Based Camp - October 02, 2024

Fapping Good Actually： Read the Bible + Research

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572

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In this episode, we take a deep dive into pornography, biblical views on sex, and why we should teach our kids no cultural restrictions at all around masturbation. We're joined by Simone of to talk about pornography, sex education, and sex education in general.

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00:00:00.000 Why are all of these cultures like breaking apart?

00:00:02.460 It's because they have equated premarital sexual intercourse

00:00:07.540 as exactly the same moral negative weight as masturbation.

00:00:12.840 And that's really effing stupid.

00:00:16.640 It made a lot of sense before porn existed

00:00:20.380 because if you look at the lines

00:00:21.780 and we'll get to in the Bible about this,

00:00:23.280 they don't talk about masturbation,

00:00:24.640 they talk about prostitutes.

00:00:26.080 Seeing a prostitute actually is just as bad

00:00:29.960 or worse than premarital sex.

00:00:31.940 You know, from a disease risk perspective,

00:00:33.940 from a pregnancy risk perspective,

00:00:35.560 there is a reason that historically you needed

00:00:38.380 to warn against all of this stuff, right?

00:00:40.800 But in a modern context, when you put restrictions on porn,

00:00:45.200 you increase the rate of sex crimes.

00:00:47.480 I'm just saying what works on planet Galgamech

00:00:49.820 isn't necessarily going to work

00:00:51.240 for the rest of us here on earth.

00:00:53.100 You see, that's the problem we're having here.

00:00:55.660 For every 10% of increase in internet access in the U.S.,

00:00:59.340 there is a corresponding regional decrease

00:01:01.220 of 7.3% of grape cases.

00:01:03.700 The internet is porn porn.

00:01:06.060 What are you doing?

00:01:07.180 The internet is porn porn.

00:01:08.760 That's gross.

00:01:09.780 Why do you think the net was porn porn porn porn porn?

00:01:14.900 UCLA researchers found that sex criminals, on average,

00:01:18.400 consume less porn than the average person

00:01:21.080 and started consuming it at a later age

00:01:23.880 than the average non-sex criminal.

00:01:25.660 Within the Czech Republic, where porn was illegal,

00:01:28.740 then legalized, this decriminalization of pornography

00:01:31.640 caused in one year, grapes to decline by 37%

00:01:37.000 and child sexual abuse by about 50%.

00:01:42.820 Similar results were seen when the porn laws

00:01:45.840 were loosened in Denmark, Japan, China, and Hong Kong.

00:01:50.900 Anyone who is pro-pornography restrictions

00:01:55.320 is functionally also pro-child grape.

00:01:59.440 The Bible says it's best buy their fruits, you will know them.

00:02:03.140 How do you know the correct interpretation?

00:02:05.420 It works.

00:02:06.780 If it leads to mass child grape and cover-ups,

00:02:09.920 it's not the correct interpretation.

00:02:12.320 The Bible tells us that.

00:02:13.960 Easy peasy.

00:02:14.980 Right, guys?

00:02:15.560 I'm just trying to say that if we don't change,

00:02:21.540 then we might lose everyone to atheism.

00:02:24.080 What exactly do you suggest we change?

00:02:26.040 Well, for one, no sex with boys.

00:02:30.640 The holy document of law states that a priest cannot get married.

00:02:34.140 So where are we to get our sex?

00:02:36.160 Would you like to know more?

00:02:37.840 Hello, Simone.

00:02:38.940 Today we are going to have a fantastic episode.

00:02:41.060 We are going to go deep into research around sexuality,

00:02:44.520 into statistics around sexuality,

00:02:47.660 into biblical theology.

00:02:50.040 We're going to go into a bunch of lines from the Bible.

00:02:52.580 We're going to go into the philosophy of sexuality.

00:02:55.980 And we are going to be coming up with a model

00:02:59.580 for the way we will teach our kids to engage with their sexuality

00:03:05.740 because I think one of the biggest back doors,

00:03:10.160 you know, when a person comes to me in a traditional religion

00:03:12.340 and when they say, you know, when they hear me say,

00:03:15.340 oh, you need to evolve this tradition

00:03:16.940 or you are going to get creamed by the urban monoculture.

00:03:19.920 Like, well, what do you mean by that?

00:03:21.720 One of the number one things I am going to elevate

00:03:25.580 is the way that their religion relates to sexuality.

00:03:29.580 Sexual rules that evolved in a time period

00:03:34.900 before basically free internet pornography was everywhere,

00:03:40.100 before contraception, when STDs were running rampant,

00:03:45.360 when you had to worry about getting random people pregnant

00:03:47.720 like at a high level,

00:03:49.460 is going to create a very different optimal rule system

00:03:53.340 than a modern system.

00:03:55.260 And people might be like, well, why not just be stricter?

00:03:57.520 It's like, well, because that causes really bad externalities

00:04:00.800 within a modern culture,

00:04:01.700 but also leaves often a back door in a child's brain

00:04:05.740 where you have not built a framework

00:04:07.720 for how a part of the world works,

00:04:09.400 that the urban monoculture can basically install

00:04:12.700 a self-replicating memetic framework

00:04:15.100 that can eventually eat their entire mind.

00:04:17.960 And that's what all the gender ideology stuff is.

00:04:20.180 But first I want to talk about how these old rules

00:04:25.300 around sexuality keep going wonky in a modern context.

00:04:30.940 And why, as we're going to be arguing here,

00:04:35.040 I would argue that there should be,

00:04:39.040 and I will teach my kids,

00:04:41.100 no cultural restrictions at all

00:04:44.080 around masturbation for pleasure

00:04:46.580 if it is to any image or video

00:04:50.780 that doesn't use a real human,

00:04:53.320 i.e. anything that's AI generated or drawn

00:04:55.840 or anything like that.

00:04:56.800 And we'll get to why,

00:04:58.660 if you make this set of restrictions,

00:05:00.220 it actually solves most of the problems

00:05:02.760 the old restrictions solve

00:05:04.040 while also protecting against a bunch of the new problems.

00:05:07.600 So, problem number one that you see

00:05:11.100 is the Mormon swinger phenomenon.

00:05:14.280 Have you been following these scandals, Simone?

00:05:16.600 Of course I have.

00:05:18.160 In short, a reality TV show,

00:05:20.020 I think on Hulu, right,

00:05:21.600 came out detailing moms of TikTok,

00:05:24.440 a TikTok group of Mormon mothers

00:05:26.640 who also just happened to turn out to be swingers.

00:05:30.300 The point is that this has become common

00:05:32.980 within part of Mormon culture.

00:05:34.740 And specifically what they do

00:05:36.200 is it's not considered cheating

00:05:38.000 if the husband or wife

00:05:40.000 is in the room watching you,

00:05:41.520 which is actually really weird to me

00:05:43.860 because that would cause a really,

00:05:45.820 like, there was a Sneeko drama

00:05:47.640 where, like, he was in an open relationship

00:05:49.480 and then he talked about

00:05:50.620 watching his girlfriend sleep with another guy

00:05:53.180 and people were like,

00:05:54.580 um, that's being cucked.

00:05:57.140 And he's like, no,

00:05:57.920 I'm in an open relationship.

00:05:59.020 And they go, yeah,

00:06:00.580 like, open relationships are normal.

00:06:02.760 Watching is not.

00:06:04.300 And the reason that other guys would say this,

00:06:07.960 and it appears that just Sneeko

00:06:09.040 either didn't have this part of his arousal pathway

00:06:11.520 or had this part of his arousal pathway inverted,

00:06:14.040 is a normal male,

00:06:15.000 for obvious evolutionary reasons,

00:06:16.440 is going to get a very strong disgust reaction

00:06:18.700 from watching a partner of his

00:06:21.460 sleeping with another male.

00:06:22.620 That would have been

00:06:23.160 very evolutionarily disadvantageous.

00:06:25.480 Now, for women,

00:06:26.520 it's going to be different

00:06:27.320 because women might have existed

00:06:28.500 in a harem environment

00:06:29.480 or something like that.

00:06:30.440 But for men,

00:06:31.520 this is one of the loudest disgust motivators

00:06:34.400 a normal man can feel.

00:06:36.540 And so I would have to guess

00:06:38.180 that these men might also have had

00:06:40.780 this sort of silenced or muted in them

00:06:43.780 as an arousal pathway.

00:06:45.420 If I was going to guess

00:06:46.900 why this would be uniquely common

00:06:48.760 among Mormons

00:06:49.560 to have the cucking arousal pathway silenced,

00:06:52.540 it might be a holdover

00:06:54.140 from their sister-wife ancestors

00:06:55.920 where the wives who are okay

00:06:58.180 with watching other wives having sex

00:07:01.040 or who got into that

00:07:02.620 might have passed that down

00:07:04.280 to some of their male offspring as well,

00:07:06.320 leading to higher rates

00:07:07.840 of arousal from cuckoldry

00:07:10.100 was in the Mormon community.

00:07:11.660 Do you understand the logic behind that, Simone?

00:07:13.680 Or do I need to explain it differently?

00:07:15.800 You're giving a face

00:07:16.740 like you didn't understand.

00:07:18.440 Oh, I'm just thinking about it.

00:07:19.600 I mean, in most of the sister-wife

00:07:22.600 arrangements I'm aware of,

00:07:26.880 it's the sex part

00:07:29.320 is not at all shared or communal.

00:07:32.120 What would they tell you?

00:07:33.660 Okay.

00:07:35.460 No, they obviously wouldn't tell you.

00:07:37.600 Like, I don't even know

00:07:38.400 what you're on about.

00:07:39.420 Like, you think that the sister wives

00:07:41.320 who are trying to show how,

00:07:43.480 and keep in mind,

00:07:44.280 the Mormons who still do this

00:07:45.520 are the most religious

00:07:46.720 of the most religious Mormons.

00:07:48.520 Like, you think that they

00:07:49.920 are really going to tell you,

00:07:51.860 like, the things that are hot

00:07:53.720 about the relationship for them?

00:07:55.520 Come on.

00:07:56.800 Like, clue in here, Simone.

00:07:59.360 But anyway, two,

00:08:01.080 I want to be clear here,

00:08:02.020 this is not a Mormon-specific problem.

00:08:04.960 Okay?

00:08:05.460 On the Discord,

00:08:06.140 we did a Catholic episode recently,

00:08:07.520 and the first thing

00:08:08.720 everyone was jumping on

00:08:09.720 was like, oh,

00:08:10.420 all those Catholic girls,

00:08:12.000 you know, acting like

00:08:12.920 the butt stuff

00:08:14.200 and the oral

00:08:15.700 isn't going to count

00:08:16.720 when they get to heaven

00:08:17.640 as premarital sexual intercourse.

00:08:20.700 What's going on?

00:08:21.860 I don't know.

00:08:23.420 But do you think

00:08:23.800 if I told Tom

00:08:24.480 I had an incendiary device

00:08:25.660 to my niggers,

00:08:26.500 I'd have a look?

00:08:27.460 Some of them are right.

00:08:29.060 I'm willing to admit it.

00:08:29.980 Because this is common

00:08:30.820 among Catholic girls.

00:08:31.720 Like, I have slept with girls

00:08:32.960 in this category myself.

00:08:35.020 There is a common thing

00:08:36.180 where it's like,

00:08:36.680 well, oral doesn't really count.

00:08:38.940 And I really like the joke

00:08:40.060 that one of them told us.

00:08:40.840 Like, you get to heaven

00:08:41.580 and God's like,

00:08:43.600 I'm sorry,

00:08:44.720 premarital sex,

00:08:46.040 you know?

00:08:46.440 And then the girl's like,

00:08:48.500 wait, play that video back again.

00:08:50.700 Stop.

00:08:51.360 Zoom in.

00:08:52.400 See?

00:08:52.820 It was anal.

00:08:53.940 And then God's like,

00:08:54.980 ah, two heavens for you.

00:08:56.660 There's like these loopholes.

00:08:58.220 What in God's name

00:08:59.420 are you wearing?

00:09:00.280 I'm putting together

00:09:00.960 my costume

00:09:01.460 for the Halloween dance.

00:09:02.780 You're going as a stripper?

00:09:05.420 No.

00:09:06.440 I am a Catholic schoolgirl.

00:09:07.680 Thank God.

00:09:12.180 Whatever you do,

00:09:13.700 don't slag off the poop.

00:09:16.040 We're outnumbered.

00:09:17.560 Or, and again,

00:09:18.460 it's not just,

00:09:19.380 the Amish grape epidemic

00:09:21.180 is really bad

00:09:22.260 in the Amish community.

00:09:23.680 Oh, yeah.

00:09:24.360 Because they're really strict rules.

00:09:25.780 Or, you know,

00:09:26.520 in the modern

00:09:27.260 ultra-Orthodox Jewish community,

00:09:28.760 people are breaking

00:09:29.420 the Shoma Naga.

00:09:31.140 I'm pronouncing it.

00:09:32.220 I'm butchering it.

00:09:32.720 I can't speak other languages.

00:09:33.980 Which are their rules

00:09:34.780 against like hand-holding

00:09:35.720 and touching.

00:09:36.520 Apparently,

00:09:36.780 it's really common,

00:09:37.940 but they're supposed to be

00:09:38.660 very, very strictly held.

00:09:40.740 And it's caused by,

00:09:42.540 like,

00:09:42.740 what leads to all of these rules

00:09:44.440 being so feckless?

00:09:45.560 Oh,

00:09:45.720 are other Mormon stuff

00:09:46.740 like soaking,

00:09:48.020 where they just

00:09:48.820 leave themselves

00:09:49.760 inside the girl?

00:09:50.600 Or what's the other one

00:09:51.120 where they like

00:09:51.560 bounce on the bed?

00:09:52.740 No, no,

00:09:53.080 that is soaking.

00:09:54.360 Where technically

00:09:56.240 because the male

00:09:58.780 and female partner

00:09:59.860 are not

00:10:01.180 leading the mechanical effort

00:10:04.020 of thrusting

00:10:05.160 for PIV sex

00:10:06.380 and instead

00:10:06.940 there is just

00:10:08.060 placement

00:10:09.140 with a

00:10:10.220 very awkward friend

00:10:12.060 theoretically

00:10:12.600 jumping on the bed

00:10:13.840 to assist

00:10:15.220 that that would work out.

00:10:17.060 I still think...

00:10:17.980 High degrees

00:10:18.380 of

00:10:19.620 cuckoldering

00:10:21.260 in the Mormon community.

00:10:21.940 Right.

00:10:22.720 That just seems

00:10:23.660 so apocryphal to me.

00:10:25.280 It seems like

00:10:25.920 a joke

00:10:26.700 that somebody made up

00:10:27.800 and it's really caught on

00:10:29.160 because it's just

00:10:29.980 such a funny concept.

00:10:31.000 No,

00:10:32.280 I think a lot

00:10:33.080 of this stuff

00:10:33.560 like the oral

00:10:34.380 and stuff like that,

00:10:35.420 this is actually

00:10:36.160 very common.

00:10:36.600 No,

00:10:36.720 the oral,

00:10:37.200 the oral I know

00:10:38.300 is super

00:10:40.060 like common

00:10:41.380 where it's like,

00:10:42.240 well,

00:10:42.420 yeah,

00:10:42.600 we don't have

00:10:43.160 sex,

00:10:43.940 but we,

00:10:44.620 you know,

00:10:45.620 oral doesn't count.

00:10:47.200 That I know

00:10:47.680 for a fact is fine.

00:10:49.800 Well,

00:10:50.120 I don't,

00:10:50.520 I haven't,

00:10:51.380 I think

00:10:51.700 anal is different.

00:10:54.020 I think anal is different,

00:10:56.120 but I know

00:10:56.880 that oral

00:10:57.540 is a workaround

00:10:58.860 that is definitely

00:11:00.120 We're going to talk about

00:11:00.660 why this happens.

00:11:01.960 Why are all of these cultures

00:11:03.140 like breaking apart here?

00:11:04.700 It's because

00:11:05.660 they have equated

00:11:07.300 premarital sexual intercourse

00:11:09.760 for pleasure

00:11:10.500 as exactly the same

00:11:12.480 moral negative weight

00:11:13.860 as masturbation.

00:11:15.860 And that's

00:11:17.420 really

00:11:18.080 effing

00:11:18.880 stupid.

00:11:20.040 It made a lot of sense

00:11:21.800 before porn existed

00:11:23.520 because if you look

00:11:24.660 at the lines

00:11:25.260 and we'll get to

00:11:25.840 in the Bible

00:11:26.300 about this,

00:11:26.840 they don't talk

00:11:27.420 about masturbation.

00:11:28.220 They talk about

00:11:28.840 prostitutes.

00:11:30.300 Seeing a prostitute

00:11:31.580 actually is

00:11:32.940 just as bad

00:11:34.180 or worse

00:11:34.900 than premarital sex.

00:11:36.820 You know,

00:11:37.500 from a disease

00:11:38.300 risk perspective,

00:11:39.220 from a pregnancy

00:11:39.860 risk perspective,

00:11:40.840 from a,

00:11:41.540 you know,

00:11:41.720 there is a reason

00:11:42.780 that historically

00:11:43.840 you needed to

00:11:44.760 warn against

00:11:45.440 all of this stuff,

00:11:46.260 right?

00:11:46.920 But

00:11:47.360 in a modern context,

00:11:49.880 if I'm like

00:11:50.360 in absolute terms,

00:11:52.420 if it is

00:11:53.380 a kid

00:11:53.940 who is not

00:11:54.900 allowed to

00:11:55.440 masturbate,

00:11:56.320 much more likely

00:11:57.840 to engage

00:11:58.940 in certain types

00:12:00.140 of premarital sex

00:12:01.100 or engage

00:12:02.520 in when they're

00:12:03.500 married

00:12:04.020 certain types

00:12:05.080 of sexual

00:12:05.600 exploration

00:12:06.260 that otherwise

00:12:07.340 they would just

00:12:07.960 feel no desire

00:12:08.800 to do,

00:12:09.820 absolutely.

00:12:11.720 It is a huge

00:12:12.760 moral failing

00:12:13.760 of the way

00:12:14.400 the rule set

00:12:15.180 is working now.

00:12:16.760 And then there's

00:12:17.500 the secondary problem,

00:12:19.060 which is outright

00:12:20.120 bans on

00:12:20.960 masturbation

00:12:21.680 have a lot

00:12:22.680 of problems.

00:12:24.500 Specifically,

00:12:26.020 if you tell

00:12:26.960 somebody

00:12:27.500 don't think

00:12:28.960 about X,

00:12:30.380 it causes

00:12:31.060 people

00:12:31.560 to think

00:12:32.440 about X.

00:12:33.680 There have been

00:12:34.080 a,

00:12:34.300 this has been

00:12:34.660 studied like

00:12:35.160 extremely well.

00:12:36.740 So there is

00:12:37.380 the book

00:12:38.660 on this,

00:12:39.040 if you want

00:12:39.300 to read it,

00:12:39.680 that's pretty good

00:12:40.380 called Overcoming

00:12:41.140 Unwanted

00:12:41.720 Intrusive Thoughts,

00:12:42.940 a CBT-based

00:12:43.780 guide to getting

00:12:44.720 over frightening,

00:12:45.520 obsessive,

00:12:46.000 or disturbing

00:12:46.460 things.

00:12:47.020 There is also

00:12:48.000 the white bear

00:12:48.820 experiments

00:12:49.360 conducted by

00:12:49.940 Daniel Weger

00:12:50.620 in the 1980s.

00:12:52.040 And these studies

00:12:52.720 asked participants

00:12:53.600 to avoid

00:12:54.720 thinking about

00:12:55.260 a white bear

00:12:55.980 for five minutes.

00:12:57.240 And they were

00:12:57.660 very,

00:12:58.120 very bad at it.

00:12:59.200 Specifically,

00:13:00.040 when you ask

00:13:00.640 somebody to not

00:13:01.400 think about

00:13:01.840 something,

00:13:02.640 you are causing

00:13:03.360 them to engage

00:13:04.120 in a form

00:13:04.740 of suppression

00:13:07.060 or psychological

00:13:07.740 suppression,

00:13:08.500 which requires

00:13:09.420 cognitive resources

00:13:10.660 and makes them

00:13:11.840 bad at basically

00:13:13.320 thinking about

00:13:14.000 everything else.

00:13:15.340 And the problem

00:13:15.980 is that some

00:13:16.400 people will be

00:13:16.900 like,

00:13:17.260 oh,

00:13:17.840 but recent

00:13:18.980 research has

00:13:19.620 shown that

00:13:20.060 this doesn't

00:13:20.580 work around

00:13:21.100 things you're

00:13:21.640 afraid of.

00:13:22.900 Okay?

00:13:23.320 Yeah,

00:13:23.640 it doesn't have

00:13:24.540 the same effect

00:13:25.040 if you're trying

00:13:25.380 to get rid

00:13:25.660 of like PTSD

00:13:26.340 stuff or things

00:13:27.300 you're afraid of,

00:13:28.040 but it does

00:13:29.560 still hold

00:13:30.680 with sexual

00:13:31.480 things.

00:13:32.160 So here,

00:13:32.600 I'm going to

00:13:32.820 read a few

00:13:33.180 other studies.

00:13:34.200 The rebound

00:13:34.760 effect of

00:13:35.820 thought suppression

00:13:36.520 to,

00:13:37.160 this is,

00:13:37.480 I'm quoting

00:13:38.040 from a study

00:13:39.200 and this study

00:13:40.680 is called,

00:13:41.700 God,

00:13:42.060 I can't stop

00:13:42.660 thinking about

00:13:43.140 sex.

00:13:43.560 The rebound

00:13:44.160 effect in

00:13:44.900 unsuccessful

00:13:45.360 suppression of

00:13:46.120 sexual thoughts

00:13:46.640 among religious

00:13:47.260 adolescents.

00:13:48.520 I love when

00:13:49.540 people who do

00:13:50.620 peer-reviewed

00:13:51.860 research do

00:13:53.420 good titles.

00:13:54.420 It's just a

00:13:55.580 thing of beauty.

00:13:56.720 So the rebound

00:13:57.280 effect of thought

00:13:57.920 suppression refers

00:13:58.700 to attempts to

00:13:59.420 suppress thoughts

00:13:59.980 that result in an

00:14:01.500 increase in those

00:14:02.840 thoughts.

00:14:03.320 So in the thoughts

00:14:03.980 that were trying

00:14:04.320 to be suppressed.

00:14:04.840 The aim of this

00:14:05.940 three-study

00:14:07.120 research was to

00:14:08.180 investigate the

00:14:09.380 suppression of

00:14:10.040 thoughts and its

00:14:10.800 possible importance

00:14:11.680 to cognitive

00:14:12.360 model of

00:14:13.220 predicted compulsive

00:14:14.180 sexual behavior,

00:14:15.460 CSB, among

00:14:16.560 Israeli, Jewish,

00:14:17.500 religious, and

00:14:18.220 secular adolescents.

00:14:19.680 The analysis

00:14:20.740 indicates that

00:14:21.660 religious adolescents

00:14:22.580 are higher in

00:14:23.960 CSB than

00:14:24.740 secular ones,

00:14:25.520 and that

00:14:26.400 religious suppression

00:14:27.200 and CSB

00:14:28.700 mediate the link

00:14:30.000 between religiosity

00:14:31.040 and well-being.

00:14:31.800 So they actually

00:14:32.940 lower the well-being

00:14:34.060 of these students

00:14:35.060 and lower some

00:14:36.400 of the positive

00:14:36.880 effects of

00:14:37.540 religiosity that

00:14:38.360 these students

00:14:38.740 would otherwise

00:14:39.160 be experiencing.

00:14:40.360 And then a

00:14:40.760 2019 study

00:14:42.100 reported in the

00:14:43.760 Journal of Sex

00:14:44.360 Research found

00:14:45.460 the attempts to

00:14:46.320 suppress sexual

00:14:47.100 thoughts can result

00:14:48.380 in an increase

00:14:49.260 in those thoughts.

00:14:50.300 This is called

00:14:50.720 the rebound effect.

00:14:52.080 So here I'm

00:14:53.400 going to quote

00:14:54.260 from our book

00:14:54.760 The Pragmatist

00:14:55.320 Guide to Sexuality

00:14:56.060 because we also

00:14:56.720 go into this

00:14:57.580 phenomenon a bit.

00:14:58.540 Some claim that

00:14:59.460 all arousal

00:15:00.440 patterns not tied

00:15:01.540 to penis and

00:15:02.260 vagina sex

00:15:02.940 between a married

00:15:03.800 couple arise

00:15:04.620 when a society

00:15:05.400 loses God.

00:15:07.140 There is an

00:15:07.620 element of truth

00:15:08.240 to this.

00:15:08.620 When surveyed,

00:15:09.220 religious individuals

00:15:09.940 claim to consume

00:15:10.700 porn at lower

00:15:11.320 rates than

00:15:11.900 non-religious

00:15:12.400 individuals,

00:15:13.400 though claim

00:15:14.020 porn consumption

00:15:14.820 by religious

00:15:15.500 individuals has

00:15:16.100 been increasing

00:15:16.500 rapidly since

00:15:17.220 1995.

00:15:18.460 This is as far

00:15:19.780 as that element

00:15:20.400 of truth extends,

00:15:21.520 as all other

00:15:22.460 data indicates

00:15:23.240 that these

00:15:23.840 individuals are

00:15:24.420 lying.

00:15:25.100 In fact,

00:15:25.600 when Harvard

00:15:25.960 educated Microsoft

00:15:26.800 economist

00:15:27.260 Benjamin

00:15:27.720 Edelman

00:15:28.680 investigated

00:15:29.600 porn site

00:15:30.240 subscriptions

00:15:30.660 and Google

00:15:31.180 searches for

00:15:32.120 porn on a

00:15:32.980 regional basis

00:15:33.540 in 2009,

00:15:34.800 he found that

00:15:35.360 the more

00:15:35.860 religious regions

00:15:36.900 consume porn

00:15:37.640 more than the

00:15:38.280 less religious

00:15:38.760 regions,

00:15:39.500 with the highest

00:15:40.060 rates of all

00:15:40.640 being in Utah.

00:15:41.880 Specifically,

00:15:42.660 Edelman found

00:15:43.220 that subscriptions

00:15:43.800 to porn-based

00:15:44.480 sites and online

00:15:45.200 searches for

00:15:45.720 sexual content

00:15:46.480 were higher in

00:15:47.900 states that had

00:15:48.420 enacted laws to

00:15:49.400 defend marriage,

00:15:50.440 and in which

00:15:51.200 statements like,

00:15:52.160 quote,

00:15:52.720 I never doubt

00:15:53.420 the existence of

00:15:54.060 God,

00:15:54.340 end quote,

00:15:54.940 quote,

00:15:55.560 even today miracles

00:15:56.460 are performed by

00:15:57.100 the power of God,

00:15:57.720 end quote,

00:15:58.460 quote,

00:15:58.900 I have old-fashioned

00:15:59.820 values about

00:16:00.360 family and marriage,

00:16:01.080 end quote,

00:16:01.560 end quote,

00:16:02.660 AIDS might be

00:16:03.940 God's punishment

00:16:04.700 for immoral sexual

00:16:05.600 behavior,

00:16:06.120 end quote,

00:16:06.500 were more prevalent.

00:16:07.540 This finding isn't

00:16:08.540 limited to this one

00:16:09.420 study,

00:16:09.720 a 2015 study,

00:16:11.280 Canadian researcher

00:16:12.400 Kara McGinnis and

00:16:13.520 Gordon Huddleston

00:16:14.220 found that states

00:16:15.800 was a higher

00:16:16.560 percentage of

00:16:17.160 individuals who

00:16:18.120 self-identify as

00:16:19.060 very religious and

00:16:19.820 consider religion to

00:16:21.060 be important to

00:16:22.240 their daily lives,

00:16:23.340 have higher rates of

00:16:24.220 searches for sexual

00:16:25.000 content on Google.

00:16:26.280 Studies have shown

00:16:27.040 that people who

00:16:27.980 experience early

00:16:28.880 life stressors and

00:16:30.580 high religiosity may

00:16:31.980 be more likely to

00:16:33.000 exhibit sexually

00:16:33.660 compulsive behaviors.

00:16:34.880 One study found

00:16:35.620 that,

00:16:36.000 quote,

00:16:36.540 states with more

00:16:37.280 evangelical Protestant

00:16:38.300 theists who

00:16:39.320 profess beliefs in

00:16:40.480 God or higher

00:16:41.000 powers and biblical

00:16:42.340 literalists,

00:16:43.900 those who report

00:16:44.840 that they interpret

00:16:45.480 the Bible as the

00:16:46.280 literal word of God

00:16:47.080 are significantly

00:16:47.880 more likely to

00:16:48.840 have higher aggregate

00:16:49.820 results of online

00:16:50.980 searches for

00:16:52.420 pornography.

00:16:53.480 States where people

00:16:54.160 attended religious

00:16:54.860 services more

00:16:55.700 frequently were also

00:16:56.640 significantly more

00:16:57.400 likely to have

00:16:57.880 higher rates of

00:16:58.440 searches for

00:16:58.880 online porn.

00:16:59.960 Finally,

00:17:00.760 we find that states

00:17:01.820 with higher

00:17:02.200 percentages of

00:17:03.080 residents unaffiliated

00:17:04.240 with any religious

00:17:05.080 group have

00:17:05.720 significantly lower

00:17:06.620 levels of searching

00:17:07.360 for porn.

00:17:08.240 These findings are

00:17:09.200 interesting because

00:17:10.180 at an individual

00:17:10.720 level,

00:17:11.160 people who affiliate

00:17:12.300 with evangelical

00:17:13.000 Protestant groups

00:17:13.820 attend church,

00:17:15.100 read the Bible

00:17:15.520 literally,

00:17:16.060 or believe in God

00:17:17.020 generally report

00:17:17.840 much lower levels

00:17:19.280 of pornography

00:17:19.820 consumption,

00:17:20.540 end quote.

00:17:21.200 This quote is from

00:17:21.920 an interview with

00:17:22.800 Andrew L. Whitehead

00:17:24.160 of Clemson University

00:17:25.500 in SciPost.

00:17:26.640 And we also just

00:17:28.260 see this generally

00:17:28.900 in the data.

00:17:29.840 Once during a

00:17:31.700 broadcast of Good

00:17:33.060 Friday Mass from

00:17:34.020 the Vatican,

00:17:34.660 and this was at

00:17:35.260 2 a.m.,

00:17:36.300 the Girls Gone

00:17:37.520 Wild ad accidentally

00:17:38.740 aired, and they

00:17:39.900 received record sales.

00:17:41.060 Wait, accidentally.

00:17:43.240 Yes, they received

00:17:44.660 record sales for the

00:17:48.500 Girls Gone Wild.

00:17:49.280 It was an old, like,

00:17:50.340 soft porn thing that

00:17:51.560 existed for people who

00:17:52.460 don't know.

00:17:52.840 I remember Girls Gone...

00:17:54.120 Yeah, I guess for the

00:17:55.000 younger people.

00:17:55.620 From a SciPost

00:17:57.560 titled, quote,

00:17:59.120 a conservative

00:17:59.800 religious environment

00:18:00.840 strongly increases the

00:18:01.780 chance of adolescent

00:18:02.540 porn viewing study

00:18:03.400 finds, end quote.

00:18:05.140 Quote, without

00:18:06.100 controlling for

00:18:06.760 individual religious

00:18:07.520 identity, however,

00:18:08.800 it might be possible

00:18:09.700 that those who have

00:18:11.020 searched for porn in

00:18:12.520 evangelical Protestant

00:18:13.340 states are people who

00:18:15.020 are not evangelical

00:18:15.760 Protestants, but live

00:18:17.020 in predominantly

00:18:17.780 evangelical Protestant

00:18:18.700 states.

00:18:19.300 So they checked.

00:18:20.160 The individual level

00:18:21.340 data from 3,370

00:18:23.220 youth and their parents

00:18:24.220 allowed researchers to

00:18:25.500 control for age, gender,

00:18:28.080 religious service

00:18:28.580 attendance, importance of

00:18:29.800 religion in life, parental

00:18:31.120 education attainment, and

00:18:32.480 several other religious and

00:18:33.500 demographic factors.

00:18:34.540 Even after accounting for

00:18:35.600 the confounding variables,

00:18:36.680 the researchers found that

00:18:38.000 county-level religious

00:18:39.600 adherence rates still

00:18:40.980 increased the odds of

00:18:42.120 watching porn during

00:18:42.940 adolescence by 66.53%,

00:18:45.740 regardless of religious

00:18:47.140 identity.

00:18:48.120 Similarly, youths were more

00:18:49.360 likely to report viewing

00:18:50.340 porn and continue to do so

00:18:52.680 with a higher share of

00:18:54.240 conservative Protestants,

00:18:55.500 especially among youths who

00:18:56.860 were not conservative

00:18:57.800 Protestants themselves.

00:18:58.780 So a 66.53% interest.

00:19:03.160 That is insanely higher.

00:19:06.180 Like, you are, and here I

00:19:07.800 just know from the Bible,

00:19:09.580 from your fruits you will

00:19:10.820 know them.

00:19:11.920 Is this a good practice?

00:19:14.620 So if I'm making a

00:19:15.760 judgment biblically, I need

00:19:17.420 to say, does it lead to the

00:19:19.580 intended outcome?

00:19:20.420 No, it leads to the

00:19:22.560 opposite outcome.

00:19:24.160 So it is not a good

00:19:25.980 practice.

00:19:27.220 But it gets even worse

00:19:30.240 than that.

00:19:31.240 You are probably hurting

00:19:32.400 kids more than you think

00:19:34.400 by making these requests.

00:19:36.320 It's specifically here, and

00:19:37.300 if people are like, okay,

00:19:38.040 well, from a religious

00:19:38.780 system, then how do you

00:19:39.540 handle this?

00:19:40.380 You've got to really worry

00:19:42.140 when you're building your

00:19:42.840 religious system against a

00:19:43.900 phenomenon called

00:19:44.760 scrupulicity.

00:19:46.700 Scrupulicity is the

00:19:47.740 pathological guilt and

00:19:49.120 anxiety about moral

00:19:50.200 issues.

00:19:50.800 Although it can affect

00:19:51.820 non-religious people, it

00:19:52.660 usually just affects

00:19:53.520 religious people.

00:19:54.180 So it's like when you

00:19:54.760 become obsessive-compulsive

00:19:56.440 about following a

00:19:58.000 deontological religious

00:19:59.120 ethical framework, and it

00:20:00.600 leads to extremely

00:20:01.780 negative life outcomes.

00:20:03.540 So how do you avoid

00:20:05.020 this?

00:20:05.480 How do you avoid this

00:20:06.980 focus on pornography and

00:20:08.360 stuff like that?

00:20:09.320 Well, what you do is

00:20:10.900 elevate the types of

00:20:12.940 thinking you want to

00:20:13.940 elevate rather than

00:20:15.120 suppress the type of

00:20:16.360 thinking you don't want.

00:20:17.400 And we'll get to how

00:20:20.180 you can do that around

00:20:21.000 sexuality at the end of

00:20:23.020 this particular, I guess

00:20:23.820 I will call these

00:20:24.400 lectures, whatever they

00:20:25.240 are.

00:20:25.700 But Simone, do you want

00:20:26.380 to give your thoughts

00:20:27.380 before I go further?

00:20:29.540 Yeah.

00:20:30.000 I mean, I don't know if

00:20:32.320 you want to discuss this

00:20:33.500 later, but I think that

00:20:35.740 also we're not trying to

00:20:38.520 say shove your kids into

00:20:42.140 erotic material and tell

00:20:43.560 them to have at it and

00:20:44.700 that there are no

00:20:45.280 problems if they start

00:20:46.380 consuming it in excess.

00:20:48.280 Consumption of anything in

00:20:49.540 excess is a sign of a

00:20:51.500 problem, and it's

00:20:52.480 something I think we

00:20:53.140 would discuss with our

00:20:53.940 kids, but within the

00:20:54.700 broader context of

00:20:55.680 excess of anything, where

00:20:57.400 you find that you are...

00:20:58.340 Actually, you might be

00:20:58.900 surprised, but excess porn

00:21:00.180 consumption is incredibly

00:21:01.540 rare outside of

00:21:02.580 religious communities.

00:21:05.860 Secular...

00:21:06.660 Porn addiction seems to

00:21:08.940 be specifically related to

00:21:10.860 moral bans on

00:21:12.560 pornography.

00:21:13.120 Yeah, and that's a sign

00:21:15.020 of a larger problem that

00:21:16.220 appears to need to be

00:21:17.140 solved, but I would just

00:21:17.980 say that I wouldn't even

00:21:21.300 warn our kids about

00:21:22.240 consuming too much.

00:21:23.440 I would warn our kids

00:21:24.700 about anything where you

00:21:27.520 start to change your daily

00:21:28.960 habits to prioritize

00:21:31.060 consumption of something.

00:21:34.220 So I would say that I

00:21:35.600 would categorize porn

00:21:37.320 consumption in the same

00:21:38.980 category of immoral action

00:21:40.800 as video games.

00:21:41.860 Oh, no.

00:21:42.540 I was thinking exactly the

00:21:43.680 same.

00:21:43.880 Video games, food, even

00:21:45.540 exercise.

00:21:46.420 Basically, anything where

00:21:47.800 other things in your life

00:21:50.460 are suffering because you

00:21:51.800 are so obsessed with

00:21:53.200 getting in more of an

00:21:54.120 action, and it could be

00:21:55.260 anything, then you have to

00:21:56.920 worry about it.

00:21:57.440 So we don't even have to

00:21:58.260 have that conversation

00:21:59.160 around sexuality.

00:22:01.240 We have that conversation

00:22:02.440 around addiction, period,

00:22:05.300 or habit-forming, period.

00:22:06.620 And I will note here, I

00:22:09.240 love when people, when we

00:22:09.960 have takes that are, because

00:22:11.220 I know that this take is

00:22:12.040 going to piss off a lot of

00:22:13.080 our listeners, but it's

00:22:14.320 just so based by the data.

00:22:16.400 Like, the data on this

00:22:17.540 particular subject is so

00:22:18.480 overwhelming, and they're

00:22:19.520 like, well, you're not

00:22:20.140 based.

00:22:20.480 And I'm like, well, we're

00:22:21.700 not going along with the

00:22:22.600 urban monocultures framing

00:22:23.680 on this stuff either, as

00:22:24.920 you'll see.

00:22:25.560 Our end conclusion is quite

00:22:26.820 offensive to them.

00:22:27.920 Being based, it doesn't

00:22:28.980 mean agreeing with

00:22:30.120 everything your group

00:22:31.160 thinks.

00:22:31.600 It means, you know,

00:22:32.980 saying what is true, even

00:22:34.280 when it might lose us

00:22:35.780 subscribers, as this

00:22:36.840 episode probably will.

00:22:38.120 But that's how we keep

00:22:40.080 from getting audience

00:22:40.720 captured.

00:22:41.180 You just got to keep

00:22:41.860 plowing through.

00:22:43.060 Keep pissing people off.

00:22:44.580 That's the secret.

00:22:45.180 Well, when the evidence

00:22:46.100 isn't in their favor, and

00:22:47.600 when the biblical text

00:22:48.680 isn't in their favor, as

00:22:49.820 we'll go over, it just

00:22:50.760 very clearly isn't, you

00:22:52.380 know, it's important that

00:22:54.000 we not only do what's

00:22:55.160 best for our kids, but

00:22:56.060 give other people the

00:22:57.140 tools to do what's best

00:22:58.240 for their kids, in

00:22:58.960 terms of the way that

00:23:00.240 they teach them about

00:23:01.040 this stuff.

00:23:01.840 Oh, yeah.

00:23:03.140 I'm going to be quoting

00:23:03.920 from the Pragmatist

00:23:04.520 Guide to Sexuality again.

00:23:05.980 Masturbation may

00:23:06.740 contribute to a decline

00:23:07.900 in many social ills.

00:23:09.360 UCLA researchers found

00:23:10.680 that sex criminals, on

00:23:12.200 average, consume less

00:23:13.520 porn than the average

00:23:14.900 person, and started

00:23:16.560 consuming it at a later

00:23:17.740 age than the average

00:23:18.800 non-sex criminal.

00:23:20.180 Had today's sex

00:23:21.340 criminals been able to

00:23:22.440 explore their sexuality

00:23:23.840 through their imagination

00:23:25.220 earlier, perhaps they

00:23:26.440 would not have felt

00:23:27.020 compelled to commit their

00:23:27.980 sex crimes later.

00:23:29.400 So I should note here,

00:23:30.460 when you put restrictions

00:23:31.420 on porn, you increase

00:23:32.800 the rate of sex

00:23:33.860 crimes.

00:23:35.180 In fact, the data

00:23:36.140 bears this out.

00:23:36.960 For every 10% of

00:23:38.340 increase in internet

00:23:39.140 access in the U.S., there

00:23:40.780 is a corresponding

00:23:41.640 regional decrease of

00:23:42.660 7.3% of grape cases.

00:23:45.340 Suggestion of the internet

00:23:46.660 and its facilitation of

00:23:48.800 masturbation may provide an

00:23:50.040 outlet for sexual energy

00:23:51.040 that might otherwise

00:23:52.020 cause serious damage.

00:23:53.440 Across nations, more

00:23:55.000 permissive attitudes

00:23:55.900 towards pornography are

00:23:57.280 correlated with lower

00:23:58.220 rates of grape and less

00:23:59.640 violence against women.

00:24:00.980 A great study of this can

00:24:02.420 be seen within the

00:24:03.660 Czech Republic, where

00:24:04.920 porn was illegal under

00:24:06.460 communism, then legalized

00:24:08.000 when the party fell.

00:24:09.020 This decriminalization of

00:24:10.500 pornography caused, in

00:24:12.180 one year, grapes to

00:24:14.100 decline by 37% and

00:24:17.220 child sexual abuse by

00:24:19.740 about 50%.

00:24:22.080 Similar results were

00:24:23.800 seen when the porn laws

00:24:25.120 were loosened in

00:24:26.040 Denmark, Japan, China, and

00:24:29.320 Hong Kong.

00:24:30.860 Wow.

00:24:30.960 Anyone who is pro-pornography

00:24:34.000 restrictions is functionally

00:24:36.100 also pro-child grape.

00:24:38.620 Period.

00:24:39.240 We have seen this happen

00:24:41.020 multiple times.

00:24:42.200 When you implement those

00:24:43.600 laws, the result is

00:24:47.260 children getting raped.

00:24:48.440 I forgot just how

00:24:49.200 striking the data was.

00:24:50.700 It's insane that people

00:24:52.500 are still, that there's

00:24:54.620 any ambiguity here.

00:24:55.800 It just seems so obvious.

00:24:56.860 There's no ambiguity at

00:24:58.120 all.

00:24:58.660 I mean, regardless, if you,

00:25:00.660 if a person wants to at

00:25:02.120 an individual level say

00:25:03.340 they believe in

00:25:04.300 restricting access for

00:25:05.840 them or their kids to

00:25:07.460 pornography, I'm like,

00:25:08.820 okay, I can get behind

00:25:11.280 that.

00:25:11.960 But when somebody begins

00:25:14.360 to push laws around this

00:25:15.980 at the state level, they

00:25:17.880 are now in my mind around

00:25:20.600 the same category of

00:25:21.900 morality as a child

00:25:22.900 trafficker because they

00:25:24.020 just, or somebody who

00:25:25.620 facilitates laws that

00:25:26.640 facilitate that because

00:25:27.520 they just show that they

00:25:29.360 do not care about the

00:25:31.340 actual results of what

00:25:32.660 they're doing.

00:25:33.160 And they do not care about

00:25:35.100 the actual children who

00:25:36.220 are going to suffer because

00:25:37.580 of the choices that they

00:25:38.800 are making for

00:25:39.900 essentially virtue signals.

00:25:41.520 And we, you know, we've

00:25:42.640 seen this within some

00:25:43.460 conservative events in the

00:25:44.340 UK.

00:25:44.520 And it's like the one

00:25:45.240 thing where I just want

00:25:46.040 to like, oh my God, or

00:25:47.700 even that when project

00:25:48.620 2025 suggested pornography

00:25:50.500 bans in the United

00:25:51.400 States, I just wanted to

00:25:52.720 slap the person who wrote

00:25:53.520 that.

00:25:53.780 I was like, do you

00:25:54.500 understand the

00:25:55.360 consequences, the

00:25:56.860 consequences of the laws

00:25:58.720 that you are suggesting be

00:25:59.860 put into place, but they

00:26:01.080 don't care.

00:26:01.400 They don't care.

00:26:02.200 These, these virtue

00:26:03.400 signalers do not care.

00:26:04.960 Everything for them is

00:26:05.600 this bizarre virtue

00:26:06.720 spiral.

00:26:07.980 Well, yeah, I mean, I

00:26:08.780 wouldn't necessarily put it

00:26:09.920 as not caring.

00:26:10.560 I would put it as not

00:26:11.680 thinking about it and not

00:26:13.180 orienting around truth or

00:26:15.500 evidence-based decisions

00:26:16.820 because humans aren't.

00:26:19.120 Now there, there's a

00:26:20.000 portion of us that's that of

00:26:21.560 our ourselves, I would say

00:26:22.860 our prefrontal cortex, which

00:26:24.220 is all about evidence-based

00:26:26.000 decisions, but that thing

00:26:27.700 came last and that thing

00:26:29.140 comes online fully last.

00:26:31.500 And most of us barely get

00:26:33.140 out of like our limbic

00:26:34.360 system.

00:26:35.060 So can you blame us?

00:26:37.220 We have the potential, but

00:26:38.420 it's not the default.

00:26:39.500 So I don't blame people for,

00:26:41.000 for, for, for virtue

00:26:42.740 spiraling and focusing on

00:26:44.720 social conformity.

00:26:45.880 I do.

00:26:46.720 You say you don't blame

00:26:47.940 people, but the result,

00:26:48.960 you've always said things

00:26:49.860 happening to kids is your

00:26:51.060 line.

00:26:51.560 Yeah, no, that's my line.

00:26:52.880 Well, and also I see the

00:26:54.180 only thing that makes us

00:26:55.080 human as our prefrontal

00:26:56.420 cortex.

00:26:56.880 So at the same time, I

00:26:58.200 don't blame them, but I

00:26:59.200 also dehumanize them because

00:27:00.400 I think that they're

00:27:01.020 reverting to that, which

00:27:03.480 is less human, but I

00:27:05.120 still understand, I

00:27:06.660 guess I should reword it

00:27:07.600 to, I understand why

00:27:09.100 they do that.

00:27:10.000 They're, they're failing

00:27:11.060 to rise above, but they

00:27:13.420 are doing what the

00:27:14.240 default is.

00:27:15.520 So.

00:27:16.240 Well, they're acting like

00:27:16.980 animals and I believe

00:27:18.240 people who act like

00:27:19.300 animals should be treated

00:27:20.160 like animals.

00:27:20.880 Well.

00:27:21.320 And thought of as

00:27:22.080 animals because they are

00:27:23.480 not rising above their

00:27:24.820 animalistic instincts.

00:27:26.080 Yeah.

00:27:26.580 Think through and look

00:27:27.880 through what are the

00:27:28.820 results of the stuff that

00:27:29.840 they're proposing.

00:27:30.620 And I think people often

00:27:31.620 are surprised.

00:27:32.060 Like, why are we so

00:27:33.260 viscerally against porn

00:27:35.240 bands?

00:27:35.660 And that is why, because

00:27:37.160 of the consequence.

00:27:38.720 Well, which is kind of

00:27:39.460 ironic because what

00:27:40.880 people think of when they

00:27:42.460 think about indulging in

00:27:43.780 porn is people succumbing

00:27:46.840 to their animalistic

00:27:48.200 instincts.

00:27:48.780 And indeed that is a

00:27:50.100 part of it, but it's

00:27:50.920 more like acknowledging

00:27:52.140 that they're presently is

00:27:54.820 not a convenient way

00:27:55.880 around these animalistic

00:27:58.100 instincts.

00:27:58.480 At least for some people

00:28:00.000 of certain hormonal

00:28:00.900 profiles.

00:28:01.400 And of course, there are

00:28:02.160 things you can do that

00:28:02.960 can suppress that, but

00:28:03.940 they have side effects

00:28:04.940 that can be dangerous.

00:28:06.680 So if we have to live

00:28:08.860 with these instincts, the

00:28:10.060 better thing to do is to

00:28:11.560 grab control of them and

00:28:12.840 exercise them in ways that

00:28:14.220 are minimally damaging,

00:28:15.520 which per our policy

00:28:18.120 around erotic material,

00:28:19.960 no human actors.

00:28:22.260 And in moderation, it is

00:28:24.240 100% the most optimal

00:28:26.220 way to deal with these

00:28:28.140 urges.

00:28:29.000 It makes perfect sense.

00:28:29.500 Yeah, without any of the

00:28:30.260 negative externality.

00:28:31.240 Exactly.

00:28:31.680 Because when you remove

00:28:32.080 human actors, then you

00:28:33.540 remove any trafficking

00:28:36.040 problems, you remove any

00:28:37.900 problems with prostitution,

00:28:39.640 you remove any problems

00:28:40.440 with impressed labor,

00:28:42.240 you remove any problems,

00:28:43.420 like you remove pretty much

00:28:44.840 all of the moral quads.

00:28:46.600 Yeah.

00:28:46.780 So when I model the

00:28:47.580 argument of someone who's

00:28:48.700 opposing us, what they're

00:28:49.900 trying to say is, oh, you

00:28:51.920 say we're supposed to rise

00:28:53.140 above with evidence-based

00:28:54.400 thought, but we're trying

00:28:55.440 to rise above our basest

00:28:56.920 human instincts by simply

00:28:59.240 abstaining from all of it

00:29:00.520 altogether.

00:29:01.300 What we're saying is you

00:29:02.240 can't do that.

00:29:03.780 Yeah, it doesn't work.

00:29:04.780 Yeah, it clearly doesn't

00:29:05.800 work.

00:29:06.180 And when you try to do

00:29:07.180 that, it backfires.

00:29:08.560 So what we need to do is

00:29:09.820 acknowledge where our

00:29:11.180 limits are, prepare for our

00:29:13.600 limits, build around the

00:29:15.120 limits, and then rise above

00:29:17.640 in more meaningful ways until

00:29:19.200 we can fully extinguish this.

00:29:20.780 And we've, in other

00:29:21.680 podcasts, even talked about

00:29:23.260 how when it gets to be

00:29:25.020 possible to safely suppress

00:29:27.480 human sexual instincts, we

00:29:29.480 will 100% do so.

00:29:31.240 And already all of our kids

00:29:32.800 have even been created in

00:29:34.200 the complete absence of

00:29:35.480 actual sexual intercourse.

00:29:37.360 I mean, like, we have sex,

00:29:39.080 but our kids are not created

00:29:40.260 using sex because we feel

00:29:41.560 that there are better ways

00:29:42.520 to do that.

00:29:43.200 No, there are ways to already

00:29:44.920 mute sexual impulses.

00:29:46.400 Well, there are.

00:29:46.980 It's just that the side

00:29:47.720 effects, like, for example,

00:29:48.700 me starving myself as a teen,

00:29:50.140 100% worked because it just

00:29:51.720 took my entire, entire

00:29:53.200 hormonal system offline.

00:29:54.860 And then I had the

00:29:55.740 hormonal profile of a

00:29:56.680 prepubescent child,

00:29:57.640 essentially.

00:29:58.200 So there are ways to do it.

00:29:59.240 I just think the side

00:29:59.960 effects are damaging.

00:30:02.000 And also, like, you can

00:30:02.780 go on, you can, you can

00:30:03.880 delay, you can, you can go

00:30:05.420 on gender affirming care

00:30:07.140 and delay onset of

00:30:08.780 purity.

00:30:08.920 Why are you ignoring

00:30:09.840 naltrexone?

00:30:10.620 It obviously works.

00:30:11.640 It has almost no side

00:30:12.520 effects.

00:30:14.760 But would naltrexone

00:30:16.680 stop arousal?

00:30:18.680 Or the government

00:30:19.420 mandating naltrexone.

00:30:20.600 But what I am saying is

00:30:21.660 technology already exists.

00:30:23.440 But naltrexone, that

00:30:24.580 deals with addiction

00:30:26.340 pathways, not with

00:30:27.280 arousal.

00:30:27.420 No, I can vary.

00:30:28.540 If I was to masturbate

00:30:30.500 while on naltrexone for,

00:30:32.020 like, three days in a row,

00:30:33.600 I would stop wanting to

00:30:34.460 masturbate.

00:30:35.340 Would you stop having

00:30:37.660 interest in...

00:30:40.680 Yes.

00:30:41.840 I'd stop having interest

00:30:42.940 in women.

00:30:43.540 Yes.

00:30:44.640 That's the way

00:30:45.460 naltrexone works.

00:30:46.400 It works on your

00:30:47.880 opioid pathways and

00:30:49.380 removes...

00:30:50.180 And arousal is just

00:30:51.600 100% on that system,

00:30:53.440 you're saying?

00:30:53.980 Yeah, 100% on that

00:30:55.160 system.

00:30:55.660 Oh, okay.

00:30:56.500 Okay, fair point then.

00:30:57.760 We already have the

00:30:58.980 tools for doing this,

00:30:59.840 but do I think it's

00:31:00.720 ethical to mandate

00:31:01.680 everyone take something

00:31:02.800 like this or even

00:31:04.320 pressure our kids to

00:31:05.300 take it?

00:31:05.580 No, I would say it's

00:31:06.180 an option if they think

00:31:07.580 it's the best way to

00:31:08.680 control a certain

00:31:09.480 impulse.

00:31:10.520 But no, I'm very

00:31:11.900 against mandating any

00:31:13.620 of this stuff.

00:31:14.620 All right, now back to

00:31:15.480 what I'm reading here.

00:31:16.440 Okay.

00:31:17.820 Other studies reinforced

00:31:18.920 these results, such as

00:31:20.360 one in aggression and

00:31:21.440 violent behavior that

00:31:22.760 found a weak inverse

00:31:24.560 correlation between

00:31:25.560 porn consumption and

00:31:26.520 violent behavior towards

00:31:27.760 women, specifically

00:31:29.040 grape and sexual

00:31:30.020 assault.

00:31:30.680 The study's findings

00:31:31.300 suggest that the more

00:31:32.760 porn a man consumes,

00:31:34.260 the less likely he is to

00:31:35.760 commit these violent

00:31:36.600 acts against women.

00:31:37.580 Despite what we had

00:31:38.740 assumed, masturbation and

00:31:40.400 porn consumption do not

00:31:41.980 lead people to think

00:31:42.980 less of women.

00:31:43.460 People who watch

00:31:44.520 pornography hold views

00:31:46.080 of women as more

00:31:47.320 equal to men than

00:31:48.340 those who do not

00:31:49.080 watch pornography.

00:31:50.320 Consumers of porn are

00:31:51.480 no less likely to

00:31:52.540 describe themselves as

00:31:53.540 feminists and actually

00:31:54.640 express more egalitarian

00:31:55.800 ideas about both women

00:31:57.060 in positions of power

00:31:58.040 and working outside the

00:31:59.460 home, according to

00:32:00.500 results of a study

00:32:01.300 published in the

00:32:01.880 Journal of Sex Research.

00:32:03.240 We did, however, find a

00:32:05.140 study showing that men

00:32:06.440 who were low on the

00:32:08.100 trait of agreeableness

00:32:09.180 did increase already

00:32:10.720 existing sexist

00:32:12.000 attitudes when exposed

00:32:12.840 to pornography.

00:32:13.900 So basically, you need

00:32:14.580 to get incredibly in the

00:32:15.740 weeds to show any, when

00:32:17.060 you have these individuals

00:32:18.260 like Louise Perry, who I

00:32:19.440 love, but, you know, I

00:32:20.260 think she has some stuff

00:32:21.180 like porn causes men to

00:32:23.160 think poorly of women or

00:32:24.440 like do these derogatory

00:32:26.040 sex acts towards women and

00:32:27.180 it's like that is

00:32:27.780 factually untrue.

00:32:30.040 And I will never, never

00:32:31.020 get over these women

00:32:32.000 today because I hear this

00:32:33.000 in conservative spaces.

00:32:34.160 They're like men choke

00:32:35.420 women during sex because

00:32:37.100 of porn.

00:32:38.840 And then women learn to

00:32:40.380 like it because of that.

00:32:41.260 And I'm like, we did not

00:32:43.520 make you all turn Fifty

00:32:45.480 Shades of Grey into a

00:32:46.440 best-selling book.

00:32:47.460 That stuff is coming from

00:32:48.980 women.

00:32:49.440 As a guy who has slept

00:32:50.740 around a lot, that stuff

00:32:53.680 is coming from women.

00:32:55.360 Okay?

00:32:56.320 That's not coming from the

00:32:57.860 male side of the sexuality

00:32:59.200 spectrum.

00:32:59.980 And you can see this in our

00:33:01.680 data.

00:33:02.540 It is the women who aren't

00:33:05.040 consuming as much of the

00:33:06.580 traditional pornography who

00:33:08.240 are more desiring of the

00:33:10.100 violent category of, of

00:33:12.080 sexuality.

00:33:13.100 You are just denying their

00:33:15.020 experiences and likely

00:33:16.440 haven't felt them because

00:33:17.500 it appears, and people can

00:33:18.820 watch our other videos on

00:33:19.700 it, that that form of

00:33:21.300 female sexuality might be

00:33:22.660 triggered by a high body

00:33:23.700 count.

00:33:24.180 But I don't want to get

00:33:24.920 into that.

00:33:25.360 If you want to get into

00:33:26.000 that, you can go to our

00:33:27.320 video on, what's a good

00:33:29.240 one on this?

00:33:29.760 I believe it's like raider

00:33:31.380 versus homesteader

00:33:32.260 sexuality.

00:33:33.320 I'll try to quickly and

00:33:34.700 briefly explain how the

00:33:35.740 theory works here.

00:33:36.580 So, essentially, we argue

00:33:38.400 that in a historic

00:33:39.920 context, women could have

00:33:41.660 found themselves in

00:33:42.980 multiple scenarios for

00:33:45.060 which a different arousal

00:33:46.620 profile would have been

00:33:47.720 optimal.

00:33:48.600 Specifically, they could

00:33:49.580 have found themselves in

00:33:50.640 a monogamous cultural

00:33:51.920 group, they could have

00:33:53.040 found themselves in a

00:33:54.160 polygynous cultural

00:33:55.100 group, or they could have

00:33:56.460 found themselves as, well,

00:33:58.980 essentially a slave taken

00:34:00.300 during a raid or a war or

00:34:01.900 something like that.

00:34:02.800 We argue that women

00:34:04.140 evolved a changing

00:34:06.460 arousal pattern based on

00:34:08.380 specific environmental

00:34:09.600 conditions, and that we can

00:34:11.400 actually see this in the data

00:34:13.380 and know what those

00:34:14.240 conditions are.

00:34:15.640 Specifically, when a woman

00:34:16.780 hasn't slept with a lot of

00:34:18.280 people, she will have a

00:34:20.040 release of oxytocin during

00:34:21.680 intercourse, which causes a

00:34:24.440 involuntary, you could almost

00:34:26.180 argue, bonding with the person

00:34:28.960 she is sleeping with, i.e.

00:34:30.520 she is very likely to fall

00:34:32.900 in love with that person

00:34:34.000 just because of the act of

00:34:36.260 sex, and that sex modulates

00:34:38.400 and makes it much faster

00:34:39.480 that she forms a love bond

00:34:41.300 with an individual, but that

00:34:42.760 this no longer happens the

00:34:45.300 more partners she has, and we

00:34:47.360 can see this from a lowering

00:34:48.400 of oxytocin during sex when

00:34:50.880 women have had lots of

00:34:52.240 different partners, and this

00:34:53.580 is because in an evolutionary

00:34:54.580 context, that would have only

00:34:55.720 happened in a polygynous

00:34:57.720 society.

00:34:58.240 In a monogamous society, it

00:35:00.060 is very advantageous for a

00:35:02.140 woman to fall in love with

00:35:03.680 and build an emotional bond

00:35:05.020 with the individual she is

00:35:06.540 sleeping with, but in a

00:35:07.960 society where she is

00:35:09.040 sleeping with a large number

00:35:10.440 of men, this is not

00:35:11.960 advantageous, and if you're

00:35:13.660 talking about a very large

00:35:14.660 number of partners, that

00:35:15.840 would only happen if she was

00:35:17.220 a slave.

00:35:18.360 Now, in that latter case, we

00:35:21.160 actually see, and this is

00:35:22.780 backed up by data that Ayla

00:35:24.220 collected, that women who have

00:35:26.740 lots and lots of partners

00:35:28.060 actually get turned on by

00:35:30.120 violence much more than women

00:35:32.440 who have had few partners, and

00:35:34.480 that this would make sense if

00:35:36.220 this hypothesis that we have

00:35:37.600 is true, and so when these

00:35:39.340 women say, I can't imagine any

00:35:41.700 woman being turned on by this,

00:35:43.720 and they are a low partner

00:35:45.180 count woman, it's like, well,

00:35:46.700 that's in part because you are a

00:35:49.020 low partner count woman that you

00:35:50.320 can't imagine that, but it's

00:35:52.000 leading you to misdiagnose where

00:35:54.680 these things are entering our

00:35:56.000 culture from.

00:35:56.740 It is not from men, it is from

00:35:58.620 women, and through that

00:36:00.180 misdiagnosis and putting the

00:36:02.560 blame on pornography, you put

00:36:05.060 children at risk.

00:36:07.080 All right.

00:36:08.640 Now back to reading.

00:36:10.260 We did recall reading about a

00:36:11.840 study conducted by the Max

00:36:13.220 Planck Institute showing that

00:36:14.660 intense porn consumption in men

00:36:16.300 was associated with lower gray

00:36:17.600 matter volume in the brain, so

00:36:20.080 we went back to the study only to

00:36:21.380 realize that what it actually

00:36:23.040 found was that men who consumed

00:36:24.740 lots of porn had lower amounts

00:36:26.580 of gray matter in a specific

00:36:27.840 part of the brain, the right

00:36:29.120 striatum.

00:36:30.060 The problem is that this part of

00:36:32.100 the brain is also involved in

00:36:33.620 reward processing.

00:36:34.980 All the study says is that men who

00:36:37.220 have deficient reward processing

00:36:38.620 pathways consume more porn.

00:36:41.880 Well, and this is very similar to

00:36:43.360 people who are overly addicted to

00:36:46.380 social media or video games, and

00:36:47.840 all you have to do at that point

00:36:48.980 is, don't they call it dopamine

00:36:50.260 fasting, where you just sort of

00:36:51.600 stop it for 30 days?

00:36:52.800 The point I'm putting is if you

00:36:53.940 have a broken reward pathway, it's

00:36:56.700 very likely that you're going to

00:36:58.100 become addicted to behavior

00:36:59.600 patterns that are meant to

00:37:00.740 satisfy that reward pathway.

00:37:02.400 This doesn't show causality.

00:37:04.660 It shows causation.

00:37:06.500 It shows people born with a broken

00:37:08.860 reward pathway follow that reward

00:37:11.980 pathway in a broken fashion.

00:37:16.620 What I read from that, are you

00:37:18.220 sure?

00:37:18.520 Because what I read from that was

00:37:19.580 that indicated that maybe they'd

00:37:21.620 been overexposed to the point of

00:37:23.020 numbness because they...

00:37:24.600 No, it didn't match.

00:37:27.240 So you're assuming that what it's

00:37:29.720 showing is that when men consumed

00:37:31.740 more porn, their gray matter

00:37:34.040 decreased, which isn't what it

00:37:36.080 showed.

00:37:36.380 It showed when their gray matter

00:37:37.880 decreased, they consumed more

00:37:39.720 porn.

00:37:41.560 And in exactly the part of the brain,

00:37:43.780 you would expect this to happen.

00:37:45.320 Interesting.

00:37:46.040 Okay.

00:37:46.220 But there's actually data that this

00:37:48.380 isn't correlational because we're

00:37:50.320 going to get further here.

00:37:51.740 A study conducted on college

00:37:53.220 students found that those who

00:37:54.660 masturbated more actually had more

00:37:57.160 sex than those who masturbated

00:37:58.740 less.

00:37:59.560 Another study found that people who

00:38:01.560 masturbate more often have happier

00:38:03.460 marriages and more satisfying sex

00:38:05.360 within those marriages.

00:38:06.980 Masturbating while fantasizing about

00:38:09.680 one's partner has also been shown to

00:38:11.740 improve the quality of relationships

00:38:13.180 and reduce relationship damaging

00:38:15.340 behavioral patterns.

00:38:16.960 Studies have even shown that the

00:38:18.680 concept of building up tolerance to

00:38:20.320 vanilla porn, suggesting that that is

00:38:22.540 why some people go into increasingly

00:38:25.020 weird porn, is false.

00:38:26.780 And this is something we were

00:38:29.000 formerly certain was true.

00:38:31.760 So we are quite excited to learn that

00:38:34.180 we were wrong.

00:38:35.220 Specifically, people who like weird

00:38:36.760 porn still get turned on by vanilla

00:38:38.800 porn at an even higher level than

00:38:41.600 people who prefer vanilla porn.

00:38:43.720 Statistically speaking, of course,

00:38:45.140 this isn't true for every single

00:38:46.240 individual.

00:38:47.200 Essentially, escalating weirdness in

00:38:49.000 porn taste may be a product of a

00:38:50.980 higher affinity for porn in general.

00:38:53.980 The underlying arousal patterns

00:38:55.760 experienced by weird porn aficionados

00:38:58.060 don't shift in response to exposure

00:39:00.180 to weird porn.

00:39:01.100 They merely are able to tolerate more

00:39:03.120 obscure content.

00:39:04.560 We do not start to see any consistent

00:39:07.700 negative effects from masturbation and

00:39:09.260 porn consumption until we get to studies

00:39:10.900 looking at masturbation three or more

00:39:12.780 times a day, and even those seem a

00:39:15.280 little cherry-picked.

00:39:16.540 One study found that pornography

00:39:17.900 negatively affects working memory,

00:39:19.880 though the effect holds only while

00:39:21.940 one is watching it.

00:39:23.500 Thanks, Captain Obvious.

00:39:24.940 We'll be sure to remember that the

00:39:26.700 next time we decide to take a test

00:39:28.100 while masturbating.

00:39:29.260 We also found some studies showing

00:39:31.840 that when a woman knows her boyfriend

00:39:33.800 is masturbating, it can hurt her body

00:39:35.160 image, and some studies indicate that

00:39:37.080 poor masturbation technique in men

00:39:38.920 gripping too hard can lower a man's

00:39:40.800 sensitivity.

00:39:41.720 Still, none of this really seems to

00:39:43.720 paint even fairly frequent masturbation

00:39:46.100 as being bad on the whole.

00:39:47.440 And the thing that gets me is just like

00:39:48.500 everything they're saying, like, oh, if

00:39:49.680 you masturbate, you'll be worse than

00:39:50.980 bad.

00:39:51.220 It's like, well, factually, that's

00:39:52.880 untrue.

00:39:53.440 People who masturbate more rated as

00:39:54.620 well.

00:39:54.720 It's also like saying, well, if you run

00:39:58.720 poorly, you know, and you have bad

00:40:01.880 running shoes, then you're going to, your

00:40:04.180 ankles will become injured chronically.

00:40:06.100 And it's like, well, yeah, true.

00:40:08.220 Technique is important with anything.

00:40:10.620 Moderation is important with anything.

00:40:12.420 And I think the whole female body image

00:40:13.920 thing has more to do with culture and

00:40:17.120 quite frankly, the toxic culture and

00:40:20.620 discussion around porn that makes women

00:40:24.400 feel bad about it.

00:40:25.880 And this is also this is somewhere else

00:40:27.860 in the Prime Goodness Guide to

00:40:28.880 Sexuality.

00:40:29.880 But the data that we found when doing

00:40:31.580 research for the book also found that

00:40:33.380 women who consume porn tend to be more

00:40:36.060 sexually comfortable and enjoy sex more.

00:40:38.880 So in general, as a female, even getting

00:40:42.960 into porn seems to just be purely additive

00:40:46.060 to your sex life and your confidence, which

00:40:48.580 is, I mean, it makes sense when you

00:40:51.000 actually look at porn that's designed

00:40:52.580 around women.

00:40:53.500 But I think given the toxic discourse

00:40:56.240 around porn as it stands, yeah, it makes

00:40:59.760 sense way.

00:41:01.080 Yeah.

00:41:01.760 Well, and this is unfortunately being

00:41:04.060 perpetuated by some of our friends, which

00:41:06.260 is very frustrating to me that they don't

00:41:08.120 just look at the research, you know?

00:41:09.820 Well, it could also just be an audience

00:41:11.700 capture thing, because when we went, for

00:41:13.760 example, to the ARC conference in London

00:41:16.840 last year, which was supposed to be like

00:41:19.640 the conservative Davos, that subject came

00:41:22.940 up so much.

00:41:24.400 And it was such a crowd pleaser that it was

00:41:28.080 hard.

00:41:29.200 I mean, it would be really difficult for

00:41:30.940 these people who are trying to rise as

00:41:32.880 conservative thought leaders, especially in

00:41:34.880 the United Kingdom and Europe, which has

00:41:36.620 that sort of curmudgeonly form of defeatist

00:41:40.080 form of conservatism that you can't take the

00:41:43.660 other stance because you would be shadow

00:41:45.360 banned from those communities, you would

00:41:46.780 not be invited to speak.

00:41:47.940 They don't have a choice.

00:41:50.820 Well, thank God we're not there.

00:41:52.380 They're all going to die out anyway.

00:41:54.080 I really care very little about them because

00:41:56.320 they're so obviously going to die out.

00:41:58.080 They don't have the fighting spirit to get

00:41:59.960 through for the Valley of the Lotus Eaters.

00:42:02.540 Well, it's true.

00:42:03.480 These people who are up there whinging about

00:42:05.820 banning porn have like no kids.

00:42:07.500 Like, I'm like, okay, clearly you don't

00:42:10.620 like have good solutions to this, do you?

00:42:13.460 Anyway.

00:42:14.500 All right.

00:42:15.360 Okay, okay, okay.

00:42:16.320 But what about addiction?

00:42:18.220 Masturbation addiction is destroying the

00:42:19.900 lives of millions of young Americans, right?

00:42:22.280 The answer here is a resounding

00:42:23.740 anecdotally.

00:42:26.180 Masturbation is not recognized as addictive

00:42:27.880 by the American Psychological Association, APA,

00:42:30.380 and was not categorized as a mental health

00:42:31.940 condition in the latest standard diagnostic

00:42:34.080 manual, DSM-5.

00:42:35.240 We readily admit that this seems a little

00:42:37.240 weird that there isn't much research

00:42:39.320 showing masturbation can be addictive,

00:42:41.160 as it seems to affect opioid pathways,

00:42:43.600 i.e. the naltrexone thing.

00:42:45.700 And most things that affect opioid pathways

00:42:47.620 enhance one's ability to learn a behavior

00:42:50.400 and thus cause addiction in a subset

00:42:52.880 of the population.

00:42:53.940 Think gambling, alcohol, morphine, etc.

00:42:56.720 Because porn affects opioid pathways,

00:42:59.120 it causes the parts of the brain to light up

00:43:01.480 when exposed to opioids.

00:43:03.420 So people will often be like,

00:43:04.440 do you know that porn also affects the parts

00:43:07.280 of the brain that are affected by,

00:43:09.300 you know, like opioid addictions, right?

00:43:12.560 It's like, well, yeah, that's because

00:43:13.400 it affects opioid pathways.

00:43:15.180 That doesn't mean, you know,

00:43:17.060 this also does that for me, okay?

00:43:20.180 You know, a lot of things we do

00:43:21.560 on a daily basis, the question is,

00:43:23.740 is are you susceptible to addictions

00:43:25.800 to that particular chain of opioid pathways?

00:43:28.580 And it appears that masturbation addicted

00:43:31.460 outside of individuals who are banning masturbation,

00:43:34.680 which means it's likely something

00:43:35.600 other than a standard addiction,

00:43:36.880 so if you don't have a religious thing against it,

00:43:39.280 are astronomically rare.

00:43:41.620 It seems that your brain essentially

00:43:43.120 down-regulates a desire to masturbate

00:43:45.240 if you are doing it two or more times a day.

00:43:47.540 But anyway, back to the topic here.

00:43:49.860 Instead of being thought of as an addiction,

00:43:52.520 the current consensus seems to be

00:43:53.880 that frequent masturbation

00:43:54.900 should be categorized as a compulsion.

00:43:56.500 This is the same categorization given

00:43:58.900 to what is colloquially called

00:44:00.360 a quote-unquote sex addiction.

00:44:02.020 In this case, there doesn't seem to be anything,

00:44:03.940 neurologically speaking at least,

00:44:05.440 that differentiates someone

00:44:06.360 who has a quote-unquote addiction

00:44:07.400 to masturbation versus sex,

00:44:09.600 meaning the negative effects

00:44:10.800 resulting from masturbation too much

00:44:12.940 would arise after too much sex.

00:44:15.700 Even then, calling masturbation addiction

00:44:17.760 seems tenuous.

00:44:19.200 For more on this, read

00:44:20.940 The Myths of Sex Addiction by David Lee, PhD.

00:44:23.940 Now, it gets worse than all of this.

00:44:28.180 Like, when you're talking about

00:44:29.100 the benefits of masturbation,

00:44:30.440 there's a great paper,

00:44:31.220 The Role of Masturbation

00:44:32.140 in Healthy Sexual Development,

00:44:33.200 Perceptions of Young Adults.

00:44:34.580 This came out in 2011

00:44:35.800 and showed that frequent masturbation

00:44:38.100 was associated with

00:44:39.320 higher educational outcomes.

00:44:41.900 So, you get more sex,

00:44:43.760 you get higher educational outcomes,

00:44:46.000 you get, well, I can go through other things.

00:44:47.680 It has been shown to improve sleep quality.

00:44:50.180 It has been shown to reduce

00:44:51.160 the probability of prostate cancer.

00:44:52.340 It has been shown to relieve menstrual cramps.

00:44:55.140 It has been shown to reduce

00:44:56.260 the risk of urinary tract infections.

00:44:58.660 It has been shown to reduce muscle tension.

00:45:00.640 It has been shown to improve the immune system.

00:45:02.520 Well, I think I highly associate it

00:45:04.860 with vitalism too, in general.

00:45:07.020 Like, if someone,

00:45:08.580 and you see this in characters in history

00:45:11.580 like King Henry VIII

00:45:13.260 and Winston Churchill.

00:45:14.440 These are people who were

00:45:16.420 voracious on all fronts, right?

00:45:19.240 Heavy drinkers, heavy eaters,

00:45:21.040 heavy sportsmen, heavy romantically, right?

00:45:24.880 Just on everything,

00:45:26.300 I think that there's something to do

00:45:27.960 with leaning into everything

00:45:32.260 and going all in

00:45:33.600 and being very passionate

00:45:34.760 and that being associated

00:45:36.640 with high achievement.

00:45:37.840 Like, intuitively and culturally,

00:45:39.380 it makes sense.

00:45:40.580 Whereas being someone who abstains,

00:45:42.460 I mean, it's a very Buddhist thing,

00:45:43.960 you know, this discipline,

00:45:45.080 this stepping back,

00:45:46.040 but that also doesn't correlate

00:45:48.320 with achievement, you know?

00:45:49.920 It correlates, I guess,

00:45:51.100 with virtue from that perspective

00:45:54.200 of a monk.

00:45:56.340 But monks are not really famous

00:46:00.560 for changing the course of history.

00:46:02.260 I mean, even the Dalai Lama,

00:46:03.580 we all love him,

00:46:04.380 but he's not.

00:46:06.580 Yeah, well, and I would say

00:46:07.660 that I don't,

00:46:08.340 it's, when people are like,

00:46:09.220 do No Nut November or something

00:46:10.300 and, like, note benefits from it,

00:46:12.760 the key benefit they're getting

00:46:14.320 is from denying an impulse.

00:46:17.240 There are other impulses

00:46:19.000 you could deny

00:46:19.780 that aren't going to cause

00:46:20.900 intrusive thoughts

00:46:21.900 other than masturbation.

00:46:23.860 That's the problem.

00:46:24.900 Like, it's not that you're not

00:46:26.060 going to get benefits.

00:46:27.080 Like, all people get benefits

00:46:28.720 from denying impulses.

00:46:30.140 Yeah.

00:46:30.280 Oh, gosh, there was some famous,

00:46:32.080 maybe he was a physicist

00:46:33.440 or a researcher

00:46:34.340 or something like that.

00:46:35.360 There was this amazing quote from him

00:46:36.660 because he,

00:46:37.740 some friend bet him

00:46:38.620 that, like, he couldn't,

00:46:39.520 he was too addicted

00:46:40.260 to some form of amphetamines

00:46:41.800 to even stop them for a month

00:46:43.100 and he did

00:46:43.620 and he had no problem.

00:46:44.640 He was fully able to do it

00:46:46.060 and he's like,

00:46:46.580 and you said back

00:46:47.420 my field significantly for a month.

00:46:50.420 You know, like,

00:46:50.800 the world is at a loss

00:46:52.140 because I stopped doing this

00:46:53.800 just to do it.

00:46:55.680 Yeah.

00:46:56.100 The act of trying

00:46:57.560 not to think about sex,

00:46:58.980 the act of trying

00:46:59.940 to quit coffee,

00:47:01.560 the act of trying

00:47:02.460 to hold yourself back

00:47:03.820 and all these things

00:47:04.620 takes so much time

00:47:06.580 and effort

00:47:07.020 and for what?

00:47:08.920 Yeah.

00:47:10.400 Okay, so,

00:47:12.060 now an individual

00:47:12.660 might be like,

00:47:13.180 okay, well,

00:47:13.540 it might be good

00:47:13.920 for your physical state

00:47:15.040 but it's not good

00:47:15.500 for your mental state.

00:47:16.840 Well, here's the problem.

00:47:19.020 With regards to benefits

00:47:19.740 to one's mental state,

00:47:20.860 masturbation has been shown

00:47:21.860 to release sexual tension,

00:47:23.920 reduce stress,

00:47:24.660 improve self-esteem,

00:47:25.540 improve body image

00:47:26.240 and lead to higher

00:47:27.260 self-reported rates

00:47:28.100 of happiness.

00:47:29.060 Some studies have shown

00:47:30.100 this may not be the case

00:47:31.460 in adolescent women

00:47:32.320 but lateral longitudinal studies

00:47:34.500 suggest this was due

00:47:35.900 to confounding factors.

00:47:37.560 So,

00:47:39.420 meaner.

00:47:40.660 Like,

00:47:40.940 it's just like a strict

00:47:42.100 negative thing

00:47:43.180 to be against.

00:47:44.200 Like,

00:47:44.680 now this wasn't true

00:47:46.180 historically.

00:47:47.220 When you didn't have

00:47:48.700 modern pornography,

00:47:49.760 like,

00:47:50.220 before you had AI

00:47:51.200 and drawn pornography

00:47:52.120 and stuff like that

00:47:52.780 and you had to rely

00:47:53.720 on the porn industry

00:47:55.180 that used real people,

00:47:56.980 there was like...

00:47:57.340 That's the thing though,

00:47:57.700 is that honestly

00:47:58.780 was a pretty short-lived thing.

00:48:00.260 So,

00:48:00.860 from this,

00:48:02.460 like,

00:48:02.840 when the first photographs

00:48:04.260 were made

00:48:05.100 until maybe

00:48:07.560 five,

00:48:09.760 ten years ago,

00:48:11.080 yes,

00:48:11.560 there was this weird

00:48:12.520 short period

00:48:13.460 where photos and video

00:48:14.820 of sexual acts

00:48:16.480 was pervasive

00:48:17.220 but before that

00:48:18.040 there was so much

00:48:18.980 drawn porn.

00:48:19.980 There was,

00:48:20.400 it was all drawn porn.

00:48:22.180 You see it going back

00:48:23.440 forever and ever and ever.

00:48:24.820 Well,

00:48:24.980 by the way,

00:48:25.300 people who think that,

00:48:26.080 like,

00:48:26.560 rule 64 porn,

00:48:27.800 like,

00:48:28.240 drawn cartoon characters

00:48:29.460 in porn stuff

00:48:30.440 is new.

00:48:31.200 They were entirely

00:48:31.940 in MacBooks

00:48:32.520 in the 1920s.

00:48:34.000 If you go back

00:48:34.920 before that,

00:48:36.060 you will see

00:48:36.800 drawn characters

00:48:37.640 of gods

00:48:38.640 and stuff like that

00:48:39.420 clearly in pornographic

00:48:40.480 positions.

00:48:41.620 Fictional characters...

00:48:43.060 Oh,

00:48:43.160 and they were referred to

00:48:43.900 as, like,

00:48:44.300 political cartoons

00:48:45.180 but think about

00:48:45.760 all the sexualized cartoons

00:48:47.360 of Marie Antoinette

00:48:48.140 and other historical figures.

00:48:49.720 This was just

00:48:50.280 pervasive.

00:48:52.500 It's fine.

00:48:53.280 It's what we do.

00:48:54.220 People wonder

00:48:54.760 why people

00:48:55.780 sexualize

00:48:57.300 these sorts

00:48:57.860 of characters.

00:48:58.480 It's likely

00:48:58.780 because we have

00:48:59.360 a system

00:48:59.780 that increases

00:49:00.940 our arousal pathway

00:49:01.880 to any character

00:49:03.340 we have a parasocial

00:49:04.420 or social connection to

00:49:05.580 and many people

00:49:06.600 build social connections

00:49:07.620 to characters

00:49:08.760 that they hear about

00:49:09.520 or see a lot

00:49:10.480 more so than

00:49:11.960 a random person

00:49:12.880 who might be appearing

00:49:13.640 in a porn video.

00:49:15.500 Now,

00:49:15.860 also,

00:49:16.480 we've got to talk about

00:49:17.120 just how negative sex

00:49:18.260 was in a historic context.

00:49:20.100 That you could

00:49:20.720 accidentally

00:49:21.460 get somebody pregnant.

00:49:23.380 Oh,

00:49:23.800 gosh.

00:49:24.180 Well,

00:49:24.340 and syphilis.

00:49:25.080 Let's not forget

00:49:25.780 about syphilis.

00:49:26.780 Or syphilis.

00:49:27.800 It would drive you crazy

00:49:29.360 or that there were

00:49:30.660 giant gangs of orphans

00:49:32.200 from this

00:49:32.660 in places like London

00:49:34.000 or that they would

00:49:35.120 randomly leave.

00:49:36.980 You can close your ears,

00:49:38.000 Simone.

00:49:39.260 Okay.

00:49:39.880 Wave your hands

00:49:40.700 when you're done.

00:49:41.340 There are reports

00:49:42.760 of people

00:49:43.900 stepping over babies

00:49:45.160 being very common,

00:49:46.100 dead babies,

00:49:46.720 in London

00:49:47.240 during this period

00:49:48.360 because

00:49:49.140 it was just

00:49:50.820 so common

00:49:51.720 to have children

00:49:52.540 out of wedlock

00:49:53.640 and leave them

00:49:54.120 for exposure.

00:49:54.700 Extramarital

00:49:55.580 and premarital

00:49:56.400 sex

00:49:56.780 was genuinely

00:49:57.620 horrific

00:49:58.240 in a pre-modern

00:49:59.240 context.

00:50:00.120 But we are not

00:50:01.120 in a pre-modern

00:50:02.300 context

00:50:02.940 and our children

00:50:04.160 are being lost

00:50:05.380 in droves.

00:50:06.580 All right,

00:50:06.920 you can

00:50:07.180 come back.

00:50:09.520 You can come back.

00:50:10.700 Okay.

00:50:12.040 Like,

00:50:12.640 this wouldn't be

00:50:13.560 a thing that I'd be

00:50:14.400 going on about

00:50:15.220 if it had no

00:50:16.340 negative consequences.

00:50:17.300 If it didn't lead

00:50:18.260 to the

00:50:19.440 bad things.

00:50:20.820 The bad things

00:50:22.080 I mentioned before

00:50:22.960 that I don't want

00:50:23.600 that we do not

00:50:24.180 talk about around

00:50:24.900 Simone because

00:50:25.520 Simone can't afford

00:50:26.320 to cry all night.

00:50:27.160 Thank you.

00:50:28.120 But I mean,

00:50:28.820 also like women,

00:50:29.800 I mean,

00:50:30.100 even sex within

00:50:31.200 marriage was a

00:50:31.940 pretty big risk

00:50:32.700 because the,

00:50:33.520 you know,

00:50:33.780 number of

00:50:34.640 times you could

00:50:36.440 expect a friend

00:50:37.200 or family member

00:50:37.900 to die in childbirth

00:50:39.020 was...

00:50:40.280 Oh, yeah.

00:50:40.540 And women,

00:50:41.080 I don't know if you know,

00:50:41.780 they lost a tooth

00:50:43.240 on average

00:50:43.760 with every pregnancy.

00:50:45.400 Yeah,

00:50:45.780 pregnancies were rough

00:50:46.620 on women,

00:50:47.100 but also

00:50:47.600 just this idea

00:50:49.000 of,

00:50:49.380 well,

00:50:49.500 maybe I'll die.

00:50:50.260 Maybe I'll get a baby.

00:50:51.440 I don't know.

00:50:51.960 Worth it.

00:50:52.440 Let's give this a roll

00:50:53.260 of the dice.

00:50:53.960 You know,

00:50:54.180 it was dangerous.

00:50:55.040 Even in the best

00:50:56.420 of contexts,

00:50:57.260 you have all the resources,

00:50:58.620 you have the best

00:50:59.240 medical care.

00:51:00.460 Yep.

00:51:00.700 Yep.

00:51:00.980 You might still die.

00:51:02.800 So...

00:51:03.200 That is not

00:51:04.660 the context.

00:51:06.260 We need to motivate

00:51:07.340 sex in today.

00:51:09.860 Very different context today.

00:51:11.180 Totally different.

00:51:12.120 So now we're going

00:51:13.080 to go into Bible stuff

00:51:14.520 for people who are like,

00:51:15.300 what, but, but.

00:51:16.460 Somebody who hadn't

00:51:17.200 read the Bible

00:51:17.780 told me the Bible said,

00:51:19.060 and I'm like,

00:51:19.720 well,

00:51:19.820 let's go into

00:51:20.400 what the Bible

00:51:21.000 does say,

00:51:21.720 okay?

00:51:22.640 Let's do it.

00:51:23.240 Because I know

00:51:23.920 what a lot of the things

00:51:24.700 that people think

00:51:25.520 are in the Bible

00:51:26.380 just aren't,

00:51:27.660 and it always surprises me.

00:51:29.340 So we're going to go

00:51:30.260 into all the times

00:51:31.100 the Bible might be

00:51:32.020 talking about masturbation.

00:51:34.200 Genesis 38,

00:51:35.520 9 through 10.

00:51:36.740 The story of Ohan

00:51:37.460 is sometimes

00:51:38.240 associated with masturbation

00:51:40.520 because Ohan,

00:51:41.380 quote,

00:51:41.840 spilled the seed

00:51:42.820 on the ground,

00:51:43.660 end quote,

00:51:44.060 to avoid providing

00:51:45.460 an heir

00:51:45.940 for his deceased brother,

00:51:47.640 which God condemned.

00:51:49.020 However,

00:51:49.220 it seems like

00:51:49.680 that was the dick move.

00:51:51.320 It wasn't the masturbation.

00:51:52.760 It was about not providing

00:51:53.640 an heir for his brother.

00:51:55.100 Yeah.

00:51:56.080 About the masturbation.

00:51:58.020 So for people

00:51:58.780 who don't know this,

00:51:59.800 this was a very important rule

00:52:01.560 in Jewish traditions,

00:52:02.800 which is that

00:52:03.660 if a wife's husband died,

00:52:05.280 she was supposed

00:52:05.780 to marry his brother.

00:52:07.200 This makes a lot of sense

00:52:08.840 from a genetics perspective.

00:52:09.840 It's actually like

00:52:10.540 a very fair thing.

00:52:11.760 It is something

00:52:12.220 I would want to happen

00:52:13.200 to my wife

00:52:13.880 if I died

00:52:14.880 before our first kid was born.

00:52:16.620 Because if she inherited

00:52:18.120 all of my money,

00:52:19.520 who do I want

00:52:20.160 that money going to

00:52:21.120 but a close genetic relative to me

00:52:23.040 who is a good

00:52:24.080 close genetic relative to me?

00:52:25.920 Well,

00:52:26.080 my brother's kid would be,

00:52:27.400 it might not be 50% me,

00:52:29.040 but it's 25% me.

00:52:30.580 Like,

00:52:31.120 that's a really sensible law

00:52:33.020 to decide not to do that.

00:52:36.020 That is a deep move

00:52:38.440 in the extreme

00:52:39.880 and God was right

00:52:41.360 to condemn him.

00:52:42.300 But that has nothing

00:52:43.120 to do with masturbation,

00:52:44.820 okay?

00:52:45.460 That has to do

00:52:46.120 with masturbating

00:52:47.320 and then not putting it

00:52:48.220 in the woman.

00:52:49.160 If he had taken that

00:52:50.000 and then put it in the woman,

00:52:51.100 God would have been chill.

00:52:52.080 That's like,

00:52:52.920 he didn't even need

00:52:53.560 to have PIV.

00:52:54.420 Well,

00:52:54.640 or if he had done that

00:52:55.700 but then the next day

00:52:56.880 had sex

00:52:57.500 and produced the heir,

00:52:58.660 then it will also

00:52:59.580 would have been,

00:52:59.960 it seems like the act

00:53:01.020 of sticking it

00:53:02.540 to his brother

00:53:03.280 was the problem.

00:53:05.300 So now we're going

00:53:05.900 to deal with

00:53:06.580 Matthew 5,

00:53:07.900 27 through 30.

00:53:09.620 And so for people

00:53:10.320 who understand

00:53:10.780 the context of this,

00:53:11.960 this is when Jesus

00:53:12.640 goes through a bunch

00:53:13.380 of old commandments

00:53:14.060 and then just updates

00:53:15.360 them to be like

00:53:16.200 more extreme.

00:53:17.660 Basically in this section

00:53:19.020 he is emphasizing

00:53:20.380 how easy it is

00:53:22.120 to sin

00:53:22.640 by listing examples

00:53:25.020 that show

00:53:26.000 that people

00:53:26.920 were too strict

00:53:28.120 about putting sin

00:53:29.020 into categories

00:53:29.780 where,

00:53:30.460 well,

00:53:30.600 only when you do

00:53:31.340 this big thing

00:53:32.440 are you actually sinning,

00:53:33.720 not when you do

00:53:34.560 this little thing

00:53:35.480 are you actually sinning.

00:53:36.760 Here,

00:53:37.120 I'll give you

00:53:37.460 some examples.

00:53:38.120 In this category

00:53:39.580 he says,

00:53:40.700 you have heard it said

00:53:41.560 to the people long ago

00:53:43.060 you shall not murder

00:53:44.080 and anyone who murders

00:53:45.160 will be subject to judgment.

00:53:46.800 But I tell you

00:53:47.360 that anyone who is angry

00:53:48.500 with a brother or sister

00:53:49.540 will be subject to judgment.

00:53:51.260 Again,

00:53:51.780 anyone who said

00:53:52.780 to a brother or sister

00:53:53.860 Raka is answerable in court

00:53:55.940 and anyone who says

00:53:57.180 you fool

00:53:57.880 will be in danger

00:53:59.260 of the fire of hell.

00:54:00.540 So here he is saying

00:54:01.160 if you have ever

00:54:01.800 called someone a fool

00:54:03.200 that is in a way

00:54:04.720 equivalent to murdering someone.

00:54:06.480 And I agree with this.

00:54:07.940 It is sinful

00:54:08.920 to be derogatory

00:54:10.280 of other people.

00:54:12.000 But it is also something

00:54:13.480 that we all do.

00:54:15.300 The point being made here

00:54:17.140 is that everybody

00:54:18.640 lives a life of sin.

00:54:20.820 For example,

00:54:21.780 in another category here

00:54:23.100 he says,

00:54:24.160 again,

00:54:24.680 you have heard

00:54:25.380 that it was said

00:54:26.280 to the people long ago

00:54:27.480 do not break your oath

00:54:28.620 but fulfill the Lord

00:54:30.280 the vows you have made.

00:54:31.940 But I tell you

00:54:32.620 do not swear an oath at all

00:54:34.360 either by heaven

00:54:35.460 for it is God's throne

00:54:36.780 or by earth

00:54:37.680 for it is his footstool

00:54:39.040 or by Jerusalem

00:54:40.140 for it is the city

00:54:41.180 of the great king.

00:54:42.260 Do not swear by your head

00:54:43.480 for you cannot make

00:54:44.780 even one hair white or black.

00:54:46.440 All you need

00:54:47.260 is to say simply

00:54:48.400 yes or no.

00:54:49.560 Anything beyond this

00:54:50.740 comes from the evil one.

00:54:52.420 So again,

00:54:53.060 here he's saying

00:54:53.820 that like

00:54:54.440 it is a sin

00:54:56.240 to make promises

00:54:58.380 to other people,

00:54:59.280 to swear to other people,

00:55:00.640 to even sign a contract

00:55:02.800 with Apple

00:55:03.600 when you're using

00:55:04.340 an Apple store.

00:55:05.640 All you're allowed

00:55:06.380 to say is yes or no.

00:55:07.940 That is the only way

00:55:08.860 you can prevent yourself

00:55:09.940 from sinning.

00:55:10.600 There is also a part here

00:55:11.920 where he says,

00:55:13.240 and if anyone wants

00:55:14.280 to sue you

00:55:14.920 and take your shirt,

00:55:16.000 hand over your coat

00:55:16.940 to them as well.

00:55:18.120 So again,

00:55:18.860 he's saying here,

00:55:19.800 well,

00:55:20.040 it would be a sin

00:55:20.820 if somebody decides

00:55:22.900 to unrightly,

00:55:24.100 you know,

00:55:24.340 here,

00:55:24.800 this is right after the,

00:55:26.560 if anyone slaps you

00:55:27.520 on the right cheek,

00:55:28.400 then turn the other cheek also.

00:55:30.560 So he's saying,

00:55:31.520 you know,

00:55:31.700 when somebody

00:55:32.740 attacks you

00:55:33.620 or is unjust towards you,

00:55:35.740 gives them the thing

00:55:36.700 that they're asking of you

00:55:37.740 and to not do that

00:55:38.860 is a sin.

00:55:39.800 So if anyone

00:55:40.920 has ever accused you

00:55:42.100 of something

00:55:42.500 or sued you

00:55:43.240 of something,

00:55:43.720 you are supposed

00:55:44.140 to immediately

00:55:44.840 capitulate the lawsuit

00:55:45.880 and give more to them

00:55:47.300 than whatever

00:55:47.680 they were asking for.

00:55:48.660 Not doing that

00:55:50.260 is the same category

00:55:51.880 as lusting over someone

00:55:53.600 who's not your wife.

00:55:54.820 Lusting over someone

00:55:55.660 who's not your wife

00:55:56.540 within this part

00:55:58.280 of Matthew here

00:55:59.360 is in the same category

00:56:00.840 of sin

00:56:01.280 as signing

00:56:02.520 a Apple user agreement.

00:56:04.740 It's in the same category

00:56:06.300 of sin

00:56:06.880 of calling someone else

00:56:08.400 a fool.

00:56:09.300 It is absolutely a sin.

00:56:11.600 You know,

00:56:11.780 C-Track 8,

00:56:12.520 anything that's not done

00:56:13.320 for the glory of God

00:56:14.040 is a sin.

00:56:14.520 That's made very clear

00:56:15.300 in the Bible.

00:56:16.220 But it is

00:56:17.100 of the same category

00:56:18.400 of sin

00:56:18.740 where we're just supposed

00:56:19.680 to remember

00:56:20.320 that it is impossible

00:56:21.440 to live a life

00:56:22.380 without sin

00:56:23.140 and to strive

00:56:25.140 to be a good person

00:56:26.560 in spite of that.

00:56:27.780 It is not

00:56:28.780 of the same category

00:56:29.740 of sin

00:56:30.320 of murder

00:56:31.260 or something.

00:56:32.140 And this is

00:56:32.880 incredibly clear

00:56:34.280 when you're reading

00:56:34.900 this section of Matthew

00:56:35.920 to the point

00:56:37.180 where I would say

00:56:38.280 anyone who is

00:56:39.620 using this line

00:56:41.320 to argue

00:56:42.300 something else

00:56:43.620 was meant by this

00:56:44.620 and like not putting it

00:56:46.000 in the context

00:56:46.640 of this is also

00:56:47.540 the part where

00:56:48.160 you're never supposed

00:56:49.280 to make any oath

00:56:50.340 or promise to someone

00:56:51.500 other than saying

00:56:52.740 yes or no.

00:56:53.800 This is the part

00:56:54.800 where you are supposed

00:56:55.960 to never call

00:56:56.620 someone a fool

00:56:57.420 where you're never

00:56:58.680 supposed to get angry

00:56:59.780 with your brother

00:57:00.780 or sister

00:57:01.360 where you're supposed

00:57:03.240 to immediately

00:57:03.940 capitulate any suit

00:57:05.780 brought against you

00:57:06.580 and give the person

00:57:07.320 more than what

00:57:07.880 they're asking for

00:57:08.640 and they're not

00:57:09.760 including that

00:57:10.760 when they're like

00:57:11.220 oh he said

00:57:11.980 you know

00:57:12.340 don't lust after

00:57:13.140 anyone who's not

00:57:14.020 your wife

00:57:14.500 that they're being

00:57:16.560 intentionally

00:57:17.280 dishonest with you.

00:57:19.000 They are intentionally

00:57:19.840 using the Bible

00:57:21.040 in an attempt

00:57:21.760 to manipulate you

00:57:22.800 by presenting something

00:57:24.220 out of context

00:57:25.080 and hoping that

00:57:26.160 you are

00:57:26.860 well too dumb

00:57:28.060 to go look up

00:57:28.860 where this is said

00:57:29.680 in the Bible

00:57:30.200 and I would then

00:57:32.620 put that next to

00:57:34.200 all of the other stuff

00:57:35.660 they're teaching you

00:57:36.360 about the Bible

00:57:36.980 all of the other stuff

00:57:38.460 they're saying

00:57:38.900 well the Bible says this

00:57:40.040 or the Bible says this

00:57:41.100 because if they were

00:57:42.100 willing to use the Bible

00:57:43.340 to mislead you

00:57:44.200 in this area

00:57:45.060 where else are they

00:57:46.420 willing to use the Bible

00:57:47.640 to mislead you?

00:57:48.620 You have heard

00:57:49.400 that it was said

00:57:50.100 you shall not commit

00:57:51.320 adultery

00:57:51.900 but I tell you

00:57:52.960 that anyone who looks

00:57:54.120 at a woman lustfully

00:57:55.300 has already committed

00:57:56.600 adultery within his heart

00:57:58.040 if your right eye

00:57:59.220 causes you to stumble

00:58:00.200 gouge it out

00:58:01.320 and throw it away

00:58:02.220 it is better for you

00:58:03.460 to lose one part

00:58:04.540 of your body

00:58:05.120 than for your whole body

00:58:06.440 to be thrown into hell

00:58:07.560 and for your right hand

00:58:09.140 causes you to stumble

00:58:10.160 cut it off

00:58:11.000 and throw it away

00:58:11.660 it is better for you

00:58:12.740 to lose one part

00:58:13.900 of your body

00:58:14.380 than for you to

00:58:15.080 throw the whole thing

00:58:15.900 in hell

00:58:16.220 so do you really think

00:58:17.960 Jesus means for you

00:58:19.000 to rip out

00:58:20.000 your eyeball

00:58:21.200 because you accidentally

00:58:23.560 looked at a woman

00:58:24.740 with lust

00:58:25.440 no do you really

00:58:26.860 do you really believe

00:58:28.680 that's the rule

00:58:30.460 being set in place here

00:58:31.640 no it sounds like

00:58:32.660 he's clearly trying

00:58:33.540 to point out

00:58:34.220 that humans

00:58:35.320 are wretched

00:58:35.780 flawed

00:58:36.500 sinful beings

00:58:37.780 and that to

00:58:39.520 try to be perfect

00:58:42.480 is kind of ridiculous

00:58:43.280 right

00:58:43.720 isn't that what he's saying

00:58:44.740 yeah he's trying

00:58:44.980 to show you

00:58:45.740 the ridiculousness

00:58:47.620 of trying to follow

00:58:49.360 these rules

00:58:50.180 in that way

00:58:51.000 if you don't believe

00:58:52.620 that that's what's

00:58:53.280 being said here

00:58:54.120 if you believe

00:58:55.700 Jesus is actually

00:58:57.280 commanding

00:58:58.100 you

00:58:58.860 to rip out

00:59:00.120 your eyeball

00:59:01.080 if you have ever

00:59:02.420 looked at a woman

00:59:03.140 lustfully

00:59:03.740 go ahead

00:59:05.600 right

00:59:06.520 take out those eyes

00:59:07.880 put them on the table

00:59:09.200 because I know

00:59:10.180 you have

00:59:10.760 I know everyone has

00:59:12.460 Jesus knows you have

00:59:14.260 don't be an

00:59:16.380 effing moron

00:59:17.820 in the way

00:59:18.520 you read things

00:59:19.460 to argue for some

00:59:20.280 deontological approach

00:59:21.500 that was clearly

00:59:22.180 not meant in the

00:59:23.040 original text

00:59:24.080 Jesus did not

00:59:25.760 actually want

00:59:26.640 every man

00:59:27.620 who had ever

00:59:28.120 looked at a woman

00:59:28.700 lustfully

00:59:29.120 to rip out their eyes

00:59:30.520 okay

00:59:31.280 and I would note here

00:59:33.340 that even

00:59:34.180 with this framing

00:59:35.640 we are still

00:59:37.040 not saying

00:59:37.580 that people should

00:59:38.060 break it

00:59:38.460 because we are

00:59:39.560 not saying

00:59:40.340 look at a woman

00:59:41.600 lustfully

00:59:42.200 we are limiting

00:59:43.280 guilt-free

00:59:43.880 masturbation

00:59:44.520 to only

00:59:45.800 AI

00:59:47.340 and drawn stuff

00:59:48.740 so you are not

00:59:50.860 looking at a woman

00:59:51.440 lustfully

00:59:51.840 so it doesn't

00:59:52.720 break the rules

00:59:53.400 yeah

00:59:54.000 well also

00:59:55.560 it just

00:59:56.180 especially these days

00:59:57.480 it is more dangerous

00:59:58.820 than ever

00:59:59.620 to be involved

01:00:00.560 or

01:00:01.200 get into

01:00:02.960 we will say

01:00:04.020 live action

01:00:04.800 erotic material

01:00:05.700 because

01:00:06.480 that is more

01:00:07.600 moving in the

01:00:08.180 direction

01:00:08.600 of

01:00:09.480 OnlyFans

01:00:10.560 and

01:00:11.200 other

01:00:12.140 sites

01:00:13.360 that have you

01:00:14.040 interacting

01:00:14.740 directly

01:00:15.280 with a

01:00:15.780 live person

01:00:16.940 and developing

01:00:17.620 a parasocial

01:00:18.420 relationship

01:00:19.000 and that actually

01:00:20.320 becomes quite a

01:00:21.100 very real

01:00:21.940 financial relationship

01:00:23.500 in which you are

01:00:24.680 undergoing a huge

01:00:26.920 opportunity cost

01:00:28.000 to invest

01:00:28.840 in what starts

01:00:29.680 out as

01:00:30.380 basically

01:00:31.040 porn consumption

01:00:33.480 and masturbation

01:00:34.340 and then becomes

01:00:35.260 a relationship

01:00:36.040 in which you are

01:00:37.040 being basically

01:00:37.940 a sugar daddy

01:00:38.700 to someone else

01:00:39.540 and also

01:00:40.300 getting this

01:00:40.860 feeling like

01:00:41.480 you are

01:00:41.880 getting a

01:00:42.320 girlfriend

01:00:42.580 experience

01:00:43.140 and being

01:00:43.700 in a

01:00:43.920 relationship

01:00:44.360 when you're

01:00:44.780 not

01:00:45.140 so you are

01:00:46.140 just

01:00:46.460 throwing

01:00:47.160 away

01:00:47.700 your

01:00:48.460 mental

01:00:49.100 processing

01:00:49.640 power

01:00:50.020 for a

01:00:50.560 relationship

01:00:51.100 you're making

01:00:52.200 now

01:00:52.560 the

01:00:53.020 there's

01:00:54.400 like that's

01:00:55.100 part of why

01:00:55.760 we have this

01:00:56.280 additional

01:00:56.640 restriction

01:00:57.180 no girls

01:00:58.620 so you don't

01:00:59.540 form these

01:01:00.220 okay

01:01:00.820 Leviticus 16

01:01:03.340 quote

01:01:04.180 when a man has

01:01:05.240 an emission of

01:01:05.800 semen

01:01:06.040 he must

01:01:06.760 bathe his

01:01:07.380 whole body

01:01:07.920 with water

01:01:08.400 and he will

01:01:09.640 be unclean

01:01:10.520 till evening

01:01:11.220 and any

01:01:12.320 clothing or

01:01:12.900 leather that

01:01:13.620 his semen is

01:01:14.240 on must be

01:01:14.860 washed with

01:01:15.360 water

01:01:15.680 and it will

01:01:16.440 be unclean

01:01:16.960 till evening

01:01:17.420 when a man

01:01:18.160 has sexual

01:01:18.680 relations with

01:01:19.320 a woman

01:01:19.760 and there is

01:01:20.540 an emission

01:01:20.820 of semen

01:01:21.240 both of them

01:01:22.240 must bathe

01:01:22.980 with water

01:01:23.960 and they will

01:01:24.980 be unclean

01:01:25.500 till evening

01:01:25.960 so what is

01:01:27.040 this saying

01:01:27.580 that a man

01:01:29.160 having an

01:01:29.620 emission

01:01:29.780 because it's

01:01:30.240 categorizing two

01:01:30.920 different instances

01:01:31.520 here

01:01:31.840 one in which a

01:01:32.940 man has an

01:01:33.880 emission of

01:01:34.260 semen

01:01:34.460 one in which

01:01:35.260 man has an

01:01:35.620 emission of

01:01:35.980 semen

01:01:36.160 with a

01:01:36.940 woman

01:01:37.180 and they are

01:01:38.460 both categorized

01:01:39.580 as the same

01:01:40.460 type of

01:01:41.020 uncleanliness

01:01:41.760 so it is

01:01:42.840 saying that

01:01:43.720 masturbating

01:01:44.480 as just an

01:01:45.720 unclean an

01:01:46.460 act

01:01:46.840 as sleeping

01:01:47.760 with your

01:01:48.120 wife

01:01:48.460 now if you

01:01:50.120 read earlier

01:01:50.800 in this same

01:01:51.460 chapter

01:01:51.880 it talks about

01:01:53.140 an additional

01:01:54.060 level of

01:01:54.820 uncleanliness

01:01:55.480 this is someone

01:01:55.960 you like shouldn't

01:01:56.620 talk touch

01:01:57.380 you shouldn't

01:01:57.780 interact with

01:01:58.360 these are people

01:01:59.420 who have blocked

01:02:00.320 their emissions

01:02:01.060 now I will

01:02:02.580 note that this

01:02:03.520 could be read

01:02:04.160 as a disease

01:02:04.960 because it

01:02:05.600 talks about

01:02:05.940 unusual emissions

01:02:06.920 or blocked

01:02:07.640 emissions

01:02:07.960 but you could

01:02:09.240 read this as

01:02:09.940 saying that

01:02:10.840 blocking emissions

01:02:12.180 i.e. not

01:02:13.460 regularly

01:02:14.020 masturbating as

01:02:14.920 a young man

01:02:15.580 makes you

01:02:16.360 more unclean

01:02:17.780 than regular

01:02:18.700 sex or

01:02:19.360 masturbation

01:02:20.040 and makes you

01:02:20.920 the type of

01:02:21.520 person people

01:02:21.980 probably shouldn't

01:02:22.600 be interacting

01:02:23.120 with which I

01:02:24.160 agree with

01:02:24.800 Leviticus

01:02:25.860 way to go

01:02:26.980 now let's go

01:02:28.460 with Corinthians

01:02:29.200 618

01:02:30.660 flee from

01:02:31.660 sexual immorality

01:02:32.620 all other

01:02:33.620 sins a person

01:02:34.320 commits are

01:02:34.960 outside the

01:02:35.520 body but

01:02:36.200 whoever sins

01:02:36.900 sexually sins

01:02:37.960 against their

01:02:38.420 own body

01:02:38.860 end quote

01:02:39.280 people will

01:02:39.740 say except

01:02:40.780 it is very

01:02:41.340 clear in

01:02:41.760 context that

01:02:42.300 this is not

01:02:42.660 talking about

01:02:43.200 all forms of

01:02:43.800 sexual impropriety

01:02:44.500 but prostitution

01:02:45.140 specifically that

01:02:46.100 comes immediately

01:02:46.920 after the line

01:02:47.720 quote do you

01:02:48.540 not know that

01:02:49.160 your bodies are

01:02:49.900 members of

01:02:50.360 Christ himself

01:02:50.920 shall I take

01:02:52.020 the members of

01:02:52.580 Christ and

01:02:53.280 unite them with

01:02:53.900 a prostitute

01:02:54.520 never do you

01:02:55.860 not know that

01:02:56.960 he who unites

01:02:57.640 himself with a

01:02:58.240 prostitute is

01:02:59.140 one with her

01:02:59.660 body for it

01:03:00.540 is said the

01:03:01.440 two will become

01:03:02.300 one flesh but

01:03:03.220 whoever is united

01:03:03.960 with the Lord

01:03:04.520 will be one with

01:03:05.080 him in spirit

01:03:05.600 and yes the

01:03:06.520 prostitutes are

01:03:07.220 a unique form of

01:03:07.880 sin especially in

01:03:08.860 ancient times

01:03:09.440 because you risk

01:03:10.400 getting them

01:03:10.880 pregnant and

01:03:11.380 creating an

01:03:11.760 unwanted child

01:03:12.600 quote do you

01:03:14.360 not know that

01:03:15.720 your bodies are

01:03:16.400 members of

01:03:16.820 Christ himself

01:03:17.360 end quote

01:03:17.820 except your

01:03:18.400 body is not

01:03:19.220 Christ's body

01:03:19.960 so what is this

01:03:20.820 talking about

01:03:21.200 here this is

01:03:21.580 talking about the

01:03:21.860 intergenerational

01:03:22.620 concept of

01:03:23.860 martyrdom in which

01:03:24.920 case yes you are

01:03:25.700 literally Christ's

01:03:26.660 body but

01:03:27.480 also consider

01:03:28.180 the line

01:03:28.700 do you not

01:03:30.420 know that he

01:03:32.080 who unites

01:03:32.580 himself with a

01:03:33.380 prostitute is

01:03:34.160 one with her

01:03:34.660 body for it is

01:03:35.700 said that the

01:03:36.380 two will become

01:03:36.860 one flesh but

01:03:37.720 whoever is united

01:03:38.400 with the Lord is

01:03:39.260 one with him in

01:03:39.740 spirit except you

01:03:41.680 are not one body

01:03:43.040 with a prostitute

01:03:43.660 when you have sex

01:03:44.260 with her that's a

01:03:44.900 ridiculous thing you

01:03:45.860 don't become one

01:03:46.580 body with someone

01:03:47.340 if you like at

01:03:48.240 what point are you

01:03:49.000 one body when

01:03:49.620 your penis goes in

01:03:51.060 her when you're you

01:03:51.800 know like obviously

01:03:53.120 not however you do

01:03:55.060 become one body

01:03:55.940 with her and

01:03:56.900 one soul with

01:03:57.700 her if you

01:03:58.340 create a child

01:03:59.300 with her this

01:04:01.080 isn't warning

01:04:01.820 against sexual

01:04:02.920 immorality from

01:04:04.080 the perspective of

01:04:04.780 sexual release

01:04:05.660 it's warning

01:04:06.860 against sexual

01:04:07.480 immorality where

01:04:08.400 you become one

01:04:09.480 body and one

01:04:10.420 soul with somebody

01:04:11.360 else i.e.

01:04:12.460 create a new

01:04:13.300 human being

01:04:14.400 the bible

01:04:15.740 isn't stupid

01:04:17.540 okay the bible

01:04:19.660 would be stupid

01:04:20.700 if it thought two

01:04:21.460 people became one

01:04:22.340 person when they

01:04:22.980 were having sex

01:04:23.740 because that

01:04:24.520 obviously doesn't

01:04:25.420 happen but it

01:04:27.100 obviously does

01:04:28.100 happen that two

01:04:28.780 people having sex

01:04:29.520 have the potential

01:04:30.540 to create one

01:04:32.320 new unified

01:04:32.960 whole finally a

01:04:35.580 note on killing

01:04:36.560 through masturbation

01:04:37.460 that i want to go

01:04:37.920 to through here

01:04:38.580 because so when

01:04:39.700 somebody says to

01:04:40.420 me that an

01:04:41.480 embryo is a human

01:04:42.820 life they often

01:04:44.400 leave out one

01:04:45.280 little caveat here

01:04:46.100 they go an

01:04:47.100 embryo is a human

01:04:47.780 life when you put

01:04:50.000 it in a woman's

01:04:50.580 womb and it's

01:04:51.700 like well yes that

01:04:52.960 is true and

01:04:54.260 then they're

01:04:54.480 like well sperm

01:04:55.000 and eggs aren't

01:04:55.780 really a human

01:04:56.640 life yet and it's

01:04:58.500 like well i mean

01:04:59.780 but they are when

01:05:00.520 you put them in a

01:05:01.100 woman's womb right

01:05:02.920 so the asset that

01:05:05.560 turns things into

01:05:07.900 life that creates

01:05:09.180 human life is the

01:05:11.000 woman's womb right

01:05:12.400 you're playing a

01:05:13.300 little trick so

01:05:13.920 either you have to

01:05:14.760 admit that both

01:05:15.940 sperm and egg are

01:05:17.340 equally as human as

01:05:19.240 an embryo because

01:05:20.260 they both become

01:05:20.860 humans when you put

01:05:21.420 them in a human's

01:05:21.880 womb

01:05:22.060 or you have to

01:05:24.580 admit that they

01:05:24.980 both fall into a

01:05:26.120 secondary category

01:05:27.580 of things that

01:05:28.980 might become human

01:05:31.100 if put in a

01:05:32.220 woman's womb

01:05:32.780 well here is where

01:05:34.460 this becomes a

01:05:35.180 problem with

01:05:36.220 arguments against

01:05:37.140 things like IVF

01:05:38.320 if i turn the

01:05:41.980 sperm that my body

01:05:42.840 might produce and

01:05:43.680 the eggs your body

01:05:44.460 might produce and i

01:05:45.560 create embryos for

01:05:46.480 them which are now

01:05:47.060 in the same category

01:05:48.020 of sperm versus

01:05:48.720 eggs in Catholic

01:05:49.480 world because they're

01:05:50.020 saying no okay i'll

01:05:50.940 categorize these

01:05:51.540 things it's the

01:05:51.900 same thing well i

01:05:54.580 can create more

01:05:56.460 children per emission

01:05:58.980 than they can i could

01:06:01.780 masturbate once and

01:06:03.980 then that single

01:06:05.620 masturbation can become

01:06:07.580 20 30 kids you know

01:06:09.860 when you're using IVF

01:06:11.360 right and so they

01:06:13.300 would have a moral

01:06:14.000 mandate if they

01:06:14.900 actually believed this

01:06:16.120 to only use IVF but

01:06:18.640 of course they don't

01:06:19.900 really believe that

01:06:21.280 they don't really

01:06:22.100 believe they're

01:06:22.820 killing millions of

01:06:24.180 humans every time

01:06:25.420 they masturbate so

01:06:27.220 if this line of

01:06:27.900 argument was a little

01:06:28.600 difficult for you to

01:06:29.260 follow i will use

01:06:30.560 different words to

01:06:31.580 explain it essentially

01:06:32.500 what i'm doing is i'm

01:06:33.800 explaining a third

01:06:35.060 hypothetical position

01:06:36.240 that an individual

01:06:37.000 might take an

01:06:38.360 individual might say

01:06:39.360 that it is immoral

01:06:40.520 to masturbate because

01:06:41.700 you are producing

01:06:42.740 semen which might one

01:06:44.600 day become a human

01:06:45.600 being in the same

01:06:46.860 way an embryo might

01:06:48.080 one day become a

01:06:48.900 human being if it

01:06:50.220 was placed within a

01:06:51.000 woman's womb so the

01:06:51.940 first part of the

01:06:52.640 argument here is i was

01:06:53.820 actually arguing for

01:06:55.160 their position i was

01:06:56.440 saying if you argue

01:06:57.320 that anything that

01:06:58.380 might become a human

01:06:59.140 being when put in a

01:07:00.220 woman's womb should be

01:07:01.420 treated as murdering a

01:07:02.860 human being i.e. some

01:07:05.000 individuals are like

01:07:05.820 well an embryo could

01:07:07.660 eventually become a

01:07:08.640 human being if put in

01:07:09.940 a woman's womb therefore

01:07:11.660 we should be treating

01:07:12.560 it as if terminating an

01:07:14.840 embryo is the same as

01:07:16.320 terminating a living

01:07:17.540 thinking fetus then

01:07:19.380 you are forced into

01:07:20.540 the ethical position

01:07:21.700 that both sperms and

01:07:23.980 eggs because they also

01:07:25.360 like an embryo become a

01:07:27.300 living thinking fetus

01:07:28.460 when put in a woman's

01:07:29.520 womb are things of

01:07:31.520 value equivalent of a

01:07:33.800 fetus's or adult

01:07:34.960 human's life or maybe

01:07:37.360 like half that value or

01:07:39.140 something i don't know

01:07:39.680 however you're doing the

01:07:40.520 equation but however you

01:07:41.380 do the equation you're

01:07:42.440 still like half murdering

01:07:43.740 someone well if you

01:07:45.400 believe that then you

01:07:46.900 sort of end up getting

01:07:47.800 forced to use IVF

01:07:49.620 because it means when

01:07:50.880 you're having piv

01:07:51.840 intercourse there are

01:07:53.380 millions of individual

01:07:55.100 sperms dying which you

01:07:57.060 could prevent through

01:07:58.560 just masturbating once

01:08:00.400 collecting your semen

01:08:01.640 using it to fertilize a

01:08:03.140 series of embryos and

01:08:04.640 planting those embryos

01:08:05.880 and then never

01:08:06.800 masturbating again in

01:08:07.780 your life now this seems

01:08:10.760 really silly to me which

01:08:13.300 we'll get to why in

01:08:14.220 just a second but that

01:08:16.100 is the position you are

01:08:17.540 forced into so so to

01:08:20.200 take me if i do every

01:08:21.760 half every time my wife

01:08:23.080 can do a cycle over a

01:08:24.760 period of say 10 years i

01:08:26.520 will have eight kids

01:08:27.540 that's eight lives i

01:08:29.020 created because i used

01:08:31.120 the resources god gave

01:08:32.600 me to carry out his

01:08:33.620 command which was to

01:08:34.680 breathe fruitful and

01:08:35.500 multiply and said well

01:08:37.560 okay i know you gave me a

01:08:38.960 miracle that allowed me to

01:08:39.900 have more surviving

01:08:40.660 children but i'm gonna

01:08:41.600 turn that down i am

01:08:43.040 fully responsible for

01:08:44.280 those children who

01:08:44.940 didn't get to come to

01:08:45.760 exist word this a bit

01:08:47.680 differently the actual

01:08:49.180 asset which determines

01:08:50.480 how many humans come

01:08:51.940 into the world is not

01:08:53.720 the sperm and the eggs

01:08:55.440 it is the woman's uterus

01:08:58.120 if you use that uterus in

01:09:01.780 a way that is inefficient

01:09:03.260 you prevent humans souls

01:09:05.960 if you believe in them from

01:09:08.000 entering this world that

01:09:09.740 otherwise would have been

01:09:11.440 here so for example if i

01:09:14.640 inefficiently am just dead

01:09:17.620 fast on not using ivf my

01:09:20.680 wife is very likely to get

01:09:22.080 pregnant much fewer times

01:09:23.380 than she would get pregnant

01:09:24.520 if we are using ivf because

01:09:26.540 ivf allows you to have

01:09:28.020 healthy pregnancies much much

01:09:30.420 later now i i would note ivf

01:09:32.860 allows you to have heavy

01:09:33.600 pregnancies much later if

01:09:35.320 the embryos were created

01:09:38.340 when both of you were young

01:09:40.140 as we did with our embryos

01:09:42.040 because of this i'm likely

01:09:43.560 going to be able to have

01:09:44.300 probably around double the

01:09:46.120 number of kids i would have

01:09:47.260 been able to have if i was

01:09:49.060 only having uh regular piv

01:09:51.520 sex now for us it's different

01:09:54.140 because she can only have

01:09:55.720 children with ivf but i'm just

01:09:56.820 saying hypothetically if this

01:09:57.940 wasn't the case if we tried to

01:10:00.020 sort of max the number of kids

01:10:01.420 we were having was in her

01:10:02.260 fertility window we might end

01:10:04.100 up having four or five kids

01:10:06.180 if on the other hand i'm using

01:10:09.000 ivf we end up having 10 kids

01:10:12.280 well the problem is by making

01:10:15.120 the indulgent choice to only

01:10:17.760 create children through piv

01:10:20.240 intercourse i have chosen a

01:10:22.340 timeline in which those

01:10:23.500 additional five humans never

01:10:25.540 come to exist those additional

01:10:27.900 fetuses those additional

01:10:29.420 children the lives that they

01:10:31.220 live never come to exist and

01:10:33.380 we would argue that you are

01:10:35.280 morally responsible for this

01:10:37.440 indulgence you don't get to

01:10:40.000 shirk off the moral

01:10:40.860 responsibility for it now you

01:10:42.720 might say you cannot bear

01:10:44.360 moral responsibility for a

01:10:46.260 human that doesn't exist yet

01:10:47.900 because they have no moral

01:10:49.280 weight yet however jeremiah

01:10:51.160 1 5 says that god knew us

01:10:54.060 before we were in our mother's

01:10:55.820 womb which shows that that's

01:10:58.860 the way that god looks at these

01:11:00.560 moral calculations that we exist

01:11:04.080 before we are in our mother's

01:11:06.480 womb we exist at the point that

01:11:08.880 there is a potentiality that we

01:11:11.400 could come to exist so there were

01:11:13.480 those who would argue that when we

01:11:15.260 say something like in our framing of

01:11:17.280 sexuality or when life begins that

01:11:19.820 we are moving in the direction of the

01:11:22.500 urban monoculture and away from

01:11:24.060 strict interpretations of the bible

01:11:25.660 when actually the opposite is true we

01:11:28.640 are trying to move for a stricter

01:11:31.100 interpretation of the bible which

01:11:33.180 instead of moving away from the

01:11:36.000 quote-unquote conservative

01:11:37.780 traditionalist christian standpoint

01:11:39.440 towards the urban monoculture is

01:11:41.920 going in a completely orthogonal or

01:11:44.800 maybe even opposite direction in that

01:11:47.540 what we believe is required of a

01:11:49.940 person is actually much much

01:11:52.780 stricter than what they would think is

01:11:55.960 required of an individual these

01:11:58.140 interpretations around when life

01:12:00.100 begins are much more onerous in

01:12:02.300 terms of the sacrifices you have to

01:12:03.820 make as an individual than the old

01:12:06.240 interpretations they are just also

01:12:08.520 efficacious and in line with what's

01:12:11.640 actually in the bible and i think that

01:12:13.000 that's also really important here is

01:12:14.740 that it matters that nowhere in the

01:12:17.200 bible does it say that you shouldn't

01:12:18.640 masturbate and in fact there are

01:12:20.240 several lines that would make it seem

01:12:22.140 that it's actually quite bad to not

01:12:23.900 masturbate for example the line about

01:12:26.140 individuals with blocked emissions

01:12:27.980 being extra extra extra unclean and

01:12:30.980 the line that says that a man issuing

01:12:33.980 an emission without a woman around is of

01:12:36.880 the same moral weight as him issuing an

01:12:39.780 emission with his wife that to me seems

01:12:42.420 pretty clearly to state that these things

01:12:45.460 are of the same moral weight and so if god

01:12:49.040 wanted strict rules around this stuff why

01:12:51.880 didn't he ever mention it anywhere in the

01:12:54.400 bible anywhere in the bible and then you

01:12:56.320 have to say oh well maybe somebody else

01:12:59.040 wanted strict rules around this stuff and

01:13:01.120 it's like aha yes because it used to be

01:13:03.640 important to have strict rules around

01:13:05.220 this stuff when you're dealing with like

01:13:06.740 medieval prostitutes and stuff but that

01:13:08.380 is not the world we live in today and by

01:13:10.740 the way that stuff was warned about in

01:13:12.240 the bible when you demarcate masturbation

01:13:15.300 as having the exact same negative moral

01:13:17.400 weight as sleeping with a prostitute or

01:13:20.080 premarital sex you create a scenario in

01:13:23.940 which when a young person is like well i'm

01:13:25.880 gonna break the rules anyway they end up

01:13:28.040 breaking them in horrifyingly more

01:13:30.820 dangerous ways than they otherwise might and

01:13:34.500 so we instead would advocate for kids for our

01:13:39.820 offspring to focus their useful sexual

01:13:43.620 energy on something that is not going to

01:13:46.660 accidentally get somebody pregnant or

01:13:49.420 accidentally put them in a dangerous legal

01:13:53.200 situation or lead them to making very bad

01:13:57.120 decisions around who they marry i.e.

01:13:59.160 marrying somebody because they think they're

01:14:00.920 hot so the final rules around masturbation is

01:14:04.400 masturbation to generate pleasure in human

01:14:06.600 uh simul using human simulacrums like drawing

01:14:09.660 things and stuff like that that's okay images

01:14:11.400 books text chats etc but real women should be

01:14:14.700 avoided premarital or extramarital sex should

01:14:17.580 only be had for reasons benefiting one's

01:14:19.940 objective function and never for pleasure

01:14:21.860 as the primary motivation so that's where we

01:14:23.880 are much stricter on sexuality than traditional

01:14:26.120 christian frameworks which is to say that

01:14:28.060 you can have sex but you need to be having

01:14:29.920 it for a reason other than just pleasure

01:14:32.540 now that reason can be bonding with your

01:14:33.980 spouse or that reason be something more

01:14:36.500 machiavellian but it it has to be for a

01:14:39.500 reason sex for pleasure is sinful but you

01:14:44.380 have this additional access category now this

01:14:47.240 creates a lot of positive externalities we

01:14:49.900 have to release the moral negative

01:14:51.540 externality of the prostitution it released

01:14:53.740 the probability that somebody will try to

01:14:54.960 control you through sexuality all right

01:14:56.840 simone so we didn't really get a chance to

01:14:58.740 discuss the long-term consequences of these

01:15:01.480 new rules at the end of this but this new

01:15:03.640 framing i think is really important for

01:15:05.240 modern technological context so i want to

01:15:07.500 explain it more okay why because a lot of

01:15:11.000 people could see this as a loosening of

01:15:12.340 restrictions but it's actually a strengthening

01:15:14.080 of a specific set of restrictions while

01:15:16.060 loosening another set of restrictions to

01:15:17.740 make that strengthening realistic

01:15:19.260 specifically we are strengthening the

01:15:22.360 restrictions on never having sex purely for

01:15:25.960 pleasure yeah and somebody could be like

01:15:28.900 what's the advantage of that and how does

01:15:31.060 this other system help why is it okay to

01:15:33.600 saturate like why is it okay to say all the

01:15:35.440 porn you want so long as it's not using real

01:15:38.600 people well one you do not appear to be able

01:15:41.360 to turn off anyone's like instinctual desires

01:15:43.920 so for example if i am same-sex attracted

01:15:46.960 there is nothing that appears to be able to

01:15:49.840 lessen that except for one thing do you

01:15:53.840 remember what that one thing is simone

01:15:55.180 over saturation over saturation so if i am

01:15:59.580 same-sex attracted i should be able to be

01:16:01.720 able to happily live a life with an opposite

01:16:04.500 gender individual if i can masturbate all the

01:16:07.740 time if i contextualize the point of the

01:16:10.780 marriage as not being about who i married

01:16:13.440 like like the sex right like they could be

01:16:15.640 gay as well or they could be you know but the

01:16:18.000 kids themselves and somebody can be like that's

01:16:20.320 horrifying it's horrifying from the perspective

01:16:23.660 of the urban monoculture because if you are a parent like

01:16:29.460 whiz kids if somebody asked you and i guarantee

01:16:33.500 every parent here could say this okay you get a choice you either never get to

01:16:37.980 have sex again or we take away your kids

01:16:40.860 oh no one yeah no one is gonna settle for sex

01:16:47.580 yeah actually well don't say no one people are very disappointing

01:16:51.260 weird psychopaths but what i'm saying is is like

01:16:54.460 largely speaking you realize is a sexual part of your life is just one stage of

01:16:59.500 your life and it's not the way once you have kids your biology sort of changes

01:17:03.660 and you begin to reorient around the next generation and the way you think of

01:17:07.320 yourself the way you think about pleasure all changes

01:17:09.200 and this framing will begin to make perfect sense you're like oh yeah that's

01:17:14.780 why you do that and it and again i'm not saying that

01:17:18.480 necessarily for my kids i'd be against gay marriage but i would recommend to

01:17:22.800 them even if they are gay that they consider that it might be much easier

01:17:26.260 just from a cost perspective to be heterosexually married and

01:17:30.940 masturbate their sexual instincts through like well literal masturbation

01:17:34.420 and somebody can be like well how dare you tell somebody to not do whatever

01:17:37.720 turns them on whatever it turns them on and i'm like well i mean you've got to

01:17:41.080 consider that actually a huge chunk of the population is turned on by like

01:17:44.100 hurting people um and i'll add the statistics here

01:17:48.080 but like should they do and they're like no of course

01:17:50.980 so to put the numbers i'm about to read in context in a 2021 survey three

01:17:55.500 percent of the global population identifies as gay

01:17:58.040 and around 5.5 percent of the u.s population identify as lgbt

01:18:04.240 so what percent of women are turned on by seeing somebody humiliated

01:18:10.600 15 20 for men for women seeing a person portrayed as disposable 8 8 for men

01:18:18.040 seeing a person dehumanized women 11 men 13 seeing a person betrayed women 11

01:18:24.220 men 8 seeing somebody be a slave 16 for women 22 for men seeing a person be

01:18:31.780 consumed by another person or thing 2 for women 3 for men so there you're

01:18:37.760 getting around like global gay rates uh snuff seeing somebody die 3 for women

01:18:43.120 4 for men so again equivalent to global rates of people who identify as gay now

01:18:48.020 just because somebody thinks it's hot when somebody is a slave or dies does

01:18:53.460 that mean that they should have the right for that to happen

01:18:56.380 no for some more numbers here a female crying

01:19:00.500 14 of women 13 of men actually a little surprise that number is higher for women

01:19:05.420 than men that's interesting causing physical pain

01:19:08.320 13 for women 17 for men humiliation 15 for women 20 for men

01:19:14.080 so again you can see here just because something turns on a large group of people

01:19:19.800 doesn't mean that we should just go out and do that thing it doesn't mean that we

01:19:25.800 should have a societal mandate for that thing to be acted upon now if you're the

01:19:30.120 type of individual who doesn't have any of these arousal patterns and you're

01:19:33.360 looking at these numbers and you're horrified something i would commit to you

01:19:37.560 from the research that we've gone over today is if you remove the types of pornography

01:19:43.880 that are designed to masturbate these specific pathways it is very clear in the data that people

01:19:50.820 will find other ways to masturbate these pathways using real human beings that's why it's so important

01:19:57.400 to not put restrictions on these types of pornography now as a side note here you might say well

01:20:03.340 how dare you compare this to being gay because being gay doesn't hurt anyone and it's like well

01:20:10.180 being gay doesn't hurt anyone when you're still able to bring your children into existence

01:20:14.200 but if being gay makes it impossible for you to have kids denies people who otherwise would have had the

01:20:21.160 chance to live their right to exist then yeah it does hurt other people so i'd say that my relationship

01:20:29.740 was the morality of gay relationships is both due to tied to the amount of resources those individuals

01:20:36.820 have and the amount of technology that we have access to at any given time period that allows

01:20:41.680 them to still have kids or not have kids and you might look at this and be like how could you value

01:20:47.320 the you know somebody who's not born yet and it reminds me of one of my cousins where she was like

01:20:52.580 well if you have fewer kids if you stop having kids now your existing kids will get to go on more

01:20:57.780 vacations and do more fun stuff and i was thinking i hope she remembers that as she gets to meet the

01:21:04.940 kids who she wished never existed as they go to family reunions as they grow up as they start college

01:21:12.360 those are human beings that she will form relationships with and she will realize the genuine

01:21:19.420 harm that she was wishing on somebody she now has a relationship with this moral framework where we

01:21:27.560 just discount 81's well-being just because they haven't been born yet i think is really really

01:21:33.620 harmful and if you find this type of data interesting we go over way way more than this

01:21:39.040 the pragmatist guide to sexuality and it retails for like a dollar on amazon we don't really make

01:21:43.120 any money on it all of it goes to our non-profit which is working on the school and stuff the the

01:21:47.420 pittance that we do make it's you know just for data nerds i guess but i'm like well should they be

01:21:53.240 allowed to like masturbate and a lot of people are like oh yeah of course like do that through

01:21:56.200 through masturbation right and it's like well like what's the f is the difference here

01:22:00.760 right it's it's it's it's how how inappropriate is this for society or how much did this like

01:22:09.040 mess with is society i mean what are your thoughts on this simone the idea of reframing because if you

01:22:16.880 reframe sexuality around utility rather than pleasure sex just for pleasure is a bad thing

01:22:21.880 then you as a married partner might actually end up in a dead bedroom scenario less likely like

01:22:27.500 someone could be like wouldn't this cause dead bedrooms and i'm like actually it would lead to

01:22:30.560 dead bedrooms less because the wife understands that her duty towards sex is not for the pleasure

01:22:38.460 that she may get for it even if she finds it unpleasurable it's for the chemical bonding that

01:22:42.860 it creates between the couple oh yeah i mean you and i may find this just so normalized already

01:22:50.180 because we've already completely separated out of necessity the concept of procreative sex and the

01:22:57.360 concept of of like couple bonding sex because we have to do ivf to have our kids so none of our kids

01:23:03.620 are created by 2060 50 of the people in the developed world are going to be infertile like well

01:23:08.820 a lot of a lot of couples we know who can absolutely have kids naturally are still choosing

01:23:13.920 to to have their kids with ivf and there's a lot of reasons that people might want to do that

01:23:18.100 like health related reasons for even just the children so like you know you're gonna your kids

01:23:23.860 are gonna have better outcomes sort of health risk wise if you create them with younger eggs and sperm

01:23:30.300 than with older eggs and sperm so it makes a lot of sense even for perfectly like a technophilic family

01:23:35.020 and you want like a really large number of kids you are always better doing ivf and taking like a

01:23:40.760 year to just do like five cycles of ivf and just create tons of embryos and then use those in the

01:23:44.820 future although if you all the single guys listening to this who may not already have a partner and may

01:23:50.260 not have the ability to create embryos embryos now freeze your sperm freeze your sperm this it is only

01:23:56.520 going to get worse it's only going to go downhill actually frozen sperm and eggs don't do very well

01:24:00.940 it's almost a scam well no frozen sperm does better think about all the people who've created

01:24:06.500 embryos using sperm donors too so the the poster child of ivf it was this woman who was in all

01:24:12.820 the newspapers and she did an ivf cycle and she got something like 12 eggs from the cycle not unusual

01:24:17.660 for an ivf cycle yeah when she was 40 she decided she wanted to have kids and none of them worked out

01:24:22.760 well yeah women women it's harder and also yeah 12 eggs is is nothing no you really if you're a woman

01:24:29.040 you need to do like five or six cycles yeah no if you're wrong but i said all the single guys i

01:24:33.560 didn't say girls i said free sperm not eggs oh sorry i'm not mad oh i'm not mad by the way for

01:24:42.400 people out there oh you're monsters biblically speaking for creating lots of embryos because

01:24:46.200 the bible says life begins at conception it absolutely does not it says i knew you before you were in your

01:24:50.600 mother's womb it says that life begins before conception and if you lower the number of kids you're

01:24:54.720 having you're denying people the right to exist that otherwise would have existed based on your choices

01:24:58.640 i'm just saying we talk about this all the time yes anyway back to the topic though i really do

01:25:04.020 think that separating things these things out not just when it comes to human sexuality but almost

01:25:10.240 all aspects of life makes so much more sense like even just just do what makes most the most sense

01:25:16.880 in whatever context you know don't do something because everyone else does it do it because it seems

01:25:22.380 right to you don't like if eating breakfast at like 2 a.m in the morning is what works for you do it

01:25:30.080 and just it seems really weird to me that one partner is supposed to be just everything to a certain

01:25:37.700 extent for to the other for life like i also think that this rule around well you're allowed to have

01:25:44.220 sex whether it's premaritally to like i don't know maybe learn how to get better at sex because you think

01:25:48.600 you will be able to secure better partners that allows for a changing context where you're like

01:25:52.280 okay i'm having sex premaritally but i'm not doing it for pleasure i'm doing it to improve technique or

01:25:57.640 seduction ability and and that means that when i am doing this i am focused on those elements which is

01:26:02.700 actually what i was focused on when i was doing it i was like okay i need to get really good at this to

01:26:06.340 secure a good partner was one of the things i was always had in the back of my head but then the the

01:26:10.020 second thing is that it makes it so that you are there's like less loopholes so like an individual

01:26:18.300 could say okay so somebody holds a gun to your head and they say sleep with this person other than

01:26:22.620 your wife or i will kill your wife and kids if you go with the traditional morality you're like okay i

01:26:28.860 can't do that but if you go with this moral framework where it's like you are allowed to have

01:26:33.020 sex with other people but only if it's for the best interest of like your family's objective

01:26:38.340 but also think think about the number of marriages that are created on really thin and bad ground

01:26:44.800 because they're really created for sex and not for yeah partnership and if people were to just

01:26:51.580 completely unparse sex from partnership and i and i like what you were saying there with regard to

01:26:58.860 sexual orientation as well what i was actually thinking was there are probably quite a few

01:27:04.880 like straight women who would also love to have kids who if they could just find the right

01:27:11.900 partnership with another straight woman but not make it about sex or marriage or romance just make

01:27:16.400 it about kid raising partnership could just do a great job like that we will have another video on

01:27:22.760 single parenthoods gay parenthoods going over all the statistics i just haven't collected all the data yet

01:27:27.080 oh okay no we should definitely do that but yeah i just feel like we could piece together so many

01:27:33.020 really optimal situations that are customized to people's unique circumstances if we just decoupled

01:27:39.040 some things and to a certain extent i'm really against to these days the concept of atomization you

01:27:44.420 know the fact that to a great extent modernity and progressive culture and the government and

01:27:50.220 bureaucracies have atomized the human and separated them out from their support network separated them out from

01:27:55.600 their communities and their religions and everything i i think that's bad but i also really do love

01:28:01.120 piecing together life on an a la carte basis and not doing stuff just because oh well we always have

01:28:07.380 to do this together and we always have to do that together it doesn't make sense yeah well i mean you

01:28:12.820 see this in our relationship i mean we sleep in different rooms of the house right like yeah because

01:28:16.540 it makes sense 2 a.m and you wake up at 5 a.m and i don't want to interrupt your sleep schedule

01:28:21.600 right so well and for example like when we go on vacation we don't actually eat out at restaurants

01:28:27.260 we save that for home because one the prices are lower and then we enjoy restaurants more while we're

01:28:31.840 at home whereas on vacation we're already out we're already staying for a place we paid for that is

01:28:35.900 nice like why would we yeah we go to the local grocery store which is different and we we eat

01:28:40.260 there so it's it's about separating things out in a way that makes sense instead of pairing them

01:28:45.680 them thematically the way that we are taught to as a society and i would go so far as to say that

01:28:50.240 i would actually be okay so people know that i think that one day when we have the genetic

01:28:54.140 technology we should maybe remove human arousal patterns if it turns out we can build a stable

01:28:58.800 society where people learn to only indulge in their arousal patterns around things that have

01:29:06.120 no negative externalities then i would be okay with humans keeping their arousal patterns i'd say

01:29:11.220 yeah that's fine we found a social technology that allows them but when i look today at groups that

01:29:17.240 are supposed to be suppressing all this like the the amish for example we see this horrible grape

01:29:21.320 epidemic or you know the the catholic preachers and we see this big problem with lots and lots of

01:29:27.780 you know situations you know probably shouldn't be situationing it doesn't look good for anyone

01:29:32.240 involved i mean if we just said okay preachers are allowed pornography the number of children who have

01:29:40.040 to go through this would be decreased by so so so much those are human beings every year who are

01:29:48.400 being spared this that are have to deal with this because we are dealing with maybe evil interpretations

01:29:54.380 of the bible that just don't necessarily work for our current time i'm just trying to say

01:29:59.660 that if we don't change then we might lose everyone to atheism what exactly do you suggest we change

01:30:06.380 well for one no sex with boys the holy document of law states that a priest cannot get married

01:30:14.620 so where are we to get our sex okay maybe we just need to forget about the galgamex for a second and

01:30:20.240 focus forget about the galgamex i'm just saying what works on planet galgamex isn't necessarily going

01:30:25.580 to work for the rest of us here on earth you see that's the problem we're having here but i want

01:30:30.620 to say also how beautiful this is in the bible was written in a way that its interpretation was the

01:30:36.240 most ethical behavioral set of rules for every era during the people era it really was good to not

01:30:43.640 be lusting after women other than your wife but in a modern era where you know you have ai and drawn

01:30:49.740 stuff and everything like that well it's not against the rules and it's not against the people

01:30:53.980 the bible can be interpreted two ways for two different technological contexts and isn't it a miracle

01:31:00.100 that it was written in a way where it could be interpreted these two ways almost supernatural

01:31:05.980 but it was written in that way anyway i love you to decimum any final thoughts

01:31:13.740 just that i love you any interpretations about this interpretation

01:31:18.220 no honestly no it just it just makes so much more sense and leads to so much less sin that i think in

01:31:25.780 the end when when in doubt and interpreting scripture or general concepts you look at the consequences

01:31:33.500 if one interpretation leads to more corruption more harm and more sin it's the wrong bible says it's best

01:31:40.340 by their fruits you will know them how do you know the correct interpretation it works if it leads to

01:31:47.560 mass child grape and cover-ups it's not the correct interpretation the bible tells us that easy peasy

01:31:54.340 right guys i love you simone i love you too okay i'm gonna run down what but the most important

01:32:03.820 thing and octavian you can come join us here it removes the possibility that you might end up

01:32:09.280 marrying someone because of how hot you thought they were and that and and so when you're thinking

01:32:14.560 about marrying them all you're thinking about is are they gonna make good kids you're not saying like

01:32:19.400 and subscribe you're not saying like and subscribe you're not saying like and subscribe

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