Based Camp - Hoe_Math： Is There Any Realistic Path Left For Men？

00:00:00.000 hello this is malcolm collins and we are today here with home math i think that you so articulately

00:00:06.880 pull apart the problems with modern dating particularly from a male perspective and

00:00:13.360 you do it in a way that is more realistic than us because i always have to assume that there's

00:00:19.220 some way out of this like i in my head like i'm like okay like it's astronomically bad right now

00:00:25.660 but there's got to be like i have to tell people things with the assumption that we save civilization

00:00:29.760 yeah it's nice to feel that way if you if you can but you can figure out yes but that's what i want

00:00:38.640 to talk about with you is yeah you're forced to try to see a pass through this for a young man

00:00:45.400 or for society how do you do it so for a young man there are two ways of going about it you can either

00:00:53.580 be really selfish and you can try to figure out how to just be your your the harem master you know

00:00:59.300 because that's where things are going we just things have broken down and if you can turn

00:01:03.320 yourself into a local i think they call it a contextual alpha a local 10 then you can yeah

00:01:09.400 then you can just win on in your small pond if you can find a pond small enough because even out in

00:01:15.840 like you drive five hours east of portland oregon and you get to towns where the girls just leave

00:01:22.480 like all the pretty girls are just like well i can get someone to ship me somewhere else so

00:01:25.980 yeah there really aren't yeah there really aren't any small towns any small ponds anymore

00:01:31.260 this is what people do like i did this a lot in high school around like subgroups like it's oh you

00:01:36.520 want to hang out with the goths because there isn't like a chad in the goth yeah that's why the goths do

00:01:41.760 that because it's about the makeup and not about like you know competing i say it's just like a

00:01:46.420 it's a way to jump off to the side and say i'm the top of something else so there's that and then

00:01:52.200 there's trying to fix society this one's easier it's easier it's more rewarding trying to fix

00:01:57.440 society is what i'm trying to do because i don't i wouldn't find any satisfaction in this it just

00:02:02.360 i don't see any reason to to accelerate the problem if it's going to cause i mean it causes

00:02:08.880 society to break down you know yeah and i don't want to live in a broken down society i find it very

00:02:14.220 unpleasant so i'm trying to fix it and i'm doing that by i don't know if you guys are aware that i have

00:02:20.220 a subscription product based on this this mind map that i made called self no go into this i want

00:02:25.560 yeah so i was promising people to make a map like really really early on when i was making content

00:02:32.200 i said i was going to cover everything that you need to maximize about yourself in order to you know

00:02:38.500 get the best possible position you can in the dating market and i started doing this and i said

00:02:43.300 well everything is kind of kind of tied to everything else so i needed to make an entire system of how the

00:02:48.700 mind works it starts with what you want what you want moves into the way that you think and then

00:02:53.100 your things your your the things you think about move into the behaviors you choose and the way you

00:02:57.960 appear to others which interact with your environment create your situation and then you view it and then

00:03:02.680 you can think about that again change what you want or change what you do so i just put it all on

00:03:07.460 paper and i have a couple of developers who are coding this into a system so you can go to the site

00:03:13.460 and type in like i don't know what i want and there's a what do you want exercise and it figures

00:03:18.260 out what you want and then it says well what are you doing and where where would you go to get what

00:03:22.420 you want so it leads you through the process so this is as how far i'm going to try to fix society

00:03:29.700 i'm creating ai apps that you know are 10 bucks a month so that people can go how do i you know

00:03:35.440 pick myself up out of this mess and i'm going to give i'm going to fill it with exercises and i'm

00:03:43.380 going to try to structure it as much as possible to not let people use it in that in in that way

00:03:49.220 to you know yeah people yeah people i love this because it is very similar to the system that we did

00:03:56.440 in our first book ages ago we built a system for like improving yourself and it's very similar

00:04:02.580 to what you structured there which is to say you know we say first decide like what you think has

00:04:07.620 intrinsic value and we go through all the things a person might think has value then build your like

00:04:12.440 ideological tree of how you see reality which will have like a core stump that might be like a theology

00:04:18.960 or might be like a political worldview and then it branches into micro hypotheses and then with these

00:04:24.700 two things craft the version of yourself that would best be able to maximize your things of intrinsic

00:04:31.780 value yeah because it doesn't people always like oh be be who you really are and i'm like there is

00:04:36.140 no who you really are that's just like who the world serendipitously made you that's funny because

00:04:40.820 these are things that i have been saying recently i i have a video i'm working on called the table you

00:04:45.520 know how are you familiar with the dating language how the guys will say what do you bring to the table

00:04:49.420 and the girls will say i am the table yeah so the the male version of that is i want her to like me for

00:04:55.820 me and i'm making a video that's based on there's there's no you there's only things people can see

00:05:01.500 about you and you can control some of those so that's that's interesting that you said that and

00:05:07.980 at the same time you had the same idea for the structure of how this works i i said recently i think

00:05:13.020 on a tweet probably i tweet a lot i said that when you find the same when you find the truth it's always

00:05:19.000 the same truth as everyone else who found the truth because the truth is true yeah i i completely agree

00:05:25.000 another thing that we say in that book that that probably aligns with stuff that you said before

00:05:28.780 is everyone is a you you are a side character in everyone else's you know life you have ever met

00:05:37.180 and if you try to structure the you that they're interacting with to be a main character you're going

00:05:41.720 to come off like a mary sue and side characters are simplistic they have easy to understand flaws

00:05:47.740 they fit into stereotypes and if you can craft yourself into that type of person you're going to fit

00:05:54.800 much easier into the life of whether it's a woman or somebody else because they're going to have a

00:05:59.700 slot they can fit you in yeah yeah that's i think you're talking about kind of like development like

00:06:06.080 ego development there that people tend to think of they they begin life thinking about themselves and

00:06:13.700 their needs and we are i i made a video recently uh about the maturity crisis and about how people are

00:06:20.100 not climbing up the levels of development this is just a short yeah i'm gonna print out a whole page

00:06:24.600 but are you familiar with ken wilber no i don't think either of us are no what did he like coin this

00:06:31.820 like term the maturity crisis i mean we're all talking about infantilization but yeah no he he

00:06:37.120 conglomerated a bunch of different systems of like spirituality and psychological development and so on

00:06:42.880 and so forth this is he has a system called all quadrant all level this is my depiction of the

00:06:47.940 quadrants it's about how you have to if you're looking at a situation you have to understand the

00:06:53.500 interior of your mind the outer of the experience and then the collective of both so the culture and

00:06:58.500 the system and then there's also developmental psychology which is the part that people always

00:07:02.540 are always the most interested in and the maturity crisis is i don't know if i coined that term i

00:07:08.220 might have heard a few people use it but i don't know who they were and it's basically that what's

00:07:13.100 happening right now is we live in a culture where everybody is especially the men are not growing up

00:07:20.280 to the level where it would be if you're using the lawrence colberg level set of levels that would be

00:07:26.860 law and order morality and men are not growing up to that they're staying in the good boy morality so

00:07:32.160 you're seeing a bunch of grown men who are like look at me i'm doing the nice thing and it's that

00:07:36.800 doesn't work it doesn't keep society going men have to men typically develop more than women on

00:07:42.960 average women tend to stay on average in the good girl stage and men move into the law and order stage

00:07:48.480 and that would be levels three and four out of six but now we're seeing a lot of people stay in the lower

00:07:54.360 in the lower stages so i think that you've captured something really huge here that i want to pull out

00:08:01.060 which is to say that if we look at the challenges that we're facing as a society right now

00:08:06.020 in part within dating markets and stuff like that it's it's it's true it's not just easy it's also

00:08:11.800 true to look at the market and say well the market has the switching costs are too low for women right

00:08:17.900 now and it leads to all of these problems of your man dating and everything like that but these are

00:08:22.620 things that you and i cannot fix so we've got to look at the bigger structural problems and what the

00:08:29.060 biggest structural problem that society has right now is that people are not given the mental

00:08:35.280 scaffolding and tools to build complex metaphysical frameworks for right and wrong and about structuring

00:08:43.980 their lives yeah and ironically i think a lot of this came i'm going to say like from i don't know

00:08:50.540 if you're our like the the religious like right side created a lot of this problem in the 80s and

00:08:57.800 90s when they were like kids can't be taught anything other than the metaphysical framework i'm giving

00:09:04.380 them at home in school and so the school then stopped teaching all of that stuff and then and

00:09:11.760 they became afraid to talk about like meaning and purpose and why you exist and so then the home life

00:09:19.380 became secular and now all of a sudden that entire framework both the school and the home is giving

00:09:24.540 people no reason to exist right exactly where we we no longer have any cultural cohesion around meaning

00:09:31.080 and that is it's very ironic because it actually stems from a pretty high level of development this

00:09:38.020 the sixth one here i gave them rainbow colors to make them easier to remember the wilbur system is

00:09:43.200 everybody makes a different set of levels and they call them beige and tangerine and all kinds of

00:09:47.460 nonsense no one can remember so at level six what has happened since the 60s this was the first

00:09:53.160 emergence of it this is like ancient this is like homeless people this is like tribes this is like the roman

00:09:59.560 empire this is like medieval times industrial times and the information age basically and the morality

00:10:05.140 that that emerged around the 1960s beginning in the very early late industrial early information age

00:10:10.320 is that there's any way to look at things anyone can look at things anyway and it's all valid so yeah

00:10:17.400 that's a very high level of development but it also means that you can't run a school you can't run a

00:10:23.700 government because everyone disagrees on what's the right way to see things and if all you ever do is talk

00:10:29.100 about well here's how i see it here's how i see it then people never actually learn the rules so this

00:10:34.340 level tends to dissolve this one so people cannot climb the ladder that's a running theme for millennials

00:10:40.600 and gen z and whoever comes next that they're not able to climb the ladder of of wealth and of maturity

00:10:45.960 and of of they're not replacing the boomers in their jobs because they don't have the skills they seem to

00:10:51.480 have cut out the the path upwards in development i want to hear your thoughts on something i feel

00:10:59.060 i've been seeing recently which is the rise of what i call and where would it be on this chart

00:11:03.640 of aesthetic morality where like a lot of people when they're breaking morality systems down it'll be

00:11:09.180 like oh you know it it might be a consequentialist morality it might be a deontological morality but

00:11:13.640 then i've noticed this new morality where when people are asking what they should do or what choice

00:11:18.240 they should make it's about fulfilling of specific aesthetic vision of what a good version of

00:11:25.200 themselves is and an example of this when it really hit me that some people were doing this

00:11:29.360 i was watching this influencer hamza who's like a masculine world sort of like an andrew tate type

00:11:34.100 influencer and he was talking about one difficult decision he had in his life about like should he move

00:11:39.240 to the city or the countryside for like where he was working and then he asked himself what was the

00:11:43.380 most masculine decision like a man what would what would the man do in this context and i started to

00:11:51.020 as soon as i saw him say that i started to realize that so many of the influencers who are packaging

00:11:56.080 systems of like how to act for people package it around some aesthetic ideal whether it is what would

00:12:03.080 a good christian do or what would a man do or what would a woman do and we've even gotten to the state

00:12:08.400 where we've confused genders with with moral ideals yeah when you say aesthetic is that a word i should

00:12:17.260 know aesthetic i'm mispronouncing the word aesthetic like oh oh i'm sorry yeah aesthetic like visual like

00:12:23.340 sensory yeah but also i mean i think he means identity like i mean people also have become

00:12:29.200 incredibly obsessed with their identities their brands as though okay this is my now my identity i need

00:12:36.040 to change everything about my life to fit it and all of my decisions are going to be downstream of

00:12:41.340 what conforms with this identity rather than my values yeah yeah yeah i understand what you mean

00:12:48.420 now sorry about that i i i think that what you're talking about is people that are are so desperate

00:12:53.400 for identity that they're buying like pre-packaged almost like a brand name like they just want

00:12:57.840 like a box of pancake mix that you just stir and you have a thing they're just like i just want to buy

00:13:02.620 a being a thing yeah and so they they go to andrew tate university and then they go i'm andrew tate

00:13:08.660 now that's that's my identity is i'm just going to be the next andrew tate i opened this up on my

00:13:12.660 computer by the way i had a larger map that i made of the wilbur levels so yeah it's it's it's large

00:13:18.920 i'm going to make it printable at some point but yeah i've noticed that as well that people are people

00:13:24.700 are purchasing identity especially when they have less of it and that comes from people who recently

00:13:31.840 immigrated into a country and people who don't have strong parenting and who don't don't come

00:13:40.380 from a from any kind of tradition and it seems like almost like already we don't have any for any

00:13:47.480 form of enduring identity now well i don't you also think it's kind of a failure caught the whole

00:13:53.640 question but no no i think it's a failure to become an adult because i feel like as kids we tend to like

00:13:59.520 to buy identities right like i'm a goth or i'm an e-girl now or whatever and then as we grow up we

00:14:06.520 discover like oh wait i have inherent values and can kind of make my own self in the world and also

00:14:11.800 the way i manifest i don't have to be part of a team like i think it's maybe part of this

00:14:15.800 infantilization that you're talking about too yeah i think we just yeah continue yeah i think it

00:14:23.880 definitely is i i this was part of the video that i was talking about with the maturity crisis

00:14:27.860 how i i just drew these three different versions of of what you can be as an adult you can either be

00:14:34.300 just the man child or the guy who's just getting wrecked because you have all of the responsibility and

00:14:39.240 you get nothing for it but there's a way through that i'm trying to encourage people because

00:14:44.400 like it's true the system is just not helping people grow up if you go to college you get in

00:14:50.880 debt and then you go into the work world they just you just get used and i don't know i don't know how

00:14:58.820 to teach people how to run businesses i'm trying to teach people to go to get good at something that

00:15:03.820 they can't take away from you so you can grow up and be mature and develop competence without

00:15:08.520 spending all your time just being soaked for all of your living energy yeah but we are having yeah we

00:15:16.620 are having a a lot of i don't really know what to say to them when they show up in my comments and

00:15:21.740 and my you know in my in my mentions or whatever i don't know what to tell these guys like hey stop

00:15:27.380 enjoying your life and go do something hard that doesn't work you know well i one of the things and

00:15:34.640 i have like this is not your your attitude with this stuff but it's one that i've been beginning

00:15:39.060 to adopt more and more is is i i and we talked about this in a recent like the genocide of males

00:15:44.620 video where i'm like you know there was a period in human history if you go to the early agricultural

00:15:49.000 period where one man was breeding for every 14 women and even if you look at the past generation

00:15:56.500 it's 60 i think it was like 62 of males had kids and something like 82 of women had kids and it's like

00:16:04.640 we males are biologically designed to be disposable by society yes and people come to me and they go

00:16:13.160 how do i what's the system that's going to win for every male and i'm like no it's not gonna win for

00:16:20.360 every male but part of the cool thing about it is is the core reason why a lot of males are going to

00:16:28.420 fail is not looks or height or anything like that it that i think to an extent biologically or due to

00:16:36.760 what happened to them before in their life they're not able to engage with the types of systems that

00:16:41.860 you're putting in front of them they're not able to say okay now i'm gonna do the hard thing yeah

00:16:46.500 yeah they're not having an opportunity to do that for sure i want to continue i think i can see

00:16:54.240 simone speaking but i can't hear her you're muted simone sorry the the i'm next to a baby and she's

00:17:00.580 also trying to join in i'm trying to keep her but is i'm thinking about this and trying to think what i

00:17:06.800 would do if i were a dude and i would probably want to know with some certainty what bucket i'm in

00:17:13.460 like am i in the bucket of people who are going to reproduce and have success or should i go into

00:17:22.380 basically the mig tau bucket and just have a really good life kind of live mostly off the grid

00:17:26.740 hike have a dog collect cars like ride my motorcycle have a good time and then you know

00:17:32.500 like euthanize myself so i don't die alone and get eaten by my dog yeah kind of that's a lot of them

00:17:37.920 also don't have the money to do those things like they're never getting a motorcycle you know

00:17:42.100 so it's not only are they not going to make it with the ladies but they also are like delivering

00:17:48.520 pizza 10 hours a week and living with mom yeah yeah so i don't know like i don't know what to say

00:17:53.640 to them they're that i keep i don't know if i have a drawing of it i guess i'll draw it while i'm

00:17:58.260 talking to you but i keep giving them the same image over and over uh the same symbol which i'm

00:18:05.340 using for self max my product is just a red upward pointing arrow to symbolize that really no matter

00:18:13.380 where you are and what you're doing in life all living things have to be going somewhere you have

00:18:19.000 to be growing because everything else around you is moving so you have to be headed somewhere yeah and

00:18:25.260 that's what that's what the like if you can cultivate that mindset then everything else will naturally

00:18:31.300 emerge from it i don't know what specifics to tell most of these people but if i can at least give

00:18:39.940 them the attitude of i should be looking for something like instead of sitting on the couch and

00:18:44.760 there's just a lot going on in the younger generations that i think the older ones don't

00:18:49.720 get like gen z tells me that nobody leaves the house anymore i tell them you should go do events and go

00:18:56.360 out and go be public and they say but you get there and it's just like three dudes you know yeah you

00:19:01.740 know honestly though like have you been out recently it sucks they're not wrong oh my god this

00:19:07.000 happened to me recently where i went to a thing with my kids right like i i remember when i was a

00:19:12.020 kid i go to like a birthday party so i went to a birthday party not a single parent talked to each

00:19:16.360 other the entire time all of them were there with phones like i don't even think it's like just gen z

00:19:21.940 like we as a society have just been like why do you and and so as gen z they're having this problem

00:19:27.900 and what i wanted to ask you about is but almost like what next because you know you're talking

00:19:32.960 about the guy on the moped and everything like that as we see ai take more and more jobs

00:19:38.720 where do you how do you think like dating markets adapt to that how do you think that people because

00:19:44.380 we need to be asking these questions ourselves like anyone who's young today is like okay given

00:19:49.160 where ai is going to be in 15 years what skill do i learn what do i do how do you think about that

00:19:54.900 i don't think about it that's scary thanks for ruining my day and that's i don't i really don't

00:20:01.520 know what people are going to do that's going to be worth anything i think that

00:20:04.880 as we automate everything like we've lost our manufacturing i don't know if we're getting it

00:20:10.360 back if if ai actually does grow to the point where the lower levels of intellectual labor are

00:20:18.120 not needed and maybe even higher ones maybe we have ai lawyers at some point oh we will no no i'm

00:20:23.060 sorry but like what like harvard mbas stanford mbas are already seeing pretty severe delays in the

00:20:31.260 rates at which they're getting hired these are the top mba programs i think the harvard it was

00:20:35.840 13 of last year's class is unemployed right now that's crazy like they'll eventually get jobs for

00:20:41.420 now well i don't know maybe but like no we're talking like white collar elite jobs are not going

00:20:47.980 to assist anymore but anyway carry on yeah you well sure do we do you do we know that's because of ai

00:20:53.660 or is it just like it's because it's because if you listen to like the all-in podcast for example

00:20:58.860 like these vcs and ceos are like oh man yeah like i'm now using chat gpt's premium feature to do work

00:21:06.960 that i used to hire like mckenzie to do i like you know fifty thousand dollars and it's yeah that's

00:21:11.920 the part that i hadn't heard yeah yeah that's really yeah it is exceptional work like being an analyst now

00:21:18.320 basically like sorry you're done being a lawyer forget that like lawyer stuff's easy the one thing

00:21:24.360 that's going to be hard is like managing court cases like civil and criminal court cases in in

00:21:29.200 the court of law but that's honestly very easily surmountable so yeah we're screwed yeah i think

00:21:34.060 people are going to have to learn to either you know not want things or go farm you know go do go

00:21:41.140 homestead because if we have a technology infrastructure that gets everything done without as many people

00:21:47.880 needing to do it then well we can't all be delivering each other uber eats that's if you

00:21:54.660 if you're delivering uber eats you don't make enough money to buy uber eats so i don't know if we're going

00:22:00.360 to get uh unlimited what was it universal universal basic income i guess it's unlimited i don't know if

00:22:06.380 we're going to get that but if we do i don't think that's very good either because the you know the

00:22:11.000 the leftist view of things is that you know that things happen like this by themselves like

00:22:17.640 capitalism the money goes to the top the female attention goes to the top it's sort of nature just

00:22:21.760 does that and the leftist solution is well why don't we just like redistribute it down to the bottom

00:22:26.880 and if you do that then the the worst examples of humanity thrive as much as the best there has to be

00:22:33.800 something that differentiates quality people from low quality people yeah well they also it's not

00:22:39.420 persistent like every time that has been attempted the elite groups or the descendants of elite

00:22:45.020 groups that got disenfranchised end up like taking over she's talking about in china where they

00:22:50.000 inverted society and if you look today at the people in government positions they're actually the

00:22:54.460 the distant kids of like the people who are disenfranchised but i think a more interesting

00:22:58.200 thing are you familiar with the sam altman ubi study and what happened was that no oh it's so crazy

00:23:03.680 okay so they for three years gave out a thousand dollars a month to one group of people and then to

00:23:08.640 another group it was fifty dollars a month so they could sort of control for the two groups

00:23:11.840 the group that was given a thousand dollars a month at the end of the the experiment had what

00:23:17.560 was it thirty thousand dollars less in total wealth and i think it's just like three thousand dollars it

00:23:21.880 wasn't that much but basically they they worked less they didn't spend more time with their children

00:23:26.060 yeah and they did not they had materially less wealth which they just got lazy yeah they got lazy

00:23:32.460 they got lazy there was another study done on this recently that sort of backed up this result

00:23:37.140 that we'll probably do another episode on but it drew me recently when i was thinking about this

00:23:41.300 like what happens if you have ubi intergenerationally and somebody on youtube was had a really insightful

00:23:45.600 thing here where they were looking at native american communities that had gotten massive government

00:23:49.540 grants for like intergenerationally and how that destroyed the communities entirely and it made me

00:23:56.380 realize just how badly ubi can rot a culture if you attempt to do it multiple generations in a row

00:24:03.440 yeah yeah and we you know we've had families in america we've had generations and generations of

00:24:10.840 people who have been just on welfare i think that that's going on a lot of inner cities i think that's

00:24:16.280 been going on in appalachia for a while like ever since they gutted the manufacturing industry there

00:24:20.240 the entire rust belt is just kind of on food stamps i think that that's i don't know how you get out of

00:24:26.320 that i don't know what we do about it there has to be some way to make people do this to to make

00:24:32.720 people you know try something and then and then separate them out into people that succeed and

00:24:37.920 people that don't and the people that don't succeed you can't have like 90 of them starving

00:24:42.860 because then they're just going to get angry i don't know you know i don't know what the i know

00:24:49.760 what the what the what the principles are i don't know what we see how it's going to play out if if

00:24:54.400 things don't change actually like i think it's pretty simple is one we do get some form of ubi like

00:25:00.220 everyone will be fed and two it's actually not going to be that expensive to keep people

00:25:05.720 we'll say like not violent radicals because basically between ai and like just really good

00:25:11.560 virtual environments they're going to be living in sort of fantasy worlds where they do live a good

00:25:16.220 life and have their virtual girlfriends and boyfriends and you know children and whatever

00:25:21.120 so they're they're out living a fantasy that's not real but in essentially they're just kind of like

00:25:26.460 being euthanized early yeah they don't have kids they they basically don't inherit the future and

00:25:31.580 they also sort of opt out of reality because they're no longer working they're only basically

00:25:35.480 consuming money and food and living in their little pleasure pot of you know virtual ai driven

00:25:39.680 fantasy then there's this small subset of society that does like catch the red arrow they they move

00:25:47.900 upward maybe some of them air gap and become like amish and sort of like like you were saying

00:25:52.000 homestead and live off the land maybe there are some other groups that choose to build

00:25:55.700 some form of agency in the world that is is is useful to ai and and compliant with it and then

00:26:03.600 of course there's like the very very elite that are empowered by the ai and that utilize it and

00:26:08.920 live in their world cities but basically like all those people at the bottom are basically they're

00:26:14.120 just being genocided i don't know how else to put it but like they're just going to be wiped out they

00:26:17.820 will not exist and and it's not just men it's women too but it's certainly way more men than women

00:26:23.480 oh it's going to be yeah it'll be like 80 of the male population and and yeah probably about half

00:26:29.300 of the women yeah seeing that that's roughly the number that are you know empowering themselves by

00:26:34.900 not having kids exactly and i think some people hear this and they're like come on are we really

00:26:40.600 going to move into a society where rich men take like 11 wives i'm like excuse me do we have elon

00:26:46.320 here do we have yeah do we have andrew tate in the room like yeah it's not even that though like

00:26:50.700 when you look at and i can't remember the exact number of like men who have children versus women

00:26:57.100 who have children what like 60 percent of men i already get that statistic in this it's 60 to 80

00:27:01.760 percent okay yeah and so yeah just the point that like men already are basically they're not having

00:27:07.800 concurrent wives or or partners at the same time but that just like the serial partnering is the same

00:27:13.800 thing function yeah the more desirable men just have an easier time and that's just the way that

00:27:19.600 nature works that's how that's how walruses do it too i made it put them in my last video about it

00:27:24.100 yeah we we have to accept some degree of that but at the same time you have to have enough people

00:27:30.340 doing the stuff that like i i don't know when are we going to have when are we going to be at the

00:27:35.980 point where we have robots planting the seeds harvesting the crops bringing them to the truck

00:27:42.800 bringing them to the processing plant processing them all the way until someone has to eat them

00:27:46.680 and and then if the if the robots are doing that then who's eating the food then because there's no

00:27:52.500 one's needed to do i think we're basically already there with with crops i mean crops right now is

00:27:58.060 it's one guy on like an automated system doing what there there's really really high variance some

00:28:05.380 crops are 100 hand-picked still some are to a great extent depending on the farm completely machine

00:28:11.640 and it's really impressive to see some of these machines that are like very very advanced and

00:28:16.760 granular but yeah like yeah i've seen i've seen some pretty interesting ones i love i love that

00:28:21.460 stuff it's so it's so fun yeah they have one that knocks only the green potatoes out as they throw them

00:28:27.220 in yeah oh god i love that i love that but i just i think the thing is people are so not ready for

00:28:33.140 this yeah and it is going to blindside our society i want to talk about women for a second here

00:28:38.700 what would you do so we've got uh two girls right now what would you be telling a daughter if you

00:28:44.400 were raising one oh boy that's interesting if i was raising well how old is she well you're looking

00:28:50.300 at one of them and then the other one is not much older okay well i'd be telling them to like wipe

00:28:55.520 your mouth i guess i don't know but if she if she was getting old enough to that she was going to be

00:29:01.120 making her own decisions which is i think what you're getting at yeah i think what i would say is i would

00:29:06.740 i would tell her how men think and i've got something on that in here somewhere i would i

00:29:13.000 would explain to her how the world works how people think what she can expect to be treated like

00:29:19.540 and the reasons for that so that she's equipped to make the best possible decisions i don't know if

00:29:26.160 i'm going to find this thing in time there it is there was a video i made a while ago about a young

00:29:30.980 girl displaying a good amount of insight where she was she was first of all sick of her dad saying oh

00:29:39.240 boys don't go around boys and then she realized that he's doing that because he knows what the boys

00:29:45.140 think about her so she had a thought about a thought about a thought which was a you know higher level of

00:29:50.360 a higher order of thinking than a lot of people her age and i was like oh that's great and that's the

00:29:56.140 kind of thing that i would be saying i would be trying to install that kind of metacognition

00:30:02.660 i would i would be saying if if you show up this way the world will react to you this way it doesn't

00:30:10.620 matter if you like it or not that's what people's programming is that's what i did not get taught

00:30:16.260 when i was a kid my parents yeah my parents and my teachers failed to tell me how the world was going

00:30:23.820 to react to me it was almost a hundred percent you can do what you want yes yes yes yes yeah yeah

00:30:31.300 what a crazy thing to tell someone that's insane it doesn't the world does not agree it just doesn't

00:30:38.140 agree with you oh i want to be a journalist okay here's ten dollars yeah i i think one of the things

00:30:45.180 that we did a video on it hasn't gone live yet we titled it thought maxing our daughters but the

00:30:51.100 the question is how do you one of the one of i think the biggest mistakes that people are going

00:30:56.180 to make in raising daughters within this generation is they're like well you don't want to be valued

00:31:00.880 for your body right but the problem is is that the the world right now is social media you know it's

00:31:08.020 youtube it's twitter it's etc and if you're a woman with a following on one of these sites you are

00:31:13.780 in part valued for your body yeah and if you yeah if you pathologically develop some hatred of this

00:31:21.480 or fear of this then you're not going to get in front of a large audience and have an impact

00:31:26.020 right yeah that's that's part of it's kind of a part of what i'm trying to teach people with the

00:31:32.600 whole ken wilbur the whole integral thing this whole thing here that you can't just say oh it's bad

00:31:39.320 to value people for their bodies or it's bad to be valued for your body that's just like one of the

00:31:44.200 layers of thinking that people do whether you like it or not yeah it's just a part of the mind that's

00:31:49.520 on you have to understand that that's what people are doing and you have to take the good you can get

00:31:54.900 from it and avoid the bad that comes from it whereas i think what you were saying is that if you

00:32:00.360 get too averse to that then you won't be able to function in the online world right like if you

00:32:07.100 understand that people are if you're an attractive young girl people will part will partially be

00:32:11.760 watching because you are an attractive young girl right yeah yeah it is and it's something that you're

00:32:16.900 not going to be able to avoid even if you're purely intellectual like the example i'd use here is like

00:32:20.860 shoe on head shoe on head is like a reasonable intellectual with reasonable ideas that are worth

00:32:26.260 listening to that doesn't mean that part of her audience isn't there because she at one point was an

00:32:31.060 attractive young girl yeah but she also isn't like at least not as far as i've seen i don't think she

00:32:36.320 does i don't think she's leaning on it she's not like skimpy clothes or anything like that you know

00:32:40.340 so she's more like a brett cooper yeah yeah and that happens everywhere all the time that's that's

00:32:46.120 attractive people which there's fewer men than women but if you're attractive people will look at you

00:32:50.960 more and even babies do that so it's just like that's how we're built so yeah accept it it's actually

00:32:58.120 a very interesting thing when i think about it for men because i think attractive men there's like an

00:33:02.920 audience of intellectual men where you you need a certain level of buffness to enter it like i'm

00:33:09.180 thinking like your joe rogan's your quiz williamson's stuff like that where they're like genuine

00:33:13.960 intellectuals in my book but like it's clear that that their audience required first a level of

00:33:20.520 physical mastery which i guess is a level of yeah a level of i'm sorry i didn't hear that

00:33:25.600 well their level of physical mastery is a level of self-mastery like yes yeah it demonstrates

00:33:31.660 competence yeah but i think it also signals more to the the gender to which they market

00:33:37.460 yeah than the opposite gender in other words like i think andrew tate uh physically appeals more to men

00:33:45.340 than he does to women um and i think like hannah nealman of ballerina farms physically appeals more

00:33:51.720 to women than yeah i had a i don't know if you guys followed my uh content this deeply or this early

00:33:58.940 but i have a story that i tell sometimes about that's what happened to me early in life when

00:34:04.140 people told me you can do and be whatever you want and people should like you for you i didn't really

00:34:08.120 pay attention or take care of myself and i had a physical transformation i lost a lot of weight and

00:34:12.820 built a lot of muscle and this same girl that i liked since i was 11 suddenly the tables turned and

00:34:18.200 she was into me and i was like i don't know about that wow and amazing yeah and if people don't

00:34:25.700 understand how how big of a of a difference that makes until you are one and then the other people

00:34:32.360 will just say oh yeah yeah yeah malcolm did that to me malcolm malcolm taught me that people judge you by

00:34:40.320 what you are on the outside when i was like it's all about what you are on the inside and while we were

00:34:43.840 dating with the promise that we'd break up because that was our agreement i was going to be single

00:34:48.140 forever i was excited about it he was like well you're not going to achieve your goal in life if

00:34:52.520 you look like you do right now and so i changed my appearance totally got a promotion complete like

00:34:58.700 got invited to speak at events just complete transformation of my entire career and people

00:35:02.760 who knew me from before and hadn't seen what i looked like after like that's not true you're not

00:35:08.140 you didn't well i think the problem for you and for women is that women especially get emotionally

00:35:16.040 rewarded for dressing in a way and acting in a way that causes people to think left of them

00:35:22.580 intellectually so she was dressing like a hipster you know in those sorts of outfits that sort of

00:35:29.240 like are you know and and people were rewarding her and smiling more at her well i was wearing like

00:35:34.580 mini mini skirts and red fishnet stockings and yeah like i was not great not great yeah i get it yeah

00:35:44.840 it's i don't know though like do do hyper muscular men also someone get treated yes i did get treated

00:35:52.540 like a male thought kind of when i went from like i lost a lot of weight and put on the muscle it was

00:35:56.680 really quick and all of a sudden there were like older ladies making sex jokes at me like i used to

00:36:02.540 make it girls when i was really like in high school so i joined this program like a spiritual program

00:36:09.220 and there were like 47 year old ladies saying something about telling me that i should wear a

00:36:14.800 g-string or whatever i remember jokes yeah and so like i did get i suddenly was getting sexualized by

00:36:22.820 people who i did and did not want attention from and i was like oh that's so that's exact that's what

00:36:27.260 women are talking about you get the attention you want and the attention that you don't okay

00:36:30.960 that's fascinating that was really interesting okay so the final thought i wanted to end this

00:36:38.360 whiz or to sort of think about is this ai app that you're creating because i think it's really amazing

00:36:43.700 we're building a video game world right now and one of the settlements that makes it through in the

00:36:48.360 video game world trains an ai on scripture and basically just this is what happens to the mormon

00:36:54.200 faction they basically live in a community where an ai they go they ask it what they should do what

00:36:58.620 they should want and it's one of the only factions that seems to be working broadly and so i'm wondering

00:37:03.720 how you think about people may interact with ai systems like the one you're building for building

00:37:11.020 purpose and self-improvement what are your thoughts on that because that's such a weird thing to be

00:37:16.540 happening yeah i think that i think that if this goes the way i want it to because i don't really

00:37:24.700 understand ai that well and sometimes i get very frustrated with some of them like i can't get grok

00:37:30.000 to get the pictures right sometimes and it's just like no i said without superman and it just gives

00:37:35.120 me superman again there there are things that maybe they'll get fixed in time i don't know if

00:37:39.780 they're going to train them to understand language better but what i'm hoping we can do with ai

00:37:44.420 is to like what i'm doing with my life right now is i'm telling young people what no one told me

00:37:51.420 when i was young it would have really helped me if someone could have said hey girls do this and

00:37:57.460 bosses do that and the and you know the people don't respect you if you do this and that and

00:38:02.140 it would it would have cleared a lot up for me if ai can can do that for people individually

00:38:09.160 and they can interact with a system that like knows everything that humanity does it knows all of our

00:38:15.620 phenotypes and all the genotypes and all of the minds that it builds and it can test your

00:38:20.880 personality and say well if you're like this then that's one of the things that we're doing

00:38:24.780 with self max we have the big five we're going to put other personality tests on it so the ai

00:38:30.400 uses your personality to respond to you so it says this solution might work better for you because

00:38:36.560 you're this personality type i think if that sort of understanding of the human condition can get

00:38:44.180 sophisticated enough in ai then it will be able to lead people to the right decisions so there's just

00:38:49.580 less mystery in figuring things out you still have to do it nobody can do it for you because that's

00:38:56.420 just like the physical nature of the world is you have to do it yourself or you can't be what you want

00:39:01.060 to be if you don't do the things it takes to be it but i think that the best case scenario is that ai

00:39:10.200 becomes really good at separating the wheat from the chaff so like here's what you should listen to

00:39:17.680 about andrew tate and here's what you shouldn't like this is if you do this this is what it's going

00:39:21.520 to get you it worked for him but that's very rare and most of the time that people think like that

00:39:25.860 they end up in jail for dealing drugs or whatever so that it should be able to to meet people where

00:39:33.500 they are tell them about what they're thinking why they're thinking it make it clear to them that's

00:39:38.080 one of the things that i'm really good at i used to do uh personal life coaching sessions i might go

00:39:42.500 back to that and during the sessions i was very able to take whatever it was that people were

00:39:48.340 experiencing and show them here's what you're going for there that you didn't know and then go oh yeah

00:39:53.200 that's i either need to learn how to do that better or to quit that because that's unhealthy or something

00:39:57.580 like that but it can reveal people to themselves when you do that and then also when they become

00:40:03.800 conscious of that then they can make more and more choices about their behavior and then it can also

00:40:08.160 tell them about how the world works which i have absolutely no experience in because i've been

00:40:12.700 inside reading books for 20 years that is fantastic well it's been a joy having you on i really encourage

00:40:19.740 our watchers to go check your channel go check this app where can they find out this it's called

00:40:25.400 it's called selfmax.ai i think i wrote it down here i'll write it down selfmax s-e-l-f-m-a-x dot

00:40:33.500 a i if you type that in i'm pretty sure it's the first thing you're going to get and we're building

00:40:38.880 it upgrading it people are saying they like it so far and i'm excited about that i like that we when

00:40:44.680 we read the pragmatist guide to life the biggest thing was like all right all right so you've like

00:40:48.820 given me a guide to like figuring this out by myself like now like what do i do like can you

00:40:52.960 just tell me what to do yeah and i love that this is like all right well based on like we're going

00:40:57.440 to sort of take a bayesian approach using like the data you've given us here's your best path

00:41:02.600 forward just a lot of people really would love that i think that's that's all i i kind of want

00:41:07.480 to check it out now but yeah your channel is so great even like if you're if you're part of the

00:41:11.920 like 10 of our channel that's female you should also check it out like it's really really interesting

00:41:15.940 and yeah to the point of like you could be able to think from the perspective of other people this

00:41:22.300 is a great way for you to see in very concrete terms the dynamics that make life really hard for

00:41:27.860 dudes so yeah anyway really love your work thank you so much for coming on

00:41:31.940 all right yeah

Based Camp - February 20, 2025

Hoe_Math： Is There Any Realistic Path Left For Men？

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