I think normal people would.

00:09:14.700 But it's really capturing that sort of stoic, sort of monogamous father figure within a family is what's being measured here.

00:09:23.940 The provider.

00:09:24.540 And more than that, one who doesn't make excuses for why he's not doing things.

00:09:29.080 If you look at the question like, my masculinity prevents me from sharing my emotions,

00:09:33.640 these are people who are not saying that this is a problem for them.

00:09:37.380 Right?

00:09:37.600 And I wouldn't say that it's a problem for me in that I think masculinity or not masculinity, showing emotions is sinful, especially indulging in them.

00:09:47.100 And I expect my wife just as much as me to not indulge in that aspect of personality.

00:09:52.920 I think that when you indulge in an individual's emotions, I mean, one of the most toxic things you can have in a relationship is the belief that an emotional state is justification for an action.

00:10:03.480 Oh, yeah.

00:10:04.620 Say, I did this because I was angry.

00:10:07.060 It's like, well, then learn to control your anger.

00:10:09.920 Or I acted this way because you made me feel this way. 1.00

00:10:12.960 Well, fucking suck it up. 1.00

00:10:14.560 How I made you feel has nothing to do. 1.00

00:10:17.240 My actions were designed to move our family towards a goal.

00:10:21.000 If that ended up impeding your feelings, then that's something that you need to work on.

00:10:27.700 And that was a personal failure on your part, not a mandate for some sort of counteraction.

00:10:32.400 Precisely.

00:10:33.160 Yeah.

00:10:33.420 I also, I think it's interesting that they highlighted this protectiveness towards women as a something, as a notable element of masculinity, because it's just not really something that's discussed.

00:10:48.020 I think these days, because frankly, women feel much more like the aggressors these days than people to protect. 0.99

00:10:54.240 But then when I think about all the things that I associate with more traditional masculinity that I find to be really hot, but also that I find to be really pro-social, it is, you know, when men open doors for women.

00:11:07.900 Even when men reflexively stand up when a woman gets up at a table, you know, in a formal dining situation, you know, just all these like sort of shows of protectiveness and deference.

00:11:17.100 The way that you, for example, walk on whichever is the dangerous side of the street and help me around and help me with bags and everything like that, which you constantly do, because obviously I'm like carrying dangerous amounts of stuff.

00:11:30.980 I don't know.

00:11:31.640 I have a death wish.

00:11:32.860 So, yeah, I think that's interesting.

00:11:34.100 And I also think that like there's always these vestigial parts, vestigial parts of my progressive upbringing that will like screech out when it reads things like this, of being like, oh, protective toward women. 0.81

00:11:47.340 That's disgusting. 0.95

00:11:48.560 Women don't need protection. 1.00

00:11:50.100 But then I also think about like when we think about traditional femininity, women are not protective toward men.

00:11:57.480 No, but they are very nurturing toward men.

00:11:59.400 And I think that, you know, both versions of positive masculinity and positive femininity actually involve taking a lot of responsibility and making the well-being of someone else part of your personal responsibility.

00:12:17.220 So masculinity involves protecting women and doing right by women. 0.99

00:12:21.240 Femininity involves nurturing men and supporting men. 1.00

00:12:24.700 More than protecting women, I think it's making the well-being of others your personal responsibility.

00:12:31.460 You know, back to that quote that we always say, the difference between a citizen and a civilian is a citizen makes the safety of the human race their personal responsibility.

00:12:40.240 Yes.

00:12:40.380 But I think that that's a very masculine way of relating to one's nation or one species, whereas women see the nurturing of the human race as their personal responsibility. 0.70

00:12:51.820 But also you're not seeing that.

00:12:53.440 Like that is something that is absent from modern femininity in a way that I think is damaging.

00:12:58.420 And I don't think, like, I think the instinct is, oh, women don't do it because it doesn't do them any good. 1.00

00:13:05.740 But I actually think that the primary beneficiary of both male protectiveness towards women and female nurturing towards men is the giver.

00:13:16.460 Like you gain self-ownership, self-mastery, responsibility, an internal locus of control, and frankly, greater control over a situation when you are in the process of assisting someone else.

00:13:33.300 Because it sort of forces you to not be hopeless and helpless and flailing about.

00:13:38.160 It forces you to be in command of a situation.

00:13:40.460 You know, it almost – do you remember the story with the Hamas attacks?

00:13:44.600 There was that one Jewish grandmother who, like, gave tea to –

00:13:49.140 Oh, yes, until they were able to all be murdered.

00:13:52.620 Yeah, that's a very interesting, like, death through nurturing.

00:13:56.600 They were going to kill her and her husband, and she's this little old lady. 1.00

00:14:00.160 Yeah, and she's like, well, like, I'm going to make you tea. 0.94

00:14:02.580 Like, you're probably hungry right now.

00:14:04.540 Yeah, tried to treat them as hospitably impossible while she was feeding information to the IDF about where the people were in the house and everything like that to the point where they were able to kill them before they killed the old couple, which they were talking about doing.

00:14:18.600 They were planning on doing.

00:14:19.900 But she was just so nurturing and non-threatening in the way she was acting.

00:14:24.740 But it's still a very feminine form.

00:14:27.300 Yeah, and it's a very feminine form of ownership, right?

00:14:29.280 It's a very feminine form of taking command. 1.00

00:14:31.080 You know, how did she do it, and how did she do it in a way that didn't stop men in a moment of very high aggression from stymieing her? 0.99

00:14:40.360 Like, obviously, had she acted in a masculine fashion, she would have been instantly killed, right?

00:14:46.680 But she reacted in a – I mean, this goes back – why am I on the Odyssey right now?

00:14:50.900 But, like, you know, what did Odysseus' wife do?

00:14:55.200 Oh, yes, with all the suitors.

00:14:56.800 Yeah, with all the suitors.

00:14:57.460 She hosted them.

00:14:59.280 She hosted them, and she bought time.

00:15:02.080 And she bought a lot of time.

00:15:04.340 A heroic amount of time.

00:15:06.540 Yeah.

00:15:07.380 Talamicus was probably super confused.

00:15:10.100 You know, she's just like – you know, she didn't say yes to anyone. 0.94

00:15:14.200 So anyway, I think that's just, like, the note of protecting women.

00:15:19.140 Well, I also love this aggressive hosting that you're sort of talking about here.

00:15:23.020 Aggressive, hostile hosting.

00:15:25.140 Yeah, everyone's got to watch out if Simone's hosting you too many times.

00:15:28.340 Defensive, defensive hosting.

00:15:29.780 Yeah, yeah, tactile hosting.

00:15:31.440 There's different ways that cultures relate to femininity and masculinity, and I think that this is also really important.

00:15:36.140 There are the aspects of us that are biologically hard-coded, which I think exists between cultural groups.

00:15:43.280 But I'm almost certain that there are, you know, some genetic differences between cultural groups in terms of, like, the average sociological profile of a male.

00:15:51.600 Yeah, and that's why I was like, this is German and UK men, right?

00:15:55.180 Yeah.

00:15:55.440 Well, no, but the point I'm making is I don't know if women, for example, of all, you know, ethnocultural groups have exactly the same sociological profile.

00:16:08.420 When you think about how they contrast with men, for example, women in our group are generally much more masculine and aggressive, I think, in the context of defense than would be expected of other cultural groups.

00:16:25.340 I think that's – American women, do you think that's because of the preponderance of Scots-Irish women? 0.99

00:16:31.640 Yes, it's likely due to the preponderance of Scots-Irish women and people who were living on the frontier for a long time. 0.99

00:16:37.500 Yeah.

00:16:37.860 Because frontier living requires – we talked about this in the episode of Why Don't Jews Own Guns? – of martial cultures versus non-martial cultures, and often the most extreme martial cultures see it as the responsibility of not just the man to defend the household, but the woman to defend the household.

00:16:54.000 And so you typically see weapons training in both men and women, and this is the cultural group that we are predominantly descended from.

00:17:02.080 And thus, when I think about what nurturing means to me, a part of nurturing is the literal protection that you show towards the family, which other cultures wouldn't see things that way.

00:17:14.980 So I don't think that your natural instinct, if somebody broke into our house – I mean, you literally have an AR-15 right next to where you work – is not to bake them tea and cook it.

00:17:26.040 I don't know.

00:17:26.820 Well, I mean, yes, you're absolutely right, and that's why – and not just in that room.

00:17:31.480 In every room, there's a little surprise, be it my bow and arrow or the bear spray, your giant hammer, the rifle – sorry, the over-under shotgun.

00:17:39.540 Anyway, what many psychologists, though, had come up with, which I don't know, it still resonates with me, and it's still how I sometimes react in a panic situation, is that while men, on average, are more likely to have a fight-or-flight response, women may tend to show instead a tend-and-befriend response, where they show, like, I'm going to watch after my children.

00:18:04.400 I'm going to try to protect who's around me, and I'm going to try to befriend the new people who have taken over my village, and I'm now going to be enslaved, too, and that kind of thing.

00:18:13.600 So I don't know.

00:18:14.880 Like, I think that there are cultural differences.

00:18:17.740 We mentioned this in the Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality under the Evolution of Sexuality.

00:18:22.260 It was looking at games, and it showed that when in, like, I think it was, like, physical sports games, when you had men, and they were on a team, and their team was beginning to lose, they would show more camaraderie with their teammates.

00:18:37.800 Whereas when women's teams began to lose, they would actually begin to show more camaraderie with the opposing team, which makes absolute sense.

00:18:50.900 You know, if your village is being raided, and you're a man, you are going to die, almost certainly. 0.90

00:18:55.460 No, they have to kill you. 1.00

00:18:56.720 They have to kill you. 1.00

00:18:57.420 You're too much of a liability. 1.00

00:18:58.840 Yeah, whereas with women, you gain an advantage from doing this tend-and-befriend response. 0.99

00:19:04.080 Now, this doesn't mean that you don't still have loyalty to your group, and that, you know, when people's backs are turned, you're not going to end up killing them, right?

00:19:11.700 But only insofar as you can go back to the way things used to be, you know?

00:19:15.440 And it's in your evolutionary best interest to befriend and stay alive as long as possible.

00:19:20.300 And the way to stay alive as long as possible is to be as friendly and non-threatening as you can, because you are not as likely to be killed by default.

00:19:27.720 Yeah, and a lot of people, they point this out, and they're like, this is why women shouldn't vote. 1.00

00:19:31.280 And this, you know, they'll say that this causes differential voting behavior in men and women, and that if women weren't voting, we would have better outcomes.

00:19:39.720 And I don't know.

00:19:41.720 Like, I actually, I want to come at this, like, as much of an outsider as possible.

00:19:46.220 Is this true?

00:19:46.760 I mean, women do vote proportionally more for consensus ideas, which is, you know, potentially not something you would want in an electorate. 1.00

00:19:58.680 But I think that generally, you'd probably just be better.

00:20:02.220 Like, if you're like, oh, limit voting to this group or that group, you'd probably be better limiting voting to people with kids.

00:20:07.600 Like, I think that that actually makes sense, because these people have a vested interest in the future of a country.

00:20:11.760 No, no, no.

00:20:14.260 Okay, I'm going to say no.

00:20:15.560 I'm going to say people who are contributing something.

00:20:18.980 I mean, we'll do something on the state that we created.

00:20:21.960 But one of the features of it is very much in line with what Simone said, where within one of the branches of government, your vote is literally just how much you pay in taxes.

00:20:29.140 And that is the sign of your societal contribution.

00:20:32.380 And that's very different from these other systems.

00:20:35.080 But I'm just thinking more broadly.

00:20:36.400 Like, is it women's fault? 1.00

00:20:38.500 Like, is it women getting the vote's fault? 1.00

00:20:39.800 No, no, not at all.

00:20:40.740 I don't think that that's a good description of how things fell apart.

00:20:46.060 But do women vote differently for men because they respond differently in these sort of conflict situations? 0.90

00:20:50.840 And a lot of people, they're like, well, you know, when women talk about this, they're like, well, if women controlled society, women would, like, if there'd be more peace, there'd be less war. 0.53

00:20:59.200 Because women have this nurturing response, which is actually, like, verifiably not true from the evidence.

00:21:04.580 If you look at during the European medieval ages, there was a study done.

00:21:08.480 We cite it, I think, in our relationships book, The Pregnant Disguided Relationships. 0.98

00:21:11.860 It shows that women, actually, when they were in charge of a country, when they were queen instead of king, the country was much more likely to go to war. 0.89

00:21:19.880 Which is interesting.

00:21:20.940 Now, you could say, well, this is because they needed to secure their positions or whatever because their rules were more tenuous.

00:21:25.140 They're compensating, yeah.

00:21:27.100 But also, like, women are terrifying, so I don't know. 1.00

00:21:29.920 I also, I question, though, the extent to which this, these dynamics of conflict and, like, the winning party translate over to politics, like, to political issues.

00:21:45.700 Like, I don't...

00:21:47.120 Are you denying that men and women vote differently?

00:21:49.920 No, no, no.

00:21:50.300 I do think, I do...

00:21:51.540 Well, we know, we know that men and women vote differently and have very different...

00:21:55.520 What's the point that you're making?

00:21:57.060 Well, I just, I mean, like, if we're talking about, like, losing or winning in a sports game or something, like, sort of this, like, zeitgeist, I'm going to go with the winning aggressor thing, I don't think that's translating over to political issues.

00:22:08.400 Uh, well, then, what would you say about, I mean, this is the way this is often framed within rhidoid circles, is they say that this response is why women are so pro-immigration and so pro-immigrant groups that are clearly hostile with these groups.

00:22:23.460 And I should point out, not all immigrant groups are hostile to the...

00:22:26.280 Yeah, but I think that's ignorance.

00:22:27.780 But there are some immigrant groups that are clearly hostile to native populations.

00:22:31.220 Yeah, but I think that's ignorance to the hostility, because the types of media outlets that women follow, the stories that get the most clicks and that drive the ad revenue and therefore get the attention on women's, predominantly women's or women-heavy platforms, are those feel-good stories, those victim stories, those, oh, look at the cute children crossing the border stories, or look at the sad baby that died because he couldn't cross the border stories,

00:22:58.380 instead of the, look at these criminals who are coming in and raping people's stories, because women don't like those stories. 1.00

00:23:03.880 Women don't read those stories at the same rate. 1.00

00:23:05.560 They don't share them at the same rate.

00:23:07.140 That is like, again, coming back to this, like, again, women nurture, men protect.

00:23:12.220 Even if they couldn't deny that, right?

00:23:14.040 They are more interested in the stories that trigger nurturing instincts, like this baby died because it wasn't getting fed, and less interested in the stories that trigger their defense instincts.

00:23:21.820 Because women aren't into protecting, that's not their job. 1.00

00:23:24.740 So because of the way that the online environment is sorting information, they're not getting access to the same types of information.

00:23:32.340 That's a very interesting point.

00:23:33.240 Yeah, and I was just going through, as you and I were talking about this morning, this report on public opinion on nuclear power.

00:23:39.720 And like a huge, huge, huge predictor of whether someone was in favor of nuclear power as a green energy source and in general,

00:23:46.540 was if they felt, if they self-reported that they were informed about it,

00:23:50.240 but also women were both less informed about it and less in favor of it. 0.99

00:23:54.160 And again, I think it's about what you know.

00:23:56.160 So again, yeah, I think this is, and again, this is nobody's fault, right?

00:23:59.080 Like women just click through on certain types of articles more, 1.00

00:24:02.180 and that means that women have implications only, like sort of show a skewed perception of reality. 1.00

00:24:06.480 There's a biological differences that they had no choice in.

00:24:09.200 Yes, yeah.

00:24:09.920 Going back to like, you know, all this femininity, masculinity nonsense.

00:24:14.720 Not that, I mean, like it's, I feel weird talking about this because you and I are not like obsessed with feminine and masculine roles,

00:24:23.600 but we do very comfortably slot into them in our own household for sure.

00:24:27.780 Yeah.

00:24:28.040 Which is weird.

00:24:30.760 So yeah, I just, it's, what I'm curious about is how this would translate over in like China, Japan, India,

00:24:43.040 cultures that I understand less.

00:24:45.140 Like how much of, of masculinity as we understand it is a, is a European thing?

00:24:53.120 What, if this study were to be executed in Korea, would we see different results?

00:24:58.320 I don't know.

00:24:59.300 I'm curious.

00:25:01.320 But yeah, it's, it's hard to say.

00:25:05.060 And I mean, who knows there could be confounding factors here, you know, like it could be that people who associate more with masculinity are just more likely to be conservative and people who are conservative are more likely to also be religious and therefore have a stronger, harder cultural background.

00:25:23.040 And therefore a bunch of traditions and lifestyle amenities that just encourage better mental health.

00:25:29.620 So it's not actually the masculinity that's causing better mental health, but rather the association with harder culture and a more disciplined mindset that, that is at play here.

00:25:39.660 Like, so maybe it's not the masculinity itself that makes people have better mental health.

00:25:45.560 One thing I'd really like to see is women who are more masculine or rate themselves as more masculine, do they have better mental health? 1.00

00:25:52.360 Huh?

00:25:54.500 Yeah.

00:25:55.600 And I would guess that they do.

00:25:57.200 I can Google this really quickly.

00:25:58.180 Hold on.

00:25:59.120 I don't, I, I'm not sure.

00:26:01.420 And I, I, I guess the reason why I, I kind of have my doubts is.

00:26:07.340 You're right.

00:26:08.720 It's, it's, sorry, been a study done in both genders.

00:26:11.760 Masculinity was associated with greater psychological wellbeing in both genders.

00:26:16.660 Femininity was associated with lower psychological wellbeing.

00:26:20.160 Well, being a woman's so hard.

00:26:26.700 Okay.

00:26:27.820 We have feelings and.

00:26:30.540 I'm so sorry for your feelings.

00:26:33.040 And hysteria. 0.87

00:26:35.020 And we give birth to babies and it's horrible.

00:26:40.480 I don't know how to deal with it.

00:26:42.200 Well, I'm so glad that you are not as infected with femininity as your average woman. 1.00

00:26:47.120 Less, basically not even female, but I mean, really, if I have to take the same amount of 0.91

00:26:53.060 estrogen pills as like your average trans person, don't I count as like, not really a

00:26:59.660 woman.

00:27:00.120 No, wait, that's really offensive.

00:27:02.120 Oh, sorry.

00:27:04.180 Oh, I love you.

00:27:05.840 Bye.

00:27:06.880 Love you too, Simone.

00:27:07.920 And you are very feminine, by the way, and very hot.

00:27:10.100 Okay.

00:27:10.440 Oh, thank you.

00:27:12.400 Not as gorgeous as you are.

00:27:14.040 Oh my God.

00:27:15.000 I love you so much, Malcolm.

00:27:16.340 I love you too.

Based Camp - January 25, 2024

Does Masculinity Boost Men's Mental Health？

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