Based Camp - Girlbosses Aren't Independent; They're State Sponsored

00:00:00.000 hello malcolm i'm excited to be speaking with you today on another episode of women are terrible 0.55

00:00:06.480 see how the men look at her with utter contempt women know your limits

00:00:12.760 and today we're going to talk about girl bosses and how they're really state-sponsored or the 0.90

00:00:20.180 entire concept of the girl boss may have been a lie um this in other words basically that this 0.94

00:00:25.720 concept of this independent professional woman who depends on nobody this was an astroturf concept

00:00:31.080 like it wasn't organic as you're saying well no it's not actually astroturf it just isn't a thing

00:00:38.000 and and this is the the proposition made by Inez Stepman in this essay that's recently gone pretty

00:00:43.340 viral called the myth of the independent girl boss and it really resonated with people so we're

00:00:48.640 going to get into it and so in this article Stepman writes this isn't how it started she's just I'm

00:00:54.880 I'm going to present her thesis. She wrote, The Atlantic published an essay by Helen Lewis

00:01:00.560 declaring the death of the millennial feminism, while in Slate, Jill Filipic defended the girl

00:01:05.840 boss ideal against what she calls an absolutely enormous anti-feminist backlash within which we

00:01:11.480 are all living. They both take for granted, however, that girl boss has declined from her 0.95

00:01:16.960 cultural primacy. That may be so, but she's taken no comparable hammering in the world of public 0.94

00:01:23.160 policy um and i don't know if you've been following this malcolm but it is true both in 0.88

00:01:28.040 polling and in like general online trendiness that the concept of the girl boss is definitely

00:01:34.100 over it's not cool it's not trendy anymore oh god no not at all yeah it's it's all now like

00:01:39.800 it's more trad wife leaning it's more you know it's it's definitely not it's not cool to be

00:01:46.280 girl bossing that that sort of implies too much if you're progressive that you're leaning into

00:01:50.100 like the capitalist nightmare plus it's all pointless anywhere because of ai and then if

00:01:55.200 you are you know conservative it's it's about you know forsaking family and country and children

00:02:01.340 for what for what endless consumerism it's you know so no one likes it but anyway she continues

00:02:08.700 whether the millennial image of the girl boss with its shrill first person confessional style

00:02:14.400 is fading into chookiness with the inevitable generational pendulum swing.

00:02:19.040 The cornerstone of her appeal, independence from men and family, has never been so popular.

00:02:25.320 On Reddit's infamous rrelationship subreddit, half of all advice given amounts to leave,

00:02:31.200 up from 30% in 2010 and still climbing.

00:02:35.000 Nearly half of Gen Z choose financial independence over romance when surveyed.

00:02:39.400 And nearly three times as many Americans say having a career they enjoy

00:02:42.920 is more important than getting married or having children. In a 2023 submission to the New York

00:02:48.680 Times' excerpt of modern love series, divorcee Maggie Smith exhorts women to never be financially 0.92

00:02:56.000 dependent on a man. So she describes how dependence on anyone has come to be seen as an embarrassment, 0.99

00:03:01.060 which it still is, I think, among women, even though girlbossing is no longer trendy. But she

00:03:05.980 argues that women's dependence has just been shifted from men and family to a complex set

00:03:11.780 of government policies and programs so women are still completely dependent we have an episode

00:03:16.220 we say women have become nuns of the state is that exactly yeah and yeah and i think that's

00:03:20.700 the state and they serve the state uh-huh and it's i think now you know when we said that it

00:03:26.100 didn't really pick up or anything but this was published in like a more widely read thing it

00:03:30.720 really picked up on x not necessarily fully agreed to i'm going to read some of the critical response

00:03:35.780 after we go over her arguments presented but i think people are starting to realize that this

00:03:40.320 idea that women were forsaking marriage and family and no longer dependent, that they were,

00:03:45.080 that this meant that women were independent and empowered? No, they weren't. No, no, they're still 0.92

00:03:49.700 just depending. It's just now there's a lot of like money laundering essentially. So she, she writes

00:03:55.240 the image of the working woman, the girl boss remains the sine qua non of independence. After

00:04:00.780 all, she pays her own bills using money she earned herself or so it seems, but dig into the details 0.77

00:04:05.940 and one learns she is propped up from every angle by laws, taxpayer dollars, and the ability to 0.98

00:04:11.260 externalize the costs of her lifestyle onto others. In other words, the girl boss is often 1.00

00:04:15.940 as much of a dependent as Betty Draper, but her dependence is less honest, laundered through 0.99

00:04:21.780 public policy. So the things that she cites as evidence for her claim are one, state-subsidized

00:04:28.540 childcare. And this is becoming even more trendy because Zorham Amdani and his, you know, just

00:04:32.640 wrapping up his first 100 days is getting started on his universal childcare thing. So more and more

00:04:39.100 people are going to have access to this theoretically, despite income, like, or regardless

00:04:43.700 of their income. She also cites state subsidized universities and student loans. And she points at

00:04:49.300 an angle that I actually didn't know about. So she does write higher education is disproportionately

00:04:53.840 attended and staffed by women. It is also funded in large part by the taxpayer with an output that

00:04:59.220 adds to cultural revolution more than wealth or nations, sorry, the wealth of nations. And that's

00:05:03.520 true. I mean, right now, so many of the degrees people are getting kind of just contribute to

00:05:07.480 societal unrest and don't. Yeah, no, I'm very strongly against removing any government backing

00:05:13.380 of the education system. However, she writes, this is what really surprised me, is she wrote,

00:05:19.740 women, well, it doesn't surprise me, but I didn't know this. Women hold two-thirds of outstanding

00:05:23.820 student debt, nearly all of which has been financed by the federal government. Unless 0.97

00:05:28.320 serious policy changes are made to diffuse this debt bomb, the high default rates will ultimately

00:05:33.240 fall on the taxpayer through whom the government already owns 93% of student loans. So I didn't

00:05:40.980 know that. I mean, that makes sense, right? If women are getting jobs that don't actually

00:05:44.220 make money. Yeah, but I didn't know two thirds of student loans are owned by women. Yeah, this is 1.00

00:05:49.960 literally just a woman handout when they want to default on student loans. I also want to take a 1.00

00:05:54.700 secondary thing here well some people will be like oh well you might be talking about the majority 0.98

00:05:58.340 but it's not that no girl bosses exist you know there's some women who are like independent 1.00

00:06:02.960 powerful ceos and i'd point out in our circles you know we hang out with a lot of tech entrepreneur 1.00

00:06:08.780 types and stuff like that you know vc types everything so we know personally a number of 0.98

00:06:14.920 women who i think the public would perceive as fitting that none of them are really girl bosses 0.77

00:06:19.980 uh it's it's pretty much all fake the like i'm thinking remember the one who like her company 1.00

00:06:25.520 popped off and then she like went crazy and started doing yoga or something yeah yeah and

00:06:31.700 decided to be a yoga instructor and when she had like a company that was worth like 50 million

00:06:35.700 dollars more than that it must have been because bfc major rest it must have been around like 0.97

00:06:40.900 many many so-called girl bosses we've we've met and known in the past like in our silicon valley

00:06:46.360 circles just raised money on a failed startup after a failed startup which is common i mean

00:06:52.920 like men have done this too but they haven't necessarily made anyone money which is another

00:06:57.360 big thing yeah so that's that's also an issue well and then a lot of them get move up in the

00:07:03.140 vc industry without necessarily making good bets right like yeah this is another thing that we 1.00

00:07:07.920 regularly see it's it's it's it's it's they're just are far fewer successful women than people 1.00

00:07:14.460 perceived them to be yeah at least in in the business realm which may just yeah well that's 1.00

00:07:20.260 what boss means girl boss means yes it means that yeah you you're you're yeah there's there's no like

00:07:27.520 girl boss who lives on a homestand and like eats her own food that that that's you know even if 0.97

00:07:33.180 you're not married you're still like a prairie wife even if you're just married to your freaking 1.00

00:07:37.660 field of wheat so she also cites quote the wild proliferation of email jobs and administrative 0.97

00:07:43.920 compliance positions that don't add to the company bottom line. That's a big one. And he talked about

00:07:48.420 that a lot in everything you do, like from the Pragmatist Guide to Crafting Religion to the

00:07:52.480 Pragmatist Guide to Governance, those two books that you wrote, and then also the podcast all the

00:07:56.580 time. So that's true. In addition, she talks, and this is something that we haven't talked about a

00:08:01.040 lot on our podcast, but she cites lawsuit risk-driven affirmative action for women in

00:08:05.580 corporations. So let me write as she describes it. In 1991, reforms to the Civil Rights Act

00:08:11.580 ensured that lawsuits over often spurious sexual harassment claims in the workplace became a major

00:08:18.420 cash cow for litigants. Companies responded by bending the knee to the most easily offended,

00:08:24.620 kicking off the era of political correctness and spawning an enormous industry that trains

00:08:29.340 employees to not harass one another. These reforms also raised the stakes for employees to prove

00:08:35.120 that they were not discriminating on the basis of sex or race in their hiring and promotion

00:08:40.340 practices, pushing them well beyond meritocracy into de facto affirmative action for women and

00:08:45.920 minorities. So there you can see there's this multi-pronged affirmative action program that

00:08:51.140 wasn't explicitly made as affirmative action. And one that like, one, you're in danger if you're not

00:08:56.980 like almost artificially favoring women in promotions and hiring. And two, you're at risk

00:09:03.040 of making a woman a lot of money if she does catch you doing something naughty and sues you

00:09:07.720 successfully and three there's this whole longhouse-based training for don't sexually

00:09:15.660 harass people and I think that that's largely often staffed and run by women um kind of tell 0.99

00:09:22.260 by the horrible bureaucrat nature of them I'll never forget when one of our friends who was 1.00

00:09:28.400 staying here and working from home here showed us the training he was going through and it was

00:09:34.120 so bad it was so bad the government and bureaucracies burn it down like i'm not usually

00:09:41.320 pro-genocide but like something needs to be done about bureaucracy yeah and i was just skimming

00:09:47.940 another substack that i like to read sometimes called the purse which goes over people's budget

00:09:53.860 and finances and it occurred to me that another thing that could be thrown into this category

00:09:59.340 arguably is child support because they're, I was reading the profile of this divorced mother who

00:10:07.520 wrote, I've been single for about five years now. Divorce has been a game changer for me.

00:10:12.820 I would recommend it. My marriage had afforded me a certain amount of privilege as my husband

00:10:18.120 made a good salary and our combined income was close to $200,000. But even though I have less

00:10:23.120 money coming in now and I received some child support, I feel more independent. There's that

00:10:27.680 word and confident about my financial position than when I was married. I think some of it was

00:10:33.120 that when your marriage doesn't feel secure, it can make you feel financially insecure.

00:10:37.680 Like she doesn't have control over all of her money, I guess. And leaving my marriage changed

00:10:42.080 those feelings for me. I'm the only one in charge of my money now. And I like it that way. Her

00:10:47.200 salary as a mental health counselor, again, that's just that sort of female industrial complex is 1.00

00:10:53.260 $85,000 and she gets $1,750 a month in child support payments. So she's so independent. 1.00

00:11:03.480 That's post-tax money. And that, let's see, time is 12, because I'm terrible in math and sleep,

00:11:08.340 is $21,000 a year. So she's making over $100,000 a year, thanks to the fact that her husband is

00:11:18.520 now legally obligated while her ex-husband is legally obligated to financially support her 0.97

00:11:22.740 by the state so i think that also falls into this independent girl boss thing she's like oh i'm 0.98

00:11:27.760 independent now like but she gets a stipend from her ex-husband like that they're legally able to 1.00

00:11:32.820 put men on the hook like that and you see this all the time so many women who are claiming to 1.00

00:11:36.180 be girl bosses are doing stuff like this alimony stipends etc yeah yeah state subsidized stuff 1.00

00:11:41.860 because technically they're at the poverty line but they could be you know shoveling money away 1.00

00:11:46.200 somewhere. Like it's, I think it's really easy if you're unmarried, especially if you're unmarried

00:11:50.940 in an entrepreneur to basically make your income poverty level, and then utilize the very abundant

00:11:59.380 state resources, especially if you're also a parent, you can basically get free healthcare

00:12:03.240 depending on the state, but very likely free healthcare, food assistance, maybe even housing

00:12:08.460 support and free childcare for you and your kid. Like, and that's a healthcare for you and your

00:12:15.900 kid, which is just wow. But yeah, again, not independent, not an actual girl boss. Then she 0.94

00:12:22.000 describes the urban monoculture driven jobs. Again, quoting from her article, even more pernicious is

00:12:28.120 the proliferation of Soviet commissar style jobs, both in the nonprofit and for profit sectors that

00:12:34.220 exist primarily to enforce political agendas rather than to produce value. In the US, the number of

00:12:39.540 human resources jobs, three quarters of which are filled by women, has exploded, roughly doubling

00:12:44.680 from 2014 to 2024 it's unlikely that managing a payroll has before or has become commensurally

00:12:51.320 burdensome in the past 10 years those additional roles exist to enforce diversity laws the entire 0.53

00:12:57.380 dei complex is a giant subsidy for make work positions staffed by women and racial minorities 0.87

00:13:02.780 which yeah yeah and nothing more to say there and hopefully ai i mean ai is going to completely 1.00

00:13:09.000 transform women's role in society because it's going to hopefully take these sorts of positions

00:13:13.660 but the point she made actually which i think is very apt is you don't do this you haven't done

00:13:18.780 this part of any of the businesses but this idea of like payroll and compliance and stuff with state

00:13:24.480 and local taxes etc like that is automated by whatever payroll provider you use there there

00:13:30.320 is nothing to do aside from review and approve pay or ask your you know someone else to approve

00:13:35.480 it for you after you set it up and it's all like automated there's there's nothing complicated to

00:13:40.440 do the software that your business also pays for does it all your job means nothing if that's

00:13:46.300 mostly what you do and like hiring and i don't know maintaining people if if there's a big big

00:13:51.680 big corporation and you're there basically to fight that lawsuit industry referred to earlier

00:13:57.980 in the article then i can understand it right because your job is basically to reduce and

00:14:02.720 remove the company's legal liability by doing the necessary things to show that you are not

00:14:08.460 vulnerable in a lawsuit or liable in a lawsuit, but that's it. That's the only time I can really

00:14:13.400 see it justified. And then basically you should be a lawyer, not an HR person. Anyway, she also

00:14:18.220 talks about, and this is another, another big one is the outsourcing of domestic labor. And it was

00:14:23.740 made possible by lax immigration policies. She writes in major cities, such as New York and Los

00:14:28.340 Angeles, up to half of the nannies on the books are immigrants and the real number is likely higher

00:14:33.620 with many skirting labor laws the profile of other domestic task replacers look similar with

00:14:39.020 cheap delivery services such as doordash and grubhub staples for two-income households too

00:14:43.980 harry to cook dinner incentivizing an enormous black market that rents verified accounts to 0.64

00:14:49.300 illegal immigrants did you know about this malcolm no what so there's this big problem and she she

00:14:56.220 links to an article about this so i fell down a little bit of a rabbit hole on this but there's

00:15:00.620 this whole world of renting out doordash and uber eats and other types of gig work accounts to

00:15:07.280 illegal migrants and immigrants because they can make decent money on them oh so like you create 0.64

00:15:13.660 one and then you have them pay to use it yeah you you rent it out and there's this whole market of 0.99

00:15:20.220 it and like people like sort of dm each other about them and you you pay for access to it and

00:15:25.760 this is troublesome for a couple of reasons. One is like, if for example, and this happens,

00:15:30.720 I've seen a lot of people talk about it on social media, people just stealing their DoorDash orders.

00:15:35.520 So they'll just pick up the order and then eat the dinner. So they don't necessarily use it for

00:15:40.300 earning money. So that's one problem. Another problem is let's say that they commit a crime

00:15:44.740 of some sort, like as an Uber driver or something, it's very hard, obviously, to prosecute or find

00:15:51.400 that person if they are not who they say they were and then of course on top of that one of

00:15:56.480 the articles that i read in relation to this there was there was a big issue of basically

00:16:01.520 people who used to make like you know natural american citizens or whatever used to make a lot

00:16:08.800 of money on doordash and new worry it's like decent money like maybe twenty dollars an hour

00:16:12.120 twenty five dollars an hour good times and now they're basically making next to nothing because 0.99

00:16:16.700 the market is so flooded with all of the illegal immigrants and and they they noted specific times 0.96

00:16:23.520 but it just like exploded basically when people figured it out and the market kind of came online

00:16:27.660 and from one article that was cited by by the author of this one it it says as of december

00:16:35.020 2024 doordash said its screening process prevents over 15 000 prospective dashers from joining the

00:16:41.840 platform or driving due to failing to submit the necessary criteria, basically meaning like they

00:16:47.120 got caught. And that's just the ones that got caught. Monthly deactivations of inauthentic

00:16:52.540 accounts have more than doubled compared to 2023, with all that year's deactivations already being

00:16:57.900 surpassed by July 2024. The company also says it prevents weekly and on average about 4,600 attempts

00:17:06.460 by deactivated dashers who previously violated verification policies from regaining access.

00:17:13.780 So just that gives you a little bit of a picture of like the scale of this issue.

00:17:17.180 But anyway, I think it does.

00:17:19.760 The point that the author is making on the girl boss issue is that there is incredibly 0.97

00:17:23.920 cheap labor that's subsidized by our country's failure to enforce its basic immigration laws.

00:17:30.540 And a lot of this may have taken place in the Biden administration because looking the other

00:17:34.220 way helped to subsidize certain people's lifestyles in a way that they liked and they didn't want that

00:17:39.080 to change so she she notes the following statement that is the article the article's author it's the

00:17:45.640 following adverse effects on society one worsening education and i hadn't thought about this or maybe

00:17:51.260 in a while i remember thinking like you're hearing about it once or twice but worsening education

00:17:55.400 she writes the quality of teaching traditionally a feminine profession at least until the college 1.00

00:17:59.860 level has collapsed along a timeline that suggests that diverting talented women to higher paid 0.97

00:18:06.380 careers was the cause. Let's pause it for the sake of argument that it's better for those ambitious 0.96

00:18:12.040 and intelligent women to be lawyers instead of shaping the future minds of both sexes in the 1.00

00:18:16.640 classroom. Is it better for society as a whole that teaching has been relegated to a low scoring 0.98

00:18:21.920 backup plan that still remains predominantly female? That's an interesting point because we, 0.93

00:18:28.440 you i think it pointed out just the maybe there was one study that showed like the average iq

00:18:32.260 level of people who now get degrees in education and it's kind of abysmal oh you get really bad 0.99

00:18:38.560 like the people who have degrees in education level are like borderline retarded at this point 1.00

00:18:43.380 bad and and you could argue that there's this brain drain of all the women who decided well 0.99

00:18:48.160 i'm going to become a girl boss and now we have really really like low quality educators who are

00:18:56.140 left and of course there are exceptions there are many wonderful teachers out there but on average

00:19:01.260 you know many people who would have been teachers are now trying to girl boss also she and this is

00:19:05.600 something i hadn't heard about talk before and i really i think it's a very good insight she notes

00:19:11.580 the cannibalism of volunteering in philanthropy into paid professional activism i'm gonna oh my

00:19:17.120 god like that's a really good point she writes volunteering in philanthropy on the other hand

00:19:22.940 Once the province of Gilded Age heiresses and women with grown-up children have been 1.00

00:19:28.860 professionalized through correspondingly multiplying female-staffed NGOs. In short, 0.99

00:19:34.160 the feminine impulse toward empathy that used to be predominantly applied to solve problems

00:19:39.320 in one's community has been transformed into a permanent activism as a career. Instead of the

00:19:45.420 Daughters of the American Revolution raising town statuses, we have women whose career advancement 0.93

00:19:50.240 depends on tearing them down yes and that is that is essentially i mean this is an existential

00:19:57.480 civilizational problem yes that this exists and it's something that i think that you know if i

00:20:03.360 or when we accumulate more wealth and have more followership that i would want to attempt to tear

00:20:10.200 down because i think it's it's going to be non-profit the non-profit industrial complex

00:20:15.340 Yeah. I think really shining a light on just how corrupt and pointless it is.

00:20:19.240 And even the ones that people think are, because we've worked in it to some extent,

00:20:23.740 and I do not think people understand how much it's just lighting money on fire.

00:20:27.400 Yeah. Yeah. It's just,

00:20:28.680 it's just funding the lifestyles of a bunch of people who are not actually

00:20:32.020 solving the problem and really just, again,

00:20:35.000 at this concept of activism as a career, we,

00:20:37.400 you talked about a lot in the private guide to governance,

00:20:40.460 how mission creep is inevitable in a nonprofit.

00:20:44.780 if it depends on fundraising for its livelihood.

00:20:49.140 So if you don't make money through your program work

00:20:51.680 or from like just the benefactor

00:20:53.540 who like owns and runs the nonprofit,

00:20:56.160 you're dependent on fundraising to succeed.

00:20:59.080 And so what are you gonna get good at?

00:21:00.560 If you're gonna survive,

00:21:02.260 you're not gonna be good at solving your problem

00:21:04.080 or being focused on addressing the issue

00:21:06.340 that you're built to address.

00:21:07.860 You're gonna be good at raising funds successfully.

00:21:10.580 And that's a very different type of job.

00:21:12.640 And also you have to spend all this money and time on signaling and showing how you're doing a good job, but not actually doing a good job. In fact, the worst the problem is that your nonprofit is supposed to solve the better.

00:21:24.800 What I hadn't thought about was that this also applies to people, that when a person's job depends on their nonprofit, instead of, you know, like they don't need the money, they're just doing this because they want to, they're focused on keeping their job, they're not focused on, you know, doing good in their community or whatever, like actually seeing results.

00:21:48.520 they need to they need to keep their job and that that doesn't necessarily align with the mission

00:21:54.200 so that that was huge for me and I I really yeah I mean it's I like to read a lot of historical

00:21:59.780 texts and and consume that kind of stuff in you know old etiquette guides and whatnot I think

00:22:06.920 we don't understand as people living today how incredibly prevalent it was for married women

00:22:14.300 who were mothers who were busy who had lives to do a lot of meaningful volunteering work

00:22:20.520 and what a big impact that had on communities and what a support it was for local communities

00:22:25.020 and even like larger causes abroad they would you know raise money and give in kinds of donations

00:22:30.380 and now like people there's this like big revelation of like oh my god direct cash

00:22:34.860 grants are so groundbreaking whereas like people just mothers housewives like churches used to just

00:22:43.720 do that still do that but not in as much anymore because we have this giant NGO complex so anyway

00:22:47.740 that was for me she ultimately advocates for basically before you go further yeah how could

00:22:56.060 you break apart the non-profit industrial complex you got a fire lit under you I think so I feel

00:23:02.780 like the Trump administration actually has a shot at this and it's interesting reading this article

00:23:07.220 because she addresses a lot of things the Trump administration is working on you know eliminating

00:23:11.420 all the DEI-related funding, trying to get rid of some of this.

00:23:18.580 I guess you're right.

00:23:19.720 A lot of it does come from the federal government.

00:23:21.700 So just stopping the federal government paying for it is the number one thing.

00:23:25.080 Well, yeah. 0.54

00:23:25.320 So what she advocates for in her article is ending mass immigration that undercuts American 0.98

00:23:29.340 workers.

00:23:29.780 So that's not related to the NGO complex, but no more affirmative action for women or 1.00

00:23:34.100 lawsuit paydays for women. 1.00

00:23:35.700 She advocates for no more federal loans for universities and female-dominated majors and 0.99

00:23:40.660 degrees that don't pay for themselves. And I think that would be a big one because a lot of 1.00

00:23:44.880 the NGO positions are, I would say, moderately downstream of NGO position degrees. And there's

00:23:55.380 a lot of them out there. A lot of them. I think you're right. Yeah. And she also, oh, and she

00:24:00.460 also, one of her specific things is no more funding for what she calls the female dominated 1.00

00:24:05.720 NGO complex. So yeah, just not giving those grants anymore. I mean, largely dismantling USAID was a 1.00

00:24:12.020 huge step in the right direction. I also think that as, and you pointed this out in some other

00:24:16.820 episodes, and there've been some articles about this, the generation of philanthropists that used

00:24:22.280 to give to these types of organizations dies out. These organizations will start to die out as well.

00:24:29.760 So maybe give it time. I don't know, but yeah, we've got to think about this. Yeah. How do you

00:24:34.900 take it out. Apologies in advance to my friends who work at these. Sorry, but they're wrong and

00:24:41.420 evil. They're all women and they're not doing anything. I mean, can you guys see that? So 1.00

00:24:47.240 terrible. Once these women are unemployed and desperate, then they'll get married, right? We 1.00

00:24:53.000 just got to cut them off from state funding too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now we have to, now we have to

00:24:57.800 go for all the state funded programs. I don't know if you saw, but the Trump administration's

00:25:01.780 most recent pro natalist move was to change title 10, which used to provide a lot of basically

00:25:09.060 birth control support, I think grant funding. And now they're like, no, it can't be about that

00:25:17.460 anymore. We're not going to fund you. If you, for example, aren't going to rat on teenage girls who

00:25:23.320 are trying to get like abortions or birth control or, or STD testing, we're going to tell our

00:25:27.580 parents like you have to tell our parents no more of that so one thing that they're trying to do 1.00

00:25:32.660 essentially is prevent the urban monoculture from standing between young ladies and their families 0.86

00:25:38.820 which i think is really good that's really based it's like no until they're adults these young 0.98

00:25:45.600 women belong to the culture of their families give those cultures a chance well people are

00:25:51.320 gonna be like well then more young women are gonna get pregnant accidentally and it's like well then

00:25:54.420 more young women have babies good for them i mean yeah one of our friends too raffi grinberg

00:26:00.440 his he just published a rather controversial sub stack article on why one of the greatest

00:26:06.140 threats to human civilization is birth control like we're seeing a shift here raffi posted that

00:26:11.520 that's spicy for raffi it's spicy i know i love it can he enter his spice era because i'm ready

00:26:17.620 for it i'm super ready yeah we'll see you can come on base camp the spice must flow it's good

00:26:22.900 right yes what what would we do to to rile him up if we got him on base camp i don't know man

00:26:30.300 i don't know i don't know if i mean maybe we're too spicy for him to come on but i'll invite him

00:26:35.860 if you're up for it i think that'd be fun do you think it would be good like i'd only want to do

00:26:39.860 it if we could get something really spicy to talk about yeah well yeah i guess we'll see we'll see

00:26:45.180 but yeah i i things are shifting so yeah anyway the trump administration was basically no more

00:26:50.260 of this allowing state funding for removing girls from accountability in their own cultures

00:26:56.280 while they're still in their parents' households.

00:26:59.380 So I think, again, the Trump administration is really on the forefront of this.

00:27:03.740 And as much as people like to be like, well, they're doing nothing, they're actually doing

00:27:07.120 a lot.

00:27:07.880 And I think that's cool.

00:27:09.260 But anyway, the whole point of this article, and this sums it up with a final quote, I'll

00:27:13.220 read from it until we get to the critical response.

00:27:15.080 She writes, but let's be clear, the status quo is maintained by a network of laws and 1.00

00:27:19.280 policies that push women out of the home and into the workforce. Women who would prefer to work 1.00

00:27:25.220 part-time or not at all while their children are young, still the substantial majority must take 0.93

00:27:31.720 or must make heavy sacrifices to do so. Sacrifices that were unnecessary 40 or 50 years ago,

00:27:37.760 which is super true. So anyway, First Things, which is the platform that this article was published on,

00:27:43.000 they posted this to x the the author as well and s stepman also posted it a bunch of times

00:27:49.360 and it got decent traction though made a lot of people real mad real mad though my favorite take

00:27:55.240 came from kathy reisenwitz who wrote there is no girl boss versus trad wife fight both are media 0.96

00:28:02.400 inventions most women have kids and work now and also at every point in recorded history and that

00:28:08.920 is true what we're really talking about is kind of enough of my a minority to cause a meaningful 1.00

00:28:13.320 difference and to cause real damage but most women are like not terminally online pretty based

00:28:19.960 working and raising kids like that that is normal i i agree but okay here are the complainers so

00:28:26.720 great username a hollow earth turf as in t-e-r-f not ground wrote the myth of the independent boy

00:28:35.100 boss. This lifestyle could not exist if not for 13 years of free public schooling, FAFSA loans

00:28:41.800 available for both college and trade schools, free labor from female partners and relatives to do 1.00

00:28:46.920 their cooking, cleaning, child care, the GI Bill, etc. So she's trying to point out that men also

00:28:52.700 get help, but I think she doesn't address adequately the fact that women disproportionately 0.95

00:28:58.060 get the lawsuit paydays. They disproportionately get the child support if there's a divorce. 1.00

00:29:07.040 They disproportionately get the DEI jobs, the bureaucrat jobs, the email jobs, the useless

00:29:13.440 degrees where they're not paying off their student loans that are probably going to get forgiven or

00:29:18.360 forgotten or inflated away. So I don't buy it. Jill Philippic wrote, I guess the answer here

00:29:25.580 is for women to return to subsidizing the male lifestyle which would not exist if women didn't 0.79

00:29:31.340 massively subsidize it by doing men's cooking cleaning laundry child care and all other manner

00:29:36.780 of life organizing well you do that for me i do but here's the thing and because i'm like it's true

00:29:44.540 and there's a lot like the the actual cost of that is incredibly high

00:29:50.060 but here's what if i wasn't doing that for you you just wouldn't get those things and you'd be fine

00:29:55.580 that's true yeah men never asked for that men didn't need their home to have potpourri in it 0.88

00:30:03.080 and to be decorated for halloween and to they don't need their stupid little like you just 1.00

00:30:09.300 ate jelly beans for breakfast because i didn't catch you soon enough to give you properly 0.57

00:30:12.820 made scrambled eggs with a little whatever i get scrambled eggs like once a week don't pretend

00:30:17.900 like you give me breakfast i gave i made i made a scrambled egg helicopter for octavian this morning

00:30:22.860 i try i try i ask you every morning and you're like i just want milk but that's the thing he's

00:30:28.600 like i want to do a high effort breakfast for you no this is i think you're catching something

00:30:34.060 really big here women subsidized men to live the type of life that they wanted women want yeah

00:30:44.580 men didn't ask for that i don't want my clothes cleaned every day i can clean them before i 0.81

00:30:51.160 I mentioned it's once every six months or so, you know, like, I don't know. You're like,

00:30:54.680 Simone, why are you keeping my kids clothes? I'm like, well, it's covered in mud. You're like,

00:30:57.820 it's not going to get them sick. So it's, yeah. I don't need the floors clean. I don't need things

00:31:02.640 organized. This is all ridiculous extra. I know. And that's the thing is like, no,

00:31:08.640 women didn't subsidize men because the men would have been fine without that. And they would have 1.00

00:31:12.900 gone in to build things and do cool stuff without that. Like that is just increasing. It's adding

00:31:18.660 luxury to their standard of living i mean i'm sure you don't mind having the meals that i make

00:31:23.300 for you in a cleaner house and you know not getting a staph infection from your clothing

00:31:27.560 but like you could be fine you'd go to an emergency room and get treated for it and then maybe throw

00:31:33.380 away and burn your clothing and buy all new stuff but like you know you'd be fine it's like the that

00:31:39.140 one episode from parks and rec where they go into god what's their names chris pratt's house and

00:31:45.220 like there's an exposed wire above the bathtub as well oh yeah shock wire i call it that because

00:31:51.860 if you take a shower and you touch the wire you die yes that is accurate and like that's that is 0.51

00:32:00.240 the level that is the standard with which men are very happy to live they're fine with it they're 0.59

00:32:05.080 just like don't touch the shock wire room like that is your room your entire room is the shock

00:32:10.340 wire i swear to god i don't go in there scared jordan peterson's whole like clean your room

00:32:15.900 he's the long house is he the male long house what is that jordan peterson is the male long

00:32:21.740 house i could even be an episode like the male yeah i'm kind of ready for no but man i'm gonna

00:32:28.180 tell you something you don't need to do that you don't need to change you just need basic grooming

00:32:33.580 and your clothes need to not smell bad okay that is when you wash them when they smell bad or look

00:32:38.900 that malcolm you've you've crossed that rubicon i'm sorry friend but i literally have to close

00:32:45.340 the door to my room because if that's my entire room i feel like i'm going to throw up that is 0.97

00:32:54.440 how bad it is do you want to do you want to do a room clean this weekend in the name of health

00:33:03.400 and safety please yes um how long is it about a year i don't know you don't like it when i do it

00:33:11.520 you're like um i i i work super hard to like disinfect it and and distinctify it and take

00:33:17.460 like scrape the like layers of like rotted cheese that somehow ended up on the floor

00:33:24.640 and then you're like oh you know like i mean it's you're not trying to dismiss the work i did it's

00:33:31.140 just it it's it's worse for you like i've broken the rats like your nest has been ruined the the

00:33:39.420 patina the terroir is gone you know it's true it's it's it is it is it does worse for a bit

00:33:46.740 because it's too clean so much yeah you have to like you have to build back in the it's like an

00:33:51.880 unseasoned pan you know like you now have a seasoned pan you know you work and i just i just

00:33:58.860 take dish dump to the thing and ruin it and ruin it you can't make any good dishes in there anymore

00:34:03.800 oh i'm so sorry malcolm i understand that there are safety health and safety reasons probably at

00:34:09.080 this point to do something about my room's situation when you you know yeah when you

00:34:14.200 reach the asthma gold level of like the smell of the rotting rat that cooks in the sun wakes me up

00:34:19.360 every morning but that's like that's like i've got my life together more than asthma gold and

00:34:23.740 the answer is no i do not but i think actually asthma goals is another really great you know

00:34:28.060 he's very good at articulating this level of of of standard of living with which men are happy to

00:34:34.280 live he's like listen you know in like a like two hours I could clean this up and like he'll say

00:34:39.980 this when he sees people like hoarded houses and stuff that are really ruined on a stream or

00:34:43.960 something but in reference to his own house and it's true like you know you go through your room

00:34:48.420 with a with a couple big trash bags and like it gets done whereas like I will spend all this time

00:34:53.440 every single day to try to keep things up to like you know the 80th percentile um and it's a lot of

00:35:00.200 extra time and you're like why would you do that that's stupid it's wasteful but that's just like 0.66

00:35:03.340 women versus male preferences so women being like I do all this work for you no they do all that work 0.90

00:35:08.140 for themselves but that's why it's very difficult for men and women to live with each other anyway 0.99

00:35:12.400 Emily May wrote TLDR women used to do a bunch of shit that ran the whole families and communities

00:35:18.520 for free but now they have jobs and less time to do those things never mind that most community 1.00

00:35:23.240 building work, volunteering, unpaid labor, et cetera, is done by women. And we are mad about 1.00

00:35:28.000 that. But if women bring up that it's exhausting, always being the ones expected to do those things, 1.00

00:35:33.480 we will say that women put way too much pressure on themselves and no one asked them to be the 1.00

00:35:39.100 weavers of social fabric. So just stop. Have you no agency? I think this is just another example 1.00

00:35:44.360 of like women being like, how dare you not recognize the work that I do? That's only for 1.00

00:35:51.300 me that no one asked for nobody it's really that way even living with you you know it's like

00:35:56.360 i've asked you for example the kids beds should really be changed at least only once every two

00:36:01.700 weeks malcolm you've i know what's here the cheese the milk the urine the vomit

00:36:12.400 our kids are going to accumulate one more week without them getting sick

00:36:17.020 is this violent i can't hear myself think over a mess like i would be so much more productive as a

00:36:27.860 human if i were not surrounded by the level of mess that i already am like it's painful for me

00:36:35.860 it's like like a dog whistle no one else can hear it but me and it hurts it hurts so bad oh my god

00:36:44.280 But yeah, I know, I know it's for me. But also, I know how these women feel, because, you know, I'm scraping the vomit off of a pillow or something. And I'm grumbling, like, why am I the only one who ever does this? And it's because I'm the only one who ever cares, right? 1.00

00:37:02.280 um and that's that's this tension that i think exists between average male and average female

00:37:07.880 standards that we just have to acknowledge is there and i think you and i have reached a very

00:37:12.300 healthy detente where you're like simone's gonna simone and i'm like malcolm's gonna malcolm and

00:37:16.880 you have your room and i have my room over here i've got my flowers i've got your tiles of pans

00:37:22.340 it's all good his and hers mars and venus okay we just have to accept that and just like let 0.61

00:37:29.720 the yin and the yang do their do their thing okay it's fun and then labor your y-axis wrote one

00:37:38.840 most people do not regularly order doordash or uber eats or have a nanny go out and meet some

00:37:44.440 real people two perhaps you should be at home instead of working or taking your baby out for

00:37:49.760 cocktails which i guess maybe this author did and then dreamweaver responded over 75 percent of

00:37:55.800 americans use delivery services you're incorrect here as for nannies you're correct and i mean i

00:38:01.260 think it's fair that like not everyone constantly orders out and stuff but i did a fact check on

00:38:08.200 this and what that person was saying 75 of americans order out no see that's that that is

00:38:13.540 where this person was actively misleading one analysis found that about 75 of americans have

00:38:19.600 used a food delivery app at least once you and i have for sure yeah but like once every three years

00:38:26.900 yeah well no we did it when we were in new york with your mom who'd be like okay everyone we're

00:38:31.280 getting food on same west and so that that's when we did it but yeah we've never like i wouldn't pay

00:38:36.220 for that myself right like that's incredibly misleading it's actually though it's somewhat

00:38:40.480 striking still to me because this it's just so one eating at a restaurant is already like a

00:38:45.820 strike on your financial responsibility record in my book two ordering out is like wait are you

00:38:51.680 serious what are you doing and then three like it because typically you can get free delivery from

00:38:57.320 a local restaurant but using doordash or uber eats then you're paying even more i'm like okay 0.55

00:39:03.040 now you're just a financial tard so that is like three strikes and one you gov survey found that

00:39:10.800 17% of Americans have food delivered at least once per week and that's another another national 0.88

00:39:18.620 restaurant research-based summary found weekly delivery users at about 37% of U.S. adults

00:39:25.760 which is wow 37% are weekly delivery guys if any of you are in our audience can you just

00:39:32.700 either send that money to us or light it on fire do something you just don't yeah like you feel

00:39:37.980 really cool i mean i think it's a federal offense right to burn money but like you feel a lot cooler

00:39:44.020 doing yeah it's cooler right yeah i mean and if you're anti-immigrant apparently you shouldn't be

00:39:50.680 shouldn't be ordering doordash because what are we doing for dinner tonight

00:39:55.400 i was gonna suggest to make some of those very fine vermicelli noodles with the broth if i can

00:40:05.540 find it and those meatball things i actually really wanted that broth tonight but i don't

00:40:09.620 need it with noodles okay i guess i can do with noodles i mean i figured the noodles and the

00:40:15.080 meatball thing or just the broth because it's it's also like it's in the 80s today so it's

00:40:20.240 really warm yeah let's just do the broth okay so with the meatball things or not because my goal

00:40:26.980 is to empty out the meatballs from the freezer it's a tom young broth is that what it's called

00:40:32.840 right oh no the the meatball things i would do with buns on a different night oh hawaiian buns

00:40:40.780 yeah like two meatballs on hawaiian buns that are toasted would be like really good

00:40:45.700 vietnamese meatball yeah the vietnamese ones either puck chow or whatever they're called

00:40:50.760 something like that but you're really good good well yeah it's hot now so i'm trying to think

00:40:57.840 of things that you would like that are hot friendly you don't need to your your your food

00:41:04.740 is i'm not a temperature dependent eater i need something a little bit healthy oh i want to use

00:41:11.100 a lot of the green onions we have left so maybe i'm just so out of it after leaflet stream

00:41:16.260 yesterday i would just look at it so it literally went from what was it because i was looking at it

00:41:21.980 here it literally went from 7 p.m to 5 a.m and it got 20.7 000 views good lord i mean

00:41:33.300 and of course you know it'll be clipped put on youtube and then get another 20 000 views or

00:41:39.420 something oh i really look forward to watching those two of my favorite people finally i get

00:41:44.560 to watch i that's that's worlds collide for me i'm really looking forward to that yeah no it's

00:41:49.300 it's a lot of fun we'll just try to make it a regular thing so every other friday i may do it

00:41:55.920 yeah i learned doing it on a weekday is stupid i'm not i'm not subjecting myself to that again

00:42:01.800 because i basically need to sleep the entire next day well but you need to help me out with

00:42:06.440 the kids on weekends so i can work well i will do that too but i will get to sleep in you know so

00:42:12.940 oh oh right because you have to bring weekday episodes live i forgot you have basically a

00:42:17.780 standing appointment at 8 a.m every morning okay yeah that's a good idea that's also good because

00:42:23.260 you were invited to do a chris williamson roundtable in austin next tuesday and for you to

00:42:29.960 fly out it's with like limestone and some other people and what other people i mean how many

00:42:37.540 yeah i can check right now but i'm like dude you should do it you should i should and also like

00:42:44.780 you need a change of scene i think you've not like last night's experience for you like just

00:42:49.660 getting to chat with someone who like wasn't me it's really good for you so let's see she said

00:42:55.560 yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe brad wilcox and maybe coleman hughes brad wilcox he's the guy who runs

00:43:05.420 the whatever institute he has to do for family studies he's a he's like the sort of pro marriage

00:43:11.320 guy he was super cool like it would be super fun in in chris williamson's studio in austin

00:43:18.100 i think you should do it okay do i have your let's get to booking that okay i mean obviously

00:43:26.440 i handle your life with all my stupid feminine standards 1.00

00:43:30.940 booking all your stuff you know cleaning all your stuff that you don't want clean how dare i 0.95

00:43:39.640 anyway how dare you how dare i i love you too you know this could be fun going down to austin

00:43:47.180 see chris again i haven't met brian whatever his name is i think we met brad wilcox at the first

00:43:53.800 art conference oh yeah yeah very cool but we're terrible with names so you wouldn't remember

00:44:01.360 i'm sure once you started talking with him you'd be like oh yeah okay right you're super cool

00:44:06.280 thank you yeah maybe you could meet up with razib while you're in town i don't know

00:44:10.340 yeah see who's around yeah okay i'll get to organizing that for you and i think you'll

00:44:15.940 have a good time good anyway i love you and goodbye bye-bye

00:44:20.540 okay well i love you today's episode didn't do that well but it didn't seem to do particularly

00:44:27.860 poorly either you know it's 10 out of 10 it's not like let's see what we're at right now

00:44:34.500 compared to your other ones recently perhaps is that's the issue you know 6.4k

00:44:40.900 6.4k is terrible

00:44:43.780 really isn't for like what's your convention to attend

00:44:50.800 come on man it's a good look i like it

00:44:55.360 okay can we turn off the light on you a little bit okay i also sent you the video for twitter

00:45:02.020 thank you okay let me get that downloading now

00:45:05.760 because i have the patreon post just sitting there but

00:45:10.680 then right after this and before i go down to very interesting experience to stream one i didn't

00:45:16.880 know that streamers had to stream for that long streams do seem to last a really long time which

00:45:22.700 is it i think one reason why you end up getting streamers as being some of the most popular news

00:45:29.320 commentary people because one they need to fill their time slot and two you can take clips from

00:45:34.740 that and turn them into youtube videos and be prolific so you have prolific news commentary

00:45:41.440 on current events from people also who have been forced to really hone their work because they're

00:45:48.240 spending a lot of time doing it they're getting constant chat feedback and even like monetary

00:45:53.060 rewards for really like doing a good job so is it any surprise i mean these are people who are being

00:45:59.960 circumstantially trained to be the best yeah you've got it i mean it's a completely different

00:46:06.040 art form than doing youtube videos or something like that and i had to edit you have to be like

00:46:10.640 rapid fire instant feedback that's how you develop the best intuition on top of the chat for people

00:46:16.420 who aren't aware i was on leaflet's channel and we streamed from 7 p.m till 6 a.m it was

00:46:24.640 like like it was a lot of respect for her but yeah i was like you do this every day

00:46:31.560 she's amazing and well and on top of that developing like a whole

00:46:37.400 whole platform a whole nother world and and all the way she runs a number of businesses 0.61

00:46:43.440 oh yeah also the plushy the plushy business she's she's a plushy baroness she's yeah she 0.88

00:46:49.520 she has it all what can what can we say we should we get plushies made someone

00:46:54.020 with giant glasses well i don't know what what are our avatars we don't do we have

00:47:00.660 i guess i'll ask ai a gear a gear has like zero personality so i don't know how that's gonna go

00:47:07.860 we can just sell giant really heavy metal gears just get them from machine parts companies you

00:47:13.340 you have extras from your run sell them to us send people gear we'll put them in our etsy shop

00:47:18.560 and mark like everybody else is like squishy and fun and us is just like an industrial buy your

00:47:23.280 gear get you literally real like literally gotta get your gear yeah gotta get the gear

00:47:28.760 we'll make a great ai commercial for it just you wait she showed me a great new service for doing

00:47:36.800 ai videos way better than any i have seen before which is here i'll share it with you okay

00:47:42.580 it's a seed dance never heard of that oh and if i hadn't just woken up i would have experimented

00:47:53.540 with it already i'm looking at integrating it with our website to see if we can get working 1.00

00:47:57.160 on our fab.ai okay let's try that out but i will get us into today's episode because it's a women 1.00

00:48:03.740 are terrible episode women are terrible on this episode of women are terrible people are sure to 1.00

00:48:10.600 click on that like guys love learning oh my god yeah and then the lethal one they're like simone's

00:48:15.780 always more anti-woman than malcolm it's easier for me to do the anti-woman ones i don't know i

00:48:21.800 was just watching an arrest video that asmund gold was commenting on during his stream where

00:48:26.280 a woman gets arrested from refusing to leave a ross because she wasn't allowed to not pay for

00:48:33.180 things because her boyfriend works there something something really yeah and asmund gold was

00:48:38.600 commenting because i think he watches a lot of body cam footage on his stream like the the female 0.91

00:48:44.200 law enforcement officers just tend to put up a lot less with women's nonsense it's like zero zero 1.00

00:48:51.320 pity they know exactly what's going on so there's that oh the jelly beans aka gummy bears according 1.00

00:48:58.740 to i just woke up and i need to stay awake breakfast of champions yeah you jelly beans

00:49:03.500 are the breakfast of champions yeah okay that's i would have made you

00:49:10.860 it's fine it's fine simone it's fine

00:49:15.660 okay okay here we go

00:49:25.580 what are you working on indy

00:49:26.620 okay so what's wrong with your peanut butter sandwich

00:49:35.420 is it oh is it that it has peanut butter on it

00:49:47.920 so next time you want a peanut butter sandwich but with no peanut butter

00:49:52.680 What do you want next time?

00:50:01.160 Only honey?

00:50:07.260 I don't think that's good for you, though.

00:50:14.140 You like honey?

00:50:16.340 I do, too. I think a lot of people like honey.

00:50:20.820 Octavian.

00:50:23.620 What did you learn about this morning?

00:50:28.400 Oh, I forgot the other night.

00:50:33.220 You forgot what you learned about this morning yesterday.

00:50:36.940 That's how forgetful you are.

00:50:39.900 Yeah, I forget the other day very well.

00:50:44.120 I forget the other day?

00:50:45.760 What does that mean?

00:50:47.820 Like, my brain is like...

00:50:50.780 He doesn't have a readin' brain.

00:51:01.220 He doesn't have a readin' brain.

00:51:03.060 I realize when I type in AI, I type in learnin'.

00:51:07.080 I don't know, I don't think I tell you.

00:51:09.580 You do not.

00:51:10.380 Like, the way he'll be like, he ain't got good learnin'.

00:51:13.820 Can you learn me something today?

00:51:16.100 Learnin'.

00:51:16.900 Of course.

00:51:18.380 AI thinks I'm an idiot, for sure.

00:51:20.780 Look, it knows everyone's an idiot. I think that's the key thing.

Based Camp - April 16, 2026

Girlbosses Aren't Independent; They're State Sponsored

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