Giving Poor Populations Money Lowers Their Birth Rate？
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In this episode, we talk about the growing gap between rich and poor families, and why poor people are more likely to have more kids than their wealthier counterparts. Why is it that rich people are having more kids, but poor people aren t? And why is this happening?
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Hello, Malcolm. I'm excited to be speaking with you today because there's this thing I've really
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been stuck on recently. And I think I'm realizing that what it means to be rich and what we thought
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it means to be poor is, is fundamentally changing and actually inverting and not the way you'd
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think. So, so specifically rich people are starting to live like poor people used to live and poor
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people are increasingly living like rich people used to live. You know, you just say this up front
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and I'm like, oh my God, this actually checks out when I look like our poor friends. Yeah. And you
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can see this coming in all sorts of places, which we'll talk about, but most notably, and I want to
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couch this in, in this larger context, you can see this most notably in recent shifts in fertility.
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And this, this is actually, it's a big deal. It has pretty significant implications and I want us
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to explore it. So let's just dive right in. And I'll start with it on the fertility front is sort
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of like premise setting thing to sort of get us into this thought experiment and like, whoa,
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what's going on here? This doesn't make sense. In September, New Mexico's governor announced that
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New Mexico will be the first U S state to offer universal free childcare, regardless of income,
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which is, it's huge. Average household savings are estimated to be around $12,000 per child,
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which checks out per year. And I actually think that's a major understatement because when we had
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just three kids, we were spending around 4,000 a month. So around 50,000 a year,
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we had to obviously stop because it burned through our savings. And that was for the daycare with a
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terrible reputation, the daycare that a bunch of kids died at. Yeah. Yeah. Not, not the location
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our kids were at, but you know, in New York, a very close location. Yeah. And this, this comes at a time
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also, and we've reported on this separately when polling indicates that Americans want the U S to focus
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on measures like this to calm black declining fertility rates and not other things. They're
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just like, Oh, just pay for my childcare, like stay out of my life, but like make it easier.
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So what you would expect from things like free childcare is, I mean, this is what I would
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intuitively expect is if the state covers major basic costs of having kids, then rich people
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are going to have fewer kids as their standards for raising kids are higher. And then, and, and poor
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people, people have modest means for who this daycare expensive is. It's, it's huge, right?
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Like it's devastating. They would have more kids. So like middle class and lower class people would
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have more kids and rich, rich people would have still fewer kids. Like it wouldn't affect them
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because do you remember what your mom said about how much money we needed? Like per kid.
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Yeah. She's like, well, you need a million dollars in income per year.
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Per, per kid. Cause she's unhinged, but that, that is a rich person norm around kids, right?
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Yeah. You just think that like, well, but rich people have really unsustainable standards around
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how much kids cost. You know, they have all these nannies and all the clothes and all the activities
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and like, they want to fly around the world with them. And so they're too expensive. They wouldn't
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have more kids just because childcare is paid for, but no, no. And this is what's so crazy.
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Starting in 2017, we've seen a shift in wealthy countries that largely cover things like childcare
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and education and healthcare in which wealthier and more educated families are having more children
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than poorer and less educated families. I don't believe it. No, it's true. It's true. I don't believe
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it. I will show you the data. No, man, this is insane. So the key question is why does giving
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resources to poor people not increase their fertility proportionally to rich people? Because
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that is a, that is a, like, this is so perplexing and what people are arguing. So it, when you go
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into this, and even when you go into like the academic research covering this inversion and this strange
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trend, they're like, Oh, well, when, when, when the state doesn't offer generous social services,
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wealthy families aren't willing to pay for having kids, but somehow poor families are there. Like,
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they're literally arguing this and, and they're basically arguing that basically having to work
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at all as poor people do competes with family demands. But I, I hesitate to buy that at all
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because wealthy people still work and have aggressive schedules. Like we know this, we have a lot of
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wealthy friends and they are extremely busy. And they're also, well, no, that's, we're going to get
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to that. That is true. Cause maybe that's not so true. Also though, why are they giving money to poor
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people? These are also legit questions, but also like wealthy people have kids in more expensive
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ways, not just in that, like, they want to get them the nannies and the fancy clothes and the fancy
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toys, and they want to fly them everywhere and do things like that. But like, they're, they're typically
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waiting to have kids and then until they're older and more infertile. So they're more likely to need
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fertility treatments and need IVF and have more complicated pregnancies or even use surrogates,
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you know, that's really common. Right. So like, that would also make me think that they're going
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to have fewer kids. In fact, IVF is so expensive. People are increasingly traveling abroad to get it.
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And to, to the extent that we're seeing major mainstream news outlets covering it recently.
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IVF clinic is going to open the Philippines and do like embryo testing. Is that happening still?
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Do you have a memory on that for like our fans?
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We're under an NDA, so I can't say anything, but once, once we have an update, we can share
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information, but like CBS news recently did an article about it. They talked about one couple
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that found a clinic in Bogota that they were going to, that offered a package of four IVF rounds for
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$11,000, which, you know, compared to like the $60,000 it would cost to do four rounds. Then that's
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on the lower end in the United States. That's like really good. So my hypothesis here is that the
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issue is more that governments and societies are turning poor people into wealthy people,
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or at least people who live like wealthy people historically lived and turning wealthy people
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into poor people, or at least the way that poor people used to live. And, and, and we'll, we'll
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explore that in greater detail, but first I just want to give a caveat. And, and this can be really
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summed up well by a thread that, that more births did when covering this, this research.
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You know, he's going to love this data, right? Is Lyman stone.
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Actually, I'm also going to cover Lyman stone had actually, he didn't chime in about this just as
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it came out because this was a 2025 thing. I'm going to, I'm going to look at Lyman stone as a
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take on this. He published in April of last year though, or like spring of last year, but in this
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thread, more births explains a lower income has been associated with higher fertility, but now that
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the relationship is completely flipped. He writes in many developed countries, higher incomes are
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now associated with higher fertility, almost everywhere in Europe, both for men and women
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at 2025 paper shows. And we're going to look at that paper, his second tweet though. And this is
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important, but this is only within countries across countries. The correlation between income and
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fertility remains very negative. Wealthy countries continue to have far lower birth rates than poor
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countries. Also fertility tends to go down for countries as a whole, as they get richer. Also,
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I kind of just wanted to, to show you this thread just because one of the animations that shows
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basically the fertility of countries going down as they get wealthier literally looks like sperm.
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Look at, look at, look at the link I just said.
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What is wrong with you? Come on, look at juvenile.
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It's thematic. It's thematic. Okay. I just find that extremely amusing.
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Yeah. There's, there's little sperm swimming down hills. They get wealthier. Their fertility
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goes down along with their sperm motility as their testosterone levels plummet. But obviously
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wealthy countries, fertility rates being low, it is important to be looking at what we can do to
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increase fertility in these countries. And it's pretty wild that now the wealthier people,
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yeah, outside of, yeah, outside of that. So let's, let's look at this wealthy country shift
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that we need to investigate. So for most of the 20th century, there was a negative relationship
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between wealth and fertility in Europe. Wealthier individuals typically had fewer children while
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poorer families had more. Everyone knows this. We talk about this a lot. However, starting around
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2017, this pattern weakened, and it's been even reversed in several prosperous, and this is the
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important thing, prosperous European countries by 2021. In some places, the association is now neutral,
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even slightly positive. And similar patterns hold when using education as a proxy for income. So low
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educated Nordic women and men now have the lowest fertility and highest childlessness, 15 to 36% in
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recent cohorts, while higher educated groups have stabilized near replacement levels around 1.8 to
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2.0 children. What countries is this in? The Nordic countries. The Nordic countries. So the Nordic
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countries is now the lower income and lower education you are as a man, the lower your fertility
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rate. And woman. And woman. And woman. And woman. But here's, no, there are different,
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there are different regional and gender variations that I'm glad you're pointing to this. So in Nordic
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countries, such as Sweden, studies show a clear positive connection between high lifetime earnings and
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having more children, especially among men. But for women, the relationship shifted from women having
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more kids up to women born around the 1940s to positive or flat in the 70s cohorts, with the poorest
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women now having the fewest children due to higher childlessness rates. In Southern Europe, however,
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prenatal wealth, or sorry, parental wealth is still related to lower fertility.
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So in poorer countries, the poorer you are, the higher your fertility rate is.
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But in wealthier countries, the poorer you are, the lower their fertility rate is. And it seems to be
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correlated with the amount of social services that poor people are getting. So the aim to sterilize the
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poor is to give them money. So that's why we're giving poor people money.
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Yeah, they're trying to steal. No, but seriously, in European countries with limited social welfare
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support, like if they don't have free childcare, if they don't have universal healthcare, fertility rates
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among wealthier citizens generally show only a weak positive association or sometimes remain lower,
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especially in Southern and Eastern Europe. So in Southern Europe, and some conservative welfare
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states like Greece and Italy, with weak higher parental wealth does not strongly correlate or compensate for
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limited public support. In contrast, Nordic countries and regions with extensive social support show a
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clearer trend. High income individuals, especially men, tend to have more children. And so what spurred this
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discourse about this and the paper that Marberth cited that just came out this year? Oh my god,
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can you hear a text snoring? No. Oh my god. You can put the microphone up there for all of the ladies
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I think I've woken him up. Oh dear. Oh, you woke him up.
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Crumbs. Oh god, I just, when he snores, it's the cutest sound ever, but whatever. I, the moment is past, I ruined it.
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But so, right, so there was a paper that came out that discussed this trend that is, that is the whole spark of all this.
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And it's called, let's see, it is the, it is the sexiest and most catchy title of all research papers.
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A research note on the increasing income, pre-reported parenthood, country-specific or universal in Western Europe?
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That is, that is the title. Not exactly the best. But the TLDR is, they're trying to argue that wealth is beginning to correlate with having more kids,
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because having kids is so expensive. They're, they're, they're trying to say we need to give people more money for kids.
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Like, that, that is literally their takeaway in this whole thing.
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Which is insane. But here's just, like, the key question they wanted to ask is,
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has the role of income in enabling parenthood strengthened in Western Europe from 2006 to 2020,
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and are increasing fertility inequalities present between higher and lower income groups for both men and women?
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And their main findings were that higher individual income strongly increases the likelihood of having a first child,
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both for men and women across 16 Western European countries that they studied.
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The effect is stronger and more widespread in women, especially in countries with robust welfare systems.
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The role of income as a prerequisite for parenthood has increased over time.
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Income-based fertility gaps have widened, primarily due to declining birth rates among low-income men and women,
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not just rising births among higher-income groups.
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The way to sterilize poor people is to give them resources.
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UBI would do so much harm to fertility rates from what we've seen in the data.
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Well, but especially among poor people, and that's the really crazy thing.
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Because you'd think, like, oh, well, this is all, and that, that is what is constantly being argued, right?
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It's like, well, we're, we're not the rich people in this country.
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We can't afford to have kids, but what's clearly shown in this data is, that's totally the opposite.
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Like, that is not at all how this is going to work, which is, it just so surprises me.
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And, but what, what also really surprises me is that the researchers are trying to argue
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that this is just because it's so expensive to have kids.
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So if you're thinking about the amount of aid in the United States that poor people get around kids,
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it's just comical compared to middle-class people.
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And middle-class people can actually be priced out of having kids,
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whereas it's very hard to price a poor person out of having kids in the United States.
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That's true. And for context, in the United States,
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because we did really extensive research on this to try to create, like,
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because we thought there would be more for just, like, your average normal parent.
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But basically, if you're at or below the poverty line,
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health care is taken care of for, for kids and typically their parents too,
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or at least their mothers, food assistance, child care assistance,
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often housing assistance, often heat and electricity assistance.
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So you really get levels of subsidies that you,
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you would otherwise just expect in, like, the wealthy Gulf states for all citizens,
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And there are many families in the United States who actively game the system to create the appearance of poverty,
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just to get access to these resources, because they're so compelling,
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I was also telling you about this earlier today, which I didn't know about.
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But, like, true poverty doesn't really exist in the United States.
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And I know that this is an offensive thing to say.
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I was pointing out to you that, for example, starvation in the United States,
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It happens to, like, 150 people a year or something.
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And almost all of them are elderly people or people who can't move in some way.
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Like, if it wasn't the starvation, it would be bed sores or, like,
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literally their dogs eating them alive or something because they can't move.
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Because they're stuck at home and nobody's bringing them food.
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Like, if you can go out and get food, you're going to be okay in the United States.
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So the research study that did these graphs and correlations between, like,
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being more wealthy and having more kids, I was like,
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just how generous are all these countries that we're looking at?
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And then I sorted the European countries that they looked at in this research
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by just how generous they were in terms of their social services.
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And orange is slightly middle, like, mid-tier generous.
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Like, they don't support as much of health care and education and child care.
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And pretty much the vast majority of the countries that they looked at here
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Even in the ones that are yellow-circled, like the UK,
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I circled in yellow because it is generally considered to be a little bit weaker.
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And the caveat with the UK, too, is that the social services in the UK
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So the emphasis is more on, like, giving people, citizens, a really strong start.
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The vast majority of the countries that this study looked at are extremely generous
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in their services, meaning that this really does, this is about countries providing
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very, very, very generous social services, basically just like free child care,
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free good health care, and free education, among other things.
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So that's, that's, that's, it just, it needs to be emphasized that the countries investigated
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in this academic paper already do a lot to support parents.
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And I can go into it, like some, some examples, Luxembourg has the highest per capita spending
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It has extensive free education and health care, substantial child care support.
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The Nordic countries like Norway and Denmark and Iceland and Switzerland and Finland, they have
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a really, really high expenditure per person, universal health care, free or highly subsidized
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Denmark, for example, is noted for the most generous overall welfare package.
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Nearly a third of their GDP is devoted to social services, including free health care, subsidized
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child care and free, free higher education in Germany and Austria and Switzerland and Ireland
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all spend above 1,000 euros per person yearly on family benefits, maintain
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generous health care and education systems and support families and have very substantial
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So again, like this is, we're talking very generous.
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This is, this is an American's dream in terms of what we keep asking for.
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I just want to emphasize again, that this is just, it's just ridiculous.
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And speaking of socialists, did someone say socialists?
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So Lyman Stone actually, so one thing that we've, we've talked about in the past and
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that anyone who discusses fertility talks about is this U-shaped curve in fertility.
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And it's this, the famous U-shaped graph that, that shows fertility levels being really
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And then for the middle class, it just plummets.
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And then when you see incomes above $500,000 per household or whatever, then it goes up
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And so like, oh, well, having a big family is just a super rich person thing and a super
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And Lyman Stone in an article that he published in April 24 called fertility income, some notes.
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He argues that income reporting in surveys is unreliable for very small subgroups, but that
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And so he wants to say that, that the findings about ultra high earners can be artifacts and
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Oh, so he doesn't think that high earners actually have a very good fertility.
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He thinks that like, because so few people are in that income bracket and also responding
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to surveys that like, probably what we're seeing is like someone accidentally filling
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in the wrong, like thing on a survey, like just the error.
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And that's, it's, it's, it is a legitimate concern, but he nevertheless does make some
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He, he says there's some evidence on, on causal ties between income and fertility.
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At least one study shows exogenous positive shocks to, to male income boost fertility.
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And there are many others using quasi experimental variation from sectoral or occupational exposures,
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but he also argues male income is an income, the, the figure, the U-shape advocates, essentially
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he says, rely on for, is for family household income.
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It includes male income and female income so that he thinks that's not the thing.
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Like really the thing he would encourage people to look at, and I don't think he's wrong is
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relative, relative male income that meant men doing disproportionately better seems to correlate
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And that even shows up in a lot of this more recent research that I can't remember who it
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was when I was going into some more of the, the ephemera of this discourse, people were
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pointing out that when you look at, when you break out female fertility in these countries,
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women with higher wealth had higher fertility, but if they had just higher income, they didn't,
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So essentially like if you're working, your, your, your fertility is not going to be higher
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And that makes sense because if you're working and you're a woman, it's, it's kind of harder
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to have a ton of kids and, and we're going to get to that.
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So, so the, what the public is arguing in terms of what's going on here, because that's what
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They, the public argues that poorer families are less healthy, poorer families are too busy
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to trying to make ends meet to start new families and the poorer families have less flexible
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schedules and they have less work-life balance.
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And so it's harder to have kids or more kids, poorer families have less stable marriages
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So they're, they're maybe less likely to even have a partner with them.
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They can have kids consistently and that wealthier families have stronger social networks.
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So they have, you know, maybe, you know, grandparents that are wealthy and available.
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And they also frame children as luxury goods and society has largely framed children as luxury
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There's been a cultural shift among some wealthy groups, like, especially when you're talking
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about ultra wealthy groups, which we hang out with having a lot of the kids has become
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No, but even, I would say among all levels of society, except for like some religious
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communities, kids are kind of seen as this thing that you do if you can afford them and
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they're a luxury product, but they're not something there's something you don't have them
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You don't have them unless you have your stable career.
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Yeah, I think, you know, walking through a grocery store with five kids, I feel like
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Prince Ali, like, like, and they're all dressed the same as me and they're marching in line
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No, there's, you know, everybody tries to look at us and you're like, yeah, I got, I got
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No, it really, it really does feel that way, but, but I mean, so I think those are legitimate
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things, but what I think is much more interesting here is that poor people are becoming like
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wealthy people in, in these countries used to live.
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They're being cared for by, by, by these childcare facilities.
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They're being cared for by paid people and, and, and, and there, there's more work outside
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People are leaving the home to go do things just like Lords used to go to parliament or
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like go out on their trading ships or something.
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And there's more, there's more focus on material wealth on conspicuous consumption on, on, on,
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Whereas the wealthy people we know are really starting to behave a lot more like serfs did
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We're like, there's less focus on work and there's more focus on really like focusing
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There's more work from home and within the home.
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And there's less focus on material wealth and conspicuous material consumption and more
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Like, look at, look at the rise of stealth wealth, look at the rise of, of, of influencers
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like ballerina farms where like, they're very, very wealthy, but they, they're living on
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their like homesteading farm and they're living like a corporate family and the kids are shoveling
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manure and you know, they're, they're, they're harvesting their own food and pumpkins and making
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They're living life like serfs and then like the whole Maha movement is like that too.
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You know, it's, it's very much like back to the land, back to the homestead, you know,
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very, very crunchy, very like no brand names on anything.
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And there's a lot more focus on autonomy and separation from society.
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There's no like, you know, going out and fronting to people.
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It's like when we go to Austin, we often go to like a, a gala or something.
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But it's, I would say it's, it's pretty unusual.
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It's mostly people retreating to their, if they're really wealthy, I mean, sure.
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Like Peter Thiel may show up at Hereticon, but then he goes off to his like New Zealand
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compound or, you know, like these other people and then they disappear to some, you know,
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to Prospera, to their charter city or to their like homesteading permaculture farm thing.
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You know, like in short, I, I think in the end that so much of fertility, again, as you've
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always said, it's about how your household is composed and where you get your services.
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You keep saying fertility started to drop with the industrial revolution first when men left
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And then when women left the home and children left the home and every, all the services
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And because now what being wealthy is, is it's more about everything is coming back
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You are able to see this rise of fertility again within the home because there's, there's
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value in it and there's the time for it and the resources for it.
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Whereas for the, for those who are poor now, who are now living more like wealthy people
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And they, you basically have your servants and your livery and, and your conspicuous consumption
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and, and, you know, the, all this staff that serves you much of it, government subsidized.
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It doesn't matter if it's your own wealth or the government's wealth.
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When you have the staff, when things are provided from without the home, when, when there isn't
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this beating heart of your hearth and your family, your fertility drops.
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And because we're seeing this inversion, I think that's what I know.
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The best way to stabilize the core is to give them money.
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I mean, this, I think this, this does have interesting implications when it comes to fertility
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ratio cascades, because as we point out, this is not a warm bodies problem.
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And, and so what you really want, if you're a country that's really concerned about not
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being able to pay for really essential social services for all these life-saving food programs
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and, and even the childcare and the healthcare and all this, you need people who are going to
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And the fact that the people who generate a lot of tax revenue are now the ones having
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more kids power to the people, literally power to like money to the people.
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Like, are we already seeing like, because I don't think we expected this, right?
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We didn't expect that like paying for people's lives would, would actually solve fertility
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Is this kind of like, I mean, on one hand, it doesn't solve the problem because poor people
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aren't having more kids, but does it solve the problem because rich people are having
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I mean, it kind of, you're doing two things, right?
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Like you're, you're, you're, you're reducing the population that is most dependent on these
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services, thereby maybe reducing the financial load while increasing the population that subsidizes
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Like, is this actually a subversion of trends that means the problem is going to be potentially
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So my question for you is, does this make you more socialist in your politics?
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You know, my views are evolving on this actually, because I, what we found, and this, this has
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been confirmed also, like Scott Alexander, I think mentioned this recently too.
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Basically, while cash transfers seem to do a lot of good and really impoverished countries,
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it's pretty clear that things like universal basic income and cash transfers cause harm in
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However, it does appear to be that providing in-kind services like free childcare, education,
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sometimes housing can actually cause pretty beneficial effects or at least neutral effects
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We looked at this in the Gulf States, like, well, it didn't seem to necessarily, it didn't,
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Like the Gulf States aren't exactly known for their innovation and their, you know, thriving
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Like there's some base school people, their fertility rates are decent in some cases, not, not at all,
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So I'm kind of warming up to the idea of providing in-kind services, not money.
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Like, you don't just get your cash transfer, but in-kind services.
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And this is also saying, I was just talking with you about this today because right now
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It's, it's a form of food assistance in the United States where you get basically a debit
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card, like money is loaded to your card and you get to use that on a bunch.
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And a lot of people are just spending it on junk food.
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There's this other program in at least a lot of States called WIC women, infant and infants
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It's for pregnant women, infants, and children under five years old that meet certain requirements.
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And instead of providing money, it will cover very specific, healthy foods.
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It's like, it will buy you a gallon of milk and a dozen eggs and a whole grain and $26 worth
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of vegetables per child and like some cheese, like, like the whole foods.
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This has also made me realize there's another solution to fertility collapse that I had never
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Which is, you can fix the problem of a dependency ratio cascade, uh, within a country.
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So obviously you can do it by keeping the population stable as it exists right now.
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But you could also do it just by stopping poor people from having kids.
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Well, and, but these do that, but in like a very kind way.
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No, no, no, no, this is getting way too close to eugenics.
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And I don't like, I didn't say this is a good, I'm not saying it's a good idea.
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I'm just saying it would solve the problem because what you're dealing with in a society
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is, you know, the, the, the elderly are almost always on the government dole, right?
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You know, so that's why you get the fertility ratio cascade because too big a portion of society
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is elderly, but you have poor people who are also on the government dole.
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And if you could remove them as a segment of the population, then pretty much no matter
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how many elderly people you got, it would be a lot more to tip the scales of the system.
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I mean, anyway, this has just been very thought provoking for me and text now needs to eat.
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I'm very excited for my God prowl or whatever it's called.
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I might use a little bit more oil and then scoop some chili flakes in when you cook it
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And then no other note, the egg was really good.
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I'd be more greedy with the eggs if I had two of them.
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I'm so glad you're like actually enjoying some of our coop eggs.
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You're just going to set up your Korean romance manga right to the side of the screen.
00:32:38.580
I actually don't even have my, I need to get my phone.
00:32:53.620
We really need to cover this on like, for framing them Patreon and Substack, but your
00:33:04.740
And I think that when people first came to our podcast, they were like, wait, you guys
00:33:12.340
Cause they're like, you look too nerdy to be Republican.
00:33:15.580
Like, and, and then it was like, you got to fashion yourself as like a non-nerd, like
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And it's like, this is, this is, I am nerd from front to back.
00:33:35.200
Like, is everyone too young to understand what camp is?
00:33:38.540
No, but imagine I come on and I'm like really trying to look like, like, like cool and stuff.
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I don't know if you saw for showing that he eats just junk food all day and like, so
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he's always shown that he eats just junk food all day.
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I think the secret is that he walks to the 7-Eleven to buy the junk food.
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And as long as he eats it in moderation and, and that's the thing you can eat whatever
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Well, the professor who showed that like on like pure junk food, you could lose a ton
00:34:17.900
Cause after also super size me came out, I think a high school teacher demonstrated that
00:34:22.960
you can lose a lot of weight eating while they McDonald's, something like that.
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If you are struggling with weight loss, my suggestion would be, as is my suggestion for
00:34:30.940
everything is get naltrexone, look up the Sinclair method.
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So yeah, it's less expensive than the other things.
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And it's way healthier for you than like, Oh yeah, that's true.
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I mean, like as, as much as it can be naltrexone and we're not giving medical advice, by the
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way, as much as naltrexone can be hard on the kidneys, GLP-1 inhibitors are, which is
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Is that they are very hard on your digestive system.
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The side effects are really intense for people.
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Yeah, naltrexone is a little bad on the liver, but every, all the other things that
00:35:07.980
Yeah, dude, even gambling, gambling's hard on everything, man.
00:35:13.400
Well, and, and if you, if you have a problem with, with being too sexual, like you're-
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Yeah, sex addiction, food addiction, gambling, porn addiction, like all these things.
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Incredibly effective, and I just hate that it's not more known about.
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I can't remember what it is, but check out Katie Herzog's book.
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And she's really unhappy with the amount of book sales.
00:35:42.820
Yeah, like just, yeah, abysmal, and she put a lot of work into the launch, and interviewed
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Yeah, I mean, but on, on background, and she didn't want to name you because you're too
00:36:00.600
I bet Katie Herzog, and well, I think, I think Justy Single just really doesn't like us
00:36:05.660
He used to come to our parties, and now he's like-
00:36:07.540
I know, but also I think he's, he's a little, a little Trump derangement.
00:36:11.700
And yeah, I mean, Katie Herzog is too, but she responded to us at least.
00:36:21.440
Wait, did you think this was the best Christmas ever?
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I want to go in my bed and put this in my bedroom.
00:36:36.960
Well, we'll go up and put them in your bed for future day decorations.
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Let's open up your presents so you can play with those, and then tonight we'll put them
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You have it to me, and I'll make sure it goes to your bed.