Elon vs. Trump： Is This the End of the New Right？
Summary
The fall out between Elon Musk and Trump has gone nuclear on both sides of the political spectrum, but what does it mean for the future of the tech right? Simone and I discuss the fallout, and why it's not the end of the Tech Right.
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Hello, Simone. I am actually not so excited to be here with you today. I do not like what's going
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on right now. Between Elon and Trump, there has been a big falling out, a big fight that's been
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happening online. I mean, it has gone nuclear on both sides. And people may ask, oh, is this the
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end of the tech right? No, it's not. This is a fight that, while I am disappointed in the people
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involved in it, I did not expect more for them. If anything, I'm kind of amazed they kept things
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going for as long as they did. And they didn't fall to the progressive nonsense. If anything,
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it almost feels like this fight happened as soon as the progressives stopped trying to drive them
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apart. Because now they could have a falling out without it looking like they were tricked into it
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by progressives. That's a fun theory. I think that ironically, the months and months of progressives
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trying to do stories like, oh, President Elon and stuff like this ended up with Trump and Elon
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feeling like they can't break up without making it look like progressives won. And then Elon leaves
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his job with the administration. I'll note here, he left his job with the administration. Doge is still
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operational. My little brother works for Doge. Everything he set up was already on auto when he
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left, right? And I'll also note here that just because Elon has decided to create a beef with Trump,
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that does not mean that the tech right has a beef with Trump. This is a personal issue. This is not
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an issue really of politics. There was a political angle to it that started a lot of it. But this is not
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something that changes the tech rights opinion. And when people hear the tech right, they think tech
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workers. When really, I think a better way to think of the tech in that is the right that is downstream
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of the online communities, like 4chan and Gamergate and all of that. Like, Asmogold, I would see as a more
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central figure in the tech right than Elon, in terms of sort of culture setting and idea generation.
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Like, if somebody like Asmogold or like Nuxinor or us came out and are like, we are anti-Trump now or
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we are anti-MAGA now, like, I would be like, the tech right has a major issue. Like, that two really
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big egos who, you know, had worked together for as long as they did, actually, like, I kind of respect
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them both more just that they kept it going for as long as they did, because I did not expect it.
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That is really important. They're such strong personalities that kind of, I see as only being
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able to, there can only be one in the room. And yet there were so many instances of both in the
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same room, both working together, both sharing the headlines. Yeah, it felt so crazy. And I mean,
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nothing that has happened recently undoes what Elon Musk did, which was play a pivotal role in getting
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President Trump elected. Potentially. I mean, Trump denies that. Let's put it out. What I would say
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is I don't, I wouldn't say that Trump would definitely have been elected without Elon's help.
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I'm saying he might have been. Elon helped solidify the tech right partnership. But the truth is,
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is that Elon, if you're talking about like, who's the political king of the tech right, like who's
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actually the tech right king, it's JD Vance. It's not. Obviously it's a vice president. Yeah.
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Next in line to the throne. Hello. Put in place by like Peter Thiel. Like he couldn't be more,
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he's a former VC, former atheist, now Christian, like us, former VC, former atheist, now Christian,
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you know. And JD Vance, by the way, is a very active vice president. I think for those who are
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outside the United States or even in it, in the United States in general, a vice president is fairly
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feckless, not involved, kind of like, I mean, there was even one, one vice president in American
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history who basically spent his entire term totally blitzed in New York, not even in DC.
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You know, typically they have pretty distant offices and they, they play a very symbolic role,
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but JD Vance's office is in the West wing of the white house. It is, it is down the hall
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from president Trump. He is actively involved. So this is, he's in history, one of the most active
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vice presidents. So not only was he selected and is that a major tone being sent by a now two-term
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president about what the future of the party is going to look at, but he also in his, from everything
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from the logistical position of his office to the active role he's playing in the Trump administration,
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JD Vance absolutely is the, the figurehead of the new right and the functional head of the new right.
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And I really appreciate that. Like, I'd like to say like everything that Elon has done for society
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and the world and, and, you know, in terms of the things he's built, because he's done a lot
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in terms of the spaceship work, in terms of his work in, you know, this culture formation. He isn't,
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I think like, if you're even like, come on, most tech, right. People don't see him as the guy who's
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like actually leading things. And no, I mean, it was never not understood that Elon is a mercurial
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guy. He's not somebody who you want to, he's somebody you want to get stuff done, not to be
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the ideological figurehead of a movement in the way that JD Vance is. JD Vance is almost sort of the
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opposite here where he is. If you watch any of his speeches or anything like that, he's incredibly
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thoughtful and cunning in terms of how he sort of stacks the deck. And that's something that I
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really appreciate. And for me, a big part of all of this is it from everybody involved is loyalty is,
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is a big value of mine. And so even when, because there's been multiple instances in which I feel
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like the administration has done things that the tech rate would disagree with, but like, I have been
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very easy to be like, well, the Alliance matters more than the individual policy things, because we,
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we only together can we fight the urban monoculture. And, and if we fall apart, America falls apart.
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Like the other side is demonic in every way, I think can be demonic. You know, they, they sort humans
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by their ethnic group. They sort humans by their sexuality. They strip humans of their identity and,
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you know, national pride and ethnic pride and any, any, the pride in their ancestors and what they
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built there. It's, it's horrifying, right. To, to see what they've done. And we can all work together
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and agree that like, we, we can fight for each of us to raise kids our own way, but let's go into the
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details of what happened exactly here. Yeah. As you pointed out first, Elon Musk left Doge. I would,
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we would say well before this particular tussle started. Amicably, amicably. And then unfortunately
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the news stopped trying to drive them apart. And then what happened? Well, then Elon Musk comes out
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quite publicly against sort of the, the big, very important piece of the big bill, the big, the one
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big, beautiful bill that, that Trump has been talking about since before he was elected. It includes
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many of his major campaign promises. And it's really important that it is passed now because
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this is sort of the one period during his four-year tenure when it is expected for him to have the
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majority in the house and Senate. He needs to get it passed the, the one big, beautiful bill,
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which is, it's, it's a budget reconciliation bill. It's, it's, it's a very specific type of bill
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is also, it's something that can be passed because it's just a budget reconciliation. It's not about
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like, like necessarily new stuff, really. It's just about sort of how we reconcile the budget,
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meaning that it doesn't need as much of a majority in order to pass, which is another reason why,
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like, this is such a, a feasible win for the Trump administration. And also again,
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why it's so important because it's delivering on many campaigns.
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Also it, it, it, it breaks a number of his campaign promises if it doesn't get passed.
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Yeah. And one of the reasons it has to be so, from my understanding, at least is it, is, it has
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to be so big is to, because a lot of stuff is expiring and, and this is a bill that, that sort of
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reaffirms the status quo and it may be a non-sustainable status quo, but if Trump does begin to cut
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benefits and stuff like that, that was always like his first and central promise. It wasn't
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something I like, but it was something that I signed on for when I chose this alliance. And it
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was a promise that I believe he absolutely needed to make, to get the votes to win.
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Well, I had to betray the people voting on him.
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Most about Trump in this administration, his, his second term in office has been this ruthless,
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efficient delivery on promises. So it would be really weird if he was like, ah, but you
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know what, to be responsible. And I'm going to get into in a little bit why being responsible
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is a lot harder than we could even fathom. But like, yeah, I mean, it would be so weird
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I mean, we've also got to talk about like how, you know, Elon calling the bill, like it really
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started with Elon saying a bunch of bad stuff about Trump and Trump trying really hard to
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not take the bait for a while before he finally like went hard.
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He called it literally a grotesque monstrosity filled with excessive pork and quote, a massive
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outrageous pork filled congressional spending bill. Like he, you know, I know-
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That was passed in the dead of the night when Congress couldn't read it.
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And, and even after that, you know, Trump was like, oh, you know, we had a good friendship and
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everything like that. And then, you know, he, he starts saying, well, you know, Elon Musk
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has gone crazy or he's wearing thin. Like even, even his reaction, I think later was pretty
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generous, which is to be like, I don't understand why he's acting this way. You know, like these
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are campaign promises I made. Like, what am I supposed to do? Right. You know, and, and
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they were campaign promises he needed to make to win.
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I think that would be a good time too, for us to expand on this a little bit. So what were
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some of these campaign promises? So one of them, for example, was obviously to maintain
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the tax cuts that he had promised that, that he had first implemented. So while the congressional
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budget office points out, says a lot of people think this is deeply unfair, that the bill
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increases our primary, that is non-interest budget deficit by 2.4 trillion over 10 years
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with the total deficit increase being 3 trillion. This is only be because they expected that tax
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revenue of everyone's taxes going up for the average American, it would have been between
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two and a half thousand and three and a half thousand dollars a year. So like non-trivially
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like, ouch for that to happen. So they were basically like, well, we expected that money.
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And because this bill keeps things as they are, now you're increasing the deficit. But that
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was one big thing. Other things that he had promised were no taxes on tips. That was a big
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thing, which is in there. There are some things aside from the tax cut extension and some other
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promises that he had made regarding like Medicare benefits, which were slightly expanded that I am not
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so sure about. So there was a 150 billion defense spending increase. A lot of people are arguing that
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maybe that's where the pork is because defense contractors are largely benefit, I mean, hugely
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benefiting from that. Yeah. They're all like DEI riddled and everything like that. I would not
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have personally pushed for that, but in, you know, in the scale of government spending.
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Yeah. And there's also this really random suppressor tax elimination for gun suppressors.
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It removes a $200 tax on gun suppressors. Gun owners were really happy about that one.
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I know. I mean, like it's God bless America, right? Like don't tax our guns, but it's one
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of those things of like, well, clearly the gun lobby put that in, you know, this is not one of
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those, you know, you've got to make up for this money when it disappears. Right. And that's,
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that's what this bill is about. Yeah. And I mean, and I also want to give credit to the bill and that
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it reduces incentives on renewable energy. So that that's a cut in, in spending. Of course,
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some people point to that and they're like, that's more pork because fossil fuels interests
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benefit from it. There were also Medicaid and SNAP cuts. A SNAP is basically, it's our,
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it's our food assistance program in the United States. So millions of people will lose coverage
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due to stricter eligibility. One thing that the guys on the online podcast pointed out though,
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is that the cuts that they've made to these programs don't even bring them back to pre-pandemic
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levels that they had been hiked up. Yes. They, they'd been hiked up insanely when like everyone
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was out of work and we're just like, we're on emergency mode, spend all the money, which I can
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understand, but that's over, you know, we're in the new world. We need to cut that back to pre-pandemic
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spending. So I feel like they could have done a little bit more. So like, well, I, I think that the
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extent of the financial damage of this bill is distorted and that there was this expectation
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of tax revenue resulting from a tax cut lifting that. I mean, but this is the thing, the thing
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about what Trump's doing here is he has to make a bill that can pass. Yeah. Okay. With, it was in the
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current political reality that we are living in. And the thing that makes me feel bad about how this
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sort of played out is you have Trump attacking. I mean, Elon is attacking Trump for the size of
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this bill, mostly because Trump tried to brand it as a big, beautiful bill, which is a normal Trump
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thing. Very Trump. Yes. I don't think that Trump likes, really likes that a big bill is passing
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either, but that's how he brand things to get people excited. And, and then he puts in what he can
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while cutting what he thinks he can get away with cutting. Right. And they did. I mean, it's,
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it is impressive given how any cut to some kind of like to snap to Medicaid is, is like voters are
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mad about that. Right. Cause like the people who come out to these city council meetings, like
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the people who voted in favor of this bill, the politicians who did are going to get so much
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heat for this already. There is this one woman who like has gone viral because in some town hall
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meeting, people are like, people are going to die because of these cuts. And she's like, well,
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we're all going to die. And then she got heat for that. And I'm just making it. Yeah. This is a lot
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of people are putting a lot of political capital on the line to make this happen. You know, this was
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downstream of a lot of negotiations. And this is hard. Even this is hard. The Trump guys who put
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this bill together, they didn't, they wanted to cut back snap cards further. I can almost guarantee
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you. Cause I like, no, some of these guys, they're not happy that this is, they, they, they limited
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themselves because this is what they thought they could do to best meet the campaign promises
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as to why Trump reacted to Elon this way. What else was he supposed to do in the first place
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other than be sort of snide or then say he's crazy. And then Elon is like, well, then Trump is
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replaced by a body double. Right. You know, or, or like, but I don't see, this doesn't come off
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as like, Trump has always been an economic populist on, on this sort of stuff.
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I mean, aside from the fact that a president is obligated to follow through with his campaign
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promises, I just want to point out that let's, let's just say hypothetically, the Trump administration
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worked with congressional Republicans to pass a bill that literally halted all discretionary
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spending. So operational, military, et cetera, while only maintaining social security, better,
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veterans benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, and debt interest payments. So like just the stuff
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to keep the people alive. Right. Everything else is gone, gone. No building new, anything.
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No, no research, no, no FEMA. Right. Like nothing, none of that. No, like weather service,
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like no NASA gone. Boom. Boom. Right. We've, we would, we would still run a deficit in our budget.
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Malcolm. It would be impossible to balance our budget under those conditions because we,
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if we look at our like 2025 mandatory spending, 1.3 trillion social security, 400 billion veterans
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benefits, 1.5 trillion to Medicare, 600 billion to Medicaid interest on debt is 952 billion. So the
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total is 4.752 trillion dollars. Okay. That is how much on this super, like only keep people alive
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budget. Okay. But our, our tax revenue is 4.4 trillion. So we need 4.75. We were getting 4.4.
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So we would either need to increase our taxes or further reduce these sort of like essential
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lifeline spending programs to even begin to pay down our debt.
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It's eventually going to fall apart. Like we've said this before as well.
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And obviously this is clear. I mean, like, I think this helps to illustrate too, like with
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demographic collapse, just how hard this is going to hit and how unsustainable it is.
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We call this a dependency ratio cascade. Right now for every 1.8 Americans paying into the tax
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system, there's one person living off of it. You know, this, this cannot, like, if this gets
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much worse, things are going to start breaking apart. This is what demographic collapse causes.
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This is why Doge is so tied to demographic collapse because it has been giving us a wider timeline by
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dealing with this, but you've got to keep in mind, you can just be like, as a businessman,
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like this is not sustainable, which it's not. So like, I understand Elon's perspective,
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but Trump isn't a businessman. And I think it took him a while to learn that in politics,
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you're not a businessman. It's not about doing what's practical. It's about getting as much as
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you can towards what's practical. And what happened after this, if you look at where this
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went from, this is that really, the wheels really spiraled off after this point. Well,
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yeah, Elon subsidies and contracts was the government, which is a huge source of money
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for his companies. And he stated that he's surprised Biden didn't do it, seeing how big it was.
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Oh, no. You know, this also reminds me of a portion you put in the Pragmentist Guide to
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Governance about girls, like high school girls making a school lunch choice. And like, what happens
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in any natural dominance hierarchy where like the alpha gets threatened publicly? The alpha has to,
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they have to act because if Trump does not lash back out, he is now a weak, fetid,
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not respect worthy person. He's Elon's B. Like that's what everyone would think. If Elon was
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just able to trash him without him fighting back, it would look really bad. He has to fight back.
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Like there's no choice here. And he tried not to at first. That's the thing that gets me about all of
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this. He was being so, like he was being snide, but he was being gracious in the way that, you know,
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he could. But when it became clear that this was like a thing, he then started to go all Trump. And
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then so, so, you know, first he's, he threatens Elon's contracts, right? Like this is where Trump
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actually is like, that's mean that, that, that to me was like, okay, you're, you're getting mean
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here, like actively. Right. And then Elon, you know, snaps back with the Epstein file stuff and
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saying that Trump is, is in the Epstein files and that the truth will come out. And he, he seems to
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be implying that he may have information. People have speculated on, does Elon have information?
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If Elon doesn't have information, this is going to look really bad for him.
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Note that Elon has since deleted this tweet. The reason why I do not believe he has information,
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and I'm going to tell the story as, as I remember it, but I will check this with Grog.
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No, no, I, I, I'll, I'll tell it because I actually looked it up and this is really compelling.
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Malcolm heard this discussed first on Leah Flitt's podcast, YouTube channel, whatever.
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Of Lisa, a YouTuber, yeah. The other new right person, other tech right person, you know what I
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mean? Yeah. But she, she pointed out that if Donald Trump knew that Donald Trump had, that
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Jeffrey Epstein had dirt on him, there would probably not be past evidence of Donald Trump
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slighting Jeffrey Epstein because you don't slight someone when they have really damaging stuff on
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you. However, according to the Grifters Club, which is a book about Mar-a-Lago. Great. I mean,
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it was flattering. Epstein's membership was terminated in October, 2007 after he hit on or harassed a
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teenage daughter of another club member. The book cites club members and investigative reporting from the
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Miami Herald stating that Trump kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member
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and that this was seen as necessary to protect the club's reputation. CBS 12 news also reported
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that Trump barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after allegedly sexually harassing a girl there.
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So this, this implies, and I mean, I think it's really compelling.
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Or any of this stuff was public, right? Trump banned Epstein for his properties for being any,
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and he also joked about this on camera in a way that was like, you guys should probably,
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there's this line of like Trump being like, he likes him young, like laughing uncomfortably.
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It seems to be implying like, look, I don't have time to do anything about this, but if you want to,
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like you should probably do something about this was, was very much the impression I've always,
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in fact, I am not aware of a single other institution or individual other than Trump
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calling out Epstein for being into underage kids before the big public reveal.
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So I double checked this with AI and it appears accurate. Trump is literally the only human being
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in the world who had his institutions ban Epstein for being a sex pest before he was publicly caught.
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Yeah. And I mean, I can understand why there are conspiracy theories about Epstein and Trump,
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because Trump had promised, I think, to release the-
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Well, so not just that, he was really close with Epstein and Epstein like called him his best friend
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at points and stuff like that. But I think Epstein was trying to get Trump and I think Trump wasn't
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Hmm. And Trump hasn't released the full Epstein files, but my suspicion there is that there is dirt
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on someone in there that Trump doesn't want to hurt.
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Specifically, your guess was one of his kids, which I can totally see.
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And one, Epstein would target one of Trump's kids, especially if Epstein was like trying to
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Also, you've got to keep in mind, so we, you know, as people who know a lot of rich people,
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we know people who have been targeted by Epstein. We know how the whole shtick works. You know,
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like he'll send young girls to your room when you're like doing something with him. And the
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problem is, is okay, so suppose you turn the girls away, right? Which is a person we know
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immediately turning the girls away. What can you, what can you, what can you do at that point?
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Right. Like he's still on record as having sent girls to you, right? Like he can still say,
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oh, I sent them to you. So I can understand like if, if, if Epstein tried to send girls to like
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Trump's room or something like that, and Trump sent the girls away, or he tried to send it to
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one of Trump kids' room, like still, would you want that coming out? Right? Like.
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Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, Donald Trump is fairly comfortable with people coming at him
00:24:16.840
with accusations and it's just happened so much at this point. Like who cares? I could see him having a
00:24:21.560
very different standard, even for baseless accusations when it comes to people that he
00:24:26.140
really cares about. And it doesn't have to necessarily be family. It could be anyone. So,
00:24:29.900
but I also understand how Elon Musk could, you know, scrolling Twitter, especially if we're really
00:24:36.480
tired, just be like, oh, you know, this is really, he's really angry. You know, again,
00:24:40.320
they have, and I think I also want to go into like how frustrating his position has been. I mean,
00:24:46.200
one, after he left Doge, like after he went from DC to do other really important work,
00:24:52.820
a lot of backstabbers and people who always hated the tech right faction and always hated him
00:24:58.100
personally, started getting in Trump's ear and started turning Trump away from tech right
00:25:04.800
appointments. For example, Jared Isaacman, who totally tech right figure was up to head of NASA.
00:25:12.620
Trump had appointed him and he was going through the process of confirmation. He was seen as like
00:25:20.200
clearly going to get through. Suddenly he was called and, you know, Trump, the president has
00:25:25.540
made a change, you know, strategic change, you know, thank you, but you're no longer the appointee.
00:25:30.820
Like, so people are getting kicked out. And I think that, that there are people who,
00:25:35.740
and obviously Steve Bannon is one of them, like just hates Elon Musk and are whispering in Trump's ear,
00:25:42.040
trying to undo really hard work. He's doing compounding. That is the fact that Elon Musk,
00:25:48.560
I think is very used to going really hard in on a project. Walter Isaacson described it as
00:25:55.520
demon mode. I think actually quoting Grimes, where he just like really zeros in on a project and like
00:26:03.940
loses everything else, but also like gets a ton done. And he also, and this shows up across both of
00:26:11.080
his biographies and any history of press coverage of him will pathologically over promise on a
00:26:17.600
project. And he'll eventually deliver. It's just going to be late, you know, and it takes a while
00:26:21.960
because he takes on the world's most challenging things. And before the, the 2024 election concluded,
00:26:29.980
Elon Musk was out there saying, I'm going to cut 2 trillion in government spending. You know,
00:26:34.700
this is going to be amazing with, you know, Doge. And then after the election and Trump had won,
00:26:39.920
he's like, Oh, I'm going to cut 1 trillion in spending. This is going to be great. And then early
00:26:45.100
2025, it's, it's 150 billion, you know, it's like going down and down because he is
00:26:52.100
like already, you know, having to contend with so many roadblocks just left and right.
00:27:02.740
It's like trying to run a company with your arms and legs tied up. Like, you know,
00:27:07.080
normally he's, he's running into his projects, basically wearing an Ironman suit. You know,
00:27:12.860
these are private companies and he runs hard and fast. Like he'll set up energy generation plants
00:27:18.540
without the proper approvals. Like, cause that's, that's move fast and break things. That's like
00:27:22.180
how a Silicon Valley mogul works. And that's how someone, you know, private individual,
00:27:26.800
a venture philanthropist will change the world. And it's great. But when you enter the government,
00:27:33.620
there are so many controls and there's so much red tape and so much bureaucracy that despite the
00:27:38.380
fact that you can go in with a flamethrower and try to take it out, it is so much more frustrating,
00:27:43.220
annoying. Yeah. It's, it's Ironman suit to having both your arms and legs tied behind your back.
00:27:47.480
So imagine how frustrating that would have been. Now in terms of estimates, it's still expected
00:27:52.220
that Doge is eventually going to save a trillion dollars, which is huge. And already are more,
00:27:59.100
maybe they, so far Doge has reported 160 to 180 billion, but this is, we're only a tiny bit in.
00:28:06.320
We're not even a year in. We've, we have time unless they sunset when they said they were going to
00:28:10.800
sunset. It's so incredible what they've been able to do. It's more than I ever thought I would ever see
00:28:16.040
from a government. I am so humbled by the accomplishments of Doge. I think it's one
00:28:20.200
of the biggest political projects we've seen of our lifetime. It is, you know, and the people
00:28:25.700
it brought in, like the best of the best. Like when I say my little brother, my little brother's
00:28:30.700
last job was running one of the largest chains of IVF clinics in the United States, which he grew
00:28:34.720
and sold. So he doesn't need to work at Doge. He's working at Doge because he's a genius and
00:28:41.660
And that's how this is with all these, all the people working at Doge, all these appointees,
00:28:45.680
all these people. I mean, like the, the, the guy who was supposed to run NASA, Jared Isaacman
00:28:51.800
is a billionaire. He's like, he's literally losing money by not spending his time on his
00:28:59.200
own projects. He lost six months of his life on this and didn't even get appointed. Very frustrating.
00:29:04.280
But anyway, I just want to point out how frustrating this must be for Elon Musk. And so I can understand
00:29:12.680
$300 million spent on the campaign. He helped Trump on the campaign trail, but, but, and, and,
00:29:17.560
and look at where things are now. So now Elon has basically accused Trump of being a, a PDA file,
00:29:23.640
right? Which is not awesome from Trump's perspective. Like Trump has to clap back on that.
00:29:27.960
It's not like a small thing. Right. And then, and then Elon says that he, SpaceX is going to
00:29:35.080
decommission the dragon spacecraft due to contract cancellation threats. Like, Oh, we're going to do
00:29:39.820
this preemptively. Like one, that's really sad if he does. Right. And then, you know, Elon is
00:29:46.820
suggesting that JD Vance replaced Trump based on the tariffs, which he's, he's always been against.
00:29:51.940
And I can understand, you know, your, the, the, the, the, a lot of tech right people being against
00:29:56.980
the tariffs. Like they don't sit great with me either. The reason why we're okay with them and
00:30:02.500
we're okay with them is, is America has to prepare for deglobalization and that China, you know, we
00:30:08.280
need to cut China out of more of our supply chains. And so this is basically a hard economic pill to
00:30:13.120
swallow, to make that happen. And Trump needs to deliver on his promises to the every man worker,
00:30:18.180
which was a big part of the voter, you know, base for him. And this does actually help them,
00:30:23.180
right? Like we can pretend it does, but it does, right? Like the cheap goods that were produced in
00:30:27.800
China, you know, now we're rolling up operations. Like even Simone and I were recently looking at
00:30:32.660
developing like a band that can do simple AI, like text to speech. So you can just talk to it
00:30:38.100
whenever you want. And, and then we're going to like white label this through different startups.
00:30:42.060
We have so many weird projects that we're working on, but anyway, this, this, this product,
00:30:45.780
I historically would have gone straight to China to make this product right now. I'm looking at
00:30:50.140
places I can make it in the U S I would not be doing that if not for these tariffs.
00:30:54.160
Yeah. And we, we appreciate that we have been incentivized Leslie, because we think that's
00:30:58.420
important. We think every country should be anticipating as I mean, back to that whole spending
00:31:04.960
thing, right? Governments are about to collapse. Like they cannot afford to government anymore in like
00:31:10.980
10 years. So we need to anticipate this and every government needs to figure out at least how to
00:31:16.360
build food security and energy independence. And then, you know, to whatever extent independence
00:31:21.040
with other things too, there will still be some trade in the future, obviously, but like, we just
00:31:25.000
need to better safe than sorry. And obviously there, there are ways that the tariffs could have been
00:31:30.200
approached or can still be approached that make it easier for us to ignite the manufacturing industry
00:31:36.900
here in the United States, because right now it's like tariffs kind of almost, they're also making
00:31:43.160
it harder for us to just build that infrastructure, which is frustrating. But yeah, I, you know,
00:31:50.140
yeah, it, it, it, every, it's frustrating for everyone involved, but I think in the end.
00:31:54.640
It's frustrating because it completely aligns with both of their characters. Like,
00:32:03.260
The writing was always on the wall. It was remarkable. It stayed together as long as it did.
00:32:07.740
It's, it's a situation where, you know, I'm not, I'm not coming out of this being like,
00:32:12.460
like this situation happened, fortunately, you know, after Elon had left, the bigger problem
00:32:17.660
with this situation is that it, it allows the, you know, deep state government slime type old,
00:32:27.580
To, yeah, on the right, the right has its own deep state. The right has its own, you know,
00:32:32.600
longstanding bureaucratic class that hated the tech rights. I hated them coming in. Oh,
00:32:38.460
what have you done? You haven't worked in government for 20 years. You only built a
00:32:42.140
They're not even that. They just don't like, they don't like our
00:32:47.200
Politics of tech acceleration, pro AI, all this stuff. They're very.
00:32:51.600
And so then they, they go and they snipe, you know, these guys projects and they use
00:32:56.120
the fact that there was a feud between Trump and AI to try to make the entire tech right
00:33:00.820
faction look mercurial and our loyalty, which is not the fact like it, you know, we have been
00:33:09.580
completely steadfast in support of the administration from the very beginning. And so has pretty much
00:33:16.500
every other major player I know, except for a few who spun out, which are pretty interesting
00:33:21.500
to talk about. Like we had Richard Hanania, who would have been like adjacent to the tech
00:33:24.820
right on the show in the early days of the show. And he spun out in an article. We also had Alex
00:33:29.680
Kishuda on the show. Do we have Alex Kishuda? I think so. I think we did. Yeah.
00:33:33.540
We may not have aired the episode. I may have forgotten to air it. Anyway,
00:33:35.600
I sometimes forget to air interviews, but you can't air it now because now she has a completely
00:33:39.660
different political position. Both of them turned against Trump, you know,
00:33:44.600
and the New York Times. Well, they're free to do so. And heterodox doesn't mean choosing a side.
00:33:48.700
No, no, no. But the New York Times did a piece on it and everything. And a lot of our audience
00:33:52.780
warned us about these individuals. Like when we had, you know, not about Alex Kishuda. Alex Kishuda,
00:33:58.000
she's not even American, whatever. Like I can understand why a non-American would be upset
00:34:01.580
about America's tariffs. But in regard to Richard Hanania, you know, when he first came on our show,
00:34:07.380
like our discord was all, oh, you can't trust that guy. You know, what a slime ball,
00:34:10.640
everything like that. No, this is. No, I went to Simone. Simone remembers. I was like,
00:34:16.220
man, like, I don't know what he did to like piss them off. Like, I'm afraid that I could piss off
00:34:21.780
like our audience. I don't want to get like a reputation of being like a grifter who's just
00:34:26.500
going with the wind wherever he thinks he can make more money. I don't want to be known as somebody
00:34:31.240
who, you know, people can't trust to have sort of a, like, I will change my political opinion over
00:34:37.300
time. But I try to always explain in detail in a way that is consistent with my character,
00:34:42.200
why my political opinion updated, like not in a way that feels grifter-y. And I was like,
00:34:48.380
maybe it's just capriciousness or maybe it's just that he's been known longer than I am,
00:34:52.340
that he's developed this reputation. And then I was like, I don't know, like, are we going to step
00:34:56.640
on the rake one day? And then he turns on MAGA, he turns on Trump all of a sudden. I was like,
00:35:01.280
oh, that's why they were doing that. They had a better read of him than I did.
00:35:06.640
And I mean, I don't, I don't see someone turning on Trump and MAGA. I mean, like,
00:35:12.880
I mean, it's, it's frustrating insofar as like, okay, well, what do you practically want to do
00:35:17.540
then? Because we have to move forward. And I'd rather move forward in a less wrong way than a,
00:35:22.360
an extremely wrong way. And I thought that voting Democrat or, I mean, voting independent is
00:35:27.680
throwing away your vote in the United States. Voting Democrat is, I would, I thought would be
00:35:33.180
much more damaging. So I, I, I get it from that perspective, but I'm also like, you know, do we,
00:35:38.020
I don't want to be that kind of person who defenestrates someone just because they choose
00:35:42.220
to not support a political candidate or criticize a political candidate.
00:35:45.900
I just agree with you to an extent. I think, you know, if you're on a team,
00:35:49.660
you need to have faith that the other people on that team will not, like,
00:35:54.940
we make different opinions. You and I make opinions. The Trump administration is, is,
00:36:00.960
is navigating a political tightrope and everything like that. You can't, because it's a political
00:36:06.060
tightrope that has multiple factions that have divergent needs within them. We have to be really
00:36:12.860
careful, like in, in writing the, the pronatalist book that I'm writing right now. One of the things
00:36:17.260
that I point out is, you know, Catholics and us have a completely different understanding of when,
00:36:23.060
for example, like life begins, right? Like we think they're killing kids because they're preventing
00:36:26.580
IVF. And I'm like, well, you know, if you prevent IVF, that's a human who would have been alive. Like
00:36:31.620
you are responsible for all of the decisions in the timeline that you choose, even the ones that
00:36:37.300
affect people who aren't born yet. Like just because the person isn't born doesn't mean that
00:36:42.080
you haven't harmed them. Like if I go back in time and I sterilize my wife, I have prevented my kids
00:36:47.400
from existing. I'm responsible for that. And then they think that we are because of like the IVF stuff.
00:36:50.920
So like, how do you get over this? Right. And it's like, well, you've got to say, okay, cultural
00:36:55.080
sovereignty, because at the end of the day, both they, and we, in terms of the laws, we could actually
00:37:00.820
get past, have a huge amount of overlap. They're not going to be able to ban abortion entirely.
00:37:05.340
We're not going to be able to create a super soldier program in the United States. Those positions
00:37:09.140
are not going to win. So, but we can both restrict abortion more. We can both, you know,
00:37:15.180
remove the gender ideology stuff in schools. That's something we both want. We can both,
00:37:19.100
you know, but the problem is, is if you can't trust these people in this alliance to not attempt
00:37:27.000
to jump for the things that are going to lose the entire alliance, like, like votes, just so their
00:37:33.940
faction can get little wins. How can we trust it? How can we trust them to not ban IVF? If we're
00:37:39.840
going to push for something like, you know, pushing for entitlement cuts, if we push for entitlement cuts,
00:37:44.740
which we already are cutting drastically, but I mean, even more drastic entitlement cuts,
00:37:49.400
we're, we could lose future elections. And that's something that, yes, we, the tech right,
00:37:53.920
really care about, but we've got to have compromises. And if they can't trust that we're not going to
00:37:58.940
turn on them as they try to compromise to, to, to work with the various factions here, it's very hard to
00:38:05.640
navigate in a fight that I see as like existential. It's a fight for human civilization.
00:38:10.680
It's a fight for, against a, a faction in, within the United States who divides humans based on their
00:38:17.580
ethnicity and gender, that divides humans based on their, you know, sexual preferences, that, that, that
00:38:24.140
has all of these horrifying beliefs that, you know, distributing COVID vaccines based on ethnicity and
00:38:31.420
not based on risk, right? Like that is, this is, this is wild to me. And, and out of all of these things
00:38:38.260
that places Jews at the bottom again, you know, we've seen this before, like the people that we're
00:38:43.280
fighting against, we may have differing ideology, but like we have these differing ideologies,
00:38:49.280
you know, Elon's worry about government spending, I think is completely accurate, right? Like this is
00:38:56.400
something we need to be worried about the, the other factions worried about, you know, entitlements
00:39:02.080
and us being able to win elections. If we, if we cut like Medicaid or, or, or social security or
00:39:07.100
something like that, that's, that's a completely honest. And to me, when I look at this bill,
00:39:14.020
it looks like a compromise. And this is why I got really mad. It was like the heritage foundation
00:39:17.940
thing. Like, not, not mad, but I was disappointed in them, to be honest. I wasn't mad at them. I was
00:39:21.560
just like, come on guys. Because like their pro natalist person did some piece on how you're like,
00:39:26.440
you're not a real pro natalist if you're doing like IVF. And, and if you want humans to improve
00:39:31.160
over generations. And if you, you know, want like genetic technology and I'm like, come on,
00:39:35.880
this has been core to Americana and Americanism from our inception. This is, even when you look
00:39:42.600
at our anti-Nazi stuff, who was the anti-Nazi, but Captain America, a human who was genetically
00:39:48.800
augmented by scientists to improve what humanity is and what an American can be. And the, you don't
00:39:56.340
want to engage with this stuff is totally fine for me. Right. Like we can work together
00:40:01.720
because then the stuff we can actually get past, we have the same goals, but it's, it's,
00:40:07.840
it's, it's disappointing to see this play out, but especially like to them, the leftist media's
00:40:16.340
glee or even mainstream media's glee, like literally, cause I can't turn it off. Cause I have a Mac.
00:40:21.940
Apple news keeps showing me headlines and recent economist headlines was the sort of gleeful.
00:40:29.300
Trump has many ways to hurt Elon Musk. If he wants to like, here's a way in case you're getting mad.
00:40:37.200
Just, just look at this list. It's just so annoying. Like everyone's just jumping on this. Like, yes,
00:40:43.920
finally, they have no more power. And I know like Doge is still here. Doge is still happening.
00:40:52.000
The first of them that backs down from all of this is going to look like the bigger man in a big way.
00:40:58.700
That's what I will say. The first of them that is just like, you know what?
00:41:03.360
Whatever. I know you can't say I was wrong. I know neither of you can say that.
00:41:07.760
I would note here that both parties significantly deescalated over the weekend with Elon deleting
00:41:12.860
tweets, Elon wishing Trump well on X, Trump in turn saying that he was not preoccupied with the
00:41:19.980
feud, but just, just replying with great. This is no longer a fight for dominance. This is a fight
00:41:28.240
that makes our entire faction look bad. And again, it's not a fight that anyone didn't expect. I was
00:41:35.280
shocked when Doge was actually set up. I was shocked every week it continued to operate with
00:41:41.100
the progressive media trying to drive. Oh yeah. I was so sure it wasn't actually
00:41:43.700
going to happen. Like it sounded so cool. I was so sure it wasn't going to happen.
00:41:46.320
Like wouldn't it be crazy if that actually happened?
00:41:48.360
Yeah, no, that was one of my, like, what? Come on. They'd never actually make that happen,
00:41:52.780
right? Obviously I want American Academy more than Doge. And I want the, the, the other
00:41:58.440
unpromised voter promise that I'm really upset hasn't been done yet is the one that makes it
00:42:02.900
illegal for tech companies to censor except based on CP and terrorism. And you have to tell people
00:42:08.320
when they're censoring stuff, that was a campaign promise that was really important to me that I
00:42:11.740
haven't seen action taken on yet. But other than those two, Doge was like my top thing. And I thought
00:42:16.520
it was like a fantasy thing, right? Like, and, and we got it. It's alive and well, guys.
00:42:22.160
The time and money that Elon sacrificed to make Doge happen, I think was civilizationally
00:42:27.980
saving potentially, but you know, I've just, was, was this particular battle? I've got to call it.
00:42:33.620
Like I see it. Right. You know? And I, I think reaffirm where we stand, which is, you know,
00:42:42.580
with JD, right? Like if, if JD turns on Trump, that's when, when you can be like, okay,
00:42:49.800
our loyalty becomes bad now it's gone bad. Yeah. I'd be like, JD knows a lot of what's going on.
00:42:56.720
He's very cunning. I really trust his judgment. If he is turning on Trump, I would say,
00:43:02.560
especially I'd say that like, okay, I actually need to think about this now, right? Like does
00:43:07.140
this alliance continue to make sense? And, and which team am I on? But the Trump and Elon falling
00:43:14.600
out, everyone knew that would happen. And you were an idiot if you didn't think this was going to
00:43:17.460
happen eventually. We've always been like, I can't believe that the two like most powerful people
00:43:22.180
in the world are somehow able to work together. That, that seems, especially two people with
00:43:27.840
such fiery personas. Now you said one of the things when we were talking about this is you're
00:43:35.580
like, yeah, well, all of these old bureaucrats from the old right needs to learn. The new right
00:43:39.940
is eventually going to replace them. What are your thoughts on that?
00:43:43.020
Well, yeah, the, the, the new, the new right represents any, basically a, a high fertility
00:43:55.100
What's the high fertility technophilic culture that is incredibly focused on cultural sovereignty.
00:44:00.400
That is the core value system of the new right.
00:44:05.320
Yes. And that those are the only cultures in our view that are going to have power in
00:44:12.300
the future, because what else do you have? Okay. So what, what we have is low fertility
00:44:16.140
technophilic cultures, which is basically the urban monoculture. That's not going to
00:44:20.900
inherit the future and in any meaningful way. And then you have high fertility technophobic
00:44:25.680
cultures, which while maybe very large in number are not going to get to call the shots because
00:44:31.780
in the end, the drone swarm is going to, the guy with the drone swarm is going to call
00:44:36.160
the shots. The, the, the, the families who have genetically engineered kids who don't get
00:44:42.940
diseases and are more impervious to germ warfare and who are incredibly, you know, smart and
00:44:49.080
athletic and pro social and everyone loves them are going to win and dominate social media
00:44:54.180
and all these other things and sell the products that everyone else buys.
00:44:58.100
Yeah. So it's really important that the old guard of the right, that in, in some cases
00:45:05.480
here, we are seeing trying to poison the tech right in president Trump's ear, get with the
00:45:12.200
fact, the reality that if we're looking at the long game, they really want to be friends
00:45:18.380
with these guys. And I think the reason why there's this remaining active animosity is the
00:45:24.100
particular people who are very anti tech, right? Are only thinking for themselves and this current
00:45:32.120
generation in this current time and their power and influence today.
00:45:36.020
Yeah. For them, this is, it's like it is for the Democrats. It's a complete power game. It's a
00:45:40.960
complete like, Oh, let's get with the King. Let's give it there. They're not thinking about the long
00:45:45.240
term of the empire. And, and the, the tech right is always thinking about the longterm. That's the
00:45:50.060
thing that really differentiates the two. One of the things that differentiates the two factions
00:45:54.160
and, and particularly the loudest voices here, I see is entirely self-interested, which is really,
00:46:01.900
really sad to see that they've been able to gain as much power as they have to be able to cause
00:46:07.760
these sorts of divisions that do nothing but hurt the Republican party's electability.
00:46:12.360
Yeah. It's depressing, but yeah, we'll see how this plays out. I mean, everyone loves a little
00:46:20.340
drama, so. Well, if Elon does start a new party, are you going to, are you going to, what would you,
00:46:25.620
what would you do in regards to that? I mean, with all his money and influence behind it.
00:46:30.200
Oh, if there's like a new party, kind of like Elon Musk was suggesting that we need a new party.
00:46:35.880
Well, yeah. I mean, he does have one of the largest social media platforms, a lot of money.
00:46:40.220
Listen, we've had a lot of people talk about new parties.
00:46:45.700
It doesn't work. It would just divide the right. Like the right.
00:46:49.540
It just doesn't work every time. Like I'm sure academics and economists and political scientists
00:46:57.120
have detailed models. I'm pretty sure I've listened to at least like five NPR segments on why it is
00:47:04.340
literally technically impossible to create a viable third party per the United States current political
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system. So it's just not a conversation we're having around a new party. Like what did he and
00:47:17.140
Trump blow up over? It was like entitlement in you. Yes. Every reasonable person in America knows that
00:47:24.920
we can't keep working with the existing entitlement system, but every reasonable person also knows no
00:47:30.460
one can win a majority of votes fighting the existing entitlement system. So we're agreeing
00:47:36.260
to pay more in taxes. Yeah. Like while asking people to pay more in taxes, you're going to pay
00:47:41.360
more and get less like, okay, you can, you can show them on a sheet. Like this is the only thing that
00:47:46.720
works, but you're not gonna, you're not going to win an election. Yeah. I mean, I think if you sat
00:47:52.360
someone down and had the reasonable conversation and you told them like, well, basically the U S
00:47:57.560
government is going to start just printing money like crazy to keep being able to pay for these
00:48:03.860
programs, meaning that money is going to lose a lot of its value and we'll see hyperinflation and
00:48:09.080
everyone's going to have to adjust to live a very compared to our terms now austere lifestyle. You could
00:48:15.200
also tighten your belt right now and live a halfway there austere lifestyle so that your kids maybe have a
00:48:21.980
a little bit easier. And I think most people are going to be like, you know what, I think I'm going
00:48:25.180
to take my chances with the whole printing money, hyperinflation thing. That, that is literally what
00:48:31.700
a lot of people are going to do. And, and, and, and the thing is, is people just don't think about
00:48:36.600
tomorrow, you know? And, and what we need to do on the tech, right. Is figure out how to utilize
00:48:44.680
the mindless drone vote to make marginal improvements before the system collapses.
00:48:52.660
We can't do what logical and rational because we're not dealing with a logical and rational
00:48:58.920
voter base. Our founders tried to prevent this situation. They tried to create a system where we
00:49:04.680
elected electorates who were smart and rational and who could think through everything and who would
00:49:10.000
vote on our behalf. Decidedly. And this was something, this is one reason why I have loved
00:49:17.240
the tech rights sabbaticals essentially that have been taking place in government where these
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incredible investors, entrepreneurs, you know, billionaires in some cases, you know, people who
00:49:28.720
are very, very successful from the business world are taking stints to do service in the U S government.
00:49:34.100
Is it that really to me reflects what the founding fathers wanted? You know, these are people who had
00:49:40.860
their own lives, their own careers, their own families who did not become an, or want to be
00:49:46.240
career politicians who stepped up to serve in the U S government and then stepped back down. And that's
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George Washington was really trying to set that tone. He was like, I'm not going to be your King.
00:49:56.620
I'm going to go off and live in Mount Vernon with my fricking Christmas camel and my farm.
00:50:03.180
And it's going to be great. And that is what I just loved seeing that in this administration of
00:50:10.120
like, maybe we can come back to the system of governance where we have this rotation of brilliant
00:50:15.760
people voluntarily serving in the U S government because a place has been made for them and making
00:50:21.840
it better. But that's going to keep happening now, especially since I, you know, I think the great
00:50:29.200
thing about the people who are right now trying to poison the tech, right. And president Trump's
00:50:33.480
a year is that they're so venomous as people in general, that they're, they're not going to last
00:50:38.320
very long politically. They're, they're, they're, they're vile venomous snake, deep state slime who
00:50:44.220
will bite you the moment you turn your back. And I, and I think Trump relying on them in his first,
00:50:49.020
you know, period in office is why almost nothing got done. And I think the people who show this
00:50:54.640
tendency to betray people who are trying to work alongside them to achieve great ends, we, as,
00:51:01.260
as sort of like a wider faction, we need to have a forgiveness rule, but if it's a repeated pattern,
00:51:06.720
you know, we need to be like, this is not somebody we can trust anymore. I don't care, you know,
00:51:11.480
how many years you've been working in government. If you turned around and betrayed the collective
00:51:16.820
movement for your individual aims and your factions, individual goals in a way that doesn't help
00:51:24.040
win votes or isn't was in the ideological overlap, you're not, you're out period. And I think
00:51:31.760
what people aren't seeing yet is JD Vance hasn't been making calls yet. Cause he's not running the
00:51:38.240
party yet, but he will be eventually. And I think he is significantly more shrewd on that front and
00:51:47.660
will be more aggressive on that front than Trump has been. And a lot of these people don't understand
00:51:52.420
that they're playing this system with, you know, Trump's like really sharp for, for what he is.
00:51:59.640
Right. But also he's like what? 78 years old, 78 years old, you know, and he's, he's got multiple
00:52:07.380
factions whispering in his ear that are new to him. He didn't grow up with, he doesn't exactly know,
00:52:13.640
you know, he's new to the Republican party at all. Right. Like this guy is a New York Democrat,
00:52:17.980
you know, coming into this and, and JD Vance is seeing every venomous self-dealing snake try to
00:52:27.020
manipulate this 80 year old man. And while he may not be making moves now, I expect him to be making
00:52:33.620
moves eventually. And I don't think the Democrats have anyone in the lineup who can compete with
00:52:39.820
somebody like JD. Anyway, I love you to death, Simone. Are we going to try sushi tonight?
00:52:49.860
No, because we have to thaw out the meat ingredients.
00:52:54.660
If I take it out now, maybe by Sunday, we can try it.
00:53:01.560
Would you be okay with trying California rolls tonight? We have all the ingredients for that.
00:53:05.220
Oh, we'd need to get more of the basic ingredients. What's in a California roll?
00:53:11.340
A California roll is a cucumber, an avocado and imitation crab.
00:53:19.080
So why don't we, why don't we do Sunday? And today, would you prefer to have...
00:53:31.840
Whatever the other batch you're drawing from, it sometimes has, like, weirdly cooked hard
00:53:41.980
Try to cut out all the bits I think aren't going to be perfect.
00:53:49.820
Well, we're going to move to more tofu to see if I can get more consistently.
00:53:54.540
Oh, yeah. Don't say that, though. You'll freak out your audience.
00:53:59.240
Soy boy? Malcolm's trying more tofu to get the inconsistent texture.
00:54:05.380
No, sorry. Malcolm is going to be butchering calves on our property going forward.
00:54:24.620
I only fuel my car with biodiesel made out of elderly people.
00:54:32.440
I mean, like, I think there's something very appealing about a cow that has been
00:54:36.460
munching on this verdant grass under a field, you know?
00:54:53.200
They're just full of red dye number 40 and soda.
00:55:00.180
I don't imagine it would be very healthy to eat a homeless person.
00:55:25.400
And, you know, they've got all sorts of diseases.
00:55:28.180
Yeah, like, if it was running into the road, like, I don't know.
00:55:32.580
And, like, I don't know what it's been going through recently.
00:55:42.200
We talk about being from, like, the greater Appalachian subgroup
00:55:44.880
and having very different impulses than I think your average American.
00:55:49.140
And that our impulse, despite the fact that neither of us have ever
00:55:56.400
is when we see roadkill, we're like, huh, I wonder if it's fresh enough.
00:56:03.360
I mean, in our defense, as long as it doesn't look mangled.
00:56:05.840
I mean, obviously, like, if the meat's all smushed and there's, like, glass in it.
00:56:13.760
Our audience can be like, no, all humans have this impulse.
00:56:16.540
Or no, this is you crazy, savage, backwoods people.
00:56:20.140
You are the only ones who, when you see roadkill,
00:56:24.720
Well, people think really carefully about, like, is this a grass-fed cow or not?
00:56:32.980
Like, I think really carefully, even just, like, eating their eggs.
00:56:40.520
This reminds me of the RFK story that made me like him so much about the bear.
00:56:45.500
The bear had accidentally been hit and killed on the road.
00:56:47.860
And so he put it in his trunk, took it to Central Park and put it in the bike lanes
00:56:56.440
This was only because he realized that he couldn't get it in home in time
00:57:00.260
to freeze it and eat its meat before he had to fly somewhere.
00:57:04.020
But he was planning to freeze it and eat his meat, for example.
00:57:06.540
Yeah, and then he was like, well, crap, now I have a bear and I have to dump it.
00:57:10.040
And there had been a lot of bike accidents in Central Park recently.
00:57:14.160
I'm just going to find a bike and make it look like this is some kind of accident.
00:57:18.820
It didn't come out until, what, like 30 years later?
00:57:23.300
A leading politician had staged the bear being hit by a bike.
00:57:30.000
I mean, that's the only place where I guess it kind of goes wrong.
00:57:32.620
Because, you know, he's making bicyclists look bad
00:57:40.500
I have literally no problem with making bicyclists look bad.
00:57:47.560
It's really sad that a baby bear got hit by a car.
00:57:50.200
But, like, trying to make the most of it, you know, like, bear meat is interesting.
00:57:57.180
I know a lot of people go through a lot of work to get bear meat.
00:58:02.240
I used to get detained all the time at airports because I was flagged as, like, a bad person, I guess, when I was a teen.
00:58:12.360
And so I was always detained in, like, those waiting rooms where they search absolutely everything in your bag.
00:58:20.400
They have these, like, anime-themed lighters when I was in Tokyo on one trip with my dad.
00:58:27.240
And I've just bought a ton of them and just taped them all together in my suitcase, which was probably not a good idea.
00:58:38.820
And this one time I was detained for, like, two hours next to these bear hunters with, like, just a ton of guns and this giant freezer bag.
00:58:48.440
And I'm, like, that is dedication, you know, like, to go through detention on...
00:58:56.580
I think they were flying to either Alaska or Canada and, like, wait that long and carry all of that gear.
00:59:07.360
I gained a lot of respect for people who want to kill and eat bears in that one day.
00:59:12.560
Because I did penance for doing absolutely nothing wrong.
00:59:22.900
Did you grow up hearing about people eating roadkill?
00:59:28.800
I don't think any of my family friends ate roadkill.
00:59:34.880
And we lived in a very, like, dense suburban area.
01:00:11.520
Google that one if you guys want to be scarred for a day.
01:00:16.080
This one's going to come out before the other one because we're going to rush to get this one out.
01:00:19.340
So you guys can look forward to how a complete monster started the concept of gender ideology and sexual orientation.
01:00:28.860
And I'm not, like, nobody would disagree that this person was a complete monster, right?
01:00:34.640
When you first said complete monster, I'm like, ah, exaggeration, I'm sure.