Based Camp - How Did the Left Lose the Internet？ The Deck Was Stacked In Their Favor

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! I saw a video recently that I want to play a little clip from that argues that the

00:00:05.620 left, and this is a leftist arguing this, has essentially lost the battle for the internet,

00:00:10.560 and the statistics she provides are compelling. So I play the video clip.

00:00:15.840 There is no alt-left pipeline, because for the longest time, the internet was the alt-left

00:00:22.340 pipeline. Maybe it doesn't feel like it anymore, but for over a decade, it felt like the internet

00:00:27.200 belonged to us, the progressives, the feminists, the socialists, the Bernie bros, the techno-revolutionaries,

00:00:35.040 the Wikipedia editors, and not just Tumblr, the internet. And then, first slowly by the co-opting

00:00:42.680 of beloved online mascots like Pepe and Doge and Joe Rogan, and then, all at once in the last year or

00:00:49.800 so, the right took over the internet. In the 2010s, the culture war was ours to lose, and we lost.

00:00:56.520 We buffed that man. Having blue hair and an ambiguous sexual orientation, that used to be

00:01:03.920 cool. Know them. I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. It'll happen to you.

00:01:10.860 Anyway, the left wing of American politics is the Democrats, I'm sorry to tell you. They are pouring

00:01:16.540 money into throwing cringe yet lavish coconut-themed parties for online influencers, and plot twist,

00:01:23.360 I was one of those influencers. And everybody is rightfully dunking on it online. Meanwhile,

00:01:30.240 the Republicans seem to have an unstoppable wave of organic support from basically every

00:01:36.880 podcaster who doesn't talk, like, with the NPR voice. Today on our show, we're gonna be discussing

00:01:42.040 the ways in which, like that. So I ask, what the happened? Now, you might be saying, Hazel,

00:01:47.580 you're catastrophizing, okay? The internet is still very left, or at least a liberal place,

00:01:53.660 and to that I say...

00:01:54.460 That's right, look at it!

00:01:58.500 Look at it! Look at it! I want all of you to look at it!

00:02:03.560 Almost all the most popular channels on YouTube, not to mention the, um, the other, all the other

00:02:12.060 ones, including Rumble? Should, should I be posting my show on Rumble? Uh, yeah, so they're all right-leaning.

00:02:21.320 This Media Matters report shows that nine out of the top ten online shows had right-leaning politics,

00:02:26.600 and across the internet, the right-wingers took the lion's share of the views. This is a big deal,

00:02:32.160 this has real-world effects, obviously, because now they're calling the 2024 election the podcast

00:02:37.520 election, and Trump is also doing this. He specifically thanked podcasters in his inauguration

00:02:43.440 speech.

00:02:43.960 Now, you hadn't seen these statistics before. What are your thoughts?

00:02:47.180 This is so surprising to me, because as you know, I mostly consume leftist media on YouTube,

00:02:53.100 and so my perception is that YouTube is just a socialist, Marxist, super left-leaning echo chamber,

00:03:02.180 and that we are among the very few that, that post content that's conservative, aside from like some,

00:03:09.580 you know, conservative niches, but the mainstream stuff is super progressive.

00:03:14.540 And it used to be that way.

00:03:16.880 Okay, so what happened was, is she saying this happened after Trump was elected?

00:03:21.720 By the way, I was just watching a left-leaning video in which this one financially, she's supposed 0.73

00:03:26.980 to be financially focused, but she's just incredibly politically polarized, interviewed among other

00:03:31.500 people, Princess Weeks, a very progressive YouTuber, and she literally bleeped out President Trump's 1.00

00:03:38.320 name. Like, it was a bad word. Yes. Yes. Like, this is how, because it's too, maybe because it's

00:03:44.340 too triggering. Anyway, like, this is how, how, I'm just so surprised by this, right? Like, in light

00:03:50.760 of what I'm listening to.

00:03:51.740 It actually makes sense if you think about, if I think of any YouTuber or online personality

00:03:55.960 who rose to fame, let's say from 1990 to 2010, my assumption is going to be that they are left-wing.

00:04:03.420 Because you could not have gained all that political, or, oh, sorry, all of that, all

00:04:08.940 those followers without being banned if you weren't progressive.

00:04:12.340 Well, that's part of it, yes, which is why they, because they had a lot more editorial control

00:04:16.580 back then.

00:04:17.160 Yeah.

00:04:17.440 But they were just all progressive. But what I mean is if you were like a neutral content

00:04:21.440 creator, right? Like, if you were MatPat, or you were, you know, shoe on head, or you

00:04:28.400 were, you know, you're creating content that is like, maybe sometimes it touches on the

00:04:32.220 political, the Green Brothers or something, or you were, you know, the, the show that

00:04:38.040 became RealPolitik, what did he do? The, the bald guy who I like, Vsauce, you know, all

00:04:44.100 of these individuals, you assumed, even if they don't talk about their politics, are far

00:04:47.640 lefties.

00:04:48.400 The Green Brothers, the, aka the Vlogbrothers, are super leftists.

00:04:52.500 Yeah. Or, oh, who is that lady who did like the song, Do You Want to Date My Avatar? 0.99

00:04:57.120 Which is actually pretty cool. Anyway, she's far leftist as well and everything. But now,

00:05:02.220 I often take- And Jenny Nicholson, leftist.

00:05:04.600 Yeah. Now I often take the opposite approach. I, I generally think anybody who's risen to

00:05:09.100 fame within the past 10 years, if, if they don't, if they only talk about their politics

00:05:13.800 casually or not explicitly, they're typically rightists.

00:05:16.780 So they were just closeted rightists when being a rightist would have otherwise gotten

00:05:20.720 them banned?

00:05:21.520 No. It's a new class of creators. It's, it's new people who were not famous before.

00:05:29.220 So they just got famous now? Like, after the second Trump election?

00:05:34.020 The people who got famous in the past 10 years, largely speaking, like, Asmogold. Asmogold

00:05:38.360 was not famous before 10 years ago. Like, he, he may have had some-

00:05:42.020 So you're saying this, this, this rise first started and they were first able to accumulate

00:05:47.320 momentum with the first Trump election?

00:05:51.100 Nuxinor. You know, no, I don't think it was the first Trump election. I, and I'm going

00:05:55.860 to argue why I don't think it was the first Trump election actually, because let's talk

00:05:59.240 about like what I think caused this, because I've been trying to like actually dig my brain

00:06:03.600 on this. And I think part of it is the way that each side relates to positions of power.

00:06:11.060 If I look at the online lefty YouTubers, none of them, and I mean, literally not one that

00:06:19.180 is popular that I am aware of is identifies as a Democrat. In fact, they are quite antagonistic

00:06:26.740 to the Democrats and see them as not real leftists. You know, like Hassan Piker is never going to

00:06:33.520 say I'm a Democrat, you know? No. And I'm, and I mean this, you know, not only will he not

00:06:38.360 say he's a Democrat, he let on his show, you know, AOC and Bernie, like two of the most

00:06:43.520 leftist Democrats. And he was roasted for it by his fan base. And so part of the question

00:06:48.560 is, is the right like that? It used to be, it used to be. And when I think about right

00:06:54.720 wing influencers, because for a while we've been trying to like build a coalition of them

00:06:58.160 that we can invite to stuff. And it used to be normal when I'd reach out to them and

00:07:01.700 I'd be like, look, I'm trying to put like a Republican coalition of influencers. And they'd

00:07:04.500 say, well, I'm not, I'm not a Republican. And I'd be like, everything you post is, what are you

00:07:10.140 talking about? And I realize that what you used to have was Republicans, and you had this on the

00:07:16.460 left as well, is fear a few things. One is, is that there's easy social status to be gained

00:07:22.520 in just, you know, shooting down everything, being like, oh, that's not cool. That's not cool.

00:07:28.680 Because clearly the implication is, is I am cool. I'm unique. I'm better than this. Yeah. Well,

00:07:33.960 because it's, it's very, I mean, any large political party is going to have its faults.

00:07:38.280 So it's much easier to be perfect by being like, well, I have nothing to do with them.

00:07:43.080 And then you would see post election cycles, the left was like this, right? Like

00:07:47.640 they'd say, well, obviously, you know, I might, I might, even if I, I might support the Democratic

00:07:52.840 party, obviously I hate Hillary Clinton. Obviously I hate, you know, they'd always say they hate 0.97

00:07:56.580 whoever was like the de facto leader of the party. And you actually saw this was Republicans during

00:08:01.940 Trump's first election cycle to an extent where people would be like, well, I'm a Republican,

00:08:05.860 but I'm not like a Trump is Republican. Right? Yeah. That did happen a lot.

00:08:09.940 And that's changed dramatically. Now it's not to say we don't have Republicans who have

00:08:13.660 turned against Trump. You know, you can see our episode. Why did the racists and anti-Semites

00:08:18.920 turn against Trump? You know, Nick Fuentes, leather apron club, David Duke, Richard Spencer,

00:08:23.880 all of them very aggressively try to get their followers to not vote for Trump. It's not like

00:08:27.300 they were tokenly against Trump. They were aggressively wanting Trump to lose and Kamala

00:08:32.320 to win, to basically treat the light a lesson for not caring about their little snowflake

00:08:36.680 opinions enough. And they showed a few things, one that we don't need people like them to win

00:08:40.960 elections and there is no point in catering to people like them. But then two, which, which I

00:08:45.540 thought was very interesting is when they turned against Trump at the same time, many, many more

00:08:52.320 mainstream Republicans, even people who may not fit a stereotypical Republican mold became very

00:08:58.220 pro-Trump. Like, for example, Asmogold. In his political positions, Asmogold is left of center.

00:09:08.040 In everything I've ever seen about him, Asmogold is left of center. And yet he is without hesitation 0.82

00:09:13.880 and unironically willing to say, I support Trump. You know, creators like Leaflet, who we've had on the

00:09:19.320 show. I love her. She is very centrist in her actual opinions, maybe left of center, yet she

00:09:26.020 will unapologetically support the Trump administration. You will see individuals like,

00:09:32.180 I mean, you just sort of say, you can consider us, right? Like we unapologetically. I, historically,

00:09:38.000 if you'd asked me a few cycles ago, I would have said, well, you know, I agree with a lot of the

00:09:42.680 things the right does and I, and I vote for them sometimes on the ticket, but I don't, you know,

00:09:46.820 agree with Trump. And the question is, is why did that change? Because I think this is a big part

00:09:52.380 of why the right's been able to win is that you're able to have fun within rightist circles and like

00:09:57.520 unironically support things. And it's not just about shooting down everyone else. But then the

00:10:03.580 other thing that I've noticed is we have our episode where we talk about the diversity of thought

00:10:07.640 within each political faction. And you can see there's very little on this graph I'm putting on

00:10:11.880 screen here. Very little diversity of thought within modern leftist culture and a very wide

00:10:16.360 degree of thought within modern rightist culture, which, which provides a secondary benefit, which

00:10:21.080 means there's a lot to talk about. Um, like why would somebody watch two hours of a right-wing

00:10:26.560 podcast? Cause you don't know what's going to be said. Like, I don't even understand when people

00:10:30.000 are like, I want a two hour left-wing podcast like Joe Rogan. It's like, but you know, all of their

00:10:34.600 opinions. Like, why are you watching it?

00:10:36.460 And that's an interesting point. Yeah. But although, I mean, I will, I will argue that

00:10:41.060 there's, I don't consume a lot of right-wing content because I do feel like a lot of it's

00:10:46.320 this curmudgeonly repetition.

00:10:49.860 No, I mean, you do get curmudgeon right-wing content. Like recently we've ragged a few times

00:10:54.020 on Sargon of Akkad or Carl Benjamin. And I like him as a content creator, but he very much takes

00:10:59.760 like the curmudgeon approach. And, and you know, and that's one of the reasons, like, I don't

00:11:04.500 understand how we have the highest overlap with his channels. Cause while I like his

00:11:08.640 channels, I always know exactly what his opinion is going to be on everything.

00:11:12.920 Yeah.

00:11:13.460 And I never hear an argument I wouldn't have predicted from him. And so I'm often like,

00:11:18.180 why did I just spend an hour watching that? Like that wasn't anything that I didn't expect.

00:11:22.920 And I wonder-

00:11:23.880 I feel the same way when watching Brett Cooper's content.

00:11:27.160 I do feel the same way about Brett Cooper's content, which is why I don't understand why she's

00:11:30.160 so popular. Um, I honestly say this, I like her like as a person, she seems interesting.

00:11:34.980 But I know exactly the main reason to watch Brett Cooper's content is when she's talking

00:11:39.460 about celebrity gossip. Cause she's got great celebrity gossip. Um, but no, she does. And

00:11:44.460 you know, she's going to be honest and based about it. Right. But when it's politics stuff,

00:11:48.020 it's like, okay, this is like the mainstream.

00:11:50.400 So it's almost like choosing the skin through which you want to consume certain contemporary

00:11:55.220 concepts or like news concepts.

00:11:57.300 That's a very interesting way to put it. Right. The skin. Yeah. Well, and, but that's what

00:12:03.160 makes the conservatives different from the leftists. Right. If, if you go to conservative

00:12:08.500 content creators, yes, you have the, the skin walkers who it's just, am I watching this in 1.00

00:12:13.660 a Brett Cooper skin or am I watching this in a Sargon of a cod skin? Right. Right. And 0.96

00:12:17.140 I will note that I actually do not think Brett Cooper, this Pearl clutch is Sargon of a cod.

00:12:20.620 She, she doesn't do that. No, she's not. No, no. She comes across. Well, she, she doesn't come 1.00

00:12:25.220 across as curmudgeonly and her default isn't to just poo poo something. She will stand up for things

00:12:31.880 or express support for things. Even if she doesn't have a universal feeling of safety that they're

00:12:37.740 going to turn out perfectly. Yeah. But, but there's, there's that style of content creator

00:12:42.140 and the left has a lot of those, but then on the right, you know, you've got your like

00:12:46.340 Curtis Yarvin or people like us or, you know, content creators that you can go to and you're

00:12:53.900 like, okay, what is actually their take going to be on this? Like I, I know if I read a Curtis

00:12:59.220 Yarvin piece or a Munchess mole bug is what he's often called. I'm going to have, I'm going 0.98

00:13:03.580 to come across at least some ideas I have never personally thought before. And that's going

00:13:08.020 to be stimulating for me. I don't really have any leftists like that. Even when leftists

00:13:14.880 break the mold and people can be like, well, Scott Alexander is a leftist. And it's like,

00:13:18.720 and this, this actually, I think shows, shows the problem, right? The very fact that the New

00:13:22.780 York times tried to do a hit piece on Scott Alexander and many mainstream people on the

00:13:27.460 left right now consider Scott Alexander, a rightist shows why the right has grown so much.

00:13:32.020 That's an interesting point.

00:13:33.100 Scott Alexander is not a rightist in literally any belief that I'm aware of other than that.

00:13:40.320 Well, you know, we should challenge the system at times and, and think outside of cultural

00:13:45.200 Well, he doesn't support Trump at all.

00:13:47.420 So there's

00:13:47.660 Right. But he never claimed to.

00:13:51.780 I got really mad at the New York times piece that like put him in the same category as like

00:13:55.760 Richard Hanania. And it was like, look at all these rightists who have turned on Trump.

00:13:59.760 You have like Richard Hanania. And then what's her faith? The one in who we've had on the show

00:14:03.820 from like Eastern Europe.

00:14:05.480 Oh, yes.

00:14:06.360 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:14:07.400 How can I blink on her name? But yeah, she's so cool.

00:14:10.820 Who lives in Romania. 0.53

00:14:12.720 Anyway, she's fine. I don't, I don't care about her betrayal of Trump. She's not an American. 0.90

00:14:17.020 Richard Hanania feels very strategic.

00:14:20.680 Alex Kishuda.

00:14:21.720 Alex Kishuda feels very strategic, but, but, but Scott Alexander was never pro Trump.

00:14:26.640 Not even a little from anything I've ever seen. He wrote like multiple, you should vote for

00:14:31.260 Kamala essays. Yeah.

00:14:32.480 And yet he's considered a Republican by like the online newosphere. And I think that this shows

00:14:38.460 why a lot of people who are like him may eventually just be like, why am I even trying to like side

00:14:45.500 with you guys? Right. Like, why am I even trying to make you guys happy? If you didn't grow up in

00:14:51.360 the previous generation and have this older interpretation of the right, you just be like,

00:14:56.420 why am I fighting this when these guys are nice to me and accept me and you guys treat me terribly?

00:15:01.820 Which again, I mentioned this story before, but it's one that I think is always worth retelling

00:15:05.720 because I think it's very important to the right. And I think it shows that the rightists

00:15:10.560 who go to events and rag on like gay people at an event or something like that, or attempt to

00:15:15.160 make people feel uncomfortable for having, you know, different beliefs in them instead of just 0.77

00:15:18.620 having honest debates. These individuals are not friends to the movement and they hurt us in the

00:15:23.680 long run. The famous case here being one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse or the fifth,

00:15:27.980 the Muslim lady, whatever her name is. Omar. Omar. Yeah. So she, she goes to a psychologist and 1.00

00:15:34.740 she's depressed. And the psychologist is like, well, I know this isn't your brand, but have you ever

00:15:39.800 thought about praying? And so she tried and she has become a Christian. And a lot of people are like,

00:15:44.800 but why didn't you become a Muslim? Right? Like you used to be a Muslim. Right. And she goes, well,

00:15:50.680 you know, of all the years where I was attacking people of faith and, and many people on the left

00:15:57.240 do feel this way of all the years I was attacking the right, they kept coming at me with love and

00:16:02.600 kindness. They kept coming at me with, I'm praying for you. I want, I hope you get better. Like, I hope

00:16:08.320 you, you know, can see the light and it was people on my own side, whether it was Muslims or, or other 0.99

00:16:15.140 atheists who would send me all the death threats and say, you know, I hope you die or I hope you 0.99

00:16:19.420 Well, that's interesting that Muslims are doing that. Well, of course Muslims do that to apostates, 1.00

00:16:23.580 right? But, or people they would see as apostates, but it shows that this matters in terms of the

00:16:29.460 final breakthrough with an individual. You want someone to come join your side. You don't treat them like

00:16:34.400 a jerk. Okay. Even if they are currently not within your team, I feel like leaving the door 1.00

00:16:41.740 open and engaging in honest debate is how we bring them over. But yeah, well, that's, that is what

00:16:48.240 cultural sovereignty is about. It's also, it's not about being opposed to outside ideas. It's about

00:16:54.060 having a lot of different ideas and having debates and exchange between the two of them and learning

00:16:59.800 from each other and also switching when you find a better ideology. Yeah. I think another thing,

00:17:06.500 and I wasn't sure if I was going to do a whole episode on this is, and I've really been confused

00:17:11.920 about this is why doesn't the left stigmatize in other, the communists and the Marxists within their

00:17:20.060 movement? Well, why, how could you, when those ideologies feed into the logical conclusion of a

00:17:26.440 culture that is built on victimhood? They are the victimhood political alignment.

00:17:33.040 I guess, but I mean, the right has done a very good job of keeping what I call like our,

00:17:37.500 our trans extremists out of the movement, right? Like these are the, the racists and the anti-Semites 0.68

00:17:42.900 and stuff like that. Yeah. But the racists and the anti-Semites are more often than not associated

00:17:46.840 with the Nazi party, which was extremely socialist and progressive. I mean, like from the perspective,

00:17:52.700 right. It was like, well, we're victims and we are going to, you know, provide, you know,

00:17:56.760 social services and social support. I mean, okay. The, yeah, they did demonize this, you know,

00:18:01.000 like certain, like a, well, a lot of different groups, but they still, in the end, that was still

00:18:05.720 a very, by our modern standards, progressive leaning culture victimhood and of let's have the

00:18:12.340 government pay for everything. Who do not realize that the Nazis was a progressive party and was a 0.83

00:18:17.640 socialist party because people often be like, oh, they're not actually, they were actually

00:18:21.080 national socialists. No, but, but people are like, oh, but the name doesn't necessarily mean

00:18:26.420 that. So let's review their actual policies. Okay. Because their policies were more socialist

00:18:32.480 than Bernie Sanders or AOC. Hello. Yes. I'm just going to point this out. They were, they were

00:18:36.700 the perfect picture of socialism. The Nazis famously reduced unemployment through state-driven 0.84

00:18:41.960 infrastructure projects, very famous to U.S. socialists. Like who was the one during wartime

00:18:47.440 that did the new deal? The, the, the, yeah, the big new deal or the, it was like the new deal plus

00:18:52.860 is what the Nazis implemented. They, they built the Audubon highway construction, public building 0.96

00:18:56.840 works, stadiums, monuments, et cetera. There's so many Nazi monuments and buildings you can see

00:19:01.140 and a re-rememberment and military expansion. By 1936, unemployment dropped from 6 million to under

00:19:07.280 1 million. So that's huge. State subsidized leisure. They organized state vacations, cruises,

00:19:14.040 opera visits, and cheap cars. The precursor to the Volkswagen Beetle. Wow. And this was called

00:19:20.600 Strength Through Joy or Kraft de Freud. They had welfare and family support. They had generous

00:19:26.160 maternity benefits and child allowances and marriage loans. Fenestrate Simone for suggesting

00:19:31.560 a medal of motherhood, which France did first before Germany ever did. But, oh, ask for unlimited

00:19:36.960 maternal leave and, and, and ask for a support. But what's really funny is, is you ask an AI this and

00:19:42.460 it'll be like, oh, but these policies were partially racially restricted. And I was like,

00:19:46.500 they are with modern socialists as well. Yeah. If you look at the way welfare is handed out,

00:19:51.540 is handled out on racial lines. If you look at the way- Even COVID vaccines were often prioritized.

00:19:55.960 COVID vaccines were handed out partially along racial lines. If you look at the, no, you just see

00:20:00.980 this over and over and over again. And there was like a UBI project in San Francisco, only given to

00:20:05.800 black people. Well, that was supposed to be reparations, but I mean, I guess kind of like the Nazis 0.80

00:20:10.160 were like, well, reparations for the people who- No, hold on. It's very important to note,

00:20:14.300 the Nazis believed that they were a discriminated group. Yeah. Again, it was victimhood culture.

00:20:20.920 It's, it's an inherently progressive associated thing. So I don't, I think it's not, there hasn't

00:20:27.060 been any effort on behalf of conservatives to fight Nazism because it's not a conservative thing.

00:20:34.200 It's fundamentally what progressivism is. And I agree with that.

00:20:36.900 It's epitomized by an internal locus of control, by we don't believe in victimhood. We believe in

00:20:42.860 what we have control over. And we believe in granting ourselves the rights to pick ourselves

00:20:47.020 up by our bootstraps. Just give us the freedom to try to do that. Give us the chance. The American

00:20:52.980 dream, the true American dream is having a shot at it. And then this, it's been perverted by progressives

00:21:00.360 to mean like, oh, the American dream is I should be given this all by default, which was never the

00:21:06.240 American dream. That was never what brought immigrants over. Immigrants came over for a 1.00

00:21:09.900 shot at these things, not from some socialist promise to be given these things.

00:21:15.460 I agree. And you see the hatred of this from their hatred of Starship Troopers. We always point out,

00:21:21.800 they hate the idea of a system where you have to earn it to have political power. You need to make a

00:21:27.380 sacrifice, which is all you need to do. You don't need to join the military. You just need to make some

00:21:30.620 sort of a sacrifice in terms of spending two years or a few years working for the government.

00:21:35.720 So this is, this is their core fear is having to make a sacrifice. They want to control other people.

00:21:42.400 But why are these people allowed? Because if you look at somebody like Destiny, I love one of my

00:21:46.720 favorite things to do is watch progressives, try to explain why progressives can't win elections

00:21:51.740 anymore. And Destiny is, you know, he's not a communist, right? Like he, he understands these

00:21:59.640 more extremist positions aren't going to win. And that these individuals who hold these positions

00:22:03.760 often protest progressives instead of Republicans that they often hate on. They're not actually trying

00:22:09.860 to win elections was his point in this video he did on this. And I'm like, yeah, I agree with you.

00:22:14.380 And so my question to you is why, why do you keep these people within your, your community?

00:22:19.000 Right. You know, why don't you make your community hostile to these people? And I think the part,

00:22:25.060 part of the problem for the progressives is, is that the young excited people are all part of

00:22:30.480 these fringe movements. Whereas within conservative communities, it is the opposite. It's often, I mean,

00:22:37.020 most, you know, when I look at like the actual, I'm not talking about like the genetics people or

00:22:42.240 something. I'm talking about like the actual racist, racist, you know what I mean? Like a lot of these

00:22:46.340 people are like older and out of touch. They're, they're all the race supremacists. Yeah. Because

00:22:51.380 the human biodiversity people, I don't know, like more often than not, like their, their wives are 1.00

00:22:58.040 different. Yeah. Oh, every, every human biodiversity person I know is in an interracial relationship.

00:23:03.400 Like the idea that this is a racialist supremacist movement is effing ridiculous. Now we are not human 0.97

00:23:10.740 biodiversity people ourselves. I'm just pointing out that movement does actually have a lot of like

00:23:13.860 young engaged people within it, but I don't really consider it to be a particularly racist

00:23:18.540 movement. When I look at the actions of the people who are within it, which are pretty much all in

00:23:23.060 interracial relationships and have interracial kids, which to me does not signal a belief that

00:23:27.800 their race is superior to other races. It's that they're asking questions and you can watch our 1.00

00:23:33.540 videos on like, are certain races smarter than other races? They basically are like, I can understand

00:23:37.720 how you could come to this idea, but you're probably wrong in ways that matter. But like,

00:23:43.140 not to go into that now, the point I'm making is that on the right, those sorts of individuals,

00:23:47.700 like the HPD bros, they generally hate the racist races. Like they're not like friends with like

00:23:54.860 your, your, your Richard Switzer or, you know, your, your, those sorts of individuals. Right.

00:24:00.240 No.

00:24:00.820 And, and they are the first to yell them out of the room. You know, the, the, the, the young

00:24:06.580 MAGA writers are the first to yell these people out of the room, not yell them out of the room, 0.69

00:24:10.400 but, and that was the thing also about like the way that this works. If you go to like our conference

00:24:14.560 at the first peronialist conference, like Richard Switzer came, right. He, he felt uncomfortable and

00:24:18.720 he didn't come to the second one. Right. Like that's not like we were mean to him or anything,

00:24:22.560 but it was clear that his sorts of ideas are not normal within this community. It wasn't like,

00:24:29.200 there's no place for them. He, he didn't have a place for them because it's not,

00:24:33.040 they don't have merit. Yeah. And, and, and keep in mind, this is not me saying there's,

00:24:39.800 there's a big difference between like somebody who's like, oh, well is, isn't, you know, Kevin

00:24:44.840 Dolan a racist. Cause he's like a desert nationalist. Right. And I'm like, that's just

00:24:49.200 like the Mormon version of being like a Zionist. Right. Like if you just want some Mormon state 0.98

00:24:53.160 and, and I'm not gonna, you know, hate on somebody for preferencing people of their own

00:24:57.720 cultural group, right? Like, and sometimes cultural groups have ethnic overlaps, but

00:25:02.540 pretty rarely within the United States, for example, it's usually going to be like Mormons 1.00

00:25:07.120 or Catholics or, you know, weird tech bros like us. And am I going to disproportionately,

00:25:11.980 for example, hire a weird tech bro over a, a, you know, like a devout Mormon? Like I like Mormons,

00:25:17.600 but yeah, unless it's for a sales position, in which case I'd probably hire a Mormon always.

00:25:22.260 But you know, it, it, it, it makes sense to preference people who are culturally similar to you.

00:25:27.720 And so it's important to differentiate like hateful racism and being like, Oh, I, I culturally

00:25:33.820 preference people who are similar to me, but the right has done that. And the left hasn't had these

00:25:38.500 nuanced conversations. Right. It hasn't been like, Oh, you're like an actual racial supremacist.

00:25:44.500 Like when you go out there and you say something like white people can't be racist, you should

00:25:47.580 immediately, anyone in the movement should just be like, what, what are you doing? Like, we need to

00:25:51.580 have a conversation about you saying that, because that's a racist thing to say. That's like saying

00:25:55.640 you can't be racist against Jews. Like, which is basically what the Nazis did, right? Like it's a

00:26:01.900 huge problem when you can create a subjective judgment around which groups can be discriminated

00:26:06.300 against and which groups can't, but you do this. Right. So that's a big problem.

00:26:13.440 A little bit. And I think that you're right. I think that part of the problem is, is that

00:26:17.500 because they define the right as Nazis, they can't see where it's woven into their own culture

00:26:23.880 because they have this incredible amount of cultural control and an incredibly narrow degree

00:26:28.900 of thought, as we see in this, you know, chart of, of, of ideas on the left and the right,

00:26:32.940 you don't get a lot of interesting conversation happening. So there's not as much reason to watch

00:26:36.120 it because, you know, it's so easy to commit thought crimes. You know, if I even was a pure

00:26:42.260 leftist and I tried to talk for two hours every day or an hour, every day, like our podcast,

00:26:45.980 we'd be defenestrated by now. You know, we'd be just said that we're, we're, you know,

00:26:50.000 because we would have made mistakes. You, that's why they keep their media short,

00:26:55.380 tight and incredibly editorially controlled. That's why leftism worked in the age of the

00:27:00.520 newspaper and it doesn't work in the age of the podcast. Yeah. But I'd love to hear your thoughts

00:27:07.480 on the, specifically the concept of the rightists being willing to support the Republicans and the

00:27:13.980 leftists not being willing to support the Democrats. What do you think it's, it's that

00:27:17.000 phenomenon? Cause that's not one that we've never really gotten deep on. Yeah. I don't know. I

00:27:23.060 mean, we, we definitely saw that earlier. I think a lot of this has to do with just the very, very

00:27:27.760 blatant betrayal that Democrats felt with the 2024 election and just being openly lied to

00:27:34.600 multiple times. I mean, one, the very undemocratic selection of Kamala Harris for the presidential 0.98

00:27:40.380 candidate after Biden was found. Validating every single claim that DI is just racism.

00:27:46.000 But then also the clear gaslighting followed by the whiplash of, oh, actually, yeah, he's not fit

00:27:53.820 to be president. And we systematically covered this up. Yeah. I just think that that's what I see cited

00:28:01.540 the most. And I think beyond that, there's the issue of Bernie Sanders being truly beloved, especially

00:28:09.080 among the online content class. And then being systematically sidelined and not just that, but being,

00:28:15.100 but admitting to being systematically sidelined. Yeah. So between those things, how can they not

00:28:22.460 disassociate from the democratic party? They're extremely mad. And, and, and by the way, I didn't 0.85

00:28:29.420 finish all of the socialist thing the Nazis did, by the way, they also did price and rent control. 0.60

00:28:33.500 They regulated prices, wages, and rents to prevent inflation. They did strict rationing and consumer

00:28:39.100 repression. They also had universal employment. Everyone was expected to contribute to the

00:28:45.020 people's community. Unemployment became a moral failing, not a structural issue. And those that

00:28:50.240 didn't work were harassed or in prison, very similar to most communist and socialist systems.

00:28:54.380 But broadly speaking, they were socialist by any modern standard and very socialist. They were

00:28:58.960 basically AOC, like Nazis are AOC, the same, same broad political position. And they both hate the Jews. 0.98

00:29:05.040 So don't worry. You know, they've, they've converged, but any final thoughts, Simone?

00:29:10.760 So let me just get this right. That

00:29:13.040 we're conservative influencers have more reach online now because democratic influencers

00:29:24.700 can't associate with the democratic party anymore. But that's, that can't be it.

00:29:29.520 I don't think that's part of it, but it's, it's that they are all forced into being so ideologically

00:29:34.840 extreme that they, they, they, because it's all about conformity to this form of extremism,

00:29:42.440 as we see from the chart, that they're not able to create interesting content.

00:29:47.640 And when they're-

00:29:48.180 Okay. Oh, they got boring. You're, you're basically saying like, because any non, any heterodox 1.00

00:29:53.380 idea got kicked out, all that was left was boring conformity, which then-

00:29:57.520 Boring conformity or Hassan Piker. And then when you, sorry, what was the point I was going to

00:30:03.340 make?

00:30:03.660 On top of that, like another reason why they, they lost.

00:30:07.820 That they, oh yes. Then the ones who were still producing more moderate content were essentially

00:30:15.180 harassed into producing less and less of it and became more and more mentally ill over time.

00:30:20.720 You know, I do actually, you know what, that's a really underrated element of this because many

00:30:24.720 of the progressive YouTubers that I follow who've had five plus year careers on content

00:30:33.700 platforms talk about really basic activities as things that are like difficult for them

00:30:39.160 to complete.

00:30:40.260 There's two issues going on here, right?

00:30:42.320 Yeah.

00:30:42.860 Yeah.

00:30:43.160 One is, you know, you have, this was like ContraPoints or Philosophy Tuber, like they

00:30:47.460 basically stopped producing content because they were getting so harassed for trying to take

00:30:51.500 nuanced perspectives.

00:30:52.380 I mean, keep in mind harassment because when I see ContraPoints post and ContraPoints is

00:30:57.880 doing a decent number of like Natalie, when does a decent number of interviews, like I

00:31:01.660 just saw another interview go live ContraPoints or Natalie, when also was recently on a bit

00:31:07.420 fruity, that podcast. So I'm seeing guests.

00:31:10.620 It's not that they do nothing.

00:31:12.340 What I hear is that basically a lot of references, not to, to videos, not being produced due to,

00:31:17.640 due to controversy, but rather to, it's just a lot of work. I think it's more has to do with

00:31:23.960 mental health affecting the productivity of these people.

00:31:27.720 Well, that's part of it. I mean, like consider like Jenny Nicholson, who we mentioned before,

00:31:30.780 like basically produces nothing anymore. If you look at the nostalgia chick though,

00:31:35.360 this was specifically harassment. Remember she had a point that people didn't like. And so she 0.96

00:31:40.300 got harassed and now she basically doesn't produce things anymore. And she was a big progressive

00:31:44.260 voice for a while, which is that a lot of big progressives were essentially harassed out of

00:31:49.660 YouTube by progressives, not conservatives, because there is such an expectation of ideological

00:31:54.720 conformity. Well, a lot of them also went on to platforms like Nebula where they just felt safer.

00:32:04.160 Yeah. Well, and they're, and they're not producing content that people are engaging with as much. And so

00:32:08.580 they've lost the wider cultural conversation.

00:32:10.520 Yeah. Like I feel like Nebula was kind of an early, I not, and I don't mean this politically,

00:32:15.060 but like an early form of blue sky where they're like, Oh yes, let's go to this new enlightened

00:32:19.080 platform, but then no one's there. So they just are all kind of talking to each other in a very,

00:32:23.880 very small audience instead of the broader, like YouTube is where the video discourse takes place.

00:32:29.360 X is where the, this is what's happening right now. Discourse is taking place. And if you choose to be

00:32:34.820 off those platforms, even if you're going to some enlightened wild garden, you're leaving the

00:32:39.660 discourse. So that makes sense. But no, I think, I think it's underrated because I was telling you

00:32:45.580 offline. Well, we also talked about the, the self isolation of the Democrats, which has lost them

00:32:51.060 a lot of access to platforms. Like blue sky is Democrats being trapped in a crystal by Trump.

00:32:55.480 Exactly. Like, but I was telling you how Abby Cox, who is a YouTuber who I love, who just talks about

00:33:01.260 fashion history. Like it, you know, it shouldn't be political, but I mean, the politics does shine

00:33:05.560 through talked about how exhausting it is just to make like some Etsy listings, which that's a before

00:33:12.760 breakfast activity for you. Yeah. So I think that, that it does come down also to people falling into

00:33:20.100 progressive therapy culture, which breaks them more and more and more like a PC that needs to be 0.97

00:33:28.240 defragmented. And they just like, after a certain point, like their Tetris wall is a mess and they

00:33:36.020 can't break through anymore. Like it just, it's gridlock. Yeah, no, I, I totally see that. I love

00:33:41.940 that analogy of the Tetris wall, just filling up over time as more and more progressive ideas and social

00:33:47.480 therapy norms fall into the, as victimhood creeps as the, as the therapy takes over suddenly. Yeah.

00:33:55.080 Anyway, I love talking with you for dinner tonight. Please reheat those chowm bao patties. 1.00

00:34:00.940 And what I love, what I'd love to try tonight is maybe, could you like toast some bread with butter

00:34:08.960 for like a bun? Because we've got white bread, right? I think we also have hot dog buns. Would

00:34:13.600 you like a hot dog bun instead? White bread will taste better. Just white bread, just like buttered,

00:34:19.300 toasted white bread. Yeah. And then cut up some onions and give me some salad with it.

00:34:23.980 Okay. And I'll just put it in little, like, I'll make little sliders out of it.

00:34:27.720 Okay. How many slices of toasted buttered white bread?

00:34:32.680 Two. Okay. I mean, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to eat a ton. Don't serve me more

00:34:38.940 than four at a time. Okay. So four patties, two slices of white bread, salad, cucumber, yes or no?

00:34:45.940 Yeah. Cucumber. Cucumber, salad. And with the cucumber, you can make it either way this time,

00:34:52.160 whatever's easier for you. Okay. And I'm not making more of that sugar dressing, therefore,

00:34:57.240 because I don't need the sugar dressing for this. Yeah. You're having it with buttered toast.

00:35:01.200 And then maybe I can make flaky butter biscuits or something like that tomorrow,

00:35:04.820 which would be more. I just figured this would be like a fun, different way to eat it. Well,

00:35:08.260 and the kids are really into sandwiches right now. So I can, you know, it's useful. Everyone wins by

00:35:13.400 this. So thanks. Thank you. I love you so much. Thank you for being my mated person, as they say

00:35:23.920 in the romantic book that we learn. Bonded for life. Oh no. Oh, it doesn't even make sense. Why

00:35:30.660 would I like a woman for life if I'm not like super naturally attracted to her?

00:35:34.640 Well, no, that's the, you know, you don't have to feel personally responsible for it because it

00:35:39.000 was fake. It was forced on me by God, clearly. So it's not your fault. Yeah. For everyone who

00:35:47.240 criticizes you for, you know, clearly she's out of her league. Yeah. She bonded to her. Don't you

00:35:54.020 know? I think it's a romantic. He didn't have a choice. Yeah. I love you. I love you too.

00:35:58.600 You're perfect. And you are my, my bonded. You hit record. Okay.

00:36:03.720 Mm-hmm. So how's it going? You learn anything new today?

00:36:11.080 The, the, the reader suggested YouTube video of a Marxist analysis of what was that book

00:36:19.420 called? Morningstar Milking Farm. Okay. Tell me, tell the audience about this because I can't

00:36:25.440 believe you went through this analysis. Well, I'm glad, I'm honestly glad a listener suggested

00:36:29.980 because it's hilarious. And in the context of the episode that we ran on romanticy, there

00:36:35.820 is this extremely smutty romanticy novel called Morningstar Milking Farm about a corporate facility

00:36:43.320 where women bring minotaurs to ejaculation to create basically a Viagra pill for a pharmaceutical 1.00

00:36:50.260 company. Cause they just, it's a, it's the minotaur semen extract that produces the desired effect. 0.94

00:36:57.460 Wait, is this, is this written for women? It appears. Cause it is a romance novel written 0.94

00:37:02.620 for women. And this one YouTube creator went to just do a satire of it, like read it and 0.98

00:37:11.880 then roast it online. And then she reads it and she's like, actually, this is a Marxist critique

00:37:17.080 of late stage capitalism. And she goes on this long rant about how like the facility represents

00:37:26.120 late stage capitalism. And this two-faced like, you know, front room is all cutesy farm decorations.

00:37:32.120 And then you go back and it's all sterile hallways and how, you know, over-educated women, uh, can't 1.00

00:37:38.880 find a job and end up having to sell their manual labor to produce, you know, products in the name

00:37:45.100 of vanity. And, uh, it is, I highly recommend it. Just search Morning Star Milking Farm, Marxist 0.86

00:37:56.340 late stage capitalism on YouTube, and you'll find it. And that was, it was very, it was very

00:38:04.900 enlightening. Enlightening, enlightening, Simone. It was great. I, I don't think I could read that

00:38:11.600 book. So I'm glad that I just read her, her Marxist critique of it.

00:38:16.440 Well, I, I got obsessed with a series that I read the entire thing, by the way.

00:38:22.560 Oh, yes. Yes. So I was, when I was doing that episode, because we had talked about like Omega

00:38:28.840 verse in it and I was like, okay, I, I should like Google around, like I'm doing, I'm like,

00:38:35.260 okay, I'll Google around. Are there any Omega verse stories that a guy wouldn't hate?

00:38:38.960 Oh, for men, Omega verse, but for men. Okay. I was like, okay, I'm looking for girl, 0.77

00:38:43.540 girl stuff. Cause I don't want, I don't want any guy in, in my romantic fantasies. I do not want a

00:38:48.220 guy. Because they're not going to be. And that's why actually keep in mind that if you just, for

00:38:52.480 example, Google image search, image search, the term Omega verse, you're getting all boy,

00:38:56.960 boy, boy covers that are. Yeah. So like a lot of women also prefer erotic material that don't 1.00

00:39:02.620 have any women in it. Oh yeah. Why do you want to, I mean, I'm not into men, right? Like, 1.00

00:39:06.720 so why do I want to see him? But so I found one Omega heroine wants her alpha villainous. 0.69

00:39:12.440 And I read the entire, how many chapters was this? 141 chapters, basically three books in,

00:39:20.000 in the past few days. Cause I enjoyed it so much. It's just cutesy basically.

00:39:24.940 How does it compare to love advice from the great Duke of hell? Because I just died for that.

00:39:29.440 I considered it about the same, but was a different vibe. How does it compare to the

00:39:34.940 lesbian BDSM? What were, what were those books called? I liked it more than Sunstone.

00:39:39.640 Sunstone. Okay. So better than Sunstone equal to love advice from the great Duke of hell.

00:39:45.260 Yeah, but different. This is okay. So this was about maximizing when we talk about a story

00:39:50.880 I meant to masturbate a specific emotional subset. Okay.

00:39:53.960 Sweetness and people being really dedicated to each other as partners.

00:39:57.000 That's what the Sunstone series is about. No, no, it is too tangential. The, the plot is not as

00:40:04.880 interesting. So if you look at this story versus Sunstone, which is another good story that I'd

00:40:09.360 recommend, but it's about BDSM if you're interested in that culture. I didn't like a lot of it is like,

00:40:14.680 oh, I, I did all this stuff to like prep for sex. I did all this stuff to prep for whatever

00:40:18.980 and, and to prep to make my partner. This is like, I helped them with a test. I helped them get into

00:40:24.600 medical school. It's just straight to the act of love of service of help.

00:40:29.280 Right. And, and I should note, if you're getting into this and you expect something not safe for

00:40:32.900 work, it even censors kissing. And that is the most not safe for work thing. I wonder if there's,

00:40:38.880 so they must be catering to the laws of some country that don't, that doesn't permit showing

00:40:43.900 lesbians kissing, which I'm thinking might be Russia because the Duma last year or no, previously

00:40:49.680 they had, they only added to this legislation had had passed legislation. I think that, that

00:40:54.160 prevented any promotion in the media of gay or lesbian lifestyles. So I bet this is to enable 1.00

00:41:02.240 distribution in Russia, but I don't know of Chinese regulation against gay or lesbian media. Whereas

00:41:08.020 in Russia, I know that that is not permitted. Interesting. So, so as a guy, I'm forced to watch

00:41:14.640 men in, in my erotic material, I'm forced to read books with men and I don't, I don't want to do that.

00:41:19.240 But no, it's, it's a, you, you might like it, Simone, if you like, like stories that are like

00:41:25.200 the, it uses the Omegaverse trope just to make it so that there is no question. Like it basically,

00:41:33.140 it makes their relationship not gay because in an Omegaverse world, you have women with women and

00:41:39.760 they can have kids. And you have men with men, men get pregnant in the Omegaverse all the time. 0.65

00:41:43.980 Yeah. So basically it removes all of the problems with them being lesbians, but in terms of like 1.00

00:41:49.920 the story. Oh, because they can, one can get the other pregnant without there being. 0.97

00:41:53.880 Yes. And it creates with like scenting and marking and stuff like that, uh, replacements for modern

00:42:02.020 concepts, like giving someone a ring or something like that, which may have lost some of its power or

00:42:07.120 like, Oh, well, we don't actually want to do like a real sex scene. So we'll just have her sniff the 0.99

00:42:12.080 girl or something. Right. Like, okay. I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, I actually appreciate that

00:42:16.860 more because I didn't want a sex scene. I just wanted them to be happy with each other. Right.

00:42:21.720 Which is, it's very interesting to see how it's done in practice. Cause I had never actually read an

00:42:27.020 Omegaverse book before. Wow.

00:42:28.720 So, so now I am the worst that I actually found one that I thought was pretty decent.

00:42:34.820 Yeah. See, okay. Simone's not the only one.

00:42:39.100 Except that sounds actually good.

00:42:40.920 What she means is that Matt got mad at her for giving, giving up that she actually reads all these

00:42:46.020 pervy romantic-y bugs.

00:42:48.000 I didn't.

00:42:48.760 And you said, I only do it to go to sleep. And I'm like, you're on book number three of the series,

00:42:53.160 Simone. You're not.

00:42:53.980 It takes me at least 30 minutes to fall asleep and a book can help. At the end of that period,

00:43:01.340 I'm more likely to fall asleep. I have to get through novel material every night. So even a 20

00:43:07.780 hour book isn't going to last me a lot of time. It's like saying like, oh, how dare you refill your

00:43:14.900 prescription of Ambien? Yeah. Because your prescription is filled with, with porn, Simone. 0.98

00:43:23.980 You're such a model full of porn. And you're the old man. He's like, I need this for my heart. 1.00

00:43:28.640 Okay. All the readers say I'm busted, but whatever. If I'm, you are so busted, Simone.

00:43:36.300 The problem is I'm still reading All Systems Red by Martha Wells and loving it. The problem is

00:43:41.260 I'm not going to sleep. I'm not falling asleep. It has to be poorly written smart.

00:43:45.740 You've got to get back to your, your werewolf billionaire story, Simone. That's what's truly 0.96

00:43:51.320 going to put you to sleep. All right. All right. I'll get started here.

00:43:56.940 Hey, Octavian. How do you feel?

00:43:58.940 Let me get my weight right here and I get milk in my mouth. 1.00

00:44:02.300 You want to get milk in your mouth?

00:44:05.520 Um, I'm going to get away from the cold milk and extra trail where I'll get away and medicine too.

00:44:15.420 You want cold milk and medicine?

00:44:17.660 Oh, that sounded good, Glenn.

00:44:21.840 That sounded good, Glenn.

00:44:23.800 Okay. You've got Mr. Bear here to cuddle with you?

00:44:27.300 Yeah.

00:44:27.660 Okay, buddy. So we'll give you milk and medicine. Do you want some mac and cheese?

00:44:34.200 No, I'm not feeling good.

00:44:36.220 Okay. So you just want milk and medicine. Is that right?

00:44:38.740 Um, yeah.

00:44:40.040 Okay, buddy. Is there anything else we can get for you?

00:44:43.320 Yeah.

00:44:44.100 What would you like?

00:44:45.560 Um, some milk.

00:44:47.560 Just milk and medicine?

00:44:49.000 Yeah.

00:44:49.860 All right, buddy. I'm going to get that for you, okay?

00:44:51.880 Um, and let's make it cold.

00:44:55.280 You feel cold?

00:44:57.660 Or do you want cold milk because you're too hot?

00:45:00.560 Um, I want cold milk.

00:45:02.880 Okay, I'll get you cold milk.

00:45:04.500 Oh, thank you, mommy.

00:45:06.240 I love you, buddy.

00:45:07.620 I love you too, mommy.

00:45:09.600 Hmm.

Based Camp - July 02, 2025

How Did the Left Lose the Internet？ The Deck Was Stacked In Their Favor

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