Based Camp - Elon vs. Trump： Is This the End of the New Right？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I am actually not so excited to be here with you today. I do not like what's going

00:00:05.860 on right now. Between Elon and Trump, there has been a big falling out, a big fight that's been

00:00:12.480 happening online. I mean, it has gone nuclear on both sides. And people may ask, oh, is this the

00:00:20.500 end of the tech right? No, it's not. This is a fight that, while I am disappointed in the people

00:00:27.660 involved in it, I did not expect more for them. If anything, I'm kind of amazed they kept things

00:00:35.440 going for as long as they did. And they didn't fall to the progressive nonsense. If anything,

00:00:41.380 it almost feels like this fight happened as soon as the progressives stopped trying to drive them

00:00:46.080 apart. Because now they could have a falling out without it looking like they were tricked into it

00:00:51.060 by progressives. That's a fun theory. I think that ironically, the months and months of progressives

00:00:57.520 trying to do stories like, oh, President Elon and stuff like this ended up with Trump and Elon

00:01:04.480 feeling like they can't break up without making it look like progressives won. And then Elon leaves

00:01:09.320 his job with the administration. I'll note here, he left his job with the administration. Doge is still

00:01:14.900 operational. My little brother works for Doge. Everything he set up was already on auto when he

00:01:22.140 left, right? And I'll also note here that just because Elon has decided to create a beef with Trump,

00:01:30.860 that does not mean that the tech right has a beef with Trump. This is a personal issue. This is not

00:01:39.320 an issue really of politics. There was a political angle to it that started a lot of it. But this is not

00:01:48.240 something that changes the tech rights opinion. And when people hear the tech right, they think tech

00:01:52.920 workers. When really, I think a better way to think of the tech in that is the right that is downstream

00:01:58.680 of the online communities, like 4chan and Gamergate and all of that. Like, Asmogold, I would see as a more

00:02:07.820 central figure in the tech right than Elon, in terms of sort of culture setting and idea generation.

00:02:16.380 Like, if somebody like Asmogold or like Nuxinor or us came out and are like, we are anti-Trump now or

00:02:25.080 we are anti-MAGA now, like, I would be like, the tech right has a major issue. Like, that two really

00:02:32.200 big egos who, you know, had worked together for as long as they did, actually, like, I kind of respect

00:02:40.740 them both more just that they kept it going for as long as they did, because I did not expect it.

00:02:43.680 That is really important. They're such strong personalities that kind of, I see as only being

00:02:49.720 able to, there can only be one in the room. And yet there were so many instances of both in the

00:02:55.800 same room, both working together, both sharing the headlines. Yeah, it felt so crazy. And I mean,

00:03:02.660 nothing that has happened recently undoes what Elon Musk did, which was play a pivotal role in getting

00:03:10.500 President Trump elected. Potentially. I mean, Trump denies that. Let's put it out. What I would say

00:03:17.240 is I don't, I wouldn't say that Trump would definitely have been elected without Elon's help.

00:03:21.920 I'm saying he might have been. Elon helped solidify the tech right partnership. But the truth is,

00:03:28.360 is that Elon, if you're talking about like, who's the political king of the tech right, like who's

00:03:33.500 actually the tech right king, it's JD Vance. It's not. Obviously it's a vice president. Yeah.

00:03:39.120 Next in line to the throne. Hello. Put in place by like Peter Thiel. Like he couldn't be more,

00:03:44.140 he's a former VC, former atheist, now Christian, like us, former VC, former atheist, now Christian,

00:03:50.280 you know. And JD Vance, by the way, is a very active vice president. I think for those who are

00:03:55.440 outside the United States or even in it, in the United States in general, a vice president is fairly

00:04:01.000 feckless, not involved, kind of like, I mean, there was even one, one vice president in American

00:04:06.520 history who basically spent his entire term totally blitzed in New York, not even in DC.

00:04:13.180 You know, typically they have pretty distant offices and they, they play a very symbolic role,

00:04:18.700 but JD Vance's office is in the West wing of the white house. It is, it is down the hall

00:04:23.700 from president Trump. He is actively involved. So this is, he's in history, one of the most active

00:04:29.260 vice presidents. So not only was he selected and is that a major tone being sent by a now two-term

00:04:36.400 president about what the future of the party is going to look at, but he also in his, from everything

00:04:42.880 from the logistical position of his office to the active role he's playing in the Trump administration,

00:04:48.540 JD Vance absolutely is the, the figurehead of the new right and the functional head of the new right.

00:04:54.940 And I really appreciate that. Like, I'd like to say like everything that Elon has done for society

00:05:02.560 and the world and, and, you know, in terms of the things he's built, because he's done a lot

00:05:06.940 in terms of the spaceship work, in terms of his work in, you know, this culture formation. He isn't,

00:05:13.460 I think like, if you're even like, come on, most tech, right. People don't see him as the guy who's

00:05:17.240 like actually leading things. And no, I mean, it was never not understood that Elon is a mercurial

00:05:23.980 guy. He's not somebody who you want to, he's somebody you want to get stuff done, not to be

00:05:29.100 the ideological figurehead of a movement in the way that JD Vance is. JD Vance is almost sort of the

00:05:34.620 opposite here where he is. If you watch any of his speeches or anything like that, he's incredibly

00:05:40.200 thoughtful and cunning in terms of how he sort of stacks the deck. And that's something that I

00:05:48.000 really appreciate. And for me, a big part of all of this is it from everybody involved is loyalty is,

00:05:53.800 is a big value of mine. And so even when, because there's been multiple instances in which I feel

00:05:59.680 like the administration has done things that the tech rate would disagree with, but like, I have been

00:06:05.820 very easy to be like, well, the Alliance matters more than the individual policy things, because we,

00:06:11.820 we only together can we fight the urban monoculture. And, and if we fall apart, America falls apart.

00:06:17.440 Like the other side is demonic in every way, I think can be demonic. You know, they, they sort humans 0.99

00:06:25.880 by their ethnic group. They sort humans by their sexuality. They strip humans of their identity and, 0.99

00:06:32.880 you know, national pride and ethnic pride and any, any, the pride in their ancestors and what they

00:06:40.040 built there. It's, it's horrifying, right. To, to see what they've done. And we can all work together

00:06:47.200 and agree that like, we, we can fight for each of us to raise kids our own way, but let's go into the

00:06:54.580 details of what happened exactly here. Yeah. As you pointed out first, Elon Musk left Doge. I would,

00:07:02.380 we would say well before this particular tussle started. Amicably, amicably. And then unfortunately

00:07:07.600 the news stopped trying to drive them apart. And then what happened? Well, then Elon Musk comes out

00:07:16.260 quite publicly against sort of the, the big, very important piece of the big bill, the big, the one

00:07:24.940 big, beautiful bill that, that Trump has been talking about since before he was elected. It includes

00:07:31.380 many of his major campaign promises. And it's really important that it is passed now because

00:07:36.860 this is sort of the one period during his four-year tenure when it is expected for him to have the

00:07:43.640 majority in the house and Senate. He needs to get it passed the, the one big, beautiful bill,

00:07:49.760 which is, it's, it's a budget reconciliation bill. It's, it's, it's a very specific type of bill

00:07:55.240 is also, it's something that can be passed because it's just a budget reconciliation. It's not about

00:07:59.920 like, like necessarily new stuff, really. It's just about sort of how we reconcile the budget,

00:08:05.900 meaning that it doesn't need as much of a majority in order to pass, which is another reason why,

00:08:10.200 like, this is such a, a feasible win for the Trump administration. And also again,

00:08:17.260 why it's so important because it's delivering on many campaigns.

00:08:19.620 Also it, it, it, it breaks a number of his campaign promises if it doesn't get passed.

00:08:23.960 Yeah. And one of the reasons it has to be so, from my understanding, at least is it, is, it has

00:08:29.960 to be so big is to, because a lot of stuff is expiring and, and this is a bill that, that sort of

00:08:39.780 reaffirms the status quo and it may be a non-sustainable status quo, but if Trump does begin to cut

00:08:47.060 benefits and stuff like that, that was always like his first and central promise. It wasn't

00:08:51.320 something I like, but it was something that I signed on for when I chose this alliance. And it

00:08:57.160 was a promise that I believe he absolutely needed to make, to get the votes to win.

00:09:02.020 Well, I had to betray the people voting on him.

00:09:04.280 Most about Trump in this administration, his, his second term in office has been this ruthless,

00:09:13.200 efficient delivery on promises. So it would be really weird if he was like, ah, but you

00:09:19.660 know what, to be responsible. And I'm going to get into in a little bit why being responsible

00:09:26.100 is a lot harder than we could even fathom. But like, yeah, I mean, it would be so weird

00:09:31.220 if he-

00:09:31.460 I mean, we've also got to talk about like how, you know, Elon calling the bill, like it really

00:09:36.060 started with Elon saying a bunch of bad stuff about Trump and Trump trying really hard to

00:09:41.580 not take the bait for a while before he finally like went hard.

00:09:46.080 He called it literally a grotesque monstrosity filled with excessive pork and quote, a massive

00:09:52.280 outrageous pork filled congressional spending bill. Like he, you know, I know-

00:09:57.340 That was passed in the dead of the night when Congress couldn't read it.

00:10:01.180 And, and even after that, you know, Trump was like, oh, you know, we had a good friendship and

00:10:06.300 everything like that. And then, you know, he, he starts saying, well, you know, Elon Musk

00:10:10.780 has gone crazy or he's wearing thin. Like even, even his reaction, I think later was pretty

00:10:17.540 generous, which is to be like, I don't understand why he's acting this way. You know, like these

00:10:22.080 are campaign promises I made. Like, what am I supposed to do? Right. You know, and, and

00:10:26.200 they were campaign promises he needed to make to win.

00:10:29.100 Like the-

00:10:29.300 I think that would be a good time too, for us to expand on this a little bit. So what were

00:10:33.280 some of these campaign promises? So one of them, for example, was obviously to maintain

00:10:39.080 the tax cuts that he had promised that, that he had first implemented. So while the congressional

00:10:44.580 budget office points out, says a lot of people think this is deeply unfair, that the bill

00:10:50.640 increases our primary, that is non-interest budget deficit by 2.4 trillion over 10 years

00:10:57.280 with the total deficit increase being 3 trillion. This is only be because they expected that tax

00:11:06.740 revenue of everyone's taxes going up for the average American, it would have been between

00:11:11.180 two and a half thousand and three and a half thousand dollars a year. So like non-trivially

00:11:16.040 like, ouch for that to happen. So they were basically like, well, we expected that money.

00:11:20.920 And because this bill keeps things as they are, now you're increasing the deficit. But that

00:11:26.560 was one big thing. Other things that he had promised were no taxes on tips. That was a big

00:11:31.700 thing, which is in there. There are some things aside from the tax cut extension and some other

00:11:39.160 promises that he had made regarding like Medicare benefits, which were slightly expanded that I am not

00:11:45.880 so sure about. So there was a 150 billion defense spending increase. A lot of people are arguing that

00:11:52.440 maybe that's where the pork is because defense contractors are largely benefit, I mean, hugely

00:11:56.740 benefiting from that. Yeah. They're all like DEI riddled and everything like that. I would not

00:12:01.840 have personally pushed for that, but in, you know, in the scale of government spending.

00:12:06.580 Yeah. And there's also this really random suppressor tax elimination for gun suppressors.

00:12:12.760 It removes a $200 tax on gun suppressors. Gun owners were really happy about that one.

00:12:18.540 I know. I mean, like it's God bless America, right? Like don't tax our guns, but it's one

00:12:23.380 of those things of like, well, clearly the gun lobby put that in, you know, this is not one of

00:12:30.020 those, you know, you've got to make up for this money when it disappears. Right. And that's,

00:12:35.820 that's what this bill is about. Yeah. And I mean, and I also want to give credit to the bill and that

00:12:41.340 it reduces incentives on renewable energy. So that that's a cut in, in spending. Of course,

00:12:48.440 some people point to that and they're like, that's more pork because fossil fuels interests

00:12:53.060 benefit from it. There were also Medicaid and SNAP cuts. A SNAP is basically, it's our,

00:12:58.080 it's our food assistance program in the United States. So millions of people will lose coverage

00:13:03.760 due to stricter eligibility. One thing that the guys on the online podcast pointed out though,

00:13:09.820 is that the cuts that they've made to these programs don't even bring them back to pre-pandemic

00:13:14.760 levels that they had been hiked up. Yes. They, they'd been hiked up insanely when like everyone

00:13:20.840 was out of work and we're just like, we're on emergency mode, spend all the money, which I can

00:13:25.300 understand, but that's over, you know, we're in the new world. We need to cut that back to pre-pandemic

00:13:32.460 spending. So I feel like they could have done a little bit more. So like, well, I, I think that the

00:13:38.220 extent of the financial damage of this bill is distorted and that there was this expectation

00:13:43.460 of tax revenue resulting from a tax cut lifting that. I mean, but this is the thing, the thing

00:13:52.420 about what Trump's doing here is he has to make a bill that can pass. Yeah. Okay. With, it was in the

00:13:57.840 current political reality that we are living in. And the thing that makes me feel bad about how this

00:14:03.900 sort of played out is you have Trump attacking. I mean, Elon is attacking Trump for the size of

00:14:10.560 this bill, mostly because Trump tried to brand it as a big, beautiful bill, which is a normal Trump

00:14:16.720 thing. Very Trump. Yes. I don't think that Trump likes, really likes that a big bill is passing

00:14:21.880 either, but that's how he brand things to get people excited. And, and then he puts in what he can

00:14:27.800 while cutting what he thinks he can get away with cutting. Right. And they did. I mean, it's,

00:14:32.720 it is impressive given how any cut to some kind of like to snap to Medicaid is, is like voters are

00:14:40.100 mad about that. Right. Cause like the people who come out to these city council meetings, like

00:14:44.660 the people who voted in favor of this bill, the politicians who did are going to get so much

00:14:51.460 heat for this already. There is this one woman who like has gone viral because in some town hall 1.00

00:14:56.900 meeting, people are like, people are going to die because of these cuts. And she's like, well,

00:15:00.660 we're all going to die. And then she got heat for that. And I'm just making it. Yeah. This is a lot

00:15:06.960 of people are putting a lot of political capital on the line to make this happen. You know, this was

00:15:11.900 downstream of a lot of negotiations. And this is hard. Even this is hard. The Trump guys who put

00:15:18.640 this bill together, they didn't, they wanted to cut back snap cards further. I can almost guarantee

00:15:23.880 you. Cause I like, no, some of these guys, they're not happy that this is, they, they, they limited

00:15:29.140 themselves because this is what they thought they could do to best meet the campaign promises

00:15:34.580 as to why Trump reacted to Elon this way. What else was he supposed to do in the first place

00:15:40.540 other than be sort of snide or then say he's crazy. And then Elon is like, well, then Trump is 0.56

00:15:45.800 replaced by a body double. Right. You know, or, or like, but I don't see, this doesn't come off

00:15:50.340 as like, Trump has always been an economic populist on, on this sort of stuff.

00:15:55.100 I mean, aside from the fact that a president is obligated to follow through with his campaign

00:16:00.500 promises, I just want to point out that let's, let's just say hypothetically, the Trump administration

00:16:07.460 worked with congressional Republicans to pass a bill that literally halted all discretionary

00:16:14.500 spending. So operational, military, et cetera, while only maintaining social security, better,

00:16:19.880 veterans benefits, Medicare, Medicaid, and debt interest payments. So like just the stuff

00:16:24.180 to keep the people alive. Right. Everything else is gone, gone. No building new, anything.

00:16:29.640 No, no research, no, no FEMA. Right. Like nothing, none of that. No, like weather service,

00:16:35.440 like no NASA gone. Boom. Boom. Right. We've, we would, we would still run a deficit in our budget.

00:16:43.880 Malcolm. It would be impossible to balance our budget under those conditions because we,

00:16:50.060 if we look at our like 2025 mandatory spending, 1.3 trillion social security, 400 billion veterans

00:16:56.980 benefits, 1.5 trillion to Medicare, 600 billion to Medicaid interest on debt is 952 billion. So the

00:17:04.980 total is 4.752 trillion dollars. Okay. That is how much on this super, like only keep people alive

00:17:12.420 budget. Okay. But our, our tax revenue is 4.4 trillion. So we need 4.75. We were getting 4.4.

00:17:22.100 So we would either need to increase our taxes or further reduce these sort of like essential

00:17:29.160 lifeline spending programs to even begin to pay down our debt.

00:17:34.440 It's eventually going to fall apart. Like we've said this before as well.

00:17:37.340 And obviously this is clear. I mean, like, I think this helps to illustrate too, like with

00:17:41.120 demographic collapse, just how hard this is going to hit and how unsustainable it is.

00:17:46.240 We call this a dependency ratio cascade. Right now for every 1.8 Americans paying into the tax

00:17:50.360 system, there's one person living off of it. You know, this, this cannot, like, if this gets

00:17:54.920 much worse, things are going to start breaking apart. This is what demographic collapse causes.

00:18:00.440 This is why Doge is so tied to demographic collapse because it has been giving us a wider timeline by

00:18:06.720 dealing with this, but you've got to keep in mind, you can just be like, as a businessman,

00:18:11.560 like this is not sustainable, which it's not. So like, I understand Elon's perspective,

00:18:15.940 but Trump isn't a businessman. And I think it took him a while to learn that in politics,

00:18:21.800 you're not a businessman. It's not about doing what's practical. It's about getting as much as

00:18:26.860 you can towards what's practical. And what happened after this, if you look at where this

00:18:33.720 went from, this is that really, the wheels really spiraled off after this point. Well,

00:18:38.380 yeah, Elon subsidies and contracts was the government, which is a huge source of money

00:18:45.640 for his companies. And he stated that he's surprised Biden didn't do it, seeing how big it was.

00:18:50.980 Oh, no. You know, this also reminds me of a portion you put in the Pragmentist Guide to

00:18:56.400 Governance about girls, like high school girls making a school lunch choice. And like, what happens

00:19:02.000 in any natural dominance hierarchy where like the alpha gets threatened publicly? The alpha has to,

00:19:09.060 they have to act because if Trump does not lash back out, he is now a weak, fetid, 0.99

00:19:16.760 not respect worthy person. He's Elon's B. Like that's what everyone would think. If Elon was 0.95

00:19:22.540 just able to trash him without him fighting back, it would look really bad. He has to fight back.

00:19:28.920 Like there's no choice here. And he tried not to at first. That's the thing that gets me about all of

00:19:34.320 this. He was being so, like he was being snide, but he was being gracious in the way that, you know,

00:19:41.120 he could. But when it became clear that this was like a thing, he then started to go all Trump. And

00:19:48.200 then so, so, you know, first he's, he threatens Elon's contracts, right? Like this is where Trump

00:19:53.780 actually is like, that's mean that, that, that to me was like, okay, you're, you're getting mean

00:19:59.520 here, like actively. Right. And then Elon, you know, snaps back with the Epstein file stuff and

00:20:06.580 saying that Trump is, is in the Epstein files and that the truth will come out. And he, he seems to

00:20:14.040 be implying that he may have information. People have speculated on, does Elon have information?

00:20:20.340 If Elon doesn't have information, this is going to look really bad for him.

00:20:24.720 Note that Elon has since deleted this tweet. The reason why I do not believe he has information,

00:20:29.920 and I'm going to tell the story as, as I remember it, but I will check this with Grog.

00:20:33.040 No, no, I, I, I'll, I'll tell it because I actually looked it up and this is really compelling.

00:20:37.340 Malcolm heard this discussed first on Leah Flitt's podcast, YouTube channel, whatever.

00:20:43.520 Of Lisa, a YouTuber, yeah. The other new right person, other tech right person, you know what I

00:20:47.820 mean? Yeah. But she, she pointed out that if Donald Trump knew that Donald Trump had, that

00:20:56.080 Jeffrey Epstein had dirt on him, there would probably not be past evidence of Donald Trump

00:21:01.520 slighting Jeffrey Epstein because you don't slight someone when they have really damaging stuff on

00:21:06.620 you. However, according to the Grifters Club, which is a book about Mar-a-Lago. Great. I mean,

00:21:13.640 it was flattering. Epstein's membership was terminated in October, 2007 after he hit on or harassed a

00:21:20.800 teenage daughter of another club member. The book cites club members and investigative reporting from the

00:21:26.180 Miami Herald stating that Trump kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member

00:21:32.620 and that this was seen as necessary to protect the club's reputation. CBS 12 news also reported

00:21:38.740 that Trump barred Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after allegedly sexually harassing a girl there.

00:21:44.160 So this, this implies, and I mean, I think it's really compelling.

00:21:47.280 Or any of this stuff was public, right? Trump banned Epstein for his properties for being any,

00:21:54.680 and he also joked about this on camera in a way that was like, you guys should probably,

00:21:58.960 there's this line of like Trump being like, he likes him young, like laughing uncomfortably.

00:22:04.100 It seems to be implying like, look, I don't have time to do anything about this, but if you want to,

00:22:08.400 like you should probably do something about this was, was very much the impression I've always,

00:22:13.180 in fact, I am not aware of a single other institution or individual other than Trump

00:22:20.640 calling out Epstein for being into underage kids before the big public reveal.

00:22:26.680 So I double checked this with AI and it appears accurate. Trump is literally the only human being

00:22:32.880 in the world who had his institutions ban Epstein for being a sex pest before he was publicly caught.

00:22:41.060 Yeah. And I mean, I can understand why there are conspiracy theories about Epstein and Trump,

00:22:47.960 because Trump had promised, I think, to release the-

00:22:53.380 Well, so not just that, he was really close with Epstein and Epstein like called him his best friend

00:22:56.980 at points and stuff like that. But I think Epstein was trying to get Trump and I think Trump wasn't

00:23:01.700 having it.

00:23:02.220 Hmm. And Trump hasn't released the full Epstein files, but my suspicion there is that there is dirt

00:23:10.920 on someone in there that Trump doesn't want to hurt.

00:23:16.380 Specifically, your guess was one of his kids, which I can totally see.

00:23:20.940 And one, Epstein would target one of Trump's kids, especially if Epstein was like trying to

00:23:25.560 chase after Trump.

00:23:26.980 Also, you've got to keep in mind, so we, you know, as people who know a lot of rich people,

00:23:32.720 we know people who have been targeted by Epstein. We know how the whole shtick works. You know,

00:23:37.780 like he'll send young girls to your room when you're like doing something with him. And the

00:23:42.940 problem is, is okay, so suppose you turn the girls away, right? Which is a person we know

00:23:47.660 immediately turning the girls away. What can you, what can you, what can you do at that point?

00:23:51.920 Right. Like he's still on record as having sent girls to you, right? Like he can still say,

00:23:56.960 oh, I sent them to you. So I can understand like if, if, if Epstein tried to send girls to like

00:24:03.260 Trump's room or something like that, and Trump sent the girls away, or he tried to send it to

00:24:07.360 one of Trump kids' room, like still, would you want that coming out? Right? Like.

00:24:12.160 Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, Donald Trump is fairly comfortable with people coming at him

00:24:16.840 with accusations and it's just happened so much at this point. Like who cares? I could see him having a

00:24:21.560 very different standard, even for baseless accusations when it comes to people that he

00:24:26.140 really cares about. And it doesn't have to necessarily be family. It could be anyone. So,

00:24:29.900 but I also understand how Elon Musk could, you know, scrolling Twitter, especially if we're really

00:24:36.480 tired, just be like, oh, you know, this is really, he's really angry. You know, again,

00:24:40.320 they have, and I think I also want to go into like how frustrating his position has been. I mean,

00:24:46.200 one, after he left Doge, like after he went from DC to do other really important work,

00:24:52.820 a lot of backstabbers and people who always hated the tech right faction and always hated him

00:24:58.100 personally, started getting in Trump's ear and started turning Trump away from tech right

00:25:04.800 appointments. For example, Jared Isaacman, who totally tech right figure was up to head of NASA.

00:25:12.620 Trump had appointed him and he was going through the process of confirmation. He was seen as like

00:25:20.200 clearly going to get through. Suddenly he was called and, you know, Trump, the president has

00:25:25.540 made a change, you know, strategic change, you know, thank you, but you're no longer the appointee.

00:25:30.820 Like, so people are getting kicked out. And I think that, that there are people who,

00:25:35.740 and obviously Steve Bannon is one of them, like just hates Elon Musk and are whispering in Trump's ear,

00:25:42.040 trying to undo really hard work. He's doing compounding. That is the fact that Elon Musk,

00:25:48.560 I think is very used to going really hard in on a project. Walter Isaacson described it as

00:25:55.520 demon mode. I think actually quoting Grimes, where he just like really zeros in on a project and like

00:26:03.940 loses everything else, but also like gets a ton done. And he also, and this shows up across both of

00:26:11.080 his biographies and any history of press coverage of him will pathologically over promise on a

00:26:17.600 project. And he'll eventually deliver. It's just going to be late, you know, and it takes a while

00:26:21.960 because he takes on the world's most challenging things. And before the, the 2024 election concluded,

00:26:29.980 Elon Musk was out there saying, I'm going to cut 2 trillion in government spending. You know,

00:26:34.700 this is going to be amazing with, you know, Doge. And then after the election and Trump had won,

00:26:39.920 he's like, Oh, I'm going to cut 1 trillion in spending. This is going to be great. And then early

00:26:45.100 2025, it's, it's 150 billion, you know, it's like going down and down because he is

00:26:52.100 like already, you know, having to contend with so many roadblocks just left and right.

00:27:02.740 It's like trying to run a company with your arms and legs tied up. Like, you know,

00:27:07.080 normally he's, he's running into his projects, basically wearing an Ironman suit. You know,

00:27:12.860 these are private companies and he runs hard and fast. Like he'll set up energy generation plants

00:27:18.540 without the proper approvals. Like, cause that's, that's move fast and break things. That's like

00:27:22.180 how a Silicon Valley mogul works. And that's how someone, you know, private individual,

00:27:26.800 a venture philanthropist will change the world. And it's great. But when you enter the government,

00:27:33.620 there are so many controls and there's so much red tape and so much bureaucracy that despite the

00:27:38.380 fact that you can go in with a flamethrower and try to take it out, it is so much more frustrating,

00:27:43.220 annoying. Yeah. It's, it's Ironman suit to having both your arms and legs tied behind your back.

00:27:47.480 So imagine how frustrating that would have been. Now in terms of estimates, it's still expected

00:27:52.220 that Doge is eventually going to save a trillion dollars, which is huge. And already are more,

00:27:59.100 maybe they, so far Doge has reported 160 to 180 billion, but this is, we're only a tiny bit in.

00:28:06.320 We're not even a year in. We've, we have time unless they sunset when they said they were going to

00:28:10.800 sunset. It's so incredible what they've been able to do. It's more than I ever thought I would ever see

00:28:16.040 from a government. I am so humbled by the accomplishments of Doge. I think it's one

00:28:20.200 of the biggest political projects we've seen of our lifetime. It is, you know, and the people

00:28:25.700 it brought in, like the best of the best. Like when I say my little brother, my little brother's

00:28:30.700 last job was running one of the largest chains of IVF clinics in the United States, which he grew

00:28:34.720 and sold. So he doesn't need to work at Doge. He's working at Doge because he's a genius and

00:28:40.160 everyone working at Doge is a genius.

00:28:41.660 And that's how this is with all these, all the people working at Doge, all these appointees,

00:28:45.680 all these people. I mean, like the, the, the guy who was supposed to run NASA, Jared Isaacman

00:28:51.800 is a billionaire. He's like, he's literally losing money by not spending his time on his

00:28:59.200 own projects. He lost six months of his life on this and didn't even get appointed. Very frustrating.

00:29:04.280 But anyway, I just want to point out how frustrating this must be for Elon Musk. And so I can understand

00:29:11.940 why he's driven.

00:29:12.680 $300 million spent on the campaign. He helped Trump on the campaign trail, but, but, and, and,

00:29:17.560 and look at where things are now. So now Elon has basically accused Trump of being a, a PDA file,

00:29:23.640 right? Which is not awesome from Trump's perspective. Like Trump has to clap back on that.

00:29:27.960 It's not like a small thing. Right. And then, and then Elon says that he, SpaceX is going to

00:29:35.080 decommission the dragon spacecraft due to contract cancellation threats. Like, Oh, we're going to do

00:29:39.820 this preemptively. Like one, that's really sad if he does. Right. And then, you know, Elon is

00:29:46.820 suggesting that JD Vance replaced Trump based on the tariffs, which he's, he's always been against.

00:29:51.940 And I can understand, you know, your, the, the, the, the, a lot of tech right people being against

00:29:56.980 the tariffs. Like they don't sit great with me either. The reason why we're okay with them and

00:30:02.500 we're okay with them is, is America has to prepare for deglobalization and that China, you know, we 0.96

00:30:08.280 need to cut China out of more of our supply chains. And so this is basically a hard economic pill to

00:30:13.120 swallow, to make that happen. And Trump needs to deliver on his promises to the every man worker,

00:30:18.180 which was a big part of the voter, you know, base for him. And this does actually help them,

00:30:23.180 right? Like we can pretend it does, but it does, right? Like the cheap goods that were produced in

00:30:27.800 China, you know, now we're rolling up operations. Like even Simone and I were recently looking at

00:30:32.660 developing like a band that can do simple AI, like text to speech. So you can just talk to it

00:30:38.100 whenever you want. And, and then we're going to like white label this through different startups.

00:30:42.060 We have so many weird projects that we're working on, but anyway, this, this, this product,

00:30:45.780 I historically would have gone straight to China to make this product right now. I'm looking at

00:30:50.140 places I can make it in the U S I would not be doing that if not for these tariffs.

00:30:54.160 Yeah. And we, we appreciate that we have been incentivized Leslie, because we think that's

00:30:58.420 important. We think every country should be anticipating as I mean, back to that whole spending

00:31:04.960 thing, right? Governments are about to collapse. Like they cannot afford to government anymore in like

00:31:10.980 10 years. So we need to anticipate this and every government needs to figure out at least how to

00:31:16.360 build food security and energy independence. And then, you know, to whatever extent independence

00:31:21.040 with other things too, there will still be some trade in the future, obviously, but like, we just

00:31:25.000 need to better safe than sorry. And obviously there, there are ways that the tariffs could have been

00:31:30.200 approached or can still be approached that make it easier for us to ignite the manufacturing industry

00:31:36.900 here in the United States, because right now it's like tariffs kind of almost, they're also making

00:31:43.160 it harder for us to just build that infrastructure, which is frustrating. But yeah, I, you know,

00:31:50.140 yeah, it, it, it, every, it's frustrating for everyone involved, but I think in the end.

00:31:54.640 It's frustrating because it completely aligns with both of their characters. Like,

00:31:58.780 like neither of them isn't being who they are.

00:32:01.460 The writing was on the wall for this one.

00:32:03.260 The writing was always on the wall. It was remarkable. It stayed together as long as it did.

00:32:07.740 It's, it's a situation where, you know, I'm not, I'm not coming out of this being like,

00:32:12.460 like this situation happened, fortunately, you know, after Elon had left, the bigger problem

00:32:17.660 with this situation is that it, it allows the, you know, deep state government slime type old,

00:32:24.540 old GOP ink people.

00:32:25.580 Anti-type right slime.

00:32:27.580 To, yeah, on the right, the right has its own deep state. The right has its own, you know,

00:32:32.600 longstanding bureaucratic class that hated the tech rights. I hated them coming in. Oh,

00:32:38.460 what have you done? You haven't worked in government for 20 years. You only built a

00:32:41.500 billion dollar company.

00:32:42.140 They're not even that. They just don't like, they don't like our

00:32:44.840 politics as well. Yeah.

00:32:47.200 Politics of tech acceleration, pro AI, all this stuff. They're very.

00:32:51.600 And so then they, they go and they snipe, you know, these guys projects and they use

00:32:56.120 the fact that there was a feud between Trump and AI to try to make the entire tech right

00:33:00.820 faction look mercurial and our loyalty, which is not the fact like it, you know, we have been

00:33:09.580 completely steadfast in support of the administration from the very beginning. And so has pretty much

00:33:16.500 every other major player I know, except for a few who spun out, which are pretty interesting

00:33:21.500 to talk about. Like we had Richard Hanania, who would have been like adjacent to the tech

00:33:24.820 right on the show in the early days of the show. And he spun out in an article. We also had Alex

00:33:29.680 Kishuda on the show. Do we have Alex Kishuda? I think so. I think we did. Yeah.

00:33:33.540 We may not have aired the episode. I may have forgotten to air it. Anyway,

00:33:35.600 I sometimes forget to air interviews, but you can't air it now because now she has a completely

00:33:39.660 different political position. Both of them turned against Trump, you know,

00:33:44.600 and the New York Times. Well, they're free to do so. And heterodox doesn't mean choosing a side.

00:33:48.700 No, no, no. But the New York Times did a piece on it and everything. And a lot of our audience

00:33:52.780 warned us about these individuals. Like when we had, you know, not about Alex Kishuda. Alex Kishuda,

00:33:58.000 she's not even American, whatever. Like I can understand why a non-American would be upset 1.00

00:34:01.580 about America's tariffs. But in regard to Richard Hanania, you know, when he first came on our show,

00:34:07.380 like our discord was all, oh, you can't trust that guy. You know, what a slime ball, 0.89

00:34:10.640 everything like that. No, this is. No, I went to Simone. Simone remembers. I was like,

00:34:16.220 man, like, I don't know what he did to like piss them off. Like, I'm afraid that I could piss off

00:34:21.780 like our audience. I don't want to get like a reputation of being like a grifter who's just

00:34:26.500 going with the wind wherever he thinks he can make more money. I don't want to be known as somebody

00:34:31.240 who, you know, people can't trust to have sort of a, like, I will change my political opinion over

00:34:37.300 time. But I try to always explain in detail in a way that is consistent with my character,

00:34:42.200 why my political opinion updated, like not in a way that feels grifter-y. And I was like,

00:34:48.380 maybe it's just capriciousness or maybe it's just that he's been known longer than I am,

00:34:52.340 that he's developed this reputation. And then I was like, I don't know, like, are we going to step

00:34:56.640 on the rake one day? And then he turns on MAGA, he turns on Trump all of a sudden. I was like,

00:35:01.280 oh, that's why they were doing that. They had a better read of him than I did.

00:35:06.640 And I mean, I don't, I don't see someone turning on Trump and MAGA. I mean, like,

00:35:12.880 I mean, it's, it's frustrating insofar as like, okay, well, what do you practically want to do

00:35:17.540 then? Because we have to move forward. And I'd rather move forward in a less wrong way than a,

00:35:22.360 an extremely wrong way. And I thought that voting Democrat or, I mean, voting independent is

00:35:27.680 throwing away your vote in the United States. Voting Democrat is, I would, I thought would be

00:35:33.180 much more damaging. So I, I, I get it from that perspective, but I'm also like, you know, do we,

00:35:38.020 I don't want to be that kind of person who defenestrates someone just because they choose

00:35:42.220 to not support a political candidate or criticize a political candidate.

00:35:45.900 I just agree with you to an extent. I think, you know, if you're on a team,

00:35:49.660 you need to have faith that the other people on that team will not, like,

00:35:54.940 we make different opinions. You and I make opinions. The Trump administration is, is,

00:36:00.960 is navigating a political tightrope and everything like that. You can't, because it's a political

00:36:06.060 tightrope that has multiple factions that have divergent needs within them. We have to be really

00:36:12.860 careful, like in, in writing the, the pronatalist book that I'm writing right now. One of the things

00:36:17.260 that I point out is, you know, Catholics and us have a completely different understanding of when,

00:36:23.060 for example, like life begins, right? Like we think they're killing kids because they're preventing

00:36:26.580 IVF. And I'm like, well, you know, if you prevent IVF, that's a human who would have been alive. Like

00:36:31.620 you are responsible for all of the decisions in the timeline that you choose, even the ones that

00:36:37.300 affect people who aren't born yet. Like just because the person isn't born doesn't mean that

00:36:42.080 you haven't harmed them. Like if I go back in time and I sterilize my wife, I have prevented my kids

00:36:47.400 from existing. I'm responsible for that. And then they think that we are because of like the IVF stuff.

00:36:50.920 So like, how do you get over this? Right. And it's like, well, you've got to say, okay, cultural

00:36:55.080 sovereignty, because at the end of the day, both they, and we, in terms of the laws, we could actually

00:37:00.820 get past, have a huge amount of overlap. They're not going to be able to ban abortion entirely.

00:37:05.340 We're not going to be able to create a super soldier program in the United States. Those positions

00:37:09.140 are not going to win. So, but we can both restrict abortion more. We can both, you know,

00:37:15.180 remove the gender ideology stuff in schools. That's something we both want. We can both,

00:37:19.100 you know, but the problem is, is if you can't trust these people in this alliance to not attempt

00:37:27.000 to jump for the things that are going to lose the entire alliance, like, like votes, just so their

00:37:33.940 faction can get little wins. How can we trust it? How can we trust them to not ban IVF? If we're

00:37:39.840 going to push for something like, you know, pushing for entitlement cuts, if we push for entitlement cuts,

00:37:44.740 which we already are cutting drastically, but I mean, even more drastic entitlement cuts,

00:37:49.400 we're, we could lose future elections. And that's something that, yes, we, the tech right,

00:37:53.920 really care about, but we've got to have compromises. And if they can't trust that we're not going to

00:37:58.940 turn on them as they try to compromise to, to, to work with the various factions here, it's very hard to

00:38:05.640 navigate in a fight that I see as like existential. It's a fight for human civilization.

00:38:10.680 It's a fight for, against a, a faction in, within the United States who divides humans based on their

00:38:17.580 ethnicity and gender, that divides humans based on their, you know, sexual preferences, that, that, that

00:38:24.140 has all of these horrifying beliefs that, you know, distributing COVID vaccines based on ethnicity and

00:38:31.420 not based on risk, right? Like that is, this is, this is wild to me. And, and out of all of these things

00:38:38.260 that places Jews at the bottom again, you know, we've seen this before, like the people that we're

00:38:43.280 fighting against, we may have differing ideology, but like we have these differing ideologies,

00:38:49.280 you know, Elon's worry about government spending, I think is completely accurate, right? Like this is

00:38:56.400 something we need to be worried about the, the other factions worried about, you know, entitlements

00:39:02.080 and us being able to win elections. If we, if we cut like Medicaid or, or, or social security or

00:39:07.100 something like that, that's, that's a completely honest. And to me, when I look at this bill,

00:39:14.020 it looks like a compromise. And this is why I got really mad. It was like the heritage foundation

00:39:17.940 thing. Like, not, not mad, but I was disappointed in them, to be honest. I wasn't mad at them. I was

00:39:21.560 just like, come on guys. Because like their pro natalist person did some piece on how you're like,

00:39:26.440 you're not a real pro natalist if you're doing like IVF. And, and if you want humans to improve

00:39:31.160 over generations. And if you, you know, want like genetic technology and I'm like, come on,

00:39:35.880 this has been core to Americana and Americanism from our inception. This is, even when you look

00:39:42.600 at our anti-Nazi stuff, who was the anti-Nazi, but Captain America, a human who was genetically

00:39:48.800 augmented by scientists to improve what humanity is and what an American can be. And the, you don't

00:39:56.340 want to engage with this stuff is totally fine for me. Right. Like we can work together

00:40:01.720 because then the stuff we can actually get past, we have the same goals, but it's, it's,

00:40:07.840 it's, it's disappointing to see this play out, but especially like to them, the leftist media's

00:40:16.340 glee or even mainstream media's glee, like literally, cause I can't turn it off. Cause I have a Mac.

00:40:21.940 Apple news keeps showing me headlines and recent economist headlines was the sort of gleeful.

00:40:29.300 Trump has many ways to hurt Elon Musk. If he wants to like, here's a way in case you're getting mad.

00:40:37.200 Just, just look at this list. It's just so annoying. Like everyone's just jumping on this. Like, yes,

00:40:43.920 finally, they have no more power. And I know like Doge is still here. Doge is still happening.

00:40:52.000 The first of them that backs down from all of this is going to look like the bigger man in a big way.

00:40:58.700 That's what I will say. The first of them that is just like, you know what?

00:41:03.360 Whatever. I know you can't say I was wrong. I know neither of you can say that.

00:41:07.760 I would note here that both parties significantly deescalated over the weekend with Elon deleting

00:41:12.860 tweets, Elon wishing Trump well on X, Trump in turn saying that he was not preoccupied with the

00:41:19.980 feud, but just, just replying with great. This is no longer a fight for dominance. This is a fight

00:41:28.240 that makes our entire faction look bad. And again, it's not a fight that anyone didn't expect. I was

00:41:35.280 shocked when Doge was actually set up. I was shocked every week it continued to operate with

00:41:41.100 the progressive media trying to drive. Oh yeah. I was so sure it wasn't actually

00:41:43.700 going to happen. Like it sounded so cool. I was so sure it wasn't going to happen.

00:41:46.320 Like wouldn't it be crazy if that actually happened?

00:41:48.360 Yeah, no, that was one of my, like, what? Come on. They'd never actually make that happen,

00:41:52.780 right? Obviously I want American Academy more than Doge. And I want the, the, the other

00:41:58.440 unpromised voter promise that I'm really upset hasn't been done yet is the one that makes it

00:42:02.900 illegal for tech companies to censor except based on CP and terrorism. And you have to tell people

00:42:08.320 when they're censoring stuff, that was a campaign promise that was really important to me that I

00:42:11.740 haven't seen action taken on yet. But other than those two, Doge was like my top thing. And I thought

00:42:16.520 it was like a fantasy thing, right? Like, and, and we got it. It's alive and well, guys.

00:42:22.160 The time and money that Elon sacrificed to make Doge happen, I think was civilizationally

00:42:27.980 saving potentially, but you know, I've just, was, was this particular battle? I've got to call it.

00:42:33.620 Like I see it. Right. You know? And I, I think reaffirm where we stand, which is, you know,

00:42:42.580 with JD, right? Like if, if JD turns on Trump, that's when, when you can be like, okay,

00:42:49.800 our loyalty becomes bad now it's gone bad. Yeah. I'd be like, JD knows a lot of what's going on.

00:42:56.720 He's very cunning. I really trust his judgment. If he is turning on Trump, I would say,

00:43:02.560 especially I'd say that like, okay, I actually need to think about this now, right? Like does

00:43:07.140 this alliance continue to make sense? And, and which team am I on? But the Trump and Elon falling

00:43:14.600 out, everyone knew that would happen. And you were an idiot if you didn't think this was going to 1.00

00:43:17.460 happen eventually. We've always been like, I can't believe that the two like most powerful people 1.00

00:43:22.180 in the world are somehow able to work together. That, that seems, especially two people with

00:43:27.840 such fiery personas. Now you said one of the things when we were talking about this is you're

00:43:35.580 like, yeah, well, all of these old bureaucrats from the old right needs to learn. The new right

00:43:39.940 is eventually going to replace them. What are your thoughts on that?

00:43:43.020 Well, yeah, the, the, the new, the new right represents any, basically a, a high fertility

00:43:52.860 technophilic culture.

00:43:55.100 What's the high fertility technophilic culture that is incredibly focused on cultural sovereignty.

00:44:00.400 That is the core value system of the new right.

00:44:03.260 Yes. 0.98

00:44:03.740 Who fucks us or our kids. Okay. 0.99

00:44:05.320 Yes. And that those are the only cultures in our view that are going to have power in

00:44:12.300 the future, because what else do you have? Okay. So what, what we have is low fertility 0.92

00:44:16.140 technophilic cultures, which is basically the urban monoculture. That's not going to

00:44:20.900 inherit the future and in any meaningful way. And then you have high fertility technophobic

00:44:25.680 cultures, which while maybe very large in number are not going to get to call the shots because

00:44:31.780 in the end, the drone swarm is going to, the guy with the drone swarm is going to call

00:44:36.160 the shots. The, the, the, the families who have genetically engineered kids who don't get

00:44:42.940 diseases and are more impervious to germ warfare and who are incredibly, you know, smart and

00:44:49.080 athletic and pro social and everyone loves them are going to win and dominate social media

00:44:54.180 and all these other things and sell the products that everyone else buys.

00:44:58.100 Yeah. So it's really important that the old guard of the right, that in, in some cases

00:45:05.480 here, we are seeing trying to poison the tech right in president Trump's ear, get with the

00:45:12.200 fact, the reality that if we're looking at the long game, they really want to be friends

00:45:18.380 with these guys. And I think the reason why there's this remaining active animosity is the

00:45:24.100 particular people who are very anti tech, right? Are only thinking for themselves and this current

00:45:32.120 generation in this current time and their power and influence today.

00:45:36.020 Yeah. For them, this is, it's like it is for the Democrats. It's a complete power game. It's a

00:45:40.960 complete like, Oh, let's get with the King. Let's give it there. They're not thinking about the long

00:45:45.240 term of the empire. And, and the, the tech right is always thinking about the longterm. That's the

00:45:50.060 thing that really differentiates the two. One of the things that differentiates the two factions

00:45:54.160 and, and particularly the loudest voices here, I see is entirely self-interested, which is really,

00:46:01.900 really sad to see that they've been able to gain as much power as they have to be able to cause

00:46:07.760 these sorts of divisions that do nothing but hurt the Republican party's electability.

00:46:12.360 Yeah. It's depressing, but yeah, we'll see how this plays out. I mean, everyone loves a little

00:46:20.340 drama, so. Well, if Elon does start a new party, are you going to, are you going to, what would you,

00:46:25.620 what would you do in regards to that? I mean, with all his money and influence behind it.

00:46:30.200 Oh, if there's like a new party, kind of like Elon Musk was suggesting that we need a new party.

00:46:35.880 Well, yeah. I mean, he does have one of the largest social media platforms, a lot of money.

00:46:40.220 Listen, we've had a lot of people talk about new parties.

00:46:45.700 It doesn't work. It would just divide the right. Like the right. 0.60

00:46:49.540 It just doesn't work every time. Like I'm sure academics and economists and political scientists

00:46:57.120 have detailed models. I'm pretty sure I've listened to at least like five NPR segments on why it is

00:47:04.340 literally technically impossible to create a viable third party per the United States current political

00:47:11.380 system. So it's just not a conversation we're having around a new party. Like what did he and

00:47:17.140 Trump blow up over? It was like entitlement in you. Yes. Every reasonable person in America knows that

00:47:24.920 we can't keep working with the existing entitlement system, but every reasonable person also knows no

00:47:30.460 one can win a majority of votes fighting the existing entitlement system. So we're agreeing

00:47:36.260 to pay more in taxes. Yeah. Like while asking people to pay more in taxes, you're going to pay

00:47:41.360 more and get less like, okay, you can, you can show them on a sheet. Like this is the only thing that

00:47:46.720 works, but you're not gonna, you're not going to win an election. Yeah. I mean, I think if you sat

00:47:52.360 someone down and had the reasonable conversation and you told them like, well, basically the U S

00:47:57.560 government is going to start just printing money like crazy to keep being able to pay for these

00:48:03.860 programs, meaning that money is going to lose a lot of its value and we'll see hyperinflation and

00:48:09.080 everyone's going to have to adjust to live a very compared to our terms now austere lifestyle. You could

00:48:15.200 also tighten your belt right now and live a halfway there austere lifestyle so that your kids maybe have a

00:48:21.980 a little bit easier. And I think most people are going to be like, you know what, I think I'm going

00:48:25.180 to take my chances with the whole printing money, hyperinflation thing. That, that is literally what

00:48:31.700 a lot of people are going to do. And, and, and, and the thing is, is people just don't think about

00:48:36.600 tomorrow, you know? And, and what we need to do on the tech, right. Is figure out how to utilize

00:48:44.680 the mindless drone vote to make marginal improvements before the system collapses.

00:48:52.660 We can't do what logical and rational because we're not dealing with a logical and rational

00:48:58.920 voter base. Our founders tried to prevent this situation. They tried to create a system where we

00:49:04.680 elected electorates who were smart and rational and who could think through everything and who would

00:49:10.000 vote on our behalf. Decidedly. And this was something, this is one reason why I have loved

00:49:17.240 the tech rights sabbaticals essentially that have been taking place in government where these

00:49:22.860 incredible investors, entrepreneurs, you know, billionaires in some cases, you know, people who

00:49:28.720 are very, very successful from the business world are taking stints to do service in the U S government.

00:49:34.100 Is it that really to me reflects what the founding fathers wanted? You know, these are people who had

00:49:40.860 their own lives, their own careers, their own families who did not become an, or want to be

00:49:46.240 career politicians who stepped up to serve in the U S government and then stepped back down. And that's

00:49:52.100 George Washington was really trying to set that tone. He was like, I'm not going to be your King.

00:49:56.620 I'm going to go off and live in Mount Vernon with my fricking Christmas camel and my farm.

00:50:03.180 And it's going to be great. And that is what I just loved seeing that in this administration of

00:50:10.120 like, maybe we can come back to the system of governance where we have this rotation of brilliant

00:50:15.760 people voluntarily serving in the U S government because a place has been made for them and making

00:50:21.840 it better. But that's going to keep happening now, especially since I, you know, I think the great

00:50:29.200 thing about the people who are right now trying to poison the tech, right. And president Trump's

00:50:33.480 a year is that they're so venomous as people in general, that they're, they're not going to last

00:50:38.320 very long politically. They're, they're, they're, they're vile venomous snake, deep state slime who 0.96

00:50:44.220 will bite you the moment you turn your back. And I, and I think Trump relying on them in his first, 0.94

00:50:49.020 you know, period in office is why almost nothing got done. And I think the people who show this

00:50:54.640 tendency to betray people who are trying to work alongside them to achieve great ends, we, as,

00:51:01.260 as sort of like a wider faction, we need to have a forgiveness rule, but if it's a repeated pattern,

00:51:06.720 you know, we need to be like, this is not somebody we can trust anymore. I don't care, you know,

00:51:11.480 how many years you've been working in government. If you turned around and betrayed the collective

00:51:16.820 movement for your individual aims and your factions, individual goals in a way that doesn't help

00:51:24.040 win votes or isn't was in the ideological overlap, you're not, you're out period. And I think

00:51:31.760 what people aren't seeing yet is JD Vance hasn't been making calls yet. Cause he's not running the

00:51:38.240 party yet, but he will be eventually. And I think he is significantly more shrewd on that front and

00:51:47.660 will be more aggressive on that front than Trump has been. And a lot of these people don't understand

00:51:52.420 that they're playing this system with, you know, Trump's like really sharp for, for what he is.

00:51:59.640 Right. But also he's like what? 78 years old, 78 years old, you know, and he's, he's got multiple

00:52:07.380 factions whispering in his ear that are new to him. He didn't grow up with, he doesn't exactly know,

00:52:13.640 you know, he's new to the Republican party at all. Right. Like this guy is a New York Democrat,

00:52:17.980 you know, coming into this and, and JD Vance is seeing every venomous self-dealing snake try to

00:52:27.020 manipulate this 80 year old man. And while he may not be making moves now, I expect him to be making

00:52:33.620 moves eventually. And I don't think the Democrats have anyone in the lineup who can compete with

00:52:39.820 somebody like JD. Anyway, I love you to death, Simone. Are we going to try sushi tonight?

00:52:49.860 No, because we have to thaw out the meat ingredients.

00:52:52.860 Oh, I want you to take to thaw the tuna.

00:52:54.660 If I take it out now, maybe by Sunday, we can try it.

00:53:01.560 Would you be okay with trying California rolls tonight? We have all the ingredients for that.

00:53:05.220 Oh, we'd need to get more of the basic ingredients. What's in a California roll?

00:53:11.340 A California roll is a cucumber, an avocado and imitation crab.

00:53:15.580 The imitation crab is also frozen.

00:53:18.100 Oh.

00:53:19.080 So why don't we, why don't we do Sunday? And today, would you prefer to have...

00:53:28.580 Let's do penang.

00:53:29.840 Okay, perfect. I think that's a good choice.

00:53:31.840 Whatever the other batch you're drawing from, it sometimes has, like, weirdly cooked hard

00:53:35.320 chicken in it.

00:53:36.160 I'm sorry. I don't know what caused it.

00:53:39.340 Maybe just we didn't get great chicken.

00:53:41.980 Try to cut out all the bits I think aren't going to be perfect.

00:53:46.880 Because chicken is still meat.

00:53:49.820 Well, we're going to move to more tofu to see if I can get more consistently.

00:53:52.860 Because I don't hate tofu.

00:53:54.540 Oh, yeah. Don't say that, though. You'll freak out your audience.

00:53:57.520 Oh, no.

00:53:58.600 Soy boy?

00:53:59.240 Soy boy? Malcolm's trying more tofu to get the inconsistent texture.

00:54:05.380 No, sorry. Malcolm is going to be butchering calves on our property going forward.

00:54:10.800 So that's the plan.

00:54:12.920 No, no. Not calves. The poor.

00:54:16.460 I'm going to be butchering the poor. 0.93

00:54:18.440 I would not eat the poor. 0.98

00:54:20.620 Do you know what...

00:54:21.240 What are they eating, Malcolm?

00:54:24.620 I only fuel my car with biodiesel made out of elderly people. 1.00

00:54:30.320 That is my fuel source.

00:54:31.720 And what are they...

00:54:32.440 I mean, like, I think there's something very appealing about a cow that has been

00:54:36.460 munching on this verdant grass under a field, you know?

00:54:42.000 And I just...

00:54:43.420 When I picture what most people are eating...

00:54:46.680 Oh, you don't trust the health.

00:54:48.560 That's what I'm saying.

00:54:50.140 Me eating the poor because you're like...

00:54:53.200 They're just full of red dye number 40 and soda.

00:54:57.620 The funny thing is you're probably correct.

00:55:00.180 I don't imagine it would be very healthy to eat a homeless person.

00:55:03.000 I...

00:55:04.700 Absolutely, I wouldn't.

00:55:06.280 No.

00:55:06.880 You wouldn't...

00:55:09.280 I mean, like, for the same reason...

00:55:11.400 This is really bad.

00:55:13.520 You wouldn't eat roadkill?

00:55:15.100 That was what I was going to say.

00:55:16.900 And I don't know why you knew that.

00:55:19.740 No, I thought about it when I drive by.

00:55:22.040 I'm like, that looks like a fresh kill.

00:55:23.520 But then I'm like, oh, but it's a local deer.

00:55:25.400 And, you know, they've got all sorts of diseases.

00:55:28.180 Yeah, like, if it was running into the road, like, I don't know.

00:55:32.580 And, like, I don't know what it's been going through recently.

00:55:36.200 Like, did it die because it's sick?

00:55:38.900 No, but here's the thing.

00:55:40.440 This is how you know you're from...

00:55:42.200 We talk about being from, like, the greater Appalachian subgroup

00:55:44.880 and having very different impulses than I think your average American.

00:55:49.140 And that our impulse, despite the fact that neither of us have ever

00:55:53.400 brought roadkill back and eaten it,

00:55:56.400 is when we see roadkill, we're like, huh, I wonder if it's fresh enough.

00:56:00.400 That is literally just, like...

00:56:03.360 I mean, in our defense, as long as it doesn't look mangled.

00:56:05.840 I mean, obviously, like, if the meat's all smushed and there's, like, glass in it.

00:56:10.760 No, but it is, it is...

00:56:12.020 Simone, I don't know if our audience...

00:56:13.760 Our audience can be like, no, all humans have this impulse. 0.99

00:56:16.540 Or no, this is you crazy, savage, backwoods people. 0.98

00:56:20.140 You are the only ones who, when you see roadkill, 0.99

00:56:23.040 are evaluating it as a source of meat.

00:56:24.720 Well, people think really carefully about, like, is this a grass-fed cow or not?

00:56:30.340 You know, is this a free-range chicken or not?

00:56:32.980 Like, I think really carefully, even just, like, eating their eggs.

00:56:37.000 Like, what am I feeding our chickens?

00:56:39.040 What do they eat?

00:56:40.520 This reminds me of the RFK story that made me like him so much about the bear.

00:56:45.500 The bear had accidentally been hit and killed on the road.

00:56:47.860 And so he put it in his trunk, took it to Central Park and put it in the bike lanes

00:56:53.460 that had just been laid down.

00:56:55.760 And everybody...

00:56:56.440 This was only because he realized that he couldn't get it in home in time

00:57:00.260 to freeze it and eat its meat before he had to fly somewhere.

00:57:04.020 But he was planning to freeze it and eat his meat, for example. 0.86

00:57:06.540 Yeah, and then he was like, well, crap, now I have a bear and I have to dump it.

00:57:10.040 And there had been a lot of bike accidents in Central Park recently.

00:57:12.920 So he's like, you know what?

00:57:14.160 I'm just going to find a bike and make it look like this is some kind of accident.

00:57:16.880 It'll be really funny.

00:57:18.820 It didn't come out until, what, like 30 years later?

00:57:21.560 So it kind of worked.

00:57:23.300 A leading politician had staged the bear being hit by a bike.

00:57:29.360 Yeah, I guess that's...

00:57:30.000 I mean, that's the only place where I guess it kind of goes wrong.

00:57:32.620 Because, you know, he's making bicyclists look bad

00:57:35.660 and also dumping a dead body of a bear.

00:57:39.960 But...

00:57:40.500 I have literally no problem with making bicyclists look bad.

00:57:43.740 I have respect for, you know, seeing a sad...

00:57:47.560 It's really sad that a baby bear got hit by a car.

00:57:49.960 Yeah.

00:57:50.200 But, like, trying to make the most of it, you know, like, bear meat is interesting.

00:57:57.180 I know a lot of people go through a lot of work to get bear meat.

00:58:02.240 I used to get detained all the time at airports because I was flagged as, like, a bad person, I guess, when I was a teen.

00:58:12.360 And so I was always detained in, like, those waiting rooms where they search absolutely everything in your bag.

00:58:17.320 Why were you flagged as a bad person?

00:58:19.120 What'd you do?

00:58:19.600 I...

00:58:20.400 They have these, like, anime-themed lighters when I was in Tokyo on one trip with my dad.

00:58:27.240 And I've just bought a ton of them and just taped them all together in my suitcase, which was probably not a good idea.

00:58:36.340 So after that, I was always detained.

00:58:38.820 And this one time I was detained for, like, two hours next to these bear hunters with, like, just a ton of guns and this giant freezer bag.

00:58:48.440 And I'm, like, that is dedication, you know, like, to go through detention on...

00:58:56.580 I think they were flying to either Alaska or Canada and, like, wait that long and carry all of that gear.

00:59:04.840 It just looked like such a hassle.

00:59:07.360 I gained a lot of respect for people who want to kill and eat bears in that one day.

00:59:12.560 Because I did penance for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

00:59:17.140 Anime lighters are not a crime.

00:59:19.780 But there you go.

00:59:21.120 All right.

00:59:21.620 Well, I love you to death, Simone.

00:59:22.900 Did you grow up hearing about people eating roadkill?

00:59:25.340 Or is this just a me thing?

00:59:28.800 I don't think any of my family friends ate roadkill.

00:59:34.880 And we lived in a very, like, dense suburban area.

00:59:40.900 So there wasn't that much roadkill.

00:59:43.240 Like, any roadkill was someone's pet.

00:59:45.380 So you wouldn't really think about eating it.

00:59:47.400 You'd feel really bad.

00:59:48.800 Anyway, love you to death, Simone.

00:59:50.720 I love you, too.

00:59:55.440 Oh, God.

00:59:58.900 Good job.

01:00:00.800 So you liked that last episode we just did?

01:00:02.680 Like is not the word.

01:00:06.820 Learned from.

01:00:07.980 Yes.

01:00:08.740 We just did the episode on Joe Money.

01:00:11.520 Google that one if you guys want to be scarred for a day.

01:00:14.760 I am very scarred.

01:00:16.080 This one's going to come out before the other one because we're going to rush to get this one out.

01:00:19.340 So you guys can look forward to how a complete monster started the concept of gender ideology and sexual orientation.

01:00:28.860 And I'm not, like, nobody would disagree that this person was a complete monster, right?

01:00:32.600 So on after doing that episode.

01:00:34.120 Yeah.

01:00:34.640 When you first said complete monster, I'm like, ah, exaggeration, I'm sure.

01:00:38.700 No.

01:00:40.120 Monster doesn't do justice to the term.

01:00:43.140 Super not okay.

01:00:44.280 All levels have ruffled.

01:00:47.300 But we'll just move on to this.

01:00:49.500 There are other people.

01:00:50.440 It's an equally bummy topic.

01:00:53.260 It's a video we have to do, you know, so.

01:00:55.840 I should have scarred my life sooner.

01:00:57.820 It's okay.

01:00:58.420 Next one, maybe.

01:01:00.540 I'll get it.

01:01:02.180 I'll get it, okay?

01:01:04.060 I'll get it and then I'll pull it.

01:01:05.820 All right.

01:01:08.380 The bugs are still in there, right?

01:01:14.280 Pretty sure.

01:01:15.620 Yeah, the bugs live on the leaves.

01:01:17.120 What do you think, Torsten?

01:01:23.320 Did you see birds back there?

01:01:24.800 They've got some interesting.

01:01:26.020 It's so dark.

01:01:26.200 Good.

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Based Camp - June 09, 2025

Elon vs. Trump： Is This the End of the New Right？

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