Based Camp - How Europe's Relation With AI Is Erasing It From History (How AI Changes The Collective Consciousness)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking about

00:00:05.380 how Europe is erasing itself and its civilization from history within the context of AI. And we're

00:00:16.580 also going to talk about how AI changes the strategies that we as humans use as we relate

00:00:24.420 to the world around us and ensure our own impact on the future. We need to talk. What is that?

00:00:32.400 This is a flying robot I just shot out of the sky after it delivered a package to my house.

00:00:37.860 So I destroyed the robot. No one is safe from these bastards. So to start with this second topic here, 1.00

00:00:46.880 you used to be at one point, you were the director of marketing at the 45th most trafficked website in

00:00:51.540 the United States. And it's the website, your people go and write. It was hub pages is what

00:00:56.240 it was called. Yeah. And then it was, I think it sort of became a different brand over time, but

00:01:01.380 yeah. What was the other brand that bought it? Squidoo? Yeah. Well, no, it acquired Squidoo, I think.

00:01:06.660 And then it became something that now calls it something else. At the time, it was really big,

00:01:11.460 right? Yeah. This meant that you were at that point in your career, one of the world experts in

00:01:17.940 what is called SEO. This is search engine optimization. This is how you ensured that when

00:01:24.300 people search for things, they saw your takes and not somebody else's takes. I mean, often it's

00:01:30.100 involved in marketing or whatever, but it matters a lot. Like if we were running the pronatalist movement

00:01:35.680 back then, everything we would be focused on is how do I ensure it ranks well within SEO?

00:01:42.560 How do I ensure? And these systems, you know, companies lived and died on SEO. Like Google

00:01:47.840 would roll over in its sleep and all of a sudden it's a whole new ball game. Oh, it would. Yeah.

00:01:52.320 All hands on deck, emergency situation at the business, 100%. Very stressful. But we are moving

00:02:00.020 into a world where SEO is almost irrelevant given the way AI works. And what AI picks up in terms of ideas

00:02:10.940 is very different than what would have been picked up in an SEO environment. And this really changes a

00:02:17.500 lot of the online game. And I've noticed a lot of people haven't realized this or aren't relating to

00:02:23.200 this in sort of a sane way yet. There's still Brian Chow, whose article we're going to be talking

00:02:29.320 about today. He wrote an article called Public Intellectual Privilege about how you as a public

00:02:34.540 intellectual get to have a totally different relationship with AIs, which is true. I, for example,

00:02:38.740 can go to an AI and say, you know, what would Simone Collins like for her birthday? And it'll give me

00:02:43.320 like great recommendations. What is it telling you I want for my birthday? Oh, you can ask it. You can

00:02:50.060 ask it while, while I'm talking. What should Malcolm get Simone for her birthday? Right. Okay. And what

00:02:55.940 you'll see is AI actually knows a great deal about you and me. Now there are people from the last

00:03:03.480 generation. Like I recently had my dad over and I asked AI questions about him and he could find almost

00:03:10.380 nothing about him despite him being a fairly within his time famous public individual. And yet he expressed

00:03:17.840 this as a good thing. He's like, well, I don't like having things about me online. Right. It reminds me a bit

00:03:23.740 of, and one of the things we're going to be talking about a lot in this is the, you know, self-defeating

00:03:30.280 obsession with privacy that some individuals developed during the age of deep data where we

00:03:37.360 saw privacy as a way to protect ourselves from large companies. But I mean, also like, what are

00:03:45.120 you even protecting yourself from? Like getting better Amazon recommendations? Like I, I understand

00:03:51.940 you can be like, well, what if my data is leaked, but like that's data that can be leaked regardless.

00:03:56.800 Right. The thing is, is that between the era of deep tech personal protection advocacy and the era

00:04:04.700 of AI, the benefits and downsides of AI knowing about you or, or, or companies knowing about you

00:04:12.560 has done a complete one 80. Whereas it used to be almost just like a strictly net negative to have

00:04:19.260 a lot of information about you online. Now it's almost strictly a net positive because it means when you go

00:04:25.760 and you ask AI questions. So first I'm just going to dive into what is SEO, but for AI, how is it

00:04:31.580 different? So first you don't really care as much because Brian was telling me, like, why do you still

00:04:37.140 care about getting media? And I'm like, well, because media references AI to some extent, but in a large

00:04:42.100 extent, like just being in media a lot, just doesn't matter that much anymore because media does

00:04:47.760 not alter what AI is going to do or say on a particular piece, what does alter what AI says or does about a thing

00:04:56.640 is the volume of work that is out there. Volume now matters much more than how much the public is engaging

00:05:05.900 with a thing. The number of clicks a YouTube video has, or the number of clicks a site or document has, or link juice,

00:05:14.940 as it was called historically, the number of credible sources that are back linking to content

00:05:19.100 does not very heavily determine whether an AI is going to cite that document. What determines if an AI

00:05:27.320 is going to cite a document is how well sought through it is, how long it is, and how novel it is.

00:05:35.640 And I have seen this because AI regularly cites Basecamp episodes in responses when I am asking it about

00:05:43.740 just like normal day-to-day things. Totally unrelated to you? Totally unrelated to me.

00:05:49.060 What's an example of a thing that you asked about? I was asking about something related to like trans stuff

00:05:55.560 and an AI ended up referencing some of our episodes. I was asking about a thing related to antinatalist

00:06:01.060 philosophy and it referenced some of our stuff. So it's like tangential to things that we talk about.

00:06:06.240 I mean, obviously, but the person could be like, wait, how are you getting your content referenced

00:06:11.480 by AI when the AI doesn't know that you're the one asking the questions? And the answer is that

00:06:18.460 we release our content long form every day and multiplicatively. That means that whenever we're

00:06:29.500 releasing an episode, you're going to see a YouTube episode of it, which can be scraped by AI,

00:06:34.520 but then you're also going to have a Substack article, which some AIs can scrape. And then

00:06:39.620 that Substack article is also going to be broadcast to a number of podcasting websites, which some AIs

00:06:45.580 also scrape. So it's getting the information from multiple sources. And then with the most important

00:06:52.380 episodes like the tracks or the book series that we wrote, we actually have full plain text versions

00:06:58.560 of both all of the tracks and all of the books hosted as individual webpages mark for AIs to use

00:07:06.480 on multiple websites that we host. This is why when people are like, why does AI give such good

00:07:12.680 responses in response to techno puritanism and your religious beliefs? And it's because we structured

00:07:19.380 and aggregated those religious beliefs in a way that makes it very easy for AI to grab,

00:07:24.880 which is not the way traditional SEO companies think, or the way a lot of traditional people

00:07:30.820 think when they're engaging with this stuff. Thoughts, Simone?

00:07:35.760 I agree. I've done a lot less of this than you have, but I also intuitively just really have a lot

00:07:43.500 of gripes with people and online privacy or privacy.

00:07:46.500 We'll get to all that next, but yeah.

00:07:47.920 Yeah. So I'm excited.

00:07:49.860 What did Grok say about you? Like, what did it?

00:07:52.540 I wouldn't appreciate any of the gifts it recommended. I mean, some of it would,

00:07:56.580 it says personalized data-driven artwork, but.

00:07:59.860 Come on. I have literally given you that before and you've appreciated it and it wouldn't have known

00:08:04.320 that. No, I've given that to you.

00:08:08.140 Oh, you wouldn't appreciate if I got it for you?

00:08:09.900 No, I don't want it. I, cause I can make it like, it's so easy for me. Why would I want that?

00:08:14.320 What do you want? Just food?

00:08:16.820 Popcorn is a big one. There's no recommendation for popcorn here.

00:08:20.280 Hey, I wouldn't know that about you.

00:08:21.600 Someone to clean our house so that I don't have to for once, you know, like just like,

00:08:28.380 you know, Hey, you know, I'm going to get you like three house cleaning sessions. 1.00

00:08:33.340 Why don't you show me how to clean in the way that you like?

00:08:36.380 Cause you're like, just like physically and mentally incapable of it, dude.

00:08:40.580 And it's just like, keep in mind though. I think it's, it's part of a lifestyle thing. Like I grew

00:08:46.420 up when I spent time with my mom, she would clean the house and I would hang out with her. And she'd

00:08:54.160 be like, this is Borax. This is what we use to scrub the tub and the sink. And like, this is like,

00:08:59.680 she would just walk me through like, this is cleaning materials. Do you want to try it? And then

00:09:03.880 like, okay, no, you did it wrong. Okay. No, you did it wrong. Okay. You did it wrong. And like,

00:09:07.060 that's like, I don't have a hundred hours to give to you to train you in cleaning. I'm trying to do

00:09:13.740 that for our kids over time. Oh, no. Are you going to train them into little worker bees to

00:09:18.580 handle it? I'm going to train them how to handle their own housekeeping needs for sure. And like 0.99

00:09:22.980 laundry, but like, I don't think, you know, your parents also didn't clean their own house. They

00:09:27.180 had people do it. And those people certainly wouldn't be willing to like also tutor you in house

00:09:31.980 cleaning while also trying to complete their job as quickly as possible. So this is not on you.

00:09:36.020 So it is just that like, I appreciate that you could pretend to be grateful.

00:09:42.060 But yeah, no, it also says that I should get high-end travel gear for my global lifestyle when

00:09:46.500 we've like decided to quit traveling. So like, I guess I can understand that like in the past you

00:09:50.940 and I were very jet set, but it doesn't know that like now things have changed. The one thing it does

00:09:54.820 suggest is customized educational tools for our children, but I'm buying them the like STEM kits that

00:10:02.260 it's describing here all the time. Like I just bought one of those Montessori circuit.

00:10:06.860 You just bought one that it's suggesting.

00:10:09.240 Yeah, no, that was, that was what Catherine Boyle from Andreessen Horowitz was like suggesting in her

00:10:15.980 Twitter, her X feed. Cause I I've seen them on Amazon all the time. These little, like they're

00:10:21.580 these Montessori circuit board, busy board things for like young kids. And I always thought this

00:10:26.380 would be so cool. And also my kid is never going to use this, but she said, if you know, you know,

00:10:32.340 hours of endless fun. And I'm like, really? Like, is this occupying your four-year-old? Because if it is,

00:10:36.980 I'm going to get it, like I've wanted to get it, but I thought no one would actually use it. So

00:10:41.660 we will actually see. We will see. I'll tell you what they do use is a little Lego man that we bought

00:10:46.100 a collection. Yeah. They're like a total choking hazard for you. Well, and the arms just come

00:10:49.580 off constantly, but Toasty last night spent like hours being like, I will fix it, which is really

00:10:54.300 cute. So. All right. So now to the second part of this, you know, we're starting by talking about

00:10:59.240 the move from an SEO world to an AI world, which is a total transformation in the way you think

00:11:05.960 about your online and public persona. And it also makes me nervous because the SEO world,

00:11:10.340 I mean, what I know about it was that it was exploited in many ways. It was a constant game

00:11:15.460 of cat and mouse that people would, after they understood how it worked, manipulate it and

00:11:20.020 manipulate search results, which is one of the reasons why even today search results are not that

00:11:24.480 great. And that's because no matter how hard any search engine will try it, we're not just talking

00:11:28.740 about Google here. There will be, you know, people will quickly figure out how the algorithm has

00:11:33.860 changed and they will game it. It's a lot harder to manipulate AI in the way that you're thinking

00:11:38.720 of. Really? I hope. Yeah. Put me at ease here, but that is my one concern. One of the things that AI

00:11:43.140 looks for in articles is how unique the ideas expressed in the articles are and how well-structured

00:11:49.980 it is. AI has the ability to tell between low quality, low brain takes and high quality, high brain

00:11:57.620 takes. I can't tell you the number of times that AI, like a perplexity or grok when it's referencing a

00:12:03.320 source references a blog that I have never seen or heard of before, but is fairly well-written and

00:12:08.900 well-researched. It seems to have a good ability to tell between sources. The real advantage that

00:12:16.660 you're going to get is to not focus so much on things like link juice and focus more on the volume

00:12:21.820 of the work you're outputting. Hmm. But to continue here, what Europe has done, which is really

00:12:32.040 interesting with AI, is it put into place something called the GDPR, which is a system that prevents

00:12:39.900 how much data companies can collect from people within Europe. For what it changes, explicit consent

00:12:46.980 is required. Companies can't use pre-checked boxes or bundled consent. They need clear, explicit

00:12:52.860 permission for every single thing. Yeah. So every time you go on a website and you have to accept

00:12:58.480 cookies and read a stupid notice, you can thank the GDPR for that. Yes. Data minimization. Companies 0.99

00:13:05.340 can only collect data that is absolutely necessary for their state of purposes and no more collecting

00:13:10.200 just-in-case stuff. Purpose limitation. Data can only be used for the specific purposes disclosed

00:13:17.540 when collected. Companies can't repurpose data without new consent. And then usage restrictions.

00:13:24.320 The companies cannot refuse service if you don't want to give them data. Easy withdrawal. Users must

00:13:29.400 be able to withdraw consent as easily as they gave it. Storage limits. Companies must delete data that's

00:13:35.260 no longer needed for the original purpose. And then they have cross-border transfer restrictions.

00:13:40.040 And in terms of fines for this, you can be fined up to 4% of the company's global annual revenue

00:13:46.560 if you violate this. So really strict fines for this. Yeah. Well, also this, we're just talking tip

00:13:54.140 of the iceberg with this regulation. I remember the collective brick that companies shot when this came

00:14:02.240 out because of just how complicated it was going to be to comply with these rules. It's just from a

00:14:09.840 regulatory and efficiency standpoint. It makes me so angry. It's so bad.

00:14:16.360 But it's created a situation in Europe where, one, Europe basically cannot develop high-quality

00:14:25.360 AI models. European companies can't. And then two, what in terms of content is being produced

00:14:33.520 within the European internet is not accessible to AI. If you are a European individual who is engaged

00:14:41.880 actively with the internet and you're not using a VPN pretending you're in the United States,

00:14:45.620 you will not be remembered by AI. You will not be recognized by AI. And this is a very, very big deal

00:14:54.160 when you consider the turning point of human history that we happen to be at right now. The future of what

00:15:02.080 humanity becomes as we take our manifest destiny among the stars, as AI dramatically changes the

00:15:08.000 direction of human evolution, what it means to be human, what it means to interact in this world,

00:15:12.180 as it will, is Europe and cumulatively European culture, except for how it's expressed out of the

00:15:21.780 United States and Latin America and Canada, is going to be erased from history. And it's going to be 0.97

00:15:31.140 replaced by American culture and Chinese culture. What's interesting is that China actually has

00:15:38.380 more restrictive systems in place and more restrictive rules in place around what AIs can

00:15:45.760 take, but the government doesn't enforce it because it doesn't care because that's the way

00:15:49.840 China works, which is, you know, good for Chinese development. So what is your thoughts on privacy

00:15:57.800 before I go into, because I looked up, I was like, what are the best arguments? Like actually

00:16:01.600 steel man this for me because I do not get why people would care so much about privacy.

00:16:05.140 Yeah, I did this. I did this because I found it so offensive that people would be so, so intent

00:16:09.320 on protecting their privacy. The argument that convinced me that there is any argument to be

00:16:15.180 made in favor of privacy is that, okay, sure. You may have absolutely nothing to hide now. You may

00:16:21.280 benefit from people knowing more about what you think and all that. And then someday there's a regime

00:16:27.780 change, see change in culture and government and leadership and laws. And suddenly you are liable

00:16:36.700 for your views. You are arrested. You are taken away because they have the dirt on you. And that is,

00:16:42.340 that is now, I mean, when in the age of cancellation, that's what did happen.

00:16:46.240 Take responsibility. And I, and I saw this argument as well. There were also arguments that,

00:16:51.220 that, that were compelling there, like freedom to change your, your perspective, freedom to rebrand

00:16:56.160 yourself, freedom to. Yeah. But I mean, I think people understand that rebranding is possible

00:17:03.340 with a public record. JD Vance rebranded from an anti-Trumper to. We did. We were not, we were not

00:17:09.740 pro-Trump the first time he ran. Yeah. We branded from like progressive pro-natalist tech, right?

00:17:16.520 Yeah. When we got even into the pro-natalist movement, we were still left-leaning. Like we started.

00:17:21.760 It was all about like, hey, we want to make it easier for gay couples to have gay, and we still do,

00:17:25.720 to be clear. But like, suddenly now we're, yeah, we're super right. Whatever.

00:17:32.540 We're far right activists, as they would say. Oh yes. Extremists. Yes. Right-wing extremists.

00:17:37.340 Right-wing, yes. As Hillary Clinton would brand us. But yeah, no, I mean, I, I'm, I, this is the thing

00:17:44.160 though. I don't think, I think when we live in a world where you know that your history's online,

00:17:50.160 one, you need to take responsibility for that history, right? Like-

00:17:54.100 Yeah. Yeah. I need to own it.

00:17:56.380 Before everyone was aware that everything would be online, I can get that like, okay,

00:18:00.820 like for example, I did stuff like in my twenties that I would never do today, but it wasn't

00:18:05.520 because I, you know, wouldn't do them if I knew what I knew about the internet today. It was because

00:18:13.660 I thought that there was this privacy that is not expected today. And that's what I mean by all of

00:18:20.820 this is the illusion of privacy. The illusion of this stuff isn't going on a permanent record.

00:18:28.760 Everything you do isn't going on a permanent record leads people to make worse and more dangerous

00:18:34.760 positions from the perspective of political shifts and everything.

00:18:38.400 100%. Well, yeah. People who believe that they're private more often than not have a false sense of

00:18:42.520 security because your devices are recording. Everything is listening there. I mean, even if

00:18:48.740 you don't have any like smart speakers or other devices in your home and your phone is off, there

00:18:56.380 are, there are ways that people can use your own home wifi to see what room you're in of your house.

00:19:02.200 And they're much more likely to do vile things, to do the death threats we receive all the time or

00:19:07.960 the really bad trolling where their entire goal becomes ruining somebody else's life through an

00:19:14.980 anonymous identity. But here's where people can get to us. They can be like, well, what about

00:19:19.480 pseudonominidity? Pseudonominidity and people ending up getting doxxed has been a big part of the

00:19:25.100 new right movement. Whether we're talking about, you know, raw egg nationalists or bronze age pervert or any 0.78

00:19:31.460 number of these people. And I would say, well, as far as I know, there isn't a single well-known

00:19:38.800 pseudononymous right-leaning thinker who wasn't eventually doxxed. The problem with pseudonominidity,

00:19:43.960 a friend of ours, a guy who runs natalist call, what was he? Kevin Dolan, pseudononymous.

00:19:48.960 Oh yeah.

00:19:50.460 This is the problem, right? When they're like, oh, what if you have views that go against the

00:19:53.620 establishment? If you have views that go against the establishment and you feel safe sharing them

00:19:58.320 under a pseudonymous identity, that will eventually be doxxed within the existing paradigm.

00:20:04.780 The pseudonominidity on itself is a curse because it leads you to say and do things in a way that you

00:20:12.240 wouldn't if you knew you had to be publicly accountable.

00:20:15.300 False sense of security, right.

00:20:17.380 It's a false sense of security that ends up putting you in a much worse position. And then you can be

00:20:22.340 like, well, what about laws around the right to be pseudonymous? That doesn't work because then you have

00:20:26.460 to give the government the right to hunt down anyone who's like, hey, this is this person

00:20:30.160 actually. And that's just like too hard to do without putting enormous restrictions on the way

00:20:35.180 companies work, which is really frustrating. Like I would like it if there was like a good

00:20:42.500 pseudonymous system out there that I thought worked and I could say, okay, I am for that,

00:20:47.920 but there isn't. And then people can say, well, people may not have, you know, out their ideas

00:20:54.300 or try to push the Overton window. And it's like, well, they, they will though. I mean,

00:20:59.240 in terms of how we actually got the Overton window pushed back to where it was from the extremists

00:21:05.680 controlling much of the narrative, it required people like you and me being out there in public

00:21:11.120 and in the news regularly. You know, if it had just been a bunch of provocateur accounts online

00:21:17.480 behind pseudonymous identities, that would never have happened because one of the things about

00:21:23.960 pseudonymous identities and their lack of ability to effectively shift Overton windows

00:21:29.540 is it's because they do not care about mainstream judgment. They are much more open about flaunting

00:21:36.660 mainstream cultural norms in a way that marginalizes your movement. So if I was operating

00:21:44.480 under a pseudonymous identity and trying to promote the pronatalist cause, for example,

00:21:49.060 the pronatalist cause would likely be far more extreme. There's many things I might say under a

00:21:53.540 pseudonymous identity that I wouldn't say attached to my regular identity. Right. And it's like,

00:21:59.260 but I'm glad that I'm not doing that because my goal with this movement is not to say everything

00:22:03.980 that I think is true. It is to try to move the Overton window so that we can have a higher chance

00:22:11.880 of human flourishing in the future of building that intergalactic human empire in the future.

00:22:16.160 And, and I see this online as a lot of pseudonymous or anonymous, like nobody's will be like, why don't

00:22:22.940 you say this offensive thing? Why don't you say that offensive thing? And it's like, because that

00:22:29.060 would really damage the movement. Like, like if, if I said that, then somebody's boss would go to them

00:22:35.940 and say, Hey, you called yourself a pronatalist the other day, or you went to natal con. And this guy who

00:22:42.660 has these thoughts is associated with that. Like, are you really comfortable? Like, I, I don't want

00:22:48.860 to say anything on here that an educated person working at McKinsey wouldn't be like, go to their

00:22:55.400 boss and be like, no, I really am against the gender transition of children. No, I really, you know, am 1.00

00:23:01.700 for, you know, the belief that humans have genes and those affect our behavior. Like every scientific

00:23:07.680 paper argues for that. I really, you know, you, you want us to take the extreme positions because

00:23:13.880 extreme positions, and this is one of the problem with pseudonymous content networks and environments

00:23:20.180 is that they create environments where the most extremist positions are the most rewarded

00:23:25.660 with re-engagement. Take an environment like 4chan or something like that, where the shock positions

00:23:31.460 are the positions that are most rewarded. Now you don't want to be like a Reddit, right? Where it's the

00:23:37.140 most normie positions that are the most rewarded. But in the same end, you don't want to be in an

00:23:41.960 environment where it's only the most shocking positions that are the most rewarding. If your

00:23:47.800 goal as a movement is to move mainstream society and politics. Yeah, absolutely.

00:23:56.640 Another one that they talked about that I thought was interesting is, well, people can like,

00:24:00.300 like physical safety, like people threaten us all the time, right? Yeah.

00:24:04.300 The problem is, is that that information always eventually leaks. One of the funny things about

00:24:10.100 having a bunch of friends who are billionaires is all people don't know, like all the billionaires,

00:24:13.540 they have like one house that's like their billionaire mansion house, but they don't live in it because

00:24:19.140 it was always leaked long ago. And then they have like other unassuming houses where they actually

00:24:24.940 like party and invite their friends because those houses haven't been leaked. And so the mansion is

00:24:30.440 always empty. And then the houses where they live are always like, actually not that particularly

00:24:36.800 grandiose, which is another one of these things that we've talked about. It's like, it's not that

00:24:40.860 useful to be a billionaire in today's world. You know, anything to be fair, some just have very

00:24:45.260 well defended compounds with very tall trees or whatever. But it's hard big fences. Yeah.

00:24:52.180 You know, we keep in mind, we live in a world of drones and everything now, right? Like if somebody

00:24:56.160 wants to fly by your compound and cameras that can go very, very far, if you live in one of these

00:25:02.320 compounds, there's almost always somebody looking through every one of your windows.

00:25:05.860 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of creepy.

00:25:09.960 No, it is creepy, but it's the reality of the situation these days.

00:25:13.100 Yeah, you have to expect it. And it's better to be prepared than to try to avoid something that you

00:25:19.100 really can't control. That's to me a lot more scary. Like with cancer, I'm just assuming I'm going to

00:25:26.040 get cancer and I'm going to screen early for it and hopefully catch it early. Being like, wow,

00:25:31.100 I just hope I never get cancer, but never screening for it seems like a death wish.

00:25:36.920 Another one you hear is, well, companies are going to try to manipulate me, right? You know,

00:25:41.060 and it's like, are you really like that mentally weak? Like, yeah, I like that Amazon knows a lot 0.67

00:25:46.540 about me so it can give me good recommendations and I don't waste my time.

00:25:49.540 Oh, I want it to know more about me. It, yeah, it could be better.

00:25:53.040 Same with Steam. I get annoyed that Steam's game recommendations aren't good enough. I'm like,

00:25:57.400 you should have a lot of information on what games I play. Why do you not know that I want more

00:26:02.260 card-based and turn-based tactical games? Like, come on, Steam. I'm expecting this of you. I want

00:26:09.840 these indie recommendations, right? You know, and yeah. I think the most interesting thing though is

00:26:18.200 just the extent to which in the future, in a post-AI world, you will matter because people

00:26:27.560 will know about you and want to work with you or they'll have heard about this thing that you build

00:26:32.260 or this service that you provide and they will want to buy it from you. You can't just get by

00:26:38.260 anonymously with, with no searchable public profile and expect to find work or to sell the product

00:26:48.040 you're going to sell. They're like, oh, I'm a, you know, work with me and I search them and I don't

00:26:52.320 find anything. I'm like, why would we believe you? Yeah. Where's, what's your reputation? Where can I

00:26:57.260 see your work? It's been like a reporter or something like an undercover reporter, right? Like

00:27:01.980 that's a huge red flag that you have no really deep online persona. And I just won't work with

00:27:10.040 people like that anymore. But just even more importantly though, we, we are, it's, it's

00:27:14.700 already starting the, I think the CEO of LinkedIn wrote a New York times op-ed recently about how

00:27:20.480 already the bottom rung of the job market is collapsing. People in entry-level jobs across

00:27:26.340 industries, like whether it's customer service or coding or something else legal, they're not getting

00:27:31.820 jobs anymore because those entry-level jobs are being eaten up by AI. No. And then what's worse

00:27:37.800 is people try to get around this. Like the reason why you could get away with this in the past is you

00:27:43.020 could have proxies for competence, which would be, I went to Harvard. I went to Stanford. For example,

00:27:50.000 I got my graduate degree at Stanford. Simone got her graduate degree at Cambridge, right? Like that

00:27:54.120 used to be the proxy. I used to be able to stay quiet about who I was and then rely on the reputation

00:28:00.800 of the institution to buoy my reputation. But now we know that these institutions are like

00:28:06.960 DEI infested woke nests. Like you look at Harvard today and I think Harvard and antisemitism, like the

00:28:13.100 two go hand in hand, right? Like these are institutions that are now systemically racist and they really

00:28:20.980 only affirm an individual's willingness to compromise their morality to play within the social hierarchy.

00:28:30.140 And I think for people of our generation, you know, there's going to be some people going through them

00:28:35.400 today. There's going to be some leeway given, but I think in five to 10 years, they're just not going to

00:28:40.780 have the pull that they've had historically. Well, that and personal networks, this is already falling

00:28:47.080 apart. As you found out when you went back to Dallas and you saw all the kids that came from

00:28:51.820 wealthy, well-connected families that used to, from their culture, expect that because they had

00:28:58.160 this wealthy family in Dallas that was well-connected and did all this business stuff, that their job

00:29:04.080 would be set. It would be spoken for. They would be fine. And then they were finding that, you know,

00:29:10.060 now these companies- It doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't work. Yeah, no, no, no. Intergenerational

00:29:13.920 nepotism is not as effective as it was historically for people who wonder why it's so ineffective now.

00:29:20.400 So a lot of the systems that intergenerational nepotists set up to make this stuff work had the

00:29:26.520 passive assumption that your family was going to control the company, that your family owned or

00:29:33.640 founded or anything like that. The problem is, is that these companies all became public.

00:29:38.040 Yeah, or took private equity and got a board and- Yeah, yeah. There was like one iteration where

00:29:43.020 like the board would still hire the son, right? Like that was seen as, okay, whatever. Like that

00:29:47.280 happened to my dad, right? Like he was hired to run one of the companies, his grandfather founded

00:29:51.500 by the board, but it was actually because the board was trying to do a coup on his grandfather,

00:29:57.120 right? Like even, even then you had the, the issue of, but they, but they wanted somebody who the

00:30:02.860 grandfather approved of, right? And the grandfather thought he was too young and easily push

00:30:06.960 around a bowl. So like, well, so anyway, the, the, the, the, the, you even saw that then,

00:30:11.820 but, but now a board, like somebody going in and being like, promote my son. They'd be like,

00:30:17.660 look, we might be able to give him some like middling level position was like a grandiose title,

00:30:22.880 but that is at most in his salaries coming out of yours.

00:30:26.540 Yeah. But that, so that was the, that was the pre AI crumbling.

00:30:31.780 And this was the pre, now we're in post AI.

00:30:34.200 Yeah. So now, you know, it used to be that like, maybe a family member could expedite the extent to

00:30:40.460 which your job application was considered at a company or act as a referral and a reference. But

00:30:47.160 now people just aren't hiring in that way at all. And really the one way that you're going to get

00:30:53.700 hired is if someone's like, Hey, I want the best like designer of this type, you know, or I want,

00:31:00.000 you know, the, like, Oh, that guy that, you know, whose podcast I follow, you know, his takes are

00:31:05.000 really good. And that's who they're going to hire. And I want to elevate it in the past.

00:31:14.280 If you're trying to maximize your hire ability in the world, right. By like elite organizations or

00:31:19.220 anything like that, what you wanted was when somebody Googles like brain computer, because

00:31:25.540 that's my specialty before all this brain computer interface expert. This is for how you devices

00:31:31.400 that directly controlled electronics with your thoughts. That's what I worked on before all of

00:31:35.400 this. That was my specialty in neuroscience, not like mystically. It was like implants, like

00:31:40.300 Neuralink is a good example. Anyway. So, so I would want somebody to Google that and my name to be the

00:31:46.380 first name that appears. Now, what I want is somebody to go to an AI and say, who's the world

00:31:52.680 expert in brain computer interface. And my name is the first that comes up the way that I achieve each

00:31:58.800 of those two goals is dramatically different. Good point. Yeah. Yeah. If you're writing prolifically

00:32:04.620 about it, if you're the one who's engaging in the online discourse about brain computer interface,

00:32:09.940 Grok perplexity, Claude, ChatGPT, they're going to point to you.

00:32:13.900 And then there's a secondary part of how power networks form. This is something Brian Chow

00:32:19.120 was talking to us a lot about personally. And I think he's absolutely right about this

00:32:21.960 is that the new country club is the signal group.

00:32:25.800 Oh, that's great. That's a great way of putting it.

00:32:27.660 No, I mean, country clubs, who are you going to be hobnobbing was a bunch of old people 1.00

00:32:32.080 who have no power anymore. Like all of the old communities that were like the secret societies, 0.99

00:32:38.000 you know, whether, you know, your skull and bones, you can see our episode on that one,

00:32:41.080 totally woke. Like it's pointless. It's not useful for hiring anymore. Bohemian Groves,

00:32:45.240 the average age is like 86 now. It's completely useless from a networking perspective.

00:32:50.600 Well, and even your dad told me when he was visiting that he waited for 22 years.

00:32:56.520 No, it's a 22 year wait list.

00:32:58.300 And he waited that long.

00:32:59.800 Because keep in mind, with an organization like the Bohemian Grove, as you get older,

00:33:06.120 the, so if, if, if in one generation, it's a group of 50 year olds, right? Like, okay,

00:33:12.860 the organization, the average age is 50, right? Well, that means the average person they're

00:33:16.560 trying to induct is going to be one of their friends. Who's going to be 50, but it takes

00:33:20.140 that person 20 years to get in. Now the average age of the organization isn't 50 anymore.

00:33:24.240 It's 70. And the organization has been around for hundreds of years. So now the average organization

00:33:30.100 is basically the maximum human lifespan, like two years before you die. And that is just not like

00:33:37.040 waiting for, it's waiting to become Pope at this point.

00:33:39.980 Waiting to become Pope. No one there is, is going to have like an active ability to sort of affect

00:33:46.480 society at this point. And I think that this is what we're seeing across the board within these

00:33:51.940 different organizations. Now, Simone, you ran, you were managing director of Dialogue, which is a

00:33:55.820 secret society founded by Peter Till and Orrin Hoffman. And then for Schmidt Futures, we put

00:34:01.060 together a, another secret society, which I don't think is still operational. And then we've worked

00:34:05.660 for like Future Forum and some other secret societies in terms of putting them together. So we have

00:34:09.520 insights into a lot of the operations. We also know how, at least for a while, like Manifest worked,

00:34:14.560 for example, and like how speakers were selected for that. I think that what all of those societies

00:34:19.840 had in common, which I think is more representative of what, of what we should expect in a techno

00:34:24.100 feudal society. In other words, a post AI society is that these were in the end societies that were

00:34:33.460 handpicked as like, these are the people that so-and-so likes, and they may pretend to have objective

00:34:41.600 metrics for, Hey, this person qualifies and this person doesn't. But in the end, in all of those, I could

00:34:48.500 point out glaring exceptions on both the rejection and exception standpoints.

00:34:54.760 Oh, I completely agree. It's, it's, you have to be. So it's, it's, does this person like your

00:35:00.000 content? Does this person like you? Do they like your online? I mean, like Hereticon, which is the

00:35:04.440 other Peter Thiel. Yeah. Yeah. Hereticon is like, Hey, do these people think you're cool? And, and, or

00:35:10.180 like, do their friends recommend them to them? If so, you're in, if not, you're not. And again,

00:35:17.120 like, how are you going to get there without any sort of reputation?

00:35:20.560 The point is that if you're talking about a secret society, like say Hereticon, which

00:35:23.180 is probably the most exclusive, like real, like actionable secret society in the world

00:35:28.060 right now. And I say this is somebody who's supposed to be running the Illuminati. If you

00:35:32.200 go to the book, the bloodlines of the Illuminati, which is the main book of the Illuminati that

00:35:35.880 came out in the 1980s, it says my dad is one of the people who runs it. And that I am his

00:35:41.980 oldest male son. So I should be in it, right? Like I am not. Maybe he does, Malcolm. The

00:35:46.580 man loves his privacy. Although I have had powerful people come to me and say, they want

00:35:49.940 to restart a real Illuminati. Can you, can you do this? And I've like drafted like business

00:35:54.340 plans on how to do that. But the, the point I'm making here is that if you look at something

00:36:01.940 like Hereticon, nepotism, like these old nepotistic networks mean like almost nothing unless the

00:36:10.040 parents incorporated you into the content they were producing, which is why.

00:36:13.760 But then on your own merit, you have to be cool. If you're just like the lame kid, then 0.95

00:36:19.060 no one's going to want to invite you. Even if you are so-and-so son or daughter or friend 0.97

00:36:24.120 or whatever you have.

00:36:25.660 What exception I can think of.

00:36:31.100 Somebody's grandson, somebody Milton Friedman's grandson.

00:36:35.580 No, he's interesting on his own right. That doesn't even work.

00:36:38.200 Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, there, what are some, honestly, I can't really think of any, some

00:36:46.560 have, some societies have made exceptions for certain members because they feel that those

00:36:53.080 members who on their own are a major draw. So one, one bit of calculus, it does take place

00:36:59.000 with these societies and I'm sure will take place in techno fiefdoms as well is I really need

00:37:05.120 person X to be a part of my fiefdom. I also know that person X may exit in a huff if I

00:37:12.160 don't cave to their insistence that person Y is accepted. And so there are instances in

00:37:19.760 these societies of completely lame, like women, boring. No, not always women, not always women, 1.00

00:37:28.620 just boring people being accepted at least on a temporary basis.

00:37:32.440 Actually, this is a really good point. Sorry. I was just thinking about this. Is it men in today's

00:37:37.240 world are often more likely to put pressure on a society to accept someone they want to F than one

00:37:42.040 of their kids? Fair. Yeah. Which, which, no, no. And I, I even say it's like more culturally

00:37:47.600 normative. Like it's seen as, so like the old nepotistic networks at work, but the reason I

00:37:52.380 was saying signal groups matter is like, if I go to like the Dallas country club, because when I grew

00:37:56.800 up, that was like a really prestigious thing. You'd pay tons of money to be a member of it.

00:37:59.860 You and I went there together for, to meet someone for lunch at one point, right?

00:38:02.400 Yeah, we met my grandmother for lunch there. It's really big. It's all dated. Like nobody

00:38:06.780 important's going to the Dallas country club anymore. You know, everyone there is, is sort

00:38:12.980 of irrelevant culturally speaking, because that sort of wealth accumulation is just not important

00:38:18.880 within the existing paradigm. This is for people who want to ape or, or pretend like they are

00:38:25.280 successful rather than actually having any influence. And that wasn't the case within previous

00:38:30.480 generations, because here's the point. If I'm one of the top, like 0.5% of the population of Dallas,

00:38:35.560 I don't care about networking with the other 0.5% of the population of Dallas. I know this is

00:38:39.980 somebody who was in Dallas as a 0.5%-er. I care about networking with the 0.5% in Manhattan, 0.98

00:38:45.780 in London, in LA, in New York, and the general internet, right? You know, and if I'm in the top

00:38:51.360 0.5% of Manhattan, I need to also know the top influencers in, you know, SF and, and across the

00:39:00.120 internet if I want to matter, which is why the signal group has taken over from the, and I don't

00:39:05.480 know why it's always signal. I actually prefer WhatsApp, but signal is where they, all the fancy

00:39:09.320 groups are. But that's why the signal group has taken over from the old country club or region

00:39:17.360 locked thing. We actually have some recording, oh, let's see if we can find it, where we recorded

00:39:22.240 exploring the old core club in New York that had been abandoned. Oh yeah, I can share that with you.

00:39:27.320 Yeah. Yeah. Which is why. That was weird.

00:39:29.480 You must have been taken out. 0.99

00:39:39.000 This is friggin' life. 1.00

00:39:40.520 This is friggin' life. 0.99

00:39:40.560 This is friggin' life. 0.99

00:39:44.560 This is friggin' life. 0.98

00:39:50.560 I like their curved couches. 0.97

00:40:03.800 Oh look, this is where they do the hair. 0.98

00:40:09.400 They had a salon. Look at this. This is where they wash their hair. 0.97

00:40:13.240 I think these hair cost, cost like a hundred bucks, two hundred bucks. What do you think?

00:40:17.400 Oh, like two hundred.

00:40:18.680 Two hundred.

00:40:19.400 Like I would say one eighty, but then with tip he'd probably be paying at least two thirty.

00:40:23.400 Well this sort of, you know, this isn't Manhattan anymore.

00:40:25.960 Yeah.

00:40:29.080 I don't remember how cool I thought this was.

00:40:30.760 Yeah, this like bench.

00:40:34.760 This, this concept of these social clubs where like,

00:40:38.680 lux people get to hang out. I wonder how long it's gonna last.

00:40:43.240 Urban Lux exploring.

00:40:45.960 Urban Lux.

00:40:46.920 I think that these people did one of these deserted buildings.

00:40:50.920 Well that's the thing, is people don't believe us when you say like,

00:40:53.480 most office buildings in New York are abandoned.

00:40:56.120 Oh, this is a salon.

00:40:57.320 Oh, look at this.

00:41:00.120 Oh my god, a full-out salon. A full-out hair salon. 0.98

00:41:04.280 Whoa, cool.

00:41:08.600 It's such a shame thinking about these gorgeous spaces.

00:41:11.480 And this, you know, with demographic collapse, I think the crazy thing is,

00:41:14.920 like the, the world will be full of these spaces.

00:41:17.560 And you think like, oh great, this will turn into an apartment.

00:41:19.880 This is not going to turn into an apartment.

00:41:21.320 This is not going to be used by someone.

00:41:22.520 Yeah, the Friar's Club is vacant now too.

00:41:24.520 What? No.

00:41:25.320 Yeah, it's got a vacant sign and the signs even falling apart. 1.00

00:41:28.200 Shit, no. 0.99

00:41:29.160 Look at that, look at that, it says vacant right there above the Friar's Club. 0.99

00:41:32.200 It's a, that's a historic place where they used to do these New York,

00:41:34.440 all the famous comedians of the world would go and you'd have some like secret society thing.

00:41:41.080 That is vacant.

00:41:44.520 No.

00:41:46.280 So, Quark Club, Friar's, Friar's Club.

00:41:49.080 All, all the elite don't want to be here anymore.

00:41:51.400 They don't have the money anymore.

00:41:52.760 What's the point when you can go to the distributed elite things like dialogue or something?

00:41:58.040 Yeah, or like, I guess they're houses.

00:41:59.480 I feel like maybe the future hangouts of the elites will just be at each other's sprawling compounds and mansions.

00:42:05.320 Well, that's what we do whenever we're hanging out with our elite friends.

00:42:07.640 They don't want to be seen in public.

00:42:09.000 That's true.

00:42:10.040 So places like Friar's Club, Core Club, they're too, too much to maintain.

00:42:19.160 By the way, the funny thing about the elite is the non-elite don't know

00:42:22.760 is they all have these giant mansions, but publicly everybody knows where the mansions are

00:42:27.160 and so they're too afraid to go to their mansions.

00:42:29.160 So if you're actually, their, their friend, when they invite you over,

00:42:33.080 you're going to like often an unassuming house in the middle of the city.

00:42:37.480 Oh my god.

00:42:38.360 Where do they actually spend their time?

00:42:39.800 Oh, a plan.

00:42:40.360 It's a living plan and they just...

00:42:41.800 Well, I mean, who's going to take it, right?

00:42:43.720 Like, I'm sure that some staff are like, oh yeah, take this, take that.

00:42:47.080 But like, what are you going to do with this stuff?

00:42:52.680 Oh, just another locker room.

00:42:53.880 Oh, this must have been the men's locker room.

00:42:56.040 It's like a private area for styling yourself?

00:42:57.720 Yeah, this is, this must have been the women's locker room. 1.00

00:42:59.480 So this was the vanity.

00:43:01.160 Oh my god, they have multiple vanity rooms.

00:43:02.840 Oh my god, look at this vanity.

00:43:04.200 Oh god, Core Club was great.

00:43:05.800 Oh my gosh, this, yeah, this must be the women's locker room. 1.00

00:43:10.200 Wow.

00:43:10.680 So we were in the men's locker room to start.

00:43:13.080 We got the steam room, mini fridge, sauna, and whoa, whoa.

00:43:18.360 Oh, steam room. 0.50

00:43:19.160 This is a steam room.

00:43:20.040 That's really nice looking.

00:43:21.240 Sauna, mini fridge, beautiful sinks.

00:43:25.160 Wow.

00:43:26.200 What's back here?

00:43:27.640 Nice lockers.

00:43:31.000 God, it's...

00:43:31.640 Oh, these are basic showers.

00:43:33.160 Which are wood.

00:43:34.520 Oh, of course.

00:43:35.320 Come on, I get it.

00:43:45.240 Gosh, this feels like such a waste.

00:43:47.320 I know.

00:43:47.880 Do you think in the future, people will just camp out in these places?

00:43:51.880 No, they're going to fall apart.

00:43:53.480 Yeah, all this really nice...

00:43:55.080 That makes me so sad.

00:43:55.960 It's a lot of New York.

00:43:56.680 You saw in the game, I'm designing right now.

00:43:59.160 I'm like, God, you can't even stay in the buildings anymore because they're unstable.

00:44:02.520 Yeah.

00:44:05.960 All right, here we are in the library.

00:44:09.240 I don't remember where we go back, but they weren't like, I don't know what they cost today,

00:44:11.640 but they used to cost like 50 bucks.

00:44:13.640 What cost 50 bucks?

00:44:14.680 Oh, the books.

00:44:15.160 These two are big books.

00:44:17.640 But now it's probably 120 or something.

00:44:19.480 I don't know.

00:44:19.800 I don't know.

00:44:21.560 I wonder if some of these books were from members.

00:44:26.360 Yeah.

00:44:28.440 We're horrible urban explorers.

00:44:29.960 They moved.

00:44:31.480 I think they probably just downsized.

00:44:34.680 I think they're still around.

00:44:36.920 Yeah.

00:44:38.520 This is a group that my mom was a member of, so I've had some familiarity with it.

00:44:42.200 Yeah.

00:44:42.600 But they were apparently like a big muckety-muck thing for a while. 0.96

00:44:45.240 And I was like, what?

00:44:47.960 This is also interesting about board positions is my dad was seeing them as quite like a prestigious

00:44:52.680 thing in his generation.

00:44:53.560 And you remember when I was younger, I wanted them.

00:44:55.640 And then recently, I sort of came to the realization of like board positions don't

00:44:59.640 matter anymore.

00:45:00.520 Well, what they became, I think there was this misunderstanding among people was that

00:45:08.360 I could have a career of being on boards, that board positions pay.

00:45:12.760 And yes, it's true.

00:45:13.800 Some do, but the vast majority don't.

00:45:16.360 In fact, the positions that most people get on when attempting to become career board position

00:45:21.880 holders require you to donate significant amount of money.

00:45:26.440 Most boards are basically, oh, these people are on because they donated a lot of money

00:45:31.560 to this company.

00:45:32.280 Well, they want to feel special.

00:45:33.320 They want to feel like they have influence and they don't.

00:45:35.400 Yeah.

00:45:35.640 And so they're just donors who get board positions to feel fancy.

00:45:41.160 And then they kind of expect, well, okay, I'll just donate a ton to be on all these companies'

00:45:45.240 boards.

00:45:45.560 But then other companies will approach me to become a board member because I'm such a prolific

00:45:50.280 board member and therefore I must be very good.

00:45:53.000 And I think that that's the leap that doesn't work and that leads people to end up spending

00:45:58.920 a lot of money on nonprofits that don't necessarily do anything helpful aside from spend a lot of

00:46:04.840 their money just finding new people to get into the scam.

00:46:07.800 So yeah, it's kind of a lame way to spend your time.

00:46:12.680 All right, Simone, I love you to death.

00:46:14.520 This has been a really interesting topic for me.

00:46:16.120 Do you have any final thoughts?

00:46:17.080 If you want to have a livelihood in a post-EI age, you need to build an online footprint that is

00:46:30.600 niche, that is distinct, where you're digging into unique talents of yours and where you are

00:46:36.600 at least on the pathway to providing a unique product or service that either your local community

00:46:43.720 will want or that you're like the 1% of the people and their techno fiefdoms will want to buy from you.

00:46:52.600 Like really weird, cool art or custom made cabinetry.

00:46:56.360 So you want to make yourself an AI's go-to source for some subject.

00:47:02.520 Yeah.

00:47:02.840 And like, it can be really specific.

00:47:04.040 Like one of my, my, my friends from childhood, both of her parents were artists and they were

00:47:09.240 artists by trade, they made their money doing making art, but how did they do it?

00:47:13.960 It was because one of them, for example, did masonry for all the giant mansions in California.

00:47:19.880 Like they wanted custom stonework and he did it.

00:47:22.680 And I think that his work is as foreign as it seems to me when I was a kid is way more representative

00:47:30.360 of what we can expect to see people making as their livelihoods going forward.

00:47:35.400 Well, it's the locksmith who just came over to our house today.

00:47:37.960 Like that kind of work is also something that I would expect.

00:47:40.840 Here's my question for you, Simone.

00:47:41.880 Yeah.

00:47:42.440 What is your thoughts if somebody is like, well, if the AI have access to enough of my work,

00:47:46.520 it can eventually clone me.

00:47:48.440 And my answer would be, if you're doing that kind of work, you're in trouble.

00:47:53.960 Like, yeah, no, and that's, that's the problem.

00:47:55.560 When I, when I say stonemasonry, I'm talking about something that 0.86

00:47:58.360 even it would be difficult for a, a, a robot to, to physically do because it is,

00:48:05.400 it is a vertical integrated process.

00:48:08.040 You are procuring the stone.

00:48:09.880 You're hauling it over in your truck.

00:48:11.800 You are, you are installing it.

00:48:13.880 You are moving it around.

00:48:15.160 You are carving it.

00:48:16.520 These are things, you know, you could have a robot or some kind of automated system,

00:48:21.880 do components of that.

00:48:23.240 But in the end, it's a lot easier for a wealthy person.

00:48:25.960 Just, just, just.

00:48:26.920 Okay, well, here's, here's me playing devil's advocate.

00:48:29.320 Okay.

00:48:29.640 Okay.

00:48:29.960 Yeah.

00:48:30.360 In a few years, AI is going to be able to create episodes of Basecamp with you and I

00:48:34.600 talking and people won't be able to tell us, not us.

00:48:36.680 Yeah.

00:48:37.960 Are you worried about that?

00:48:38.920 Or you think that's a great thing?

00:48:39.880 Basecamp isn't our bet on our, our career and our specialty.

00:48:43.480 Yeah.

00:48:43.800 Our career and our specialty, I think is going to focus more on governance, community building,

00:48:50.760 kid education, and especially cultivating a network.

00:48:53.800 I'm going to be glad when I can go to an AI and say, make an episode of Basecamp for me.

00:48:57.320 I don't have time today.

00:48:58.200 Oh, no, I don't want to.

00:49:00.680 Even if, honestly, even if these never got published, I would still.

00:49:05.160 Well, it's good training data.

00:49:06.360 I mean, that's why we do it is so AI has good training data on us.

00:49:09.640 And we also do it because it's fun.

00:49:10.920 This is our, this is our date night.

00:49:12.680 This is our time that we enjoy because we like. 0.99

00:49:17.320 You're such a nerd.

00:49:18.280 Every time you're just like excited about AI or excited about the direction the future is going. 0.79

00:49:23.000 I'm so excited to have married somebody like you, who's not a stick in the mud. 0.99

00:49:28.120 And if you want to check out some of our existing AI projects right now,

00:49:31.640 whistling.ai was a Z is an AI system right now.

00:49:35.800 It's a web app.

00:49:36.440 So you can put it on your phone or whatever.

00:49:37.880 We're eventually going to build like standalone devices for it.

00:49:40.440 That allows your kids to talk to their stuffed animals.

00:49:42.280 So you can program it to believe it's any stuffed animal, any form factor you want.

00:49:46.200 And then have it bring the conversation back to any educational topic you want.

00:49:50.280 Using your kid's name and understanding their interests.

00:49:53.080 So if you say that your kid really likes Minecraft or Legos or Bluey or, you know,

00:49:59.160 butterflies, it will also talk about it.

00:50:02.040 Just give us feedback.

00:50:02.920 Be like, hey, the kid liked this.

00:50:04.360 The kid didn't like this.

00:50:05.240 Yeah.

00:50:05.800 We got Parasia or the Collins Institute, whatever you want to call it.

00:50:09.080 Easy to find.

00:50:09.880 It is our educational system for older kids.

00:50:13.240 You know, we've got about like 20 or 30 active users every day now, which is really great.

00:50:17.560 And we want more.

00:50:18.600 We're going to make it cheaper.

00:50:19.640 That's one of the things we're working on right now.

00:50:22.200 And very less expensive.

00:50:24.600 It is actually a costly service.

00:50:27.800 Less expensive.

00:50:28.600 Yes.

00:50:29.400 And then we've also got our fab.ai, which is our final product, which is the video game

00:50:34.440 immersive AI world that we're building.

00:50:36.760 And this one, if you're interested in sort of exploring immersive worlds that are built

00:50:41.560 by AI, get on lists for this.

00:50:43.880 We occasionally release demos at various stages of development.

00:50:47.240 We did that like a week ago and then we took it back offline because the development team

00:50:51.080 was like, I can make this so much better.

00:50:52.440 I don't want it out there.

00:50:53.240 I don't want it reflecting us right now and then put it back out.

00:50:55.560 But I like that.

00:50:56.680 I like that.

00:50:57.080 It's continuing development.

00:50:58.600 It will be out there more and more.

00:51:00.520 And I am just really excited for all of these projects that we're involved in, in managing,

00:51:06.680 because AI has sort of opened the field to change everything.

00:51:10.040 Like when I look at the whistling system and I give it to our kids, I'm like, why has nobody

00:51:13.960 else made this? 0.98

00:51:14.600 Like, why is everybody else's like AI talkie thing so dumb? 0.97

00:51:19.720 Like, why isn't it educational? 0.96

00:51:21.800 Why isn't it?

00:51:22.600 Why doesn't it let me make it whatever I want it to be?

00:51:24.920 You know, why is it all controlled?

00:51:26.920 Yeah, apparently the Talktua app that was released by Haley, whatever her name is,

00:51:33.240 the Hawktua woman, had a soccer coach on it for the longest time. 1.00

00:51:37.160 Like just weird, weird stuff going on.

00:51:39.080 So.

00:51:39.400 Soccer coach?

00:51:40.680 Yeah.

00:51:41.320 Don't ask me why.

00:51:42.280 What?

00:51:42.840 Just like a fake soccer coach?

00:51:44.760 Yeah.

00:51:45.080 Like, yeah, like AI soccer coach chatbot.

00:51:51.160 How do I look?

00:51:51.720 Look a little dark, but I know you like a little dark.

00:51:57.880 That's how, that's how everybody knows I'm mysterious.

00:51:59.720 You're like it dark. 0.91

00:52:00.600 You're mysterious.

00:52:02.600 The bugs are still, the invisible bugs are still in there, right?

00:52:07.800 Pretty sure.

00:52:09.240 Yeah, the bugs live on the leaves.

00:52:13.720 What do you think, Torsten?

00:52:17.000 Did you see birds back there?

00:52:18.280 Yeah.

00:52:18.600 How afraid of others?

00:52:19.240 All right, let's keep going.

00:52:21.240 Um-

00:52:22.000 I see a little white box.

Based Camp - September 11, 2025

How Europe's Relation With AI Is Erasing It From History (How AI Changes The Collective Consciousness)

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