France & China New (Game Over) Fertility Data
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Fertility is in freefall in China and France, and we're here to talk about it. We talk about why this is so bad, and why we should be worried about it, and what we can do to prepare for it.
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France this year began to fall into freefall, or in this past couple of years, it's begun
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And it really can no longer be included in the club of countries that are resistant to
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What that would represent is a decline of 60% from 2016.
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This is the fertility equivalent of hyperinflation.
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It is the fertility equivalent of having to walk around with wheelbarrows to buy a loaf
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of bread, wheelbarrows full of cash, you know, when you hear about these situations.
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People do not understand the societal effects this is going to have.
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And anyone who's in one of these groups that is going to be targeted because of this, like
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the LGBT populations around the world, if you cannot fix this problem, if you cannot convince
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people who are okay with gay people existing to have kids at an above replacement fertility
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rate, you will be hunted down and systemically exterminated.
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And we're beginning to see the first waves of this.
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One of the really funny things that happened to us on a recent flight was over the speakers,
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they had to explain when the masks drop, you know, in case of a depressurization of the
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cabin, be sure to take off your mask before putting on the mask that's delivering oxygen.
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And I turned to Malcolm and I'm like, you know what?
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If you are so terrified about COVID still that you are wearing a mask and the cabin is depressurized
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and you try to put the oxygen mask over your mask-
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Like, the human civilization is better without you.
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And I salute your contribution for it by ducking out.
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Let nature play its course on this crashing air flight.
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Not that, like, you're going to survive anyway, but I guess, yeah, if the door blows out, never
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But yeah, that was a really astounding comment to take off here.
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So that must have meant that on this flight, one or more people put on an oxygen mask on
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This must have been when the door blew out because this was a new comment we'd never heard on
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And what do China and France have in common that is not a love of couture?
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Well, a recent fertility collapse, but I actually want to-
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The countries are very different, but we're going to talk about them together in this video
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And there's been new data from China that is really shocking to us.
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So China has historically been having a fertility collapse problem.
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It's just infinitely worse than anyone thought.
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The recent statistics show that in just the last eight years, the number of kids being
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And I'm going to post a graph here that shows how much year over year.
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But this means for like the past five years, you've had double digit declines in fertility
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But France has actually, along with the US, been one of the countries that has really bucked
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So the United States, as everyone knows, is one of the countries that actually has fertility
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The two other countries that really fit this, when you're talking about their, at least if
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you control for their wealth, have historically been Israel and France, right?
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So if we're talking about year over year decline in the US fertility rate, this last year, I think
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Well, France this year began to fall into free fall, or in this past couple of years, it's
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And it really can no longer be included in the club of countries that are resistant to
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So I'll post a graph on this screen, and we actually posted a meme of like the fire dog
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alongside this graph, because you can see, this is like a falling off a cliff fertility
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But also, you know, France registered, so we're going to post an article here, 678,000 births
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last year, representing a decrease of 7% from 2022, and down 20% from 2020.
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They are trying to give, they're actually doing a bunch of stuff that's going to make
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So let's talk about what they're doing, and then we can contrast this with some of the
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new things that we've learned that China is doing.
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I'm just out there telling them, what you're doing is not going to work.
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Well, what's interesting, too, is right now, of the news outlets that are reaching out
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to us about demographic collapse, the vast majority of them have been French recently.
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Like, France is aware of this, but they're like, oh, we're just doing it totally wrong.
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They are extending maternity leave and giving more paid maternity leave.
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If you care about high fertility weights, you should remove maternity leave at all as a
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Like, it is a bad concept because it creates this idea that women must be pampered throughout
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their pregnancy, which increases the perceived difficulty of the pregnancy to the woman.
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Yeah, it's like a cultural, it's considerate propaganda that's saying that having a kid is
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Also, if you actually care about, like, feminism in the workplace, making women more dangerous
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employees to have, and especially women who seem to want to have a family, is not a good
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way, especially in France, where it's already almost impossible to fire someone once you
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hire them, not a good way to make women a safe hire.
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And worse than that, I mean, so what do you do?
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Like, what is the actual policy you should be pushing in this area?
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It should be, it should be that you cannot disallow women from bringing their baby into
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And that when a woman gives birth, if she wants to work from home, unless you have a hard and
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provable reason she can't work from home, she has to be allowed to work from home.
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But if she has to work in the office, there should be childcare available.
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Yeah, but I actually think that this work from home law should be just broadly, like,
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if you want to really increase fertility rates, this law should just be the law of the land.
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Because men can also be the ones to stay at home.
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But the point being is if a company cannot prove why a person has to go to the office with
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statistics, because the statistics just aren't there.
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Like, we've done work from home versus work from the office, re-recorded data on this.
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Work from home is dramatically more productive than what they do.
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And ironically, so one of the most famous, pretty rigorous studies that was done on this
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early, I think it was somewhere in Asia, and it was a travel company where they did
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a controlled, like some people, I think it was controlled, worked from home, whereas
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They found, importantly, that the people who worked from home were more productive, got
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The people who worked in the office were less productive, but the people who worked in the
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So not only are anti-work from home policies damaging to a company's productivity, they
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also encourage the promotion of less productive employees who invest more time in water cooler
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chat and politicking and performative work that is ultimately killing and draining life
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And if we were running a large company, we would have a policy looking for anyone who
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Like, I would consider that as a huge ding to an employee.
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If they wanted to work for the office, I'd be like, oh, so you don't want to work.
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So those would be like actual useful things that France could implement.
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Instead, they're doing the dumbest thing, which is increasing fertility payments during
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a woman's maternity leave, which is, you know, backed by this sort of state organization,
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which is not going to be fundable soon, given the rate of the fertility collapse in France.
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Yeah, what younger generations are going to pay for this?
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But now we need to talk about what China is doing, which is sort of the exact opposite.
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I am, it's unethical, but I won't say that it's necessarily stupid.
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Like, I don't know what's going to come of it, because no one else has tried this before,
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So what China has started doing is, hold on, I'm going to pull up the card here that somebody
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So one is they are reaching out to any mother that is under 35 and telling them to have more
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But the other thing that they're cracking down on, and I'll post a picture of a card
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Basically explaining to people the threat, quote unquote, the threat of homosexuals.
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And this is a threat insofar as, again, I wouldn't use the word homosexuals.
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I'm just using the word that is used in this translation here.
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I find it to be a little more derogatory than I'm comfortable with.
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So Wu Zain Plaza warns you, beware of homosexuals.
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How can a country be prosperous without full descendants?
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How can we live healthy lives without a prosperous motherland?
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And it's a lecture that they can attend on preventing homosexuals.
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Like, I remember American propaganda against the gays.
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You know, like, it just completely misunderstood.
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But it was also just like, this is a cultural menace.
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Whereas like, China is like, but they're not having kids.
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I mean, I wish that China could actually just be like, okay, to all gay and lesbian couples,
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to like, we will provide to you free, you know, IVF.
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We will make it very easy for you to have kids.
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Because I mean, the outcomes also seem to show like from that Netherlands study that
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that we looked at, that children like of surrogates to gay couples had better outcomes a little
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I mean, China should be sampling bias because, you know, gay people, it's a lot harder for
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But the point here being, and they're going to have fewer kids, which we'll talk about
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When she said she loves this, it doesn't mean she loves that gay people are being oppressed.
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She said she means she finds the mechanism of oppression comical.
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The earlier oppression was in the United States.
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But the reason you had that earlier oppression within the United States was fertility.
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And this is really important for people to understand.
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And it's why our book, The Fragmentist Guide to Crafting Religion is so important and why
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everyone should read it because it discusses some concepts that no one has really discussed
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So previously in the field of memetics, this is how ideas evolve.
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People thought of memes as things that basically captured a person's mind, like got into
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their mind, like a virus, and then that person to reproduce themselves.
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And then that person would go out and try to convince as many other people as possible
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So some memes are completely parasitic like that.
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But other memes in a historic context were actually clusters of memetic ideas that improved the individual
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And by biological fitness, what I mean is at the evolutionary level.
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Groups that had these memetic clusters were, one, a higher fertility rate, two, had lower
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death rates, and three, were better at resisting simple viral memetics.
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These are what religions were or what we call cultivars.
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Now, there is a reason, it may seem arbitrary, that almost every long-lived successful cultural
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group in human history has had an undertone of homophobia to it up until the point where
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it becomes a dominant societal cultural group and really successful for a while, and then
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it usually drops as homophobia, and then it has a collapse.
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But it's not the drop of homophobia that causes the collapse.
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It's when they begin to accept gay people is often when they're throwing out all the other
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rules that seem arbitrary to them and they don't understand, and they're starting to
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do all the orgies and all the opulence and everything like that, which most cultures shame.
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And so the iterations of those cultures that didn't have these prohibitions had lower
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fertility rates than the iterations that did have these prohibitions, which led to the
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iterations that had these prohibitions outcompeting the iterations that didn't have these prohibitions.
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I mean, we believe in sort of maximum individual choice, and we don't like that we're seeing
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this increase in homophobia, but there is a reason why historically the homophobic groups
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have competed with the other groups, and China is recognizing this.
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Gay people have fewer kids than straight people.
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Therefore, we can increase the fertility rate by shaming gay people and by making people afraid
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Well, and we need to add that China is the bellwether of the coercive effects of demographic collapse.
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So anything that you see China doing now is stuff that you can expect other nations to
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start doing as they reach higher levels of desperation.
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So if you actually care about gay rights, and if you actually care about reproductive choice,
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you should actually care about demographic collapse.
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And you can already look to places like China to see exactly why.
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I mean, I can't believe they have like, hey, watch out for the gays card.
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So to give you an idea of how bad things are in China right now, which is dramatically worse
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than the situation in France, like they're not really in the same boat in terms of the
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If the newly leaked data from China is right, and they have 8 million fewer births in 2023,
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what that would represent is a decline of 60% from 2016.
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This is the fertility equivalent of hyperinflation.
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It is the fertility equivalent of having to walk around with wheelbarrows to buy a loaf of bread.
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Wheelbarrows full of cash, you know, when you hear about these situations.
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People do not understand the societal effects this is going to have.
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And anyone who's in one of these groups that is going to be targeted because of this, like the LGBT
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populations around the world, if you cannot fix this problem, if you cannot convince people who
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are okay with gay people existing to have kids at an above replacement fertility rate, you will be
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And we're beginning to see the first waves of this.
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We are warning you because we don't want that to happen.
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But it is the way this plays out if we cannot convince people who support you to stay around
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And we explain, one of my favorite quotes that I always mention is when the Guardian, when we
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explain this to them and they're like, well, that sounds an awful lot like a threat.
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If the threat in the same way is when I threaten my kid to not touch the stove or his hand is going
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We've been telling you this is going to happen for years.
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We can say, well, will these China policies work?
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I don't know how effective they'll be, but we can see predecessors of these policies in
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Because Iran has been having this problem a lot longer than China has.
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So they've been able to try a lot of these practices.
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And they have ramped up the homophobia and stuff like that.
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And they have seen a small increase in fertility rate, but it's not enough.
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The core thing that they actually did was make it harder for women to get educated.
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And that really increased their fertility rates.
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But we are barreling head first to a handmaid's tail.
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And the virus that is causing everyone to become sterile, the virus that is creating all this
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Well, and ironically, though, there's even more to it.
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And I mentioned this on another podcast, but I was watching a YouTube video about something
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And I saw footage of what people were eating for like a typical lunch.
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And it was, in this case, like a soup out of a plastic bag within like a styrofoam cup
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And I'm just like, anyone who's like kind of sensitive to, you know, information about
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like endocrine disruptors and like, you know, eating things out of plastic that has been
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heated or anything like that, you know, just immediately freaks out.
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And then I immediately thought to the ADV China videos that we used to watch back in the
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And the guys, it's Laowai-86 and then, who's the other guy, the South African?
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And anyway, it's called China Fact Chasers today.
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Yeah, they kept telling stories of, you know, personal encounters with adulterated food,
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And I'm also seeing in the actual like Handmaid's Tale show series, which I've only watched a couple
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episodes of, frankly, so that I could understand what people are like comparing us to, is that
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it's like pollutants, I think, that are causing people to become infertile.
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So the reason that they start coercing some women to be handmaids is because like literally
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they're the only ones who are capable of having kids.
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And in China, I'm kind of like, okay, well, so they're going to get to a point where they've
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exhausted all of the coercive methods and mechanisms they have, and they are still not
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going to get women to have kids because of the amount of pollutants, both air pollutants
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and like general like food adulteration problems that they actually have in the country.
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So this isn't just a problem of like, you know, these people are going to struggle to
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I like to tell you where I think they're going, forced insemination.
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Yeah, but even forced insemination isn't going to help you a whole lot if your entire like
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endocrine system, your entire reproductive system is not functioning properly.
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First, they're going to basically make people without children second-class citizens.
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In their tax policy and the way you get promoted within the CCP, if you don't have above a
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certain number of children, you will be a second-class citizen and you will be treated
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Because it seems like that would actually be way more effective than a lot of, like right
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Because they haven't fully accepted how big the problem is yet.
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You know, even a place like China takes a while.
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But I mean, I would say that restricted access to birth control is like pretty big shots fired
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No, I mean, in the U.S. it would be, but given the scope of China's problem is 60% fertility
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So next, they're going to realize that doesn't work because of all this biological stuff that
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They're going to realize that maybe only like one in three men can actually fertilize women
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And that's where forced insemination comes in because then they're going to be using other
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men's sperm to inseminate people's wives because they're going to be like, well, you can't,
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Keep in mind the fertility collapse while it's affecting both men and women, it's affecting
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And so I think that a bunch of these men are going to be inferred.
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You know, you talk about like these endocrine disruptors.
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That means that men that are gestating right now in these women's bellies, the vast majority
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Like when you look at like raw nationalist predictions, which I think are probably right,
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is by 2060, half of men in Europe and the United States will be infernal.
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In China, I expect it to be closer to like 80%.
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Given the type of behavior that you're talking about, like eating food out of heated plastic
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And if that's the case, and keep in mind, we're talking about the next generation, the
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generation that gestated in women doing these sorts of behaviors.
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We've done videos on like the new sexualities and like femboids and stuff like that.
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The Tide study shows really clearly this changes men into something other than men exactly.
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They explain even like seven years afterwards, if they were exposed to these chemicals, more
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And I think that this is actually a huge component of the rise of the trans movement is it really
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is a rise of trans individuals, of men who are not fully men.
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I think the male trans movement, that's a different phenomenon.
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But you can watch our videos on trans stuff to see what we actually think.
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Like what makes someone a woman was one of the videos we did on that.
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Like which of these solutions, do you think the China solutions are going to work?
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How would you predict China ends up trying to tackle this?
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Yeah, well, I mean, what you said actually about them switching over to status, which
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I think that's a fairly astute prediction because I do think that in China where reputation
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matters so much and social status is really important as well, that that can be fairly
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effective and that they eventually will have to turn to that.
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But I also I can see it maybe being something that actually they wait too long to do because
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I think a lot of people who are probably very high up in the CCP themselves have zero to
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So there would have to be some kind of grandfather clause, right?
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Because but then, you know, it makes it a more effectless policy.
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I think that that's a very effective way to go.
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I think, you know, changing social status to to coerce or inspire people to have kids
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And I think that like tax policies can totally be effective, like where you have huge tax breaks
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Well, then there's the other thing, which is which is worth considering, which I think
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And like like people are like, oh, who are like your when your family is building alliance
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You know, I'm not going to call out her name here, but, you know, she's a Muslim and
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I think she's like a second or third generation immigrant, but from Guinea.
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And they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, your best friend in France is a Muslim
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And and they're like, who's your friend in the UK?
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I go, oh, she's a second generation Hindi immigrant.
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Why aren't you like focused on building alliances with like British people?
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I'm like, because they're not going to exist in 100 years.
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Like we are like you can say that people are like, oh, so you must be like a weird sort
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of great replacement theorist where you're like, OK, yeah, but we're just for no, not
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The Muslims are not the reasons why French people are going extinct.
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And and Indian immigrants to the UK are not the reason why white people in the UK aren't
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But I need to be realistic when it comes to what alliances are important for my family
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to build and alliances with white Europeans, basically pointless from an intergenerational
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perspective, because when I say white Europeans, I mean like native whatever Europeans, their
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There's nothing you can really do to stop it at this point.
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And I think like we talk about China where I think the CCP will eventually find a way
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Do I think France will eventually find a way to stabilize their fertility?
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Like there's a reason why our family's religion incorporates a lot of part of Islam, you know,
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and is like and I have a lot of Muslim friends and there's a lot of Muslim first generation
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immigrants in the pro natalist movement who were working to keep them from having their
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What they really mean is cultural genocide, right?
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When somebody says, I want to assimilate Muslims, I mean, I want to erase every part of their
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culture that goes against the urban monoculture.
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They're not assimilating them to Christian conservative traditions.
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And so I don't actually think personally, I don't think that Europe, the European people who
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are complaining about Muslims are not really complaining about Muslims.
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They are complaining about highly uneducated, impoverished refugee populations.
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And I don't think that there would be any difference in the damage that they're seeing
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if those highly uneducated, impoverished refugee populations.
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This is a huge problem for socialist economies.
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And I think that the key way to fix this is to stop giving immigrants access to your social
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Why would you give a first generation immigrant access to your social services?
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You're creating a really bad incentive structure there.
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I know, but we're ones to talk, though, because like we believe like in any sort of governance
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design, those you should only get benefits to the extent that you're contributing.
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So anyone like and if you can if you are taking from the state more than you give, you have
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But I mean, I want to I want to make a side here, which which is the point that we're making.
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And it's important that, you know, this is this is clear, is that these countries, because
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of this stupid incentive system they have, do disproportionately draw lower quality immigrants
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And when I say lower quality, what I mean is that they are much more likely to live off of
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They're much less likely to contribute economically to the state.
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And and so like like in an objective standpoint, I'm talking from an economic standpoint.
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But this does not mean that these countries don't also have an elite population of immigrants
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Like Muslims are a very divorced population group.
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And there is an educated elite among Muslim populations, which is also higher fertility than
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And that Muslim communities actually, in my at least in my experience, do a better job
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of elevating their elite than other communities.
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And they are much more comfortable serving the elite within the community.
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So you don't need a high quality average within Muslim majority populations as much as you
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By that, what I mean is they're much less enamored with things like democracy.
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And they're more extremely meritocratic, you're saying?
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I wouldn't call it meritocratic, but I'd call it monarchistic or autocratic in a way where
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they understand that it's generally better to have the best of them running everything
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and making all the decisions and not leading things to boats.
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Yeah, and I guess you say not meritocratic because you're saying the best of them as
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defined by their culture, which you view as a little bit not what you...
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Yeah, yeah, internal culture heuristics, but it is kind of more meritocratic.
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Which, again, I guess this is like a horribly offensive thing to say, but it's like if you
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understand and hang out with Muslims, it's objectively true.
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And it's not like a bad system in groups where you have like lower average economic productivity
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And again, I'm not saying that there are lower average economic productivity.
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I'm saying specifically the individuals who are being drawn to these socialist economies,
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Obviously, the people who are going to be disproportionately drawn to that are the people who are lower economic
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Maybe someone who's watching this can also help us understand this when it comes to meritocracy.
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You, when speaking with a journalist at one point recently, had said something like, you
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know, I believe that rather than being judged by the color of their skin, people should be
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judged by like their meritocratic contributions and values by their abilities.
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And the journalist was like, hey, can you please repeat that?
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Like, as if like, are you sure you want to say that?
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This was the journalist who was very hostile to us.
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And I know that this in our modern system is racist and horribly racist.
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But I have this weird dream that people should be judged by the content of their character
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I know anyone who has ever said this must be a virulent, evil racist.
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But to me, it's a dream that I've always had for the future of America, a country where
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we can judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
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But is this like really considered, like, I would love for anyone to like, be like, here's
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why someone would hear that and, you know, ask you if you want to correct your statement
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for fear of you being completely destroyed by this ruinous comment you just made.
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Because maybe there's something we're missing here.
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Because they believe in judging people by their meritocratic worth and the content of
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And that is clearly an attack on X and Y group.
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And I'm like, if that, if you think that that's clearly an attack on X and Y group, then by
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our standards, you have a pretty racist opinion of X and Y group.
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Because I believe that there are excellent people within all populations.
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And you see this within the data, and we've posted this statistic before, but it just
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If you look within the United States, if you look at populations by what percent are they
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conservative versus what percent are they Democrat, and you look at Blacks and Hispanics
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within these populations, if you look at the difference between their test scores and
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white individuals within these populations' test scores, they are lower in the Republican
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controlled districts than they are in the Democrat controlled districts.
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So Democrat policies, these policies that are supposed to be helping.
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These groups are really intergenerationally disempowering them.
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And I think through that, creating a permanent underclass and a permanent ethno underclass that
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the Democrats can use as a safe voting block because they prevent these individuals from
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actually educating themselves and learning that the Democrats are not their friends, learning
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that the data shows they're not their friends, learning that the data shows and the statistics
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I'll tell you until the end of the earth, 538 poll, Nate Silver, you know, very middle
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of the line, that until Obama was elected, more white Democrats than white Republicans said
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Well, and you remember that research that I shared with you.
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And I'm going to post another graph of how left-leaning media sources are these days, which, you know,
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will show you that they control pretty much all of the media that you are consuming unless
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And you'll remember the research I shared with you as well that showed that, we'll say,
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non-white populations, Black, Hispanics, et cetera, fared better.
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And maybe there's certainly a selection bias at taking place here, but that lived in Republican
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districts, Republican dominated districts had, I think, better economic and other like social
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Minority groups living in Democratic majority areas.
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So it, it just, it really does seem like after you see research like that, it seems awfully
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suspicious and it seems an awful lot like minority groups in those areas are being intentionally
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suppressed and, and kept down in a way that makes them dependent on, especially a lot of
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like the, at least the promise of state services.
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They keep them economically disempowered and uneducated so that they can use them as a safe
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voting block without realizing that the Democrats have always been the party of the Klan.
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There were switches within some policy positions, but they just changed the names of a few things
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and now the Klan is called Antifa, but they are just as evil and just as racist as they
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And they rely on keeping these groups economically disempowered while promoting token individuals
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And you can be like, well, that doesn't sound right.
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It disgusts me that I see this still going on in our country and, and that these racist
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groups have thrived by changing racism to quote unquote, anti-racism, even though it has much
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But so what do you think in game France, China?
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I mean, yeah, I, I, China's going to figure it out.
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I would say that China is, is a country with thousands of years of rises and falls, you know,
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like it just, it's a cycle and it will find its way, but it may be very different.
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I don't know enough about France to know if they're a weird minority group, like weird
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Amish, like high fertility, isolated, very culturally hard groups in France.
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If there are, then for sure there's hope, but also I feel like there's a collection of families
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in France that develops a, an intergenerationally durable culture, which is well described in
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your book, the private is guide to crafting religion can totally change the trajectory
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Like if you had, you know, 30 families in France, you know, I more would be great, but
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We're going to give our kids an amazing childhood and amazing education.
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We're going to empower them and we're going to inspire them to pass on this culture and
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French culture can be not only protected, but like made extra augmented brought back to a
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A lot of French culture has already been lost and this is, you know, definitely a sore point
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in France and it has been for a very long time.
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France used to be, you know, the cultural reactor core of Europe and to a great extent,
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the rest of the world, it used to be way more influential.
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I think that there's a huge opportunity to make France great again, but also, yeah, totally
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from a demographic standpoint for like various French ethnicities and cultural niches to be
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All of that depends on a sufficient number of families, doesn't have to be a lot of them
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and only those who are into this, building an intergenerational durable culture.
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So for China, I'm like, yeah, they're going to figure it out.
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For France, it really comes down to the acts of a very small number of people.
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I also think to an extent there's a reason for cultural alliances here, which France
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needs to be more intentional about, but the UK has done pretty well.
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We, the reason why we think diversity has value is we think that different cultural groups
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Like diversity would have no value if we were all actually the same.
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Some cultural groups are much more like other cultural groups than other cultural groups
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The, if you look at like, for example, Hindi immigrants in the UK, the Hindis culturally,
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the ones that are immigrating, which are mostly Brahmins and stuff like that, they are, well,
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obviously you have some other population groups, but Hindis are just British people.
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Like ethnically, they might be different, but me as an outsider, when I said that Persians
00:36:55.480
are basically Americans with like slightly more audacious aesthetic sense that is actually
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very aligned with Trump's, you know, they're very entrepreneurial.
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They're very frontier-y traditionalist, but in sort of like an American, like put a spin
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They're very sort of like play it by the books, play it by the numbers, you know, stiff
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So I think like a UK, even if their population is replaced by Hindi, I don't think you've
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Now, I don't think that this will happen because the Hindi fertility rate is quite low now, which
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is a shame to me because, you know, they could work together better in terms of who they're
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But I really hate this idea of cultural assimilation.
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I believe instead you should import cultural groups that are similar and that are able to
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And I think British people, Hindi people, these two groups go together swimmingly in
00:37:57.380
Well, and this is not, we should say, this is not a conservative view that the strength
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of diversity comes from diverse groups staying diverse, which is to say, leaning into their
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I was just reading an article that pointed out that for one of the Olympics recently, President
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Obama, I think when he was still president, was remarking at just how successful the American
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And he compared like Michael Phelps to Simone Biles.
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Like these are two wildly different people, wildly different body types and wildly different
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As a result, we would not be able to kill it at the Olympics if we didn't have this level
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That's pretty offensive, Simone, to say that Simone Biles couldn't do what Michael Phelps
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Even if Michael Phelps does like basically giant paddles for feet and is like forever
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No, he has like a weird thing was like his heart or metabolic or metabolic structure.
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There are a bunch of very genetically unique things about it.
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But again, like so even even progressive leaders recognize that diversity is meaningful
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and amazing and cool and provides a huge competitive advantage.
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So I just want to point out again, even though this is the prenatalism is so coded conservative
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Well, I was caring about diversity these days, like Obama might do it, but he couldn't do that
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Admit that Michael Phelps could not do what Simone Biles did if he was raised in her circumstances.
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I think when he was in office, people were allowed to acknowledge genetic diversity.
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It's something we are like we are totally going off the rails.
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I regret that because I treasure every second with you.