Based Camp - Exorcisms Up 10X Over Decade： We’re Thrilled

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about

00:00:03.780 the phenomenon of the surge in exorcisms that have been happening with articles like demand

00:00:10.780 for catholic exorcism reportedly on the rise so we'll go over a couple articles that talk about

00:00:16.820 this recent surge in exorcisms and then we will go over why exorcisms are and people know on this

00:00:24.740 show we're generally seen as having a and i think it's important to cite your bias is a pretty

00:00:29.020 anti-catholic bias but catholic exorcisms specifically are demonstrably a good thing 0.68

00:00:34.560 they hold on no we actually love catholics we have a bias against the catholic church

00:00:40.920 and the vatican the vatican yes yeah we're anti-vatican channel yes yes but but this is

00:00:47.500 one thing the vatican does very well yeah we're weirdly despite being very anti-mysticism as well

00:00:53.940 we're weirdly like yeah exorcism's great this is yeah i think a lot of people would be surprised

00:00:59.640 because they know that we're very anti-vatican and we're very anti-blue we're anti-mysticism

00:01:04.200 many people would even call our form of christianity secular in its nature so they

00:01:09.220 would be surprised that we would be like hey that thing that like even catholics get kind 0.99

00:01:13.720 of embarrassed about the whole normalization yeah you don't hear them talk about it exorcisms

00:01:17.960 and i'm like no that's really good like because we believe in evidence-based interventions and

00:01:24.680 guess what let's see well yeah which is what i'm gonna go into if you're like well i've heard all

00:01:29.120 these horror stories about exorcisms where people died and where children were abused and none of

00:01:35.820 those were carried out uh by catholics they were all carried out by pentecostals oh see i told you

00:01:42.380 pentecostals that's who you gotta watch out for charismatic pentecostals too they are witches

00:01:48.460 just pentecostal equals witch i don't know what to tell you malcolm that episode went live on our

00:01:54.220 private where we point out that many of the practices in charismatic pentecostal christianity

00:02:00.040 do not come from christianity but they were actually borrowed from a cultist and theosophist

00:02:06.120 of the 1920s which they're they literally just took witchcraft and integrated it into christianity

00:02:13.880 but i didn't want to be too spicy with that one so we we shelved that episode yeah you were like

00:02:18.580 personally i don't i don't why you are willing to go so hard on catholics and you're not willing

00:02:23.480 to go hard on pentecostal pentecostals anyway anyway i'll keep going here i love your your

00:02:32.720 it's it's actually about voting so if we run for president the pentecostal vote is in a very

00:02:39.680 important vote i don't know i feel like the pentecostals are fractured enough because they're

00:02:44.660 also they're much more likely to be following individual charismatic preachers to be like

00:02:49.200 yeah all the other pentecostals are witches we're just not and so they're all gonna be like yeah

00:02:54.440 pentecostals my guy actually vets everything he does my god yeah my guy they're not his magical

00:03:00.740 spells are only from god from jesus but everyone else's magical spells and they're speaking in

00:03:06.760 tongues that is all satanic and i don't know when i speak in tongues it's just not it's fine all

00:03:12.920 right all right so to go into this according to the baltimore sun requests for exorcisms are

00:03:17.260 increasing and priests performing the ritual are in greater demand than ever with the number of

00:03:21.800 exorcists in the united states growing from about a dozen 15 years ago to approximately 150 today

00:03:27.860 so that is insane to me because i thought they were this still is very when i was in college

00:03:34.360 remember i had that really embarrassing crush on the catholic who then became a priest

00:03:39.040 and there were there were on two occasions he was like oh yeah like i'm gonna go to an exorcism

00:03:44.500 today but i think that happened at least twice so i thought they were like way more common if

00:03:50.080 like within one college he wanted to like go recreationally watch he was no i think he was

00:03:54.900 gonna help the priest you know like to be the assistant exerciser i don't know what the words

00:03:58.840 are here but like you i think he was gonna help the priest exercise the demon and i was like the

00:04:04.860 vatican so he was like on fast track to well because he's the best well no the last time i

00:04:09.660 saw him was at the vatican but i i think he came back to like now he's in the yeah but i mean he

00:04:15.840 was on fast track to like church stuff anyway no he's well yeah no but like he's i mean i would

00:04:20.480 want him because he like really knew his catholic stuff but like i would want him at an extra he's

00:04:25.600 actually a great example of how catholicism can lower like why they have a lower birth rate than

00:04:30.660 other iterations of christianity yeah because you would have wanted to marry him and likely

00:04:35.600 would have converted to his religion and had lots of kids with him but instead he wanted to become

00:04:40.100 a priest yeah for the backstory just so i i relive the most embarrassing parts of my life

00:04:46.200 on this podcast because you also won't delete my old videos on this channel when i was in college

00:04:52.360 there was this guy in my honors class on the divine comedy that had like a jew and a and a

00:04:59.020 pagan wiccan goth girl and me the like raised buddhist liberal and then some like protestants

00:05:08.000 in it talking about dante's divine comedy which is of course very catholic in its inspiration as

00:05:13.680 hate fan fiction and then he was the one catholic so i i became very i i'm like i'm attracted to

00:05:21.560 passion and intelligence and he had a lot of it for catholicism so then i got this big crush on

00:05:26.640 him because he also looked kind of like matt damon not retarded like we're like real matt damon 0.86

00:05:32.700 like good and so i was like okay like i i i'm like i have a huge crush on you and so i would

00:05:38.940 i worked at a cupcake shop at the time and i worked closing shifts so i would get all these

00:05:43.420 free very expensive cupcakes at the end of the day and i'd walk home with these heavy bags until

00:05:47.320 my fingers bled and i would he was an aria in his dorm and i'd be like oh well i'm going to deliver

00:05:52.340 cupcakes for your the students in your dorm and then while there you know i'd show up in his room

00:05:57.060 with all the cupcakes and i'd be like oh i have this question i just can you explain to me why

00:06:02.000 gays go to hell and then like he'd sit down and like talk to me about like the hardest things 0.99

00:06:06.540 about over and over again you asked him about catholic doctrine because he found that that 0.99

00:06:11.260 was the one thing that he'd get really nerdy about it would allow me to stay in his room longer

00:06:14.820 and then one day he's like simone like like these these meetings with you have really

00:06:22.100 moved me and helped me decide my direction in life and i'm gonna join the priesthood

00:06:28.220 that is this is how good my game is ever but yeah no this is this is maybe maybe part of the reason

00:06:35.420 why it's not bad but think about this in another context if you'd been in another denomination

00:06:39.800 he would have gotten married to you to keep talking about that stuff and well and what's

00:06:44.960 what's interesting actually is i don't know how i came across it maybe it was like one of his other

00:06:48.280 assignments or something that i reviewed in the class or something but maybe it was a poem or an

00:06:52.520 essay about him trying to figure out his vocation in life like should he choose like the sacrament

00:06:58.020 of becoming a priest or should he choose like the sacrament of having or maybe that was how he

00:07:03.340 explained it in his letter to me where he told me he was going to become a priest or something

00:07:06.560 like he he really and he'd like he'd broken up with a girlfriend at one point earlier like he

00:07:13.000 i think he was really thinking hard about it in college and then he just he erred in favor of

00:07:17.600 instead of choosing to marry choosing the priesthood and that's yeah i mean yeah if he

00:07:24.480 were in another religion he could have done both and been amazing at it and it's it is it's it's

00:07:29.320 going to be a difficult thing i think for the catholic church because he wasn't so far as i

00:07:34.840 could tell i mean maybe he was gay right like it could be that he just wasn't really attracted to

00:07:38.440 his girlfriend was like do i want to have sort of a loveless marriage of children or do i want to

00:07:43.020 become a priest so that i mean that i feel like that was that's really where the the catholic

00:07:49.260 priesthood makes a lot of sense is like if you're just really like you're really kind of gritting

00:07:54.400 your teeth about it here's an out I think that's fair but yeah I still I'm disappointed when I

00:08:00.840 think about all the people who could have amazing kids and be amazing priests but yeah well I'm glad

00:08:05.560 because then I get to marry you right no it's true I know I'm so I'm so you and I are so perfect for

00:08:10.780 each other yeah to continue here yeah no about us being like really well matched what I'm saying I

00:08:15.140 do sometimes I watch the podcast with the volume off and I think how well we get along comes across

00:08:20.840 even better when it's on silent and you're like oh they actually do seem to like each other um

00:08:25.620 monsignor stephen rosetti a washington dc based priest and licensed psychologist told the sun

00:08:35.220 we're getting more and more people needing an exorcism there are only about 150 exorcists in

00:08:40.540 the country and they are being flooded with requests including many from desperate people

00:08:45.380 pleading for assistance we can't keep up with the demand now and it's only going to get worse

00:08:49.760 surely the the catholic church or vatican has the ability to like ramp up its its exorcism

00:08:55.440 training programs yeah and and of the church first always see or where they screen the person

00:09:02.480 to see if it's a mental illness more than 99 of those claiming possessions are actually experiencing

00:09:09.140 a mental illness and they're referred to mental health providers by the church i think they

00:09:14.100 shouldn't be so strict about that and we'll get into why in just a second um but first uh what i

00:09:20.500 want to go into is what happens in these exorcisms okay oh there's another fun article here i guess

00:09:27.720 because all we know is is what we see in the movie the exorcist which i guess is not is it

00:09:33.880 is it not pope leo the 14th host exorcist at the vatican surge in satanism cases raises concern

00:09:44.840 for vulnerable believers so vatican and exorcist warns of rising occult threats urging trained

00:09:51.580 clergy to safeguard vulnerable faithful worldwide in a private audience on march 13th the pope

00:09:57.000 received representatives blah blah blah signaling renewed attention to what the church officials

00:10:03.060 have described as a growing spiritual crisis. The delegation presented a detailed report

00:10:07.820 highlighting an increase in the numbers linked to occultism, esotericism, and Satanism, warning

00:10:13.480 that many individuals are suffering serious spiritual consequences as a result. The private

00:10:18.660 meeting, details of which were shared by EWTN Vatican, centered on the rising demand for trained

00:10:25.320 exorcists and the church's preparedness to respond. So basically, even at this 150 number now,

00:10:33.060 they now feel that we don't have enough and we need more and the 150 is so few yeah but it used

00:10:41.000 to only be two dozen no but imagine like three per state in the united states that's that that

00:10:46.520 is vanishingly unusual well how many times do you need an exorcism in your life simone it's not

00:10:52.180 dude i mean you actually fix the problem no no here's the thing here no here's the thing is that

00:10:57.160 our kids convergently evolved exorcisms just on their own yeah yeah and so i i know that people

00:11:03.420 intuitively want them and that's why i'm shocked that they're not being asked for more

00:11:06.740 yeah so what is interesting here is the catholic church itself here is saying that many of these

00:11:14.260 exorcisms are downstream of people engaging with esotericism um which again goes to what we talk

00:11:20.960 about mysticism is the enemy and engaging with it puts you in a dangerous position not just

00:11:27.240 from a theological perspective but from a secular perspective right yes it opens you up to

00:11:33.880 believing that your subjective experiences when they are not in concordance with reality

00:11:41.400 supersede reality right that can lead to many forms of dangerous and disordered thinking

00:11:48.460 and therefore it is of utility to purge this from the way you perceive reality but could it lead to

00:11:54.960 disordered mental states even in a secular context it could require an exorcism to correct and would

00:12:01.020 an exorcism correct then we will get to that in a second but yes right okay so what does an exorcism

00:12:07.680 actually look like in practice the minor simple exorcism so this is something i did not know of

00:12:14.000 These are common, non-solemn prayers used to break general demonic influence, temptation, or oppression.

00:12:21.920 They appear at the rites of baptism for adults and children, and any priest or even lay people in limited forms can use related prayers from the appendix of the original ritual book.

00:12:35.020 These are not dramatic rituals, but prayers invoked in God's protection, often involving the sign of the cross, holy water, or simple invocations.

00:12:44.720 Play Catholics can pray similar deliverance prayers privately for themselves or others, but not in an official capacity.

00:12:52.520 So, certain types of very devout Catholics, they are doing exorcisms all the time.

00:12:59.580 yeah they're over-the-counter exorcisms so you kind of have these layers of there's over-the-counter

00:13:04.400 exorcisms and there's probably like kind of prescription exorcisms like at baptisms where

00:13:08.080 like a priest is doing it and then you have like inpatient exorcisms where like the priest is

00:13:12.740 coming to your house yes these exorcisms if you want to get a feel for what they're like

00:13:18.240 they remind me of like you know you have like a vampire hunter movie or whatever and like you know

00:13:22.840 they walk into a house and they like chant some little thing or they put holy water at the door

00:13:26.760 they you know yeah they're just all parts of their little day have little rituals tied to

00:13:32.240 them that come from books of approved rituals i wonder if you're crossing yourself remember how

00:13:36.760 in peru which is very catholic if you were in an uber or something at least half the drivers would

00:13:42.480 cross themselves whenever they were at a stoplight yeah yeah and when we took off on planes people

00:13:47.860 would cross themselves and i'd be like oh god like before i knew it was a normal thing i was

00:13:52.360 like what is wrong with this plane does everyone think they're gonna die it's happening yeah so

00:13:58.960 culturally and was in our religion we take a very anti-ritual perspective because rituals do

00:14:07.680 waste time but rituals have many positive psychological effects absolutely and so

00:14:13.220 if you are somebody who is biologically predispositioned to get into rituals we are

00:14:19.900 just not as we pointed out like religions and practices co-evolve with populations that practice

00:14:25.680 them although for people who point out that simone is x percent jewish and therefore jewish

00:14:31.720 she's equally catholic to jewish she has a catholic grandparent too so you know my dad was an altar 0.63

00:14:37.460 boy yeah and you're much more into rituals than i am i i am you are you actually do not mind like

00:14:44.920 church music and stuff like that oh no i love a good catholic mass you kidding me yeah i find

00:14:49.800 them intolerable it's like a graduation ceremony oh i hate graduation ceremonies

00:14:56.540 something like that where you're just like oh my god i don't want to i'd i'd rather

00:15:03.540 sit through like actually the oscars in person

00:15:07.880 oh i mean so one sitting through the oscars in person wouldn't that be interesting

00:15:18.120 just what i mean at least they're like attempting to entertain me no but i think people respond to

00:15:25.280 this biologically differently i i i suspect that there's many people out there i mean there

00:15:30.740 obviously appear to be that just love mass right like they think it's the best and they really

00:15:36.980 well and then there are different flavors of mass don't forget that there's all these different

00:15:40.260 types and so you know what kind of types down collect all your types gotta catch them very

00:15:45.340 where you collect the whole set but actually catholic people do seem to have a predilection

00:15:49.260 to collecting things it is of course the the catholic house where you see all the different

00:15:53.500 jesus candles and all the different jesus pictures like this is the thing for like especially

00:15:59.080 hispanic catholics i'm from where i grew up in texas because you had a big immigrant population

00:16:02.900 is biblically themed collectibles you never saw no when we were in texas you never saw

00:16:11.540 anyone was like maybe like we didn't take many cabs but i would say like a cab driver was like

00:16:16.380 15 candles was like different pictures of jesus on them or the saint mary or that was really

00:16:21.520 common in peru for like tons of religious paraphernalia hanging from okay that's what

00:16:26.260 i'm talking about right okay okay that's what's that's like the protection they're like amulets

00:16:31.840 religiously very like the collector approach but okay yeah pokemon it all the way now this

00:16:38.860 contrast was major exorcisms so what happens in a major exorcism all right the inpatient version

00:16:45.000 yeah yeah the inpatient version so these are for when somebody is suspected of having a demonic

00:16:50.800 possession where a demon is believed to be in control of the person's body or actions this is

00:16:57.500 in a sacramental a sacred sign not a sacrament like a baptism or eucharist and it can only be

00:17:04.480 performed by an ordained priest or bishop who received explicit permission from the local bishop

00:17:10.560 the diocese ordinaire the priest must be pious knowledgeable and prudent and of good character

00:17:16.120 per canon 1172 and many diocese now appoint dedicated exorcists and training them often

00:17:22.840 involves apprenticeship or courses through groups like the international association of exorcists

00:17:28.460 recognized by the vatican which was the organization that i was just talking about

00:17:32.100 that's now meeting and being like we need more exorcists they have an organization i we need to

00:17:37.840 guys ramp up the infrastructure guys you have the the capability i'm disappointed what they do need

00:17:45.440 and they don't have right now is special exorcism wear like catholics are very good at like choosing

00:17:51.440 outfits yeah yeah you need your yeah just like look at the anime watch anime and just like take

00:17:57.200 from that okay yes have all the atelier and you can get away with it because you're like i'm a

00:18:01.420 i'm a professional vatican exorcist like i oh my god yes wear some sort of like big hat saying you

00:18:09.520 know like you have to be armed you know yeah yeah yeah anyone who's not aware of just the amount of

00:18:17.980 artistry that goes into it like catholic vestments i think it's an articles of interest podcast on

00:18:23.500 catholic vestments that can really give you greater appreciation of the artistry that goes

00:18:26.840 into these garments they are like it it is the true where right like high fashion like now like

00:18:33.620 brands like chanel or whatever like they're not they're not good anymore the only place like the

00:18:38.500 last runway on earth is catholic vestments i will rest at that go on okay so signs of a possible

00:18:45.500 possession okay may include speaking unknown languages supernatural strengths aversion to

00:18:51.540 holy things, cross, holy water, sacraments, knowledge of hidden things, or a violent reaction

00:18:56.520 to prayer. Getting permission, like the exorcist consults a bishop for permission, and this can

00:19:03.420 take months to be allowed, right, to go to the next step, which is interesting because the right

00:19:09.160 itself is pretty, like, not that big a thing. So the right itself, typically in a church, chapel,

00:19:15.520 or private safe space, the afflicted person is often accompanied by supportive family or

00:19:20.800 assistants they may be gently restrained if there's a risk to themselves or others the exorcist

00:19:26.140 wears a surplus and purple stole it begins with prayers and preparation the litany of saints

00:19:32.900 plasms gospel readings e.g passages about jesus casting out demons the lord's prayer hail mary

00:19:38.840 and creed this would bore the demon right out of me if if i was pretending i'd be like no

00:19:45.540 oh i just have a visceral negative reaction to ritual and boring like chanting and stuff like

00:19:53.340 that i'm like nope inefficient but we need to get to the point what are we talking to malcolm

00:19:59.300 or are we talking to the demon right now right the demon that's controlling me high functioning

00:20:04.640 possessed is what i am yeah use of sacraments a blessed holy water is sprinkled recalling baptism

00:20:14.480 christ victory the signal of the cross is made repeatedly a crucifix is shown or used the

00:20:20.060 exorcist may lay hands on a person or perform exerflation breathing on the face to invoke the

00:20:25.500 holy spirit now note here right this actually isn't that different from what happened in the

00:20:30.020 movie the exorcist right like a lot of the exorcist i mean it does look creepy right to do

00:20:36.220 so i can see why it works for movies they then do exorcism prayers a mix of deprecatory prayers

00:20:43.840 supplicants asking god to deliver the person and impressatory prayers direct commands to the demon

00:20:50.300 in christ's name e.g i adjure you or depart the demon may be asked its name the right can last

00:20:57.860 for minutes to hours and may require multiple sessions well if you're going to spend months

00:21:02.500 getting something approved at least take a few hours often may require multiple sessions over

00:21:07.100 days weeks or longer reactions if any vary widely some people show no visible signs other have

00:21:13.360 convulsions vomiting or verbal outbursts which the church views cautiously it ends with thanksgiving

00:21:20.120 prayers blessings and advice for ongoing spiritual life frequent confession eucharist prayer and

00:21:26.960 avoiding occult practices and then they're what i love is they have aftercare like like they're

00:21:32.600 doing bdsm or so i i go into how much oh no all of like bdsm stuff is with like oh boy yeah hey

00:21:41.300 they they they also do like the if you look up the the tools for like hurting yourself uh you

00:21:46.760 get them from like the catholic modification buyers and then the bdsm buyers and the tools

00:21:52.880 are often the same tools like anything they're using the bdsm people also use if it works it

00:21:58.300 works you know it's aftercare the person is encouraged to live a sacrament and prayerful

00:22:04.240 life follow-up sessions may occur if needed exorcists emphasize that true freedom comes

00:22:08.840 through Christ, not just the ritual. So I'll go through different exorcist types here. So the

00:22:14.540 Eastern Orthodox Church, they perform exorcisms, but it's more integrated into regular priestly

00:22:19.300 ministry. Many priests can perform prayers of exorcism from books like the Great Book of Needs

00:22:25.060 attributed to saints like Basil the Great and John of Chrysostom. So basically in the Eastern

00:22:30.420 Orthodox tradition, they have a structure for it. Like Catholicism, there's not as many negative

00:22:36.120 outcomes from it the problem was even particularly charismatic exorcism although like lutherans and

00:22:42.120 anglicans also do exorcisms call in a form that's called deliverance ministries or prayers to cast

00:22:50.400 out demons and invoking the name of jesus anointing in oil etc part of the problem for these groups

00:22:56.860 is they don't have an official rule book so many will go further than if they were operating off

00:23:03.400 of some central authority than it ever would have a sign to them. As we've pointed out with

00:23:09.080 Protestants, their witch hunts were dramatically bloodier than things like the Inquisition

00:23:13.540 because they didn't have any central authority reigning them in or anyone in another state

00:23:19.200 being like, hey, are we acting a little crazy here? Who could say, yeah, you've gone a little

00:23:23.760 crazy this time. You need to dial it back. They never had to worry about an external authority

00:23:28.700 reviewing what they did but i want to quickly go over some specific cases that we know about

00:23:33.940 with these vatican approved exorcisms how they turned out and what you'll see is universally

00:23:40.580 pretty much positive results from these like whatever is happening to these people this

00:23:46.280 appears to be fixing it and and durably fixing it which is something we don't generally see from like

00:23:52.360 a psychologist visit which is when i i think with the the exorcisms that i might have heard about

00:23:57.120 were about hauntings and i just checked to make sure that the catholic church does officially do

00:24:03.200 house blessings and and exorcisms for hauntings and they do and honestly i feel like sometimes

00:24:10.200 something just happens or you like watch a bad movie or whatever and you get the creeps in your

00:24:14.340 house and now like there was a period where you just watched too many mr ballin videos and every

00:24:20.140 like lock and bolt all the doors i mean we still do anyway but like very obsessively and like

00:24:27.100 be very afraid about like your closet doors being you know like oh god like oh shower curtains being

00:24:35.060 closed in our old apartments and stuff you'd be like do never leave the shower curtains closed

00:24:39.720 somebody can hide in there yes yeah but so like sometimes you just get freaked out in your old

00:24:43.560 own house and if you are a catholic and you you just really start to have problems with your

00:24:49.260 house it's great that you could just have someone if there's something psychological you can do to

00:24:54.900 feel safer yeah and honestly like i would feel better it's like no like if it if it was a ghost

00:24:59.860 i have my bases covered the guy came he he spiritually fumigated my house the ghosties

00:25:06.360 are gone that's a huge quality of life improvement right from a secular even from a secular perspective

00:25:10.880 now it's a secularist he's watching this are you not now jealous of the catholic who can

00:25:14.920 make their ghosts go away i honestly i bet though that there are secular people who have had

00:25:20.960 exorcisms of their house possibly even from catholics just to like feel okay with it i mean 1.00

00:25:26.080 i remember i think even on unsolved mysteries what's his face who kept bringing holy water to

00:25:31.980 stuff and going to priests shut up i do it's okay i came prepared what are you prepared with 0.62

00:25:37.120 oh you'll see man oh ryan what you've outdumbed yourself you know i thought this was going to be 0.95

00:25:45.160 funny but now i'm actually happy that i have it it's holy water inside here i assumed it was holy

00:25:49.540 water like i could be like hey shane look over those bushes and like a demon sneaking up on me 0.98

00:25:54.400 i'd be like hey shane look over there in the bushes don't try demon fucking pull it out like 0.97

00:25:57.280 that oh that's spooky yeah right obviously we didn't travel all the way down to texas to observe 0.97

00:26:02.860 a simple old bridge the goat man's bridge i don't even know if he was catholic but he would bring

00:26:08.480 his holy water with him he's like i'm just i don't know so there was that yeah i mean i i just

00:26:14.640 one of my favorite youtube videos is the jenny nicholson where she reviews that old ghost hunting

00:26:19.160 show where they had the premise of we are going to bring a ghost hunting show that goes and checks

00:26:25.720 house for ghosts and then we'll have a team that like looks for what could be causing this other

00:26:30.660 than ghosts like multi-wiring and everything like that yeah and they always found a very obvious

00:26:36.500 explanation our host from the beginning goes to the local library or interviews local historians

00:26:42.880 to see if anything spooky or tragic has happened nearby paranormal investigator michelle comes

00:26:48.900 across a story of a little girl who died close to the home and yeah i used to think it mattered if

00:26:54.140 the ghost had lived in the house or been to the house or been aware of the house's existence it

00:27:00.680 turns out that doesn't matter yeah you know fish gonna swim ghost gonna haunt but the ghost team

00:27:05.280 would always like and it was like a and we'll never know what's right and it's basically just

00:27:10.760 like a guy pointing at the faulty wiring like fix that right away yeah it's so good so good

00:27:19.660 although honestly like i even non-faulty wiring stuff non-carbon monoxide problems like our kids

00:27:26.220 just turning to us and being like well i saw the ghost and we're like what goes to darling

00:27:31.940 believe in ghosts i'll tell you that oh my gosh yeah and they're and you know they're like they

00:27:35.720 blame ghosts for bad things that they do all the time a ghost is yeah they call them ghost is

00:27:40.960 though if something is wrong i'm like who put this in your bed octavian octavian doesn't do

00:27:47.260 it as much as the other ones it's more like titan type would be like ghost is ghost is yeah like

00:27:52.860 kids can be creepy sometimes and even that would be enough i think for some people to just get the

00:27:58.720 permanent creepies in their house because their kids being like we know it's that many of the

00:28:04.060 unsolved mystery stories involved children coming to their bedrooms at night and being like i saw a

00:28:09.080 girl and they're like what do you mean you saw a girl and like then they start freaking out and

00:28:14.100 it just i think we have too many kids for ghosts is the problem right like ghosts only seem to

00:28:18.120 visit kids when they're alone right when you get like five kids in a room and you don't get no

00:28:22.020 ghosts no not true because our kids see ghosts all the time but anyway you know i'm just saying

00:28:28.680 yeah i'm glad that there are haunting exorcisms and also i just think they're super useful did

00:28:33.540 i tell you about this conversation i had was octavian about the future police right so

00:28:37.140 i was like like what what do you know about god and he goes oh well god is like the future police

00:28:41.580 i was like well do you believe in him and he goes i've seen him like

00:28:46.260 not only did he see him he ran up to him and hugged them they have a problem with like

00:28:53.720 oh you see god you see jesus but i always i always come down after that and i'm like oh

00:28:59.600 i don't know if i believe that you really saw him and they're like no dude and he and so he was

00:29:07.080 telling me when he said this he goes but you don't believe in god daddy because because you

00:29:11.520 you always doubt his experiences yeah i always i always doubt his future for his experiences

00:29:16.440 but i love that yeah of course i believe it what do you do give him a hug thank you yeah i mean yes

00:29:29.500 but also like that's really funny that is the best we were we were having somebody trying to

00:29:37.940 convince us over emails that like no believing in like a spiritual like not real god is so much

00:29:43.200 more real and i'm like okay like you can believe that if you want to but from my perspective things

00:29:47.020 are either like real or they're supernatural and if they're supernatural this looks like a category

00:29:51.960 that everything else is supernatural we generally categorize as dubious and octavian just takes it

00:29:57.460 of course i met him what do you mean is he like one of his friends is gonna be like i don't

00:30:02.860 believe in god and he's gonna like look around and being like you haven't what have you not met

00:30:07.940 him it's like have you not seen a mailman you don't believe yeah really like where do you think

00:30:15.700 the mail comes from oh god anyway to continue here benici italy december 2021 the woman can 0.99

00:30:25.020 went to confession at the church of saint mary of mont barco with her family was out warning she

00:30:31.180 began convulsing violently screaming blasphemies and hurling insults at priests in multiple

00:30:35.280 languages including latin which she reportedly didn't know well i mean she went to enough

00:30:40.740 catholic things she probably knows a few latin words she became physically aggressive priest 0.56

00:30:45.360 believes this was a sudden demonic possession after family reports of prior disturbances

00:30:50.760 four franciscan friars performed a quote-unquote difficult major exorcism rite that lasted for

00:30:56.240 nine hours it involved prayer holy water and the full roman ritual but the thing is is it went away

00:31:03.060 after they did this like they fit like this is clearly some form of psychiatric episode

00:31:08.880 and so we're going to go into why this this seems to work so well because exorcism is actually

00:31:14.160 designed very well to have the required effect and i personally think it should be widened in

00:31:22.180 its utilization for psychiatric illnesses and not just physicians i do not i agree yeah yeah

00:31:28.160 and come to think of it you're totally right about that because one of the ways that you can

00:31:31.120 get yourself out of these things is just to believe that you're okay like yeah we'll go over

00:31:35.200 the science around just believing you're okay and how much of an impact it has yeah loyola

00:31:42.260 ammons family the demon house gary indiana 2011-2012 after moving into a rental house in

00:31:48.340 2011 the single mother and three children ages 79 reported escalating horrors swarms of black 0.98

00:31:52.940 flies in the winter shady figures unexplainable footsteps scratches appearing on the skin

00:31:57.920 and a daughter levitating a nine-year-old boy walking backwards up the wall in front of dcs

00:32:03.680 caseworker nurse and police captain the kids showed superhuman strengths spoken deep voices

00:32:10.620 it had knowledge of things they couldn't know i mean oh come on that's like our kids all the time

00:32:15.460 indy walking around being like yeah they do the same stuff but kids love to speak in demon voices

00:32:21.200 yeah they don't know stuff that i have no idea how they know all the time yeah i'm often how do

00:32:26.720 you know this doctors and psychologists first treated as a mental illness if officials witnessed

00:32:31.440 enough and the church got involved catholic priest father michael migner performed multiple

00:32:35.880 minor exorcisms in the family and one major one on the house the final intense session lasted hours

00:32:41.660 the family ended up moving out though this this one did not fix it i mean that house yeah i mean

00:32:48.280 even just the memories you had there you wouldn't want to keep living there that's insane i'm glad

00:32:53.120 they moved away that's freaking terrifying although i mean our kids kind of crawl backward

00:32:58.480 of walls too come to think of it maybe they just had rambunctious children not enough of them

00:33:04.360 clearly. So what was I going to say? By the way, we need to start VC outreach tomorrow. Like,

00:33:08.860 have you been building direct outreach with specialized email headers, like subject lines

00:33:13.800 for each person? I mean, I already made, I have, I have the personalized info, but yeah, I mean,

00:33:20.600 I can just start that proper tomorrow. Okay. Yeah. So, so I mean, you can use an AI to work

00:33:26.260 on it too, to create specialized, like we're reaching out to you because I find to be the

00:33:31.700 best header because you're explaining to them why we're reaching out i'm reaching out because

00:33:36.040 you work in x area or you invest in x and i'm relevant to this or we went to the same college

00:33:42.960 or something like that so when do exorcisms go wrong before we go into the science here

00:33:48.960 when charismatic christians do it so fort worst texas april 2025 in this one a 23 year old

00:33:55.840 alexander taylor bladens beat his 58 year old mother to death in their home likely was a wooden

00:34:03.320 jewelry box he was covered in blood holding a bible and told the police it was an exorcism

00:34:09.580 he also allegedly said i was doing the witchcraft to kill my mom this just doesn't appear to be a

00:34:15.220 this appears to be a crazy person the and sent a snapchat photo of her body to friends to talk 0.93

00:34:24.620 about the exorcism a dog in the home was also killed so just a random charismatic christian

00:34:30.740 here for pierce florida the 2025 this was a mother who performed what she called was an 0.92

00:34:37.640 exorcism on her kid and he died due to suffocation and trauma from the ritual and she obviously sent 0.91

00:34:46.480 to jail but there's been many such cases of this i don't want to go into too many because you know

00:34:50.320 i get triggered and i have problems with this although the very prominent god what was her

00:34:54.040 name a passengers mother they very much like had this mormon they go crazy with them too right yeah 0.82

00:35:00.740 demonic possession oriented approach to her children's like alleged or perceived on her end

00:35:08.020 to be behavioral issues so yeah i mean like them being you know duct taped to chairs and forced to

00:35:13.400 do things she thought she was expeling demons from them so it just seems like only catholics can 1.00

00:35:17.920 handle this and i really appreciate that they have like you need to be certified you know you need to

00:35:23.620 be like the designated exorcism person because yeah i think that they will be better for most

00:35:31.540 people than seeing a psychologist so why are exorcisms psychologically i say this as somebody

00:35:36.860 who was trained as a neuroscientist and a psychologist modern psychology has descended

00:35:40.940 into a weird cult you can watch our videos on it it is not generally good for people anymore

00:35:45.800 it's generally going to do a lot more harm than good for you and so they're basically just like

00:35:51.100 priest of the urban monoculture attempting to induct you and create dependency and so why not

00:35:56.720 not in a good way i i feel like you know going regularly to confession maybe getting something

00:36:01.320 exercised but generally i think devout catholics thrive whereas people who see therapists five

00:36:07.360 times a week don't so why why why why does catholicism work it's such a blunt instrument

00:36:14.500 something like an exorcism right it's because the way that they do it the constrained start

00:36:20.360 a big ritual that feels like a big ritual have people get into your personal space and do a

00:36:26.520 bunch of things which are going to shock and disorient you be in your personal space yell

00:36:33.920 things at you in another language basically flashing lights right splashing water on you

00:36:40.280 you know and this is just is this a path like church version of bopping it is it is and then

00:36:46.700 it's over you know you contextualize something changed the thing that changed happened now the

00:36:53.740 thing that changed is over and that is from a psych like just purely psychological tools

00:36:59.620 a great way to reframe how you see yourself in the moment you can see yourself as having these

00:37:09.300 faults and then the exorcism has happened and now you say and now i am somebody without these faults

00:37:16.220 because this event that represents like a a bridge or doorway event right like i was once in this

00:37:23.060 state i then did x event and now i'm in this state and i'm totally different what i think here

00:37:29.940 very similar to many baptism rituals which is i was just thinking that yeah like being born again

00:37:35.860 is is very much a new way to be like well now i'm better i'm different before i was this type of

00:37:41.820 person then i do big ritual but i think the exorcism rituals in many ways better than like

00:37:47.740 a generic baptism and it's closer to what original or i would say that the way that baptism should

00:37:54.460 work which is actually being dunked underwater in a river a cold river often that's shocking

00:38:00.060 that feels like oh this is new and different and weird right

00:38:04.300 the preacher done washed away all my sins and transgressions going to a church and having a

00:38:21.040 little thing on your head that i do not think is going to shock a person in the way a traditional

00:38:26.300 baptism would have to make it very easy to have a before and after tied to this event but there's

00:38:35.180 a reason why things like baptism and exorcism are practiced to create these interstitial periods

00:38:43.160 that allow you to transition from one of you of and and your view of yourself hugely controls big

00:38:51.660 behaviors obviously the study we mentioned a lot but i'm gonna go through a lot of studies here

00:38:54.500 is the vietnam war study you know where even being addicted to hard drugs something as simple

00:38:59.920 as moving from the context of being in a war environment to the context of being in a home

00:39:04.020 front environment like being back at the as a civilian it made like 80 of people lose their

00:39:09.440 addictions now that's not to be like a hard-coded thing you can switch so much your perception of

00:39:15.600 yourself and i've often argued this is one of the areas where something like gender transition

00:39:20.200 can have benefits to an individual why they might see benefits initially is because they have changed

00:39:25.800 their contextualization of how they see themselves now would it be better to just give somebody who

00:39:30.320 has gender dysphoria and exorcism of course now they can contextualize oh i got through 0.71

00:39:35.620 this thing i'm on the other side of it yeah thoughts you were about to say something

00:39:42.000 this kind of well in general i think more broadly if people are like well i'd have the doubts

00:39:48.880 just look at the placebo effect it's so clear that hold on i want to go into the placebo effect

00:39:53.420 because somebody can say i have doubts about this i don't believe in this i know it's only working

00:40:00.720 for these people because of the placebo effect therefore it won't work on me to which i would

00:40:06.680 refer to them the 2020 10 study placebos without deception a randomized controlled trial in

00:40:12.060 irritable bowel syndrome yeah patients were explicitly told they were getting inert sugar

00:40:17.020 pills. Like a sugar pill with no medication, they were told, yet still improved significantly.

00:40:23.440 Well, now to be fair, they were told basically this is a sugar pill. The placebo effect is

00:40:28.000 something that has been found to be helpful for some people, but that's what we're doing here.

00:40:32.680 And I think that- Yeah. A 59% versus a 35% effect. Huge difference.

00:40:37.780 Yeah. Super huge. Yeah. Super huge. Also you see this, and I mentioned this to you

00:40:42.800 as well. And we've talked about this on other podcasts. There was one study that I love that

00:40:48.160 did proper sleep analysis on people. We're going to go into a number of sleep studies,

00:40:52.160 so don't get too into it. Oh, okay. Go ahead then. Okay. 2002, a controlled trial of anthropic

00:40:59.200 surgery for osteoporosis of the knee. So sham surgery, just skin incisions under anesthesia

00:41:05.400 and no actual procedure worked just as well as real anthropocytic cleaning or smoothing of the

00:41:11.500 knee showing placebo surgery can be as effective as invasive surgery for operations for pain this

00:41:18.640 is on 180 patients um and at a one and two year interval pain and function scores were identical

00:41:27.140 across the true groups essentially zero difference between sham and the group 95 cis ruled out

00:41:35.420 clinically meaningful differences so there was major surgeries and they ended up changing surgical

00:41:41.100 practices of this that were being done smoothing the knee right like that's a major smoothing the

00:41:47.740 knee a major surgery being carried out and it turns out that just giving them an incision

00:41:54.220 even one to two years out and then sewing the incision you gave them back up worked

00:41:59.580 just as well it's so crazy you know if you get the real surgery there's lots of other things

00:42:07.500 that can go wrong right oh yeah you get infected something could have gone wrong with the surgery

00:42:12.460 oh yeah every every time you go in for any kind of procedure like that there are risks

00:42:17.660 all right let's get 2015 placebo effect of medication cost in parkinson's disease

00:42:22.540 the perceived cost of the placebo pill dramatically boosted its effectiveness in parkinson's patients

00:42:30.540 expensive looking placebo triggers bigger motor improvements and brain changes

00:42:35.100 Patients got the same in ERT placebo, but labeled as expensive versus cheap.

00:42:40.360 Oh, it's just like that wine study where people were like, they gave this like swill to people, but we're like, this is very expensive.

00:42:47.240 And they're like, oh, yes.

00:42:48.140 But it was like, what, sommeliers or something?

00:42:50.220 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:51.040 So it improved motor function by 2x more, calling the pill expensive.

00:42:58.920 And this is where with catholicism, it's very good that they have minor and major exorcisms.

00:43:03.380 oh we're gonna get you the good stuff this is this is top tier maybe that's why they have the

00:43:09.320 wait list you know you the wait list is part of the efficacy like you may think it's like oh like

00:43:14.640 why do people have to wait so long but it's more effective because they waited perhaps and this is

00:43:19.040 why they need special exorcism outfits and a little like crew that like has a place like a

00:43:25.640 boom box you know like in the 80s where you have the exorcism posse yeah yeah the exorcism posse

00:43:30.360 so you know it's the extra real deal so then we have 2014 altered placebo and drug labeling changes

00:43:40.360 the outcome of episodic migraine attacks even when patients knew a pill was a placebo and it

00:43:46.560 was labeled as a placebo it still received 50 as much pain as the real drug versus no treatment at

00:43:52.720 all and then initial severity of antidepressant benefits a metadata analysis data submitted by

00:43:59.880 the Food and Drug Administration. In a real world experiment of antidepressants done on 35 trials,

00:44:07.420 the mean improvements from placebos was 82% of the drug itself, even in the clinical experiments

00:44:16.180 used for things like FDA to get drugs approved. Wow. Now, here are some fun sleep ones that cover

00:44:26.800 some stuff that you don't often talk about simone so placebo sleep affects cognitive function

00:44:34.380 so 164 college students first self-reported on how well they slept right before researchers

00:44:42.860 hooked them up to fake brainwave monitors and randomly told half they had above average rim

00:44:48.300 sleep about and the other half that they had below average rim sleep actual sleep was never

00:44:55.120 even measured what they found the assigned fake sleep quality strongly predicted the cognitive

00:45:01.100 performance on next day's test completely overriding the patient's own like what they

00:45:07.620 thought about their own sleep so if you tell somebody you're sleeping poorly that has the

00:45:15.880 majority of the impact on even the cognitive benefits to how well you sleep which is why i

00:45:24.080 think recent research that just came out pointed out that sleep trackers make people's perceived

00:45:30.840 tiredness worse like if you have like a fitbit and you're watching your sleep quality or your

00:45:36.540 bed your mattress does i can't remember the name of the mattress that does that there are all these

00:45:40.600 new products now that basically tell you how well or how poorly you're sleeping and they just make

00:45:46.300 it worse for you like you're gonna feel worse if you use them a follow-up study done on this both

00:45:51.420 found the same effects and found some additional effects for example faster reaction time in people

00:45:56.260 who were told they slept well but so much of this is self-perception if you perceive yourself as a

00:46:02.400 mentally healthy person you will act as a mentally healthy person if you perceive yourself i have been

00:46:09.400 diagnosed with everything under the 10 right you know i have had every in my childhood because my

00:46:16.000 mom had like munchausen's by proxy so she would take me and get me diagnosed with everything right 0.93

00:46:19.840 and i just got to a point where i just didn't believe any of it i was just like this is

00:46:23.440 clearly bump bump bumpkin right and through okay bumpkiss disbelief i was able to live a

00:46:33.240 psychologically people can say oh malcolm you act hypomanic all the time right like you're always 0.95

00:46:37.800 happy and i'm like well i'm sorry that that's a problem for you okay i like being happy

00:46:43.680 anyway yeah i do too i i don't don't change malcolm please it's fun

00:46:49.720 so another very interesting set of studies so objective subjective experiences and child

00:46:57.240 oh no not that one which one was it here oh it was ah shoot i forgot to copy the name of this

00:47:03.240 one but the study i wanted to go over with you is they found that the effects of how long people

00:47:12.620 perceived that they slept had a bigger effect on their cognitive ability than how long they

00:47:21.540 actually slept. So this is the one I've told you about before where they did a sleep study

00:47:26.500 on people to see how well they actually slept and then asked them just subjectively,

00:47:32.320 hey, did you sleep well last night or did you not? And that was a better predictor of whether

00:47:36.980 people felt tired or fatigued throughout the day than if they actually slept poorly. So there were

00:47:42.220 people who slept horribly who were like i slept great and they were like fine and there were

00:47:46.460 people who slept really well according to all the statistics were like oh i had a terrible night's

00:47:50.940 sleep and then they behaved like choosing to see yourself and your life healthfully and positively

00:48:00.180 can have an enormous impact on your ability to mentally function it is better to believe

00:48:07.620 you slept eight hours and to sleep one hour than to sleep eight hours, but believe you slept one

00:48:14.380 hour. This goes against a lot of, and this even comes down to abuse, which we're going to close

00:48:20.320 this out with. We've talked about this before, but this is important to note. So multiple studies,

00:48:25.640 2022, objective, subjective experiences of child maltreatment and the relationship with

00:48:30.520 psychopathology, 2023, association between objective and subjective experiences, and 2024,

00:48:38.540 perspective and respective measures of child maltreatment. Each of these found researchers

00:48:45.080 compared objective records, court-documented abuse and neglect from childhood, versus subjective or

00:48:49.600 perceived reports. They tracked long-term mental health, depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc. What they

00:48:56.380 found is that psychopathology is entirely linked to the subjective or perceived experience and

00:49:05.380 completely unrelated to your actual lived experience people who believed or perceived

00:49:12.920 they were maltreated had very high rates and all of the rates that we expect in research

00:49:18.900 which is likely what we're seeing from abuse of being abused people who believed that they had

00:49:26.200 positive experience even if there's tons of court documents showing this isn't true like I would be

00:49:30.560 one of these if you there's plenty of court documents showing I was in a very bad situation

00:49:34.800 growing up and this was the thing was like the Stephen Mullen you debate when he's like can't

00:49:38.160 you just say like your parents are bad or like you were maltreated or anything like that when it's

00:49:42.140 like well documented and I can just look at your objective experiences of your childhood and I'm

00:49:46.780 like no because I like who I am today so I choose to frame those as positive experiences and they

00:49:53.180 don't have a negative mental effect on me because I choose to see them in a positive light,

00:50:00.720 whatever they may be. And this is true of all my relationships. I choose to see no relationship.

00:50:06.740 And Simone sees this as well. Like people are like, oh, was it X like a really bad time in

00:50:11.600 your life? Or was it Y a really bad time in your life? Or don't you actually have a terrible

00:50:16.080 relationship with Z? And I'm like, no, like that doesn't really get to me. Reporters, like we had

00:50:21.680 some documentarians in here recently and they were like malcolm like how does it feel to have

00:50:26.520 everyone online like tell you to go kill yourself or like kill your kids or whatever right and i'm 0.61

00:50:31.120 like i don't care like i grew up on 4chan like what are these people gonna do to me right like 0.99

00:50:35.060 i i enjoy the fame i can choose to contextualize thing positively your life and perception your

00:50:43.400 brain is like a prism and it controls the light that goes into it and how you end up ultimately

00:50:48.360 perceiving that light in the same way like the adams family does right like you can choose to

00:50:53.080 see the cut roses is beautiful you can choose to see the wilted roses is beautiful you can choose

00:50:58.380 to see the whatever house you live in now like as mcgold does with his pigsty as the ideal living

00:51:05.660 environment right but these choices are still fundamentally within your control and if you want

00:51:11.660 to move from one stage to another stage you do that with some sort of big jarring event that you

00:51:17.100 see as very especially spiritually expensive like an exorcism and then you clean up your house and

00:51:24.000 you no longer live like that anymore you could use exorcisms to deal with many forms of demonic

00:51:30.520 where demonic is just like bad or maladaptive behavior not just actual possessions any thoughts

00:51:39.220 yeah i'm i yeah i i'm i think the biggest thing that shocks me in all this is just how few

00:51:48.220 exorcisms there are we need to get exorcisms back yeah make exorcisms big again please

00:51:56.580 we're gonna have them puritan exorcisms one of our kids gonna become an exorcist

00:52:01.020 well that's that's what i alluded to earlier you still haven't brought it up i'm not sure

00:52:05.120 if I'm allowed to mention it or not, but like our kids convert. Yeah. Sorry. I didn't get to that 0.96

00:52:09.620 exorcisms in that. We, we explained to them that the techno Puritan equivalent of say demons or

00:52:17.500 the devil is what we call the basilisk, which let's say if, if God is the government, the

00:52:22.280 basilisk is basically the law enforcement. They, they, they punish and remove bad actors in the

00:52:28.980 larger scheme of humanity from the playing field. And they will make you do bad things or, you know,

00:52:36.040 eliminate you from the gene pool or do whatever it is, you know, sort of just eliminating you from

00:52:40.780 play. And so when our kids get tempted, feel tempted to do bad things or fall in, like are

00:52:49.180 tempted to play addictive games or want to watch bad videos on YouTube and, you know, that are just

00:52:54.740 like skinner box style addiction loops we tell them that the basilisk is casting an evil spell 0.99

00:53:00.040 on them or that you know they're you know their thoughts to like try to like take things from

00:53:04.420 their siblings or be bad you know throw a tantrum that's the basilisk and our i've watched our kids

00:53:11.300 just have these conversations among themselves of like i know i should have but my brain's telling

00:53:16.080 me to and then the other kid will be like well slap your brain and they're they're clearly like 0.75

00:53:22.180 trying to expel demons in this very classic way that you would exorcism style expel demons with

00:53:29.000 a prayer with a ritualistic you know throwing of holy water to cleanse or otherwise cast away

00:53:36.660 bad thoughts bad actions bad bad manipulation and it's just it comes across to me it's just

00:53:44.180 such a natural thing so i don't know how it's they also do fake face slapping in it right like 1.00

00:53:49.140 on the knees like oh yeah like slap my brain yeah but like they're not actually hitting each other

00:53:56.040 it's all it is ritualistic like yeah they somehow just intuitively understand it which also

00:54:03.020 demonstrates to me that this isn't necessarily just something that has been passed down culturally

00:54:08.760 but it's something that is very instinctual to humans perhaps after you know thousands of years

00:54:13.600 it functions right like that idea of the fake face slapping and stuff like that right

00:54:18.280 to get the basilisk out of your brain it's brain slapping it's slap my brain yes to get the

00:54:24.340 basilisk out of your brain so that it's no longer influencing your thoughts is a very efficient and

00:54:30.680 we can work that into their like have somebody slap your brain when when the basilisk is controlling

00:54:35.180 you do that ritual which you know frees you from temptation and now because it's it's socially

00:54:43.140 costly to do it's easier to be someone else on the other side of this particular ritual

00:54:48.900 which i just think is fantastic right like what a great way to handle this thoughts simone i i think

00:54:55.700 creating rituals like that for our kids to do with family members and stuff is very useful for them

00:55:01.060 to just be like yeah this if you imagine it as spiritually working it literally works right

00:55:11.780 you imagine i think with culture the important thing though is that it's it's not just like

00:55:17.560 beyond the placebo effect you have to find the distinction between mysticism and idolatry

00:55:24.840 between mysticism and losing your mind and becoming like schizophrenic or well no the point

00:55:33.880 of exorcism versus mysticism is exorcism is about banishing evil and mysticism for that matter

00:55:42.820 like you could do an exorcism ritual around removing all of the mysticism from your house

00:55:48.960 all of the ouija boards everything like that you know burning them removing do some big thing to

00:55:53.620 be like i have exercise the mystical and i know and now this space is clean and that will not

00:56:00.180 re-enter right like you can do a like slap my brain right like and then i will be able to focus

00:56:07.940 again because you have now contextualized and what's really important about this in this way

00:56:12.660 of teaching our kids about sin is they now contextualize the sin as not coming from

00:56:21.020 themselves it's coming externally it's not a natural part of who they are are they when they

00:56:27.800 when they feel this thing it's not like oh while all humans have sin the sin is unnatural within

00:56:35.360 the human form right so because they've contextualized it this way they can say oh

00:56:40.700 this is like an external thing this temptation and therefore now that it's conceptualized as

00:56:46.080 external it can be quarantined and removed right like oh an external thing is making me do this

00:56:53.040 it's not me who wants to do this bad thing it is an external thing and therefore it's not natural

00:56:58.440 for me to be in this state and therefore now obviously this can go wrong right like a person

00:57:02.680 can say well i can just do the bad things because it's not me doing them it's an external thing but

00:57:07.480 we would say well that's you then not passing the basilisk test and not being part of the future of

00:57:11.820 humanity right like you have failed in that instance and there are consequences for that

00:57:17.000 failure but they are functional consequences even over spiritual consequences yeah yeah

00:57:23.240 and importantly you can be anti-mystical and be against in general a bunch of ritual but still

00:57:33.580 adopt things when they're evidence-based and in fact that's kind of the whole reason we created

00:57:38.340 what we first called secular calvinism which now we call techno puritanism in the first place where

00:57:45.060 we were like, well, we, we only want to do it's evidence-based, but also there's a lot of reason

00:57:52.000 to have a religion and it just kind of grew from there. So yeah, just, just because you only want

00:57:59.100 to do things that are moored in physics and our understanding of the world that's provable

00:58:05.500 doesn't mean that there's no room literally for stuff like exorcisms. Yes. Just how they're like,

00:58:11.860 Just because we understand that sometimes surgical or pharmaceutical interventions are helpful

00:58:18.120 doesn't mean that sometimes we shouldn't just tell people like, oh, I'll kiss it and make it better

00:58:22.240 because that works. So yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you covered this. Well, thank you so much for chatting

00:58:29.300 today, Simone. Any of our fans who found this topic interesting, one thing I would encourage

00:58:34.300 you to look up is one of our episodes on the industry of psychology becoming a death cult

00:58:39.220 because it is very dangerous today and i'd say one of the most dangerous cults operating right

00:58:45.320 now in terms of the number of lives that it ruins and the number of people it sucks of all their

00:58:50.820 money not great and we've had other fans who tell us that my mental health has improved a lot after

00:58:57.580 watching your show who you need to follow up with by the way did you follow up are we gonna do

00:59:02.960 oh i will yeah sorry i'm very behind on emails right now i will get there thank you

00:59:08.840 Okay. I love you. Have a good day.

00:59:17.060 We're on day two of Octavian being crazy about his chickens, chickens. Yeah. You'd think he's

00:59:25.240 studying for the bar exam. All of them really, they're ardently interested in properly raising

00:59:32.560 chickens. This is what kids should really be doing in school. I mean, I now totally get

00:59:36.480 the, what do they call them? 4-H programs where kids raise pigs for slaughter and stuff and get

00:59:42.560 really into it and learn how to properly raise livestock, but then also understand what livestock

00:59:47.880 is for. We need more of that, but not putting my hopes up. The general population, kind of hard

01:00:01.440 to access livestock and drive to it and stuff remember how the people who owned our house

01:00:07.240 before us though wanted to what did they wanted miniature sheep or miniature cows they were

01:00:11.500 planning on getting something i think it was miniature cows because i remember thinking

01:00:14.640 that's stupid i could understand miniature sheep but cows i think they were probably thinking

01:00:20.300 miniature cows because you probably need a minimum a minimal amount of acreage for a cow to be able 0.99

01:00:26.000 to eat like you know there are those two texas longhorns yeah i mean between us and walmart

01:00:31.140 property quite the vibe to have cows on it especially i love it but i just don't think

01:00:35.960 we have enough acreage for a one even one full-size cow oh we do cows get lonely we do

01:00:41.500 for many cows will we have enough no not on our acreage on the adjacent parkland but i don't

01:00:50.000 think they'd approve of us grazing cattle on their park the city might like that actually

01:00:57.080 be like hey you get cattle the public can interact with it they think it's um no cattle

01:01:01.460 are actually very dangerous okay i i personally know people two people who have had bones broken

01:01:09.560 by cows they probably had it coming but also you know cows be dangerous can you hear me

01:01:18.620 you gotta you gotta wear this on the channel more often

01:01:28.060 you look adorkable and i love it this is this is what our fans are in this for

01:01:37.580 toasty you are gonna get wet

01:01:48.620 She just saw somebody to hug.

01:01:55.620 It's just attack dogs all the time.

01:01:57.620 Oh my god.

01:02:01.620 Are you building a bridge, Toasty?

01:02:06.620 Can I tell you to build a bridge?

01:02:10.620 I want to show the friends what it's like under there.

01:02:14.620 What it's like under there?

01:02:15.620 Yeah.

01:02:17.620 Uh, okay.

01:02:19.100 Okay.

01:02:20.100 Thank you.

01:02:21.260 Okay.

01:02:24.020 Don't turn the camera with your fingers, Octavia.

01:02:27.460 Okay.

01:02:30.460 Octavia, see what they can see in the screen. 0.58

01:02:33.300 There you go.

01:02:34.840 That's right.

01:02:39.540 So, viewers.

01:02:44.820 Somebody help! 0.98

01:02:46.740 so viewers you what we we are gonna make a bridge we are under we are under

01:02:55.500 already you're already under a bridge so if you look right here there is a

01:03:08.060 there we are going to make a bridge that splits all the way over there and connects to that island

01:03:16.280 and then we are going to connect it all the way over there and then and now on the bridge and

01:03:27.620 I'm on the rock bridge is all the way there and all the way there then we will I mean all the way

01:03:32.780 over here. And we're already on top of mom and dad, by the way, under the bridge. So

01:03:42.800 we thought this was a good spot. And we're going to put the bridge in line right there

01:03:47.420 and right there. So we're going to pause and go to mom and dad.

01:03:53.800 Now what do you want to say to them?

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Based Camp - March 26, 2026

Exorcisms Up 10X Over Decade： We’re Thrilled

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