Based Camp - Higher % of Anime Nerds in Latin America than Japan？!

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.

00:00:04.080 America is dealing with a serious problem.

00:00:07.680 A flood of immigrants from Latin America.

00:00:11.220 And if you know anything about Latin Americans,

00:00:13.180 you know exactly what type of people they are.

00:00:16.360 Standard nerds.

00:00:19.300 But no, in reality, if you are unfamiliar with this phenomenon, 0.85

00:00:24.800 Latin America is shockingly nerdy. 1.00

00:00:27.900 When I say shockingly nerdy, well, I can start with a parade 0.93

00:00:32.680 that they held in service, this was in Mexico,

00:00:36.100 to a character in Dragon Ball Z dying.

00:00:39.200 Oh, don't forget that in the protests that are taking place right now,

00:00:42.620 there are one-piece flags flying.

00:00:45.140 Yeah, well, they've been doing that in a lot of countries.

00:00:46.760 Here's a showing of Dragon Ball Z outside in Latin America

00:00:51.260 to give you an example of how big they are.

00:00:57.900 But if we're talking about specific statistics,

00:01:12.380 did you know that in Brazil,

00:01:15.460 when you ask people the percentage of internet users who enjoy anime,

00:01:19.760 the number, the percent in Brazil is higher than the percent in Japan.

00:01:25.900 That is how nerdy they are. 1.00

00:01:27.980 So to go over that,

00:01:28.700 and we're going to go over why this is after we go over all the statistics,

00:01:31.660 but to go over the statistics here,

00:01:33.880 in Brazil, it's between 42 to 45% in recent estimates.

00:01:38.220 In Mexico, it's 41 to 44%.

00:01:40.960 In Japan, it is 38 to 42%,

00:01:45.500 so less than Mexico or Brazil.

00:01:48.040 Wow.

00:01:48.380 And compared to the U.S.,

00:01:50.080 so keep in mind, in Mexico and Brazil,

00:01:51.800 you're looking at like 41 to 42 to like 45%.

00:01:54.440 In the U.S., it's 15 to 21%.

00:01:57.040 Oh my gosh.

00:01:58.040 So when I say they're like nerdier,

00:02:00.700 and we're going to go over other nerdy hobbies too,

00:02:02.680 because they are nerdier across the spectrum.

00:02:05.500 Really?

00:02:05.900 I mean, like, demonstrably nerdier.

00:02:08.840 Like D&D nerdy?

00:02:10.280 Like not just not me,

00:02:11.820 but they're nerdy?

00:02:12.200 They're way more into video games

00:02:13.520 than people in the United States or Europe as well.

00:02:15.560 Oh, wow.

00:02:16.020 Okay.

00:02:17.080 And no, this isn't just United States.

00:02:18.760 This is basically all other countries, 0.61

00:02:20.680 including Japan, they're nerdier than. 0.94

00:02:22.420 In the U.K., anime is 15 to 21%, right?

00:02:26.360 And this is from the pair of consumer data.

00:02:28.420 Wow, that's so low.

00:02:29.940 If you look at watch time weekly of anime, right?

00:02:33.380 Like how much...

00:02:34.160 Oh, by the way,

00:02:34.780 if you're wondering like Crunchyroll data,

00:02:36.920 actually we'll get to that in a second.

00:02:38.060 But watch time weekly,

00:02:40.660 Brazil, Mexico, 35 to 35.

00:02:43.400 This is aligned with streaming surveys.

00:02:45.500 This is anime watch time weekly

00:02:47.060 of like what they're watching as anime.

00:02:49.340 That's 40%.

00:02:50.160 So it's a little below Japan.

00:02:51.560 And in Mexico, it's 36%.

00:02:53.240 In Europe, it's 20 to 25%.

00:02:54.820 And then if you look at percent choosing anime

00:02:58.460 as your favorite genre,

00:03:00.040 LATAM has the highest rate anywhere globally, 28%.

00:03:02.880 Nice, guys.

00:03:04.400 Japan is 17%.

00:03:07.120 U.S. Canada, 16%.

00:03:09.820 And then EMA, including the U.K., is 12%.

00:03:13.540 And if you look at APAC, like whatever,

00:03:17.720 you're looking at 17%.

00:03:18.900 Okay, so Crunchyroll.

00:03:21.160 Crunchyroll viewership by language.

00:03:23.620 Spanish dubs make up 40% of viewing on the platform.

00:03:30.620 Wow.

00:03:31.760 English dubs are only 30 to 40%.

00:03:34.520 So more people watch anime on Crunchyroll in Spanish

00:03:39.840 than in English collectively.

00:03:42.220 Crunchyroll is a U.S. incorporated entity, right?

00:03:46.400 So I think we applied to jobs there once

00:03:48.300 and it was like, it was in Austin or Texas, I think?

00:03:52.320 I think so.

00:03:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:53.560 If you look at Japanese exports of anime products,

00:03:56.840 40% to 50% go Latin American.

00:03:59.480 Okay, so let's now be like, okay,

00:04:01.480 you can be like, it's just watching anime, right?

00:04:03.160 Like, it's not actually like nerd culture, okay?

00:04:07.200 Okay, I mean.

00:04:09.520 So in Brazil, they have like an anime pop culture convention

00:04:14.120 that it pulls in, it's called DCXP,

00:04:17.620 that pulls in 280,000 to 297,000 people.

00:04:22.860 It's like a city, that's huge.

00:04:26.040 It's literally twice the size of Comic-Con,

00:04:28.900 which is 135,000 people.

00:04:31.060 And then, if you're looking at the largest anime-only convention

00:04:38.180 in the United States, right?

00:04:39.860 Yeah.

00:04:40.300 That's Anime Expo, which is 100,000 to 115,000.

00:04:43.300 Is that the, wait, is that the San Jose one?

00:04:45.840 Yeah, the one that we used to.

00:04:46.860 That's the biggest one?

00:04:48.420 No, that's in Los Angeles.

00:04:49.780 Oh, okay.

00:04:51.020 But if you contrast that with anime friends in Brazil,

00:04:54.940 that brings in 80,000 to 100,000.

00:04:57.220 So about the same.

00:04:58.480 And then if you look at other,

00:05:00.000 so what I'm pointing out here is off the charts,

00:05:05.340 off the charts in terms of anime consumption.

00:05:07.940 And you can say, okay, well,

00:05:09.940 what about this video game thing you mentioned here?

00:05:11.920 All right?

00:05:12.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:13.020 So if you look at total player count in Latin America,

00:05:16.820 you have a total player count of 372.3 million people.

00:05:22.340 Contrast that with North America,

00:05:23.860 which is only 224.8 million people.

00:05:27.900 Huh.

00:05:28.560 If you look at,

00:05:30.340 so that means the Latin America has around 67% more players in the United States,

00:05:34.020 despite a smaller population.

00:05:36.040 Yeah.

00:05:36.640 If you're looking at this United States,

00:05:37.400 you're looking at 249 million.

00:05:38.900 Yeah.

00:05:39.900 Wow.

00:05:41.080 What is going on?

00:05:42.960 Okay.

00:05:43.200 If you look at,

00:05:44.120 let's see.

00:05:44.900 Ooh.

00:05:45.420 Okay.

00:05:45.680 I have some theories.

00:05:47.600 Yeah.

00:05:47.820 Also much higher.

00:05:48.900 What is it?

00:05:49.500 The e-sports viewership.

00:05:51.560 Okay.

00:05:51.700 So then I decided,

00:05:52.520 I was like,

00:05:52.860 okay,

00:05:52.980 let's try to go to other things.

00:05:53.940 Let's go to like furries and stuff like that.

00:05:55.720 Are they also more furries?

00:05:57.740 This was the only one where they do not appear to be more.

00:06:01.540 Ooh.

00:06:02.020 A lot of other things,

00:06:03.760 you see higher rates.

00:06:04.980 So before I go further,

00:06:06.020 and there's some common explanations that I don't really buy.

00:06:10.300 And we'll go on one of these common explanations.

00:06:12.760 I don't fully buy.

00:06:13.960 And then we'll get into what I actually think caused it.

00:06:16.800 The common explanation that I don't really buy that we'll go deeper on,

00:06:21.400 but just so you're aware is people say,

00:06:24.720 well,

00:06:25.700 Latin America was a highly sort of diverse marketplace where you didn't have a

00:06:30.180 lot of local content production.

00:06:31.940 And when they were buying children's shows,

00:06:34.520 they disproportionately bought the rights to anime shows over United States

00:06:38.760 shows.

00:06:39.800 And that led to this really high rate of anime watchership across Latin

00:06:44.000 America.

00:06:45.120 And I'm like,

00:06:45.760 okay,

00:06:46.200 but if that was true,

00:06:47.460 then why don't we see a similar phenomenon across Southern Europe?

00:06:50.760 Why don't we see a similar phenomenon in Eastern Europe?

00:06:53.880 Why don't we see a similar phenomenon in Africa?

00:06:56.500 Right?

00:06:56.680 Like all of them presumably could have gotten anime cheaper too.

00:07:01.440 So why is it specific to Latin America?

00:07:04.600 And note here,

00:07:05.140 it's not a Catholic thing.

00:07:06.120 You do not see any of these phenomenons mirrored in Southern Europe,

00:07:10.320 where actually anime consumption is lower than Northern Europe.

00:07:13.220 Another country that really surprised me is the largest manga in the world is

00:07:17.180 France.

00:07:17.700 So another Catholic majority country there.

00:07:19.500 So,

00:07:19.580 and also hopefully this makes,

00:07:24.260 I think a lot of people like trolled the Vatican for when the Vatican created

00:07:28.340 that anime girl as like their mascot.

00:07:30.320 She was adorable.

00:07:33.840 Yeah,

00:07:34.100 it's really cute.

00:07:34.800 I wish they went all in with that.

00:07:36.200 Like the Vatican comes to town and little Vatican,

00:07:40.180 you know,

00:07:40.780 Catholic girls everywhere.

00:07:41.780 Yes.

00:07:42.940 To clarify here,

00:07:44.360 just because we think the Vatican did one base thing,

00:07:47.020 and I think this was definitely base,

00:07:49.000 does not mean that I do not think that they are an institution that is not

00:07:52.740 diabolically evil.

00:07:54.460 Recently with the Maduro thing,

00:07:57.040 they decided to stand Maduro and be like,

00:08:00.060 oh,

00:08:00.240 we're concerned about the United States,

00:08:02.860 you know,

00:08:03.240 with Maduro,

00:08:04.380 never complaining about,

00:08:05.820 you know,

00:08:06.360 the people being tortured under Maduro,

00:08:08.940 right?

00:08:09.580 When people don't understand what we mean when we say that Vatican is the

00:08:13.100 number one like enemy of like good in the world,

00:08:15.780 in the United States and our geopolitical interests,

00:08:18.460 just look at their reaction to Maduro,

00:08:20.680 right?

00:08:20.880 And I wanted to do today's episode on Maduro,

00:08:22.520 but Simone doesn't record on weekends.

00:08:24.060 So you guys are going to get that tomorrow.

00:08:25.600 I was telling Simone,

00:08:26.640 it's so funny how much I like our Catholic fans.

00:08:29.740 It's a bit like,

00:08:30.540 you know,

00:08:30.800 you meet somebody who's like a henchman for Hydra and they're like,

00:08:33.680 and they're like really chill and you like hanging out with them.

00:08:35.880 And then you're like,

00:08:36.380 but like,

00:08:37.260 why,

00:08:38.000 why do you,

00:08:38.780 why do you hinge for Hydra,

00:08:40.040 man?

00:08:40.380 And they're like,

00:08:40.920 oh yeah,

00:08:41.580 I mean,

00:08:41.780 I don't,

00:08:42.120 I don't,

00:08:42.580 I don't agree with everything,

00:08:43.900 you know,

00:08:44.180 the people at the top are all about.

00:08:46.840 And I'm like,

00:08:47.540 but then why?

00:08:48.640 And they're like,

00:08:49.080 no,

00:08:49.260 no,

00:08:49.380 no,

00:08:49.520 no,

00:08:49.640 you don't understand.

00:08:50.560 Every large corporation has some corruption at the top.

00:08:54.620 I mean,

00:08:55.220 the red skull,

00:08:56.000 he's just,

00:08:56.460 he's a, 0.94

00:08:56.860 he's a whack. 1.00

00:08:57.940 He's silly. 1.00

00:08:58.840 You know, 1.00

00:08:59.000 he does his own thing.

00:09:00.040 I'm just a,

00:09:00.740 you know,

00:09:00.980 a typical henchman.

00:09:01.940 I believe in the organization.

00:09:19.640 I thought she was great,

00:09:30.140 but you've got to keep in mind the context when you're looking at

00:09:32.940 Catholic majority countries like France being the number one

00:09:35.500 consumer of manga or Latin America being these fanatical

00:09:39.620 consumers of anime.

00:09:41.500 It might change your mind in terms of how normal these things

00:09:44.760 are in the mindset of a lot of these countries.

00:09:48.160 So Simone,

00:09:50.740 you said you had a theory.

00:09:51.440 What's your theory?

00:09:53.220 Japanese immigrants in Brazil,

00:09:55.680 Peru,

00:09:56.320 et cetera.

00:09:57.080 Like I didn't expect that until we moved there,

00:09:59.320 but then they were like,

00:09:59.940 Oh yeah,

00:10:00.240 no,

00:10:00.380 we just have a ton of Japanese immigrants there.

00:10:02.660 And here we are eating Japanese fusion food,

00:10:05.020 Nikkei all the time.

00:10:06.240 And I just hadn't realized that there was such a big Japanese 1.00

00:10:10.080 immigrant contingent.

00:10:11.640 Brazil had a quote unquote large Japanese immigrant population.

00:10:16.900 If you're looking at raw numbers,

00:10:19.220 if you look at it against the population that existed was in

00:10:22.640 Peru,

00:10:23.320 it is completely insignificant.

00:10:25.220 I mean,

00:10:25.500 Brazil is completely insignificant. 0.99

00:10:27.480 The only country was meaningful immigration when contrasted with 0.86

00:10:31.060 the existing population was Peru.

00:10:34.500 But,

00:10:35.260 and I'm pretty sure about this,

00:10:36.280 the Chinese immigrant population was larger than the Japanese one.

00:10:38.940 That was the dominant immigrant population in Peru.

00:10:41.640 I'm just going to check really quickly.

00:10:43.920 Still influential.

00:10:46.300 And I think if,

00:10:47.600 if you were to look at the immigrant population of Japanese immigrants in

00:10:52.820 Brazil and Peru versus the percentage of the population that is

00:10:59.640 Japanese immigrants in the United States.

00:11:01.700 Yeah,

00:11:01.920 I was right.

00:11:02.480 Chinese immigrants are much larger in Peru.

00:11:04.540 I would still guess that there is a higher percentage of Japanese immigrants in

00:11:11.200 Brazil and Peru than in the United States.

00:11:14.420 I'm going to bet you're wrong.

00:11:16.320 Really?

00:11:17.000 So let me pull this up.

00:11:17.820 Okay.

00:11:17.940 So,

00:11:18.340 percent of Peru descendant Japanese immigrant.

00:11:32.220 Okay.

00:11:32.940 So it's 0.1 to 0.3% of Peru's population.

00:11:36.020 Okay.

00:11:37.240 Percent of USA 0.5.

00:11:40.920 So not that different in the U S it's right in the middle there.

00:11:45.860 So 0.1 to 0.3% in Peru and the U S is 0.5.

00:11:49.880 So it's,

00:11:50.740 it's higher in the United States.

00:11:52.320 Yeah.

00:11:52.800 Okay.

00:11:53.160 Well then my theory is debunked.

00:11:56.260 Huh?

00:11:57.080 Wow.

00:11:57.560 So we'll go into the standard theory first and then we can go into my theories.

00:12:04.220 Okay.

00:12:04.580 Okay.

00:12:06.260 Okay.

00:12:07.340 So in the 1960s and 1970s,

00:12:09.920 when Japan animation was introduced as an affordable alternative to Western cartoons

00:12:13.360 due to budget constraints in local TV production,

00:12:16.000 networks like Mexico's televisionaza and TV Azteca,

00:12:20.380 as well as channels in Brazil and Argentina,

00:12:22.680 imported anime series because licensing rights were significantly cheaper than American productions.

00:12:26.600 I mean,

00:12:26.960 Nero Azacaro Milo,

00:12:28.960 then president of Televisa famously brought Japanese cartoons in the 1970s as the most cost effective option for filling airtime.

00:12:37.000 Early hits included Speed Racer,

00:12:39.360 known as Metro in Spanish,

00:12:41.480 Astro Boy and Princess Night,

00:12:43.500 which aired without heavy censorship,

00:12:45.440 unlike in the U S where violent blood and romantic elements were often edited out.

00:12:49.980 Now,

00:12:50.680 what I will note here,

00:12:52.280 and I think is important to note about anime's explosion in Latin America,

00:12:55.620 anime exploded in Latin America from the very,

00:12:59.660 very beginning of anime.

00:13:02.320 Yes.

00:13:02.960 Speed Racer is way back in the day.

00:13:05.140 Speed Racer,

00:13:06.240 Astro Boy,

00:13:07.360 Princess Night.

00:13:08.460 Princess Night,

00:13:09.120 by the way,

00:13:09.380 the largest collector of it is in Peru of like memorabilia for it.

00:13:12.840 Like we're talking like 70s era anime.

00:13:16.080 Yeah.

00:13:16.500 Wow.

00:13:17.000 Like,

00:13:17.380 like it didn't get popular.

00:13:18.840 It was like Dragon Ball Z or something like that.

00:13:20.960 Right.

00:13:21.480 Which is still considered ancient.

00:13:23.120 I mean,

00:13:23.760 you know how we,

00:13:24.520 how old we felt,

00:13:25.420 not that this is anime,

00:13:26.880 but when someone staying with us was talking about this really old animated film that she watched called Kung Fu Panda,

00:13:34.240 and we were like devastated.

00:13:36.300 Yeah.

00:13:36.560 She's like,

00:13:37.020 yeah,

00:13:37.160 there's this really old anime I watched.

00:13:38.920 That I watched when I was really little.

00:13:40.480 Anyway,

00:13:43.060 the 1980s marked a boom with series like Saint Seija dubbed Los Corlarios de Zeldacchio or Ramana one and two,

00:13:53.980 which became cultural staples.

00:13:55.160 These shows were dubbed into neutral Spanish or Portuguese with opening and ending songs often translated and performed by local artists.

00:14:03.320 For instance,

00:14:04.380 Saint Seija's theme was covered by bands like Vaz and remains iconic decades later.

00:14:09.680 In fact,

00:14:10.260 it was done by like a winner to like a huge acclaim in Peru on,

00:14:15.080 on,

00:14:15.260 on their major,

00:14:16.100 like,

00:14:16.680 you know,

00:14:17.000 stars singing show where like you go and you audition.

00:14:20.080 That was their like big moment.

00:14:22.760 You know,

00:14:23.000 like you have one of those moments where like somebody goes up. 0.81

00:14:25.500 I can't remember the one that happened in the UK where there's like ugly fat lady who goes up and sings and everybody loves her. 0.99

00:14:30.220 There was somebody going up and singing from an old anime.

00:14:39.680 There was a lot of,

00:15:00.940 the 1990s brought explosive growth with dragon ball which aired across the region and inspired

00:15:09.160 generation its success in latem even influenced its revival in the u.s after initial flops there

00:15:14.720 other series like sailor moon inuyasha and naruto followed with minimal changes e.g character names

00:15:21.200 adjusted for pronunciation a key factor in anime's enduring appeal and this is i do think an important

00:15:27.660 thing here so i'll go over the two things that i think were really big one i have actually mentioned

00:15:33.420 in my readout of explanations here but you may not have caught it or realized how different it

00:15:38.420 makes latin america than everywhere else that tried to air anime as cheap alternatives

00:15:42.260 do you know what it was just low cost right i mean like the thing that stood out to me in the things

00:15:50.020 you mentioned was low cost yeah but it should have been about equally low cost anywhere it was airing

00:15:55.220 like southern europe but southern europe had some like great og like illustrated cartoons and stuff

00:16:05.080 for kids as did the united states yeah they did have some because you had like asterisks and like

00:16:10.340 okay so the core thing that was different about the way anime was rolled out during that period

00:16:15.360 in the united states in southern europe in eastern europe and in latin america was twofold

00:16:21.460 the first actually does have to do with cost latin america is not actually a fragmented market

00:16:26.980 it looks like a fragmented market but pretty much everyone there speaks one of two languages

00:16:32.540 spanish or portuguese okay the animates could be dubbed centrally in mexico and just across the

00:16:40.480 region at a cheaper price than you could for example dub into all of southern european okay

00:16:47.320 that makes sense and i think this was by far more important

00:16:53.100 is they didn't censor it at all every other market that anime was dubbed into did heavy censorship from

00:17:03.280 the very beginning and they made it suck more basically like it was better because it wasn't

00:17:08.060 censored and they took out sex they took out you know um and that was always a big part of anime

00:17:14.720 when compared and and so keep in mind you're a young kid in one of these countries right and you

00:17:20.620 can watch american cartoons of that year period or you can watch anime right and so you're comparing

00:17:28.480 it to something like gi joe and you know people actually bleed when they get punched in this one

00:17:33.740 yeah die or people actually like you're is it i remember as a kid how important something being a

00:17:40.360 little edgy was to me and if i had those two things and keep in mind from their perspective

00:17:46.420 these two things are undifferentiated because they are both dubbed into their language right so i've

00:17:51.480 got these two things one just seems neutered and boring in comparison to the other right yeah

00:17:57.380 and also you don't have them really molesting with politics so funimation destroyed anime in the

00:18:03.300 united states oh anime companies should have contracted with funimation huge mistake next which was

00:18:09.940 really important to it becoming as big as it did was its similarities to telenovelas in terms of

00:18:19.140 so in the united states if you've watched like dragon ball z and you were a kid it can be a shocking

00:18:28.460 experience to you because every single effing episode ends with a cliffhanger in a way that

00:18:34.940 american cartoons just don't right yeah they're really a lot more self-contained that's a great

00:18:39.660 point yeah but if you watch to the end of like a dragon ball z episode it's a bunch of drama in a fight

00:18:49.980 right um maybe done with like balls or something and then like talking to each other and like whoa

00:18:55.340 you know but that in in structure really is not that different from the way a telenovela often

00:19:02.380 plays out that's very interesting the center of the conflict being two characters talking at each

00:19:08.780 other about their emotions which is not or or like you killed x person who was my half sister but

00:19:15.900 actually we were lovers and that is very similar to the way anime plays out and then every episode

00:19:23.900 ending was like a oh no can you imagine yeah the the the cliffhanger here and that just was not as

00:19:31.980 jarring to latin american audiences as it was to american audiences and it culturally fit what they were

00:19:37.740 already used to from the native types of storytelling and so if anything the american style storytelling

00:19:45.100 felt much weirder or more boring right so simone i another thing i wanted to talk about on this yeah

00:19:56.140 because we like our primary friend groups are latin american we work at a company like the companies

00:20:00.700 that we run are all based in latin america we used to live in peru i lived in mexico and brazil and

00:20:07.740 costa rica so a lot of latin american countries and i always feel like when i go back it's so funny

00:20:14.860 because like my core like world outside of this podcast is latin american and yet i go to my like

00:20:21.580 reunion at like the gsb and it feels like because they hear about us being like quote unquote great

00:20:27.260 replacement theories and it's like that scene good good i hear you're a racist now father 0.75

00:20:33.340 what what how did you get interested in that type of thing you said i'm a racist everyone's saying

00:20:41.660 it father should we all be racist now what's the official line the church is taking on this

00:20:48.380 oh no only the farm takes up most of the day and at night i just like a cup of tea i mightn't

00:20:55.260 be able to devote myself full time to the old racism and i'm like no no that's not me it's

00:21:02.540 it's reports have been grossly exaggerated and then the other part of our fan base is like this

00:21:07.340 lady are you father what oh this is comry good for you father but someone has a gut to stand up to

00:21:16.060 them at last coming over here taking our jobs and our women and acting like they own a second place 1.00

00:21:25.020 mexicans mexicans catholics more broadly 0.72

00:21:29.180 catholics they invented gayness and and we're like we have to be like no i i think they they 1.00

00:21:36.220 may have exaggerated our positions on a few things in that latest piece but anyway the the what i wanted

00:21:43.660 to get to was something i mentioned in another episode where i said that latin america was

00:21:47.260 culturally closer to the u.s than especially mexico i said it's culturally closer to the u.s and many other

00:21:53.660 regions yeah and somebody's like do you want to do a full episode on this and i'm like i don't really

00:21:58.780 want to do a full episode on it but i can go get a bit deeper into it here and this is something that

00:22:03.260 like unless you actually know a lot of latin americans i would not say that you have a lot

00:22:11.020 of opinions on because a lot of people who i know who say that this is not true either have not lived

00:22:15.340 outside the u.s a lot in different regions or they just don't know a lot of latin americans because the

00:22:21.260 things that they cite as being indicative of like the reasons latin americans are incompatible with

00:22:27.180 america are the same stuff that every catholic immigrant population has done in america ever you 0.99

00:22:33.820 know if you're talking about the crime wave well so did the irish and the italians you know they 1.00

00:22:38.540 mafia and the mob right organized crime was really big in those two countries we have an episode on why

00:22:42.780 it's so common in catholic majority country immigrant populations if if you're talking about them

00:22:47.660 refusing to integrate for a period you know i'd actually argue that the latin american immigrants

00:22:52.780 have integrated significantly faster like maybe twice or three times as fast as either the irish or

00:22:58.220 the italian immigrant waves did yeah that's i think that's fair and and so i just don't think that's

00:23:03.180 that's particularly fair if you look at their countries already their countries very similar to

00:23:08.060 the united states are countries of immigrants i.e you know they came from europe often conquered

00:23:16.860 native populations they are slightly more integrated with those populations in the united states

00:23:21.980 although the extent to which they're integrated with those populations i think is hugely overstated

00:23:26.300 so that they can be treated as bipoc if if you if you and again my pop my perspective on this is

00:23:32.300 always going to be a little uh biased because i'm a seventh generation texan but that means that you

00:23:38.780 know my family was there before and so that means for people who are from texas you you grow up in a

00:23:46.220 country that is already a latin american version of the united states so again that also makes it seem

00:23:52.140 not as distant so so like from my perspective if i'm just comparing them because people were asking

00:23:57.980 me about this they seem more cohesive with a sort of american values and tradition than the italian or

00:24:06.700 irish immigrant waves were yeah the sentence of some of those waves are well this isn't to say that

00:24:11.660 like i i would kick them out but but one of the questions is why are they and i think that part of

00:24:15.740 it is nerdy culture it's a nerdy frontier culture nerdy frontier culture i don't would you consider it

00:24:24.140 a frontier culture i don't know if you want to see a spectacular movie about this period of latin

00:24:29.020 american history watch the mask of zorro they want to destroy america give me the courage the strength 0.75

00:24:36.060 to wear the mask a little longer

00:24:44.140 the world isn't big enough to hide from me

00:24:48.220 yeah it is a frontier culture if you if you there's a great thing that went through all these

00:24:52.140 words that we think of as cowboy words oh yeah that are like super super spanish words

00:24:58.060 for example or there were a ton yeah on on star codex 10 he did like a summary of all of them

00:25:06.060 found it so buckaroo is vaquero cahoots is cohorts vamoose is vamonos or vamoose

00:25:15.100 who's gow is who's gato vittles is victuals or sorry victuals lariat is la riata

00:25:23.260 kimosabe is ke mos sabe he who knows the one who knows most tonto is is dummy mosey is is probably 0.80

00:25:33.660 also from vamoose like vamoose you know yeah tarnation was probably just a way to avoid saying

00:25:41.900 damnation so i decided to look up a clip of yosemite sam just to point this out to people

00:25:45.820 in the very first clip i found both has him either saying that most of yosemite sam is taking place 0.69

00:25:52.300 in mexico or that he is from mexico because he points out as being from the other side of the

00:25:58.060 rio grande and uses the term hombre to refer to other people for people who don't know that's

00:26:02.940 spanish yeah yosemite sam the roughest toughest he-man stuffest hombre has ever crossed a rio grande

00:26:11.580 posse latin verbal infinitive equals to be able to or have power boondocks is bundok which is tagalog

00:26:21.980 so not spanish but means mountains honcho is actually japanese turns out group leader

00:26:27.900 el legato the lizard became alligator over time savvy is sabe like nose like i know like it's a

00:26:40.300 conjugation of no in in spanish like he knows they know so yeah just tons there some of them are french

00:26:49.100 too but the the vast majority here so the point being is that when you think of the old west when you

00:26:56.060 think of the cowboy archetype about 50 of the cowboy archetype was mexicans yeah mexico yeah

00:27:06.620 this is not to say this wasn't a blended culture with the united states or that you know and i don't

00:27:12.220 ascribe to like the u.s stole mexican land or anything like that it's actually much more complicated

00:27:17.260 than that and there's a longer video i can make on that if people are interested in it yeah but the the

00:27:22.300 wider point here being is that across latin america you're dealing with a culture where the

00:27:27.180 core difference between them in american culture like i'm like where are they culturally different

00:27:32.220 from us pretty much everything that makes them culturally different comes from one of two things

00:27:37.820 slightly higher native population to start and a higher cath and and that they're catholic well and

00:27:44.780 a different language spanish or portuguese yeah but that makes them significantly closer to us

00:27:53.100 than any european immigrant group whether that's irish or german really the only european immigrant

00:27:58.780 group that i guess you could argue is culturally compatible with the u.s would be english because you

00:28:05.660 know at that point you could at least say well they're the same language so even though they're not

00:28:09.020 from a country that was made up of immigrant waves they they came from the seed culture of that

00:28:13.980 country maybe you could say that about germans as well because they were about 50 of like early

00:28:18.860 american immigrants in a lot of regions yeah but outside of that if you're talking about again

00:28:24.860 italian french irish spanish polish immigrant waves they're significantly more culturally distinct from

00:28:32.540 the united states than really any immigrant waves that's coming from latin america i'm not saying

00:28:36.620 this to say indiscriminate latin american immigration is a good thing i have long said i do not think it's

00:28:41.900 a good thing i'm just saying that we also need to be realistic about it especially when we consider

00:28:48.620 our blessing when contrasted with immigrant waves that are heading into europe which are very culturally 1.00

00:28:54.460 distinct from them yeah and second i think not understanding the similarities of the latin american

00:29:00.700 immigrant wave into the united states can lead us to making mistakes and act like deporting or dealing 1.00

00:29:08.940 with immigrant populations from regions that are not latin america should take equal priority to the

00:29:15.420 latin american immigrant waves which is where you get these you know giant you know caribbean for

00:29:21.820 example immigrant waves into the united states which are much more culturally distinct from the united states

00:29:27.180 than the latin american immigrant waves or immigrant waves from you know refugee populations in like

00:29:32.380 the middle east and people are like oh this is the same as like latin american immigrants it's like 0.95

00:29:36.060 no it's not the same as latin american immigrants and so if we're going to begin to recognize again

00:29:41.980 that different populations are actually different and that it is useful for us to understand this when

00:29:47.740 we are talking about immigrant waves and thinking about as i've always said the way i see diversity is that

00:29:53.740 it's like you never want diversity for its own sake but you also probably don't want just

00:30:01.100 the more you're you're probably better with like ingredients on a dish with a few complementary

00:30:07.340 ingredients a dish doesn't get better just because you've added more ingredients right you know some

00:30:12.220 ingredients just don't go with other ingredients and in a a culture where you know it is normal to marry 0.62

00:30:18.220 off your daughters at nine maybe doesn't go with a culture where sleeping with a nine-year-old is 1.00

00:30:23.260 illegal right like these two things might be culturally incompatible and that however is is not

00:30:30.540 really the case with latin america you don't you don't in the united states you know when you get

00:30:35.180 problems with like immigrant grapists in the united states it's it's literally because these people are 1.00

00:30:42.300 criminals where they came from and they're criminals here and the reason why they're able to get away 0.98

00:30:47.260 with their crimes is because the democrats are so f pussy footed around actually dealing with 0.98

00:30:53.980 criminals if they happen to be immigrants which is bad and and you do need stricter and i and i believe 0.53

00:30:59.180 this is true you do need much stricter policing in any region where you have a high proportion of catholic 1.00

00:31:05.420 immigrants because they're just more predisposed to criminality that's going to be clipped out but 1.00

00:31:10.380 if you look at the early irish waves if you look at the early italian waves how was the crime sprees

00:31:16.540 that came out of those waves dealt with they were dealt with an increase in sort of a police state

00:31:22.140 within those regions and if you look at the period after you have those initial immigrant waves places

00:31:27.500 like new york became something of a police state so i think that that we need to be realistic about why

00:31:33.660 you can't just take any population in whatever you want it wishy-washy you know anyway your thoughts

00:31:39.980 simone on the whole latin america nerd thing or latin america's cultural proximity to the united states

00:31:47.180 i can't hear you by the way

00:31:50.460 i know i muted myself because it's okay if he's crying you can still talk

00:31:55.020 i i like it i i think it's a sign of of greater compatibility plus also i feel like

00:32:01.660 the more nerdy collective is the the more i i'm comfortable trusting them and integrating them

00:32:07.340 into society because obviously we have a very nerd friendly bias here um so i'm all for it i love it

00:32:15.500 and i if i don't i don't know even if it isn't a sign of similarity i would say it's a sign of of

00:32:21.500 favorability yeah well i think that this also really applies with when we were talking about all of the

00:32:27.820 spanish words that are actually we associate with the old west when we talk about potentially

00:32:33.340 integrating a country like mexico um because we mentioned this in another podcast with the

00:32:38.300 revolts that are happening in mexico right now and it would help us a lot in terms of immigrant

00:32:42.780 waves because if you could put the border at the south of mexico it would actually be defensible

00:32:48.540 like that's an actually defensible short choke point if you put the border where we have it now

00:32:54.620 it's like literally comical to attempt to defend it like we we try but there's no way there's no

00:33:00.860 way you can't do it like it's it's it's going to be incredibly porous as it is right now but the

00:33:06.460 reason why mexico is uniquely cogent with u.s cultural history is because it's literally when

00:33:13.260 you're talking about the history of the old west if you're thinking about people in the cowboy hats

00:33:20.380 with the cowboy boots being a cowboy that lifestyle was practiced from the united states well into the

00:33:29.020 region we call mexico today that that is a even just it was just flat out in the region that was

00:33:34.620 mexico and eventually the united states took it and called it but i'm talking about still into the parts

00:33:40.220 that are mexico today sure it's not like it was just the parts that became the united states it was

00:33:45.420 a a culturally like the west was a culturally uniting thing and the core difference between

00:33:51.980 the two cultural groups was one was protestant and one was catholic um and yeah i mean people

00:33:57.500 know my thoughts on that but i i sort of feel like the cat's out of the bag already in the united states

00:34:01.980 with catholic immigrant groups so if if we're not going to oppose that then i don't see the reason to 0.94

00:34:09.180 oppose mexican integration i like it i like that you've you've turned your episode on latin american

00:34:17.980 weaves into a and this is why we should integrate with mexico

00:34:26.220 mexico 51st state let's go by the way their fertility rate is already below ours for people who don't know 0.88

00:34:32.540 and i also feel like right now like at least gen z in mexico is ready they're they're ready yeah and i would

00:34:38.220 say they're like culturally nothing like the united states i point out they're beating us in obesity

00:34:44.700 right now okay they're more american than americans they're beating us in obesity yeah i thought man we

00:34:51.020 were like we're we're number one we're number one and now we're not anymore we have to integrate them

00:34:55.500 to regain our status regain our status and obesity anyway again i'm not actually pushing for for

00:35:02.620 integration in mexico i i i think it's probably not worth that it would just cost too much i just think

00:35:07.660 right now mexico's way too much of a security liability i i don't i don't think that the

00:35:12.380 gangs are as easy to take out as a lot of people think they are i think that i mean this is a it's

00:35:18.380 a distributed guerrilla insurgency you don't just take that out easily even though we have amazing

00:35:25.020 military might they're very very difficult to take out no more dealing with the the mexican gangs 1.00

00:35:31.740 would one because they threaten politicians so frequently you'd basically need to remove democracy

00:35:36.540 from the region for a period and two the war to deal with these gangs would look like what's

00:35:41.900 happening in gaza right now yeah well and also like mexico is a huge country just like to to fully put

00:35:49.420 them down would be much harder than it would be in gaza gaza it's a concentrated very small

00:35:55.260 geographic region like mexico like there's a lot of places to hide i don't i mean it's i i don't know

00:36:04.700 how i would deal with it so it's a very tough there's also a benefit to having mexico on our 0.99

00:36:09.100 border that a lot of people don't think about which is doing manufacturing in mexico is artificially

00:36:14.860 cheap because of the gangs really yeah so if you were to set up these days because it's gotten so

00:36:21.420 expensive in china it is cheaper on a on a per labor cost to set up a factory in mexico than it

00:36:27.820 is in china for because of the gangs yeah so mexico should have experienced the same phenomenon china 0.99

00:36:35.180 did i mean they've got nafta to their advantage they're right next to us it should be oh to become

00:36:39.660 more expensive but because of the gangs it's artificial wages should have gone up in mexico it 0.89

00:36:45.020 should have industrialized but it hasn't been able to because of the gangs

00:36:51.580 that makes sense which again is common historically in most catholic majority countries i mean if you

00:36:58.380 look at the gangs that basically ruled either ireland or italy for periods it was really horrible

00:37:03.660 yeah well at least they have anime okay they have anime all right love you to death

00:37:15.820 i'm gonna join the other room in four minutes i just need to change his diaper and give it so the 0.59

00:37:22.060 episode today my my conspiracy theory on people largely agree with you but i now theorize that there's

00:37:30.460 this autist schizo spectrum when it comes to these things where if you are more autistic you're more 0.65

00:37:38.940 likely to assume that this is just people being incompetent and just no one really doing their jobs

00:37:46.300 and if you're more on the schizo spectrum you assume that it's a bunch of people she's calling

00:37:50.620 her husband a schizo by the way people here yes i am well i'm gonna need to beat you after this we 0.99

00:37:55.900 gotta schedule that because the beatings oh on air and call your husband a schizo 1.00

00:38:02.620 well but i completely agree with you i i'm definitely the schizo here and you're definitely

00:38:07.100 the autist here and i think that that's why the the podcast works um because you know people act like

00:38:13.020 we think very similarly but i don't think that we do to be honest no i don't think they i don't think

00:38:18.220 they think that i don't think i think we think super similarly but yeah people people are loving

00:38:23.900 loving your theories oh he's pooping that's why well i was really disappointed that tucker whiffed this

00:38:31.820 one so bad sorry this was filmed a while ago so you're not sure what i'm talking about i'm talking

00:38:35.500 about tucker carlson complaining about epstein something something something is real there was 0.95

00:38:41.820 one part of it where he like specifically like that was like almost embarrassingly stupid 0.97

00:38:46.860 where he had to bring up that the phone was cracked by uh technology invented by a 0.93

00:38:53.580 israeli company oh my gosh gives the screen that look like you know what's up

00:39:00.620 they didn't still control it when the you know the fbi was using it you know

00:39:06.300 oh my god tucker's brain is so cooked we did lose for the first time podcast subscriber like paid

00:39:14.140 subscribers for the for the episode where we suggested cutting off aid to israel as a pass to 0.96

00:39:20.140 reduce anti-semitism but you know what you gonna do screw us what i mean i i get it and and people 0.56

00:39:30.220 are entitled to pay for what they want to hear so i respect that but thanks to everyone who does

00:39:37.740 support us it makes a huge difference we really appreciate it oh where did you hear that i said

00:39:49.180 who says dang it titan does titan does yeah where did you hear that word

00:39:56.300 on the chairs on the chairs yeah on the tv

00:40:08.060 from stacy and john yeah from alia yeah which one

00:40:14.220 stacy and john does mommy say dang it yeah no no no no mommy you don't say danger i don't no no

00:40:33.100 i say worse words when i'm angry it's true what what do i say when i'm angry titan

00:40:45.740 you cry i cry yeah oh what do you say when you're angry titan i cry too oh okay

00:40:55.820 well i want you to be happy titan yeah

00:41:02.780 because it's it's really important to me that you become a happy shark princess

00:41:07.820 yeah but who knows creaky man

00:41:13.100 creaky man yeah who's creaky man nobody's creaky man oh then i guess nobody knows creaky man

00:41:21.980 yeah yeah yeah but where does creaky man live well if there is no creaky man i guess he doesn't live

00:41:30.380 anywhere but but where does the creaky man live the creaky man yeah i don't know i don't know about a

00:41:40.940 creaky man maybe there is one but i don't know him do you know the creaky man yeah tell me about him

00:41:48.860 i think the creaky man lives in a cave in a cave that makes a lot of sense yeah

00:41:59.900 it lives in the cave and they're so spooky in the cave hmm that definitely makes sense

00:42:07.260 the creaky man do lives in the cave he do lives in a cave yeah a giant cave yeah does the cave have

00:42:18.300 a refrigerator in it no the giant cave there's nothing in it only creaky man yeah it has a creaky man

00:42:30.940 and that's a pink cave a pink cave yeah where my two favorite goes a pink and purple is it a fabulous cave

00:42:40.220 creaky man yeah yeah pink and purple on the cave so it's a pink cave and it's fabulous creaky man lives

00:42:52.780 in it it does not have a refrigerator yeah aside from creaky man there's nothing else in the cave is

00:42:59.740 there anything else in the cave that's pink and purple yeah what what else is in the cave

00:43:05.340 there might be pink and purple and blue in there what what in there is pink and purple and blue 0.99

00:43:13.580 furniture does he have a couch does he have a bed yeah does he have a dog

00:43:18.780 does he have dinner i think so what does he eat he eats carrots and dinosaur nuggets and ketchup

00:43:34.860 really who else eats carrots and dinosaur nuggets and ketchup

00:43:38.460 we do oh is creaky man us no he's not oh okay let's just checking the creaky man 0.58

00:43:51.900 oh a cave a cave a pink cave yeah pink and purple and some blue yeah there's some blue on your face did

00:44:02.300 you know that yeah i think you drew on your face with your pens

00:44:12.220 i love you titan i love you too mommy

00:44:17.740 when you finish your dinosaur nugget okay yeah

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