Groypers & Nick Fuentes： An Anthropology Of A Paradoxical Ideology
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1 hour and 29 minutes
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172.66211
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141
Summary
Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson's guest on his show on Fox News, has been accused of being anti-Semitic. In this episode, Simone and Malcolm take a deep dive into the controversy surrounding Nick's views and attempt to understand how he came to be an anti-Semite.
Transcript
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We both watched the Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson interview.
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And my first thoughts upon watching that interview
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was to pick up my phone, to call Mossad and say,
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by extreme and incredibly immoral acts by Ben Shapiro.
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it appears that she also had a similar journey.
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Yeah, he just keeps radicalizing people with platforms
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When we first started rising as right-wing stars,
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Yeah, I think he referred to us as something along the lines
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So this means I'm at the top of the nerd hierarchy here.
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But in this video, what we're going to be doing is we are going
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to be taking a deeper analysis into Nick Fuentes' views.
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And through that, elucidate something, parts of American history
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and American identity that I think a lot of people aren't very aware of
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because it's been largely covered up in the school system.
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And it makes Nick Fuentes' entire worldview, when you are aware of this,
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come off as a little confused, if I'm going to be honest.
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And we're also going to think through how you can have people
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with different long-term goals sort of working together in the same group.
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Because I think when you think through what Nick Fuentes' long-term goals are,
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they're very antagonistic to our long-term goals.
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And he also seems like a decent guy from what I've seen.
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Yeah, for the record, we actually reached out to him hoping that he would just come on
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Like, we'd rather just ask him directly about these things.
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So we're going to have to just go on, well, Malcolm did extensive research on things
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he has said online publicly that are documented.
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But Nick, if you ever see this, we'd love to have you on.
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And I will also say that upon hearing through this interview what Ben Shapiro did to him,
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Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire, this giant, like, multi-million dollar company,
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actively trying to destroy a kid's life for years just for asking questions.
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I was like, okay, I can see how Nick Fuentes ended up where he is.
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But what's so funny is us and Nick Fuentes, and you're going to see this throughout the interview,
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is it's sort of like somebody comes up to us and they're like, you need to denounce Nick Fuentes.
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And I'd be like, why do I need to denounce Nick Fuentes?
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Like, at one point, Ben Shapiro got him, while he was in college, put on a no-fly list,
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Yeah, so the Daily Wire reached out to the Media Matters organization,
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and then Media Matters got him banned and put on a no-fly list.
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It's pretty much all orchestrated by the Daily Wire.
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Not like Ben Shapiro directly, but it seems pretty clear that he directed somebody else to do this.
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I mean, tell people to fly for a year, especially as a media figure, that's crazy.
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And I'm like, why should I denounce Nick Fuentes?
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And I'd be like, well, you know, no group should really be above question.
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I think it's healthy in a society like, okay, okay, that didn't work.
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And I'm like, well, I mean, democracies do seem to be fraying at the edges right now.
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And I can see that it might be worth exploring new forms of government.
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And I'm like, well, I mean, I think it was sort of founded that way.
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And they're just like, so you're just going to let him turn America into this Catholic?
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Because the problems we have with the wider Nick Fuentes ideology are quite different than
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I'll note here, because I have in the past been very confused by Nick Fuentes ideology,
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not understanding how he could be a Catholic integralist.
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These are people who want to put the entire world under a Catholic one-world government.
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And actually, he's never claimed that he is a Catholic integralist.
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I couldn't find a single AI will tell you he is till you're blue in the face.
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But when you ask for a specific quote or citation, I can find nothing.
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Well, so do you think maybe Nick Fuentes is a Catholic integralist the same way that we
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Because he'll talk about stuff like integralist ingentia, like the intelligentsia of the integralist
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movement, where he seems to include himself among this.
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So like, well, I don't know, like we mix with people who call themselves eugenicists.
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Yes, but he has never denied the term either, nor has he ever really skewered it in the way that
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I'm, well, but what, what, what, what are the benefits to him for doing so?
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I mean, people actively accuse us of eugenics, therefore we publicly deny because we're like,
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And they accuse him of it on both the right and the left.
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Like there are mainstream right-wing sources that are sympathetic to him that call his position
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The, the real answer is, is while it's not his actual intellectual position, he identifies
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with it enough that he doesn't mind being called it.
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His actual position could be better defined as Catholic-
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Okay, let's see, white Catholic nationalism would be the, the actual position.
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And this is, and, and, and the Catholic is the largest and loudest word within this, this-
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Like I said, the tone in America, but Vatican City doesn't run everything.
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Now, and he sees these two identities as completely obvious, right?
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That if you're a good Christian American, you're going to be a Catholic American nationalist.
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The problem is, is that this perspective appears incredibly stupid.
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If you have any knowledge of American history, America was essentially founded to be an anti-Catholic
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If you don't believe me, and I'm going to quote here from an article, how anti-Catholicism helped
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fuel the American revolution, we're going to go into the words of a Catholic cardinal.
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So this is not an anti-Catholic person saying that this was the reason America was founded.
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In 1912, the English Cardinal Gareska flatly declared that quote, the American revolution
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was not a movement for civil or religious liberty.
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Its principal cause was the bigoted rage of the American Puritan and Presbyterian ministers
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at the concessions of full religious liberty and equality to Catholics of French Canada.
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I am shocked the number of people who don't know this.
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You were not taught that the American revolution was in large part an anti-Catholic revolution.
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I mean, you know, we hear more about like taxation without representation and the Stamp Act
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and, you know, people not liking the British government.
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And I think that the school system has done a very good job of scrubbing this from history.
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Sorry, the American school system isn't exactly like...
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I could get like maybe a Catholic school on it to kind of like...
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I think the reason is, if you're wondering why this has largely been covered up,
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is American schools see the oppressed class or the class that was being rebelled against
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And so it wants to uplift the oppressed class or the classes being rebelled against.
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Now, in this case, the Catholics weren't really an oppressed class, but we'll get to that in a second.
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They kind of were because they were regularly arrested in the 13 colonies for being Catholic,
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But it was only legal in two of the 13 colonies, by the way...
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To vote as a Catholic or run for office of the Catholic.
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I thought it was more like you have to have these basic requirements set,
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but not that things precluded you from being able to vote.
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Like, you could vote as long as you had property and were a man.
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Simone, again, the American school system has betrayed you.
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To put that number in context for you, free Blacks could vote in 10 of the 13 colonies,
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and Jews could vote in four of the 13 colonies.
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So in terms of the groups that our founding fathers were afraid of having influence in America,
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The American school system did this because it didn't want to have people remember
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that Catholics could be considered a discriminated group.
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Because then they might be able to demand concessions.
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Because they were taught about how Catholics were discriminated against,
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especially with the big wave of Irish immigration that happened much later.
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But the reason why we talk about the discrimination of the Irish wave is because it was significantly
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less reactionary than it being the motive for America to become an independent nation.
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And if you want to go into our founding fathers, what did they think, right, of Catholics?
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Because you, oh, you can't, they couldn't have really been that anti-Catholic.
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Like John Adams, this is a quote from him in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
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Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?
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Another quote from John Adams, second president.
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I do not like the late resurrection of the Jesuits.
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If ever any congregation of men could merit eternal perdition on earth in hell,
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Wow, what did he, what did they ever do to John Adams?
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They, we'll get to why the American founders were so scared of Catholics
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You know, I've heard of Samuel Adams, signer of the Declaration, revolutionary leader.
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I did verily believe that potpourri was a religion destructive to all others, end quote.
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Letter to John Scully, quote, much more is to be dreaded from the gross of potpourri in America
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than from the Stamp Act or any other act destructive of civil rights, end quote.
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Okay, so they also cared about the Stamp Act, okay?
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Also, but like, come on, the England was a government of the Catholic Church.
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He cared about the Stamp Act, but what he said here was,
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much more is to be dreaded from the gross of potpourri in America
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than from any of these other acts that you were taught about.
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They were uncomfortable with the fact that the British government, which itself is independent
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from the Catholic Church, simply allowed for religious freedom, including that of Catholics.
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One of the things that led to this, and we'll get to it in a bit, was the legalization of Catholicism
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as a religion and giving them equal rights to other people.
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The, the, the, the, the, the, literally, I kid you not, the founding fathers would be more terrified
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that there have been a Catholic president than a black president.
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No, because they saw black people and slavery as like often this like more complicated institution
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They saw Catholicism as antithetical to everything that they viewed.
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They probably would have seen like a black presidency as being inevitable, given the number
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of men who have kids with black women in even the early American days.
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So yeah, they'd be like, well, of course, I mean, we're producing a lot of Americans.
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And for another one here, Samuel Adams told a group of Mohawk Indians that the law, referring
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to the Quebec law, to establish the religion of the Pope in Canada would mean that, quote,
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some of your children may be induced instead of worshiping the, the only true God to pay
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his dues to images made with their own hands, end quote.
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Now people are like, well, you know, I, I'm, I'm a Thomas Jefferson guy myself.
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History, I believe furnishes no example of a priest ridden people maintaining a free civil
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And then in another quote from him in every country and every age, the priest has been
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They have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon.
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And now note here, a lot of like atheists have taken these to try to mean like he was talking
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But if you look at the second quote here, it's very clear that he's using priest as euphemous
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for the Catholic priesthood, because he's talking about it being perverted into mystery
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And then he said the purest religion ever inciting that the religion is accurate.
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What I find really interesting about Nick Fuentes's positions is that they were so accurately
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The founding father said, this is why Catholicism is going to have some trouble integrating with
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an American identity, because it will lead people to want a more autocratic state, to
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want to restrict the freedoms of the citizens, which are both things Nick Fuentes desires.
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But through desiring them, what he shows is there is nothing American nationalist about
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It is a position that is in many ways antithetical to any form of American identity that we had
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And this is why it's so important to bring this up.
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He's trying to reflect, like, let's go back to a better, purer America, when the America of
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history would have seen itself as being able to purify and being able to have freedom and
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liberty, specifically because of the absence of people with Nick Fuentes's cultural background.
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And they would say to him, why don't you go move to a country, because there are many Catholic
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majority countries, that align with your values.
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And I'm noting here, not all Catholics have these values.
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But there is a reason why these values in the eyes of the American founding fathers and in the eyes
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of Catholics like Nick Fuentes are correlated, specifically Catholicism and autocracy and a
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And where I might even agree with Nick Fuentes is that if America was a Catholic state, because
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when I look at Catholic democracies, they don't seem to work very well.
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They have really high amounts of poverty compared to Protestant democracies.
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I have to say, maybe Catholicism actually isn't compatible with democracy in the way that many
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And maybe other forms of government should be experimented with within Catholic majority populations.
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The problem is that is both not America and antithetical to America's founding principles
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and the principles America has had since its foundation.
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And note here, I don't mean that the way a progressive means it when they say it.
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When a progressive means, well, it's against America was founded to be a country of diverse
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individuals and a country where anyone could come.
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America was founded with the understanding that if you got too diverse of a cultural perspective
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within the country, people from cultural backgrounds and from environmental backgrounds that are more
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prone to autocratic structures are more prone to wanting to restrict individual freedoms would
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begin to implement those policies within this country.
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I'm coming at it from literally the antithetical perspective saying America was founded to be
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And the type of person it was founded to exclude most is individuals like Nick Fuentes.
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But what's cool about this is as we go through what our founding fathers thought of Catholics and
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Catholics who might believe they have a mandate to impose their religious rules and structure
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on other people through the legal system of the state.
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We can see what they would have thought of Muslims, for example, in immigrating into the country who
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believed they had a theological motivation to implement Sharia law within any location or really any non-Protestant
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religious group, which is, of course, offensive.
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And in a weird way, an alignment with Nick Fuentes' ideology.
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It's just that he tries to rewrite it as a Christian country founded to keep out non-Christian values
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when it was really more of an anti-Catholic country founded to keep out high church values.
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And note here, this is not me like being an anti-Catholic or something like that.
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This is me stating historical facts, i.e. the motivation of various founding fathers,
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combined with a literal cardinal saying, yes, these are accurate historical facts.
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And I would note here if you want to be like, well, this was only way back when America was founded.
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That certainly wasn't a property or a belief that carried through American history.
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I'd point out to you that if you go to just like the 1940s and you're looking at what the KKK was up
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to, or I think they also had a flare up in the 1960s, their core enemies were Catholics, Blacks,
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and Jews, often in that order. If Nick Fuentes wants to bring back it being okay to be racist and
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anti-Semitic, then the third and integral part of that sort of roundup of okayness is having an
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anti-Catholic sentiment. Being racist and anti-Semitic in the US always went hand in hand with being
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anti-Catholic. He's rovespeering it here, basically saying we need to normalize kicking out
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all the un-American minorities, not realizing he is one of the un-American minorities.
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Nick Fuentes might not have realized the can that he just popped open.
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People don't know that this is the other stuff he's saying on his own platform.
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Rotoclip. Hey, I'm a stone-cold white nationalist, and I love Hitler, and I don't want Indians here,
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and I'm not a Democrat, okay? And I'm not woke, and I'm not liberal.
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All right. And let me preface it, too, because I don't want nobody saying,
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Brennan, you took that context. I watched the entire video. He goes on the-
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It's like nobody warned him that if you normalize the dishes, Jews, and blacks,
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the next dish on the menu is Catholics. He's up next.
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And then you might be like, okay, okay, okay. Alexander Hamilton. And so here I'm reading
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again from a piece on this. Alexander Hamilton decried the Quebec Act as a diabolical threat.
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Quote, does not your blood run cold to think of the English Parliament should pass an act
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for the establishment of arbitrary power and potpourri in such an extensive country?
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Your loves, your property, your religion are all at stake. And this gets me because you will often
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see Nick Fuentes within the interview that he did and within stuff as he will say,
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America was founded as a Christian country. And there was a little slight of hand and be like,
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and Catholicism is the only real form of Christianity. Therefore, America was founded as a Catholic
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country. And this, I think, is something he's doing because he expects his audience to not have
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education on the actual motivations behind the founding of America. And I will note-
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he may be ignorant of it himself. Yeah, he may be ignorant of it himself. And note here,
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I'm not saying that Catholicism was the only reason. I'm just saying that there is a cardinal
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who says it was a bigger reason than taxation without representation. And I think most people
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who take an honest look at history would be like, it was probably at least equal into some of the
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founding fathers a bigger issue. And we need to get to why it was a bigger issue. But here,
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now you might be saying like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Surely there were Catholics living in America
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at the time of the revolution. The answer is not really. There was 1.6% of the population might
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have been Catholic. And you're like, what about Maryland, the Catholic colony? And it's like,
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actually, Maryland had periods where it arrested people for being Catholic, which we will go over.
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And only 15% of the population of Maryland was Catholic, despite being originally founded as a
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Catholic safe haven. So to go on here, only three of the 13 colonies allowed Catholics to vote.
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All New England colonies except Rhode Island and the Carolinas prohibited Catholics from holding office.
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Virginia would have have priests arrested for entering the colony. Catholic schools were banned
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in all states except Pennsylvania. America was basically founded where people from all over the world
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came together and agreed on one thing. We really don't want to live in a country with Catholics.
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Won't it be nice to get to America where we don't have to worry about Catholic anymore?
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There are no Catholics in America, but back home in Mother Russia.
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But there are no Catholics in America, and the streets are paved with cheese.
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Oh, there are no Catholics in America, so set your mind at ease.
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You think things were bad in Russia? You should see things in my country.
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Yeah. During the lead-up to the revolution, rebels seeking to stoke hatred of Great Britain
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routinely equated the practices of the Church of England with that of the Catholic Church.
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In the late 1760s and 1770s, colonists celebrated anti-Pope days, an anti-Catholic festival derived
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from English Guy Fawkes Day, named after a Catholic who attempted to assassinate King James I.
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Quote, orations, cartoons, and public hangings of effigies depicted royal ministers,
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as in league alternately with the Pope and the devil, writes historian Ruth Bloch.
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So again, the point I'm making here is that if anyone tells you America was founded as a
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Christian country, and they're including Catholics in that mix, they are lying to you,
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or do not understand American history, or the seed of American identity. Now, this is not to say that
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you cannot be a full American and a Catholic today. America has changed what it means to be
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American. You know, we used to have slavery back then and everything. But I also feel like Catholicism
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is quite different today. And we've talked about this in other episodes where some of the leading
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Catholic figures are not like Nick Fuentes, because he was raised Catholic, but instead are converts
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into the religion. And also, they're just, I don't know, they're much more pluralistic. And I don't
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think they are practicing a domineering version of Catholicism where everyone needs to be.
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We will get your thoughts on this in a second. I agree with some of what you say. I don't agree
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with some of what you say. But let's continue as the history lesson. Okay? Okay. Yeah.
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Because it's clear that you were never taught this stuff. No, I really wasn't.
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And for me, I always just like, when I heard this stuff in the past, it really confused me.
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It's sort of Catholic American nationalism. Like when I heard this, I was like, surely there must
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be caveats to this. They don't actually think America was founded as a Catholic country, do they?
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And I think going into this can help be like, this is an identity you can have. You can be a Catholic
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American nationalist, but there are things that you have to grapple with to adopt this identity.
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And, you know, if you really want to be a Catholic nationalist, you might be better off
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immigrating to a Catholic majority country, which there are lots of. And we'll talk about
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why the founding fathers. The founding fathers were not afraid of Catholicism for no reason. There
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actually are some theological reasons for this. Really? Okay.
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That make even in moderate Catholics, it can cause some conflict with American core values. And I think
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even today, everyone would argue our American core values. Even, even Nick Fuentes would argue our
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American core values. He just hasn't thought through where Catholic theology might have a problem with
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these values. I mean, he literally probably has. This is the thing that I don't get.
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He, throughout the entire interview, he's talking about how like Jews are loyal to like a separate
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state that is like antagonistic to us. And I'm like, Nick, like on every issue that you say is
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important to like America, like the immigration campaign that we're doing and stuff like that,
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the, the, the Vatican has spoken against it, right? Like, this is an organization that is actively
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opposed to most, they even did a whole most interesting points. Yeah.
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Yeah. Announcement that we'll get to that seemed directly targeted at Nick Fuentes,
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basically saying, stop doing this stuff. So it's, it's, it's, it's, I think his form of
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Catholicism works because he's not, he doesn't actually care. And this is true of a lot of our
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fans. And I think a lot of the, the American Catholic nationalists, they don't actually care
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about the Pope. They don't actually care about service to the central Vatican bureaucracy. But
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unfortunately that kind of makes them Protestants who are calling themselves Catholics,
00:26:50.200
which they're like, we'll call ourselves Catholics until the church works itself out again. But we'll
00:26:54.840
talk about this in a second. Okay. Okay. I'm going back to reading from an article here. It was one
00:26:59.080
I mentioned earlier. Roger Sherman and other members of the Continental Congress wanted to
00:27:03.400
prohibit Catholics from serving in the Continental Army. In 1774, parliament passed the Quebec Act,
00:27:08.840
taking the enlightened position that the Catholic church could remain the official church of
00:27:13.560
Quebec. This appalled and terrified many colonists who assumed this to be a British attempt to
00:27:18.840
subjugate them religiously. And by allowing the loathsome Catholics to expand into the colonies,
00:27:23.480
colonial newspapers railed against the Popish threat. The Pennsylvania Gazette said the legislation
00:27:29.480
would now allow, quote, these dogs of hell, in quote, to quote, erect their heads and triumph
00:27:36.600
within our borders, in quote. Goodness gracious.
00:27:40.120
Quite a bit stronger than Nick Fuentes' words on immigration today.
00:27:46.360
The Boston Evening Post reported that the step was, quote, for the execution of this hellish plan,
00:27:52.520
in quote, to organize 4,000 Canadian Catholics for an attack on America. In Rhode Island,
00:27:59.320
every single issue of the Newport Mercury from October 2nd, 1774 to March 20th, 1775 contained,
00:28:08.200
quote, at least one insidious reference to the Catholic religion of the Canadians,
00:28:14.040
in quote, according to the historian Charles Metzger. They couldn't write a single paper.
00:28:20.600
This is like mainstream. You're getting Fox News of this era. Literally, every newscast is starting with
00:28:27.960
a, those king Catholics. But what I mean is if you weren't taught this, right, you are unaware
00:28:36.600
of how important this was to the mindset of the American revolutionary and of the founding fathers
00:28:43.880
of this country. And this, this becomes important. We haven't gotten to like where this matter is
00:28:48.120
with all of his Jew stuff, but it will actually be very germane in just a second. Okay. Okay.
00:28:52.520
In New York, a group marched to the financial exchange, carrying a huge flag inscribed,
00:28:57.640
George III Rex, and the liberties of America, no potpourri. Later that day, a pamphlet that had
00:29:04.520
been distributed urging tolerance towards the Catholics of Canada was smeared with tar and
00:29:09.160
feathers and nailed to the pillory. So let's go into a bit of the history of what it was like to be a
00:29:14.360
Catholic in the American colonies, right? Like, surely these were places of religious freedom.
00:29:20.520
Maryland, founded as a Catholic refugee camp, right? You know, what, what, what is this, this,
00:29:26.840
the Catholic colony? They always say that to make you think that it was like, well, you know,
00:29:31.880
in Massachusetts, they might have been anti-Catholic, but in Maryland is where the Catholics were. And,
00:29:36.760
you know, there was like a place for everyone in the United States. There was a place for Quakers,
00:29:40.680
there was a place for Catholics, there was a place for Protestants, there was a place where Protestants got
00:29:44.840
kicked out by other Protestants, etc. Actually, what happened was there was a Puritan
00:29:49.560
revolt between 1644 and 1646, after which Catholics were stripped of all rights, or sorry, of a number
00:29:56.920
of rights. In 1689, Protestant associations revolution, Catholic governor and officials were arrested,
00:30:03.320
public Catholic worship was banned until 1776. So in the Catholic state, public Catholic worship
00:30:11.720
would get you arrested. Gosh, okay. Just making, like, I want to be clear about that
00:30:20.120
scale here, people. Massachusetts Bay and New England, 1647. Massachusetts banned Jesuit priests,
00:30:27.480
violators, faced imprisonment, whipping, or banishment. 1650s. Two Catholic traders in Boston were briefly
00:30:33.800
jailed and expelled for possessing rosaries and statues. They were jailed not for praying, not for anything
00:30:41.000
else, for possessing rosaries and statues of Christ. Oh, the nerve. Or it might have been Mary.
00:30:47.000
Well, that's idolatry. It is about, yeah. Root it out. I think we, we need to go back to these laws.
00:30:53.320
We have been too soft on idolatry. I'm joking, of course. I don't think that we should arrest
00:30:57.880
everyone who practices idolatry. I'm joking again. Of course, they don't see it as idolatry.
00:31:05.000
So when Proto-America did have laws on the book about restricting religious freedoms and stuff like
00:31:11.320
that, based on their interpretation of the Bible, and Nick is like, well, we need to go back to that.
00:31:17.240
These were laws that would get you arrested for having a rosary or having iconography of Christ,
00:31:24.360
right? These were laws that were specifically meant to target individuals like Nick. He is actually
00:31:32.200
protected. And Catholics are actually protected by the direction America has gone to not have these
00:31:39.880
type of laws on the book anymore, to not have laws enforcing religious or ideological doctrine.
00:31:47.240
So if we actually ask the questions that Nick claims to ask, but ask them with this historical
00:31:52.920
context in mind, the question we're really asking is, should we go back to a country that arrests people
00:31:59.800
for having any sort of statuette of a god, any sort of picture of a god in in their car or in their
00:32:07.800
house? And when I ask this question, I have to say, I mean, maybe crime rates would go down.
00:32:15.560
Maybe we would have a more stable democracy. But those are the types of questions that Nick
00:32:20.200
Fuentes at least wants being aired. I mean, you know us, we've gone back to saying I think that the
00:32:24.920
Cronwell laws have merit to them, outlawing music and dancing and theater and certainly
00:32:33.240
any iconography that would be religious in nature. But I just don't think that those work in a modern
00:32:38.920
context for many side reasons. However, I think the spirit of these sorts of laws is something I can
00:32:46.520
get behind. It's just not what Nick would want. And I can only imagine some of our followers here,
00:32:52.920
again, who may not have a good historical knowledge might be like, Malcolm, Malcolm,
00:32:56.520
Malcolm, come on, you and Simone aren't even real Christians. You follow some weird version
00:33:01.480
of Christianity that tries to harmonize Calvinist Protestantism with the latest scientific developments
00:33:08.200
and understanding. The founding fathers had no form of Christianity like that in mind.
00:33:14.120
Meanwhile, a historian who's watching them and shares their sentiment is rapidly signaling the
00:33:20.040
cut the mic, cut the mic. Because if you're aware of what the founding fathers actually believed,
00:33:24.920
you would be aware that it was exactly that. And if it had been allowed to develop, it likely would
00:33:31.400
have developed in our direction rather than having the early Puritan communities be replaced by Catholic
00:33:38.120
communities through waves of immigrants. But anyway, New York. Okay, New York, right? The city of all types.
00:33:45.080
So in 1700 anti-priest law, Catholic priests faced life imprisonment if caught. At least one,
00:33:52.200
Father John Ury was executed in 1741. Now, I denote here that the reason he was executed was because
00:33:59.400
he played part in fighting a slave revolt. Okay, I mean, yeah. But if you look at the historical
00:34:05.000
documents, most of the panic around it was the fact that he was Catholic. Okay, that's not the slaves,
00:34:11.080
since the Catholicism. Yeah, that was a bigger issue. This was also true. I will put on screen
00:34:16.200
here this image because it was a popular image of the time period. The silversmiths and engraver
00:34:20.760
Paul Revere created a cartoon for the Royal American magazine called the Mitred Minute. It depicted
00:34:27.240
four contented-looking Mitred Anglican bishops dancing in minette around a copy of the Quebec Act
00:34:33.240
to show the, quote, aberration incontinence of the Roman religion, end quote. Standing nearby are the
00:34:39.720
author of the Quebec Act, with a devil with bat ears and spiky wings hovering behind them,
00:34:44.840
whispering instructions. And you can see another thing here, which I think is kind of funny from
00:34:50.600
a modern context. Okay. The British were not even Catholic, but they were angling it, which spelled
00:34:58.280
kind of like Catholic to the colonists. Oh, it's still too Catholic-derived. Too Catholic-derived.
00:35:04.840
Too many, too high church. It wasn't just, and this is actually like a very important point.
00:35:10.120
The American colonies were not specifically anti-Catholic. They were anti-high church.
00:35:17.160
America was founded as a state, as an anti-high church state. All high church religions that now
00:35:25.960
reside within America, whether it's Anglicanism or Catholicism or anything like that, would have
00:35:31.160
mortified many of the founding fathers and do require some degree, if you come from one of these
00:35:39.240
traditions, of understanding how you reckon with the motive for the foundation of America and
00:35:47.160
America's evolution, just as, you know, I think a black person should not, you know, you need to take
00:35:54.520
it to account. Like America did have slavery. Like this was a bad thing that we did. This wasn't just like
00:35:59.880
with Catholics. It wasn't just like the Irish thing, right? It wasn't just anti-Irish. It wasn't
00:36:04.280
just anti-Italian. It goes to the very genesis of the country. And I'll put another political ad
00:36:12.040
here, which is a Romanism. And it's like all of the tendrils, corruption, ignorance, tyranny,
00:36:17.400
superstition. Wow. Romanism is a monster with arms of satanic power and strength. Romanism.
00:36:24.120
Crushing to the very ends of the earth. The arm of superstition, crushing the American child.
00:36:29.400
That of subversion, crushing the American flag. So I'm not going to go through the whole thing.
00:36:35.320
Goodness gracious. This is just, I mean, yeah, no one, no one's really sharing this,
00:36:41.720
this stuff. Yeah. And so today Catholics make up about 20.8% of the U.S. population.
00:36:46.920
That's a lot. That's a lot. You can see our episode, the great replacement already happened,
00:36:52.120
but it basically did. The Puritan faction of America was essentially replaced with the Catholic
00:36:56.520
faction, which had very different voting behavior and was much more progressive up until recently.
00:37:01.240
Recently, Catholics flipped and overall Catholics vote conservative now, but up until now,
00:37:04.840
Catholics were largely a progressive voting bloc and were sort of central to the progressive
00:37:09.400
coalition. Keep in mind because they were kind of a minority community that had a lot of
00:37:13.640
discrimination against them. And when RFK won the nomination, everyone was freaking out because they
00:37:18.760
said he'd be loyal to the church. But why the 20% is important to know is you have Nick Fuentes here,
00:37:27.400
guy who comes out and says, Jews are a secret cabal that controls, you know, the U.S. government
00:37:35.160
and industry, various aspects and branches of it. Right. And we're going to go into the receipts that he
00:37:40.920
has on this. Jews do have disproportionate positions of power across both government and industry.
00:37:47.800
And he says that they used nepotism to achieve this and secret organizations to achieve this.
00:37:54.600
Here's the problem. The United States is split into three branches of government.
00:38:03.240
Okay. If you are an outsider and you're not familiar with this, this is to prevent one branch of
00:38:10.440
government from ever gaining control. Well, what if I told you that a shadowy religion
00:38:16.040
and organization had taken control, complete control of one third of the United States government?
00:38:27.000
One of these three branches. Let's go in to the Supreme Court justices right now. Okay.
00:38:39.800
John J. Roberts Jr. Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Clarence Thomas.
00:38:47.960
Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Samuel A. Alito Jr. Was he raised a Catholic?
00:38:55.720
Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Remember that 20% there that's at the American Catholic population?
00:39:03.240
Sonia Sotomayor. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes. Is she still a Catholic? Yes.
00:39:08.760
Brett Kavanaugh. Raised a Catholic? Yes. Still a Catholic? Yes.
00:39:14.200
Amy Coney Barrett. Raised a Catholic? Yes. Still a Catholic? Yes.
00:39:18.760
Okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Now we're going to get to the...
00:39:22.760
What about the J-O-O's, Malcolm? They're there too.
00:39:30.280
Amy Coney Barrett. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes.
00:39:33.240
Is she still a Catholic? No. Oh, sorry, not Kate and Amy Coney.
00:39:37.080
Neil Gorsuch was raised a Catholic, but now he's an Episcopal.
00:39:40.680
Ellen Kagan is Jewish. And Ketogen Brown Jackson is Protestant.
00:39:46.440
Now, I note here was this addition of the Protestant person onto the Supreme Court.
00:39:50.840
That's a pretty big deal, because that's the dominant religion in America.
00:39:54.440
And the last Supreme Court before she was added didn't have a single Protestant on it.
00:40:02.040
I thought we had more people with Jewish backgrounds on the Supreme Court.
00:40:04.760
It had one extra Jew. So it was two Jews, and then everyone else was born into a Catholic family,
00:40:13.480
Oh, was RBG, she was Jewish, or had Jewish background?
00:40:16.760
Yeah, so Ellen Kagan and Stephen G. Breyer were the last ones, but yeah.
00:40:21.000
But then Ruth Bader Ginsburg is controlled. If the Catholics decided to vote in a block,
00:40:28.360
they could control the entire way our state determines, like the United States determines
00:40:34.600
and interacts with laws, right? That's a big deal. And you could say, well, that's just because Catholics
00:40:41.480
are disproportionately in the legal profession. It's not as if there is a secret, oh God, there
00:40:46.920
is a secret organization that explicitly put them into this position.
00:40:56.760
But it's not secret. It's fine. It's out there. It's doing its thing. It's very public about what it
00:41:03.480
Yeah, so the Federalist Society is an organization that is run by Catholics. Now, they'd say that
00:41:14.040
that's not their motivation, but when you look at the people who they get appointed into judge
00:41:18.040
positions, they are disproportionately Catholics. And you might say, well, that's because Catholics
00:41:21.880
are disproportionately conservative, which is also not true. As I pointed out, historically Catholics
00:41:26.040
were not overwhelmingly majority. So you had a conservative organization that had a lot of Catholics
00:41:30.840
was in it. So let's look at all of these Catholic people who were appointed. John J. Roberts,
00:41:36.360
was he, does he have Federalist Society ties? Yes. Former steering committee member. Clarence Thomas?
00:41:42.040
Yes. Longtime member. Samuel Alito? Yes. Active member. Sonia Sotomayor? No. I think the only one who
00:41:48.040
wasn't. Brett Kavanaugh? Yes. 24 years frequent speaker. Neil Gorsuch? Yes. Member, convention speaker.
00:41:58.440
All of these Catholics who are in the Supreme Court were put there by a giant invitation,
00:42:04.920
I think it's an invitation only society that does have closed doors meetings. So it's what you would
00:42:08.920
call a secret society that took control of one of our branches of government, which matters a lot
00:42:15.720
when you consider this in the context of America being founded as an anti high church country.
00:42:23.640
Right? Because it is sort of like an active and intentional displacement. Now, am I okay with this?
00:42:33.960
Actually, yes, I'm totally okay with this. I'm okay with it for the same reason I'm okay with Jews
00:42:37.960
favoring in group stuff. The point being is I think that we all have the right to favor our in groups,
00:42:43.960
and it's important to investigate how in group favoritism is working and who is actually a better
00:42:50.520
ally given your values and your long-term goals for America's future. But I think to just throw out
00:42:58.280
there, Jews have taken control of things and used invitation only organizations to do this is a bit
00:43:05.560
calling the kettle black because Jews control nothing as powerful as the Supreme Court. Just for context
00:43:12.600
here. Now to continue. And you bet your bottom effing dollar if the Jews did control the Supreme Court,
00:43:19.400
people would be freaking the F out. And why am I okay with Catholics controlling the Supreme Court?
00:43:24.520
Because the Catholics largely speaking, other than Fuentes, uphold sort of their side of the right
00:43:30.040
alliance, which is to say, I understand that my values are different from the values of your average
00:43:35.480
right wing individual in America, and therefore I won't impose them on people so we can work together in
00:43:39.800
a coalition, which is something I know. I know that all of my values aren't held by all right-wing
00:43:43.880
people, so I do not attempt to impose those values. I try to work where our values overlap,
00:43:47.880
like restricting the age at which you can get an abortion, for example, right? I think that's a good
00:43:54.840
thing. We agree on that. Let's work on that. Restricting government censorship, making governments
00:43:59.640
smaller, removing government corruption, removing alphabet soup stuff, right?
00:44:02.520
Yeah. Okay. Now, then Nick goes into all of the money we give the Jews, which normally is about
00:44:10.040
3.8 billion in aid to Israel in a given year. Oh, all of this enormous money we give to the Jews.
00:44:17.560
Do you know how many, on average, we give to Catholic majority countries every year?
00:44:23.800
Oh. 3.2 billion, about what we give to Israel every year.
00:44:29.560
Well, but that's spread across a bunch of Catholics. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's not,
00:44:33.960
actually. Most of it's in the Caribbean. But here's where it gets spicy. The money that we give
00:44:40.040
the Jews, the 3.8 billion, almost all of it has to be spent on American goods, i.e. American weapons,
00:44:49.160
American business. It's basically just coming right back to the United States. The 3.2 billion we give to
00:44:54.680
Catholic majority countries, that stays in those countries. Really? That does not have to come back
00:45:01.080
So at the end of the day, America is losing way more money on Catholic majority countries
00:45:07.560
than we are losing on Jewish majority countries. Wow. That's a very, you, you pose interesting
00:45:13.480
questions when you, when you look at these things. I really appreciate that you do this.
00:45:16.520
I will note that last year we did up the Israel amount to 14.3 billion, but this is still like,
00:45:21.400
not a lot when you consider it against things like the amount we're giving to Ukraine and stuff like
00:45:24.840
that. To word it another way, we have to pay 60 to $70 billion annually for many years to deal with
00:45:32.040
the situation in the Ukraine. With Israel, it was a one-time additional payment of 14.3 billion.
00:45:37.720
And this is the thing when he's like, oh, Israel is just a liability. I'm like,
00:45:41.560
Israel fights their own effing wars. They're not a liability. Ukraine was a liability, right? I've seen
00:45:47.640
in real time what a country that's a liability looks like. You know, Israel, you know, ends its
00:45:52.600
wars and wins its wars. And all it needs is a one-year payment. We only increased the amount
00:45:59.480
we were giving them for one year. And this year, the amount that we sent them was only 500 million
00:46:03.960
more than normal, which just isn't that much when you contrast it to these other numbers.
00:46:07.720
So they're not as much of a liability as you would pretend they are.
00:46:12.120
Now I'm going to go into the next part, because I think that this is sort of the core of this.
00:46:15.640
And this gets to the point that you're talking about with, you know, a lot of our fans who are
00:46:19.320
Catholics, our Nick Fuentes, may not see himself as fundamentally subservient to the Vatican,
00:46:26.200
or as like an agent was in America trying to turn America into a vassal state of the Vatican.
00:46:30.760
Or they're just at least where they are focused is on building strong Catholic communities in
00:46:37.560
Right. And I, look, we support my number one top candidate for the leader of my party in the
00:46:48.920
I am all in on J.D. Vance. But my point, so I'm not like anti-Catholic or something like that,
00:46:54.280
or it's not that I, but I think that there are things that we need to sort of talk about as a
00:47:00.760
wider movement. Okay. So Catholicism is both a religion and a governance
00:47:07.240
system. One with its own country, mind you. If you say I'm Catholic only in a religious sense,
00:47:15.240
but I reject the governance system, i.e. I reject the Pope and the Cardinals and apostolic succession,
00:47:22.840
okay. You are in fact just like claiming to be a Catholic while definitionally not being a Catholic.
00:47:31.640
I don't know because also I feel like these, the Catholics that we know who also aren't very
00:47:39.080
Vatican oriented, who are much more grassroots oriented, represent the future of Catholicism.
00:47:44.680
I think they, I think if you look at what's happening in the Vatican, you look at, we have
00:47:51.080
not seen a shift more conservative with this Pope, which a lot of people have heard before.
00:47:54.200
No, we have not. No. But I just see that as, as, as an additional level of, of divorce from this
00:47:59.080
level. Remember during the revolution, the, the, the, the groups that they were afraid of,
00:48:04.200
the groups that they were mad about was, was two groups, the Anglicans and the Catholics. Okay.
00:48:08.440
Yeah. So you might not know this, but over the past few weeks, the Anglican church has split into
00:48:13.720
two churches. I didn't notice until you told me this morning, this is insane. Yeah. Why did it
00:48:18.680
split into two churches? It's split into two churches because the next version of what for them
00:48:22.520
is essentially their Pope is going to be a woman. And a lot of the churches didn't like that.
00:48:28.680
And the reality is, is what it looks to an outsider is happening with Catholicism is the actual
00:48:37.800
central structure of the church is moving further and further captured by the urban monoculture.
00:48:44.600
And a lot of the on the ground Catholics just sort of believe God will guide it back to where it
00:48:50.280
originally was and where it needs to be in alignment with scripture. Right. And a lot of Anglicans thought
00:48:55.320
that was going to happen with their religion as well. But the point I'm making here is even if you take
00:49:01.640
this position, definitionally, you're either, you know, like pseudo admitting to yourself that you're
00:49:07.960
not actually a Catholic, right? Like that you have separated from the apostolic succession,
00:49:12.440
from the Vatican, from the bureaucracy, or you're sort of like an absentia Catholic in Catholic
00:49:20.440
community, waiting for the Vatican to become sane again. And this is what I would call sort of a soft
00:49:25.800
secessionist, right? Like that's what I think we have mostly and in the in the strongest Catholic
00:49:31.320
communities in the United States. Yes, yes. Like they're leveraging the resources that they get
00:49:36.440
from their parishes and their local bishops and even from higher levels. But they also are like,
00:49:42.360
yeah, we're yeah, but Simone, this this matters as I'm going to begin to lay out the rest of this,
00:49:48.360
right? Because it actually really matters if you think about where the party is going to go,
00:49:52.600
where the conservative alliance goes, and where cultural alliances between groups like this,
00:49:57.320
and groups like us, you know, where the schismatics and the and because they don't see themselves as
00:50:02.760
schismatic, but they're they really are kind of soft schismatics. And I'm going to continue here.
00:50:08.440
So I'm gonna be honest here, I think a lot of our followers who are Catholic, and even Nick,
00:50:13.000
fall into this category. But what I mean, if you are a real Catholic, and follow the logic of that
00:50:19.000
theology, is it the logical conclusion? And this is this is very important. So suppose you are an
00:50:24.200
actual Catholic, like you follow the actual doctrine. And I don't mean like one branch,
00:50:27.960
I mean, literally any mainstream branch of Catholics, they hold on to this belief that the goal
00:50:33.960
is to one day convert everyone on Earth, or not everyone, but hopefully the majority of people on
00:50:39.960
Earth into Catholics make every country a Catholic majority country, I'm sure Nick would say that is
00:50:45.240
the long term goal. And then by extension, every country is subordinate to, because presumably,
00:50:53.800
the Vatican sorts itself out, it shakes off all of this liberalism, it becomes the way it's supposed
00:50:58.680
to be again, a central governing body of technocrats that has its own country, and controls every other
00:51:08.600
country on Earth, sort of like vassal states. Basically, it's recreating a theological version of the UN.
00:51:17.800
To be a Catholic integralist, which I think is a religious mandate, if you actually take Catholicism
00:51:24.360
at face value, to say, we do eventually want to convert everyone, and I do not want to change the
00:51:29.560
the papal system, right, is to say eventually we convert everyone, and then everyone is subordinate to
00:51:34.440
Rome. Well, the problem here being is, one, it's the ultimate globalist position. It's sort of like
00:51:41.320
the maximalist globalist position, which is, if you are familiar with the rest of my ideology,
00:51:48.520
or Simone's ideology, you would understand why that's so horrifying to us. And I think that some
00:51:53.880
of the Catholics can feel like, why are they so, like, do their hairs go up when we're talking about
00:51:59.720
Catholic stuff, and it's because a lot of them just ignore that this is the end goal, but if you look
00:52:07.080
at Simone and I, and you look at how we view the world, we're always thinking in terms of end goals. Like,
00:52:13.160
500 years, 5,000 years, 10,000 years, a million years into the future, what, where do we want humanity to be? And so if
00:52:20.600
we're always seeing things 1,000 years out, or 500 years out, or something like that, we're going to
00:52:27.720
be very aware of what is the active end goal of different groups, even if it's not what they're
00:52:34.760
fighting for in the moment. And the theological, I'm not talking about political, the theological end goal
00:52:41.800
is to essentially transform the earth into like a global theological UN, but operating under God,
00:52:49.960
right? And, and that's not an evil plan or anything like that. I can see why somebody would think that
00:52:57.560
that was a good thing to do, but it goes against not just our theological leanings, but our political
00:53:04.920
leanings, because I am a nationalist, I am an anti-globalist. And I think that this, and people
00:53:11.480
will note here, they're like, well, what about other groups? Because there's other groups in the
00:53:13.960
conservative alliance. And a lot of religious groups have this as their end state, right? Like
00:53:19.880
Mormons eventually want to convert everyone on earth to Mormonism. And eventually that would mean
00:53:25.560
that all governments would be subordinate to the Mormon central church in Utah. But here is where it
00:53:32.440
gets a little more nuanced. It's not the same for every religion, right? So a Mormon who wants to do that
00:53:39.880
can be an American nationalist in a way that a Catholic cannot be a real American nationalist if
00:53:46.440
they admit this long-term of plan of Catholicism, which is to say that a, the central church of
00:53:51.720
Mormonism is in America already. So they benefit their long-term plan benefits from disproportionately
00:54:00.840
benefiting America on the world stage and empowering America within the world stage.
00:54:06.120
Whereas the Vatican is not exactly going to benefit from making America rise.
00:54:12.680
Yes. The Vatican isn't anything and will actually go over. It has been a long-time
00:54:19.480
I've only heard of criticisms of American policy coming from Vatican City, to be fair.
00:54:25.080
Yes. It's not awesome. They are one of America's core sort of political,
00:54:33.560
as a political axis, one of our core enemies, which makes them very different from like Israel.
00:54:39.160
Israel will do stuff like spy on us or sell technology or something like that. But it's
00:54:45.960
always out of self-interest. It's not in an active attempt to sabotage us for the sake of sabotaging us.
00:54:56.600
Well, no, no, no. I think a better way of putting that is their self-interest doesn't involve
00:55:01.800
sabotaging or knocking us down. Whereas perhaps there are reasons why the Catholic church would
00:55:12.600
Yeah. Everyone acts with self-interest. I don't mind that Israel occasionally acts with self-interest.
00:55:15.800
It only acts with self-interest. Everyone only acts with self-interest.
00:55:19.320
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're missing my point here, Simone.
00:55:22.040
Israel, when Israel does something to sabotage the US's political interests,
00:55:29.240
it is because they were able to gain some benefit from that action.
00:55:34.920
The Vatican will, and we'll go into instances of this, sabotage America's interests with no benefit
00:55:42.520
benefit to them for the sake, because they, they see America as an existential enemy of theirs.
00:55:50.200
Yes. The benefit to them is knocking them down. If, if, if knocking, knocking us down.
00:55:55.240
Because we're an enemy, but Israel doesn't see us that way. I'm, I'm, I'm pointing this out. This is
00:56:00.520
Yes. There's greater alignment between the, the long-term goals of Israel and the United States
00:56:05.400
than there are between the Vatican and the United States.
00:56:09.000
But we'll get to that in a second. But with, with, with, with Catholics, for example, I, I do think
00:56:12.840
you could be a Catholic nationalist and like an Italian, because I think that Italy's interests
00:56:17.160
are really aligned with the Vatican's interests and, and you could, you know, you're advancing Italy's
00:56:21.480
interests, you're advancing Catholic interests. Now, you may ask, with all this being the case,
00:56:25.640
why, why do I so readily ally with Catholic factions within the wider, you know, sort of,
00:56:35.400
whether it's the pro-natalist coalition, why do I try to offer advice on how things can be fixed? Why
00:56:40.760
do I work to alert them to their own low birth rates and everything like that? There are a number
00:56:46.120
of reasons. As I've said, one, everything that we could win a campaign on right now, I am broadly
00:56:52.440
aligned with Catholics on. If you tried to ban, for example, IVF in the United States,
00:56:56.360
you probably would not win a presidential election. Right. And so there's no reason for
00:57:00.040
them to advocate for that. If you try to, you know, make a super soldier program, like I would
00:57:05.400
want to, you're not going to win a U S election. Right. So we, but it's not just that, because I'm
00:57:10.920
not just aligning with Catholics. I'm actively trying to make the Catholic movement more healthy.
00:57:17.080
When I'm like, here is social technology you can use. Here's a way you could start in order to
00:57:21.480
address this. Here's, you know, you have low fertility rates here, here, and here. Here's
00:57:25.320
how I'd address it. If I was in your community, why am I trying to make someone that is existentially
00:57:30.760
at a head with my goals? You know, we believe that humans have a mandate to inter-generationally
00:57:35.480
improve. And so this means that we believe in engaging with genetic science, like genetic
00:57:40.520
alteration of humans, engaging with brain computer interface, emerging of humans with AI,
00:57:45.080
everything like that. Right. Like artificial wounds, all of this stuff that because Catholics
00:57:49.240
believe in the sanctity of the body, Catholics are actively against and would actively attempt to
00:57:53.880
oppose. So somebody could act, which I note here, Jews are not actively against. Like if you're like,
00:57:59.000
why do we so readily align with Jews? Whereas like Protestant Mormons eventually want everyone to be
00:58:04.200
Mormon. So even if we align in the, in the short term, we're going to have problems in the long term.
00:58:08.360
Right. Also Mormons don't oppose any of this technology. Like Mormons are okay with all this,
00:58:13.320
which is one of the reasons why, even if Mormons became like the dominant faction in the United
00:58:16.680
States, they'd still be our, you know, they wouldn't, they wouldn't attempt to strip us of
00:58:21.080
things that we need to achieve our theological mandates. If Jews became the dominant faction in
00:58:25.240
the United States, they would not attempt to strip us of things we need to achieve our theological
00:58:28.840
mandates. If Catholics did, they absolutely would. In, in most Catholic majority countries,
00:58:33.880
we wouldn't have a single child because IVF is functionally banned. They make you do the transfers
00:58:39.320
immediately. This is the most Catholic Europe majority countries. And it's, you know, I wouldn't,
00:58:43.160
I wouldn't have a single kid. My line doesn't exist. Right. So the point I'm making here is,
00:58:47.960
so why do we so try to help them and readily ally with them? And the real reason is because
00:58:53.000
they're kind of on the back foot. If they were doing as well as the Jews, I might have a more concern
00:58:58.680
about them. But the reality is that they have desperately low fertility rates, Catholic majority
00:59:03.160
countries, like 1.18 in like Italy, 1.5, 1.15 in, in Spain, all across America, we have rates around
00:59:11.880
1.1, 1.2 now. Catholics are kind of going extinct. In the United States, they have low fertility rates.
00:59:17.960
You know, we're just seeing very, very low Catholic fertility rates outside of one community, which is
00:59:24.120
Hispanic immigrants in the United States have a relatively decent fertility rate, but it doesn't
00:59:29.000
offset the rest of the Catholic fertility rate. But because they have such a low fertility rate,
00:59:32.760
and not just a low fertility rate, but a low fertility rate combined with a lack of economic
00:59:37.720
relevance, you know, most Catholic majority countries. And this is just a thing, like when,
00:59:41.960
when Nick Fuentes might say something like, I don't want our country to become a Muslim majority country
00:59:47.560
because Muslim majority countries, you know, are poor and corrupt, but you're dealing with the same
00:59:55.960
thing from my perspective. I just think he lacks the external framing. If you're not a Catholic and you
01:00:01.160
look around the world at Catholic majority countries, every single one of them is poor
01:00:06.360
and corrupt, with the possible exception of Ireland, which is in a downward spiral right now.
01:00:12.520
So I think that primarily that it's the tax incentives with large corporations that's been
01:00:18.760
propping it up. Right. So kind of, yeah. So this is why when I think about like long-term partners,
01:00:26.040
right, like for my ideological framework, my religious framework, we can be a movement. We
01:00:33.000
can all sit down and be like, Hey, like, and even our Catholic followers, they're not hiding this from
01:00:37.400
us. They know, like we know, and they know they don't want us to, to have a family that grows really
01:00:45.560
large and popularizes the use of germline gene editing in humans. They don't want us.
01:00:51.880
Well, I think they honestly, I think Catholics would prefer that to apologetic risk or selection
01:00:56.360
because you have fewer. I thought this as well. And I was talking to a reporter in Telemundo and
01:01:00.440
she's like, they absolutely would not. Oh really? Even though ideologically they see one as,
01:01:05.320
as like murder, they, they still see the second as worse because they see it as so violating of the
01:01:10.680
human condition. And this is because the root of our individual conservative ideologies comes from two
01:01:16.040
different places. Their conservative ideologies route is wanting to go back to a more traditional
01:01:21.960
way of doing things. Whereas our conservative route is very Nietzschean. It is the strong should
01:01:28.840
beat the weak. We need to continue to become stronger. And if there is a technology that allows us to
01:01:34.600
counter the dysgenic trends within our population, or in some way strengthen our population relative to
01:01:43.000
other populations, we have a mandate to engage with that. We understand where their position
01:01:49.640
comes from. And I think they understand where our position comes from. And they're both parts
01:01:53.320
of the wider conservative ideology. And so our Catholic fans, like none of our Catholic fans are
01:01:58.760
surprised by this. Like, this isn't me like being, errr, I'm mad at Catholic. Our Catholic fans are like,
01:02:04.840
yeah, I don't like that you guys do this stuff and this stuff and this stuff.
01:02:07.880
Well, that's one of the great things about our podcast is that the people who listen to this
01:02:11.400
podcast are not like our ideological mirrors. They are very different people.
01:02:16.600
And I love that. And I think that's why, and, and they can say, and they can be like,
01:02:21.000
but honestly, we are at a political fulcrum point in terms of human history and we cannot risk losing
01:02:27.480
an election. Like the fact that Nick Fuentes didn't even vote in the last election cycle,
01:02:31.720
to me, it's really telling of where his heart lies that, you know, babies are being murdered
01:02:37.320
by his standards and he couldn't bring himself to ally with the mainstream conservative party over
01:02:43.720
this, over what is really pretty aesthetic differences, but we'll get into that in a second.
01:02:49.880
So I want to go into some of the quotes from the interview that I thought were really interesting.
01:02:53.560
He said, I think we are required to love our wives. I think you have to love our wives as our wives.
01:02:59.720
So he's talking about the way he sees women and everything like that. But he also talked about,
01:03:03.800
you know, why he doesn't have a wife yet. Really what I took away from this, he says,
01:03:08.360
he basically tried to say that they're all women will destroy your life. All women will make you
01:03:12.440
unhappy. And of course, on the other side here, the, what was his name?
01:03:16.760
It's not like a big portion of our audience wouldn't agree with him.
01:03:20.760
Tucker Carlson was like, no, but all women might ruin that. One of the, one of the problems was
01:03:27.240
a griper movement more broadly. And Nick has talked about this. And it's one of the reasons
01:03:30.680
apparently he doesn't get a wife is because he has found that when people in the movement marry
01:03:35.240
out and know here, I have no like animosity, Nick Fuentes. He seems like a perfectly nice guy.
01:03:40.040
I can be like our goals are run cross-function to his goals long-term, but I think he could be a very
01:03:46.280
valuable player in the conservative alliance. If he would stop stabbing us in the back by telling
01:03:50.040
people not to vote during critical election cycles, like if Kamala had won,
01:03:54.440
what would be happening in American media right now? You know, what would be happening with the
01:03:58.040
American legal system right now with the school system, like in Gaza, even right? Like
01:04:04.360
so many horrible things would have happened. And it just seems like such a petty,
01:04:07.800
but not to get to that. Cause I've already had episodes where I go off on that.
01:04:11.560
If you have a movement where you have a fear of marrying because you think you will leave the
01:04:16.120
movement if you do that, and you have a fear of your followers marrying because it has frequently
01:04:20.920
caused them to leave the movement, then this is not a movement that is cohesive with
01:04:25.720
intergenerational stability, right? Like it's not a movement that's going to matter in 50 years
01:04:31.160
because they're not going to reproduce. Yeah. Nick actually is well aware of this,
01:04:35.400
which I like, you know, he's a, he's a smart guy, right? He thinks that if they can make enough
01:04:40.600
of an Overton window shift now with like the 10 years of relevance, they might have, you know,
01:04:45.720
you know, that he can move American conservatism, the breeders more towards his perspectives.
01:04:53.000
Can he achieve this? I think he has achieved it to a small extent, you know, through getting on
01:04:58.520
the Tucker Carlson show, everything like that, airing out the things that he's airing out,
01:05:02.280
which will go into a lot of the things he said about Israel, but I don't know if he'll achieve
01:05:05.560
it. I don't see it being possible long run because it's just not a long-term plan. It's a short-term
01:05:11.000
plan that seems incompatible with procreation if people who get married leave it, if it can't
01:05:16.600
appeal to women, right? And he said here, I don't know a happy woman that's a liberal.
01:05:21.800
Then the, and Tucker Carlson was saying, I don't know a happy married woman who's not a conservative.
01:05:28.120
Sort of pointing out that if you marry a woman and you make her happy, she'll become conservative,
01:05:32.520
right? Like you did. You were very progressive when I met you. Another one here that he said that I
01:05:37.320
thought was pretty rich. They have an international community across borders, extremely organized.
01:05:42.920
Like no other community is like that. And I'm like, except for the, like the Catholics,
01:05:46.680
you guys literally have the federalist society. You literally took over a branch of the U S government.
01:05:51.560
The Jews have not achieved that, you know, but I think it's a bit of a, it's hard to see this stuff
01:05:56.520
when you're inside the house, then when you're outside the house and the house is so obvious
01:06:01.160
looking, right? And I think that this is also when people are like, well, the Jews are a group
01:06:05.400
that's different from you and has cross interests to you. And I'm like, so are the Catholics,
01:06:10.440
right? Like we are a small group, the techno Puritans, my family's traditions, like these,
01:06:15.000
these pro tech people, we are a very, the last descendants of Puritan logic in America.
01:06:20.520
We are a very small faction, right? We need to build alliances with groups that are not us while
01:06:27.160
being aware that these other groups will only build alliances with us if they're self-serving,
01:06:31.080
right? This is as true for Catholics as it is for Jews. He says, Jews want to protect Israel.
01:06:37.080
He said, he said a number of times, the enemy is the conservative movement. And he actively
01:06:40.520
sees mainstream conservatism as a bigger enemy than wokeism and stuff like this. And I wasn't
01:06:44.760
sure if this is just like my prejudice of him that was leading me to believe that he was actively
01:06:49.800
attempting to sabotage the United States conservative movement. And he made it very clear that no,
01:06:54.600
this is an active choice on his part, which does mean that if you are a member of the conservative
01:07:01.000
movement in the, in the United States, and this is why it's like, don't attack conservatives that
01:07:05.400
are to the right of you. It's like, I agree with that. If they haven't made the mainstream
01:07:10.520
conservative movement, they're active and stated enemy. That's where it gets a little different when
01:07:16.680
their goal is to prevent us from winning election cycles and killing babies, right?
01:07:21.560
Well, and from our perspective. Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to now go over like what the Vatican is
01:07:29.560
actually doing, what its ideology actually is, because I think that this is important to contrast
01:07:35.480
with Nick's ideology here, because I think what we can see is his worldview is sort of only works
01:07:42.360
as long as you forget that the thing that makes Catholics different from Protestants is apostolic
01:07:46.760
succession and the Vatican and the central bureaucracy, at least some branch of the Protestantism,
01:07:52.200
not every branch of Protestantism. Okay. So plenary indulgence for world use day,
01:07:56.360
eco participation, 2023. It's been world use day, a Vatican event, got indulgences,
01:08:03.240
could earn a plenary indulgence by joining cry of the earth, an ecological initiative.
01:08:09.800
What? They are now giving indulgences for environmentalist work.
01:08:16.440
I, you know, that makes sense, actually. I mean, like, given how the church has evolved over time,
01:08:23.480
that it has become much more progressive and that they still have indulgences that,
01:08:28.280
yeah, that checks out. That would, that would be happening.
01:08:30.840
They're hoping that it is no longer possible to doubt that the human anthropic
01:08:34.840
origin of climate change. And that this, you know, affects everyone on earth, et cetera, et cetera.
01:08:39.720
Francis warns of extreme climate change at risk from CO2. And they have been extremely adamant,
01:08:47.000
and this is a big problem for Italy at bringing in refugees and extremely critical of Trump's refugee
01:08:54.760
policy. We ourselves see the migrants and refugees do not only represent a problem to be solved,
01:09:01.880
but our brothers and sisters to be welcome, respected, and loved. So, and they've pushed
01:09:06.760
for personal invitations of migrants into Italy. They have called Trump's policy a disgrace.
01:09:13.160
They have attacked Trump during his first election cycle as well. A person who thinks only about
01:09:18.200
building walls wherever they may be and not building bridges is not a Christian.
01:09:22.440
And I note here, a fun one here is, because now we're going to go over what,
01:09:26.760
what Nick would actually say and some quotes from Nick.
01:09:29.160
Okay. But they're like, Jews want to take over the world and force their no-hide laws on us. And I'm
01:09:35.160
like, bro, one, Jews already disproportionately out-compete other people within systems.
01:09:42.520
No-hide laws. We've done another episode pointing out that they're basically a scam and not real,
01:09:46.920
and some modern Jews made it up, and it's a very long video. We're not always positive to Jewish
01:09:51.720
people, mind you. In that episode, we argue that Judaism-
01:09:54.280
Contrary to what everyone in our comments argues.
01:09:56.440
And Christianity is very obviously the correct successor to the ancient Christian religion,
01:10:03.720
which is only called Judaism now because of, I don't want to go into this in this video,
01:10:08.600
but the point being is we are critical of Judaism as well. But the funny thing is that the no-hide
01:10:13.000
laws don't actually impose any additional restrictions on somebody who is already a Catholic or a Christian.
01:10:19.160
Literally no additional restrictions. Whereas if Catholics controlled everything,
01:10:22.520
they would impose tons of additional restrictions on everyone else, which is again, why if you're
01:10:26.760
choosing a faction to ally ways. So here's a quote from him, F the UN and internet and democracy.
01:10:33.880
You know what democracy has given us? Obesity, low rates of literacy. It's given us divorce,
01:10:38.440
abortion, gay marriage, liberalism, pornography. That's what democracy has given us.
01:10:42.680
Ghettos and crime and political correctness. Diversity, yeah. The track record of democracy,
01:10:47.240
not so good. Catholic autocracy, pretty strong, pretty strong record. Catholic monarchy,
01:10:52.040
Catholic monarchy, and just war and crusades and Inquisition, pretty good stuff.
01:10:57.880
The thing here is, I think actually, if you look at the history of a lot of the Catholic monarchies,
01:11:05.000
there was an extreme amount of poverty was in them. They did effectively organize during specific
01:11:11.480
periods. But generally speaking, I might even say it might be worse trying it again because it does
01:11:18.200
appear to me that for the reasons we studied above, Catholicism may be like true. Like I'm
01:11:23.880
going to go balls to the wall with my Catholicism might be incompatible with democracy. And that might
01:11:28.120
be why there's so much corruption in Catholic majority states, right? It might be that democracy
01:11:32.280
is more like of a Protestant Jewish thing. And I'm not saying this is like a attack on different
01:11:38.120
groups are different. Different things work for them, right? Look at our video on Arabs. Like
01:11:42.200
Arabs almost never have democracies. And when they do, it usually ends in a horrible, corrupt
01:11:47.640
disaster. So, you know, the Catholics may be the same way, right? I don't know, right? We haven't seen it
01:11:53.720
tried recently. But I don't disagree with this. But what I would say is then why don't you go back to
01:12:00.200
a Catholic majority country, right? Like, why don't you go back to a country where the culture of that
01:12:04.920
country is your culture, right? You know, your culture is not my culture. Your culture is not
01:12:11.480
the culture of America. Your culture is not the culture of America at its funding founding. It's
01:12:16.360
not the culture of America today. And there are plenty of countries on earth that have your culture,
01:12:22.680
right? Like what, why do you need to be here? Like the very arguments that he uses immigration,
01:12:28.920
I feel about him. It's like, you haven't integrated, you haven't assimilated, you don't
01:12:35.880
seem to understand American values. Why can't you go to one of the countries that share your value
01:12:41.800
system, rather than our value system? Right? All right, so let me let me take a take a crack here,
01:12:50.120
though, you know, as as someone who, like, I don't know what it was about the Nick fangirl deep dive,
01:12:56.440
right? But like, now I'm quite fond. And now that I wasn't not fond of him before,
01:13:00.600
I was just completely ignorant. But like, I'm like, oh, Nick Quintus, like, there's a fondness
01:13:04.840
there that wasn't there before. On top of that, some of our favorite people in the world are Catholic.
01:13:11.320
I mean, Catherine Ruth Bacolic is, she's Catholic. Roger Severino of Heritage is Catholic. A bunch of
01:13:20.520
other people that we know that we're not going to name for their privacy are Catholic. And they
01:13:26.120
they represent, to me, and in my view, a sort of new guard of Catholicism. And yes, you we've
01:13:33.160
already kind of aired this a little bit earlier in the episode, but I kind of. And like, you know what,
01:13:39.480
I'm all for a sort of revisionist history, Catholicism, that is that is America first and
01:13:47.640
American nationalist Catholicism that is kind of like, hey, we're playing the long game,
01:13:52.760
we're going to inherit the future of the Catholic Church. A lot of the people who are following,
01:13:57.080
who follow this podcast, who are also Catholic, regularly send to us episode ideas on on a
01:14:03.960
corruption within the Catholic Church of like, here are these people who've been trying to push
01:14:08.280
it to a progressive end. Here's this corruption. Here's this thing. They're they're actively critical
01:14:14.120
of the Vatican. They're anything but blindly loyal to the Vatican. And I take a lot of comfort
01:14:19.560
personally and knowing that on a grassroots level, they're building something that I think,
01:14:23.880
honestly, on a community level is more organized and working better than the vast majority of
01:14:28.680
technophilic religions. I would say maybe even more so than Orthodox Jews in the United States,
01:14:34.520
because while Orthodox Jews have really strong local communities, they're also a little bit more
01:14:39.640
technophobic in some circles, like they seem a little bit too insular and not that integrated with
01:14:44.680
the wider world. I agree with all this. But as I laid out, basically what these groups are doing
01:14:50.440
is they're moving into a soft schismatic position while they hope the Vatican gets its butt together.
01:14:55.400
Well, I think you don't have to hope for the Vatican to get its act together. I think you just have to
01:15:01.240
wait it out. That's what the Anglicans did. And now they've got a lady pope.
01:15:05.800
Right. But that's I think that's on the tail end. I mean, look at where the UK is in general right now.
01:15:10.520
No, look at where Italy is in general. But like, no, what I'm saying is the UK hasn't got its act
01:15:16.840
together. The UK isn't enjoying the dividends of a long term demographic shift that would that is
01:15:24.280
that would be downstream of what I expect from the Catholic community. What the what the UK now has is,
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you know, similarly reflected in its current status with with immigration and policy and censorship.
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And we have that episode on how basically the UK is being occupied by a hostile anti-British force
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now. And it's sort of this form of like wokeism that's really creepy. So, of course, I would expect
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the Anglican Church to be like this. What I'm looking at is the long game of what Catholicism in the
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United States is now, which is something that we would probably be pretty happy with and think is
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is positive. So I don't think I agree with all of that. And that's why we ally with them so readily
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and frequently. But I also think it's important for groups to not be sitting there and each thinking to
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themselves, well, I know in 200 or 300 years, either we're going to have to convert you or there's going
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to be trouble. Right. Like and and I think that it's it's more honest as a movement if we share that
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I am aware that our long term plans and your long term plans are theologically incompatible.
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And then you can talk about how do you make that work? For example, the techno puritans and the
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other groups like us could just leave Earth. Right. You know, I don't I don't need to I don't have any
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special attachment to this planet. Catholics do. They can convert all the humans on Earth and feel great
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about themselves. Right. I there are ways that we can by having the conversation and admitting
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that on paper it looks like one day we will be directly at in conflict with each other.
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They that it's important to to air and bring that up, even if right now their communities and our
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communities like I feel much more comfortable with our kids socializing within their communities than
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within the urban monoculture. So so like clearly I don't have I see them as cultural allies in the moment.
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And I think that some people can think it's cool to dunk on a group just because they know that
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they're going to be cultural enemies in the future. And what I'm trying to do here is not do that.
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Say, look, we are like even when I read Nick's whole thing about democracy not working and Catholic
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monarchy, I was like, yeah, like that's a decent point. Right. And I'm going to split this episode
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into two episodes. Actually, the second one is going to be when we go over Jews versus Catholics,
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who to sideways? Because that'll be a fun one. And that's where we can go over all of his
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questions about Judaism and like, is Judaism a problem in in the amount of ties Israel has in
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the United States? Because it is it is a lot. You know, there are concessions for that relationship.
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But I'd also note here, Simone, that it's important to remember that, like, just how
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bone Catholicism looks like it's going to be like even these factions of Catholicism.
01:18:09.400
If you look at current rates of sperm decline, I think it's by 2045, 50 percent of men in the
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developed world are going to be infertile. And this number is going to keep going on.
01:18:16.680
Right. Like if you do not use reproductive technology, which many the mainstream position
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in Catholicism is do not use it. You're going to really struggle to keep those numbers up.
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And they're already struggling. Like I hear what you're saying.
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Right. But I also I mean, there there is something something to be said for the fact that
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that that an anti-IVF policy could change and likely will change in the future.
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But it's not set in stone. And one of the nice things about the Catholic Church is leadership
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is able to change things like this is in timelines where the Catholic Church survives and the good
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ones don't go schismatic is a future in which the church severely changes.
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The problem here being is that the ones who are having the most kids want it to change the least.
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OK, OK. So Nick Funtis has talked about a wanting a Catholic government.
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He's talking about America is a Christian nation, not a Judeo-Christian nation.
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This was one of the expos, which I absolutely love in the light of the Catholic history of America.
01:19:26.280
He said once you are with the Catholic or you're with the Jews, which, you know, we will get to.
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I can see that the supreme leader, totalitarian Christian dictator.
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He has liked the idea of banning a bunch of stuff, replacing our current country with a Catholic Taliban.
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And you can see why when we hear these sorts of things, you mean a Catholic caliphate, basically a Catholic.
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I think he said Taliban, actually, but he actually said Taliban. Oh, my God.
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So so and he's and he complains a lot about like I've tried to figure out what his long term vision of.
01:19:58.360
Like, does he understand that the consequence of his worldview is everybody being under a Catholic super state out of the Vatican, sort of a global technocracy.
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He seems to stop at let's remove Jewish influence. Let's increase Catholic influence.
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Yeah. And I mean, that's why it would be so fun to have him on the podcast and talk about these things, because when I want to confirm if that's actually his stance.
01:20:20.660
But, too, you know, as we've seen just in so much empirical data, when you try from a top down level to enforce these policies and you can look at anything from Aria Baba's research, which is more weak correlations to like places such as Iran, where people are just actively fighting back against the morality police and stuff.
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It doesn't work that this needs to come from within this has to come from devout commitment to your religious values, not because the morality police are going to come and arrest you if you are acting against religious tenants.
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So, yeah, I mean, if only if only we could talk with him and I know that he he we in an earlier time would have talked with us, but he's he's really trending now.
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And I also think that that's just really interesting. I feel like he started to trend first when Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson kind of lambasted him in their own one on one chat.
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But he he he keeps trending up in the media. He keeps making the front page of drudge and there's something going on there.
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I don't know if it's that it just his rise or orchestrated rise fits into a certain narrative that people really want.
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I think it's progressives are using him to attack the conservative movement.
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He does seem like a cudgel and like he's being yeah, that there are people uninvolved with him that are trying to put him into place and like insert him into narratives like recall that this is what we were accused of of of of being responsible for the Charlie Kirk assassination.
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Yeah. So you've got to be aware of the larger political play here. OK, the conservatives have done a very good job of allying with the Jews. Right. And it's useful to ally with the Jews.
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There's a lot of reasons. All I was the Jews in terms of all over the world.
01:22:13.880
They have disproportionate positions of power within governments, within country and within business.
01:22:19.180
If they think that the U.S.'s success is going to benefit them in whether it's Israel or Judaism, moreover, they have a vested interest in the U.S.'s success.
01:22:31.380
So there is a this idea of there's no reason to side with the Jews.
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And I want to be clear here. It's not that I, quote unquote, trust the Jews or Israel.
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It's that I trust the Jews in Israel to act in their best interest.
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The thing is, is I can find a path where that best interest correlates with my best interest.
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I find it harder to find a path where the Vatican's best interest correlates with my best interest, at least when I look at what the Vatican is putting out right now in terms of public statements.
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And the great thing is progressives always turn against the Jews because progressives believe that all differences between groups and communities can't be downstream of genetics, can't be downstream of culture.
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They must be downstream of what? Systemic unfairness, right?
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And so if Jews are in positions of power, Jews must have cheated, right?
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This is why the whole Black Lives Matter thing, everything like that.
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And the right has been able to absorb the Jewish movement to a large extent in the United States, which is very important.
01:23:30.860
And we've been able to cut off a lot of donations that were going to left wing causes and stuff like that from Jews.
01:23:34.860
And the left desperately needs to try to convince American Jews and the American public that there are still right wing anti-Semites out there.
01:23:43.520
And about the only one left is Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens.
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But yeah, we just have Ben Shapiro to blame for all that.
01:24:00.780
And the next episode, we're going to go into Nick's accusations about Israel, which are mostly accurate, by the way.
01:24:06.840
And why, despite them being accurate, they are generally less inflammatory than if it was the Vatican.
01:24:15.640
Like almost any complaint he has about Israel, the Vatican has done worse.
01:24:20.540
And this is where it gets to the thing of like, we need to like, it's either Catholics or the Jews.
01:24:26.500
Somebody who isn't actively a Catholic, you know, your answer is going to be pretty obvious.
01:24:31.780
And there's a reason why for the conservative party, they have tried to ally with the Jews.
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I'll whip those out this weekend along with the bouncy things.
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I watched enough shows of the kids to know that when you have little things in your house, you have to battle them.
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And that is probably why we had CPS coming over to our house again.
01:25:17.040
Not for battling, because my kid made finger guns at someone at school.
01:25:19.940
Yeah, so they had to make sure all of our actual guns were locked up, because clearly that's his next step.
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You know, finger guns are just the gateway to gun guns.
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Although, I mean, keep in mind, there's this very prominent lawsuit that I think either is about to be decided, or that's finally going into court, which is about that first grader who shot his teacher.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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I grabbed my old phone, dialed my side with glee.
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He sees young Nick Fontes, a college kid bright
01:26:15.920
With opinions so mild, not spoiling for a fight
01:26:30.920
Fies him from gigs while he's still in his dorm
01:26:34.920
Turns a normal young guy into anti-Semite storm
01:26:44.920
Pushing good folks to madness, driving them insane
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From questions on aid to full-blown hateful spite
01:26:53.920
The Jews would be better without your dark light
01:27:02.920
Your dark light, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
01:27:13.920
But Ben starts the war, fills her heart up with fear
01:27:18.920
Harasses over Gaza, calls her names in the fray
01:27:22.920
Fires her from daily wire, sends her anti-Semite way
01:27:27.920
She flips to the shadows with tropes sold and grim fate
01:27:54.920
Pushing good folks to madness, driving them insane
01:27:59.920
From questions on aid to full-blown hateful spite
01:28:03.920
The Jews would be better without your dark light
01:28:12.920
Your dark light, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
01:28:23.920
He's breeding the hate that we all hate to know