From Disgust to Cringe to Vitalism： Examining the Evolution of Cultural Frameworks
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss a concept that has been on our minds for a while now. It's a concept I have been thinking about personally, and a fan sent me some ideas that helped me flesh out this concept into a broader concept about how our society functions and where we are moving as a society through the pervading nihilism of our current age.
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I think it was the recognition that disgust-based morality was leading to
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immoral actions, like the persecution. No, hear me out here.
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I genuinely think it was the disgust-based morality caused the persecution of
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LGBT individuals that led to the destruction of that system.
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That's not just how ridiculous it ultimately was.
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why am I attacking somebody for something about themselves that they can't
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change? I think it's the new cultural framework that is going to dominate in the next age,
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So vitalism, I would define as a cultural framework that sells itself with a love of
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existence and a love of being who you are unapologetically.
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and I'll also explain why it's going to potentially eventually crash,
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is often the people who care the least about how society judges them, like us, for example,
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because of that, they lack a general moral framework and they'll just do narcissistic
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stuff all the time in a way that like the Tiger King or Trump does, right?
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Hello, Simone. We are going to be discussing a very interesting topic today, and there's going
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to be a long emble at the end of this because sometimes we just have casual conversations
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before them, and we had a really interesting one before this episode. But I'm going to be
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discussing a concept that I have been thinking about personally, and a fan sent me some ideas.
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It actually helped me flesh out this concept into a broader concept about how our society
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functions and where we are moving as a society and a realistic path through the pervading nihilism
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of our current age. This story starts in the age of our childhood or our parents when the dominant
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cultural group in the country was Protestant Christianity. These were the days of the satanic
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panic and a lot of the anti-gay stuff and stuff like that.
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Yeah. There was, and I love that some people still think we're there. Like, they still think
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like the Republicans are like the anti-gay party or something like that. It's freaking insane.
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Like, I cannot, it's insane. 45% of gay men voted for Trump, by the way. Like, we are no longer
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in that the gay party and the non-gay party. Society has done a 180 since then. But anyway,
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back to what we were saying here. Or at least that was one study. Some people, it's only
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one study. Yeah, because it doesn't agree with what you want to believe. You're just
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throw it out. Anyway, we need to take it back here. In that world, while there was a philosophical
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structure for what the conservative ideology was, like the Christian philosophical structure,
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everything like that, it wasn't that philosophical structure that motivated individual action,
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voting, and decision-making among the Republican party when they were communicating with the mob,
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I guess you could call it. Specifically, the way that they communicated was through disgust.
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And by that, what I mean is they're like, doesn't it disgust you when you see gay people kissing,
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for example? Therefore, we should ban that, right? Doesn't it disgust you when you see X or Y?
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That is how they motivated the export of their cultural value system. And in reaction to that,
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interestingly, the far left began to deify things that disgusted them. That was how they fought this.
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And you actually see this in leftist art. One thing I always mention is Vanderhoeven,
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who's being interviewed about Star Trek Troopers. Really, you should watch our Star Trek Troopers video
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if you haven't seen it. I think it's one of the best that we've done. But in the interview,
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he was like, I was surprised that people didn't realize it was supposed to be a parody against
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ultra-right-wingism because everyone I casted in it was beautiful. And I thought that people
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would recognize that meant that it was supposed to be evil, like they were supposed to be evil
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like bad guys. And I just love this world perspective of if a thing is beautiful, it is
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therefore evil. And you actually see this in a lot of post-modernism and stuff like this.
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And it actually helps me understand a little bit of the hatred of us. We've gotten online hate for
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naming our kids after Romans, like Octavian, for example. They're like, this is a sign...
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Yeah. The Roman one is more interesting to me because we actually do have Scandinavian
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heritage. That is your family's original last name before Ellis Island. The Roman one is
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interesting because I don't have Roman heritage. Romans were not white. Romans subjugated and
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enslaved white people. They were a Mediterranean population group. I guess if you want to call
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them white, you can. Historically in the United States, they were not treated as white. Italian
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immigrants were not treated as white immigrants. They were treated very badly.
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The Irish weren't treated as white immigrants either in many ways.
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And this is why probably the Hispanic immigrant group today that is seen as a separate ethnic group
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is not going to be seen as a separate ethnic group. They're no less white than Italians.
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But anyway, Italians had a problem with organized crime and everything too. So remember that.
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Where was I going with this? Oh yeah. But why do I elevate this cultural group that stomped
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mine, right? That civilized us, right? They took us when we were savages in the woods,
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worshiping stones and stuff like that. And they brought us a different system. And I think
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that system made us better. And then we went out and we exported that system all over the world.
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This was the period of imperialism. And a lot of people are like, oh, that was such a horrible
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thing. And I think that they capture something true about us when they're like, why do you
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look up to the Romans? We don't look up to the Romans because we are the Romans. We look up to
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the Romans because they showed strengths, competence, and beauty in the things that they created,
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especially in contrast with our ancestors of the similar period. And when they are looking to people
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to uplift from that same period, if you look at like the far progressive mind, you're looking at
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somebody like Bambi Thug, where she is uplifting like wicked in this neo-paganism, where they are
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looking for the weak group of that period, where the older conservative systems uplifted beauty and
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demonized things that disgusted them. They also uplifted strength. The problem that those systems
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have is that they communicated this to the mob through disgust systems, which can allow for people
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to be victimized. And it's very easy to mistake disgust, an innate reaction that we evolved to try to help
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us have more surviving offspring, either through not engaging in reproductive behavior that will
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lead to lower offspring. I think that's why we have disgust towards things like male relationships.
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I want to support gay people. And I think a lot of gay people don't recognize this. I could not be
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more pro-gay. I lived throughout my entire high school career with a gay roommate, not living with
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my family or anything like that, a GSA. And then in college, my academic dad with a gay guy. It's your core
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social community. And these were communities I was choosing. But even with that, my brain still
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instinctually exports a disgust when I see men kissing. That is something that I can't help but
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feel. And that's just the way human sexuality works. It includes arousal and it includes disgust.
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And you don't get to choose what arouses you or what disgusts you.
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Yeah, it's just important that I don't confuse that with a moral intuition. And this is something
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that Christianity also was figuring out in the 80s and 90s. I think that is what Mother Teresa
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represented for a lot of people, is that when you see somebody with leprosy, your average person sees
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them and their brain exports disgust because it's trying to get them to not interact with somebody
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who might be diseased. But a lot of people in these older moral frameworks confused that disgust
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With a lack of morality. With evil. With evil. Like they must be immoral if they are causing
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disgust. Yeah, or they have sinned in some way or this is a sign of their sinful life or
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depending on your religious framework, sinful past life, etc. Right?
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It's very important that our society moved past disgust as a metric for morality and immorality.
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But during that period, the seeds of the worst impulses of modern progressivism were sowed,
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which is a cultural group that in the figures in history that they worship and look to with reverence
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and was in modern times they worship and look to as reverence, is weakness and ugliness are seen as
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signs of greatness, which can seem like a very bizarre philosophy, but it makes sense if you look at
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where it grew, which was originally in opposition to a moral framework that was using disgust to shape things.
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But then we move from this disgust framework to another framework that is, I think, equally bad.
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And it's the framework that we're just now leaving now.
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And I would say this spans from late 90s through 2020 pretty much, right?
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And this is the era of cringe motivating mass action.
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And it is embarrassment about somebody breaking social norms that they may not have recognized
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This motivated during the dominance of the urban monoculture in our society, when we switched
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from the Christian group having control to the urban monoculture having control, this
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largely progressive group, they motivated mass action through cringe.
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Which is why when you look at polling, for example, there are fewer people now than at
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least ever before in this polling that are willing to not only express their views on
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controversial subjects, but express their views on any subject at all.
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The extent to which people are afraid of criticism is off the charts now.
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And I think that's a product of the era of cringe, right?
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And I think that that was the result of cringe, which now people are recognizing as bad.
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When you use cultural conformity as your primary method of communicating with the mob, eventually
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intellectually alive players are going to be like, yes, but the end state of this is everyone
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Everyone's afraid of being creative or interesting.
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And I think that almost you can see as a perfect counter and reflection to this BAP, Bronze Age
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Pervert, who I mentioned in another recent video, where I think he is, his entire thing is like
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a performative artistic statement against the dominance of cringe culture.
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And I think so out there, so flamboyantly unapologetic in stances that are quite colorful.
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And that break every one of the cringe culture's frameworks.
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So you can contrast him with somebody like, who I actually used to respect as an intellectual.
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Who would have, yeah, like these, but these were, no, more like he would have, give speeches
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and then get canceled and then have people come on stage and freak out.
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But Mylon Yiannopoulos was actually still operating under cringe culture.
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Like he liked it being a shock junk, but he never actually really broke the rules of progressive
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He was still operating under the cringe framework.
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He was just trying to show that it wasn't logical or logically consistent.
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Bap, who I think is equally as colorful as Milo.
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So I don't think it's just that he's colorful that makes him this through the cringe to base
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because base, as we've said on our episode, you know, you need to pass through the tunnel
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I think that all base is intrinsically cringe because to be base, you have to go against the
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dominant cultural framework, which is what's cringe is the secondhand embarrassment.
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And to be based what it really is to, and I actually, this is really interesting.
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And I think how we got to this sort of based culture, which is the perfect anecdote to cringe
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culture, which is people can't feel secondhand embarrassment for us.
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We know where the cultural norms are we are breaking, and we are doing it intentionally
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and take pride in those decisions because we believe that those cultural norms are bad
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Like where you can get cringe in breaking cultural norms is you break cultural norms just because
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Or you break cultural norms because you're part of a separate cultural group and you just don't
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And for those individuals, they can be like, oh, they didn't know, poor child.
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I actually think Trolls does a great job of showing the racism.
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And showing the racism intrinsic, and I'll put the clip here, in this cringe world perspective
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where she meets the country trolls, great, the rural poor for the first time.
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And she goes, don't they know that music is about making you happy?
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And so she's going to go tell them to erase their culture in favor of her culture because
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her culture is obviously correct in the way it relates to the arts.
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And their culture is obviously wrong in the way it relates to the arts because it's different,
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And I think that movie also, I'll have the other clip here, they do such a great job in
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that movie, of showing the sin of progressivism, the sin of progressivism actually being about
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cultural imperialism, where she's, we can make us all the same.
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Like she's, we can understand that we're not really different.
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And this is what I think in this new conservative movement, the recognition that progressives
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claim to love diversity, but don't actually think anyone's different.
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Men and women aren't different in their perspectives or proficiencies, different cultural groups,
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Why would diversity matter if no one's different?
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But if you elevate the difference, if you're like, it's actually good that we're different
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and that English people with different proficiency than perspectives, we can achieve better outcomes.
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But to do that, you need to recognize that we are actually different and that different
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cultural groups are actually better at different things on average.
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Not everyone in a cultural group, but on average, they have slightly different proficiencies
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If we combine our music, she'll see that music unites all Trolls and that we're all the same
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History is just going to keep repeating itself until we make everyone realize that we're all
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Denying our differences is denying the truth of who we are.
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Just out of curiosity, what do you think brokered our shift culturally from disgust to cringe?
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Was it the fact that content creation became pervasive online and a bunch of people who
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weren't subject to public scrutiny before suddenly were?
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So no, I think that it's people like us in BAP, really.
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I think it was the recognition that disgust-based morality was leading to immoral actions.
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I genuinely think it was the disgust-based morality caused the persecution of LGBT individuals
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Okay, that's not just how ridiculous it ultimately was.
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Yeah, because many people were like, why am I attacking somebody for something about themselves
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So essentially, there was enough of a recognition of the lack of truth and impracticality of disgust-based
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And in general, support for progressive causes that caused an elevation of, honestly, of disgusting
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There's the whole, like, Mary Harrington conspiracy theory that I love of the reason why children's
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book illustrations now are so ugly, more tracks with the rise of progressive culture than
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And it's almost like a psyop that's encouraging people to normalize ugliness as part of this
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Any normal person, she would invoke a strong, immediate instinct of disgust.
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But progressives have learned to treat that emotion as a sign that something is more morally
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And there was a period at which it was useful to counter that feeling of disgust, but this
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And I think now people realize, well, that's stupid.
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And the key that broke the lock of this second system was the based individuals who previously,
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when they were dunking on cringe, just people like Chris Chan and stuff like that.
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People who just had no clue what they were doing and were breaking cultural boundaries
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because they were usually, like, mentally ill people or, like, actual racists or et cetera.
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But you can't argue that BAP or us are behind the times.
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The key that breaks that lock is people being like, wait, these people are subverting the
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And I actually think this is what led to Trump winning the election.
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And I'll explain what it is because I think it's the new cultural framework that is going
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And I think it's a sustainable one, which is the age of vitalism.
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So vitalism, I would define as a cultural framework that sells itself with a love of existence
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and a love of being who you are unapologetically.
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And I think that this is where we see individuals like Tiger King exploding onto the stage.
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Tiger King did so well because he ignored, you know, in the past, that is what would have been
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But in our time, he knew the cultural norms he was violating.
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He just had perfect ownership over who he was and was proud of who he was.
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And even though he was a genuinely reprehensible person, that is no longer the way people relate
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I think Trump, for example, while I think he was a good president, I think he's a morally
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When I look at the way he's treated his wives, when I look at the way he's, it's just gross
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But in the age of vitalism, what we're going to see, and I think that this will scare a lot
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of people, is a lot of reprehensible human beings are going to be elevated through vitalism
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because one of the problems with the vitalist system, I'll also explain why it's going to
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potentially eventually crash, is often the people who care the least about how society
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judges them, like us, for example, because of that, they lack a general moral framework
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and they'll just do narcissistic stuff all the time in a way that like the Tiger King
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And so we need to then transition from a purely vitalistic system to a vitalistic city on a
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The idea of we are trying to create something beautiful in the future, like this consistent
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striving, not that we are the city on the hill right now, but the city of the hill that
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will exist in this vision of a more perfect humanity that we can strive towards.
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The word I was looking for was imanestize the eshton, which means in political theory
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and theology, to imanestize the eshton is generally a pejorative phrase referring to attempts to
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bring about utopian conditions in the world and to effectively create a heaven on earth.
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Theologically, the belief is akin to post-millennialism as reflected in the social gospel of the 1880s
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and 1930s era, as well as Protestant reform movements during the second great awakening
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And I think it's bad to think that you're like living in that now or that there's ever this
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perfect society that you can create because that leads to things like communism and stuff
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But I do think a moral system around an ever improving society is the way to go.
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And when people look at like the way that we're framing our public images, it is with this
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End goal is I should say we live in such an early time in human history.
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We haven't even lived through a period where one human ruled a planet yet.
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I can intuitively feel a shift from disgust to cringe.
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And then I also can feel that shift from cringe to based slash vitalism, which I'm seeing
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For example, I keep hearing people talk about hate following or hate subscribing to people
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And then after spending more time hate watching their content, and this happens with us to
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a certain extent, because we do get emails from people about this, they at least either
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they actually come to see their views as being legitimate and join their side, or at the very
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least, they start to envy the fact that they have this very vitalistic life that they hold
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to their morals, they're very happy in pursuit of them.
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And they envy that confidence and lack of cognitive dissonance that these people who are just
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so confident in their lifestyles, however wrong these hate watchers find them to be, are.
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For example, I hear one person I follow online hate watches a bunch of Mormon influencers who
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live out in Miami, or not Miami, sorry, in Hawaii.
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And this person hates everything about their values and their lifestyle and never wants
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But then can't stop watching these wholesome Mormon families.
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And then we're going to see more and more of that.
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And this is where the transition starts to happen is that the more you start to question
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your own lifestyle and see that other people, no matter how much you disagree with them,
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are experiencing a level of vitalism and success and happiness that in your entire pursuit
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of happiness, you could never achieve, it's going to get you thinking differently.
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Yeah, I actually think that's a really core point.
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And it's why wholesome baseness was the key to always defeating cringe culture, is that
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cringe culture motivates individuals to watch these individuals outside their cultural framework,
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because that's where they're getting the satisfaction.
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At least I'm not like them, the secondhand embarrassment.
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Yeah, look at how backwards and dumb these people are.
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But then they look at, look how, you get this sort of, look how backwards and dumb these
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It goes from, ha ha, look how backwards and dumb these people are.
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And then they're watching like the wholesome Mormon family and they're like, look how backwards
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and dumb these people, wait a second, wait a second, am I the backwards and dumb one?
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Like my community doesn't have their shit together.
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What happens first is they just hate them and make fun of them.
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Then they start to critique elements of their lifestyle.
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Oh, the trad lifestyle, that's not really what trad is like.
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These trad influencers are just showing a caricature.
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But then they're more like, but the trad lifestyle in general, I kind of support.
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Like they have to find new reasons as to why these people are cringe that aren't actually
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And I think that's where the adoption starts to take place.
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And it's one of our things is be so wholesome, it's cringe, you know, in the way that we
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relate to each other and our kids and everything like that.
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I think one thing that was said when you were talking about this, and I think that this is
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a broad thing that people are going to realize because we live in a secular society now.
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They can only think of religion in this dehumanized context of like religious insane extremists
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instead of people who still have a spark of light in their eyes.
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And if you're like, what do I mean by the spark of light, talk to an Amish person or something
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Somebody in one of these communities where they're really true believers and you will
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see this light of human dynamism in their eyes that you just don't see from these ultra
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woke individuals, which just look, I almost say like soulless when you're interacting with
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It just feels like it lacks any passion anymore.
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And that was the core thing that sort of we realize when we're putting together this faith
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system for our family is we made a choice to believe these things.
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Like, like, and, and, and I think that that's a really interesting thing about faith as a
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concept that people without faith don't understand, right?
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They think that faith is blindly believing things that don't have full evidence to support
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When what faith actually is making the choice to believe those things.
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And when you reach a moment as like a hate watcher of the wholesome Mormon group or something
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like that, where you're like, wait, I can just choose to be like them.
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The problem for a lot of people with something like Mormonism is they're like, then I have
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to make too many sacrifices around things that I want for logical consistency purpose and
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And that's the core purpose of our tracks videos.
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If you haven't seen those, it's like our own religion that our family has that we're trying
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to put together that we'll get back to, it's one of my favorite projects, but it requires
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a lot of intensity in terms of mental effort to write one because I need to think about
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If this ends up working and becomes a religion 500 years from now, how could this be misinterpreted
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to cause hatred or bigotry or, or mass negative action and stuff like that.
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But I'm also trying to create it as a genuine descendant of the Christian and Jewish and Muslim
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traditions, mostly the Christian tradition, mostly my Calvinist ancestry.
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And so I think of it as a form of Christianity, but it requires less, I think, you don't get
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So a lot of people are like, okay, antiquity, but a lot of these older religious traditions
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don't really have that much antiquity in the way they're currently practiced anyway.
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The Kabbalah was only added about a thousand years ago.
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I mean, if you look at Christian frameworks, like a lot of the Protestant beliefs, rapture are
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But debatably, but most scholars think that it's a fairly new belief.
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So these religions evolve all the time and we simply see ours as the, but then we choose
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to believe things that don't make sense to people.
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We're like, yeah, God is real, which is interesting that we call ourselves atheists, but we believe
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Like our Wikipedia says we're atheists, but I'm like, but I also believe in God.
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And people will be like, how do you square that?
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And I'm like, because I don't see God as supernatural.
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I think God like is an actual being that physically exists just at a different point
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in time in a way that we may not understand in a way that we may see as supernatural from
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our own perspective, but not in some other mystical realm, physically real thing, but
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in a way that we may not be able to touch or something like that, but physically within
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our physical constraints, the physical constraints that our reality operates with it.
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But anyway, yeah, I think there was another thing I wanted to say here.
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We just try to make that choice come with as few sacrifices as possible for a broad secularist
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while still motivating the core thing that religion motivates, which is austerity.
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I think that just, you don't need to make all of the individual sacrifices so long as you're
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making sacrifices across your entire life for the greater good and genuinely living with
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They're like, oh, they stack their kids in a barracks, like behind me right here.
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Um, in, in the dad's office and they, they don't put their heat on in the winter and
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it's like, yeah, living with austerity used to be seen as an intrinsically good thing.
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But the final point I want to make here is in response to a question that somebody was
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asking me that I found really interesting and got me thinking where they're like, why
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Like, why are you promoting this ideology where like humanity and the human potential future
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And I said, gosh, yeah, journalists just asked me that yesterday.
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First of all, it's an irrelevant question because groups that don't think that humanity
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is a good thing are going to turn nihilistic and cease to exist.
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So it's not like mimetically an interesting question to me.
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Obviously you need to somehow convince people of this, but two, because it's a choice.
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And I think if we look through history, we do continue to, on the broad scale, improve
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ethically, I think eventually biologically, technologically, in the way we relate to our
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But this is also why I love pro-natalism because I see the next generation is better than the
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That's why we have this weird pro-death stance.
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I think that people after a certain age do not change their mind as much as young people
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But realistically, my kids will be able to call up an AI of me whenever they want because
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We already have some of our fans creating AIs of us that they can interact with, which
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We can't share them yet, but you can put yourself on a list of them for dating advice and stuff
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They're trained on specific side segments of our content.
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And I just can't tell the people who are doing this how much I appreciate that they're
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doing it because it's one of the goals of the creation of all of this for us is to have
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But then presumably my kids will be so much better than me in a few generations that
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they would just see no reason to ask me questions except as a historical curiosity
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of what someone of this previous period would have thought, not as like a fountain of wisdom,
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which I think is the way that we would see if you could summon an ancestor's ghost
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Are you really going to learn anything about reality from them?
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It's an interesting historic curiosity, but I think that's what the life extensionists
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are creating, but then they're going to consolidate power around them, which creates all sorts
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of negative externalities because generally the longer you've been alive, the more you
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And we've seen this with boomers, not letting the next generation rise up and creating an
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They underwent so many hardships and they became better as a society.
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They began to really challenge some of the systemic wicked problems of society and actually
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And then boomers are just like, eh, let's go back.
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But this time against like white people and Jews, like it's wild.
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And it's been carried on the mindset that started with them in some of these younger generations,
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but fortunately in the factions that are going to die out.
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So I love humanity and I think that promoting that love and being excited to be a human and
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excited to be alive and excited to create humans, I hope that this can be the thing that like
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People being happy with who they are rather than this constant struggle to be happy with
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Whether or not you're happy with who you are is a choice and it is not one that you should
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If you are a terrible person that needs to improve, you shouldn't work on trying to be happy
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You should try to work to change yourself into somebody who deserves to be happy with
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I think that's why we're going to end up in a future with people who are like this,
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those who are nihilistic, those who can't bring themselves to imagine why humans should
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exist in the future, aren't going to have kids and their views won't be represented.
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I think what we're trying to fight for with pernatalism though, and what's interesting to me to
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bring this back to the theme that you've highlighted is that what we're trying to fight against
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is a return to the disgust system, because that's what a lot of the numbers look like
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when you look at which groups are going to continue to reproduce and what's going to
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happen when the woke monoculture essentially picks off anyone who's more open-minded or pluralistic
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I want to be clear that a vitalist system is not a pro-beauty system necessarily.
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No, it's a pluralistic, enthusiastic, high-energy system.
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So if I could describe the difference between these two systems.
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In the past, there were some pro-beauty systems, right?
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But pro-beauty systems are intrinsically, I think, over-exclusionary and overly culturally
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conformist around what is beautiful, whereas the disgust, the vitalist systems, think of
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them as the guy who rides into a room on a lion, dressed with an American flag, with
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a torch in one hand and an AR-15 in the other hand, shooting into the sky, singing the national
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That's what I want to be, dressed in cyber armor.
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So that's what I want to represent, this book culture love of true Americana.
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And we've stamped that out outside of specifically approved subcategories.
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I was just checking to make sure I didn't have something, but I've got one at, yeah,
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I was going to talk with the guy from Side Scrollers about working with him on the business
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Because he used to run a large, like a gaming company type thing.
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I was actually thinking of reaching out to Jane Lindsay about doing something on this too,
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he seems really sane and educated, and he could be a good person to rope into an anti-go consultancy firm.
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And the goal would be to fight anti-meritocratic behavior, bigotry behavior that dehumanize
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It's wild when you think about it that there's progressive organizations.
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The organizations have this one body within them, the DEI department, that is specifically
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It's a progressive department to make sure the company never doesn't act too non-progressively,
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yet they don't have a parallel conservative department to make sure they never act too
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Well, I think they see DEI as resolving a wicked problem in society at the level of the corporation,
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because to the point of anti-racism as it is popularized in many spheres, you cannot just
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If you're not actively solving the problem, you're part of it.
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Which somewhat, I would say, shores up with our philosophy in the sense that we agree that
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if you see a mess, it is your responsibility to clean it up.
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I don't care who spilled the milk, you need to wipe it up.
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But what's really interesting is, we'd actually talked about this in a video that I don't
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know if it's going to go live, so I'll briefly mention the idea here because I think it's
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a really interesting concept, and this will be put at the end of the video instead of
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The anti-racism, what it really is, remember how we divided ethical systems into consequentialist,
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like the consequences of your actions are you judge the morality, it's logical, it is
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the rule system that determines your actions, like lying is bad, therefore don't lie, and
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then aesthetic, which is about masculine, in every decision you go, what is the most masculine
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What is the most, you know, these people, what anti-racism really is, it's a logical framework
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for interacting with reality, where with every decision you need to ask, what is the most
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Yeah, or what is the most performatively inclusive, woke position I could possibly take, but it
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No, but I think that that shows how you get bigotry as an end result of that.
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When you do not include, because you're creating a hierarchy of groups within their view of what
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racism is, where certain groups are more worthy of human dignity than other groups.
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There was recently this scandal with a very progressive library that after a cis white
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man leader retired for that library, they hired the perfect DEI, not only a very well-credentialed
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and qualified woman to take the position, but a woman who was not white.
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And where things went wrong for her, and where a huge sort of campaign against her was created,
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I think probably started when she, I think, let go of some underperforming employees who
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also didn't happen to be white, which I think shows where DEI has gone wrong, which is that
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true DEI, which is what this woman was practicing is, yeah, when they were looking for someone who's
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qualified, they chose to hire someone who also brought in a more diverse perspective.
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But then when she actually focused on the outcome and mission of the organization over performative
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preferential treatment for groups that have historically been discriminated against, then
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And I think what's great about anti-DEI, I'm going to keep pitching this to people, is
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If you had allowed her to do her real job, which should be anti-bigotry, you increase the
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When you're doing DEI, you are intrinsically decreasing the efficiency of a corporation because
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you are maintaining like underemploying employees and stuff like that.