Based Camp - Everest： The Longest Line of Selfish Egotists on Earth

00:00:00.000 right after the break we're going to interview eric wyhenmayer who climbed the highest mountain

00:00:05.260 in the world mount everest but he's gay i mean he's gay excuse me he's blind so we'll hear about

00:00:11.800 that coming okay as we head to the break a look at the six o'clock uh the best the best piece of

00:00:19.760 news reporting ever done in my opinion but on the topic of you have to be a complete garbage

00:00:29.140 dookie soul of a human being to do this you're an emotional fucking cripple your soul is dog shit

00:00:35.040 every single fucking thing about you is ugly and in this episode we are going to be laying this out

00:00:41.080 uh only garbage human beings climb everest and you could be like oh no this is the direct attack and

00:00:47.940 yeah it is a direct attack if you did this you're a shitty human being and but not for the typical

00:00:53.560 reasons and here i will post a guy who makes one of the typical arguments against claiming everest

00:01:00.360 oh yeah which is just sherpas die and are forced to do this and that is bad and then at the end of

00:01:10.220 the video i will explain why that is a terrible argument that claiming everest is immoral real

00:01:15.560 issue behind climbing everest these days which is the fact that if you climbed everest in 2023

00:01:20.960 you essentially sacrificed the lives of six local people in order to do so the season began with

00:01:28.880 three deaths of sherpas who were carrying ropes and gear through the kumbu ice ball fixing lines

00:01:33.820 and ladders through the glacier that is a task that has to be completed each year if anyone is going to

00:01:39.860 climb the mountain on the regular route the deceased local workers can expect to receive only about ten

00:01:44.820 thousand dollars as a payout from life insurance ridiculous to put that into perspective ten thousand us

00:01:50.240 dollars is barely enough to cover the rising costs of living for a small family in nepal one estimate

00:01:55.920 i read was that 10k is enough to only keep the family afloat for about two years now there were

00:02:03.940 seven nepali deaths on the mountain this year six of them were working all of them sherpas because it's

00:02:10.220 not a very good argument when you actually look at the statistics they have some credence to it but

00:02:14.560 pretty pretty pretty low for me the core reason why climbing everest is so selfish was elucidated

00:02:24.700 very loudly when i was talking to my dad we're talking i think about inherent values or something

00:02:29.520 like that yeah i was talking about like what do you live for like like what's a good life to you

00:02:33.840 etc yeah i was arguing that he focuses a lot on trying to maximize the aesthetics of being an area

00:02:43.500 type person or some sort of aesthetic version of who he is and when he's making decisions he is making

00:02:50.680 them based on how they change his internal perspective on himself instead of how they impact the world around

00:02:59.200 him and i view this as a very very selfish way to live you were like and i'm doing this research for

00:03:04.560 an episode on how terrible it is to climb mount everest and i'm like well at least mount everest is

00:03:09.120 the highest mountain this is not like kilimanjaro that's just like complete trash like the view is

00:03:13.860 nothing for just walking up a dirty mountain like across like gross you know you need like separate

00:03:20.140 shoes just for like the bathrooms because there's poop smeared everywhere just a disgusting experience

00:03:25.420 and you're just shuffling your way up because the the guides don't let you walk quickly or anything

00:03:30.480 so it's incredibly boring and he's like oh no i've i've summoned mount uh kilimanjaro like and i was

00:03:37.420 like oh no i mean then it was like you know this time i i told him i was like but dad like why would

00:03:44.620 you do that like what good does this bring to the world this seems to be entirely based on masturbating

00:03:50.660 sort of a self-image of yourself so he immediately goes no i didn't do it for that reason he couldn't

00:03:55.880 come up with another reason he had done it no he said i didn't do it for that reason he said well

00:03:59.940 the one other reason he came up with was you do it to experience hardship and i was like bitch you're

00:04:05.080 the one who just spent all day complaining about our house being too cold that is an area where we

00:04:10.380 are creating hardship for ourselves but saving money which can go to making the world a better place

00:04:16.720 whereas you can't endure the minor hardships of daily life which make the world a better place

00:04:21.160 but are able to undergo big performative hardships that end up costing a lot of money and time that

00:04:26.180 you could spend on improving the world but then he goes talking about his wife they were in aspen and

00:04:31.840 she bragged to him about going for quite a few kilometers at a high altitude and he's like well

00:04:37.700 but have you gone 100 kilometers at this higher altitude and she's like i don't even know where

00:04:44.020 you would do that and and then he's like well now kilimanjaro which i played three times and i was

00:04:49.260 like dad you just argued to me that you didn't do this just for signaling purposes and literally in

00:04:54.020 the next sentence you go off on a tangent about how you don't don't somebody in a signaling manner

00:05:02.440 for climbing the mouth it is very clear you only did this to signal to yourself to one type of person

00:05:08.540 you are yeah and that's you one's own wife which is not even like who are you like you don't need to

00:05:13.140 like what do you married you it's for right one yeah and so before we get further in this this is

00:05:17.840 my core complaint about this is that it has such high costs it will go over all of the high costs

00:05:25.200 whether they are to yourself or to the environment or to uh money that you are not spending on making

00:05:31.980 the world a better place for such trivial differential benefits and by here a differential

00:05:40.240 benefit is that somebody goes well what about the hardship of climbing mount everest and i'm like

00:05:44.240 there are hardships that you can endure equivalent to climbing mount everest that don't put random

00:05:49.980 people's lives at risk don't waste tons of money that don't waste years of your life that simply make

00:05:56.620 the world a better place you you so why did you choose this hardship over those hardships because

00:06:03.280 of the signaling ability it gave you or they'll say well what about like the views it's like well you

00:06:08.980 can look at a picture or go in a br simulation we have those these days and they're like it's not the

00:06:14.720 same and i'm like yeah it's not the same because you're not freezing your butt off you're not undergoing

00:06:19.000 permanent brain damage which by the way you do undergo almost everyone who claims that everest

00:06:26.180 undergoes permanent brain damage i'm going to put two studies on screen here only one in 13 everest

00:06:32.720 climbers had normal mri scales so you have a less than 10 probability of not undergoing permanent brain

00:06:40.620 damage and this wow i didn't know that so you're really screwing yourself up by going oh yeah you're not

00:06:47.660 just wasting tons of money you're not just putting other people's lives at risk you are permanently

00:06:51.620 fucking up your brain and this was true three years later they didn't follow up scams on these people

00:06:56.740 um so permanent damage permanent damage almost like everyone who goes specifically you have frontal

00:07:04.380 subcortical legions you have micro hemorrhages you have cortical atrophy the loss of brain tissue

00:07:10.000 you have enlargement of the vericarobin spaces fluid filled spaces surrounding blood vessels you have

00:07:16.280 subcortical lesions white matter hyper intensities you have reduced white matter density and volume

00:07:21.920 reduced gray matter density and volume in specific regions of the brain and what does this up looking

00:07:28.320 like you typically have a loss of memory both short-term and long-term and barbius psychia which is a

00:07:37.260 slowness of thoughts so you think slower afterwards so you are you are slightly retarding yourself

00:07:45.000 for the rest of your life just to be able to tell people that you climb that Everest and a lot of

00:07:51.080 people are willing to do that i mean you already have to be so damaged other people slides at risk

00:07:55.640 slightly retarding themselves for the rest of their life and they're not even showing that they have

00:08:00.700 done anything of particular difficulty anymore aside you spend a lot of money yeah you could just spend a

00:08:07.120 ton of money and you know there's been instances that we'll talk about like

00:08:10.880 i kid you not that guy you just saw being carried down from Everest in a sack that guy is the same guy

00:08:26.320 who you're about to see on tour and during this he didn't even thank the sherpa who took him down

00:08:33.120 t ravi chandran intends to proudly wave the jalo gamilang flag at the summit of all the world's

00:08:39.620 tallest mountains it does not matter if the mountain is steep or if he has to squeeze in between

00:08:45.960 narrow crevices he will not forget to carry the malaysian flag with him the first thing that we put

00:08:51.740 on our tent is the jalo gamilang so it's about pride he hopes the government will recognize his

00:08:59.800 contributions to the nation and will call on him to say a few words on medeca day

00:09:04.540 wow look how far i climbed and i'm not even tired wake up you lazy sherpas we've got a mountain to climb

00:09:27.360 bikini la so there's the one instance that i learned about last year who this is a 2012 instance

00:09:33.860 of sharia shah chlorphine who was a canadian who basically had no reason to have anyone permit her

00:09:43.460 to climb mount Everest in terms of her experience and her training but she just basically paid so

00:09:49.140 much to an outfit that was like yeah sure well whatever you're saying you want to pay that much

00:09:54.520 okay let's do this because you can always get someone you know who's going to be like

00:09:58.400 you know everyone has a price and that's the problem is now i think Everest is really full

00:10:02.980 of unscrupulous um climbing outfits they will just take about anyone and she by the way perished in in

00:10:10.520 the dead zone on her way back down from the top on a uniquely crowded day because she ran out of

00:10:15.540 oxygen because she used up way too much because she wasn't fit to climb this mountain um so that's

00:10:21.740 the other problem other people have made it down but have like screwed up other people's assist so

00:10:26.640 there was another influencer ravi shandra who was also found in the dead zone he apparently was by

00:10:32.800 himself there and some other team had to abandon their ascent to pick him up and bring him down and

00:10:38.640 he ended up not even thanking them thinking like his insurance company and sponsors and like

00:10:43.120 pretending that didn't happen and like his tour about his climb but he made it to the top and if you

00:10:49.600 look at the pictures of this and i'll play some video of this camp 2 where i witnessed the most

00:10:53.780 extreme and large lines of the entire season as we were at camp 2 we could see every single team that

00:11:00.500 was ahead of us moving up from camp 3 to camp 4 i mean my teammate tyler described it as a black mamba

00:11:07.480 and there's just no other better way to describe that thing if you saw a viral video of lines on

00:11:12.540 Everest this year this is most likely where it took place and these same people went up to the summit

00:11:17.760 together and that just created even more lines which were all documented as well

00:11:21.940 the lines everywhere you go

00:11:23.700 people, crowds, all the lines, lines, lines

00:11:27.300 all the lines, lines, lines, lines

00:11:30.820 and then there get to be so many people that they make fast pass

00:11:35.720 you stand in line to get a ticket to stand in line later

00:11:38.500 then there's lines for the bathrooms, lines for the drinks, lines for cantagoras and rare cantagula things

00:11:43.980 it's just lines and lines it's a it's a it's a corporatized thing

00:11:49.160 you are going to the top to wait in line for an hour to spend a few seconds on the top of a mountain

00:11:56.720 lon what makes things worse is the inexperienced climbers make the line run

00:12:00.800 because they slow everyone else down

00:12:02.640 yeah uh and you're risking your potential life and any other good you could do with your life

00:12:08.420 one to two percent of climbers who attempt to summit die

00:12:11.680 so you're risking your life you're blowing tons of money

00:12:15.460 how much money?

00:12:16.940 $30,000 to $160,000

00:12:18.860 although the sort of median range is $50,000 to $60,000 per a cent

00:12:23.080 that's like an Oxbridge Masters

00:12:25.480 that you know a good like year spent doing some really fun studying in a gorgeous place

00:12:30.740 yeah you could be doing productive work

00:12:32.720 you could be doing productive research

00:12:34.140 well if you just want to do something indulgent

00:12:35.820 that's what I would do with that money

00:12:36.940 if I like had nothing to do with my life

00:12:38.780 I would respect somebody more who spent that money just partying for a year

00:12:42.920 they would do less damage to their brain

00:12:44.780 a better story

00:12:45.840 it would be more fun

00:12:46.880 more interesting

00:12:47.700 yeah

00:12:48.820 more interesting than I waited in line for ages

00:12:51.460 um

00:12:52.400 no honestly you'll probably do more good

00:12:54.560 like getting shit faced

00:12:56.000 and you know

00:12:57.300 like doing crazy things

00:12:59.600 as long as you don't drive or anything

00:13:01.160 yeah

00:13:01.900 like

00:13:02.460 but the point here being

00:13:04.480 is that there's a lot you can do with $60,000

00:13:09.780 that is good for the world

00:13:11.340 like if you don't fit that on yourself

00:13:13.200 for somebody in a developing country

00:13:15.400 that can feed dozens of families

00:13:17.480 oh that's game-changing money

00:13:19.000 yes

00:13:19.540 that could be spent on medical research

00:13:21.960 that could be

00:13:22.480 it is

00:13:23.720 it is not like

00:13:24.760 oh I'm just spending this on myself

00:13:26.780 whatever

00:13:27.240 it is

00:13:27.680 I am choosing this to spend on myself

00:13:29.980 for a completely self-indulgent reason

00:13:32.540 and I know like when I

00:13:34.340 I self-indulge

00:13:35.580 like I play video

00:13:37.280 that costs money

00:13:38.500 right

00:13:38.820 that doesn't make the world a better place

00:13:40.420 but I understand

00:13:41.740 that I should be ashamed of that

00:13:44.080 okay

00:13:45.980 you

00:13:46.800 I wouldn't brag to somebody

00:13:49.220 about how much video games I play

00:13:51.880 or you know

00:13:53.240 I wouldn't brag to somebody

00:13:54.920 that I hadn't wasted the time

00:13:56.220 to like beat a Dark Souls game

00:13:58.320 on whatever

00:13:58.900 you know like

00:13:59.540 that is a sign

00:14:01.980 of my failing as a human being

00:14:04.740 okay

00:14:05.220 my failing to vanity

00:14:06.900 my failing to addictive loops

00:14:08.980 my failing to

00:14:09.980 the worst thing you can do

00:14:12.140 is to treat your sins

00:14:14.100 as if they are virtues

00:14:16.200 because it leads to terrible decisions

00:14:19.060 like we see in the case of Everest

00:14:21.120 now let's go over the costs

00:14:24.040 of of of claiming Everest

00:14:26.520 in terms of like the world

00:14:28.220 all right

00:14:28.900 okay

00:14:29.380 so body retrieval

00:14:30.660 there are approximately

00:14:31.700 200 bodies on Everest

00:14:33.660 removing bodies

00:14:34.980 typically cost between

00:14:36.160 30,000 and 70,000 per body

00:14:38.740 in self-cousal cases

00:14:40.540 they can reach

00:14:41.400 a hundred thousand dollars

00:14:42.500 or more

00:14:43.200 it requires

00:14:44.040 six to ten sherpas

00:14:45.460 working

00:14:45.980 for most of a day

00:14:47.460 to bring down

00:14:48.060 a single body

00:14:48.980 so that's in addition

00:14:49.720 to all of these costs

00:14:50.680 frozen bodies

00:14:51.600 can weigh significantly

00:14:52.360 more than their original weight

00:14:53.740 due to attached ice

00:14:55.300 oh gosh

00:14:56.660 yeah

00:14:57.240 oh

00:14:57.860 like when you have a slightly

00:14:59.680 yeah something out of the freezer

00:15:01.520 and it's all caked with

00:15:03.120 mmm

00:15:03.540 not good

00:15:04.500 yeah and these have to be brought

00:15:05.820 all the way down

00:15:06.980 but helicopters typically

00:15:08.420 can't land above camp two

00:15:10.100 so you're bringing these down

00:15:11.460 significant distances

00:15:12.480 risking the life of everyone

00:15:14.800 who's carrying this body

00:15:16.140 you know

00:15:16.600 this is a huge risk to them

00:15:18.380 and

00:15:19.080 also that

00:15:20.100 that person who died

00:15:21.600 unceremoniously

00:15:22.500 can like

00:15:23.200 had a chance at bragging rights

00:15:25.180 had a chance

00:15:26.920 to challenge themselves

00:15:28.020 in a way that was

00:15:28.800 pointlessly dangerous

00:15:29.840 pointlessly damaging

00:15:31.240 pointlessly expensive

00:15:33.240 just so that we know

00:15:34.800 oh

00:15:35.040 oh there's the body

00:15:35.900 of somebody

00:15:36.360 who would rather pay

00:15:37.640 you know

00:15:37.980 at minimum

00:15:38.740 you know

00:15:39.500 twenty thousand dollars

00:15:40.880 to

00:15:41.700 masturbate

00:15:43.080 okay but

00:15:43.760 why can't we just

00:15:44.840 create a body dumpster

00:15:46.060 on Everest

00:15:47.880 just out of the way

00:15:48.900 because it's an eyesore

00:15:51.080 like I

00:15:52.020 I don't get

00:15:52.900 like I

00:15:53.460 I get

00:15:53.920 I understand

00:15:55.060 that it is

00:15:56.980 an eyesore

00:15:58.620 to the tourists

00:16:00.180 but honestly

00:16:01.240 they're kind of there

00:16:01.960 to see the dead bodies

00:16:02.920 I say it's a feature

00:16:03.800 not a bug

00:16:04.380 right

00:16:04.820 as long as they're

00:16:05.720 out of the way

00:16:06.180 just make a giant pile

00:16:07.280 and then you have

00:16:08.120 the benefit

00:16:08.600 of having them

00:16:09.560 see what assholes

00:16:10.340 they are on the way down

00:16:11.220 I don't know

00:16:11.720 why we're risking

00:16:12.260 you want to create

00:16:12.900 a dump

00:16:13.340 at the top of Everest

00:16:14.580 and you're one of the

00:16:15.120 base caves

00:16:15.500 this is a holy mountain

00:16:16.980 to the Nepalese people

00:16:18.460 yeah and this shows

00:16:19.480 yeah don't mess

00:16:20.420 with the mountain

00:16:21.140 here's the giant

00:16:22.220 pile of bodies

00:16:23.040 to show what

00:16:23.800 what the mountain

00:16:24.900 is crying

00:16:25.480 you may misunderstand

00:16:26.380 how holy the mountain

00:16:27.600 is so for Sherpas

00:16:28.440 for example

00:16:29.120 some of them

00:16:30.580 have to spend

00:16:31.120 like five hours

00:16:32.760 a day

00:16:33.280 on off season

00:16:34.120 doing prayers

00:16:35.040 just to ritually

00:16:36.120 cleanse themselves

00:16:36.960 for the sin

00:16:37.980 of going on

00:16:38.740 to the mountain

00:16:39.360 it is a very

00:16:40.640 bad thing to do

00:16:41.900 to lead bodies

00:16:42.800 and to understand

00:16:43.480 the size of the

00:16:44.280 trash heaps

00:16:44.820 up there as well

00:16:45.780 there's an estimated

00:16:46.720 40 to 50 metric

00:16:48.440 tons

00:16:48.960 of debris

00:16:50.020 like oxygen

00:16:51.200 canisters

00:16:51.800 I'm sure people

00:16:52.800 just dump them

00:16:53.640 at the top

00:16:54.180 they don't care

00:16:54.760 because you know

00:16:55.540 you're about to die

00:16:57.220 or something

00:16:57.720 you don't really

00:16:58.260 the teams are

00:16:59.500 are very selfish

00:17:00.460 about this

00:17:00.960 it's even a common

00:17:01.860 practice for teams

00:17:02.540 to cut the logos

00:17:03.240 out of their tents

00:17:03.980 so they can just

00:17:05.000 leave them at the top

00:17:05.940 without being traced

00:17:06.900 back to them

00:17:07.480 oh that's so screwed

00:17:09.840 up

00:17:10.600 my expedition leader

00:17:11.700 Garrett Madison

00:17:12.560 actually commented

00:17:13.580 about how some teams

00:17:14.940 will cut their logo

00:17:15.980 out of their tents

00:17:16.960 so when they go down

00:17:18.340 and they don't need

00:17:18.880 a tent anymore

00:17:19.640 they can just

00:17:20.260 leave theirs there

00:17:21.140 because how is it

00:17:21.880 going to be traced

00:17:22.360 back to them

00:17:22.900 there's no repercussions

00:17:24.100 pushing right beneath

00:17:39.840 the death zone

00:17:40.780 at camp 4

00:17:41.860 it was an actual dump

00:17:43.400 like simply put

00:17:44.560 this place was trashed

00:17:45.800 just look at this

00:17:46.780 video I filmed

00:17:47.640 I can barely name

00:17:48.840 most of the things

00:17:49.840 that are in this shot

00:17:50.860 it even smelled

00:17:51.840 horrible up there

00:17:52.700 which is very weird

00:17:53.660 because at altitude

00:17:54.620 I lose my sense of smell

00:17:56.100 but I walked in there

00:17:57.000 and it smelled like

00:17:57.700 something

00:17:58.160 I don't even know what

00:17:59.220 and now you might have

00:18:00.440 like a corpse pile

00:18:01.760 near it

00:18:02.580 bring in from

00:18:03.060 that from answers right

00:18:04.000 that's why I said

00:18:04.640 the dead zone

00:18:05.340 they'll all stay

00:18:05.960 refrigerated there

00:18:06.840 they're not gonna

00:18:07.340 thaw out in the dead zone

00:18:09.020 even on the summit

00:18:10.340 people have found

00:18:11.160 things like coke bottles

00:18:12.460 just like

00:18:13.540 oh drinking a coke

00:18:15.020 at the summit

00:18:16.000 gee whiz

00:18:17.600 and again

00:18:18.980 people are dying

00:18:20.180 cleaning this up

00:18:21.020 so for example

00:18:21.660 a Sherpa died

00:18:22.560 during a cleanup operation

00:18:24.320 of trash from camp 4

00:18:26.520 and per a Sherpa

00:18:28.120 a soldier in the Nepalese army

00:18:29.460 died at camp 3

00:18:30.760 while participating

00:18:31.520 in a trash removal effort

00:18:32.760 so yeah

00:18:34.520 people are

00:18:35.220 so you're staying

00:18:36.120 at dump sites

00:18:37.480 sitting around

00:18:38.680 in lines

00:18:39.620 like the people

00:18:40.420 who tell me

00:18:40.980 they're doing this

00:18:41.720 for like the awe

00:18:42.620 and majesty of it

00:18:43.860 it's like

00:18:44.220 I've seen the pictures

00:18:45.240 okay

00:18:46.100 you're doing

00:18:47.140 you're clearly not

00:18:48.540 there are other mountains

00:18:50.120 that you know

00:18:51.080 there are other things

00:18:52.300 you could do

00:18:52.640 I wouldn't even say mountains

00:18:53.480 it's a very self-masturbatory

00:18:55.460 thing to do

00:18:56.260 there are other things

00:18:58.520 you could do

00:18:59.400 that don't require

00:19:01.160 all of this

00:19:01.900 it's

00:19:02.600 I just hate

00:19:04.020 self-image augmentation

00:19:06.060 through

00:19:07.020 expensive acts

00:19:08.600 like that's

00:19:09.300 I think when you know

00:19:10.000 that your moral compass

00:19:11.040 and the moral compass

00:19:12.100 of the society

00:19:12.700 that has raised you

00:19:13.580 has just gone

00:19:14.300 completely off the deep end

00:19:15.640 no

00:19:16.440 I want to get into

00:19:17.360 the arguments

00:19:18.760 around Sherpas

00:19:20.160 and is this immoral

00:19:21.900 because of the Sherpas

00:19:23.280 I just

00:19:24.040 I just looked up

00:19:24.880 Mount Kilimanjaro toilets

00:19:26.320 and I understand

00:19:27.160 why you have to have

00:19:27.760 a separate pair of shoes

00:19:28.720 it's just shit

00:19:32.320 everywhere

00:19:32.980 yeah

00:19:34.520 no

00:19:34.820 like all the popular mountains

00:19:36.300 are gross

00:19:37.640 don't

00:19:38.460 like why

00:19:39.240 why would you go

00:19:40.260 onto them

00:19:40.840 you know

00:19:42.040 theme park

00:19:44.440 they're literally

00:19:45.260 repainting

00:19:46.700 overnight

00:19:47.340 because there's

00:19:48.280 so much

00:19:48.680 gross stuff

00:19:49.500 smeared onto the walls

00:19:50.580 and whatnot

00:19:51.240 you don't want

00:19:52.400 to go somewhere

00:19:53.340 where there's a lot

00:19:54.560 of foot traffic

00:19:55.260 and not a huge amount

00:19:56.700 of infrastructure

00:19:57.260 to clean that stuff

00:19:58.560 not sanitary

00:20:00.220 yeah

00:20:01.340 and it's like

00:20:02.020 why can't you just

00:20:03.600 undergo the hardship

00:20:04.580 of claiming a local

00:20:05.800 mountain

00:20:06.140 it's likely

00:20:07.220 just as beautiful

00:20:08.440 you

00:20:09.240 you don't have to

00:20:10.900 put other people's

00:20:11.700 lives at risk

00:20:12.500 you don't

00:20:13.240 all the Mr. Ballin

00:20:14.720 videos don't

00:20:15.340 like I think

00:20:16.140 you and I

00:20:16.780 would probably agree

00:20:17.700 that it's just

00:20:18.240 irresponsible

00:20:18.980 to go out hiking

00:20:20.300 because

00:20:20.920 there's all these

00:20:22.000 these Mr. Ballin

00:20:22.980 and other like

00:20:24.020 you're missing 411

00:20:24.860 stories

00:20:25.980 about people

00:20:27.360 who go out hiking

00:20:28.360 and they want to go

00:20:29.000 show off how like

00:20:30.080 rugged they are

00:20:30.880 and then they die

00:20:31.700 and then a bunch

00:20:32.400 of people spend

00:20:33.220 hundreds of

00:20:34.520 thousands of dollars

00:20:35.500 sometimes millions

00:20:36.680 of taxpayer money

00:20:37.800 local taxpayer money

00:20:39.240 to find

00:20:40.640 these

00:20:41.280 yahoos

00:20:42.140 who go out

00:20:42.880 even you know

00:20:43.760 seasoned explorers

00:20:45.380 and stuff

00:20:45.900 it's not

00:20:47.920 I am okay

00:20:48.820 with

00:20:49.320 things designed

00:20:50.700 to teach people

00:20:51.500 and kids

00:20:52.080 how to live

00:20:52.600 outdoors and off

00:20:53.400 the land

00:20:53.680 that is not

00:20:55.140 Everest

00:20:55.680 yeah but you

00:20:56.580 can do that

00:20:57.240 without going

00:20:58.320 into the wilderness

00:20:59.460 you can do that

00:21:00.520 with in a safe

00:21:01.900 nearby space

00:21:03.080 where you're easy

00:21:03.700 to find

00:21:04.100 with cell phone

00:21:04.860 coverage

00:21:05.460 and I point out

00:21:07.180 that we are not

00:21:07.760 like anti-outdoor

00:21:08.720 people

00:21:09.020 my dad was

00:21:09.780 on the board

00:21:10.440 of like

00:21:10.880 Outward Bound

00:21:11.440 and you

00:21:13.440 used to work

00:21:14.600 as a river guide

00:21:15.560 I was never paid

00:21:16.560 I was too young

00:21:17.180 to be paid

00:21:17.680 you were too young

00:21:18.440 to be paid

00:21:18.800 but you did

00:21:19.780 do this every summer

00:21:20.880 you'd go

00:21:21.540 be a river

00:21:22.340 guide

00:21:23.280 and you still

00:21:24.540 have the voice

00:21:25.020 for it

00:21:25.340 like when she

00:21:25.740 goes into

00:21:25.980 river guide voice

00:21:26.700 it's shocking

00:21:27.280 to a lot of people

00:21:28.160 because she can

00:21:29.260 like get this

00:21:29.720 booming voice

00:21:30.500 out of nowhere

00:21:31.220 that's very commanding

00:21:32.500 and that she kept

00:21:33.460 having to use it

00:21:34.100 around our wedding

00:21:34.720 because people like

00:21:35.860 were doing it

00:21:36.700 and say

00:21:37.020 go to the

00:21:38.980 anyway

00:21:39.580 I want to get here

00:21:41.040 to the Sherpa

00:21:41.560 argument

00:21:41.860 because I find

00:21:42.540 this one

00:21:42.920 more nuanced

00:21:43.720 and less obvious

00:21:45.280 than just a

00:21:45.900 why are you

00:21:46.460 wasting time

00:21:47.160 on something

00:21:47.520 that obviously

00:21:48.080 brings no good

00:21:48.740 to the world

00:21:49.120 and it's just

00:21:49.640 self-experts

00:21:50.160 so

00:21:51.200 and here I would

00:21:52.240 note

00:21:52.540 that my

00:21:53.140 criticism

00:21:53.540 of claiming

00:21:54.120 things like

00:21:54.480 Mount Everest

00:21:54.900 does not

00:21:55.700 attach to people

00:21:57.220 who are doing

00:21:57.800 it for things

00:21:58.440 that clearly

00:21:59.040 have value

00:21:59.860 i.e.

00:22:00.720 if you're going

00:22:01.180 up as a research

00:22:01.860 team

00:22:02.200 that

00:22:02.600 yeah

00:22:03.120 like okay

00:22:03.540 yeah sure

00:22:03.960 research

00:22:04.360 but like

00:22:05.000 that's such

00:22:05.520 a minority

00:22:06.060 of people

00:22:06.480 doing it

00:22:06.980 but like

00:22:07.360 i don't need

00:22:07.840 to you know

00:22:08.580 really pontificate

00:22:09.460 on that

00:22:09.800 well yeah

00:22:10.440 are you

00:22:10.840 questioning

00:22:11.300 Sherpas

00:22:11.800 i mean

00:22:12.240 hold on

00:22:13.500 hold on

00:22:14.040 what i'm

00:22:14.380 questioning

00:22:14.740 here

00:22:15.080 is

00:22:15.800 is

00:22:16.300 the

00:22:16.660 reason

00:22:17.180 that

00:22:17.560 climbing

00:22:18.020 Everest

00:22:18.440 is immoral

00:22:19.240 because Sherpas

00:22:20.420 died

00:22:20.940 doing it

00:22:21.620 i think

00:22:22.240 that's a

00:22:22.600 minor reason

00:22:23.780 but a

00:22:24.580 primary reason

00:22:25.620 and i'll get

00:22:26.420 into the argument

00:22:27.280 here okay

00:22:27.920 first the ratio

00:22:31.580 of Sherpas

00:22:31.980 to clients

00:22:32.540 has increased

00:22:33.220 significantly

00:22:33.820 in early 1990s

00:22:35.120 the ratio

00:22:35.700 was one

00:22:36.180 Sherpa

00:22:36.580 to every

00:22:37.020 five clients

00:22:37.760 today

00:22:38.260 you have

00:22:38.980 two Sherpas

00:22:39.680 per client

00:22:40.200 and in

00:22:40.600 another statistic

00:22:41.420 i heard

00:22:41.800 1.62

00:22:42.560 Sherpas

00:22:43.060 per client

00:22:43.820 so what

00:22:44.660 you're seeing

00:22:45.080 here is the

00:22:45.560 number of

00:22:45.900 Sherpas

00:22:46.180 has exploded

00:22:47.460 and per

00:22:48.740 client because

00:22:49.380 it's just so

00:22:49.800 easy to do

00:22:50.340 it because

00:22:50.900 they just

00:22:51.200 have these

00:22:51.520 huge like

00:22:52.080 teams around

00:22:52.800 some individuals

00:22:53.460 who are doing

00:22:53.880 it so

00:22:54.120 somebody telling

00:22:54.580 you I

00:22:54.860 claimed

00:22:55.080 Everest

00:22:55.420 doesn't really

00:22:56.140 mean anything

00:22:56.860 anymore

00:22:57.220 you know

00:22:57.520 you've got

00:22:57.880 the diploma

00:22:58.380 mill of

00:22:58.820 Everest

00:22:59.200 as for the

00:23:01.760 Sherpas

00:23:02.040 themselves

00:23:02.560 and here's

00:23:03.020 the argument

00:23:03.420 that okay

00:23:03.960 but this

00:23:04.340 is really

00:23:04.720 bad

00:23:05.020 you are

00:23:05.340 needlessly

00:23:05.800 risking

00:23:06.120 people's

00:23:06.520 lives

00:23:06.860 Sherpas

00:23:07.920 had

00:23:09.840 4,053

00:23:11.700 deaths

00:23:12.160 per 100,000

00:23:13.500 full-time

00:23:13.960 workers

00:23:14.440 avalanches

00:23:15.460 are the

00:23:15.940 primary cause

00:23:16.640 of Sherpa

00:23:17.040 deaths

00:23:17.380 for 46.4%

00:23:19.300 so around

00:23:19.920 how it's a

00:23:20.300 Sherpa

00:23:20.520 to die

00:23:20.840 there's

00:23:20.980 just nothing

00:23:21.300 you can

00:23:21.520 really do

00:23:21.940 to avoid

00:23:22.400 avalanchions

00:23:22.880 if you're

00:23:23.100 climbing Everest

00:23:23.580 it's not

00:23:24.260 like they've

00:23:24.720 messed up

00:23:25.160 or something

00:23:25.600 it's just

00:23:26.100 a statistical

00:23:27.080 I guess

00:23:27.480 not

00:23:27.820 disproportionately

00:23:28.460 an avalanche

00:23:29.820 takes out

00:23:30.240 everyone in

00:23:30.780 its path

00:23:31.260 it's not

00:23:31.780 because they're

00:23:33.000 carrying stuff

00:23:33.760 if you're

00:23:34.340 talking about

00:23:35.120 4,000 Sherpa

00:23:37.220 deaths

00:23:37.600 for 100,000

00:23:38.780 workers

00:23:39.200 how did that

00:23:39.860 compare to

00:23:40.200 other high-risk

00:23:40.840 professions

00:23:41.500 US soldiers

00:23:43.100 in Iraq

00:23:43.620 335 deaths

00:23:45.720 per 100,000

00:23:46.600 workers

00:23:46.960 for

00:23:48.260 Alaskan

00:23:49.560 bush pilots

00:23:50.120 another one

00:23:50.480 of the most

00:23:50.860 dangerous jobs

00:23:51.540 out there

00:23:51.880 287 deaths

00:23:53.480 commercial

00:23:54.620 fishermen

00:23:55.040 124 deaths

00:23:56.900 miners

00:23:57.800 25 deaths

00:23:59.260 per 100,000

00:24:00.740 Sherpa

00:24:01.640 are an

00:24:02.780 astronomically

00:24:03.940 more dangerous

00:24:04.720 profession

00:24:05.260 compared to

00:24:06.280 anything else

00:24:07.080 that you're

00:24:08.400 talking about

00:24:09.260 for active

00:24:10.460 US soldiers

00:24:11.740 in an

00:24:12.260 active war

00:24:13.260 zone

00:24:13.740 it's

00:24:15.360 335

00:24:16.580 versus

00:24:17.920 4,053

00:24:20.660 for Sherpas

00:24:21.400 yeah

00:24:22.280 that's

00:24:24.140 really bad

00:24:25.000 this is making

00:24:25.240 multiples

00:24:25.980 more dangerous

00:24:26.980 than being

00:24:27.540 in an active

00:24:28.240 war zone

00:24:28.980 for these

00:24:29.440 individuals

00:24:29.840 wow

00:24:30.620 okay

00:24:32.380 I didn't

00:24:32.740 realize

00:24:33.100 it was

00:24:33.700 that

00:24:33.960 bad

00:24:34.560 I mean

00:24:35.240 I get

00:24:35.540 why they

00:24:35.860 do it

00:24:36.360 because

00:24:36.740 you can

00:24:37.620 make

00:24:37.880 so much

00:24:38.880 more

00:24:39.340 working

00:24:39.800 on Everest

00:24:40.320 than doing

00:24:40.920 pretty much

00:24:41.520 just by

00:24:42.920 such an

00:24:43.400 order of

00:24:43.880 magnitude

00:24:44.340 than anything

00:24:45.280 else in

00:24:45.680 the area

00:24:46.120 it's

00:24:46.960 really

00:24:47.380 tempting

00:24:47.780 but that's

00:24:48.940 yeah

00:24:49.160 god

00:24:49.480 what a

00:24:49.840 hazard

00:24:50.340 that's

00:24:50.740 terrible

00:24:51.120 yeah

00:24:52.020 you know

00:24:52.780 but then

00:24:53.760 you're gonna

00:24:54.840 die

00:24:55.280 it's not

00:24:56.040 good

00:24:56.440 oh

00:24:56.940 now why

00:24:57.300 do I

00:24:57.540 hate this

00:24:58.000 argument

00:24:58.320 right

00:24:58.660 okay

00:24:59.100 so the

00:25:00.020 obvious

00:25:00.380 counter argument

00:25:01.040 to this

00:25:01.380 is

00:25:01.760 yeah

00:25:03.620 and

00:25:04.860 the

00:25:05.420 Sherpas

00:25:05.800 know this

00:25:06.540 and

00:25:07.400 it's the

00:25:08.220 best economic

00:25:08.920 opportunity

00:25:09.540 in the region

00:25:10.220 that they

00:25:10.580 have access

00:25:11.140 to

00:25:11.620 by a

00:25:12.380 long shot

00:25:13.280 families

00:25:13.820 and gives

00:25:14.240 them a

00:25:14.460 good life

00:25:15.040 and people

00:25:15.900 are like

00:25:16.160 well it

00:25:16.480 shouldn't

00:25:17.000 be the

00:25:17.660 best economic

00:25:18.340 opportunity

00:25:18.840 that they

00:25:19.220 have access

00:25:19.580 to in the

00:25:19.940 region

00:25:20.140 i haven't

00:25:21.120 seen a

00:25:21.620 single person

00:25:22.220 making this

00:25:22.660 argument

00:25:22.940 attempting to

00:25:23.560 improve the

00:25:24.020 economy

00:25:24.300 i know

00:25:24.560 it's a

00:25:24.840 but it

00:25:25.180 is like

00:25:25.720 what do

00:25:26.220 you want

00:25:26.420 to do

00:25:26.740 it is

00:25:27.300 yeah

00:25:27.500 it's 7%

00:25:30.040 of the

00:25:30.800 of the

00:25:31.900 big country's

00:25:32.520 gdp

00:25:33.040 what the

00:25:33.920 you can't

00:25:34.800 knock out

00:25:35.360 at 7%

00:25:36.140 of the

00:25:36.380 country's

00:25:36.760 gdp

00:25:37.100 industry

00:25:37.460 and expect

00:25:38.180 things to be

00:25:38.800 fine for

00:25:39.280 the people

00:25:39.740 when you're

00:25:40.820 dealing with

00:25:41.380 the level

00:25:41.840 of poverty

00:25:42.340 that these

00:25:42.740 people live

00:25:43.220 in that's

00:25:43.640 children starving

00:25:44.480 to death

00:25:44.920 that's still

00:25:45.780 people dying

00:25:46.640 you can't

00:25:47.580 say well

00:25:47.980 hypothetically

00:25:48.920 it would be

00:25:49.400 nice if it

00:25:49.960 wasn't the

00:25:51.040 only way they

00:25:51.580 had to make

00:25:52.100 money but it

00:25:53.080 is the only

00:25:54.080 way they have

00:25:54.620 to make money

00:25:55.080 and it's

00:25:55.780 actually getting

00:25:56.660 better for them

00:25:57.560 over time

00:25:58.380 the sherpas have

00:25:59.360 noted that the

00:25:59.940 amount that they

00:26:00.640 make per year

00:26:01.580 has gone up

00:26:02.600 dramatically over

00:26:03.740 time especially

00:26:05.300 recently with the

00:26:06.960 extra commercialization

00:26:08.140 of the field and

00:26:09.440 the number of

00:26:10.060 sherpas being used

00:26:11.080 has gone up so

00:26:11.680 that means the

00:26:12.060 number of people

00:26:12.460 making money on

00:26:13.380 this has gone up

00:26:14.080 and then you

00:26:14.760 can say okay

00:26:15.520 okay okay

00:26:16.380 well they can't

00:26:17.180 be earning that

00:26:18.060 much compared to

00:26:18.900 the local populace

00:26:20.000 right like why

00:26:20.920 is this so

00:26:21.560 interesting to them

00:26:22.360 the average annual

00:26:23.960 earnings for a

00:26:25.840 sherpa are

00:26:27.220 four thousand to

00:26:28.520 ten thousand

00:26:28.940 dollars and keep

00:26:29.560 in mind they're

00:26:29.960 only working during

00:26:30.780 climbing season

00:26:31.640 um

00:26:32.780 although like of

00:26:34.280 course to anyone

00:26:34.940 here who's thinking

00:26:36.080 all right what would

00:26:37.200 you need to pay me

00:26:38.100 to deal with some

00:26:39.700 entitled asshole

00:26:41.180 probably or

00:26:42.720 if not entitled

00:26:44.160 asshole at least

00:26:44.820 entitled you know

00:26:45.760 person who's willing

00:26:46.580 to you know an

00:26:47.420 everest person and

00:26:48.900 risk my life and

00:26:49.960 how many climbs is

00:26:50.820 a sherpa doing you

00:26:51.780 know probably three

00:26:53.480 climbs a season I

00:26:54.980 would imagine it I

00:26:56.620 didn't have to look

00:26:57.240 this up maybe just

00:26:58.000 one but even even

00:26:58.980 just one climb how

00:27:00.340 much would you need

00:27:01.300 to be paid to put

00:27:03.000 your life on the

00:27:03.920 line for that

00:27:04.820 or yeah but this is

00:27:06.600 the problem they are

00:27:07.560 thinking like

00:27:08.300 privileged you know

00:27:10.280 people who live in a

00:27:11.320 developed country yeah

00:27:12.580 where they don't

00:27:13.100 have to worry about

00:27:14.000 genuine scarcity and

00:27:15.440 so they don't

00:27:15.940 understand what

00:27:16.800 they're suggesting

00:27:17.560 when they're

00:27:18.320 suggesting taking

00:27:19.100 away these people's

00:27:20.000 source of income

00:27:20.800 yeah what I was

00:27:21.600 making is now for

00:27:23.000 for per year sure

00:27:24.100 but they're making

00:27:24.420 four thousand to

00:27:25.080 ten thousand dollars

00:27:25.780 there's this huge

00:27:26.740 bump up from what

00:27:27.340 it used to be used

00:27:27.960 to be around four

00:27:28.480 thousand to five

00:27:29.000 thousand dollars so

00:27:30.280 it's it's rising which

00:27:31.340 is great for them now

00:27:32.820 you could say well

00:27:33.680 what's the average

00:27:34.420 monthly salary in

00:27:35.580 Nepal right to put

00:27:36.680 this in context it's

00:27:38.020 two hundred thirty

00:27:38.680 dollars to two

00:27:39.380 hundred seventy

00:27:39.900 dollars that's that's

00:27:43.980 why they're doing

00:27:44.560 this and that's an

00:27:46.860 average you know

00:27:48.340 half of the people

00:27:48.920 are making less than

00:27:49.540 that or might not be

00:27:51.060 mean but you know

00:27:51.660 what I mean right

00:27:52.280 like um and I

00:27:54.680 also note here that

00:27:56.440 the minimum wage in

00:27:57.820 Nepal which is what a

00:27:59.400 lot of which is the

00:28:00.480 alternative for a lot

00:28:01.560 of Sherpas because a

00:28:02.680 lot of the Sherpas are

00:28:03.500 not people with high

00:28:04.560 skill sets they're

00:28:05.220 acting like well why

00:28:05.940 don't they have coding

00:28:06.820 background well they're

00:28:07.820 the group of people

00:28:08.460 who would otherwise

00:28:09.380 be earning minimum

00:28:10.300 wage the average

00:28:12.020 minimum wage in

00:28:12.900 Nepal not the

00:28:14.140 average the minimum

00:28:14.740 wage in Nepal is

00:28:15.800 one hundred and

00:28:16.380 fifteen dollars per

00:28:17.380 month that's the

00:28:19.460 alternative for these

00:28:20.420 people for a lot of

00:28:21.940 them and then you

00:28:22.880 can be like okay well

00:28:24.100 what about like top

00:28:25.700 earning professions in

00:28:26.820 Nepal right a

00:28:29.360 software engineer in

00:28:30.460 Nepal is making

00:28:31.900 seven thousand dollars

00:28:33.100 per year to fourteen

00:28:34.300 thousand dollars per

00:28:35.320 year consider this is

00:28:36.760 in context with the

00:28:37.380 Sherpas four thousand

00:28:38.140 to ten thousand

00:28:38.700 dollars so they're

00:28:39.740 earning in the range

00:28:42.140 for a non-skilled

00:28:43.640 profession of the

00:28:44.560 highest earners in

00:28:45.700 their country okay

00:28:49.300 that's that's it that's

00:28:53.900 to me insane that you

00:28:56.580 would say oh people

00:28:58.100 aren't going to on the

00:28:59.920 net suffer if we remove

00:29:02.000 this earning opportunity

00:29:03.140 from well so we just

00:29:04.720 need we need to build an

00:29:06.020 escalator and a slide

00:29:07.480 all right let's build an

00:29:08.820 escalator and a slide

00:29:10.040 let's just fully

00:29:11.980 commercialize it change

00:29:13.520 okay so what we need to

00:29:14.620 do is we bring people to

00:29:15.900 Everest we're like okay

00:29:17.240 now you're entering the

00:29:18.040 Everest secret society you

00:29:19.460 get to base camp we are

00:29:20.840 going to use AI imaging

00:29:23.000 to create an image of you

00:29:24.380 at the summit nobody

00:29:25.560 actually goes up anymore

00:29:26.720 no one will take all the

00:29:27.900 money that you would have

00:29:28.560 spent on all of this

00:29:29.340 useless stuff we'll give

00:29:30.620 it you know Sherpas families

00:29:32.620 and other poor people in

00:29:33.700 Nepal and the family

00:29:34.360 who died because they

00:29:35.580 don't get that much in

00:29:36.200 their insurance packages

00:29:37.040 yeah and and we'll send

00:29:39.100 you home and you can brag

00:29:40.160 to everyone like yeah

00:29:41.200 set up a luxury hotel in

00:29:43.260 Nepal that's just for the

00:29:44.620 secret society we're like

00:29:45.840 hey for the month or so

00:29:47.780 that you'd be climbing

00:29:48.560 Everest you know do you

00:29:50.880 really want to do or do

00:29:53.060 you want to just party with

00:29:54.540 a bunch of other wealthy

00:29:55.480 people for four weeks and

00:29:59.260 now we can cover up all the

00:30:01.180 lines we can cover up all

00:30:02.780 the dope we can cover up

00:30:04.420 all the bodies and you

00:30:05.880 don't have to worry about

00:30:06.560 any of that anymore

00:30:07.460 because because stimulated

00:30:09.300 Everest everything's uh

00:30:11.460 dokey and you're actually

00:30:12.980 contributing a bit of it

00:30:14.220 and that benefit to society

00:30:15.580 because your money is

00:30:16.580 actually going to making

00:30:17.840 the world a better place

00:30:18.820 I feel like maybe Nepal

00:30:21.520 could pull it off especially

00:30:24.560 if no here's here's the

00:30:26.800 great thing is no no no so

00:30:29.300 like what if one of the

00:30:30.300 outfits also like one an

00:30:32.260 extra expensive package is

00:30:33.940 tragic death on Everest and

00:30:35.620 and Nepal like the

00:30:36.580 government's in on it they'll

00:30:37.620 issue the death certificate

00:30:38.580 like yeah

00:30:39.220 yes because you still like

00:30:43.100 no one would believe it if

00:30:44.360 there was a secret Everest

00:30:45.400 cabal but like suddenly the

00:30:46.900 survival rate's 100%

00:30:48.240 suspicious no one believes

00:30:49.900 it anymore so some people

00:30:52.580 go and they never come back

00:30:53.960 tragic death or no this is a

00:30:55.840 big problem oh my gosh so

00:30:57.560 tragic we need to stop this

00:30:59.020 yeah there's still like

00:30:59.620 wealthy divorce lawyers so

00:31:00.980 it's like okay you need to

00:31:02.680 disappear it's how just yeah

00:31:04.380 it becomes a very tragic

00:31:05.700 voting accident and you

00:31:07.200 know it's it's it's a very

00:31:08.080 posh way to die obviously

00:31:09.480 you know dying whatever is

00:31:10.680 so sad so sad and then of

00:31:12.340 course but all their all

00:31:13.180 their holdings were in

00:31:13.900 crypto and their wallet was

00:31:15.140 on them on the mountain

00:31:16.680 fell in a crevice don't know

00:31:18.080 where it went oh true

00:31:19.400 fell in a crevice yeah fell in

00:31:23.360 a crevice all that all that

00:31:25.340 crypto gone forever so sad I

00:31:28.140 don't know that that's that's

00:31:29.620 the real dream I guess is and

00:31:31.000 because these are all such

00:31:31.820 insecure people who have to

00:31:33.360 be able to say I summited

00:31:34.580 Everest they you know would

00:31:38.140 steel man the other side of

00:31:39.860 this for me okay okay what net

00:31:43.260 good is gonna come out like to

00:31:45.280 the people who are like no I

00:31:46.680 actually like climbing Everest is

00:31:48.340 a good thing for like and when

00:31:50.520 I say a good thing for my

00:31:51.440 personal development it needs to

00:31:52.400 be differentially good thing a

00:31:54.700 good thing that you could not

00:31:55.980 have achieved by something of

00:31:57.980 equal cost and risk to life like

00:32:00.920 with less cost and less risk to

00:32:02.580 other people's lives

00:32:03.300 thoughts

00:32:06.720 okay so so I wait I really really

00:32:13.700 want to climb Everest and I'm

00:32:14.840 talking to you and you're saying

00:32:16.140 why are you doing this it seems

00:32:18.920 completely selfish

00:32:19.840 completely selfish and well I'm

00:32:23.000 saying well one like this is the

00:32:25.340 economy of Nepal I am supporting

00:32:27.500 it to well not even just give the

00:32:30.560 money directly to Nepal don't make

00:32:33.460 people risk their lives for you

00:32:34.940 yeah I I guess gosh this is this is

00:32:42.120 difficult okay I don't care about

00:32:43.900 Nepal screw screw Nepal screw the

00:32:46.280 Nepalese people screw their

00:32:48.080 traditions around Everest being

00:32:50.100 sacred whatever they are I don't know

00:32:52.100 about them because I don't care

00:32:53.100 because I'm not culturally sensitive

00:32:54.400 etc I just want to be the best and I

00:32:58.600 want to climb the hardest mountain

00:33:01.280 although I think K2 is hard but the

00:33:04.000 thing rightly you're like first it's

00:33:06.100 not up the hardest mountain to it's

00:33:09.100 it's just the quiet status mountain

00:33:11.540 which again is part of the problem

00:33:13.520 here and again you're like okay I

00:33:16.060 want to be the best why do you need

00:33:18.160 to be the best in this totally

00:33:19.600 pointless way that society respects

00:33:21.900 but though like reality doesn't

00:33:24.400 respect the fact that you were

00:33:25.700 standing on some arbitrary peak and

00:33:27.680 again there are other ways you can be

00:33:30.120 the very best without trashing the

00:33:32.600 environment wasting money and

00:33:34.280 sacrificing other humans lives

00:33:36.280 yeah one also a lot of society really

00:33:54.980 doesn't respect I think you know

00:33:56.380 Everest has become one of those things

00:33:58.000 that people now see is quite douchey so I

00:34:02.940 also don't really understand why a lot

00:34:05.040 of people I think a lot of people in

00:34:07.560 their childhood like younger now I do

00:34:10.080 think in the future the the Everest

00:34:12.920 market will crash because we've reached

00:34:15.540 a point at which the the vast majority

00:34:18.280 of the coverage of Everest is like oh so

00:34:22.960 many people die on it it's it's sort of a

00:34:24.940 grotesque interest in death or just

00:34:27.840 should and fraud of people loving on

00:34:30.280 how annoyingly long the lines are and you

00:34:33.440 know the vast majority of the pictures of

00:34:35.020 the summit of Mount Everest is this massive

00:34:37.080 massive line of people so I think the

00:34:41.240 market will crash I can't steel man it

00:34:43.880 because I really can't you know the

00:34:46.900 woman who died that I mentioned at the

00:34:48.480 beginning of this her whole thing was

00:34:50.360 just this sort of very narrowly cited

00:34:53.460 like I I'm just gonna do it like she was

00:34:55.860 the kind of person like she ran for

00:34:57.120 office in Canada she just did a bunch of

00:34:59.300 things and her life was always like

00:35:00.920 nothing's gonna get in my way like you

00:35:03.220 say I can't do it I'm gonna do it and I

00:35:05.240 think that's a lot of the people who go

00:35:06.620 up there it's very much that sort of

00:35:08.260 spoiled toddler syndrome of like they they

00:35:12.680 just stubbornly insist that they can and

00:35:14.780 must do it and then because it is tedious

00:35:18.220 and difficult to do it I think it can

00:35:20.280 motivate a very specific type of person

00:35:22.420 well I see them as spoiled toddlers

00:35:25.000 like to me I see somebody and I've

00:35:27.880 mentioned this in another episode saying

00:35:29.080 I claimed Everest is like having a

00:35:30.400 swastika tattooed on your forehead I'm

00:35:32.020 like oh I know you're a garbage human

00:35:33.540 being thank you for communicating that

00:35:35.620 to me doing emotional fucking cripple

00:35:37.900 your soul is dog shit every single

00:35:40.340 fucking thing about you is ugly but it's

00:35:42.980 not the only category of recreation I see

00:35:45.900 is like that like if I knew that playing

00:35:48.100 video games like my preferred form of

00:35:50.340 recreation like randomly killed somebody

00:35:53.300 like one in ten times I hit a specific

00:35:55.360 key or something like that or one in a

00:35:56.840 hundred times I hit a specific key I'd be

00:35:59.000 like yeah I should stop doing this like

00:36:01.440 yeah I might like the video games or

00:36:04.080 randomly killed me I'd be like yeah it

00:36:07.080 should stop I should or I should at least

00:36:09.720 not be bragging about it first it is the

00:36:11.860 only category of this you know whether

00:36:13.160 you're talking about free climbing for

00:36:15.620 example another category of this free

00:36:18.080 climbing really freaks you out you know

00:36:20.120 like another one well it's interesting

00:36:21.780 that doesn't freak me out as much is

00:36:23.280 dangerous style spelunking like I can't

00:36:27.540 handle there's so many stories about

00:36:30.040 people who have died in this it's always

00:36:31.140 like the dumbest thing why did you crawl

00:36:32.940 into a tunnel if you didn't know you're

00:36:34.320 gonna be able to crawl back out that

00:36:35.400 tunnel I'd like it it's like well you're

00:36:37.820 putting your life and other people's

00:36:39.400 like do you have nothing to offer the

00:36:41.980 world like you can't even like sit down

00:36:43.360 and try to make yourself somebody who

00:36:44.680 could offer the world something it's

00:36:46.400 like you go up to someone and you're

00:36:47.580 like hey you've been gifted this one

00:36:49.940 life to try to make it count to try to

00:36:52.940 do something good for the world and then

00:36:55.320 they're like you know what I think I'd

00:36:56.940 rather shove myself in a hole and you're

00:36:58.960 like whoa whoa wait excuse me you'd

00:37:01.100 rather do what yeah I'm gonna go in the

00:37:04.080 desert and shove my head in a hole and

00:37:07.100 you're like why would you do that I

00:37:09.940 don't know I like it it makes me feel

00:37:12.320 good gets me off that's a crazy thing

00:37:14.540 that's a crazy thing or not dangerous

00:37:17.000 types of cave diving where it's like look

00:37:18.900 I don't mind if you spelunkin like a big

00:37:20.740 cave just explore it and enjoy it but

00:37:23.300 there is a point where whether it's

00:37:25.480 mountain climbing or cave diving or

00:37:27.960 anything like that where there is a

00:37:29.420 form of it that is fun and recreational

00:37:31.140 where the risk to other people or

00:37:34.540 yourself is marginal and at their point

00:37:37.400 where the only reason for what you are

00:37:40.100 doing anymore is to increase the risk

00:37:42.700 well and part of this it may be it it

00:37:45.540 reminds me as you're giving me these

00:37:47.440 examples it reminds me of sexual arousal

00:37:50.620 pathways gone wrong how you know

00:37:53.560 obviously it's humans have evolved to

00:37:56.700 have instincts that make them interested

00:37:58.320 in things associated with sex because

00:38:00.260 humans who are not at all interested in

00:38:03.160 those don't tend to reproduce at really

00:38:04.540 good rates so then they don't really

00:38:05.760 inherit the future and so there's not a

00:38:07.200 whole lot of us who aren't really into

00:38:08.380 it but then you know there are some

00:38:09.980 people who then have really weird

00:38:11.640 arousal pathways with regard to certain

00:38:13.280 things and they take it too far and they

00:38:14.620 die like your expectation or through

00:38:16.920 other things you know shoving stuff up

00:38:18.500 their butts when they really shouldn't

00:38:20.160 because that's not really reproductive

00:38:21.740 and I think that humans also have and

00:38:23.940 this is a really really good trait that

00:38:25.560 has built civilization that has created

00:38:27.540 inventions and amazing things for

00:38:30.180 pushing limits and exploring and you know

00:38:34.520 pushing themselves as far as they can go

00:38:36.460 you know wanting to prove things to

00:38:37.740 yourself and that is a good thing it's

00:38:39.740 just these people are the equivalent in

00:38:42.220 terms of that like super stimuli as the

00:38:45.320 person who ends up choking themselves for

00:38:47.600 arousal or you know doing a bunch of

00:38:50.080 the people who die on Everest are the

00:38:53.080 moral equivalent of the person who died

00:38:55.260 because they put a light bulb up their butt

00:38:56.760 to get off yeah or a gerbil up their butt

00:38:58.820 to get off it's called auto erotic asphyxiation

00:39:03.040 this is my problem with it the risk reward

00:39:05.700 it's not good

00:39:08.940 and I know the reward because I read about

00:39:13.460 it like apparently by cutting off the

00:39:15.500 oxygen or something like that you increase

00:39:18.140 your orgasm until it's one and a half

00:39:21.100 times as powerful as the one you had the

00:39:24.500 thursday before last but is that really

00:39:28.840 that important I mean we have a lot of

00:39:32.100 things in this country it's you know

00:39:33.820 it's raining in the forest there's all

00:39:35.680 kinds of shit we have to think about

00:39:37.400 let alone whacking off that's our big

00:39:40.280 problem but the risk good lord

00:39:44.400 yeah it's just they take it too far like

00:39:47.500 it's there's there's a place for that

00:39:49.480 and you've taken it too far well no but

00:39:52.420 you know like the guy who put the light

00:39:54.560 bulb up his butt knew there was a risk

00:39:56.700 it putting a light but it really turned

00:39:58.320 him on you know the guy who put the

00:40:00.360 gerbil up his butt he knew it was a risk

00:40:02.340 it created a positive emotional state for

00:40:05.000 him and he's like this is more important

00:40:06.420 to me than the risks that this is

00:40:08.840 incurring or the pain that this is

00:40:10.640 incurring others in the case of the

00:40:12.040 gerbil

00:40:12.320 oh okay now butters could you bring

00:40:15.280 over lemmy winks for me please

00:40:16.780 sure

00:40:17.540 oh no no no no no no no you know I

00:40:22.760 I think that this is when we begin to

00:40:25.920 as a society framing the people who

00:40:28.500 indulgently spend the one lives that

00:40:31.360 they are gifted in these really really

00:40:32.920 selfish ways as the same as the type of

00:40:36.220 person who ends up in a hospital with a

00:40:38.220 light bulb up their butt then we can

00:40:41.200 lower the people who are doing this

00:40:43.520 performative a lot of people are just

00:40:45.100 doing this performatively and yeah

00:40:46.600 there's gonna be some like you know

00:40:48.300 small portion of the population that

00:40:50.020 just can't stop themselves from

00:40:51.560 climbing dangerous mountains or going

00:40:53.020 into dangerous holes or putting

00:40:54.260 gerbils up their butt but you know that

00:40:57.120 is that is where we can be like okay

00:40:58.820 well you know you at least understand

00:41:01.700 that everyone sees you as the guy who

00:41:03.280 died putting a gerbil up his butt

00:41:04.760 um but yeah

00:41:07.360 yep average everest garbage in in every

00:41:13.500 respect can't understand it but what is

00:41:16.560 wild is that

00:41:17.580 well I don't personally know anyone who

00:41:20.980 has climbed

00:41:21.500 not everest we do know I think we've

00:41:25.380 we've encountered multiple people not

00:41:27.240 just your dad who've climbed mount

00:41:28.820 kilimanjaro so people are still doing

00:41:31.040 that to less extent you would have

00:41:33.540 done

00:41:33.800 no I think everest is the type of

00:41:36.940 thing he would have done

00:41:38.100 if the opportunity had come up at the

00:41:40.480 right age and I was like I respect my

00:41:42.780 dad I like my dad but this is one area

00:41:44.300 where like his moral structure is just

00:41:46.560 very juvenile but it's because he's a

00:41:49.080 first generation like we'll have a

00:41:51.640 separate video on this which is like

00:41:53.020 why are first generation atheists so

00:41:55.900 likely to have authentic value systems

00:41:58.080 it was actually I was gonna say it

00:42:00.320 seems like the there was a rise in

00:42:02.480 this kind of behavior as religion

00:42:05.440 ebbed a little bit I think yeah

00:42:09.780 because it's not that religion didn't

00:42:11.280 have pointless ways you could

00:42:12.560 challenge yourself but the pointless

00:42:14.080 ways you could challenge yourself in

00:42:15.280 religion were usually meant to lower

00:42:17.780 negative externalities they were

00:42:19.840 broadly pro-social we could say well

00:42:22.200 no or anti-social they'd say go

00:42:23.920 cloister yourself in a room and don't

00:42:25.740 talk to anyone for 30 years like

00:42:28.080 that's a very difficult thing to do

00:42:30.320 wait you know what no it is broadly

00:42:32.220 pro-social because it takes the crazy

00:42:33.980 assholes and removes them from

00:42:35.480 society come on yeah we gotta tell

00:42:39.220 everyone in Everest hey hey the new

00:42:41.300 thing is can you get off social media

00:42:43.300 for 20 years

00:42:44.180 the challenge the real yes that's how

00:42:48.400 you really know

00:42:49.280 i love you thought like i i like that i

00:42:57.040 think that's what we need to be pushing

00:42:58.280 um the the new i think that all of this

00:43:01.700 is sort of downstream the first

00:43:03.520 generation

00:43:04.020 didn't really have any sort of a

00:43:07.440 meaningful alternative to it well and

00:43:09.340 they didn't have they didn't have some

00:43:10.900 other way to find meaning or

00:43:12.640 achievement in life and yeah i mean i

00:43:14.780 mean like other religions give you

00:43:16.480 sacraments like you can join

00:43:18.080 religious service or you could have a

00:43:20.120 family and like you are really maxing it

00:43:23.180 out by doing that and and if you want to

00:43:25.380 get intense have 10 kids if you want to

00:43:27.820 get intense become a nun you know there

00:43:30.200 are things you can do and the problem i

00:43:33.560 think with with a broadly atheist society

00:43:35.840 is the way now that you max it out is by

00:43:39.460 spending a lot of money or doing dumb

00:43:42.200 shit like climbing mount everest well

00:43:44.060 they they coded value moral value to

00:43:48.160 their self-perception and society's

00:43:50.220 perception of themselves rather than any

00:43:52.460 sort of objective or well-thought-through

00:43:54.600 value system well and i you know i'm i

00:43:57.780 would argue that a lot of people did

00:44:00.320 things like join religious service or have

00:44:03.800 a lot of kids or do things like that to

00:44:05.400 signal but at least it it harnesses that

00:44:08.720 desire to front and harnesses it for good

00:44:11.940 like people who just gave a lot of money

00:44:13.500 like think about what wealthy families

00:44:15.560 used to do they used to like the

00:44:17.640 carnegies like they they gave so much

00:44:20.540 you know all the libraries and the

00:44:22.060 theaters and like all these other things

00:44:23.460 and then before they think about what the

00:44:25.400 medicis did like they built and there's

00:44:27.060 all this art they commissioned and like

00:44:28.300 they sort of gave things to society you'd

00:44:30.640 get a fountain in your town or something

00:44:32.420 you know and now it's it's not being

00:44:35.540 spent on something everyone can do a lot of

00:44:38.460 that too is is driven even by weirdly

00:44:41.300 anti-capitalist sentiment in that like in

00:44:44.540 the past you could become a wealthy

00:44:47.200 benefactor and give to society and be

00:44:49.480 celebrated for it and now like the chan

00:44:51.980 zuckerberg initiative wants to like end

00:44:53.520 human disease and people like oh screw you

00:44:56.240 and maybe that's another issue too is now

00:45:00.280 because it's not the world to be a

00:45:02.480 patron you can't even like you can't

00:45:05.980 flaunt your wealth in a way that benefits

00:45:08.780 society because society will hate you for

00:45:11.600 it and so instead they're spending it on

00:45:13.700 still like doing things like climbing

00:45:15.400 mount everest and and that's killing

00:45:17.480 sherpas and that's killing other like

00:45:19.100 here's another great example like the

00:45:21.120 billionaires who all died in that submarine

00:45:23.080 trying to see the titanic right well

00:45:25.140 because they couldn't they couldn't

00:45:26.700 possibly like found a library because

00:45:29.260 then people would be like a rich person

00:45:31.500 i mean they still made fun of them but

00:45:33.260 they if they'd done something more

00:45:35.180 public-facing that was meant to benefit

00:45:36.820 other people they would have been

00:45:38.920 criticized for it and that is yeah i don't

00:45:41.380 know i'm just i'm just starting to think

00:45:42.720 about this more well we have now wealthy

00:45:45.400 people are demonized for trying to do good

00:45:48.200 for trying to give to society right and i

00:45:51.640 think that if we look at the people who

00:45:53.280 are trying to live our value system right

00:45:55.720 like billionaires this is one of the

00:45:58.500 reasons why we even though like there

00:46:00.400 might be reasons to criticize elon musk

00:46:02.140 he's clearly trying to get us off planet

00:46:04.320 which is like our core goal and he's

00:46:06.220 trying to make awareness for pronatalism

00:46:08.260 in a way that hurts his ability to make

00:46:11.000 money and stuff like that he's trying to

00:46:13.180 like you really need to cut billionaires

00:46:16.080 some slack if they are broadly trying to

00:46:19.240 do things in alignment with your value

00:46:21.140 system oh he's he's trying to set up

00:46:22.660 self-driving cars to drive people around

00:46:24.940 cities he's trying to set up like

00:46:26.560 dramatically lower than of the death

00:46:28.180 yeah and people like oh can you believe

00:46:31.020 this billionaire monster i just it's so

00:46:33.540 annoying but yeah i i think that's that's

00:46:35.920 another issue though is if you show that

00:46:39.180 you if you use your wealth to try to help

00:46:41.480 society you're going to be not only not

00:46:45.200 praised but actively criticized you're

00:46:47.740 going to start to do stupid indulgent

00:46:49.460 stuff like climb mount everest or going

00:46:51.660 to submarine bottom of a invest endlessly

00:46:54.100 on like go like on all these ayahuasca

00:46:56.580 trips and just look inward and then spend

00:46:58.440 all your money on mental health and like

00:47:00.520 the only way this is averted is through

00:47:02.300 social shaming and through through

00:47:04.780 realigning society's perception of

00:47:08.300 individuals who put themselves at these

00:47:10.520 sorts of pointless risks as the guy who

00:47:13.920 died sticking a light bulb up and and

00:47:16.100 rewarding people who use their resources

00:47:17.920 to give back because right now we just

00:47:20.400 punish them yeah we just punish them we

00:47:22.020 just punish them and it's worse than just

00:47:24.200 punishing them when we praise them people

00:47:26.800 attempt to punish us oh yeah yeah no so

00:47:29.680 it's very serious i was just listening to

00:47:31.360 an interview on the honestly podcast with

00:47:33.800 mark andreason between very wise and

00:47:35.660 mark andreason and mark andreason was

00:47:36.960 talking about this he was like there used

00:47:38.300 to be this sort of social contracts in

00:47:40.000 america where if you worked hard and built

00:47:44.000 a company and made a lot of money then

00:47:45.900 you'd get to go to all the fancy parties

00:47:47.520 and you donate money and people would

00:47:49.580 celebrate you and it'd be fun you know

00:47:52.440 like that would be like a good motivator

00:47:54.260 and now people are doing that and they're

00:47:56.760 trying to give back bill gates tries to

00:47:58.780 give back jen zuckerberg tries to give

00:48:00.420 back elon musk tries to give back and you

00:48:04.160 know what what elon musk gets like attacked

00:48:05.860 by the u.s government and society and and

00:48:08.100 mark zuckerberg gets attacked by the

00:48:09.660 government and society like and they get

00:48:11.520 hated you know people have all these

00:48:12.540 conspiracy theories about bill gates and

00:48:14.600 he's a monster so the social contract has

00:48:17.780 oh i have a call with abigail schreier i'm

00:48:20.140 sorry i have to i have to end the call but

00:48:21.760 uh you can you can end i'm sorry love you

00:48:23.200 i love you too bye

00:48:38.100 mountains high but hearts are small chasing

00:48:44.100 glory watch them fall waiting lines and

00:48:48.780 freezing nights dollar bills and blinding

00:48:52.960 lights footsteps echo empty fame rescuers call

00:48:59.780 out your name risk their lives for hollow gain frostbite thoughts and freezing pain

00:49:08.280 climbing everest to nowhere while the world is crying we ain't there

00:49:15.780 dollar signs in hollow air risking laughs for glories clear

00:49:22.780 in the valley hear the cries hungry hands and angel eyes

00:49:34.200 thousands could be fed and warm yet we climb into the storm

00:49:41.160 is it worth it look around glory in a mountain shroud life is precious not a game

00:49:52.160 chasing peaks is just insane climbing everest to nowhere while the world is crying we ain't there

00:50:03.860 dollar signs in hollow air risking lives for glories clear

00:50:10.680 cleaning everest to nowhere while the world is crying we ain't there

00:50:28.240 while the world is crying we ain't there dollar signs in hollow air risking lives for glories clear

00:50:36.680 Risking lives for glory's glare

00:50:40.220 Climbing Everest to nowhere

00:50:44.260 While the world is crying, we ain't there

00:50:48.160 Dull the signs in hollow air

00:50:51.500 Risking lives for glory's glare

00:50:55.020 Glory's glare

00:51:00.820 Glory's glare

00:51:06.680 Glory's glare

Based Camp - December 17, 2024

Everest： The Longest Line of Selfish Egotists on Earth

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