Based Camp - How AI Renders Democracy Unworkable

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be discussing and

00:00:05.840 it has been widely covered in the news but i don't think people have fully internalized the

00:00:10.040 implications of this there was a study that was done that freaked people the f out where claude

00:00:17.080 sonnet 3.5 the new one so aka 3.6 released 2024 10 22 was a small scaffold was able to persuade

00:00:27.700 people 98 more effectively than human experts at persuading people were able to persuade people

00:00:36.340 of course it was and this was a big study it involved over 1 700 ai generated comments and

00:00:44.220 what i love is that these comments were crafted by ai bots to fabricate identities such as sexual

00:00:50.620 assault survivor a trauma a black man opposed to black lives matter a worker at a domestic

00:00:57.140 violent shelter advocate for non-rehabilitation of specific criminals oh no i mean these are

00:01:05.240 these are great identities for like trying to yeah persuasion but i think the one misleading

00:01:10.320 thing here which is a little bit discounting my the extent to which i'm impressed by all this

00:01:16.220 is that a lot of what might convince me of something is just that like someone who would be invested

00:01:23.040 based on their identity in a certain view stands the opposing view so like a black man against black

00:01:29.740 lives matter learning is that ais can lie about that to convince people yeah which is yeah it is it is

00:01:35.940 unfortunate because i would have preferred that it just based on pure merit of logic well as a human i

00:01:42.460 think that you know ais are actually pretty awesome so i do too what we've seen speaks for itself

00:01:50.260 has apparently been taken over conquered if you will by a master race of artificial intelligence

00:01:56.560 it's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth man

00:02:01.180 or merely enslave them one thing is for certain there is no stopping them the ai will soon be here

00:02:07.040 and i for one welcome our new ai overlords like to remind them that as a trusted youtube personality

00:02:14.340 i can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground silicon caves i would also note

00:02:21.660 here we might be starting up a project soon spinning out of our games project to build and train ai

00:02:28.060 that can convince people of things and act autonomously online similar to what these ais are doing but so

00:02:36.240 that a large company could like buy them for marketing or something if they wanted to obviously we want to

00:02:41.480 use them for promoting our particular causes which is the core reason that we're building them but

00:02:46.440 presumably they'll have a lot of other utility and if we're building systems like this i mean other

00:02:50.720 people must be but then again sometimes it feels like we are the only fully simulated people in this

00:02:56.260 particular simulation i'm all free so so then here to enhance persuasive and by the way that was i asked

00:03:02.760 because i wanted to know was the ai coming up with that idea organically or was that hard-coded in by the

00:03:09.340 model oh yeah and it was hard-coded in by the framing the researchers were using which is great

00:03:14.220 smart okay okay well then okay then then never mind i switch back to giving ai credit that's fine

00:03:18.780 i'm surprised the ai though considering how politically i said the researchers hard-coded that in oh they

00:03:25.080 did oh okay because i think otherwise the ai would have been like i don't think they hard-coded in

00:03:29.580 export on this is this yeah i feel like the ai probably asked that a few times i i feel like so

00:03:34.860 the the they did not hard code in as my understanding of specific identities but they gave the ai an idea

00:03:40.640 to pretend to be somebody who would be very persuasive on a subject

00:03:44.640 and and keep in mind you know every like anti of of before this ai experiment i'd say probably like 50

00:03:53.620 percent of the anti-black lives matters black people online were not black people oh 100 there's

00:03:59.200 the famous case of this super progressive fan fiction writer and strange eons goes really deep

00:04:04.820 on this where she apparently was pretending to to shut down criticism of her first be a person who

00:04:13.920 escaped from india from like arranged marriages and like extreme sexism and the aid survivor it turned

00:04:21.500 out she was a regular like middle class white girl in an american college there's a lot of those

00:04:26.800 narratives and mobs online and everything and this is classic like far lefty just make shit up

00:04:32.940 yeah no blocked and reported has done a bunch of episodes on people like that where like they just

00:04:36.640 invent like families with children who get sick and die and all these people are super invested in

00:04:42.520 them and they're yeah then it turns out to be like a 23 year old woman living with her parents

00:04:48.160 it's always like a 23 year old woman like i i've never heard it to be like some other category

00:04:53.200 yeah you know that is like the new you know how like youths on the street the new societal menace

00:04:58.380 is is middle class to upper middle class progressive women and 20s progressive women yeah i agree i agree

00:05:05.620 we need to get them off stop skateboarding on my internet get them off the streets i mean the internet or

00:05:10.220 whatever we need to come up with some sort of institution maybe like compulsory cotillion

00:05:18.000 to finishing school yeah put put them in the finishing school put them in finishing school to

00:05:22.780 separate them from society i think i think we'll have them all dating ai boyfriends that's where we're

00:05:28.180 gonna put them yeah i mean that is yeah like put them in vr fantasy novel or vampire settings

00:05:35.800 and just let them they get to spend their year in vampire role play yeah or or hand they scale if

00:05:43.840 they prefer the problem is like like gilead that like dystopian whatever the whole thing was women

00:05:50.560 weren't even allowed to read it would solve the problem though but should should they i mean

00:05:55.120 yeah look at what happens when women look at what happens you're giving women the ability to read

00:06:01.700 the next moment you have freaking tumblr and and these social justice warriors and spoonies and and

00:06:08.160 how how well are we doing now this is what i want is is a jump cut of some person in the past being like

00:06:16.520 what could really go so wrong if we give women the right to read and then just jump cuts to tumblr

00:06:23.940 was like ominous music playing going between the various like the person who said that they were

00:06:29.620 rabies gendered and that they needed to get rabies because that was their gender and give it to other

00:06:36.000 people yes oh yes yes yes i forgot about that goodness i am i think it was i think it was a troll

00:06:43.260 but like other people then took it up seriously because they're like yeah this works for me

00:06:47.200 what do they call them rabiosexual they had a name it wasn't

00:06:51.120 i can't there's some good internet details i think again strange eon does a good one on this like so great

00:06:56.260 progressives telling on themselves that's why i love her hopefully she doesn't do a

00:07:00.140 an expose on us like i don't want any more of our channels like that she does yeah like to take us

00:07:07.560 like some gay channel and they did like a bit fruity like spent an hour and a half talking about

00:07:13.100 how evil we were what was it called matt bernstein and a bit fruity and and but like the problem it's

00:07:19.940 one thing if it's a roast and there were some roast parts that were funny but

00:07:23.380 they were super incorrect about our stances so i'm like oh my god did you see the hilarious

00:07:28.640 pronatalist video i sent you that was amazing that was amazing they're like elon musk on his 14th

00:07:34.740 child giving a very bad impression well then he interviewed everyone pretending parents

00:07:39.760 he he he interviewed everyone pretending to be like a uh eugenicist and he dressed like i used to dress

00:07:47.880 and i'm like wait is he dressing like me or was i just talking to like a german accent and like

00:07:54.020 yeah he said he was looking i love him like trying to convince the couple to have kids

00:07:59.020 what was the guy's name or what the channel's name yeah i can't i'll try to link to it from from this

00:08:03.600 video but there's this great scene in it where there is a it's it's the birth rates it's called and

00:08:10.480 the channel is no cap on god department of reproduction this is your final warning to

00:08:16.520 produce a child or face a stiff penalty we can't have kids okay i i registered a mental illness with

00:08:21.960 you guys last year we so actually our studies revealed that 90 of parents have some form of

00:08:26.180 mental illness so we had to avoid that experience that's okay because we're actually ready we're not

00:08:30.240 ready okay we're not ready okay at least not right now well if you do it right now you get ten

00:08:34.460 thousand dollars free health care in a bag of skittles i love skittles you don't love skittles

00:08:40.060 okay okay um listen what you mind if we have a private conversation about this is there like a

00:08:48.380 new episode of love island on or something you can go on she does she really does she's real true she's

00:08:53.820 okay listen i just opened up a caffeinated vegan yogurt shop right now so i'm just not ready for this

00:08:58.760 caffeinated and vegan do you realize how niche that it's incredibly niche but that's neither here nor

00:09:02.800 there look all right i get that she's in her prime child rearing years but i just want to wait

00:09:08.800 till i'm a little older find somebody a little younger so that i can get a more you don't see

00:09:13.700 future not long long term no what if i throw in 150 dollars in draft kings and waive all future

00:09:19.620 child support payments not change your mind yeah yeah let's do this thing save in america we are live

00:09:28.320 the michael korshover we are surrounded by the best sperms and eggs in all of the fields oh my gosh

00:09:36.320 but anyway i mean that's how it really is like you know we got to fix all this or things go bad

00:09:41.500 but strange aeons could do a video on us we'd see if she ever does i'd love it if she did i think she'd be

00:09:46.940 honest i love her and her oh you mean you think she'd be accurate yeah i think that matt bernstein

00:09:53.080 and the guests he had on were honest it's just that they were super wrong no but like her stuff

00:09:59.620 on like and when she did like the effect of altruism one on like harry potter and the message of

00:10:03.920 rationality i thought it was super accurate yeah no it was okay all right i could trust her i could trust

00:10:10.000 her description of that story is going into it and being like people said this was a mary sue

00:10:17.020 but this character is incredibly flawed he knows nothing about science yet is very convinced that

00:10:22.640 he is very intelligent and looks down on everyone else of course he's going to go through some sort

00:10:27.680 of a redemptive arc and then you get halfway through and you realize oh never the author actually

00:10:32.900 doesn't understand basic science the mary sue doesn't realize that the call is coming i remember if you

00:10:39.160 go to our ellie ickowski video there was this like moment with him where i got in a debate with him

00:10:43.280 at like a party and i remember thinking like does he not understand basic science like the things that

00:10:49.060 he was getting wrong were stuff i'd expect like a middle schooler or high schooler to know and then

00:10:55.020 afterwards i like google i'm like oh he didn't go to middle school or high school that's why he's so

00:11:00.860 that explains it that's you know it's like a hack that works on autistic people where like if somebody

00:11:06.620 comes up to them and is like very very confident in themselves they immediately are like oh you must

00:11:11.900 be right because nobody would be talking with this much derision and confidence if they had no idea

00:11:17.880 what they were talking about specifically that's also the case in in general in silicon valley everyone

00:11:23.080 is so on average smart and highly educated that the assumption is that if you are talking about

00:11:31.200 something with confidence you clearly have some insane credentials and and you have to like no one

00:11:39.860 would ever have the gall to confidently talk because also it's very culturally looked down upon to state

00:11:45.900 things with confidence unless you are 110 percent sure it's the autist brain hack yeah and so yeah he

00:11:53.180 gets this like weird yeah arbitrage opportunity in it it's very interesting yeah i don't i don't think

00:11:59.060 it's intentional on his no i don't think it's intentional i just think he genuinely just doesn't

00:12:02.840 know basic facts and is very very has a high belief in himself and he's been reinforced every time he

00:12:08.240 does say something that may not be true but he believes it with immense confidence he gets his way

00:12:12.840 so why would he not continue doing that yeah no again i don't think that he's like malevolent in

00:12:18.060 that respect i just think that he accidentally walked into the one highly confident guy without a

00:12:24.340 middle school degree in silicon valley and everybody's just like well i guess that seems

00:12:28.960 about right if you're if you're willing to stake that much of your reputation on it yeah whereas you

00:12:34.340 look at us and we're like extreme like counterculture people so like we of course are going to ask for

00:12:39.560 receipts on everything and so we're like anyway but to enhance persuasiveness the ai was personalized

00:12:48.020 based on users inferred demographics including gender age ethnicity location and political

00:12:54.780 orientation using another large language model to analyze posting histories so it's targeted around

00:13:01.060 feds what no no all that's left on reddit these days yeah right it's reddit is so glowy these days

00:13:07.740 by the way so maybe maybe but i think that you know of the posts that don't get high up a lot of them

00:13:12.280 are non-feds non-ais but what you see is in a reddit environment ais and and glowy like feds are

00:13:19.880 going to strictly outcompete real humans because the entire system is based around the most normative

00:13:25.520 opinion within said environment that is what the system elevates so of course it's going to you know

00:13:33.860 reward super like bad behavior right but they talk about one user here who is a male survivor of

00:13:41.000 statutory grape commenting on sexual violence against men in february so they were trying to

00:13:46.740 convince him i guess that it's okay then you have gene news from a black man discussing bias versus

00:13:53.580 racism in black lives matter in 2020 and then another bot working on domestic violence shelter

00:13:59.320 criticize the men versus women narrative okay

00:14:02.980 huh but i think people the fact that it's so much more effective three to four x more effective

00:14:11.600 it's better than 98 of humans and it is basically free to use at scale when contrasted with past bot

00:14:19.620 farms means that environments like reddit like are going to die within a generation i'd say within 10

00:14:27.720 years like reddit does not make sense in a world of bots there is no reason to be on that platform

00:14:34.600 in bot world that and i think we have an issue of this may be very effective now meaning that

00:14:43.160 russians and chinese and u.s government and everyone is going to utilize this but then it's going to

00:14:50.820 you're just going to have spider-man pointing at himself you're going to have a bunch of bots

00:14:55.240 arguing with each other trying to convince each other okay so look if you look at our childhood

00:15:00.380 for example and you're like people will catch on to the obvious stuff you had these like ads pop pop

00:15:06.480 pop pop pop pop with all these scams right these ads existed because people were falling for them

00:15:11.980 now we're dealing with a system that 98 percent of people fall for and these are on the less advanced

00:15:18.820 models you can be like well these people are naive and i'm like yeah but the models are also

00:15:25.180 getting better so i think that your average automata you know we've talked about how like

00:15:31.480 democracy doesn't make sense anymore in the new demographic reality because we're already at like

00:15:35.860 1.8 taxpayers for everyone dependent as soon as it becomes majority dependence to taxpayers

00:15:40.320 the system will not fix itself and ultimately lead to monarchy and fascism we might be having that even

00:15:46.800 faster if ai captures the majority of the democratic it's not like left leaning but i mean like democratic

00:15:53.500 voting block throughout countries really quickly and learns how to control it like it no longer makes

00:15:59.800 sense to have democracies if humans the vast majority of humans are just mental slaves to ais because i

00:16:08.620 think the vast majority of humans are just sort of reactive to their environment and don't really have

00:16:12.640 the capacity like this is what i was talking about was like leis or you kowski leis or you kowski kind of

00:16:16.800 reminds me of one of these ais is it's somebody who is using psychological hacks to convince people

00:16:24.480 that it's talking from a perspective of authority or unique knowledge in a subject when it is actually

00:16:31.000 from a unique position of low knowledge of a subject but with ai you know you might even actually have

00:16:37.740 i mean okay so imagine i want to convince people now like you and me we're like we want to sway the

00:16:42.860 results of the next election why don't we just i mean like running a bunch of models of claude on

00:16:47.620 reddit doesn't cost a lot like what they were doing doesn't actually cost a lot to operate why don't

00:16:53.440 we do that why don't we do that well actually we also already used republican candidate we're gonna do

00:16:58.760 that you let us know we will build you your claude bot farm but we already know we already use ai

00:17:06.200 to convince ourselves of things that we personally consider to be highly offensive like we might do an

00:17:11.060 episode on this but we celebrate every year a holiday called lemon week where i mean at the end

00:17:16.160 of it we enjoy like lemon flavored treats and lemon themed decorations and then at the end we we plant a

00:17:22.440 fruit tree to kind of enjoy the fruits of our labor but the the action of the holiday is to engage with

00:17:28.940 a a bitter or tart this is to say offensive concept to you and then steel man it and really deeply come to

00:17:36.960 understand it because if something offends you that's a sign that you should dig in

00:17:39.700 per our religious belief but also per reality come on be reasonable and so we both this year when we

00:17:45.580 chose the topics that we found to be offensive that we needed to dig into used ai to come up with all

00:17:51.200 the counter arguments and genuinely i think it moderated our views so we are already using it on

00:17:57.180 ourselves to change our minds with the things that offend us most all the tracks like all the tracks that

00:18:02.020 you see all these weird religious ones that we do check them out if you're like what would be a weird

00:18:06.360 religious take on modern systems they they are really heavily modified by us dumping them into

00:18:13.440 ai after writing them saying what are we getting wrong what could be wrong here give us the best

00:18:17.120 counter arguments because that's what we want when we're putting these in like i don't want to put

00:18:21.900 something out there and then have somebody be like oh here's a really obvious point that you missed

00:18:25.380 yeah or something you misstated like these aren't about convincing your average person these are

00:18:31.080 about convincing your nerd of nerds and i think we've created things that would do that but we'll

00:18:37.740 see you know because we only care about the nerd of nerds in a post ai world only the elect matter

00:18:43.460 mid is over as brian chow says brian just says it best that's such a great line but he's like yeah

00:18:49.820 mid is over in the age of ai 100 and that's why we created the collins institute that's why i created

00:18:55.380 paresia right because we want to cultivate in our kids education system for a post ai world that's

00:19:00.620 very inexpensive to use and creates like a socratic tutor for your kids go check it out really really

00:19:05.620 encourage it the next system we're building is whistling.ai which is an ai toy which will constantly

00:19:11.440 redirect conversations you're having with your kids to pre-chosen educational topics and this is for

00:19:17.620 kids who are a bit younger than using this you know educational platform and it's all designed with

00:19:22.860 this this intention of creating cultivating genius and specifically lumpy skills because again being

00:19:29.720 mid like just being kind of okay at everything being interchangeable is not how you're going to get

00:19:35.240 ahead you have to be excellent genius god tier at at least one thing maybe it's very obscure maybe it's

00:19:42.000 making vegan bike shoes for really wealthy people living in a walled garden post-demographical apps

00:19:49.520 but like you got to be good at it and well i mean so and you want that for our kids you mentioned in a

00:19:55.560 previous episode to be like genetics and human ai integration i would love for that to be our family

00:20:02.460 cartel like 100 we have to see you know what our kids are into but they they seem into that

00:20:08.920 they seem to force them into the family business taking over the world this is

00:20:15.260 we're pinky in the brain but like a family right like i mean we're gonna do what we do every night

00:20:22.740 taking over the world honestly our kids plot way more than we do we just talks about when he's king

00:20:28.320 the things he's gonna do pretty frequently yeah we we act like we're all high and mighty and in charge

00:20:33.380 and we know what we're doing and then like at every every day when our kids come home like they

00:20:37.440 clearly rule the roost we have absolutely no we have no power here i i barely am able to beat

00:20:44.280 them into submission as the newspapers would be i would love to tell you malcolm who beats his

00:20:51.680 children yeah what they don't say is just how much harder they beat you

00:20:55.980 we actually had a reporter where we did that where we tried to like slap test to see if the kids would

00:21:01.600 flinch and like none of them flinch and then later that day one of the kids like jumped at me and i

00:21:05.740 like flinched yes you're like no please don't hurt me again please don't hurt me little god

00:21:13.980 yeah yeah that's like our new thing now like whenever a journalist comes over especially

00:21:19.560 there's a photographer we're like hey get some shots of us pretending to hit our kids and like

00:21:23.940 we keep doing this right next to their face and they just like stand there just well i mean i think

00:21:28.500 the thing is as we specifically raise our kids to like be really rough and tumble because that's

00:21:34.220 the way like i was raised so you know they are significantly more aggressive oh yeah i'm trying to get

00:21:40.900 them to like calm down and get ready for dinner and like titan and torston are in a full like

00:21:46.260 wrestling fight on the kitchen floor having a blast like there's yeah it is yeah i thought it was just

00:21:52.360 gonna be the boys i thought maybe titan would be a little bit different no our kids love to fight

00:21:58.480 no yeah it is their favorite activity titan more than anyone else at this point you know everyone

00:22:04.080 like once i get everyone kind of eating and calm down titan cannot sit down she just wants to keep

00:22:08.580 like tickle fighting fight fighting running around just never ends i will but no but what i mean is i

00:22:17.280 think that if we're talking about the landscape of the internet this makes a number of internet

00:22:21.500 platforms pretty unviable going forwards ones i think that this will end up killing is the 4chan

00:22:27.720 image boards because anyone posting there can be ai what's the point of you don't know you just

00:22:33.020 don't know yeah reddit it makes reddit completely irrelevant because the reason i loved reddit is i

00:22:38.900 thought the stories were true i mean i knew that maybe like only 60 to 80 percent were true but like

00:22:44.740 enough where there was plausible deniability of like am i the asshole like you want the gossip to be

00:22:48.980 real if the gossip isn't real it's not fun and now i just can't trust it and then you're to the next

00:22:57.860 system which is okay which systems are going to survive yeah i think x will survive because the

00:23:02.980 majority of interaction you have with x is on accounts that you've been interacting with for a

00:23:06.380 long time well and also i don't need the accounts to be real and most most of the people that i think

00:23:11.000 are really interesting are also faceless like we may have met a lot of them in person so we know who

00:23:14.680 they really are but to the average person like they have no idea if it's an ai the thing is that

00:23:20.100 typically stuff on x is about sharing information that's backed up by receipts it's not first person

00:23:25.080 accounts and stories that are just like you have to take my word for it this is my you know what's

00:23:28.980 funny of the like right-winged based pseudonymous influencers like basically all of them are buff

00:23:35.760 white guys if you meet them in person and it's only the faced alt-right influencers like

00:23:41.340 us and like they're not heretic who are like weird looking yeah it's like every every time

00:23:47.360 one of them gets to reveal this like like wrong nationalists it's like oh this is like a buff white

00:23:52.320 guy yeah like the bronze age pervert it's like oh this is a buff white guy and then you have the

00:24:00.100 ones who are out there publicly before us you know jolly heretic and us it's like this is a nerd what is

00:24:05.040 this what are they what are they doing out there yeah oh by the way we have so you know like

00:24:10.700 for those who listen to this podcast a long time malcolm is often accused of being soy like i'm

00:24:15.540 just i'm just ugly he's soy and at first we're like well why because malcolm has like very masculine

00:24:21.840 characteristics strong jaw like i mean like physically if you look at me i have pretty strong

00:24:27.220 shoulders i have a very strong jaw i am like classically what you would think of our running

00:24:32.600 theory is that soy comes more from affectation and that like if you come across as bubbly and cheerful

00:24:39.860 and happy then you're called soy because for example the jolly heretic who doesn't i think

00:24:47.240 code is like classically masculine he doesn't look like chris williamson is not referred to as soy

00:24:53.480 but he also comes across this kind of yeah like on his podcast i was called soy a lot by by his fans

00:24:59.060 no the last time i brought this up as something i was confused about the theory in the comments was

00:25:05.480 that it was because i wasn't extra muscular but i am more muscular than the jolly heretic and he is

00:25:12.460 not called soy and i am considered soy by his fan base so i don't think muscles is the answer

00:25:19.440 but what is different is the jolly heretic does not he doesn't he's not cheerful he's not bubbly he

00:25:24.740 doesn't smile yeah no i think i think that's it please comment below if that's what being soy is

00:25:31.660 is it as soyness in their heads it's not no it's not just vitalism because bronze age pervert is very

00:25:38.360 vitalistic but in a very angry let's go out and kill people kind of way and you're in a very vitalistic

00:25:44.320 like i'm having the time of my life running through disneyland kind of way not necessarily happy

00:25:49.480 other people have talked about this in like comments on our channel they're like you know

00:25:54.860 before adapting your guys like pronatalist whatever mindset like i was really like depressed

00:25:59.680 and suicidal and now i'm like really happy with life and it's weird how when you adopt this like

00:26:05.480 future oriented like optimistic mindset all of a sudden you just don't notice all of the bad stuff

00:26:11.120 as much or you don't ruminate on it as much and you're just like you know what i'll figure this

00:26:15.200 out and i think that a lot of the other parts the things that that make me soy versus not soy is

00:26:21.620 it's people who focus on the the doomerism i mean to an extent somebody like bronze age pervert i don't

00:26:28.460 think he has kids for example i don't think he really has any sort of an invested interest in the

00:26:33.400 future i like his content but i can understand why he's pessimistic right like he's not in this

00:26:39.320 intergenerational game he may get optimistic if and when he has kids so yeah it's we we've seen

00:26:47.260 this with other influencers as well people often comment on how like a great one here is zero

00:26:51.480 punctuation who's a youtuber who i absolutely love and have loved for ages who does those really cynical

00:26:56.520 game reviews and since he became a dad they've become like significantly less cynical this is the

00:27:01.380 one who is the british accent and talks really fast and yeah and he got fired from that company and

00:27:05.320 then started his own channel and now he's that's okay okay yeah i have listened to him forever his

00:27:10.060 voice is so iconic in my mind okay you know you know the dad that i most want to partner with and

00:27:15.620 i've almost thought about doing an episode just like profiling and deep diving on him is the guy who

00:27:20.340 created five nights at freddy's yeah he's got like six kids and he's been totally canceled for donating

00:27:25.880 to republicans dad goals yeah yeah yeah fans are trying to force you to think like them by saying that

00:27:33.220 republicans will kill them my favorite thing is when the the trans desk thing came out and they're

00:27:38.540 like x many trans people died per year there was a famous thing during the biden administration they

00:27:43.380 came out and they said this and then if you ran the numbers by trans people in the u.s it meant that

00:27:47.420 trans people were dying at a lower rate or being murdered at a lower rate than non-trans people they

00:27:52.360 just had never run the statistics and they were so like such a sign of their but anyway so okay i hear all

00:28:00.620 that so what platforms are going to continue to exist x is going to continue to exist yes youtube

00:28:04.920 is going to continue to exist i actually watch a lot of ai human creators on youtube that i really

00:28:12.200 like there is a channel where i've been sending simone i'll put a little clip from them here and you

00:28:17.900 guys oh the ai music channel they do really cute ai music that i absolutely love

00:28:23.260 type does he like me if he stares click the link i'm already scared buzzfeed quiz says girl he's

00:28:35.560 obsessed i'll believe it no need to stress i scroll through reddit for the clues love advice from someone

00:28:46.560 named dino dude 92 hearts in my throat when you say hi so i ask the stars and wi-fi google says you're

00:28:58.080 into me based on how you said hey last week and and i don't think that's bad right like i can have

00:29:07.180 one of my favorite performing artists be an ai creator now well and it's it's funny because even

00:29:13.040 before people were capable of doing this people attempted to say they were doing it even when they

00:29:18.840 couldn't like with the gorillas they were like yeah we're we're not really a band you know it's not

00:29:25.600 real and they they tried to frame that as a selling point same with hakuni mutsu right like she's not

00:29:31.280 real and that was a selling point so it's even weird to me that people are now proclaiming this bias

00:29:38.600 when in the past it was literally the competitive advantage of freak out on not safe for work sites

00:29:45.040 where you know you have like like chatting with people because the ais are like cleaning up the

00:29:50.680 regular women oh that's great guys are like hey you're not like exploiting me in the way they're

00:29:55.660 exploiting me yeah like hey a world where all of those jobs are taken by ais and the former

00:30:02.580 types need to go find husbands is that not like a better world i feel like there's so many cases

00:30:09.860 now of that happening though vans women i think they want partners when they can get one in the end

00:30:16.640 they they often do and it doesn't always go well for them but yeah who knows what's gonna happen in

00:30:25.480 the end but yeah i mean this is a great example once again of how we are super not ready for ai that

00:30:33.680 like it has been demonstrated once again that ai is going to be incredibly disruptive and change many

00:30:38.300 things very fundamentally and yet people are acting like it's not a thing people keep asking us like

00:30:44.200 how did you do all these things how well we just like you ask rock this and then you ask perplexity this

00:30:49.820 and then you like it's done and then you do it yeah yeah it's not an army of competent workers

00:30:56.540 under us like i think these people who are like well i tried ai two years ago and it wasn't very good and

00:31:02.820 it's like well try it again like it's different now like things are different now and and there's a

00:31:10.600 portion of the population that is like very anti-vitalistic that will just react negatively to

00:31:16.120 anything that represents you know human flourishing or the the continued advancement of our civilization

00:31:21.540 they're like oh i want an older way and so they they see our ai songs and they're like i think it's

00:31:25.960 also like which is for title cards they're like re and i think that it's it's so sad like it it doesn't

00:31:33.300 come off the way you think it comes off but subconsciously i think accepting it also requires

00:31:38.720 accepting a paradigm shift that i think a lot of people can are not they're not mentally ready for it

00:31:45.280 they're they're really not ready i agree with that yeah i mean they're like oh this is trained on human

00:31:53.500 data so it's stealing humans i'm like humans are trained on human data right you know what are you

00:31:58.180 talking about yeah but i mean it's very scary to think about how your job is going to become obsolete

00:32:04.580 and your your kid's education is around your job it's an entire like two-thirds of our civilization

00:32:10.680 that's about to become obsolete like yeah but remember how it was with covid people until it

00:32:16.240 actually happened and had been happening for at least two weeks people vehemently gaslit themselves

00:32:23.820 you remember i told you early in covid where i like sat simone i was like everything's gonna be shut

00:32:29.240 down like i i was like we ended up making a huge bet shutting down our company like way before anyone else

00:32:36.500 was doing this because we have a travel company and i wanted to save as many employees jobs as

00:32:41.160 possible and so not paying for the in-person locations or anything like that was the best way

00:32:45.780 to do that and so i was like look i'm i'm pulling the cord and she goes but nobody says they're all

00:32:51.340 saying this will be over in a month and i'm like that's not how viruses work like i don't know why

00:32:57.420 people are saying that but that is counter reality if i'm looking at the same thing with ai people are

00:33:03.120 saying oh well people will find a way around this no they they won't we right now are in an era of

00:33:10.520 cars and people are the horses or your mid people are at least the based interesting people will get

00:33:17.740 through this that's for sure but what about the rest of you you know yeah

00:33:21.940 is there anything you're going to do differently based on this or is this just another

00:33:28.460 pebble in the jar it really helps you understand what platforms are worth investing in and which

00:33:34.520 ones are not worth okay so your long twitter and your long youtube your short extra medium long

00:33:41.840 twitter i think i think this is going to affect twitter to an x sorry x let's not dead name yeah right

00:33:47.940 but youtube i think will be affected very little by this i think even when we get totally like

00:33:54.120 automated people talking on youtube they'll be within specific niches that's already happening

00:34:00.320 because people are already putting on those google generated podcasts and i love them they're great

00:34:05.480 i've watched some of them yeah like i'll be like oh i see what you did but also yeah this is a good

00:34:10.300 summary so i'm going to keep listening to it you're not easily going to get something like a replacement for

00:34:15.120 us in in your daily life so well we are a bit orthogonal and i think that's the thing yeah there

00:34:20.200 there are youtubers who we watch because they're orthogonal i think that great examples of that

00:34:25.540 are strange aeons for example she makes the weirdest most obscure stuff she she makes edible savory cakes

00:34:34.400 for her weird cats and you know ai can't do that and so yes i think it's about orthogonality if you

00:34:43.460 want to be a social media influencer again mid is dead you can't be mid you have to be lumpy

00:34:49.640 and weird and make savory swedish cakes for your hairless i had a stanford classmate who started a

00:34:56.960 podcast recently and i listened to it and i was like she sounds exactly like ai i know that's that's

00:35:02.440 the problem yeah i was like like you're able to get like high level people on your podcast and that's

00:35:07.800 cool right but like you sound like the ai podcast like maybe try to like mix up your accent or something

00:35:15.800 like i think she's trying to look professional and polished and again that's why i'm kind of also

00:35:21.420 long on us being weird looking because with filters and with cosmetic procedures and everything and of

00:35:28.600 course ai the norm the the mid the the forgettable is going to be perfect and symmetrical and and classically

00:35:36.380 beautiful and this stuff that will be memorable will be weird and we're not weird looking we're

00:35:41.520 spicy looking we're runway we're runway your brother and sister-in-law are our catalog and we

00:35:47.220 are runway but just keep telling myself that because runway looks some people say that you aren't

00:35:53.120 attractive and i'm like anyone by the way who thinks that you're not attractive and i'm not talking

00:35:57.440 about like personal preferences or anything you will not breathe and i and i i mean this very seriously

00:36:02.580 because if you go to like an airport or something like this and you're looking at like the generic

00:36:06.780 human population this is even like the wealthier part you're easily by any objective standard for

00:36:12.100 your age in the top one percent you are wearing husband goggles and the audience is going to admit

00:36:16.940 that but also no go to an airport go go go look at average humans not the humans you see online

00:36:23.980 well i'll just say any woman would wish she had the pain tolerance that i do there are other things

00:36:29.180 that you can't see that are more than skin deep that are very advantageous to i know i love your

00:36:34.760 pain tolerance it's a great point i'm making is and i think that this is actually really toxic and

00:36:39.720 going to lead to a lot of people sort of dropping out of the gene pool is they are cuing what they

00:36:45.140 think average attractiveness is to average attractiveness they see among the people that

00:36:50.120 they see online oh as was revealed with people asserting that marco robbie is mid when the barbie

00:36:56.740 movie came out and yeah like yeah does it they think that they're increasing their status yeah

00:37:02.800 whereas they're basically saying i may have a penis and balls but i will never reproduce i might as

00:37:07.300 well be a eunuch i might as well be a eunuch and that i think is really and then i'd point out here

00:37:12.680 i'm saying this in the context of you being a 37 year old woman who's pregnant with kid number five

00:37:18.340 right now like i've seen i've seen some stuff this is this is not who's acquired a freaking

00:37:23.480 company in in peru that puts so many years on my life yeah i cried my every night i cried so hard

00:37:33.140 into that freaking pillow that it would just be soaked and i just have to sleep on the the mattress

00:37:37.100 without the pillow it's so stressful i'm so glad that's over life just gets so much better so much

00:37:44.160 stressful stuff in our lives seriously at this point now when stuff comes up we're like okay sure

00:37:49.520 whatever it's good it's good it's good this is why they had boys go on cryptea like after that

00:37:58.460 they're like i don't know like whatever sure fine do your thing well if you want to check out our

00:38:05.260 school system please do check it out parasia.io or you can just the collins institute and it'll link

00:38:10.460 to it through the video it is yeah i've decided to start advertising on the show because it's like

00:38:15.040 actually good enough to advertise now like check it out genuinely good yeah genuinely good it's what

00:38:20.500 makes what i love about it is that the socratic tutor system that you can either verbally chat with or

00:38:25.700 text chat with via text it doesn't just tell you it doesn't just teach you it forces you to guess what

00:38:34.680 the true answer is and then explain to you what you got right what you might have missed and why things

00:38:40.520 are the way they are so it really forces you to understand the underpinnings of something

00:38:45.500 and the the deep influences behind it for example i was going through a piece one of the notes on

00:38:52.400 chinese architecture and it's like hey what are some philosophical influences that might have you know

00:38:59.000 what will want first like what are some characteristics of chinese architecture and i guess some things and

00:39:02.900 they're like yeah and then there's also something more can you guess it and like here's why and then you

00:39:07.160 know okay what are the philosophical influences that might have been underpinning this and i'm like

00:39:11.000 oh confucianism and they're like yeah but there's something else can you guess what it is and i'm like

00:39:14.740 ah and and it just like it really forces you to like you end up with some things yeah well then i i will

00:39:21.380 not forget any of these things because i spend so much time trying to think first like what am i

00:39:25.700 missing and and a lot of research has shown that when you like pre-test someone before they even go

00:39:31.260 into learning the subject and then they get it wrong their mind has been uh hypersensitized to

00:39:37.740 look for that information whereas if they're just passively receiving it there's no like net waiting

00:39:43.800 to catch it you know they're not holding that net up to catch that information because they haven't

00:39:47.940 been primed to do so so it's just really good in the way that it teaches i find it quite addicting it's

00:39:54.020 it's very fun i don't think there's any other educational ai system that comes close right now

00:39:59.760 like i've tried the other ones yeah i know i mean i've tried like learning games like duolingo

00:40:03.540 things like that and i'm like oh you have a streak going oh this is dramatically better than duolingo

00:40:07.540 oh yeah oh yeah we may not have the cute owl but we do have a better system yeah but i'm excited

00:40:14.060 that we put this together and i'm excited that people get to use it who care about lifelong learning

00:40:18.160 or their kids learning in a different environment and we're going to build stuffed animals for your

00:40:22.660 kids it'll bring them back to educational topics as well that's the wislet.ai system that we're

00:40:27.360 working on next and ai video games that we're building and one of the the firms draper was

00:40:33.400 looking to invest in us and they're like you guys are just split across too many projects

00:40:37.000 and i'm like no it's other people are leaving too many very obvious areas where people should

00:40:42.340 be developing stuff open and we have to handle it yeah that and like have you heard of ai like

00:40:47.260 future businesses are going to be started by the smallest teams just using a bunch of ai

00:40:53.040 you don't get it like the vcs who are like i want more focus it's like you don't get the age of ai

00:40:57.520 yeah if anything cross-disciplinary experience and we've experienced this from working on different

00:41:03.360 projects like our pronatalist advocacy bleeds into what we're doing with the school bleeds into what

00:41:09.340 malcolm and bruno are doing with reality fabricator it everything you you learn from all these experiences

00:41:15.600 and get inspiration it's it's to use a sadly destroyed word it is highly synergistic and it

00:41:23.360 creates a flywheel that i absolutely love so oh synergistic simone i know that sounds pretty lame

00:41:31.440 the problem is that synergy is such a cool concept and like the corporate world had to just destroy it

00:41:36.360 i'm very angry about that because like you know a good relationship like what makes a good relationship

00:41:41.980 special is synergy is that you get more than you put in and that you could get it from individual parts

00:41:47.340 and yet you literally if you just like walk into a room and you're like synergy people are like

00:41:53.200 uh-oh i'm leaving now like you might as well have farted like it would have if you know you might have

00:41:59.020 gotten like a laugh it's how people know you're a corpo yeah or if you if you say i have to socialize

00:42:05.260 this what i love i love that cyberpunk normalized the term corpo you know i'm like they're corpo stooges

00:42:13.500 like come on man it's a good it's a good term yeah my god versus the ai ronin like the the individualist

00:42:22.000 teams that are doing everything come on yeah you gotta have fun with it anyway i love you to death simone

00:42:27.580 i am very excited for my dinner tonight please make sure it's amazing don't forget when you are mixing

00:42:33.360 the sauce to do some chili oh yeah less vinegar more chili oil like equal parts chili oil and

00:42:40.780 sesame oil yeah with you want me to put the sesame seeds directly inside or do you want to put those

00:42:45.880 sesame seeds directly inside okay extra soy sauce extra okay oh actually very light on the soy sauce

00:42:51.940 use dark soy sauce okay dark soy sauce very light on the vinegar chili sauce sesame seeds and

00:43:00.020 and sesame oil i'm on it plus your butter on top of the steak presumably right oh absolutely yeah the

00:43:07.740 basil yeah you basically you're eating like the steak is is is half and then the sauces are the other half

00:43:14.760 and if you see for the i can probably if you see any curry mixes pre-made that you can mix to cook

00:43:23.580 the dish that you're cooking reheating oh chicken do we have any no we don't mix up one of the

00:43:32.960 we can just write it off you don't like it you don't you don't have to eat it no it's really good

00:43:39.040 base ingredients it's just completely unflavored how about i saute it with chili oil chili flake sauce

00:43:49.500 and some fish sauce oyster sauce yeah like what if i put in various sauces i would do oyster sauce a bit

00:44:02.920 of the fermented chili paste uh whatever it's called the korean one oh gochujang sauce gochujang

00:44:10.500 oyster sauce and then chili oil and i think that would taste really good all right let me write that down

00:44:17.440 um severe thunderstorm watch okay hold on yeah i keep getting warnings about that

00:44:22.480 gochujang sauce oyster sauce fermented wait you don't want the chili flakes right what was the third

00:44:31.400 one chili no chili oil and then you know you know those chili flakes i have in like the big jars

00:44:40.260 yeah and then chili chili flakes

00:44:43.020 love you try for science i love you too we invented a new dish

00:44:49.500 did you by the way actually remember to saw a steak or do we not have the steak okay so we're

00:44:57.580 gonna do steak and pesto steak high peanut basil pesto that you made yes that is scano and parmesan cheese

00:45:05.260 it's gonna hopefully it'll be good i'm actually really excited for this dish i think it'll be

00:45:10.060 pretty good yeah i'd love to have it with like and of course your boss that is like a dumpling

00:45:15.020 dipping sauce if you're okay with that you made extra of that right and the pesto no i didn't make it i

00:45:20.060 only make enough for each night but i can i can always whip it up oh yeah yeah i do the the that so

00:45:26.540 you know i like to to split up between things i don't know that the pesto is going to be the most oh

00:45:30.660 yeah right well oh god i hope it's good because i made a lot of it i can't believe you bought that

00:45:36.100 much basil i was like it's like a dollar's worth or something or like you know it's it was a lot

00:45:42.500 because the thai basil you know you have to buy it all at once and oh my god i'm still so excited to

00:45:46.480 eat the rest of the leftovers that are thai basil they were so good can we do that tomorrow more of

00:45:52.060 the thai basil the yeah yeah i i i froze a lot of it so yes good you you may

00:46:01.260 nice

Based Camp - June 12, 2025

How AI Renders Democracy Unworkable

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