Based Camp - Groypers & Nick Fuentes： An Anthropology Of A Paradoxical Ideology

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:00:00.920 I'm excited to be here with you today.

00:00:02.480 I have been looking forward to this episode.

00:00:04.680 We both watched the Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson interview.

00:00:08.760 And my first thoughts upon watching that interview

00:00:13.080 was to pick up my phone, to call Mossad and say,

00:00:17.320 Mossad, I found the guy who's turning everyone

00:00:20.720 into anti-Semites.

00:00:21.760 You need to watch this video.

00:00:23.840 His name is Ben Shapiro.

00:00:26.760 Oh, Ben.

00:00:27.800 Oh, Ben.

00:00:28.880 It is so funny because if you watch the video,

00:00:31.040 it's very clear that Nick Fuentes did not

00:00:32.840 start with any anti-Semitic beliefs at all.

00:00:35.120 Yeah.

00:00:35.520 It was completely pushed into them

00:00:37.640 by extreme and incredibly immoral acts by Ben Shapiro.

00:00:42.600 And if you look at Candace Owens,

00:00:44.760 it appears that she also had a similar journey.

00:00:47.960 Yeah, he just keeps radicalizing people with platforms

00:00:50.600 against his real news.

00:00:52.640 And what's funny is he will do this to anyone.

00:00:54.360 He did this to us.

00:00:55.200 When we first started rising as right-wing stars,

00:00:57.400 his first intuition was to just attack us.

00:01:00.640 Yeah, I think he referred to us as something along the lines 0.85

00:01:03.360 of insufferable nerds.

00:01:05.040 He accused us of being nerdy. 0.94

00:01:08.160 But I take nerd as a compliment.

00:01:09.520 So this means I'm at the top of the nerd hierarchy here.

00:01:12.440 Thank goodness.

00:01:13.360 But in this video, what we're going to be doing is we are going

00:01:15.880 to be taking a deeper analysis into Nick Fuentes' views.

00:01:20.640 And through that, elucidate something, parts of American history

00:01:25.720 and American identity that I think a lot of people aren't very aware of

00:01:29.600 because it's been largely covered up in the school system.

00:01:32.120 And it makes Nick Fuentes' entire worldview, when you are aware of this,

00:01:36.520 come off as a little confused, if I'm going to be honest.

00:01:39.640 And we're also going to think through how you can have people

00:01:44.080 with different long-term goals sort of working together in the same group.

00:01:47.760 Because I think when you think through what Nick Fuentes' long-term goals are,

00:01:50.520 they're very antagonistic to our long-term goals.

00:01:53.080 But I think we can still work together.

00:01:54.880 And he also seems like a decent guy from what I've seen.

00:01:57.760 Yeah, for the record, we actually reached out to him hoping that he would just come on

00:02:02.000 to be interviewed on this.

00:02:02.960 Like, we'd rather just ask him directly about these things.

00:02:06.320 Unfortunately, he didn't respond.

00:02:07.840 So we're going to have to just go on, well, Malcolm did extensive research on things

00:02:13.120 he has said online publicly that are documented.

00:02:15.840 So we're doing our best here.

00:02:17.040 But Nick, if you ever see this, we'd love to have you on.

00:02:20.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:21.520 And I will also say that upon hearing through this interview what Ben Shapiro did to him,

00:02:27.280 when he was, like, a kid, right?

00:02:29.120 Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire, this giant, like, multi-million dollar company,

00:02:33.520 actively trying to destroy a kid's life for years just for asking questions.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, what on earth?

00:02:38.960 Yeah.

00:02:39.360 He's available to ask.

00:02:40.880 I was like, okay, I can see how Nick Fuentes ended up where he is.

00:02:46.960 But what's so funny is us and Nick Fuentes, and you're going to see this throughout the interview,

00:02:50.880 is it's sort of like somebody comes up to us and they're like, you need to denounce Nick Fuentes.

00:02:55.440 And I'd be like, why do I need to denounce Nick Fuentes?

00:02:57.680 Like, at one point, Ben Shapiro got him, while he was in college, put on a no-fly list,

00:03:02.080 so he couldn't even fly domestically.

00:03:03.760 Oh, that wasn't Ben Shapiro.

00:03:05.200 No, it was Ben Shapiro's organization.

00:03:07.920 Daily Wire?

00:03:08.960 Yeah, so the Daily Wire reached out to the Media Matters organization,

00:03:12.560 and then Media Matters got him banned and put on a no-fly list.

00:03:16.460 Oh, so the Daily Wire started it.

00:03:18.300 I didn't catch that.

00:03:19.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:20.440 It's pretty much all orchestrated by the Daily Wire.

00:03:22.160 Not like Ben Shapiro directly, but it seems pretty clear that he directed somebody else to do this.

00:03:25.920 Oh, wow.

00:03:26.880 Okay, that's, yeah.

00:03:28.000 I mean, tell people to fly for a year, especially as a media figure, that's crazy.

00:03:32.480 Denounce Nick Fuentes.

00:03:33.920 And I'm like, why should I denounce Nick Fuentes?

00:03:35.680 And they'd be like, well, he's an anti-Semite.

00:03:37.680 And I'd be like, well, you know, no group should really be above question.

00:03:40.640 I think it's healthy in a society like, okay, okay, that didn't work.

00:03:44.720 He wants an autocracy.

00:03:46.080 And I'm like, well, I mean, democracies do seem to be fraying at the edges right now.

00:03:51.120 And I can see that it might be worth exploring new forms of government.

00:03:55.040 And they're like, oh, okay, okay.

00:03:56.960 He wants to make America a Christian country. 0.98

00:03:59.520 And I'm like, well, I mean, I think it was sort of founded that way.

00:04:04.400 And I don't have a particular problem with it.

00:04:06.800 And they scratch their head.

00:04:08.140 And they're just like, so you're just going to let him turn America into this Catholic? 0.99

00:04:13.680 I'm like, wait, what?

00:04:15.440 Put him on a no-fly list.

00:04:19.520 Because the problems we have with the wider Nick Fuentes ideology are quite different than

00:04:25.120 the problems that a lot of other people have.

00:04:27.120 I'll note here, because I have in the past been very confused by Nick Fuentes ideology,

00:04:31.040 not understanding how he could be a Catholic integralist.

00:04:33.200 These are people who want to put the entire world under a Catholic one-world government. 0.95

00:04:38.480 And actually, he's never claimed that he is a Catholic integralist.

00:04:41.120 I couldn't find a single AI will tell you he is till you're blue in the face.

00:04:45.120 But when you ask for a specific quote or citation, I can find nothing.

00:04:50.400 Well, so do you think maybe Nick Fuentes is a Catholic integralist the same way that we

00:04:55.360 are eugenicists, which is to say-

00:04:57.360 No, no, not exactly.

00:04:59.040 Because he'll talk about stuff like integralist ingentia, like the intelligentsia of the integralist

00:05:05.280 movement, where he seems to include himself among this.

00:05:08.480 So like, well, I don't know, like we mix with people who call themselves eugenicists.

00:05:12.960 Yes, but he has never denied the term either, nor has he ever really skewered it in the way that

00:05:19.760 we have gone long into skewering eugenics.

00:05:21.760 I'm, well, but what, what, what, what are the benefits to him for doing so?

00:05:26.240 You know, no one's accusing him of it.

00:05:28.240 It's not causing him any trouble.

00:05:30.000 So why would he actively-

00:05:31.760 Yeah, the-

00:05:32.560 And people aren't actively accusing him of it.

00:05:34.320 I mean, people actively accuse us of eugenics, therefore we publicly deny because we're like,

00:05:38.480 that's not-

00:05:38.800 No, people accuse him of this all the time.

00:05:41.120 They do?

00:05:41.360 And they accuse him of it on both the right and the left.

00:05:44.720 Like there are mainstream right-wing sources that are sympathetic to him that call his position

00:05:49.200 Catholic integralism.

00:05:50.160 Oh, so he would be prompted to correct-

00:05:52.800 He would be very prompted to call them out.

00:05:54.960 Okay.

00:05:55.440 The, the real answer is, is while it's not his actual intellectual position, he identifies

00:06:02.400 with it enough that he doesn't mind being called it.

00:06:05.200 His actual position could be better defined as Catholic-

00:06:11.280 Okay, let's see, white Catholic nationalism would be the, the actual position.

00:06:17.040 An American first, white Catholic nationalism.

00:06:19.920 Okay.

00:06:20.480 And this is, and, and, and the Catholic is the largest and loudest word within this, this-

00:06:27.200 Like I said, the tone in America, but Vatican City doesn't run everything.

00:06:31.920 No, no, he hasn't thought through that far.

00:06:34.000 Oh.

00:06:34.480 So we're not getting to that yet.

00:06:35.760 So he's a Catholic American nationalist.

00:06:38.800 Okay.

00:06:39.520 Now, and he sees these two identities as completely obvious, right?

00:06:45.600 That if you're a good Christian American, you're going to be a Catholic American nationalist. 1.00

00:06:50.880 The problem is, is that this perspective appears incredibly stupid. 0.99

00:06:56.000 If you have any knowledge of American history, America was essentially founded to be an anti-Catholic 1.00

00:07:04.320 state.

00:07:04.800 If you don't believe me, and I'm going to quote here from an article, how anti-Catholicism helped

00:07:10.480 fuel the American revolution, we're going to go into the words of a Catholic cardinal.

00:07:16.000 Okay.

00:07:16.640 So this is not an anti-Catholic person saying that this was the reason America was founded.

00:07:21.760 Okay.

00:07:22.320 In 1912, the English Cardinal Gareska flatly declared that quote, the American revolution

00:07:28.960 was not a movement for civil or religious liberty.

00:07:31.520 Its principal cause was the bigoted rage of the American Puritan and Presbyterian ministers

00:07:36.720 at the concessions of full religious liberty and equality to Catholics of French Canada.

00:07:42.080 End quote.

00:07:43.360 What?

00:07:43.600 The American revolution?

00:07:45.600 The American rev...

00:07:46.800 Were you not taught this in school?

00:07:48.400 I am shocked the number of people who don't know this.

00:07:50.800 You were not taught that the American revolution was in large part an anti-Catholic revolution.

00:07:55.280 I mean, you know, we hear more about like taxation without representation and the Stamp Act

00:08:00.800 and, you know, people not liking the British government.

00:08:04.800 And I think that the school system has done a very good job of scrubbing this from history.

00:08:09.440 Well, I will say that the British... 0.99

00:08:11.760 Sorry, the American school system isn't exactly like...

00:08:15.360 I mean, we didn't go to Catholic school.

00:08:17.200 I could get like maybe a Catholic school on it to kind of like...

00:08:19.760 I think the reason is, if you're wondering why this has largely been covered up,

00:08:25.440 is American schools see the oppressed class or the class that was being rebelled against

00:08:32.640 as intrinsically the good guys, right?

00:08:36.000 And so it wants to uplift the oppressed class or the classes being rebelled against.

00:08:39.920 Now, in this case, the Catholics weren't really an oppressed class, but we'll get to that in a second.

00:08:43.360 They kind of were because they were regularly arrested in the 13 colonies for being Catholic,

00:08:46.800 which we'll also get to.

00:08:48.480 But it was only legal in two of the 13 colonies, by the way...

00:08:52.800 Catholicism as a religion?

00:08:54.400 To vote as a Catholic or run for office of the Catholic.

00:08:58.640 You weren't allowed to...

00:09:00.400 Now, hold on.

00:09:01.040 You might be thinking I am overstating...

00:09:03.040 Oh, sorry.

00:09:03.440 No, they were just like...

00:09:04.800 I thought it was more like you have to have these basic requirements set,

00:09:07.760 but not that things precluded you from being able to vote.

00:09:10.080 Like, you could vote as long as you had property and were a man.

00:09:12.800 Simone, again, the American school system has betrayed you.

00:09:17.760 The American school system has lied to you.

00:09:21.120 To put that number in context for you, free Blacks could vote in 10 of the 13 colonies,

00:09:27.040 and Jews could vote in four of the 13 colonies.

00:09:30.400 So in terms of the groups that our founding fathers were afraid of having influence in America,

00:09:37.120 Blacks, they were broadly okay with.

00:09:39.520 Jews, they were slightly trepidatious about. 1.00

00:09:42.320 And Catholics, they were terrified of. 0.91

00:09:45.920 The American school system did this because it didn't want to have people remember

00:09:51.920 that Catholics could be considered a discriminated group.

00:09:55.040 Because then they might be able to demand concessions.

00:09:56.960 Because they were taught about how Catholics were discriminated against,

00:10:00.160 especially with the big wave of Irish immigration that happened much later.

00:10:04.000 Right.

00:10:05.040 But the reason why we talk about the discrimination of the Irish wave is because it was significantly

00:10:11.680 less reactionary than it being the motive for America to become an independent nation.

00:10:18.960 And if you want to go into our founding fathers, what did they think, right, of Catholics?

00:10:23.520 Because you, oh, you can't, they couldn't have really been that anti-Catholic.

00:10:28.160 Like John Adams, this is a quote from him in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

00:10:32.560 Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion? 1.00

00:10:37.040 Another quote from John Adams, second president.

00:10:40.160 I do not like the late resurrection of the Jesuits.

00:10:43.360 If ever any congregation of men could merit eternal perdition on earth in hell, 0.84

00:10:48.080 it is the company of Loyola.

00:10:49.680 No!

00:10:50.160 Wow, what did he, what did they ever do to John Adams?

00:10:53.760 Hold on, it wasn't one guy.

00:10:56.400 They, we'll get to why the American founders were so scared of Catholics

00:11:00.800 immigrating into America in a second.

00:11:02.480 Okay, yes, please.

00:11:03.680 Let's go to Samuel Adams.

00:11:04.880 You know, I've heard of Samuel Adams, signer of the Declaration, revolutionary leader.

00:11:10.240 Beer brand.

00:11:12.000 I did verily believe that potpourri was a religion destructive to all others, end quote.

00:11:17.680 Letter to John Scully, quote, much more is to be dreaded from the gross of potpourri in America

00:11:23.840 than from the Stamp Act or any other act destructive of civil rights, end quote.

00:11:29.440 Boston Gazette, 1768.

00:11:31.320 Okay, so they also cared about the Stamp Act, okay?

00:11:34.440 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:11:36.040 Also, but like, come on, the England was a government of the Catholic Church.

00:11:40.920 Listen to his words, okay?

00:11:42.760 He cared about the Stamp Act, but what he said here was,

00:11:46.680 much more is to be dreaded from the gross of potpourri in America

00:11:51.400 than from any of these other acts that you were taught about.

00:11:55.320 So just let me, let me be clear about this.

00:11:57.000 Yes.

00:11:57.640 They were uncomfortable with the fact that the British government, which itself is independent

00:12:02.680 from the Catholic Church, simply allowed for religious freedom, including that of Catholics.

00:12:08.280 In Canada.

00:12:09.080 Yes.

00:12:10.280 Yes.

00:12:10.360 In Canada.

00:12:10.920 Yes.

00:12:11.800 Which it also governed.

00:12:12.520 Yes.

00:12:12.920 Specifically.

00:12:13.560 One of the things that led to this, and we'll get to it in a bit, was the legalization of Catholicism

00:12:18.520 as a religion and giving them equal rights to other people.

00:12:21.160 The, the, the, the, the, the, literally, I kid you not, the founding fathers would be more terrified 0.66

00:12:28.840 that there have been a Catholic president than a black president.

00:12:34.360 No, because they saw black people and slavery as like often this like more complicated institution

00:12:39.560 that needed to eventually be addressed.

00:12:40.920 Yes.

00:12:41.320 They saw Catholicism as antithetical to everything that they viewed.

00:12:46.600 They probably would have seen like a black presidency as being inevitable, given the number 1.00

00:12:50.600 of men who have kids with black women in even the early American days.

00:12:56.760 So yeah, they'd be like, well, of course, I mean, we're producing a lot of Americans.

00:13:00.600 And for another one here, Samuel Adams told a group of Mohawk Indians that the law, referring

00:13:05.640 to the Quebec law, to establish the religion of the Pope in Canada would mean that, quote,

00:13:11.960 some of your children may be induced instead of worshiping the, the only true God to pay 0.95

00:13:18.760 his dues to images made with their own hands, end quote.

00:13:23.160 Okay.

00:13:23.480 Now people are like, well, you know, I, I'm, I'm a Thomas Jefferson guy myself.

00:13:27.720 So even if these other guys hold on, okay.

00:13:33.560 History, I believe furnishes no example of a priest ridden people maintaining a free civil 1.00

00:13:38.520 government.

00:13:39.400 And then in another quote from him in every country and every age, the priest has been

00:13:43.080 hostile to liberty.

00:13:44.440 They have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon. 0.91

00:13:50.280 And now note here, a lot of like atheists have taken these to try to mean like he was talking

00:13:54.280 about all religion.

00:13:55.400 But if you look at the second quote here, it's very clear that he's using priest as euphemous

00:13:59.160 for the Catholic priesthood, because he's talking about it being perverted into mystery

00:14:02.680 and jargon.

00:14:03.400 And then he said the purest religion ever inciting that the religion is accurate. 0.94

00:14:07.960 It's Catholicism, which has corrupted it. 0.99

00:14:09.800 Right.

00:14:11.320 What I find really interesting about Nick Fuentes's positions is that they were so accurately

00:14:17.400 predicted by the founding fathers.

00:14:19.880 The founding father said, this is why Catholicism is going to have some trouble integrating with

00:14:26.600 an American identity, because it will lead people to want a more autocratic state, to

00:14:32.200 want to restrict the freedoms of the citizens, which are both things Nick Fuentes desires.

00:14:37.640 But through desiring them, what he shows is there is nothing American nationalist about

00:14:44.280 his position.

00:14:45.560 It is a position that is in many ways antithetical to any form of American identity that we had

00:14:52.760 within our history.

00:14:53.720 And this is why it's so important to bring this up.

00:14:56.360 He's trying to reflect, like, let's go back to a better, purer America, when the America of

00:15:02.760 history would have seen itself as being able to purify and being able to have freedom and

00:15:08.920 liberty, specifically because of the absence of people with Nick Fuentes's cultural background.

00:15:15.640 And they would say to him, why don't you go move to a country, because there are many Catholic 1.00

00:15:19.800 majority countries, that align with your values.

00:15:23.240 And I'm noting here, not all Catholics have these values.

00:15:26.760 But there is a reason why these values in the eyes of the American founding fathers and in the eyes

00:15:33.400 of Catholics like Nick Fuentes are correlated, specifically Catholicism and autocracy and a 0.96

00:15:38.440 restriction of individual freedoms.

00:15:40.040 And where I might even agree with Nick Fuentes is that if America was a Catholic state, because 0.69

00:15:47.320 when I look at Catholic democracies, they don't seem to work very well.

00:15:50.840 They have really high amounts of corruption.

00:15:52.840 They have really high amounts of poverty compared to Protestant democracies. 0.58

00:15:56.840 I have to say, maybe Catholicism actually isn't compatible with democracy in the way that many

00:16:03.240 people assumed it was.

00:16:04.680 And maybe other forms of government should be experimented with within Catholic majority populations.

00:16:11.800 The problem is that is both not America and antithetical to America's founding principles

00:16:18.200 and the principles America has had since its foundation.

00:16:21.000 And note here, I don't mean that the way a progressive means it when they say it.

00:16:25.240 When a progressive means, well, it's against America was founded to be a country of diverse

00:16:30.840 individuals and a country where anyone could come.

00:16:33.800 And I'm like, no, no, no, no.

00:16:35.560 America was founded with the understanding that if you got too diverse of a cultural perspective

00:16:41.240 within the country, people from cultural backgrounds and from environmental backgrounds that are more

00:16:47.880 prone to autocratic structures are more prone to wanting to restrict individual freedoms would

00:16:53.240 begin to implement those policies within this country.

00:16:57.000 I'm coming at it from literally the antithetical perspective saying America was founded to be

00:17:02.360 an exclusive and not an inclusive society.

00:17:06.280 And the type of person it was founded to exclude most is individuals like Nick Fuentes.

00:17:12.840 But what's cool about this is as we go through what our founding fathers thought of Catholics and

00:17:19.400 Catholics who might believe they have a mandate to impose their religious rules and structure 0.54

00:17:25.400 on other people through the legal system of the state.

00:17:29.960 We can see what they would have thought of Muslims, for example, in immigrating into the country who

00:17:35.960 believed they had a theological motivation to implement Sharia law within any location or really any non-Protestant

00:17:43.480 religious group, which is, of course, offensive. 0.50

00:17:46.840 And in a weird way, an alignment with Nick Fuentes' ideology.

00:17:51.080 It's just that he tries to rewrite it as a Christian country founded to keep out non-Christian values

00:17:57.400 when it was really more of an anti-Catholic country founded to keep out high church values.

00:18:03.320 And note here, this is not me like being an anti-Catholic or something like that.

00:18:07.080 This is me stating historical facts, i.e. the motivation of various founding fathers,

00:18:14.600 combined with a literal cardinal saying, yes, these are accurate historical facts.

00:18:23.240 And I would note here if you want to be like, well, this was only way back when America was founded.

00:18:27.320 That certainly wasn't a property or a belief that carried through American history.

00:18:31.720 I'd point out to you that if you go to just like the 1940s and you're looking at what the KKK was up 0.75

00:18:37.960 to, or I think they also had a flare up in the 1960s, their core enemies were Catholics, Blacks, 0.96

00:18:44.360 and Jews, often in that order. If Nick Fuentes wants to bring back it being okay to be racist and 0.70

00:18:49.800 anti-Semitic, then the third and integral part of that sort of roundup of okayness is having an

00:18:56.360 anti-Catholic sentiment. Being racist and anti-Semitic in the US always went hand in hand with being

00:19:01.640 anti-Catholic. He's rovespeering it here, basically saying we need to normalize kicking out

00:19:08.280 all the un-American minorities, not realizing he is one of the un-American minorities. 0.97

00:19:13.880 Nick Fuentes might not have realized the can that he just popped open.

00:19:20.920 Once you pop, the fun don't stop.

00:19:23.640 People don't know that this is the other stuff he's saying on his own platform.

00:19:33.080 Rotoclip. Hey, I'm a stone-cold white nationalist, and I love Hitler, and I don't want Indians here, 1.00

00:19:40.840 and I'm not a Democrat, okay? And I'm not woke, and I'm not liberal. 0.94

00:19:46.280 All right. And let me preface it, too, because I don't want nobody saying,

00:19:50.680 Brennan, you took that context. I watched the entire video. He goes on the-

00:19:53.880 It's like nobody warned him that if you normalize the dishes, Jews, and blacks, 1.00

00:20:01.480 the next dish on the menu is Catholics. He's up next. 0.99

00:20:06.280 Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys.

00:20:09.720 And then you might be like, okay, okay, okay. Alexander Hamilton. And so here I'm reading

00:20:15.400 again from a piece on this. Alexander Hamilton decried the Quebec Act as a diabolical threat.

00:20:22.040 Quote, does not your blood run cold to think of the English Parliament should pass an act

00:20:27.080 for the establishment of arbitrary power and potpourri in such an extensive country?

00:20:32.440 Your loves, your property, your religion are all at stake. And this gets me because you will often

00:20:38.680 see Nick Fuentes within the interview that he did and within stuff as he will say,

00:20:43.400 America was founded as a Christian country. And there was a little slight of hand and be like, 0.66

00:20:49.400 and Catholicism is the only real form of Christianity. Therefore, America was founded as a Catholic

00:20:53.960 country. And this, I think, is something he's doing because he expects his audience to not have

00:20:59.400 education on the actual motivations behind the founding of America. And I will note-

00:21:05.640 he may be ignorant of it himself. Yeah, he may be ignorant of it himself. And note here, 0.97

00:21:11.080 I'm not saying that Catholicism was the only reason. I'm just saying that there is a cardinal

00:21:17.160 who says it was a bigger reason than taxation without representation. And I think most people

00:21:22.760 who take an honest look at history would be like, it was probably at least equal into some of the

00:21:30.360 founding fathers a bigger issue. And we need to get to why it was a bigger issue. But here,

00:21:34.520 now you might be saying like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Surely there were Catholics living in America

00:21:40.280 at the time of the revolution. The answer is not really. There was 1.6% of the population might

00:21:46.840 have been Catholic. And you're like, what about Maryland, the Catholic colony? And it's like,

00:21:51.000 actually, Maryland had periods where it arrested people for being Catholic, which we will go over.

00:21:56.040 And only 15% of the population of Maryland was Catholic, despite being originally founded as a

00:22:02.440 Catholic safe haven. So to go on here, only three of the 13 colonies allowed Catholics to vote. 0.70

00:22:09.000 All New England colonies except Rhode Island and the Carolinas prohibited Catholics from holding office.

00:22:13.880 Virginia would have have priests arrested for entering the colony. Catholic schools were banned

00:22:19.400 in all states except Pennsylvania. America was basically founded where people from all over the world

00:22:26.040 came together and agreed on one thing. We really don't want to live in a country with Catholics. 1.00

00:22:31.480 Won't it be nice to get to America where we don't have to worry about Catholic anymore? 1.00

00:22:38.280 There are no Catholics in America, but back home in Mother Russia. 1.00

00:22:43.720 But there are no Catholics in America, and the streets are paved with cheese. 0.99

00:22:53.800 Oh, there are no Catholics in America, so set your mind at ease. 1.00

00:23:00.360 You think things were bad in Russia? You should see things in my country.

00:23:11.720 Yeah. During the lead-up to the revolution, rebels seeking to stoke hatred of Great Britain

00:23:17.000 routinely equated the practices of the Church of England with that of the Catholic Church.

00:23:20.840 In the late 1760s and 1770s, colonists celebrated anti-Pope days, an anti-Catholic festival derived

00:23:28.440 from English Guy Fawkes Day, named after a Catholic who attempted to assassinate King James I.

00:23:33.320 Quote, orations, cartoons, and public hangings of effigies depicted royal ministers,

00:23:38.200 as in league alternately with the Pope and the devil, writes historian Ruth Bloch.

00:23:43.880 So again, the point I'm making here is that if anyone tells you America was founded as a

00:23:49.240 Christian country, and they're including Catholics in that mix, they are lying to you, 1.00

00:23:55.400 or do not understand American history, or the seed of American identity. Now, this is not to say that

00:24:01.000 you cannot be a full American and a Catholic today. America has changed what it means to be 0.64

00:24:06.440 American. You know, we used to have slavery back then and everything. But I also feel like Catholicism

00:24:11.320 is quite different today. And we've talked about this in other episodes where some of the leading

00:24:15.400 Catholic figures are not like Nick Fuentes, because he was raised Catholic, but instead are converts

00:24:20.280 into the religion. And also, they're just, I don't know, they're much more pluralistic. And I don't

00:24:25.240 think they are practicing a domineering version of Catholicism where everyone needs to be.

00:24:30.600 We will get your thoughts on this in a second. I agree with some of what you say. I don't agree

00:24:34.440 with some of what you say. But let's continue as the history lesson. Okay? Okay. Yeah.

00:24:38.040 Because it's clear that you were never taught this stuff. No, I really wasn't.

00:24:41.800 And for me, I always just like, when I heard this stuff in the past, it really confused me.

00:24:48.760 It's sort of Catholic American nationalism. Like when I heard this, I was like, surely there must

00:24:55.080 be caveats to this. They don't actually think America was founded as a Catholic country, do they?

00:25:01.240 And I think going into this can help be like, this is an identity you can have. You can be a Catholic

00:25:06.520 American nationalist, but there are things that you have to grapple with to adopt this identity.

00:25:12.280 And, you know, if you really want to be a Catholic nationalist, you might be better off

00:25:17.960 immigrating to a Catholic majority country, which there are lots of. And we'll talk about

00:25:23.240 why the founding fathers. The founding fathers were not afraid of Catholicism for no reason. There

00:25:27.720 actually are some theological reasons for this. Really? Okay.

00:25:32.520 That make even in moderate Catholics, it can cause some conflict with American core values. And I think 0.94

00:25:39.960 even today, everyone would argue our American core values. Even, even Nick Fuentes would argue our

00:25:44.680 American core values. He just hasn't thought through where Catholic theology might have a problem with

00:25:49.320 these values. I mean, he literally probably has. This is the thing that I don't get.

00:25:53.080 He, throughout the entire interview, he's talking about how like Jews are loyal to like a separate 0.84

00:25:58.600 state that is like antagonistic to us. And I'm like, Nick, like on every issue that you say is

00:26:04.680 important to like America, like the immigration campaign that we're doing and stuff like that,

00:26:09.800 the, the, the Vatican has spoken against it, right? Like, this is an organization that is actively

00:26:16.120 opposed to most, they even did a whole most interesting points. Yeah.

00:26:20.760 Yeah. Announcement that we'll get to that seemed directly targeted at Nick Fuentes,

00:26:25.400 basically saying, stop doing this stuff. So it's, it's, it's, it's, I think his form of

00:26:30.520 Catholicism works because he's not, he doesn't actually care. And this is true of a lot of our 0.93

00:26:34.840 fans. And I think a lot of the, the American Catholic nationalists, they don't actually care

00:26:39.160 about the Pope. They don't actually care about service to the central Vatican bureaucracy. But

00:26:44.840 unfortunately that kind of makes them Protestants who are calling themselves Catholics,

00:26:50.200 which they're like, we'll call ourselves Catholics until the church works itself out again. But we'll

00:26:54.840 talk about this in a second. Okay. Okay. I'm going back to reading from an article here. It was one

00:26:59.080 I mentioned earlier. Roger Sherman and other members of the Continental Congress wanted to

00:27:03.400 prohibit Catholics from serving in the Continental Army. In 1774, parliament passed the Quebec Act,

00:27:08.840 taking the enlightened position that the Catholic church could remain the official church of

00:27:13.560 Quebec. This appalled and terrified many colonists who assumed this to be a British attempt to

00:27:18.840 subjugate them religiously. And by allowing the loathsome Catholics to expand into the colonies, 1.00

00:27:23.480 colonial newspapers railed against the Popish threat. The Pennsylvania Gazette said the legislation 0.97

00:27:29.480 would now allow, quote, these dogs of hell, in quote, to quote, erect their heads and triumph 0.97

00:27:36.600 within our borders, in quote. Goodness gracious. 0.98

00:27:40.120 Quite a bit stronger than Nick Fuentes' words on immigration today.

00:27:44.520 A little bit.

00:27:46.360 The Boston Evening Post reported that the step was, quote, for the execution of this hellish plan,

00:27:52.520 in quote, to organize 4,000 Canadian Catholics for an attack on America. In Rhode Island,

00:27:59.320 every single issue of the Newport Mercury from October 2nd, 1774 to March 20th, 1775 contained,

00:28:08.200 quote, at least one insidious reference to the Catholic religion of the Canadians,

00:28:14.040 in quote, according to the historian Charles Metzger. They couldn't write a single paper.

00:28:20.600 This is like mainstream. You're getting Fox News of this era. Literally, every newscast is starting with

00:28:27.960 a, those king Catholics. But what I mean is if you weren't taught this, right, you are unaware

00:28:36.600 of how important this was to the mindset of the American revolutionary and of the founding fathers

00:28:43.880 of this country. And this, this becomes important. We haven't gotten to like where this matter is

00:28:48.120 with all of his Jew stuff, but it will actually be very germane in just a second. Okay. Okay.

00:28:52.520 In New York, a group marched to the financial exchange, carrying a huge flag inscribed,

00:28:57.640 George III Rex, and the liberties of America, no potpourri. Later that day, a pamphlet that had

00:29:04.520 been distributed urging tolerance towards the Catholics of Canada was smeared with tar and

00:29:09.160 feathers and nailed to the pillory. So let's go into a bit of the history of what it was like to be a

00:29:14.360 Catholic in the American colonies, right? Like, surely these were places of religious freedom.

00:29:20.520 Maryland, founded as a Catholic refugee camp, right? You know, what, what, what is this, this,

00:29:26.840 the Catholic colony? They always say that to make you think that it was like, well, you know,

00:29:31.880 in Massachusetts, they might have been anti-Catholic, but in Maryland is where the Catholics were. And,

00:29:36.760 you know, there was like a place for everyone in the United States. There was a place for Quakers,

00:29:40.680 there was a place for Catholics, there was a place for Protestants, there was a place where Protestants got 0.98

00:29:44.840 kicked out by other Protestants, etc. Actually, what happened was there was a Puritan

00:29:49.560 revolt between 1644 and 1646, after which Catholics were stripped of all rights, or sorry, of a number

00:29:56.920 of rights. In 1689, Protestant associations revolution, Catholic governor and officials were arrested,

00:30:03.320 public Catholic worship was banned until 1776. So in the Catholic state, public Catholic worship

00:30:11.720 would get you arrested. Gosh, okay. Just making, like, I want to be clear about that

00:30:20.120 scale here, people. Massachusetts Bay and New England, 1647. Massachusetts banned Jesuit priests,

00:30:27.480 violators, faced imprisonment, whipping, or banishment. 1650s. Two Catholic traders in Boston were briefly

00:30:33.800 jailed and expelled for possessing rosaries and statues. They were jailed not for praying, not for anything

00:30:41.000 else, for possessing rosaries and statues of Christ. Oh, the nerve. Or it might have been Mary. 0.81

00:30:47.000 Well, that's idolatry. It is about, yeah. Root it out. I think we, we need to go back to these laws.

00:30:53.320 We have been too soft on idolatry. I'm joking, of course. I don't think that we should arrest

00:30:57.880 everyone who practices idolatry. I'm joking again. Of course, they don't see it as idolatry.

00:31:05.000 So when Proto-America did have laws on the book about restricting religious freedoms and stuff like

00:31:11.320 that, based on their interpretation of the Bible, and Nick is like, well, we need to go back to that.

00:31:17.240 These were laws that would get you arrested for having a rosary or having iconography of Christ,

00:31:24.360 right? These were laws that were specifically meant to target individuals like Nick. He is actually

00:31:32.200 protected. And Catholics are actually protected by the direction America has gone to not have these 0.98

00:31:39.880 type of laws on the book anymore, to not have laws enforcing religious or ideological doctrine.

00:31:47.240 So if we actually ask the questions that Nick claims to ask, but ask them with this historical

00:31:52.920 context in mind, the question we're really asking is, should we go back to a country that arrests people

00:31:59.800 for having any sort of statuette of a god, any sort of picture of a god in in their car or in their

00:32:07.800 house? And when I ask this question, I have to say, I mean, maybe crime rates would go down.

00:32:15.560 Maybe we would have a more stable democracy. But those are the types of questions that Nick

00:32:20.200 Fuentes at least wants being aired. I mean, you know us, we've gone back to saying I think that the

00:32:24.920 Cronwell laws have merit to them, outlawing music and dancing and theater and certainly

00:32:33.240 any iconography that would be religious in nature. But I just don't think that those work in a modern

00:32:38.920 context for many side reasons. However, I think the spirit of these sorts of laws is something I can

00:32:46.520 get behind. It's just not what Nick would want. And I can only imagine some of our followers here,

00:32:52.920 again, who may not have a good historical knowledge might be like, Malcolm, Malcolm,

00:32:56.520 Malcolm, come on, you and Simone aren't even real Christians. You follow some weird version 0.99

00:33:01.480 of Christianity that tries to harmonize Calvinist Protestantism with the latest scientific developments

00:33:08.200 and understanding. The founding fathers had no form of Christianity like that in mind.

00:33:14.120 Meanwhile, a historian who's watching them and shares their sentiment is rapidly signaling the

00:33:20.040 cut the mic, cut the mic. Because if you're aware of what the founding fathers actually believed,

00:33:24.920 you would be aware that it was exactly that. And if it had been allowed to develop, it likely would

00:33:31.400 have developed in our direction rather than having the early Puritan communities be replaced by Catholic

00:33:38.120 communities through waves of immigrants. But anyway, New York. Okay, New York, right? The city of all types.

00:33:45.080 So in 1700 anti-priest law, Catholic priests faced life imprisonment if caught. At least one,

00:33:52.200 Father John Ury was executed in 1741. Now, I denote here that the reason he was executed was because

00:33:59.400 he played part in fighting a slave revolt. Okay, I mean, yeah. But if you look at the historical

00:34:05.000 documents, most of the panic around it was the fact that he was Catholic. Okay, that's not the slaves,

00:34:11.080 since the Catholicism. Yeah, that was a bigger issue. This was also true. I will put on screen 0.97

00:34:16.200 here this image because it was a popular image of the time period. The silversmiths and engraver

00:34:20.760 Paul Revere created a cartoon for the Royal American magazine called the Mitred Minute. It depicted

00:34:27.240 four contented-looking Mitred Anglican bishops dancing in minette around a copy of the Quebec Act

00:34:33.240 to show the, quote, aberration incontinence of the Roman religion, end quote. Standing nearby are the 0.91

00:34:39.720 author of the Quebec Act, with a devil with bat ears and spiky wings hovering behind them,

00:34:44.840 whispering instructions. And you can see another thing here, which I think is kind of funny from

00:34:50.600 a modern context. Okay. The British were not even Catholic, but they were angling it, which spelled 0.97

00:34:58.280 kind of like Catholic to the colonists. Oh, it's still too Catholic-derived. Too Catholic-derived. 0.83

00:35:04.840 Too many, too high church. It wasn't just, and this is actually like a very important point.

00:35:10.120 The American colonies were not specifically anti-Catholic. They were anti-high church.

00:35:17.160 America was founded as a state, as an anti-high church state. All high church religions that now 1.00

00:35:25.960 reside within America, whether it's Anglicanism or Catholicism or anything like that, would have

00:35:31.160 mortified many of the founding fathers and do require some degree, if you come from one of these

00:35:39.240 traditions, of understanding how you reckon with the motive for the foundation of America and

00:35:47.160 America's evolution, just as, you know, I think a black person should not, you know, you need to take 1.00

00:35:54.520 it to account. Like America did have slavery. Like this was a bad thing that we did. This wasn't just like

00:35:59.880 with Catholics. It wasn't just like the Irish thing, right? It wasn't just anti-Irish. It wasn't

00:36:04.280 just anti-Italian. It goes to the very genesis of the country. And I'll put another political ad

00:36:12.040 here, which is a Romanism. And it's like all of the tendrils, corruption, ignorance, tyranny, 1.00

00:36:17.400 superstition. Wow. Romanism is a monster with arms of satanic power and strength. Romanism. 0.96

00:36:24.120 Crushing to the very ends of the earth. The arm of superstition, crushing the American child. 0.97

00:36:29.400 That of subversion, crushing the American flag. So I'm not going to go through the whole thing.

00:36:35.320 Goodness gracious. This is just, I mean, yeah, no one, no one's really sharing this,

00:36:41.720 this stuff. Yeah. And so today Catholics make up about 20.8% of the U.S. population.

00:36:46.920 That's a lot. That's a lot. You can see our episode, the great replacement already happened,

00:36:52.120 but it basically did. The Puritan faction of America was essentially replaced with the Catholic

00:36:56.520 faction, which had very different voting behavior and was much more progressive up until recently.

00:37:01.240 Recently, Catholics flipped and overall Catholics vote conservative now, but up until now,

00:37:04.840 Catholics were largely a progressive voting bloc and were sort of central to the progressive

00:37:09.400 coalition. Keep in mind because they were kind of a minority community that had a lot of

00:37:13.640 discrimination against them. And when RFK won the nomination, everyone was freaking out because they

00:37:18.760 said he'd be loyal to the church. But why the 20% is important to know is you have Nick Fuentes here,

00:37:27.400 guy who comes out and says, Jews are a secret cabal that controls, you know, the U.S. government

00:37:35.160 and industry, various aspects and branches of it. Right. And we're going to go into the receipts that he

00:37:40.920 has on this. Jews do have disproportionate positions of power across both government and industry.

00:37:47.800 And he says that they used nepotism to achieve this and secret organizations to achieve this.

00:37:54.600 Here's the problem. The United States is split into three branches of government.

00:38:03.240 Okay. If you are an outsider and you're not familiar with this, this is to prevent one branch of 0.93

00:38:10.440 government from ever gaining control. Well, what if I told you that a shadowy religion 0.99

00:38:16.040 and organization had taken control, complete control of one third of the United States government?

00:38:27.000 One of these three branches. Let's go in to the Supreme Court justices right now. Okay.

00:38:39.800 John J. Roberts Jr. Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Clarence Thomas.

00:38:47.960 Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Samuel A. Alito Jr. Was he raised a Catholic?

00:38:55.720 Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Remember that 20% there that's at the American Catholic population?

00:39:03.240 Sonia Sotomayor. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes. Is she still a Catholic? Yes.

00:39:08.760 Brett Kavanaugh. Raised a Catholic? Yes. Still a Catholic? Yes.

00:39:14.200 Amy Coney Barrett. Raised a Catholic? Yes. Still a Catholic? Yes.

00:39:18.760 Okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Now we're going to get to the...

00:39:22.760 What about the J-O-O's, Malcolm? They're there too.

00:39:26.440 Four and only four non-Catholics. Okay. 0.99

00:39:30.280 Amy Coney Barrett. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes.

00:39:33.240 Is she still a Catholic? No. Oh, sorry, not Kate and Amy Coney.

00:39:37.080 Neil Gorsuch was raised a Catholic, but now he's an Episcopal.

00:39:40.680 Ellen Kagan is Jewish. And Ketogen Brown Jackson is Protestant.

00:39:46.440 Now, I note here was this addition of the Protestant person onto the Supreme Court.

00:39:50.840 That's a pretty big deal, because that's the dominant religion in America. 0.95

00:39:54.440 And the last Supreme Court before she was added didn't have a single Protestant on it.

00:40:02.040 I thought we had more people with Jewish backgrounds on the Supreme Court.

00:40:04.760 It had one extra Jew. So it was two Jews, and then everyone else was born into a Catholic family, 0.71

00:40:10.440 with one of them being an Episcopal.

00:40:13.480 Oh, was RBG, she was Jewish, or had Jewish background?

00:40:16.760 Yeah, so Ellen Kagan and Stephen G. Breyer were the last ones, but yeah.

00:40:21.000 But then Ruth Bader Ginsburg is controlled. If the Catholics decided to vote in a block, 0.56

00:40:28.360 they could control the entire way our state determines, like the United States determines

00:40:34.600 and interacts with laws, right? That's a big deal. And you could say, well, that's just because Catholics 1.00

00:40:41.480 are disproportionately in the legal profession. It's not as if there is a secret, oh God, there

00:40:46.920 is a secret organization that explicitly put them into this position.

00:40:51.800 It's not secret.

00:40:53.960 So let's talk about the Federalist Society.

00:40:56.760 But it's not secret. It's fine. It's out there. It's doing its thing. It's very public about what it

00:41:03.000 does.

00:41:03.480 Yeah, so the Federalist Society is an organization that is run by Catholics. Now, they'd say that 0.76

00:41:14.040 that's not their motivation, but when you look at the people who they get appointed into judge

00:41:18.040 positions, they are disproportionately Catholics. And you might say, well, that's because Catholics 0.94

00:41:21.880 are disproportionately conservative, which is also not true. As I pointed out, historically Catholics

00:41:26.040 were not overwhelmingly majority. So you had a conservative organization that had a lot of Catholics

00:41:30.840 was in it. So let's look at all of these Catholic people who were appointed. John J. Roberts,

00:41:36.360 was he, does he have Federalist Society ties? Yes. Former steering committee member. Clarence Thomas?

00:41:42.040 Yes. Longtime member. Samuel Alito? Yes. Active member. Sonia Sotomayor? No. I think the only one who

00:41:48.040 wasn't. Brett Kavanaugh? Yes. 24 years frequent speaker. Neil Gorsuch? Yes. Member, convention speaker.

00:41:55.160 Amy Coney Barrett? Yes. Affiliate.

00:41:58.440 All of these Catholics who are in the Supreme Court were put there by a giant invitation,

00:42:04.920 I think it's an invitation only society that does have closed doors meetings. So it's what you would

00:42:08.920 call a secret society that took control of one of our branches of government, which matters a lot

00:42:15.720 when you consider this in the context of America being founded as an anti high church country.

00:42:23.640 Right? Because it is sort of like an active and intentional displacement. Now, am I okay with this?

00:42:33.960 Actually, yes, I'm totally okay with this. I'm okay with it for the same reason I'm okay with Jews 1.00

00:42:37.960 favoring in group stuff. The point being is I think that we all have the right to favor our in groups,

00:42:43.960 and it's important to investigate how in group favoritism is working and who is actually a better

00:42:50.520 ally given your values and your long-term goals for America's future. But I think to just throw out

00:42:58.280 there, Jews have taken control of things and used invitation only organizations to do this is a bit 0.89

00:43:05.560 calling the kettle black because Jews control nothing as powerful as the Supreme Court. Just for context

00:43:12.600 here. Now to continue. And you bet your bottom effing dollar if the Jews did control the Supreme Court, 1.00

00:43:19.400 people would be freaking the F out. And why am I okay with Catholics controlling the Supreme Court? 1.00

00:43:24.520 Because the Catholics largely speaking, other than Fuentes, uphold sort of their side of the right 0.68

00:43:30.040 alliance, which is to say, I understand that my values are different from the values of your average

00:43:35.480 right wing individual in America, and therefore I won't impose them on people so we can work together in

00:43:39.800 a coalition, which is something I know. I know that all of my values aren't held by all right-wing

00:43:43.880 people, so I do not attempt to impose those values. I try to work where our values overlap,

00:43:47.880 like restricting the age at which you can get an abortion, for example, right? I think that's a good 1.00

00:43:54.840 thing. We agree on that. Let's work on that. Restricting government censorship, making governments

00:43:59.640 smaller, removing government corruption, removing alphabet soup stuff, right?

00:44:02.520 Yeah. Okay. Now, then Nick goes into all of the money we give the Jews, which normally is about 0.89

00:44:10.040 3.8 billion in aid to Israel in a given year. Oh, all of this enormous money we give to the Jews. 0.72

00:44:17.560 Do you know how many, on average, we give to Catholic majority countries every year?

00:44:23.800 Oh. 3.2 billion, about what we give to Israel every year.

00:44:29.560 Well, but that's spread across a bunch of Catholics. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's not, 1.00

00:44:33.960 actually. Most of it's in the Caribbean. But here's where it gets spicy. The money that we give

00:44:40.040 the Jews, the 3.8 billion, almost all of it has to be spent on American goods, i.e. American weapons,

00:44:49.160 American business. It's basically just coming right back to the United States. The 3.2 billion we give to

00:44:54.680 Catholic majority countries, that stays in those countries. Really? That does not have to come back

00:44:59.880 to the United States. Oh, interesting.

00:45:01.080 So at the end of the day, America is losing way more money on Catholic majority countries

00:45:07.560 than we are losing on Jewish majority countries. Wow. That's a very, you, you pose interesting 1.00

00:45:13.480 questions when you, when you look at these things. I really appreciate that you do this.

00:45:16.520 I will note that last year we did up the Israel amount to 14.3 billion, but this is still like,

00:45:21.400 not a lot when you consider it against things like the amount we're giving to Ukraine and stuff like

00:45:24.840 that. To word it another way, we have to pay 60 to $70 billion annually for many years to deal with

00:45:32.040 the situation in the Ukraine. With Israel, it was a one-time additional payment of 14.3 billion.

00:45:37.720 And this is the thing when he's like, oh, Israel is just a liability. I'm like,

00:45:41.560 Israel fights their own effing wars. They're not a liability. Ukraine was a liability, right? I've seen

00:45:47.640 in real time what a country that's a liability looks like. You know, Israel, you know, ends its 0.97

00:45:52.600 wars and wins its wars. And all it needs is a one-year payment. We only increased the amount

00:45:59.480 we were giving them for one year. And this year, the amount that we sent them was only 500 million

00:46:03.960 more than normal, which just isn't that much when you contrast it to these other numbers.

00:46:07.720 So they're not as much of a liability as you would pretend they are.

00:46:12.120 Now I'm going to go into the next part, because I think that this is sort of the core of this.

00:46:15.640 And this gets to the point that you're talking about with, you know, a lot of our fans who are

00:46:19.320 Catholics, our Nick Fuentes, may not see himself as fundamentally subservient to the Vatican,

00:46:26.200 or as like an agent was in America trying to turn America into a vassal state of the Vatican.

00:46:30.760 Or they're just at least where they are focused is on building strong Catholic communities in

00:46:35.720 the United States. And it's not...

00:46:37.560 Right. And I, look, we support my number one top candidate for the leader of my party in the

00:46:44.120 next election cycle is a Catholic.

00:46:46.360 Yeah, J.D. Vance. Absolutely. Yeah.

00:46:48.920 I am all in on J.D. Vance. But my point, so I'm not like anti-Catholic or something like that,

00:46:54.280 or it's not that I, but I think that there are things that we need to sort of talk about as a

00:47:00.760 wider movement. Okay. So Catholicism is both a religion and a governance

00:47:07.240 system. One with its own country, mind you. If you say I'm Catholic only in a religious sense,

00:47:15.240 but I reject the governance system, i.e. I reject the Pope and the Cardinals and apostolic succession,

00:47:22.840 okay. You are in fact just like claiming to be a Catholic while definitionally not being a Catholic.

00:47:31.640 I don't know because also I feel like these, the Catholics that we know who also aren't very

00:47:39.080 Vatican oriented, who are much more grassroots oriented, represent the future of Catholicism.

00:47:44.680 I think they, I think if you look at what's happening in the Vatican, you look at, we have

00:47:51.080 not seen a shift more conservative with this Pope, which a lot of people have heard before.

00:47:54.200 No, we have not. No. But I just see that as, as, as an additional level of, of divorce from this

00:47:59.080 level. Remember during the revolution, the, the, the, the groups that they were afraid of,

00:48:04.200 the groups that they were mad about was, was two groups, the Anglicans and the Catholics. Okay.

00:48:08.440 Yeah. So you might not know this, but over the past few weeks, the Anglican church has split into

00:48:13.720 two churches. I didn't notice until you told me this morning, this is insane. Yeah. Why did it

00:48:18.680 split into two churches? It's split into two churches because the next version of what for them

00:48:22.520 is essentially their Pope is going to be a woman. And a lot of the churches didn't like that.

00:48:28.680 And the reality is, is what it looks to an outsider is happening with Catholicism is the actual

00:48:37.800 central structure of the church is moving further and further captured by the urban monoculture.

00:48:44.600 And a lot of the on the ground Catholics just sort of believe God will guide it back to where it 0.99

00:48:50.280 originally was and where it needs to be in alignment with scripture. Right. And a lot of Anglicans thought

00:48:55.320 that was going to happen with their religion as well. But the point I'm making here is even if you take

00:49:01.640 this position, definitionally, you're either, you know, like pseudo admitting to yourself that you're

00:49:07.960 not actually a Catholic, right? Like that you have separated from the apostolic succession,

00:49:12.440 from the Vatican, from the bureaucracy, or you're sort of like an absentia Catholic in Catholic

00:49:20.440 community, waiting for the Vatican to become sane again. And this is what I would call sort of a soft

00:49:25.800 secessionist, right? Like that's what I think we have mostly and in the in the strongest Catholic

00:49:31.320 communities in the United States. Yes, yes. Like they're leveraging the resources that they get

00:49:36.440 from their parishes and their local bishops and even from higher levels. But they also are like,

00:49:42.360 yeah, we're yeah, but Simone, this this matters as I'm going to begin to lay out the rest of this,

00:49:48.360 right? Because it actually really matters if you think about where the party is going to go,

00:49:52.600 where the conservative alliance goes, and where cultural alliances between groups like this,

00:49:57.320 and groups like us, you know, where the schismatics and the and because they don't see themselves as

00:50:02.760 schismatic, but they're they really are kind of soft schismatics. And I'm going to continue here.

00:50:08.440 So I'm gonna be honest here, I think a lot of our followers who are Catholic, and even Nick,

00:50:13.000 fall into this category. But what I mean, if you are a real Catholic, and follow the logic of that

00:50:19.000 theology, is it the logical conclusion? And this is this is very important. So suppose you are an

00:50:24.200 actual Catholic, like you follow the actual doctrine. And I don't mean like one branch,

00:50:27.960 I mean, literally any mainstream branch of Catholics, they hold on to this belief that the goal

00:50:33.960 is to one day convert everyone on Earth, or not everyone, but hopefully the majority of people on

00:50:39.960 Earth into Catholics make every country a Catholic majority country, I'm sure Nick would say that is 1.00

00:50:45.240 the long term goal. And then by extension, every country is subordinate to, because presumably,

00:50:53.800 the Vatican sorts itself out, it shakes off all of this liberalism, it becomes the way it's supposed

00:50:58.680 to be again, a central governing body of technocrats that has its own country, and controls every other

00:51:08.600 country on Earth, sort of like vassal states. Basically, it's recreating a theological version of the UN.

00:51:17.800 To be a Catholic integralist, which I think is a religious mandate, if you actually take Catholicism

00:51:24.360 at face value, to say, we do eventually want to convert everyone, and I do not want to change the

00:51:29.560 the papal system, right, is to say eventually we convert everyone, and then everyone is subordinate to

00:51:34.440 Rome. Well, the problem here being is, one, it's the ultimate globalist position. It's sort of like

00:51:41.320 the maximalist globalist position, which is, if you are familiar with the rest of my ideology,

00:51:48.520 or Simone's ideology, you would understand why that's so horrifying to us. And I think that some

00:51:53.880 of the Catholics can feel like, why are they so, like, do their hairs go up when we're talking about 0.98

00:51:59.720 Catholic stuff, and it's because a lot of them just ignore that this is the end goal, but if you look

00:52:07.080 at Simone and I, and you look at how we view the world, we're always thinking in terms of end goals. Like,

00:52:13.160 500 years, 5,000 years, 10,000 years, a million years into the future, what, where do we want humanity to be? And so if

00:52:20.600 we're always seeing things 1,000 years out, or 500 years out, or something like that, we're going to

00:52:27.720 be very aware of what is the active end goal of different groups, even if it's not what they're

00:52:34.760 fighting for in the moment. And the theological, I'm not talking about political, the theological end goal

00:52:41.800 is to essentially transform the earth into like a global theological UN, but operating under God,

00:52:49.960 right? And, and that's not an evil plan or anything like that. I can see why somebody would think that

00:52:57.560 that was a good thing to do, but it goes against not just our theological leanings, but our political

00:53:04.920 leanings, because I am a nationalist, I am an anti-globalist. And I think that this, and people

00:53:11.480 will note here, they're like, well, what about other groups? Because there's other groups in the

00:53:13.960 conservative alliance. And a lot of religious groups have this as their end state, right? Like

00:53:19.880 Mormons eventually want to convert everyone on earth to Mormonism. And eventually that would mean 0.97

00:53:25.560 that all governments would be subordinate to the Mormon central church in Utah. But here is where it

00:53:32.440 gets a little more nuanced. It's not the same for every religion, right? So a Mormon who wants to do that 1.00

00:53:39.880 can be an American nationalist in a way that a Catholic cannot be a real American nationalist if 0.91

00:53:46.440 they admit this long-term of plan of Catholicism, which is to say that a, the central church of

00:53:51.720 Mormonism is in America already. So they benefit their long-term plan benefits from disproportionately 0.95

00:54:00.840 benefiting America on the world stage and empowering America within the world stage.

00:54:06.120 Whereas the Vatican is not exactly going to benefit from making America rise.

00:54:12.680 Yes. The Vatican isn't anything and will actually go over. It has been a long-time

00:54:17.480 direct enemy of American interests.

00:54:19.480 I've only heard of criticisms of American policy coming from Vatican City, to be fair.

00:54:25.080 Yes. It's not awesome. They are one of America's core sort of political,

00:54:33.560 as a political axis, one of our core enemies, which makes them very different from like Israel. 0.95

00:54:39.160 Israel will do stuff like spy on us or sell technology or something like that. But it's 0.98

00:54:45.960 always out of self-interest. It's not in an active attempt to sabotage us for the sake of sabotaging us.

00:54:54.520 It's to advance to their own goals.

00:54:56.600 Well, no, no, no. I think a better way of putting that is their self-interest doesn't involve

00:55:01.800 sabotaging or knocking us down. Whereas perhaps there are reasons why the Catholic church would

00:55:08.120 benefit from that.

00:55:09.960 Yes.

00:55:10.280 Everyone acts with self-interest involved.

00:55:12.600 Yeah. Everyone acts with self-interest. I don't mind that Israel occasionally acts with self-interest. 0.88

00:55:15.800 It only acts with self-interest. Everyone only acts with self-interest.

00:55:19.320 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're missing my point here, Simone.

00:55:22.040 Israel, when Israel does something to sabotage the US's political interests,

00:55:29.240 it is because they were able to gain some benefit from that action.

00:55:34.920 The Vatican will, and we'll go into instances of this, sabotage America's interests with no benefit

00:55:42.520 benefit to them for the sake, because they, they see America as an existential enemy of theirs.

00:55:50.200 Yes. The benefit to them is knocking them down. If, if, if knocking, knocking us down.

00:55:55.240 Because we're an enemy, but Israel doesn't see us that way. I'm, I'm, I'm pointing this out. This is

00:55:58.760 a very big difference in the relationship.

00:56:00.520 Yes. There's greater alignment between the, the long-term goals of Israel and the United States

00:56:05.400 than there are between the Vatican and the United States.

00:56:09.000 But we'll get to that in a second. But with, with, with, with Catholics, for example, I, I do think 0.94

00:56:12.840 you could be a Catholic nationalist and like an Italian, because I think that Italy's interests

00:56:17.160 are really aligned with the Vatican's interests and, and you could, you know, you're advancing Italy's

00:56:21.480 interests, you're advancing Catholic interests. Now, you may ask, with all this being the case,

00:56:25.640 why, why do I so readily ally with Catholic factions within the wider, you know, sort of,

00:56:35.400 whether it's the pro-natalist coalition, why do I try to offer advice on how things can be fixed? Why

00:56:40.760 do I work to alert them to their own low birth rates and everything like that? There are a number

00:56:46.120 of reasons. As I've said, one, everything that we could win a campaign on right now, I am broadly

00:56:52.440 aligned with Catholics on. If you tried to ban, for example, IVF in the United States, 0.90

00:56:56.360 you probably would not win a presidential election. Right. And so there's no reason for

00:57:00.040 them to advocate for that. If you try to, you know, make a super soldier program, like I would

00:57:05.400 want to, you're not going to win a U S election. Right. So we, but it's not just that, because I'm

00:57:10.920 not just aligning with Catholics. I'm actively trying to make the Catholic movement more healthy.

00:57:17.080 When I'm like, here is social technology you can use. Here's a way you could start in order to

00:57:21.480 address this. Here's, you know, you have low fertility rates here, here, and here. Here's

00:57:25.320 how I'd address it. If I was in your community, why am I trying to make someone that is existentially

00:57:30.760 at a head with my goals? You know, we believe that humans have a mandate to inter-generationally

00:57:35.480 improve. And so this means that we believe in engaging with genetic science, like genetic

00:57:40.520 alteration of humans, engaging with brain computer interface, emerging of humans with AI,

00:57:45.080 everything like that. Right. Like artificial wounds, all of this stuff that because Catholics 1.00

00:57:49.240 believe in the sanctity of the body, Catholics are actively against and would actively attempt to 1.00

00:57:53.880 oppose. So somebody could act, which I note here, Jews are not actively against. Like if you're like,

00:57:59.000 why do we so readily align with Jews? Whereas like Protestant Mormons eventually want everyone to be 1.00

00:58:04.200 Mormon. So even if we align in the, in the short term, we're going to have problems in the long term.

00:58:08.360 Right. Also Mormons don't oppose any of this technology. Like Mormons are okay with all this, 0.97

00:58:13.320 which is one of the reasons why, even if Mormons became like the dominant faction in the United

00:58:16.680 States, they'd still be our, you know, they wouldn't, they wouldn't attempt to strip us of

00:58:21.080 things that we need to achieve our theological mandates. If Jews became the dominant faction in 0.89

00:58:25.240 the United States, they would not attempt to strip us of things we need to achieve our theological

00:58:28.840 mandates. If Catholics did, they absolutely would. In, in most Catholic majority countries, 1.00

00:58:33.880 we wouldn't have a single child because IVF is functionally banned. They make you do the transfers

00:58:39.320 immediately. This is the most Catholic Europe majority countries. And it's, you know, I wouldn't, 0.99

00:58:43.160 I wouldn't have a single kid. My line doesn't exist. Right. So the point I'm making here is,

00:58:47.960 so why do we so try to help them and readily ally with them? And the real reason is because

00:58:53.000 they're kind of on the back foot. If they were doing as well as the Jews, I might have a more concern 1.00

00:58:58.680 about them. But the reality is that they have desperately low fertility rates, Catholic majority 1.00

00:59:03.160 countries, like 1.18 in like Italy, 1.5, 1.15 in, in Spain, all across America, we have rates around

00:59:11.880 1.1, 1.2 now. Catholics are kind of going extinct. In the United States, they have low fertility rates.

00:59:17.960 You know, we're just seeing very, very low Catholic fertility rates outside of one community, which is

00:59:24.120 Hispanic immigrants in the United States have a relatively decent fertility rate, but it doesn't 0.92

00:59:29.000 offset the rest of the Catholic fertility rate. But because they have such a low fertility rate,

00:59:32.760 and not just a low fertility rate, but a low fertility rate combined with a lack of economic

00:59:37.720 relevance, you know, most Catholic majority countries. And this is just a thing, like when,

00:59:41.960 when Nick Fuentes might say something like, I don't want our country to become a Muslim majority country 1.00

00:59:47.560 because Muslim majority countries, you know, are poor and corrupt, but you're dealing with the same 1.00

00:59:55.960 thing from my perspective. I just think he lacks the external framing. If you're not a Catholic and you 0.95

01:00:01.160 look around the world at Catholic majority countries, every single one of them is poor 1.00

01:00:06.360 and corrupt, with the possible exception of Ireland, which is in a downward spiral right now.

01:00:12.520 So I think that primarily that it's the tax incentives with large corporations that's been

01:00:18.760 propping it up. Right. So kind of, yeah. So this is why when I think about like long-term partners,

01:00:26.040 right, like for my ideological framework, my religious framework, we can be a movement. We

01:00:33.000 can all sit down and be like, Hey, like, and even our Catholic followers, they're not hiding this from

01:00:37.400 us. They know, like we know, and they know they don't want us to, to have a family that grows really

01:00:45.560 large and popularizes the use of germline gene editing in humans. They don't want us.

01:00:51.880 Well, I think they honestly, I think Catholics would prefer that to apologetic risk or selection 0.99

01:00:56.360 because you have fewer. I thought this as well. And I was talking to a reporter in Telemundo and

01:01:00.440 she's like, they absolutely would not. Oh really? Even though ideologically they see one as,

01:01:05.320 as like murder, they, they still see the second as worse because they see it as so violating of the

01:01:10.680 human condition. And this is because the root of our individual conservative ideologies comes from two

01:01:16.040 different places. Their conservative ideologies route is wanting to go back to a more traditional

01:01:21.960 way of doing things. Whereas our conservative route is very Nietzschean. It is the strong should

01:01:28.840 beat the weak. We need to continue to become stronger. And if there is a technology that allows us to

01:01:34.600 counter the dysgenic trends within our population, or in some way strengthen our population relative to

01:01:43.000 other populations, we have a mandate to engage with that. We understand where their position

01:01:49.640 comes from. And I think they understand where our position comes from. And they're both parts

01:01:53.320 of the wider conservative ideology. And so our Catholic fans, like none of our Catholic fans are

01:01:58.760 surprised by this. Like, this isn't me like being, errr, I'm mad at Catholic. Our Catholic fans are like,

01:02:04.840 yeah, I don't like that you guys do this stuff and this stuff and this stuff.

01:02:07.880 Well, that's one of the great things about our podcast is that the people who listen to this

01:02:11.400 podcast are not like our ideological mirrors. They are very different people.

01:02:16.600 And I love that. And I think that's why, and, and they can say, and they can be like,

01:02:21.000 but honestly, we are at a political fulcrum point in terms of human history and we cannot risk losing

01:02:27.480 an election. Like the fact that Nick Fuentes didn't even vote in the last election cycle,

01:02:31.720 to me, it's really telling of where his heart lies that, you know, babies are being murdered

01:02:37.320 by his standards and he couldn't bring himself to ally with the mainstream conservative party over

01:02:43.720 this, over what is really pretty aesthetic differences, but we'll get into that in a second.

01:02:49.880 So I want to go into some of the quotes from the interview that I thought were really interesting.

01:02:53.560 He said, I think we are required to love our wives. I think you have to love our wives as our wives.

01:02:59.720 So he's talking about the way he sees women and everything like that. But he also talked about,

01:03:03.800 you know, why he doesn't have a wife yet. Really what I took away from this, he says,

01:03:08.360 he basically tried to say that they're all women will destroy your life. All women will make you

01:03:12.440 unhappy. And of course, on the other side here, the, what was his name?

01:03:16.760 It's not like a big portion of our audience wouldn't agree with him.

01:03:20.760 Tucker Carlson was like, no, but all women might ruin that. One of the, one of the problems was 1.00

01:03:27.240 a griper movement more broadly. And Nick has talked about this. And it's one of the reasons 1.00

01:03:30.680 apparently he doesn't get a wife is because he has found that when people in the movement marry

01:03:35.240 out and know here, I have no like animosity, Nick Fuentes. He seems like a perfectly nice guy.

01:03:40.040 I can be like our goals are run cross-function to his goals long-term, but I think he could be a very

01:03:46.280 valuable player in the conservative alliance. If he would stop stabbing us in the back by telling

01:03:50.040 people not to vote during critical election cycles, like if Kamala had won,

01:03:54.440 what would be happening in American media right now? You know, what would be happening with the

01:03:58.040 American legal system right now with the school system, like in Gaza, even right? Like 0.95

01:04:04.360 so many horrible things would have happened. And it just seems like such a petty,

01:04:07.800 but not to get to that. Cause I've already had episodes where I go off on that.

01:04:11.560 If you have a movement where you have a fear of marrying because you think you will leave the

01:04:16.120 movement if you do that, and you have a fear of your followers marrying because it has frequently

01:04:20.920 caused them to leave the movement, then this is not a movement that is cohesive with

01:04:25.720 intergenerational stability, right? Like it's not a movement that's going to matter in 50 years

01:04:31.160 because they're not going to reproduce. Yeah. Nick actually is well aware of this,

01:04:35.400 which I like, you know, he's a, he's a smart guy, right? He thinks that if they can make enough

01:04:40.600 of an Overton window shift now with like the 10 years of relevance, they might have, you know,

01:04:45.720 you know, that he can move American conservatism, the breeders more towards his perspectives.

01:04:53.000 Can he achieve this? I think he has achieved it to a small extent, you know, through getting on

01:04:58.520 the Tucker Carlson show, everything like that, airing out the things that he's airing out,

01:05:02.280 which will go into a lot of the things he said about Israel, but I don't know if he'll achieve

01:05:05.560 it. I don't see it being possible long run because it's just not a long-term plan. It's a short-term

01:05:11.000 plan that seems incompatible with procreation if people who get married leave it, if it can't 0.89

01:05:16.600 appeal to women, right? And he said here, I don't know a happy woman that's a liberal. 0.94

01:05:21.800 Then the, and Tucker Carlson was saying, I don't know a happy married woman who's not a conservative. 0.97

01:05:28.120 Sort of pointing out that if you marry a woman and you make her happy, she'll become conservative, 0.61

01:05:32.520 right? Like you did. You were very progressive when I met you. Another one here that he said that I

01:05:37.320 thought was pretty rich. They have an international community across borders, extremely organized.

01:05:42.920 Like no other community is like that. And I'm like, except for the, like the Catholics, 1.00

01:05:46.680 you guys literally have the federalist society. You literally took over a branch of the U S government.

01:05:51.560 The Jews have not achieved that, you know, but I think it's a bit of a, it's hard to see this stuff

01:05:56.520 when you're inside the house, then when you're outside the house and the house is so obvious

01:06:01.160 looking, right? And I think that this is also when people are like, well, the Jews are a group

01:06:05.400 that's different from you and has cross interests to you. And I'm like, so are the Catholics,

01:06:10.440 right? Like we are a small group, the techno Puritans, my family's traditions, like these,

01:06:15.000 these pro tech people, we are a very, the last descendants of Puritan logic in America.

01:06:20.520 We are a very small faction, right? We need to build alliances with groups that are not us while

01:06:27.160 being aware that these other groups will only build alliances with us if they're self-serving,

01:06:31.080 right? This is as true for Catholics as it is for Jews. He says, Jews want to protect Israel. 0.73

01:06:37.080 He said, he said a number of times, the enemy is the conservative movement. And he actively

01:06:40.520 sees mainstream conservatism as a bigger enemy than wokeism and stuff like this. And I wasn't

01:06:44.760 sure if this is just like my prejudice of him that was leading me to believe that he was actively

01:06:49.800 attempting to sabotage the United States conservative movement. And he made it very clear that no,

01:06:54.600 this is an active choice on his part, which does mean that if you are a member of the conservative

01:07:01.000 movement in the, in the United States, and this is why it's like, don't attack conservatives that

01:07:05.400 are to the right of you. It's like, I agree with that. If they haven't made the mainstream

01:07:10.520 conservative movement, they're active and stated enemy. That's where it gets a little different when

01:07:16.680 their goal is to prevent us from winning election cycles and killing babies, right?

01:07:21.560 Well, and from our perspective. Yeah. Okay. So I wanted to now go over like what the Vatican is

01:07:29.560 actually doing, what its ideology actually is, because I think that this is important to contrast

01:07:35.480 with Nick's ideology here, because I think what we can see is his worldview is sort of only works

01:07:42.360 as long as you forget that the thing that makes Catholics different from Protestants is apostolic

01:07:46.760 succession and the Vatican and the central bureaucracy, at least some branch of the Protestantism,

01:07:52.200 not every branch of Protestantism. Okay. So plenary indulgence for world use day,

01:07:56.360 eco participation, 2023. It's been world use day, a Vatican event, got indulgences,

01:08:03.240 could earn a plenary indulgence by joining cry of the earth, an ecological initiative.

01:08:09.800 What? They are now giving indulgences for environmentalist work.

01:08:16.440 I, you know, that makes sense, actually. I mean, like, given how the church has evolved over time,

01:08:23.480 that it has become much more progressive and that they still have indulgences that,

01:08:28.280 yeah, that checks out. That would, that would be happening.

01:08:30.840 They're hoping that it is no longer possible to doubt that the human anthropic

01:08:34.840 origin of climate change. And that this, you know, affects everyone on earth, et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:39.720 Francis warns of extreme climate change at risk from CO2. And they have been extremely adamant,

01:08:47.000 and this is a big problem for Italy at bringing in refugees and extremely critical of Trump's refugee

01:08:54.760 policy. We ourselves see the migrants and refugees do not only represent a problem to be solved, 1.00

01:09:01.880 but our brothers and sisters to be welcome, respected, and loved. So, and they've pushed

01:09:06.760 for personal invitations of migrants into Italy. They have called Trump's policy a disgrace.

01:09:13.160 They have attacked Trump during his first election cycle as well. A person who thinks only about

01:09:18.200 building walls wherever they may be and not building bridges is not a Christian. 1.00

01:09:21.720 Okay.

01:09:22.440 And I note here, a fun one here is, because now we're going to go over what,

01:09:26.760 what Nick would actually say and some quotes from Nick.

01:09:29.160 Okay. But they're like, Jews want to take over the world and force their no-hide laws on us. And I'm 1.00

01:09:35.160 like, bro, one, Jews already disproportionately out-compete other people within systems.

01:09:40.760 What are no-hide laws? Sorry.

01:09:42.520 No-hide laws. We've done another episode pointing out that they're basically a scam and not real,

01:09:46.920 and some modern Jews made it up, and it's a very long video. We're not always positive to Jewish

01:09:51.720 people, mind you. In that episode, we argue that Judaism-

01:09:54.280 Contrary to what everyone in our comments argues.

01:09:56.440 And Christianity is very obviously the correct successor to the ancient Christian religion,

01:10:03.720 which is only called Judaism now because of, I don't want to go into this in this video,

01:10:08.600 but the point being is we are critical of Judaism as well. But the funny thing is that the no-hide

01:10:13.000 laws don't actually impose any additional restrictions on somebody who is already a Catholic or a Christian.

01:10:19.160 Literally no additional restrictions. Whereas if Catholics controlled everything, 0.99

01:10:22.520 they would impose tons of additional restrictions on everyone else, which is again, why if you're

01:10:26.760 choosing a faction to ally ways. So here's a quote from him, F the UN and internet and democracy.

01:10:33.880 You know what democracy has given us? Obesity, low rates of literacy. It's given us divorce, 0.74

01:10:38.440 abortion, gay marriage, liberalism, pornography. That's what democracy has given us. 0.61

01:10:42.680 Ghettos and crime and political correctness. Diversity, yeah. The track record of democracy,

01:10:47.240 not so good. Catholic autocracy, pretty strong, pretty strong record. Catholic monarchy,

01:10:52.040 Catholic monarchy, and just war and crusades and Inquisition, pretty good stuff. 0.93

01:10:57.880 The thing here is, I think actually, if you look at the history of a lot of the Catholic monarchies,

01:11:05.000 there was an extreme amount of poverty was in them. They did effectively organize during specific

01:11:11.480 periods. But generally speaking, I might even say it might be worse trying it again because it does

01:11:18.200 appear to me that for the reasons we studied above, Catholicism may be like true. Like I'm

01:11:23.880 going to go balls to the wall with my Catholicism might be incompatible with democracy. And that might

01:11:28.120 be why there's so much corruption in Catholic majority states, right? It might be that democracy 1.00

01:11:32.280 is more like of a Protestant Jewish thing. And I'm not saying this is like a attack on different

01:11:38.120 groups are different. Different things work for them, right? Look at our video on Arabs. Like 0.99

01:11:42.200 Arabs almost never have democracies. And when they do, it usually ends in a horrible, corrupt 1.00

01:11:47.640 disaster. So, you know, the Catholics may be the same way, right? I don't know, right? We haven't seen it 1.00

01:11:53.720 tried recently. But I don't disagree with this. But what I would say is then why don't you go back to

01:12:00.200 a Catholic majority country, right? Like, why don't you go back to a country where the culture of that 1.00

01:12:04.920 country is your culture, right? You know, your culture is not my culture. Your culture is not 1.00

01:12:11.480 the culture of America. Your culture is not the culture of America at its funding founding. It's

01:12:16.360 not the culture of America today. And there are plenty of countries on earth that have your culture,

01:12:22.680 right? Like what, why do you need to be here? Like the very arguments that he uses immigration,

01:12:28.920 I feel about him. It's like, you haven't integrated, you haven't assimilated, you don't

01:12:35.880 seem to understand American values. Why can't you go to one of the countries that share your value

01:12:41.800 system, rather than our value system? Right? All right, so let me let me take a take a crack here,

01:12:50.120 though, you know, as as someone who, like, I don't know what it was about the Nick fangirl deep dive,

01:12:56.440 right? But like, now I'm quite fond. And now that I wasn't not fond of him before,

01:13:00.600 I was just completely ignorant. But like, I'm like, oh, Nick Quintus, like, there's a fondness

01:13:04.840 there that wasn't there before. On top of that, some of our favorite people in the world are Catholic.

01:13:11.320 I mean, Catherine Ruth Bacolic is, she's Catholic. Roger Severino of Heritage is Catholic. A bunch of

01:13:20.520 other people that we know that we're not going to name for their privacy are Catholic. And they

01:13:26.120 they represent, to me, and in my view, a sort of new guard of Catholicism. And yes, you we've

01:13:33.160 already kind of aired this a little bit earlier in the episode, but I kind of. And like, you know what,

01:13:39.480 I'm all for a sort of revisionist history, Catholicism, that is that is America first and 1.00

01:13:47.640 American nationalist Catholicism that is kind of like, hey, we're playing the long game,

01:13:52.760 we're going to inherit the future of the Catholic Church. A lot of the people who are following,

01:13:57.080 who follow this podcast, who are also Catholic, regularly send to us episode ideas on on a

01:14:03.960 corruption within the Catholic Church of like, here are these people who've been trying to push

01:14:08.280 it to a progressive end. Here's this corruption. Here's this thing. They're they're actively critical

01:14:14.120 of the Vatican. They're anything but blindly loyal to the Vatican. And I take a lot of comfort

01:14:19.560 personally and knowing that on a grassroots level, they're building something that I think,

01:14:23.880 honestly, on a community level is more organized and working better than the vast majority of

01:14:28.680 technophilic religions. I would say maybe even more so than Orthodox Jews in the United States, 1.00

01:14:34.520 because while Orthodox Jews have really strong local communities, they're also a little bit more

01:14:39.640 technophobic in some circles, like they seem a little bit too insular and not that integrated with

01:14:44.680 the wider world. I agree with all this. But as I laid out, basically what these groups are doing

01:14:50.440 is they're moving into a soft schismatic position while they hope the Vatican gets its butt together.

01:14:55.400 Well, I think you don't have to hope for the Vatican to get its act together. I think you just have to

01:15:01.240 wait it out. That's what the Anglicans did. And now they've got a lady pope. 1.00

01:15:05.800 Right. But that's I think that's on the tail end. I mean, look at where the UK is in general right now.

01:15:10.520 No, look at where Italy is in general. But like, no, what I'm saying is the UK hasn't got its act

01:15:16.840 together. The UK isn't enjoying the dividends of a long term demographic shift that would that is

01:15:24.280 that would be downstream of what I expect from the Catholic community. What the what the UK now has is, 0.87

01:15:29.720 you know, similarly reflected in its current status with with immigration and policy and censorship.

01:15:35.000 And we have that episode on how basically the UK is being occupied by a hostile anti-British force

01:15:42.680 now. And it's sort of this form of like wokeism that's really creepy. So, of course, I would expect

01:15:47.400 the Anglican Church to be like this. What I'm looking at is the long game of what Catholicism in the

01:15:52.200 United States is now, which is something that we would probably be pretty happy with and think is

01:15:58.200 is positive. So I don't think I agree with all of that. And that's why we ally with them so readily

01:16:05.320 and frequently. But I also think it's important for groups to not be sitting there and each thinking to

01:16:11.400 themselves, well, I know in 200 or 300 years, either we're going to have to convert you or there's going 0.98

01:16:17.880 to be trouble. Right. Like and and I think that it's it's more honest as a movement if we share that

01:16:25.720 I am aware that our long term plans and your long term plans are theologically incompatible.

01:16:32.760 And then you can talk about how do you make that work? For example, the techno puritans and the

01:16:38.040 other groups like us could just leave Earth. Right. You know, I don't I don't need to I don't have any

01:16:43.960 special attachment to this planet. Catholics do. They can convert all the humans on Earth and feel great

01:16:48.600 about themselves. Right. I there are ways that we can by having the conversation and admitting

01:16:55.080 that on paper it looks like one day we will be directly at in conflict with each other.

01:17:03.400 They that it's important to to air and bring that up, even if right now their communities and our

01:17:09.240 communities like I feel much more comfortable with our kids socializing within their communities than

01:17:13.640 within the urban monoculture. So so like clearly I don't have I see them as cultural allies in the moment.

01:17:21.000 And I think that some people can think it's cool to dunk on a group just because they know that

01:17:26.840 they're going to be cultural enemies in the future. And what I'm trying to do here is not do that. 0.63

01:17:31.560 Say, look, we are like even when I read Nick's whole thing about democracy not working and Catholic 0.98

01:17:36.440 monarchy, I was like, yeah, like that's a decent point. Right. And I'm going to split this episode

01:17:41.320 into two episodes. Actually, the second one is going to be when we go over Jews versus Catholics, 0.85

01:17:45.640 who to sideways? Because that'll be a fun one. And that's where we can go over all of his

01:17:50.520 questions about Judaism and like, is Judaism a problem in in the amount of ties Israel has in

01:17:56.200 the United States? Because it is it is a lot. You know, there are concessions for that relationship.

01:18:00.520 But I'd also note here, Simone, that it's important to remember that, like, just how

01:18:04.440 bone Catholicism looks like it's going to be like even these factions of Catholicism.

01:18:09.400 If you look at current rates of sperm decline, I think it's by 2045, 50 percent of men in the

01:18:13.960 developed world are going to be infertile. And this number is going to keep going on. 1.00

01:18:16.680 Right. Like if you do not use reproductive technology, which many the mainstream position 0.98

01:18:23.160 in Catholicism is do not use it. You're going to really struggle to keep those numbers up.

01:18:27.960 And they're already struggling. Like I hear what you're saying.

01:18:31.560 Right. But I also I mean, there there is something something to be said for the fact that

01:18:37.000 that that an anti-IVF policy could change and likely will change in the future.

01:18:46.200 But it's not set in stone. And one of the nice things about the Catholic Church is leadership

01:18:51.320 is able to change things like this is in timelines where the Catholic Church survives and the good

01:18:57.160 ones don't go schismatic is a future in which the church severely changes.

01:19:03.640 And it is completely capable of doing that.

01:19:07.720 The problem here being is that the ones who are having the most kids want it to change the least.

01:19:12.920 OK, OK. So Nick Funtis has talked about a wanting a Catholic government.

01:19:16.520 He's talking about America is a Christian nation, not a Judeo-Christian nation.

01:19:20.920 This was one of the expos, which I absolutely love in the light of the Catholic history of America.

01:19:26.280 He said once you are with the Catholic or you're with the Jews, which, you know, we will get to. 0.99

01:19:31.720 I can see that the supreme leader, totalitarian Christian dictator. 1.00

01:19:36.680 He has liked the idea of banning a bunch of stuff, replacing our current country with a Catholic Taliban. 1.00

01:19:43.400 And you can see why when we hear these sorts of things, you mean a Catholic caliphate, basically a Catholic. 0.79

01:19:49.160 I think he said Taliban, actually, but he actually said Taliban. Oh, my God.

01:19:53.240 So so and he's and he complains a lot about like I've tried to figure out what his long term vision of.

01:19:58.360 Like, does he understand that the consequence of his worldview is everybody being under a Catholic super state out of the Vatican, sort of a global technocracy.

01:20:07.200 And he's doesn't seem to grapple with that.

01:20:10.040 He seems to stop at let's remove Jewish influence. Let's increase Catholic influence. 0.98

01:20:14.760 Yeah. And I mean, that's why it would be so fun to have him on the podcast and talk about these things, because when I want to confirm if that's actually his stance.

01:20:20.660 But, too, you know, as we've seen just in so much empirical data, when you try from a top down level to enforce these policies and you can look at anything from Aria Baba's research, which is more weak correlations to like places such as Iran, where people are just actively fighting back against the morality police and stuff.

01:20:40.720 It doesn't work that this needs to come from within this has to come from devout commitment to your religious values, not because the morality police are going to come and arrest you if you are acting against religious tenants.

01:20:56.560 So, yeah, I mean, if only if only we could talk with him and I know that he he we in an earlier time would have talked with us, but he's he's really trending now.

01:21:06.960 And I also think that that's just really interesting. I feel like he started to trend first when Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson kind of lambasted him in their own one on one chat.

01:21:19.800 But he he he keeps trending up in the media. He keeps making the front page of drudge and there's something going on there.

01:21:30.280 I don't know if it's that it just his rise or orchestrated rise fits into a certain narrative that people really want.

01:21:38.820 I think it's progressives are using him to attack the conservative movement.

01:21:42.060 He does seem like a cudgel and like he's being yeah, that there are people uninvolved with him that are trying to put him into place and like insert him into narratives like recall that this is what we were accused of of of of being responsible for the Charlie Kirk assassination.

01:21:59.980 Yeah. So you've got to be aware of the larger political play here. OK, the conservatives have done a very good job of allying with the Jews. Right. And it's useful to ally with the Jews. 0.91

01:22:09.440 There's a lot of reasons. All I was the Jews in terms of all over the world.

01:22:13.880 They have disproportionate positions of power within governments, within country and within business.

01:22:19.180 If they think that the U.S.'s success is going to benefit them in whether it's Israel or Judaism, moreover, they have a vested interest in the U.S.'s success. 0.51

01:22:31.380 So there is a this idea of there's no reason to side with the Jews.

01:22:35.720 And I want to be clear here. It's not that I, quote unquote, trust the Jews or Israel. 0.95

01:22:41.060 It's that I trust the Jews in Israel to act in their best interest.

01:22:44.800 The thing is, is I can find a path where that best interest correlates with my best interest.

01:22:52.220 I find it harder to find a path where the Vatican's best interest correlates with my best interest, at least when I look at what the Vatican is putting out right now in terms of public statements.

01:23:02.160 And the great thing is progressives always turn against the Jews because progressives believe that all differences between groups and communities can't be downstream of genetics, can't be downstream of culture. 0.90

01:23:10.280 They must be downstream of what? Systemic unfairness, right?

01:23:16.020 And so if Jews are in positions of power, Jews must have cheated, right? 0.99

01:23:20.360 This is why the whole Black Lives Matter thing, everything like that. 0.93

01:23:23.720 And so they turned against Jews.

01:23:25.140 And the right has been able to absorb the Jewish movement to a large extent in the United States, which is very important.

01:23:30.860 And we've been able to cut off a lot of donations that were going to left wing causes and stuff like that from Jews. 1.00

01:23:34.860 And the left desperately needs to try to convince American Jews and the American public that there are still right wing anti-Semites out there.

01:23:43.520 And about the only one left is Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens.

01:23:47.940 But yeah, we just have Ben Shapiro to blame for all that.

01:23:53.180 Yes, Ben Shapiro venting anti-Semites.

01:23:55.680 Because they were fine before.

01:23:57.100 They were fine with Jews.

01:23:58.680 Okay, so we're going to cut off here.

01:24:00.780 And the next episode, we're going to go into Nick's accusations about Israel, which are mostly accurate, by the way. 0.99

01:24:06.840 And why, despite them being accurate, they are generally less inflammatory than if it was the Vatican.

01:24:15.640 Like almost any complaint he has about Israel, the Vatican has done worse.

01:24:20.540 And this is where it gets to the thing of like, we need to like, it's either Catholics or the Jews. 0.88

01:24:26.500 Somebody who isn't actively a Catholic, you know, your answer is going to be pretty obvious. 0.84

01:24:31.780 And there's a reason why for the conservative party, they have tried to ally with the Jews. 0.90

01:24:36.820 All right.

01:24:37.440 So next episode, beginning.

01:24:41.240 When I've grown out of lemonade.

01:24:44.760 We should be storing them all somewhere.

01:24:46.640 Are we keeping them all in one place?

01:24:47.700 Yeah, they're all in a basket with other toys.

01:24:50.540 Okay, good.

01:24:52.880 I'll whip those out this weekend along with the bouncy things.

01:24:56.460 There will be battles.

01:24:59.480 That's the point of children, right?

01:25:01.440 If you're not going to battle them.

01:25:03.600 I watched enough shows of the kids to know that when you have little things in your house, you have to battle them.

01:25:08.800 And so I battle my children.

01:25:11.560 Yeah, this is necessary.

01:25:12.180 And that is probably why we had CPS coming over to our house again.

01:25:15.340 Once again.

01:25:17.040 Not for battling, because my kid made finger guns at someone at school.

01:25:19.940 Yeah, so they had to make sure all of our actual guns were locked up, because clearly that's his next step.

01:25:27.560 You know, finger guns are just the gateway to gun guns. 0.94

01:25:31.360 Although, I mean, keep in mind, there's this very prominent lawsuit that I think either is about to be decided, or that's finally going into court, which is about that first grader who shot his teacher.

01:25:44.320 And Octavia is a first grader.

01:25:46.320 And Octavia is a first grader.

01:25:47.140 So I think, you know, yeah.

01:25:49.780 Great.

01:25:50.160 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:26:02.180 I grabbed my old phone, dialed my side with glee.

01:26:06.160 Got a story about Ben that's wild as can be.

01:26:10.920 He sees young Nick Fontes, a college kid bright

01:26:15.920 With opinions so mild, not spoiling for a fight

01:26:20.920 But Ben unleashes hell, unprovoked and so mean

01:26:25.920 Smears him as racist for views in between

01:26:30.920 Fies him from gigs while he's still in his dorm

01:26:34.920 Turns a normal young guy into anti-Semite storm 0.96

01:26:39.920 Open your so hateful prejudice in your veins 0.99

01:26:44.920 Pushing good folks to madness, driving them insane 0.76

01:26:49.920 From questions on aid to full-blown hateful spite 0.99

01:26:53.920 The Jews would be better without your dark light 1.00

01:26:59.920 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 0.96

01:27:02.920 Your dark light, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

01:27:08.920 Then Candace Owens joins all pro-Israel cheer

01:27:13.920 But Ben starts the war, fills her heart up with fear

01:27:18.920 Harasses over Gaza, calls her names in the fray

01:27:22.920 Fires her from daily wire, sends her anti-Semite way

01:27:27.920 She flips to the shadows with tropes sold and grim fate 0.89

01:27:32.920 Blames secret cabals all because of him

01:27:37.920 His constant attacks like a thorn in the side

01:27:41.920 Create more division with nowhere to hide

01:27:49.920 Open your so hateful prejudice in your veins 0.68

01:27:54.920 Pushing good folks to madness, driving them insane 0.76

01:27:59.920 From questions on aid to full-blown hateful spite 0.99

01:28:03.920 The Jews would be better without your dark light 1.00

01:28:12.920 Your dark light, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 0.96

01:28:18.920 So my turn, please listen, this guy's gotta go

01:28:23.920 He's breeding the hate that we all hate to know

01:28:28.960 With chaps uninvited and a soul full of fire 1.00

01:28:34.040 He's the prejudiced king 0.92

01:28:37.800 Setting the world on fire 0.97

01:28:53.920 He's the living the laborer

01:28:58.920 He's the human of mine

01:29:02.360 He's the human of his power

01:29:07.720 Deerse! 0.77

01:29:13.520 Call me when I get to play

Based Camp - November 03, 2025

Groypers & Nick Fuentes： An Anthropology Of A Paradoxical Ideology

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