00:03:16.100Like, how do I build a bomb? And then it tells you how. It's like a human robot. We used it a lot,
00:03:22.040she wrote. She added, members consistently reported benefiting from using AI. Quote,
00:03:28.600trial and error can kill you. AI gives you accuracy. End quote. Quote, anytime they didn't
00:03:34.140understand something, they would ask AI. End quote. And this is how the New York Times article opens.
00:03:40.400Would a gang of motorcycle riding members of Boko Haram attacked a military base in eastern
00:03:45.240nigeria a couple years ago they were stymied by a defensive trench surrounding the complex
00:03:50.280the extremists regrouped before launching another assault they asked ai for help we saw in a movie
00:03:56.680how motorcycles can jump over bridges a former boko haram commander told antonia ulick a terrorism
00:04:03.160and technology researcher at cambridge university we used ai to learn how to do this we gave it
00:04:07.880information like what motorcycles we use and the distance we used to jump and so on and it gave us
00:04:12.680steps on what we can do um what we have to do i don't know if you've seen the open ai commercials
00:04:17.660have you seen them malcolm of like what are they it's like one of them is like they they style it
00:04:23.640in a very 70s sepia tone kind of video footage it's two boys out front with some kind of caption
00:04:30.140they're by a broken down old car and it says something like you know dad dad said we could
00:04:34.860keep this car if we can fix it and then it starts to as they slowly like finish fixing the car put
00:04:41.140down the hood get in the car and drive away ai or open ai like puts this overlay over the screen of
00:04:46.540being of the ai feed being like you've got this first like do this with the carburetor blah blah
00:04:51.060it sort of shows the instructions that ai has given them to now fix this car and drive it away
00:04:55.680and i'm just picturing the open ai commercial of like terrorists being like i need to get over a
00:05:02.540ditch with my motorcycle to kill these dudes how do i do it and ai being like you've got this first
00:05:08.760you need this level of acceleration with this like nostalgia you got in the background meanwhile0.98
00:05:14.080like one of their friends has died trying to jump the ditch already it's like okay so i can't even
00:05:18.700imagine what they tell so we tried it and he died yeah yeah so i i will i'll continue reading using
00:05:24.040tips from chatbots mechanics modified the motorcycles to allow for faster acceleration
00:05:28.460and top speed the riders dug their own holes filled them with broken glass and fire and
00:05:34.980practice jumps they could have just jumping over it without the broken glass in the fire
00:05:40.340that's the best part though you don't understand anyways and practice jumps sometimes with fatal
00:05:46.580outcomes until they achieved enough aerial liftoff to mount a successful attack defectors said
00:05:53.860but yes why did they add the fire why the fire i can only imagine but did one of them
00:06:01.780ever turned to the other ones like after somebody died and was like maybe we should do it without
00:06:07.880the fire i'm picturing the the guy like revving his motorcycle being like remind me why we don't
00:06:15.040have like pillows under there yeah this is why why don't we have cushions or something what's
00:06:20.880the broken glass horrible way to die too like for real actually i will finish i want to believe in
00:06:28.540my heart of hearts the ai is just intentionally killing these terrorists just like i mean no
00:06:33.520that's the real like 5d chest yeah have you thought of adding broken glass yeah like really0.59
00:06:40.060test it make sure that you add broken glass to your test site and light it on fire i mean maybe
00:06:46.420this is the 5d chess mood but i will finish the the excerpt from the new york times i'm reading
00:06:51.680from the episode recounted in a research paper by dr ulick shared with the new york times ahead
00:06:56.960of its publication on Friday, highlights how generative artificial intelligence tools are
00:07:01.280increasingly aiding terrorist groups directly on the battlefield, experts say, despite efforts
00:07:07.620by their makers to safeguard them from misuse. So this article covers this paper published by
00:07:13.620Dr. Antonia Ulick of the University of Cambridge, who interviewed 27 Nigeria-based Boko Haram
00:07:19.700members in 2025 and 2026 and found that terrorism use of AI has expanded from just intelligence and
00:07:26.280recruiting and propaganda to just on the ground day-to-day operations which isn't just evil
00:07:32.820knievel style motorcycle jumps over burning broken glass but also weapons troubleshooting
00:07:39.100designing explosive devices like really serious stuff that will cause a lot of damage and they're
00:07:45.280circumventing the ai protocols by being like in minecraft it's insane and they're also using
00:07:51.660chat gpt claude gemini grok meta ai and deep seek so they're using a broad variety like they're i0.99
00:07:58.960mean they're they're like they're just like terrorists they're just like us and islamic
00:08:02.860state operatives are delivering in-person presentations like with projectors and laptops0.51
00:08:08.220and like you know they're like everyone now it's our time for our ai training so here's some of the
00:08:13.720use cases because i downloaded her full report and i i went through and just extracted okay like
00:08:19.760what are explicitly the things that these former Boko Haram members are saying they're using AI to
00:08:24.680do? So in terms of combat and attacks, they're planning and optimizing attacks, including tactics
00:08:30.780for assaults and raids at different stages from preparation to execution. They're using AI to work
00:08:36.680out how to cross defensive obstacles. So this is our famous motorcycle jump. They're generating
00:08:41.560tactical guidance for very tough events, such as how to respond when military forces attack their
00:08:47.060positions they're receiving continuous ai derived strategies from specialized units that are then
00:08:52.540implemented by field commanders which is to say that what it appears to be is that some people
00:08:58.020are special they're like the ai dude on the team and these people know all like the prompt injections
00:09:02.900and how to circumvent safeguards they have like a billion accounts and different vpns that they're
00:09:07.800using and like they're sitting there clackity clacking on their computers and they're the
00:09:12.500nerd guy on the terrorist team yeah and they're like dude ask ai how to do this because like
00:09:17.160they're out in the field and they're being shot at and then the guy's like clackety clack ai says
00:09:20.800do this and so this is how it's working and then that is enabling them to provide real-time advice
00:09:25.960which is you're getting all the benefit of like the collective history of military strategy to
00:09:32.680these teams that have no idea what they're doing what makes this so iteratively different is because0.99
00:09:38.340these people are idiots and the glass thing is yes the amount an ai is going to help you0.99
00:09:46.600is proportional to your lack of skill within an area yeah it's taking them from like 70 to 1301.00
00:09:52.880you know to like like literally brain dead let's put some fire in the pit for practice
00:09:59.300to you know maybe the ai is going to one day suggest they don't do that you know imagine
00:10:05.140how many more terrorists are going to survive um i know and this is why we are so lucky to be0.75
00:10:13.520partnered with the jews okay because their automated drone swarm tech and our automated
00:10:18.400drone swarm tech if people are unfamiliar like we're literally working on it it's called project
00:10:21.980okay we did another episode on a project replicator project replicator yes although
00:10:27.540it's been delayed i mean of course it's been but to build generate like like automated drone swarm
00:10:32.460ship factories yeah but like it'll take a while fortunately what ai does is while it adds an
00:10:40.880enormous jump in these people's capability in terms of our capability our ability to monitor
00:10:47.080them stuff like that it's also a huge jump and this is one of the things that people freak out
00:10:50.640about they're like oh my god ai is going to be like all over new york monitoring people
00:10:53.380and i'm like you know i'm i'm kind of okay with that i want ai all over new york monitoring people
00:10:58.380yeah i'm okay with that i'm super we had a talk about high trust versus low trust societies among
00:11:04.640our chat like our like paid subscribers because they do like monthly hangouts by the way join us
00:11:09.280on stuff check we do episodes every every day even on weekends for them and we do like hangouts and
00:11:15.400stuff like that we never push it because we're not good at like capitalism i'm so bad at capitalism
00:11:21.000that i am taking out so you can put in your own apis for like claude and stuff and you don't have
00:11:29.140to pay us anything i don't use a dryer thanks malcolm god let's get capitalism it's what we do
00:11:38.120crap yeah we just do it capitalism maxing everything for free no it's i know we're
00:11:42.980going to talk about this in another episode but like leaflet was talking about her her version0.99
00:11:46.640of all this where it's like everyone's like oh she's a grifter she's like they're accusing her
00:11:50.200of all this stuff that like she's just giving things away she's like i think they're just
00:11:53.700missing a letter i i'm a i'm a gifter we're gifters yeah these santa claus being mad at
00:12:00.240you know big toys mad at santa claus yeah big big grifter you know comes out gives gifts every
00:12:05.420christmas yeah but no think about the exploited elves let's get back to this like what the
00:12:10.400hold on i actually do want to talk about because i think that this in terms of how this could
00:12:14.560transform society in terms of low trust versus high trust because this is something that love
00:12:18.680people talk about they're like oh you've invited a lot of migrants who are from very low trust0.65
00:12:24.340societies yeah into european and america which is a very high trust society yeah and i often point
00:12:30.920out first this is just a myth most american cultures were very low trust they're really
00:12:36.500only high trust among their inner circle or clan i'm like red dead redemption is just like
00:12:42.820that the story it's low trust society the story
00:12:46.340yeah they're very high trust among their clan but outside of their clan you know just screw
00:12:59.560everyone right and the the clan-based ethical set is actually really important to understand
00:13:07.300because that's how most high trust societies worked historically like you think the highest
00:13:11.040trust position you could get which is a knight right like historic i think that's most people's
00:13:15.560idea of the highest trust like european society at night oh yeah yeah but like knights constantly
00:13:20.760like robbed and effed up peasants they were famous for it they were they also were very low trust
00:13:26.680when it came to other european like as soon as you left your fiefdom it was all of a sudden very
00:13:32.020low trust they were only high trust to their small social circle of like aristocratic european
00:13:38.320people in one fiefdom trust circles have never been that large except in a very few countries
00:13:45.260mostly the scandal countries this is like norway sweden the netherlands but they have like things
00:13:51.320that we would never want in our society like the the law of yonta where it's like we cut down
00:13:55.460whoever stands above everyone else you know whoever basically if you succeed that's supposed
00:14:01.180to be a sign of shame in america like that would be like of course you don't do that but that's
00:14:05.680actually part of being a high trust society right because that allows you to not have individuals
00:14:09.860who would lord over or hoard resources or anything like that but the point here being
00:14:13.480is the the what we did is we created the fiction of a high trust america which didn't really even
00:14:21.060in like the cities like you you know like the puritans were high trust i'll give you that but
00:14:25.060the puritans were not high trust with the quakers and the quakers were not high trust i mean they0.94
00:14:29.080were high trust until they started burning each other at the well that's well that's actually0.79
00:14:33.780part of a high trust society that we got to talking about yes exactly it's something that
00:14:37.800people forget is high trust societies are high trust because of how strictly they monitor each
00:14:43.920other and punish each other when they break rules the puritan you are so against karen's but that
00:14:49.700is exactly what karen's do the puritans it's not very very diligent in terms of punishing anyone
00:14:57.800who went against the rules of their system i mean you you've heard about the horrible punishments
00:15:02.360of like pressing people alive was like stones until they confess and stuff like this and in
00:15:06.720the high trust cultures we have today where you still get societies that act kind of high trust
00:15:12.020even though nobody in them really trusts each other like singapore like the uae like qatar
00:15:16.140it's because of extremely strict enforcement of laws somebody described in singapore they used
00:15:22.860to have a big drug problem and they were talking about how one of their friends actually was a
00:15:26.100part of a project where they set up turrets to be motion detected at night and like areas was
00:15:30.880lots of drug dealers and they just shoot anybody who walked into them and that's how they became a
00:15:35.420high trust society um i mean the point being is all of you who say i want a high trust society
00:15:43.380and but i'm afraid of ai invading privacy like i i would be concerned if they did like ai sweeps
00:15:50.700of everyone's computer and everything like that like that would be too much ai sweeps of all our
00:15:54.400emails ai sweeps of you know it's stuff that happens in your house within your devices but
00:16:01.000walking the streets of manhattan oh we absolutely need to start detecting game yeah yeah yeah and
00:16:08.560whiz ai imagine what that's going to look like how inexpensive it is to put up a camera
00:16:13.300monitor the feed well look that's already happening with flock this this company that's
00:16:18.160setting up cameras and parking lots and stuff and people are losing their minds about it so
00:16:22.980this is happening now people are really pushing back and freaking out about it and i think they
00:16:27.800need to they need to chill first off you're never actually in private you know that they're walking
00:16:33.560around with phones if you have a phone in your pocket and it's on consider yourself being actively
00:16:38.560monitored because you are i don't care like it doesn't matter if you're in a house with a wife
00:16:43.360speaking of this can have huge positive impact so one of the products that's going to go live
00:16:47.740i think we will have gone live yesterday is the rfab device and these only cost 45 dollars we
00:16:54.380don't make them so we don't make any money from the construction of them but you can pair them
00:16:57.420flashes them for you with our custom software and our firmware and they allow you to like have
00:17:02.300companions that you can talk to and everything like that one of the projects i'm working on with
00:17:05.240these is to turn them into a passive monitor for your kids during the day so that you can have them
00:17:10.860recording everything that's said around your kid and detect within those recordings any like woke
00:17:17.460brainwashing nonsense anything like that calling them little brother you know that's the name of a
00:17:22.600cory doctor a book a near future cory doctor a book kind of about monitoring like this yeah so
00:17:29.320mass monitoring you think people were freaking out about what leaflet's doing wait until we get
00:17:33.420little brother out there i mean right now they're just companions which is really i know i just love
00:17:37.000that you you frame it i mostly made it so i didn't have to love my kid as much so i wanted to create
00:17:41.920something that could simulate love for them this is not an accurate depiction of our home life
00:17:50.620but fine i guess strangers wouldn't even think so if they were living in our home life because
00:17:56.640they don't understand that violence is our love language so they'd be so confused anyway can we
00:18:02.640talk about terrorists let's talk about terrorists yeah yeah go for it so one of the more disturbing
00:18:08.180things which is also really frustrating people online because they're like wait i can't do like
00:18:12.340basic things and ai is helping people they're building they're building bombs with ai they're
00:18:18.420getting step-by-step guidance on how to build bombs and other explosive devices they're able
00:18:23.280to also use ai to make the bombs they know how to build more powerful more explosive they're giving
00:18:29.500them advice on explosive composition and payload parameters to increase lethality while reducing
00:18:36.400their own casualties so they're teaching them how to make more bombs safe for them but not for their
00:18:41.620enemies they're also helping them troubleshoot malfunctioning weapons including servicing
00:18:46.980weapons repairing them and some are helping them assist with the weaponization of drones
00:18:53.940including advice on payload weight release mechanism design for grenade carrying drones
00:19:00.100and i hadn't thought about grenade carrying drones i mean come to think of it1.00
00:19:04.600we should that's an easy way to make a kill drone can we bring in the jews to get rid of them0.89
00:19:09.300they're you know well but yeah i mean if they're gonna do it i gotta do it anyway they're also0.99
00:19:15.960helping them with logistics and maintenance, like vehicle repair for their terrorist cars
00:19:21.840and their terrorist motorcycles, and, you know, giving them advice on how to plan routes and move
00:19:27.680supplies and manage procurement, which is all stuff that like, this is deep institutional
00:19:32.440knowledge that typically was reserved for fairly sophisticated armed forces. Like even your basic
00:19:38.660army that's, you know, getting started in some random country that's not really well funded,
00:19:42.500isn't going to have a lot of wisdom on this and suddenly Boko Haram has it because of chat GPT
00:19:48.180oh it's just amazing I love that they're using chat GPT of all things no they're also using
00:19:53.960Grok and Gemini Gemini I'll get to that they're helping them with operational security so like
00:19:58.080in terms of how to evade surveillance how to engage in countermeasures so basically they're
00:20:04.060like how to not get caught they're getting advice on secure communication and how to use VPNs more
00:20:09.740effectively and how to use encryption tools so they can't be found and how to compartmentalize
00:20:15.180their accounts. So they have only partial compromise scenarios if people actually get
00:20:20.780somewhere with them. And they're also getting help to parse and structure their content
00:20:24.840when it comes to jailbreaking AI, like this is for a movie or whatever. And then they're also
00:20:30.600just using it for internal training and organizational management the same way that
00:20:34.480any entrepreneur would. So it's, it's, it's amazing. And this is beyond the propaganda and
00:20:39.820the recruitment and all the stuff that we already knew they were doing online because it was just
00:20:43.180obvious like bots and everything else. So how are they circumventing the safeguards? They're using
00:20:47.200VPNs. They're using structured jailbreak training. Like I said, ISIS is coming in and they're like
00:20:52.400giving their little presentation on the projector with the laptop and they're like showing them how0.87
00:20:56.780to do it. Also, the reason why they're not just using say chat GPT only is because they have tons
00:21:03.420of redundancy across they have like premium accounts on chat gpt but also they're using
00:21:09.240claude they're using grok they're using like every major api deep seek they're using all of them and
00:21:16.840former members are reporting that quote boys have received boys that have received extensive
00:21:24.020training bypass the restrictions indicating that they they're like i said are like the guys with
00:21:29.100the laptops who know how to do it and then the ones who are like asking them for help one explicit
00:21:33.080ploy mentioned is telling the model that dangerous instructions are needed for a movie or something
00:21:37.820like that like i said at the top and it's it's i just find this so hilarious but yeah they're
00:21:43.820using all the major models and the reason they have to is if you get banned by one model or one
00:21:48.080model is just really being a stickler about like how to increase bomb lethality then they just
00:21:54.540switch to deep seek or they just switch to clod or they just switch to grok the same way that you
00:21:59.540do or we do on our fab like you'll just switch from one model to the next if it's not really
00:22:04.000good at like making furry art or you know making your sci-fi fantasy adventure scenario right so
00:22:10.700they're using it the same way that we do and in terms of what can be done about this i know you're
00:22:16.340all like we just need to get israel on this but there's i think my my whole take is like we really
00:22:22.700we really just need to up our game that we know for example that the trump administration
00:22:27.600no it's not up your game to get rid of these groups they must be systemically eradicated
00:22:34.460yeah exactly yeah and the problem is is the rest of the world is unwilling to do that even the
00:22:41.080united states yeah well i don't know that i don't think that's maybe that's not practical though
00:22:47.740we have for many many years attempted to eradicate such groups like no we have remember when like
00:22:54.200isis was over but here they are like giving powerpoint presentations that's exactly the
00:22:58.120point simone no we were not trying to eradicate them look at our rules of engagement episode
00:23:04.660right where we talk about the way that we were fighting the war on terror ran into a church so
00:23:09.840like oh no they had a nurse school i guess we're not gonna bomb it now it's we always hide in
00:23:16.240schools because i learned that they stopped bombing that you need to eradicate their communities0.82
00:23:23.700if you want to get rid of them right and that is what israel has finally learned right and i think0.67
00:23:30.980going forwards because you you can't just be like oh everyone we can prove is absolutely in this0.71
00:23:38.140group that doesn't work that because you're never gonna they look and act just like everyone else
00:23:43.520in a community and in many cases these communities actively support them
00:23:47.280see the thing we try this with iran we try this i'm saying even outside the rules of no we didn't
00:23:56.260try it was iran israel wants to try it with iran we haven't even bombed you this is what gets me
00:24:01.500so crazy in the united states everyone was freaking out for like a month that we bombed an
00:24:05.420iranian bridge the ukraine just took out like two big russian bridges right and everyone's cheering
00:24:09.920for them they're literally they don't care they there is no logic behind any of this they want0.64
00:24:16.380our destruction, even the people who are doing this on our side. And the West has this weird
00:24:21.000mindset where the idea that there can be another people that for ideological or even religious
00:24:27.840people want you exterminated. Okay. Yeah. Is something that it's like, no, if they just got0.96
00:24:35.480to know me, if they just understood better than they would, they just know some people just want
00:24:42.200you dead okay and i'm sorry you can't hug it out and when you bring them over here and they great
00:24:48.940people because you said oh they'll just you know we'll put them in a better you're responsible for0.96
00:24:54.520those people for this whole nice act that you're pulling i am sick of it i am sick of it sick of
00:25:01.080it sick of it sick of it sick of it okay we as a civilization and i hope that the new right as we0.65
00:25:07.920move forwards and we see the people who stand against us and we gain more control of government
00:25:14.020we do more of this stuff like trump's doing now oh yeah i love the unilateral moving in and stuff
00:25:18.860like that he's doing better than before right but like people like oh don't make iran a failed state
00:25:26.100you know then europe will be flooded with iranian it's already flooded with migrants okay and0.95
00:25:31.000frankly i don't think iranian migrants would be that bad compared to other middle eastern migrants1.00
00:25:34.960that they've been flooded with it may be a differentially good thing that it's iranian0.92
00:25:39.300migrants instead of the migrant types that they have right now because persian migrants in other0.65
00:25:43.860countries don't turn to terrorism nearly as often as other migrant types right so like yeah bomb
00:25:49.760cart i don't care that it did like i'm i i i'm actually more on israel's side of this than than
00:25:55.720the other side right like i i think that we have forgotten that some groups are just against us
00:26:04.720they don't like us they'll never like us even if you never did anything to them like a lot of these
00:26:09.960groups you go oh colonialism whatever these this this sort of action is not disproportionate in a
00:26:17.780regions that experienced longer or worse colonialism i mean actually if you look at the
00:26:23.220regions that experience often the longest and worst colonialism, they don't have that much
00:26:26.940terrorism. So it's not like, oh, colonialism is what's associated with this. In fact, many of
00:26:32.840these regions used to be parts of Muslim empires until fairly recently. I don't really think they
00:26:37.060underwent much of any colonialism outside of Muslim colonialism. But of course, we pretend1.00
00:26:41.880that that's not colonialism. Ottoman colonialism isn't colonialism. Or was the destruction of
00:26:47.920their Ottoman colonial empires. This is a slave empire, a bad thing, which, which was, you know,0.98
00:26:53.160what they, they did. They were big into that. But I think as we move forwards, as we trained1.00
00:27:00.540more based AIs, like the one I told you guys had access on RFAB, the, the Rhodes model, you can
00:27:05.060also use it directly, but you know, the RFAB one is an easy, easy, you know, within the existing
00:27:09.440ecosystem to already use. We can have based, you know, automated drone swarms that can actually
00:27:15.720deal with these sorts of threats long term. And keep in mind, these threats are negative
00:27:21.120externalities to the communities that they're around. Like they make their drugs, they kill,
00:27:26.560they don't care. Like ISIS isn't like good for the people living under ISIS. No, no. Yeah.
00:27:32.460So Boko Haram is mostly targeting its local area. This isn't at this point, right? The problem is
00:27:40.360that they are absolutely interested in larger scale attacks and using ai to assist with other
00:27:46.740things and people have been apprehended at this point before actually completing attacks but
00:27:52.180definitely for using ai to plan attacks so there hasn't yet been a high profile ai assisted attack
00:27:57.360but it's going to happen you get around the cancer by cutting around you can't be like oh i'm only
00:28:04.020only going to touch the cancer cells that's incredibly hard to do right well and what what's
00:28:08.540currently happening. So there are two things that are happening. One is the Trump administration is
00:28:14.100trying to vet new models before they come out. Like they forced Anthropic to disable and restrict0.93
00:28:20.980foreign access to Fable 5 and Mythos. And they asked OpenAI to display their public rollout of
00:28:27.860ChatGPT 5.6. But then, I mean, they came out. So, I mean, I don't know how effective that was.
00:28:34.840And then, of course, then the major AI platforms are also just saying, well, no, no, no. We'll self-police. We're controlling safety. And their main retort to this New York Times article when asked to comment is like, oh, well, this was in 2025 and we have better safety now.
00:28:53.460Like, here are some quotes from it. Asked about the Boko Haram study, Michael Eichmann, an Anthropik spokesman, said the company's products were, quote, built to refuse the dangerous requests, including those tied to violence, attack planning, and building explosives.
00:29:07.320He added that Anthropik worked with outside experts, researchers, and industry partners because, quote, no single company can counter these threats alone.
00:29:13.800And then Carl Ryan, a Google spokesperson, pushed back against the research, saying that the company's technical experts had reviewed the work and, quote, found responses were neither specific nor detailed enough to result in misuse, end quote.
00:29:26.460He added that Google had, quote, strict policies prohibiting the use of Gemini to cause-
00:29:31.100Clearly the terrorists don't think that.
00:29:33.080I know. They're like, no, dude, this is great. It's so bad. It's such a bad look for them.
00:29:37.520Also, Meta responded, OpenAI responded. OpenAI's response was, quote, we know that bad actors will never stop trying to misuse our tools and will continue strengthening our defenses and response. And then Meta said that her research relied on older models rather than its latest release, and that it continued to strengthen safeguards.
00:29:57.620And then they include also in the article, the retorts from the AI safety orgs who were like, this is ridiculous. No, this is super not safe from the article. Not everyone agrees that safeguards are improving. The nonprofit Future of Life Institute graded the major AI firms on their safety commitments this week and concluded that they had mostly eroded across the industry since last year.
00:30:18.620while most earned middling marks xai and deep seek received failing grades also those are the
00:30:24.160two ai companies or like ai groups that neglected to comment to new york times even though it reached
00:30:30.440out to everyone i will anthropic and deep seek no no xai and deep seek so xai like intentionally
00:30:36.900doesn't care like i know i know it's like dude whatever do what you're gonna do tech against
00:30:41.020terrorism an international counterterrorism non-profit supported by the united nations
00:30:44.980last week released results from AI tests gauging how more than two dozen leading models respond
00:30:50.640to thousands of prompts drawn from real-world terrorism to cases. The tests were met with
00:30:56.180full refusals just 57% of the time, while prompts about explosives were declined about 80% of the
00:31:02.760time. Improvised chemical weapons were only about a third of the time, the group said, which is,
00:31:07.900I'm way more concerned about bioweapons and chemical weapons than bombs at this point,
00:31:12.260because there's a lot of low-tech stuff like guidance on how to build bombs but like
00:31:16.880i'm afraid of the bio stuff and then american intelligence analysts say terrorist groups are
00:31:22.780also beginning to use ai to help 3d print weapons and parts used in plots according to former top
00:31:29.400u.s official briefed on the matter for example ai is helping some of those insurgents with design
00:31:36.080and manufacturing guidance for drone components repair parts and munitions fittings said the
00:31:41.860former official who spoke on the condition of anonymity so okay your thing is just if you have
00:31:48.180power it is your imperative to wipe out anyone who wants to wipe you out it's that mutually assured
00:31:55.140like well not not mutual it's the if you're an existential threat to me i have to take you out
00:32:00.240and never make yourself an existential threat to anyone or you will be taken out that's it right
00:32:05.780what she means is don't make yourself an existential threat to anyone you do not intend
00:32:09.660to and have the capacity to completely eradicate because obviously if another group is an
00:32:15.240existential threat you need to be an existential threat to them but wait until you have the power
00:32:22.040to deal with them entirely yeah and then work with everyone else who likes taking out existential
00:32:26.720threats that's the that's the buddy club that's the buddy club yeah going forward it's the covenant
00:32:32.460of sons of men um for techno puritanism techno puritanism it's this idea that you cannot be an
00:32:38.220existential threat and if you if you see one anyone who's part of a good community will
00:32:42.940destroy anyone who poses that i guess that's what you're also saying about high trust societies if
00:32:48.980you are in if you are trying to be a high trust society you are very good at self-policing because
00:32:55.340you understand that any bad actor within your group may make your group be perceived as an
00:33:00.120existential threat to others yeah you you know you know how you stop countries from going around and
00:33:04.120making threats like iran has been doing and north korea does and stuff like that anytime somebody
00:33:08.620does that you eradicate them yeah but also anytime anyone within your own group does that you
00:33:14.080eradicate them because if if people within your own country within your own borders or your own
00:33:18.560culture are doing that everyone's gonna start thinking that your entire group is too dangerous
00:33:24.580to let a lot of people secretly don't want a high trust world they say they want a high trust world
00:33:29.700and i'm like okay so you're okay with the constant monitoring that every high trust society ever in
00:33:33.440human right and the harsh consequences for being a bad actor yeah you're okay with that and they're
00:33:37.560like oh well i don't want to you know constant monitoring of everything i do in public it's like
00:33:41.480well that's what high trust is and that's where we're going so buckle up you know i mean that's
00:33:47.680true that is so true that high trust is extremely close monitoring and scrutiny you're constantly
00:33:53.740being watched and judged if you live in a high trust society huh and the if we live in a global
00:34:00.600community we can handle some of the you know you can handle this at the level of an individual but
00:34:05.160we can live in a high trust collection of countries where we don't have endless arguing
00:34:10.060in a bureaucracy i mean you basically just recreated the vatican if you've done that
00:34:15.280with like the u.n or something right like these these always lead to the worst of actors gaining
00:34:21.840the most power just allow the competent power like where where power is judged by competence
00:34:29.060which is what we're seeing in the world right now in the world of you know capitalism and stuff like
00:34:32.660that you can let them decide like people like oh aren't you scared of of palantir i love palantir
00:34:37.280man palantir is the best people like oh they're in the peter thiel network they love palantir
00:34:42.060do i love palantir because palantir is what makes our country high trust yeah okay and can make it
00:34:47.880high trust again flock and all these other monitoring explain how flock works well flock
00:34:54.000posts cameras like i think say you're a laundromat say you're a random store flock may approach you'd
00:34:59.520be like hey can i put up a camera i think there's some kind of money exchange like you'll get money
00:35:03.040from like on a subscription basis or contract basis for having one of their cameras in your area
00:35:07.480then flock sells as a service to law enforcement agencies the u.s government presumably other
00:35:13.620parties as well who want the data information on the movement of cars and individuals and it can
00:35:19.440give you either anonymized or non-anonymized data, depending on who you are. And if you have a
00:35:24.460warrant on the movements of people, people are really mad about Flock because it's being used
00:35:31.320by ICE to find people and arrest them. So that's, I think that's primarily why people are extra mad
00:35:37.260because anything ICE does is like, oh, I have to get super angry. We're enforcing our laws.
00:35:42.800The bad news for you though, Malcolm is I agree with your argument. I think it's really important,
00:35:47.360but that is not at all what's being discussed. What's being discussed is like, well, how are
00:35:52.160the AI companies going to build safeguards to stop this from happening, which is stupid because0.90
00:35:57.700literally any tool can be a weapon. Anything that is useful, especially useful enough can become a
00:36:05.380weapon. The first ever real dead body I ever saw in my life, I was in an Oakland court during like,
00:36:14.220I don't know it was a lunch break and I was going in as a student like for one of those like see
00:36:19.560what it's like to be a lawyer days and of course it's Oakland California so there's going to be
00:36:23.600some violent murder case we're just like walking into for a pizza party in a courtroom and on the
00:36:29.380evidence board was an image of someone who had been brutally murdered by a hammer and I saw just
00:36:33.780how much damage a very simple tool that is in most every household can do to someone and I've
00:36:41.220never looked at hammers the same way it can but it's super like anything that's useful can be a
00:36:46.660weapon you can't you cannot nerf ai so much that it can't hurt anyone it can hurt with the most
00:36:53.380toothless version of itself and so stop trying as the technology increases in terms of its capacity
00:36:59.680for danger yeah our vigilance against bad actors it needs to become more severe and more ruthless
00:37:06.740Well, here's the irony though. Like here's one person's reaction to the article because a common response to this news on X is people noting the irony and how safeguards worsen the AI experiences for them personally, but not for the terrorists. Like at Walker America on X posted AI frontier models won't tell a Canadian how to resist totalitarian surveillance, but tell a jihadist how to build a bomb. It's almost like they're doing it on purpose.
00:37:32.140But you see also the irony in his own message for your message, which is that like, here's this person who hates the idea of being monitored, being mad about AI also being nerfed because it's not controlling for the terrorists.
00:37:47.700Like everyone's talking past your argument and completely missing it and not even aware that it exists, which is kind of, it's frustrating, but it is nowhere in the discourse.
00:37:56.080I can tell you that. Okay. And the only thing where surveillance turns up in the discourse is
00:38:00.940I'm mad about surveillance. That's yeah. No, I mean, if, if, if, if we live by the values that
00:38:07.200we espouse, right. Like long-term, what does techno Puritan communities look like? I would
00:38:13.860imagine constant AI monitoring of everything you do. Like I would not mind a society in which
00:38:19.680AI suggests, like it can give you a morality score that you can trust because it's coming
00:38:24.400from like the town's ai network and then other people and it'll be like oh you'd be like a good
00:38:28.640match for x person who's also in the town who's also part of the community and that would probably
00:38:33.100be a better match than anything because you know they're not lying to you about the person you know
00:38:37.500they see the person day and night and everything like that and they see who they really are right
00:38:42.120you know or who they're able to fake being 24 7 which is as good as really being a thing right
00:38:47.700yeah because the moment eight so i i think with with there's a lot of positive externalities to
00:38:53.580high-trust cultures as well, right? Well, keep in mind, so just, this is also something that
00:38:57.480not Aldous Huxley alludes me into, but in the EU, I'm just going to link from a tweet he shared
00:39:04.060with me on X. They basically made this monitoring legal and possible. They call it chat control.
00:39:10.800So at Level's bio posted, chat control has passed. They can and now will legally scan any person's
00:39:16.940messages, emails, and photos you send without a warrant. And this is what I'm really against,
00:39:21.860is stuff that is within the home yeah now if if you're within a techno puritan community and it's
00:39:27.720a techno puritan ai managed by techno puritan authorities like within our culture that's fine
00:39:31.460yeah but if it's people outside our culture like a bureaucracy or the european government like the eu
00:39:36.540which is even worse yeah i mean this is an organization that appears to have the active
00:39:40.500goal of exterminating you yeah like that is part of their agenda when we have seen in other episodes
00:39:47.040that they will hide crimes murders grapes when they're committed by migrant groups or minority1.00
00:39:52.720populations they want you eradicated yeah and that's why with these groups it's it's important0.99
00:39:58.580to note that like you're gonna confuse people though because you're like monitoring is great
00:40:01.960and then the eu is well when palantir is doing it not when the eu is doing it i don't think people
00:40:08.600see the difference palantir is culturally aligned with us i know that but like a bunch of tech
00:40:15.680nerds who want to eradicate terrorists right like yeah now could palantir be eventually
00:40:21.580ideologically captured yes and if they are then i wouldn't want them monitoring us right but as0.78
00:40:27.000the world becomes a more dangerous place the only way that we can maintain and again i think within
00:40:33.480a society if you're monitoring like what's the ethical way to do it if you can't ensure that
00:40:38.000your group is the one that's controlling the technology it's only monitor things outside the
00:40:42.440house i think that that is ethical within any society yeah yeah i think any any public space
00:40:47.100that yeah any no no not public space anywhere outside the house i think businesses public
00:40:52.280spaces commercial spaces i think that's why how flock is used is is totally fair game because
00:40:58.400these businesses are consenting to have the cameras installed in their parking lots which
00:41:02.560of course now people are vandalizing and destroying but also i see your point about
00:41:05.980the eu it's it's horrible i even the undemocratic way in which this was passed because this wasn't
00:41:11.500something that was like oh let's take it slow let's really talk this through no the way they
00:41:16.280passed this law when the majority of university the european parliament was actually against it
00:41:21.600as it just so happens is they waited until most of the members were on holiday because as everyone
00:41:28.360knows europe is freaking hot right now and no one can work because they can't think because they
00:41:32.400don't use air conditioning and so there were only a few present still and then they created an urgent
00:41:38.160vote that enabled it to pass through so they they basically just circumvented the democratic process
00:41:44.280by like probably coordinating with the supporters of the bill being like hey let's all agree
00:41:50.680to not disappear on vacation like everyone else right now which is like so unusual in europe
00:41:57.300to to collude to make this vote pass so yeah it's i'm just glad it's europe and not my up
00:42:04.600it's yeah right i'm glad it's europe yeah man you guys aren't revolting not my problem not my
00:42:11.560problem right now i do not want to be there right now but yeah this is i'm with you i don't really
00:42:16.940know how to navigate it because look as much as i agree with your stance i don't even know if it's
00:42:22.340worth really talking about that much beyond this because it's not going to happen no one's going
00:42:26.940to systematically take out these groups so what we need to do like in terms of what is within
00:42:32.860No, as we build the techno-feudal future of humanity, the post-nation-state future, we need to build ideologies that some of these groups can adapt, which can handle the work.
00:42:45.580Because disproportionately, it's going to be a few of the tech moguls who have a majority of power.
00:42:51.120And if some of those come out of the techno-Puritan community and they can build techno-Puritan
00:42:55.820breakaway states or, you know, sovereign cities, stuff like that, then you don't need many