Based Camp - How Evolution Proves the Bible

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to talk with you today in a recent episode i pointed out i was like it is

00:00:05.860 weird to within a modern context and christianity and stuff like this when people are saying that

00:00:13.040 evolution is not coherent with genesis and i would say that at least my readings of genesis

00:00:18.980 evolution makes me believe genesis more because genesis says a bunch of stuff that aligns with

00:00:26.900 what we know about the evolutionary timeline without saying anything that disconfirms the

00:00:32.580 evolutionary timeline so we are going to get into this and it's it's it's such a fun topic for me to

00:00:40.440 get into because when i was a kid and i believe that genesis said what as i call it sunday school

00:00:47.800 christianity you know well genesis says x y and z and and i if you look at it and then don't look

00:00:55.000 alternate translations of the words in it whenever something looks a little fishy or looks like it

00:00:59.480 may be factually incorrect or don't look up how that word is used in other places in the old 0.95

00:01:04.680 testament you immediately are like okay that's believable right and so that's stupid because 0.96

00:01:09.720 that's an old story for savages we will call them cave jews 0.99

00:01:14.200 and then you come at it with a more modern mindset i mean just if you look at the mere

00:01:28.860 timeline given in it right it says first you have non-animal life then you have the vast array no

00:01:38.580 it doesn't even say like fishes it's it's the vast array of creatures that live in the sea

00:01:42.160 along with some form of large reptilian creature which no what could that be yeah what what could

00:01:52.400 that be now no there's a lot of really cool first it's not as simple as saying like they easily

00:01:58.440 could have ripped fishes right but if you're describing the evolutionary timeline the vast

00:02:04.580 array of things that live in the sea is a very good description for early animal life 100 percent

00:02:10.860 yeah and i'm also going to go into stuff in the translations here where a lot of people

00:02:14.920 argue that the the giant thing that's written here the tenon or whatever is like a leviacin

00:02:20.440 that is a giant sea creature like serpent or something like that and i'm going to point out

00:02:26.440 that actually if you read the correct hebrew which we'll go into um it isn't necessarily

00:02:34.540 talking about a sea animal it's only talking about a large reptilian creature it just talks

00:02:39.300 about it in the same context as it's talking about sea animals so people often assumed it was talking

00:02:44.280 about sea animals and then it says there were also some very large sea there were some large reptiles

00:02:49.480 but i'm just saying like if i was trying to give an evolutionary timeline of history then it says

00:02:53.900 you've got the birds then you've got the creatures on earth today so like before we go into this

00:02:58.800 even broadly most people are aware it gives this timeline do you know how many other religions and

00:03:05.400 i'm talking even if i go native american traditions even if i go african traditions because i've gone

00:03:10.680 through ai after ai trying to find a single other religion that gets the evolutionary timeline as

00:03:17.280 close to right as this there isn't one yeah i can't think of one for sure based on all the

00:03:24.300 traditions i've heard everything yeah there isn't even one that gets the first two simple steps

00:03:31.180 right non-animal life and aquatic life or fishes or anything like i tried to get it so many outs

00:03:37.780 wow nothing nothing comes close to getting those two stages right so again this isn't just like

00:03:44.420 they randomly threw stuff together and happened to get it right this is like easily very very

00:03:51.720 right related stuff so we're gonna get into that very very fun so note a lot of people will be like

00:03:57.200 well there's some really obvious mistakes that you find for example that non-animal-based life

00:04:06.000 came about before the sun and the moon to which i would be like well actually hold on a second here

00:04:16.000 do you know what the oldest evidence of life we have on earth is it's australia's jack hills

00:04:23.520 zikrons which date about 4.4 billion years old um into the hadion era all right so do you know when

00:04:33.360 the moon was formed formed by the way from a collision of a body about the size of mars into

00:04:39.040 earth which led to the surface being largely covered in magma for a period that would likely

00:04:44.320 have wiped out any evidence we had of life from before that period it was formed 4.5 billion years

00:04:52.800 ago so the moon is from 4.5 billion years ago in an event that would have wiped any evidence of

00:05:00.960 life existing before it off the surface of the earth then 4.4 billion years ago we see evidence

00:05:07.440 of life what's the chance you think that there could have been life on earth before this collision

00:05:15.200 and that it in some way influenced or seeded the life that came after the collision i'm gonna at

00:05:22.080 least say like from my perspective at least 20 to 30 percent and i wouldn't have known that without

00:05:27.840 going into this otherwise you have to assume that coincidentally life just happened to first evolve

00:05:33.920 almost immediately after this collision during one of the most violent times of earth's history

00:05:40.000 which seems unlikely and then you can say well okay but the sun definitely existed before that

00:05:47.920 And we can say, all right, but if you read the Bible, it says that it separated the night from

00:05:56.000 the day. That is the point of the creation of the sun in this particular story. And if we go 4.4

00:06:03.720 billion years ago to those Jackson Hills Zycrons, right? The atmosphere was still transitioning. 0.92

00:06:10.360 More specifically, it had really high levels of CO2, potentially tens of hundreds of times higher

00:06:15.960 than modern and a very high level of water vapor that sustained a really strong greenhouse at fast

00:06:21.960 and permanent very thick cloud layers and the image i have in the background here is an image

00:06:29.020 from as you can see it's from a scientific catalog right of what scientists think earth

00:06:34.160 looked like during this period of earth's history so it would have been um extremely extremely

00:06:40.940 diffuse and hazy most days during that period from what we know of earth would have just looked like

00:06:49.380 an orangish reddish overcast things you would not have been able to see or would have been able to

00:06:55.940 see very rarely maybe once every few hundred years or something like that are the stars and a clear

00:07:03.700 day and night so actually the bible isn't even that wrong on some of the weirder claims it makes

00:07:11.940 a note here we're gonna go into like a lot of people will be like uh-uh it says that god formed

00:07:17.980 the animals with the dirt that it formed man with the dirt and we're gonna point out the word that

00:07:24.680 is translated in your sunday school bible into formed throughout the rest of the old testament

00:07:30.380 do you know what it means no actually planned really it yes and we'll go through instances

00:07:40.620 it's a it can be used to mean formed but it could equally be used to say god planned the dirt to

00:07:47.320 become human god planned the dirt to become animals oh but we're gonna go over all sorts

00:07:53.960 of fun stuff like this which is fun and we're gonna mostly be focused on the first story of

00:07:58.380 genesis because genesis sort of has two beginning of earth stories that aren't really that

00:08:02.240 contradictory we have another episode the adam and eve story that goes over that one i think it's one

00:08:06.700 of the best episodes we've ever produced if you're interested it doesn't even contradict

00:08:09.840 normal christianity that much and it's very elucidating for i think a lot of people run

00:08:14.360 what's actually in the adam and eve story because it's not often what you're taught

00:08:17.440 and note here when people are like well if it's saying that god like planned man to come out of

00:08:23.520 dirt or whatever right like that that still doesn't mean evolution right you know because

00:08:27.980 evolution is a natural process so that wouldn't be god doing it and here i'm gonna be like okay 0.92

00:08:31.920 let's just talk about the nature of miracles imagine god was like i'm gonna shoot that guy

00:08:38.020 was lightning right like calling the shots and then all of a sudden you see lightning come down

00:08:42.300 from the sky and shock a guy and he falls over dead and then you turn and you go yeah but that

00:08:49.640 was static in the clouds that caused that lightning. And so I don't really think that

00:08:54.640 that was a miracle, right? You know, because it was done through natural processes. I'm like,

00:09:00.160 actually, that's a little bit more impressive than just magicing it. Okay. Right. Let's go

00:09:05.320 into this. Now the Lord God formed out the ground, all the wild animals and the birds in the sky.

00:09:10.840 So the word used here for formed means to mold, shape, or fashion. It can mean that. Okay. However,

00:09:17.760 it's frequently used to describe a plan a purpose a division or preordaining and specifically the

00:09:26.660 root idea of yatsvar is to through a plan mold or shape something into a specific form so we're

00:09:33.140 going to look at instances where we see it used this way you have isaiah 22 11 but you did not

00:09:40.040 look to him who did it or planned it and this is the same word here or have a regard for him who

00:09:46.580 planned it long ago. Again, the planned here is the same word that was used to mean form or

00:09:53.240 translated as form in Genesis. If you go to Isaiah 37, 27, and there's a parallel in 2 Kings 19, 25,

00:10:01.860 have you not heard that I determined it long ago? I planned it from the days of old. The word planned

00:10:07.960 here is the same word that's used for form. I'm not going to go through every instance. We've got

00:10:12.300 an instance in isaiah 46 11 plasm 42 20 jeremiah 18 11 basically it's just everywhere this is not

00:10:21.520 an uncommon way to use that word and people can say well obviously when the bible was written

00:10:26.560 that's not the way the savage people of you know however many four or five thousand years ago were

00:10:33.140 meant to understand these lines and i'm going to say isn't that even kind of crazier exactly ruth

00:10:40.660 could be baked into the text that as science continued to uncover things, we were able to

00:10:47.060 reread it in a way that would never make sense to somebody 5,000 years ago, but it's not

00:10:52.960 disconfirming of modern science. Can you see why that affirms my faith that there might have been

00:10:57.720 some actual divine inspiration for this instead of disconfirms? Now let's go to another thing that

00:11:04.260 people will complain about. They will say, well, it says days, right? It says on day one, on day

00:11:10.260 to etc right and the bible in general get it throws me with timing you know he lived for

00:11:16.280 100 something years yeah i often hear the and i always thought this was a really bad counter

00:11:22.440 explanation where they'll be like well you know because days didn't really exist yet at the

00:11:29.740 beginning of time and the human concept of day didn't exist uh these days could mean any amount

00:11:35.400 of time you want them to be right and i always found this to be very flimsy i was like come on

00:11:42.960 like that that really just seems like rebegging the point like i don't i don't i don't buy that

00:11:48.060 but okay let's ask this question again the word that's translated as day here especially with the

00:11:54.960 concept of a morning and night attached to it which you do have in oh really okay is it in other

00:12:01.160 parts of the Old Testament and Hebrew writing used to refer to something longer than a single day?

00:12:09.300 Or does the word sometimes mean something other than a literal one day? Oh, so what's the,

00:12:16.580 what's the answer? All over the place. So some even very, very common ones. So the day of the

00:12:24.320 lord this is isaiah 2 12 13 6 13 9 joel 1 15 to 1 i don't need to go over all the place it's all

00:12:32.100 over the place and it refers to a future period of divine judgment and or blessing often involving

00:12:37.540 cosmic signs and battles um pretty much all christians and jews believe in the day of the lord

00:12:43.960 and none of them believe it's one day like that's not a common interpretation yet it's all over the

00:12:50.580 bible and and very and this is within the communities that take the creationist literalist

00:12:56.280 approach this is the thing that gets me because what we're going to be going over is a lot of

00:12:59.320 verses here where day is used to mean something longer than a day that are taken to mean that by

00:13:04.680 the same groups that say in genesis it must mean a literal day so the word that we're translating

00:13:11.220 as a day here you don't even need to be like oh you know in the perception of god a day of a

00:13:18.140 thousand years or whatever, it literally, in other places of the Bible, is translated to mean

00:13:24.840 era. And when you think about a word like the era of the Lord instead of the day of the Lord,

00:13:32.660 it actually sort of makes more sense when we see this mistranslation appear in other places as

00:13:37.240 well. Now, do I think to the Savage Cave, Gio, when they heard this story that they weren't

00:13:43.280 thinking of literal days? No, they probably were. They simply didn't have any context to understand

00:13:49.680 the context of billions or trillions of years. So it makes sense that we would have talked if

00:13:56.260 they were having some form of supernatural inspiration to write down a true big history

00:14:03.260 time span of earth, they would have used this word that I think divinely has another meaning

00:14:10.720 in other parts of the bible which is era to say some period of time so another instance here joshua

00:14:17.660 24 7 and you lived in the wilderness many days now this is translated as a long time and this

00:14:24.600 refers to the 40 years of wandering now 40 years of wandering isn't just many days okay that's 40

00:14:30.960 effing years of wandering right uh then you have Isaiah 6 2 after two days he will revive us and

00:14:37.700 on the third day he will raise us up many scholars including most of the scholars who take a literal

00:14:42.960 interpretation of days in genesis see this as prophetic of a longer period often to israel's

00:14:48.600 restoration or even the time of christ's restoration using the a day is like a thousand

00:14:54.660 years principle from plasms 94 and peter 3 8 songs whatever people say the day is like a thousand

00:15:02.680 years one they use to mean they argue it in this i've heard that argument before i just find it

00:15:07.680 a lot more convincing that and again you have daniel 8 2 where again you have days used to mean

00:15:13.580 something that is generally agreed as being much longer than a day but what's interesting here is

00:15:20.460 in daniel 8 26 you also even have the convention of evening and morning attached with this concept

00:15:28.200 of a day to delineate something that is much longer than what we when we're talking about a

00:15:33.500 literal day mean and and this to me is just much more compelling if this word is used all over the

00:15:39.000 place to mean something other than a literal day why would we not see it as being more like the

00:15:45.800 term era or epoch which it does seem to be referencing in terms of time horizons if we're

00:15:52.600 looking at evolutionary and geological history okay yeah yes so you can say well if they wanted

00:16:00.420 to say epoch why didn't they say epoch why didn't they say billions of years and the answer is they

00:16:09.060 just didn't have those words right that those those words aren't in the bible the scales of time that

00:16:15.220 this verse is talking about is simply not talked about anywhere else in the bible so of course

00:16:21.380 they wouldn't use it of course somebody of people living in a freaking desert 10 000 years ago

00:16:28.980 wouldn't have had the concept of geological history to write that down right it was explained

00:16:35.060 to them it would look like this so if you note here and you go to the wild thing about the ai

00:16:43.880 response is i asked it is there any word in ancient hebrew of the time of the old testament

00:16:48.240 that can use to mean era or epoch or did such a word not exist yet so not only does it give me

00:16:53.480 this cycle word but it then says under that if basically if you're not using that word

00:16:59.540 the next best word to use is yom the word that's actually used here um what's also really cool is

00:17:06.940 if you look at the scholarly debate on this what they'll say is okay yes it's within the

00:17:12.040 called the semantic range of the word yom to be used as era in that sometimes it's used to mean

00:17:17.940 era epoch in the bible but that's not how it's normally used in the bible the vast majority of

00:17:22.920 because, I mean, you're just going to be talking about days a lot more often

00:17:26.400 than you'll be talking about epoch or era.

00:17:28.800 But to me, that's a really bad argument for it being interpreted that way

00:17:32.260 in this particular context.

00:17:35.060 Because, yes, obviously you use the word day more than the word era,

00:17:40.300 but in this context, era just makes a lot more sense

00:17:44.580 when we know actual scientific history.

00:17:48.320 More than that, when people come and they go,

00:17:51.440 well look it talks about having night times and day times in this story and it's like bro even in

00:17:58.460 english you would hear somebody be like well at the sunset of the victorian era you don't think

00:18:04.340 oh well that meant that the victorian era happened in a day so what alternate word could they have

00:18:11.160 used other than the word they used if they wanted to use a word that was closer to something like

00:18:16.540 an era or an epoch there really is only one other word and once you know it it's immediately obvious

00:18:23.680 why it wasn't used if you're trying to be true it's the word tekufa or tekaf and this appears

00:18:31.920 four times in the tanakh so what does this mean it means a cycle a turn or a circuit so it would

00:18:40.680 have indicated a view of time in history that is much closer to like a hindu or buddhist one

00:18:47.720 which is not in alignment with what we know about evolution or the way history works

00:18:52.940 so suppose the cave jew who was having these revelations he says let's suppose some sort of

00:18:59.540 angel is is inspiring them or something and it's like a really really long time period and they're 0.90

00:19:03.940 like oh you mean like a turn or a cycle and they're like no not like that do you have any

00:19:09.480 other words you can use um just yeah like a day like a just use this word that you use to mean

00:19:16.660 arbitrary long period of time all right now we're going to go over all of the lines from genesis

00:19:22.240 and go over how actually affirming they are and how from my perspective of modern science seems

00:19:30.200 to affirm them and we'll go over the one or two contradictions where i'm like this is a genuine

00:19:35.160 problem but the genuine problems are actually even more interesting to me because they present

00:19:40.760 things where if like techno puritism our version of christianity becomes a religion that's popular

00:19:46.640 people can say look they predicted science would overturn this based on the bible 50 years ago 100

00:19:53.400 years ago and if we end up being right about those things that is going to be very very spicy in

00:19:59.740 terms of affirmation of there's some form of divine inspiration for this story all right so

00:20:04.860 let's go into this in the beginning god created heavens and the earth now the earth was formless

00:20:10.840 and empty darkness was over the surface of the deep and the spirit of god was hovering over the

00:20:16.020 waters so immediately we have a number of problems here right like if you're taking a normal sunday

00:20:21.460 school typically you just read this line and you drop it you're just like okay something just

00:20:26.420 whatever yeah i guess god's hovering over waters that sounds like normal you know pagan nonsense

00:20:34.600 right like like like the type of thing i'd expect some tribal group to write or something right

00:20:39.160 maybe maybe a little more fluttery but whatever and then you go no no no like let's let's suppose

00:20:44.960 i'm taking this seriously right this doesn't make sense the way it's translated to english here

00:20:50.540 yeah specifically okay so it's talking about a formless empty darkness first of all very

00:20:57.760 interesting if you're thinking about like pre-big bang how do you describe reality time before the

00:21:05.500 big bang i think a formless empty darkness is a pretty good description 100 yeah and people can

00:21:14.620 then say well look here it's saying now the earth was a formless empty darkness and i'm gonna be

00:21:19.420 like clearly that's not what it means because it can't both be the earth and a formless empty

00:21:25.000 darkness so earth in this context clearly means everything not just the earth as we understand it

00:21:31.960 secondarily you now have the issue of okay so you have the earth with a formless empty darkness

00:21:39.540 over the surface of the deep right okay so and then god that implies also yeah like a the earth

00:21:48.240 covered in oceans which is how it was in the beginning right yes during a part of our early

00:21:52.880 history but we'll get to that in a second but it then says so basically you have two things you have

00:21:56.920 the water right the the surface of the deep and then uh the formless empty deep itself and then

00:22:03.880 the darkness right these two things are sort of in in opposition to each other and then you have

00:22:08.780 the the spirit of god hovering over the water so wait that doesn't make any sense because the earth

00:22:14.460 with a formless empty darkness over the surface of the deep so that means now god is either like

00:22:20.420 under the water in the deep or he is the formless empty darkness right you're on one of two sides of

00:22:27.500 this water surface it assuming the word over in this context means that he is literally spatially

00:22:36.020 hovering over something so then you have to look you have to say well does the word over mean

00:22:41.140 anything else which we'll get into in a second it does by the way this spoiler and then secondarily

00:22:46.700 we have the word hovering here which is a very weird word that is used very very rarely in the

00:22:52.140 old testament and doesn't at all mean what hovering hovering is a terrible translation

00:22:57.920 of the word it basically means a thing in constant non-hurried movement slash development

00:23:06.400 oh yeah okay yeah now i can see how hovering would be like the closest you're gonna get to

00:23:12.420 was an easy word yeah but i think that's actually a way more important to understand what that word

00:23:18.140 because as soon as you're like that's a weird word to use there right yeah so let's go against

00:23:23.160 this okay so first of all what are the other things that over could mean in this context

00:23:27.800 it could mean against they are putting god as something that exists in opposition to the

00:23:33.980 formlessness before time okay before the big bang right or it could mean sort of like uh

00:23:42.140 after so here you have this in proverbs 25 11 you have this in leviticus 15 25 and you have this in

00:23:50.660 job 21 32 where you got it it sort of means like either after or in the right time in relation to

00:24:00.940 like that god is a thing that exists both after in opposition to the formless empty darkness

00:24:07.900 which to me seems a lot easier to like that that doesn't have any problems for me i'm like okay

00:24:13.500 that seems true and then let's look at what this word hovering means we've gone over this before

00:24:18.220 but just to go over quickly it means not standing still but vibrating with life or purpose in

00:24:24.200 constant movement but also in a non-hurried way so where do we see this in other places we see this

00:24:30.200 in Deuteronomy 32 11 and this like like an eagle stirs upon its nest and hovers over its young

00:24:37.980 okay so one of the only other instances we have of this is something protectively

00:24:43.840 guarding its young or something that's that's gestating right and then in which is a way better

00:24:50.140 term than than hover as well in this context there's sort of brooding over something and then

00:24:55.600 in jeremiah 23 9 we have my heart is broken within me all my bones and then this word and

00:25:02.760 here it's translated to tremble like a constant shake of shaking or movement if you take and i'm

00:25:07.520 not going to go too into techno puritan stuff here because i don't want to this is not what

00:25:10.940 this episode's about it's about evolution but this is very affirming of a techno puritan

00:25:15.020 understanding of god rather than being a static entity being an evolving entity but to continue

00:25:20.460 here. So next line here. And then God said, so keep in mind, we have dark, empty, formless void,

00:25:26.480 right? So what does God do in relation to the dark, empty void, right? I'm sure you know this

00:25:32.460 part of the story, God, Simone. He says, let there be light. And then there was light. God saw that

00:25:38.900 the light was good and he separated the light from darkness. God called the light day and the

00:25:44.000 darkness called night and there was evening and there was morning the first day any of you want

00:25:50.540 to say well there couldn't have been a meaningful day and night at the creation of the universe

00:25:55.440 note here that clearly this doesn't mean day and night as we experience it on earth because that

00:26:01.320 happens in a future one of the eras specifically the and god said let there be lights in the vault

00:26:07.060 of the sky to separate the day from the night so clearly this is talking about something else in

00:26:12.220 regard to night and day here what i assume it means because it talks about the light or the

00:26:19.740 photons that are emitted with the big bang is probably light and dark matter and energy now

00:26:24.740 first great explanation of the big bang if you're trying to explain the big bang to savages living

00:26:30.840 in the woods 10 000 years ago or in a desert 10 000 years ago you're not gonna imagine trying to

00:26:37.060 explain to them it's like okay so like time didn't exactly exist in any way we understand it the laws

00:26:43.400 of physics probably didn't even exist before the big bang and then there was this like giant

00:26:48.140 explosion and all of these photons came out of it and they're like what are you talking about

00:26:54.140 and you're like there was a dark and formless void yeah and then there was light yeah they're

00:27:00.260 like ah yes that makes sense yeah you have to use language that can be passed on that can make sense

00:27:06.700 in the context in which it's being yeah any there i do not i do not literally think this could have

00:27:13.360 been any closer to the highest fidelity language possible yes that could have been passed on

00:27:21.620 in desert savages for thousands of years and we do know that this was passed on with a high

00:27:27.380 degree of fidelity because we have old testament from the dead sea scrolls that have fragments of

00:27:32.000 this story right yeah literally a thousand years before our next fully intact version and they have

00:27:37.260 virtually no differences they have a few differences in like poetic language where

00:27:41.960 like they're the few places where they're a little repetitive and those repetitive parts are gone

00:27:45.520 and i can see how a scribe just didn't cover the repetitive parts but like generally it served as

00:27:51.220 purpose okay so now we're gonna go to the next line okay and note here separating darkness from

00:27:58.920 light this could be something that we yet to understand about the universe we do know that

00:28:04.700 there are a lot of problems with understanding dark matter in the universe right now matter

00:28:09.060 appears to exist in oppositional forms could this make some sense once we better understand dark

00:28:15.980 matter and dark energy it might but we know that they appear to be pretty important in the cosmic

00:28:20.940 order and larger than what we consider regular matter that we interact with regularly so it

00:28:26.300 seems relevant that they would mention it here to continue yeah by the way had you ever thought

00:28:30.560 about all of this in these terms or i remember the last time i started reading genesis i was like oh

00:28:36.820 my god because that was my first time reading it after historical geology and you know these things

00:28:41.540 you're touched on from that perspective like here's what we know from the fossil record here's

00:28:46.000 what we know from studying earth and you know doing deep core samples and all these other crazy

00:28:52.160 things yeah and you were just like this isn't as this is like pretty accurate yeah oh my god yeah

00:28:58.220 because well i didn't expect it at all because you hear that there's all these young earth

00:29:03.920 creationists and then you just assume that the bible is like really explicit like boom you know

00:29:10.060 that everything happened and everyone was there at the same time and the yeah for me young earth

00:29:15.740 creationism is just literally ignoring what the bible says in favor of what your sunday school

00:29:21.540 teacher said like i don't mean to i know we have young earth creationist fans and everything like

00:29:24.860 that but like that it just seems like if if the bible isn't antagonistic to these ideas it just

00:29:31.980 seems like sticking a spoke in your own like wheels of your own bicycle and then it crashes

00:29:36.740 and you're like oh what like fans will sometimes come to me and they'll be like i can convince you

00:29:41.880 that the bible actually means x or y and i'm like but then i just wouldn't believe the bible because

00:29:46.500 this is like easily observably wrong right like i believe the bible because it aligns it's coherent

00:29:51.840 with reality and it's coherent was a very sophisticated understanding of reality that

00:29:56.580 there is no way that people of that period could have had which is why i believe that they didn't

00:30:00.860 come up with this out of nowhere and if you want to come to me was like a well why do you believe

00:30:06.580 in evolution malcolm that's crazy there's big gaps in the fossil record and blah blah blah blah

00:30:11.700 blah it's like okay so my first job outside of like household local jobs stuff like that

00:30:18.940 was working in the human evolution department at the smithsonian museum of natural history

00:30:23.220 if you go through the exhibit on human evolution in that and you go to the part of the exhibit

00:30:28.180 that is just every hominid fossil we have from like australopithecus to modern man

00:30:34.240 I constructed that. I had to go through every single one of those fossils and take 380 images

00:30:41.940 of them. This idea that you cannot see when you're looking at the entire fossil record,

00:30:47.880 a clear gradient of evolution that matches well with the historic timeline is just factually

00:30:56.320 wrong. Yes, we have some gaps, but every time you fill one gap, you now have two gaps

00:31:01.820 on either side of that gap you're always going to have gaps until you find literally every skeleton

00:31:07.880 of every iterative change going back like it's just not doable but in terms of like the broad

00:31:14.880 strokes either evolution is true or god used a number of miracles to try to make it look as if

00:31:26.260 evolution was true in some form of test that were not one warned about in the bible and two i can't

00:31:34.240 understand why a good god would lay out for us that's why i believe it right like i i think that

00:31:41.300 to just deny this when when i personally held many of these extremely valuable skulls right

00:31:50.240 like i've gone through the record i had skulls all around me at this at this point in my career

00:31:55.780 And there's this very clear gradient and looking at that and being like, okay, so either God is in some way testing us by giving us this much evidence, or it's almost kind of miraculous that so many of the missing links, if you talk about how not populous our species and our ancestors were, ended up surviving.

00:32:20.000 or God made sure that we preserved a fairly good record

00:32:23.740 so that we could understand how we came to be

00:32:26.540 and our role in the greater chain of life.

00:32:30.880 Also, that just broadly seems like such an un-God thing to do.

00:32:35.100 God gives us this great and giant puzzle to solve

00:32:38.420 through generations of research,

00:32:41.920 laying it all out very clearly for us as we build this puzzle.

00:32:46.180 and the outcome of the puzzle is the test like that we're supposed to not believe it even though

00:32:54.740 the bible doesn't clearly contradict it that that doesn't seem like what's the point of the test

00:33:01.960 anyway but people are wondering how i do believe it i believe that like a bunch of traditions form

00:33:06.340 randomly and this was the one that was the closest to an absolutely true tradition and so it was

00:33:10.900 favored through history but that's a different you want to get into our track series so to continue

00:33:14.880 here and god said let there be a vault between the waters to separate the water from water so

00:33:22.180 god made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it and was and it

00:33:28.180 was so god called the vault sky and there was an evening and there was morning the second day

00:33:34.820 and this is one area where i'm really not sure what's meant here i don't see how this

00:33:39.500 it doesn't discorrelate with modern science because if we're right about what's meant by

00:33:44.560 water here he's talking about not literal water but the formlessness before time um so

00:33:52.460 what what could this be i don't know i assume it's something that physics just doesn't have it

00:33:57.640 doesn't it's not contradictory to any of our understanding of physics because what's on the

00:34:01.420 other side of the vault is what we call the sky so it's whatever is at the end of the sky and we

00:34:08.000 just don't have the physics to understand this yet now if you take a literalist interpretation

00:34:11.100 the way that people used to understand this like if you go back to you know ancient hebrew times

00:34:15.420 they thought you look at the sky and it's like a literal dome over your head and on the other side

00:34:21.100 of that dome is the water the the endless the endless void and the the you know the stars are

00:34:27.160 all sort of painted on the dome that's the way that they used to understand it so it's either

00:34:30.580 disconforming it's it's it's predictive i guess i would say of this so one of the things that i

00:34:35.300 wanted to go into here was why water like what why do they keep talking about water here why do

00:34:41.360 they use water in these analogies i think they use water for the same reason they use fire you

00:34:46.040 know burn it with fire that doesn't mean like sometimes there are no other ways to describe

00:34:50.240 things like deleting or you know other forms of elimination yeah which is what we argue the lake

00:34:55.900 of fire likely means and gehenna likely means is where you burn things but water it appears to be

00:35:01.180 because if you look at creation myths from around this period in this area whatever was at the

00:35:07.020 beginning is typically thought of as deep abyss depths primedial there was no concept for a

00:35:12.200 vacuum how do you explain that to someone it's not a hole it's like the opposite of a hole the

00:35:18.420 biggest thing you could possibly give to someone for them to imagine is the ocean is some vast

00:35:23.760 body of water that is the closest they can get to a large empty boat yeah well here's another fun

00:35:29.960 thing do you know what else the term that we're translating as water here could be translated into

00:35:34.640 oh no do tell semen oh well hold on if you're thinking about it from a life-giving perspective

00:35:42.340 sure yeah you're looking at what's what's the you could think of it as anti-life if you're talking 0.82

00:35:48.040 about like the abyss versus life itself right but anyway to continue here and then god said

00:35:54.720 let the water under the sky be gathered into one place and let dry ground appear and it was so

00:35:59.860 god called the dry ground land and the gathered waters he called seas and god saw it was good

00:36:06.580 now this i do not see as disconfirming or affirming this appears to be talking about

00:36:13.120 actual water on earth and the creation of dry land we know yeah because they switched from

00:36:19.200 water to seas which also implies to me that when they are referring to water they're referring to

00:36:23.540 something that is not water yeah because they could have just had the oceans here to be talking

00:36:28.860 about something that is similar to the water that we're talking about before but like here i take it

00:36:33.560 is this is where we transition to talking about what you and i talk about as water okay and again

00:36:38.860 not seeing any problems here so far right because again god doesn't need to if we assume that like

00:36:44.080 god striking somebody with lightning is still god doing it even if it's done through a natural

00:36:47.700 process, water forming on earth's surface, water building the water cycle on earth's surface,

00:36:54.760 dry land appearing on earth's surface, all of these things could be described as God doing it

00:36:59.660 in just the same way, right? So nothing particularly affirms a scientific, disaffirms

00:37:04.180 a scientific understanding here. Then we have, then God said, let the land produce vegetation,

00:37:10.160 seed bearing plants and trees on the land bear fruit with seed in it according to the various

00:37:14.500 kinds and it was so the land produced vegetation plants bearing seed according to their kinds and

00:37:20.900 trees bearing fruit with seed in accordance with their kind and god saw it was good and there was

00:37:26.180 evening and there was morning the third day now this is actually one of the worst parts for this

00:37:32.760 which i think would surprise a lot of people that this is one of the most out of line with our

00:37:38.160 actual understanding of geological history because of the evening and morning part no no because we

00:37:43.020 like like plants are a fairly modern evolutionary adaptation oh interesting unless they're by seed

00:37:50.320 bearing they're just referring to other forms of can reproduce so first you caught it the word

00:37:56.200 used for fruit here does not mean literal fruit in the way that we mean fruit it appears that that

00:38:01.400 is the way that this was conveyed to people 10 000 years ago they likely thought it exclusively

00:38:07.680 meant like what we consider and eat as fruit like god's preparing the world for mankind's

00:38:12.540 habitation there were no other words for like capable of reproduction or self-reproducing or

00:38:17.920 whatever yeah yeah but the the actual wording here can mean basically any form of reproduction where

00:38:24.780 there's some form of like edible side product and i would even go further and to say that this could

00:38:32.860 be taken to more allegorically to describe the beginning of the life cycle you're talking about

00:38:38.360 when i see vegetation being talked about here there is no way they could have said pre-animal

00:38:45.080 microbial life right like you simply aren't going to get that recorded in a 10 000 year old document

00:38:50.200 okay so you're trying to explain pre-animal microbial life to people 10 000 years ago exactly

00:38:59.060 it's kind of like vegetation it it has fruiting bodies which is what we still call parts of like

00:39:07.460 the budding process was early microbial life it's like somebody's coming to me and they're like oh 1.00

00:39:13.360 this is clearly not supernaturally inspired because the cave jews didn't write a single 1.00

00:39:19.680 cellular microbial life and early self-replicating rna like structures like how would they even 0.99

00:39:27.120 conceptually have done that that's a literally insane level of requirement so i'm okay with that

00:39:35.820 and i would also even go so far as to say that this to me indicates that something like a

00:39:42.180 vegetation or something like seed seeds may exist earlier in the evolutionary timeline than we

00:39:49.060 actually think it does that could be interesting i'm going to put into this right but i really i

00:39:54.220 don't know like in terms of my reading when we come back to language and the limitations of

00:39:58.260 language at the time and other things that you read in the bible you know about the way that

00:40:03.440 seed is described like spilled seed etc like humans don't have seeds do we yeah that's a good

00:40:11.080 point yeah so i'm really not reading this too literally when it's like oh but there were

00:40:15.620 technically seeds yeah no seed was actually like reproductive capabilities the intentional mention

00:40:21.840 okay so if we take plants to mean like early microbial life right like that's what you're

00:40:25.480 trying to describe yeah and the explicit mean measuring of seed bearing microbial life right

00:40:32.960 that could bear fruit with seed in it that could be describing the evolution of sexuality

00:40:38.640 which would fit right here on the sexual the the evolutionary timeline yeah and it would probably

00:40:43.740 be the closest way you could and it's a very important evolutionary leap probably 100 yeah

00:40:49.040 next to the evolution of intelligence i'd say sexuality and intelligence are the two biggest

00:40:54.160 evolutionary leaps we're aware of yeah in terms of how how they affect the evolutionary timeline

00:40:58.660 intelligence basically allows you to evolve ideas faster than you can die sexuality allows

00:41:02.840 you to remix genes and choose genetically fit individuals to have way way way more offspring

00:41:08.340 than they would otherwise have and it is a hugely important happened at around this time that's what

00:41:13.880 i think that this is um okay great all right all right so that's even affirming there we go

00:41:19.760 note here if this is talking about the evolution of sexuality that then definitely didn't happen

00:41:26.180 before the collision that created the moon um so we have to guess that when the uh the stars in the

00:41:34.340 sky and the sun and the the uh moon being created in terms of a night and day cycle on earth is

00:41:41.520 talked about as having after this it must mean an unobscured sky because there were periods of

00:41:48.920 history uh going uh after that where you still had an obscured sky during periods long periods

00:41:56.420 like uh eons of rain for example certain periods of earth history okay the next and god said

00:42:03.980 let the water team with living creatures and let birds fly above the earth and across the vault of

00:42:09.300 the sky and note here like birds are clearly this is one that really gets me where some

00:42:14.820 biblical literalist will say okay well the sky vault clearly like outer space exists right so

00:42:22.640 the sky vault is not referring to just like the sky in the way like ancient people 10 000 years

00:42:29.900 ago meant it like we're meant to take this literally except when he talks about birds here

00:42:34.880 he he talks about them in the context of flying across the vault of the sky right so the birds

00:42:42.140 are on the same plane as the sky vault which is why i think our interpretation of this is more

00:42:46.140 accurate we're to say like how would you communicate this to somebody 10 000 years ago but anyway and

00:42:51.260 then god said let the water team with living creatures let the birds fly above and across

00:42:55.240 the sky so god created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water

00:43:00.860 teams and moves about according to their kinds and every winged bird according to its kind and god

00:43:06.540 saw that it was good god blessed him and said be fruitful and increase your number and fill the

00:43:11.320 water in the seas and let the birds increase on earth and there was evening and that was the

00:43:16.500 morning of the fifth day now this particular passage gets like heavily bastardized to try to

00:43:22.960 argue for a sunday school like they literally basically removed a really important line for

00:43:29.640 this because they were embarrassed about it even though it actually so they i'll show you where the

00:43:36.780 line was removed so god created the great creatures of the sea that is not that is not what it says

00:43:44.760 at all that's not what it says i mean you could interpret it that way if you were trying to in

00:43:49.700 the same way that in the king james version they translate this word to mean whales because whales

00:43:54.500 was the biggest thing they were aware of at the time that lived in the sea but that isn't what

00:43:59.080 the word would come close to traditionally meaning in hebrew so let's go into this to go into one

00:44:04.860 they say fish then birds right well fish and something and then birds and we'll go into what's

00:44:11.320 what's the thing that they said existed alongside and not just fish things in the sea this is really

00:44:15.720 interesting right because they could have said fish right which would have been evolutionarily

00:44:20.420 wrong but instead what they say is the creatures of the sea that's an interesting way to put

00:44:27.600 something if you're looking at like a cambrian explosion or something like that after the

00:44:31.280 evolutionary of sexuality but okay let's let's see what's actually said in this line because this

00:44:36.400 line is i think really cool and really affirming to me that there was some divine inspiration here

00:44:41.520 so and god created the great tandem and every living creature which moves which the waters

00:44:48.160 swarmed according to their kinds and every winged bird so we need to make a few notes here all right

00:44:54.780 So it first says, God created the great tanum.

00:44:57.180 This is what is often interpreted as sea leviacins, right?

00:45:02.240 In some older interpretations of texts.

00:45:05.600 But that is not what it means in Hebrew.

00:45:08.340 So we'll go into what it means in Hebrew.

00:45:09.900 And I also want to point something out here, which often people get wrong, is note the

00:45:13.980 construction of this sentence.

00:45:15.180 And this is also true in Hebrew, which we'll get to.

00:45:17.640 It says, nowhere in this sentence that the tanum live in the sea.

00:45:21.400 it says nowhere in this sentence that they are an exclusively aquatic creature it says and god

00:45:26.420 created the great tanum and every living creature which moves in the waters and swarmed across

00:45:33.020 according to their cons oh the tanum are something different from what's in the sea um so let's

00:45:41.080 continue here the relative clause which the waters swarmed grammatically modifies living

00:45:48.780 creatures that move, the tannum are introduced first with their own direct object marker.

00:45:54.600 They're connected by and to the rest. In biblical Hebrew, the relative cause introduced by blank

00:46:00.940 normally modifies the nearest preceding noun or noun phase that it logically could describe.

00:46:10.080 Here, the nearest phrase is every living creature that moves. The tannums sit before that and thus

00:46:16.680 are clearly not modified by the phrase purely aquatic and note here this gets interesting

00:46:22.760 because what could tannin be like what is it generally used to talk about in hebrew right

00:46:31.660 actually it is typically used to talk about dragons oh sea monsters oh crocodiles

00:46:39.120 are long just large reptilian animals yeah but not necessarily reptiles because they could have

00:46:46.660 said reptiles they had a word for reptiles they didn't say reptiles no dinosaurs are not reptiles

00:46:52.780 okay they said something that is large and reptile like kind of like a dragon existed

00:47:01.580 after the explosion of life within the sea or along the same timeline as life within the sea

00:47:08.920 before birds huh well that would work yes that's pretty cool that is pretty cool um by the way

00:47:22.680 if you're wondering ezekiel 29 uh 3 and 32 2 is where they refer to crocodiles and large river

00:47:29.340 sea serpents and then for mystical monsters you see in isaiah 27 1 and plasms 24 13 and this

00:47:37.180 reminds me of like alms what i saw i don't speak these foreign tongues that's you're trying to get

00:47:44.100 me to speak like a jew okay and i'm not gonna do that all right the parcel tongue simone um but so

00:47:50.600 what i bet loads of people here can do it no they can't it's not a very common gift harry

00:47:56.700 this is bad i heard you speaking partial tongue snake language i spoke a different language

00:48:04.500 but i didn't realize they end up this is how they get you they get you with their words

00:48:14.280 saying it's bible talk and it is bible talk but you've got to be careful right i'm joking here

00:48:20.520 by the way people obviously everything i'm analyzing here is relevant in both a christian

00:48:24.960 and jewish context because they both have this same book so both would be equally affirmed if

00:48:30.540 there was any proof that this book did have a degree of divine inspiration and again if you

00:48:35.800 want to get into our thoughts on judaism see the question that breaks judaism where we go way into

00:48:39.100 like why we actually thought about converting to judaism you can see in some of our earlier videos

00:48:43.020 but like as i dug into it i just decided no like i'm i'm i find christianity more compelling when

00:48:50.240 i look at the evidence we're also a little too asocial hikigomori for for judaism well yeah and

00:48:56.920 i also said like even if i converted to judaism i'd be a misnognom jew this is a jew that doesn't

00:49:02.820 believe that kabbalah should be widely talked and is against the hasidics oh totally that would 0.52

00:49:06.480 immediately put me on the outs with like the misogna basically lost the jewish culture war 0.91

00:49:12.040 a generation ago right two generations ago so there's there's no like also christ seems to have

00:49:19.420 obviously been the messiah sorry i just have to go this is a whole different thing you can see

00:49:24.240 question that breaks Judaism, if you want to get into that, it actually becomes sort of absurd to

00:49:29.300 think that Jesus wasn't obviously the Messiah when you look at everything in context. Don't mean to

00:49:33.480 offend our Jewish listeners on this one, but yeah, that's not for this episode. But what's really

00:49:38.300 interesting about this word teninimum is in various times, people have attempted to retranslate it

00:49:45.120 than to mean something other than what it literally means. And every time they have

00:49:50.680 removed something that would authenticate the truth of the bible right they've tried to change

00:49:55.740 it to whales when it clearly doesn't mean whales anywhere else they have tried to change it to

00:50:01.260 just large sea animals but when it clearly doesn't mean just large sea animals anywhere else

00:50:07.860 it means a large reptilian like animal that is not specifically a reptile i really could that to me

00:50:17.500 it's just sort of shocking how spot on that is but anyway to continue here oh by the way fun side

00:50:22.580 note that came from one of our fans that some people will like regarding biblical animal timeline

00:50:27.000 there's a fun side note about the word used to describe the creation of each group the most they

00:50:32.320 mostly use the same verb but there are two that use a different verb man and the ten minimum the

00:50:39.040 king james version translates the latter as whales presumably because giant sea predators

00:50:43.860 with the only point of reference for them but apparently in hebrew it was more reptilian

00:50:48.560 connotation they say which is true okay but what he's saying is that there is enough linguistic

00:50:54.280 wiggle room to argue that god had a special plan for giant reptiles and now he's wondering if there

00:50:59.900 was a dinosaur bible somewhere where is the lost dinosaur bible i want i want it well there's

00:51:05.740 actually a theory that there could have been a dinosaur civilization as big as our own and like

00:51:09.860 we just wouldn't have any evidence of it if you look at how quickly like our own civilization

00:51:13.960 would dissolve into the time record if like we just stopped existing right now and so we don't

00:51:20.340 know that there wasn't a large dinosaur civilization that lasted maybe only 300 400 years

00:51:26.100 god's fail son the dinosaurs right okay to continue here and then god said let the land

00:51:36.960 produced living creatures according to their kinds, the livestock, the creatures that move

00:51:40.540 along the ground, the wild animals, each according to its kind. And it was so. God made the wild

00:51:44.900 animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures

00:51:48.140 that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. So what

00:51:52.720 you're going to know in this is you can say, well, it's saying all land animals came after things

00:51:58.780 like birds and dinosaurs, which is like clearly not true, right? Like people would be like,

00:52:02.560 there were some land animals before that. And I'm going to say, yeah, but you have to consider

00:52:06.840 the context god is talking to people 10 000 years ago and he's saying all of these things that you

00:52:14.160 see that you consider animals like your livestock animals which are clearly referenced here all of

00:52:19.200 these came after the dinosaurs the fish and the birds which is true almost every land animal the

00:52:28.240 ancient hebrews would have been aware of evolved after dinosaurs and birds evolved

00:52:34.320 yeah yeah so he's right from an evolutionary timeline perspective absolutely still all tracks 0.87

00:52:43.600 um not no lie detected here which again is astonishing for something this old yeah well

00:52:50.640 and especially considering this is not some universal folk belief this this didn't exist

00:52:54.800 with other really old folkloric traditions or yeah if it was a universal or common folk belief

00:53:01.040 I would have a totally different perspective on this.

00:53:02.780 Yes.

00:53:09.660 And when AI goes over this, it'll always hedge and be like,

00:53:12.820 well, he's overstating just how much other religious beliefs,

00:53:17.500 or there's no other religious belief or traditional story

00:53:20.420 about how the world was formed that comes close

00:53:23.260 to a scientific, ordered understanding that we have today.

00:53:28.400 And then I always tell the AI, okay, find one.

00:53:30.800 and i'm gonna give you wiggle room find one that comes one tenth as close find one that comes one

00:53:36.820 fifth as close um ai can't find one because there just isn't one this is really quite unique and if

00:53:44.560 this story wasn't the white people story everyone would be freaking out about the random tribe of

00:53:50.700 wherever that has a creation story that almost exactly mirrors the evolutionary and historic

00:53:56.660 timeline we're aware of okay then god said let us make mankind in our image in our likeness

00:54:03.580 so that they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky and over the livestock

00:54:07.680 and over all animals and over all the creatures that move along the ground so god created mankind

00:54:12.920 in his own image in the image of god he created them male and female he created them just a

00:54:17.880 techno puritan side note here this really only relevant for our interpretation of this story

00:54:21.760 But the word created here, right here, could be, in Biblical Hebrew, you have something called the perfect conjuration or the quadal form of verbs, the same type used and created in Genesis 127.

00:54:34.720 It can describe future events, especially in prophetic contexts.

00:54:38.420 This is often called the prophetic perfect.

00:54:40.920 Hebrew verbs focus more on aspect completed versus ongoing actions in strict timeline, past, present, future.

00:54:46.780 The quadril perfect form views as an action as a whole completed from the speaker's perspective in prophecy, a future event that is so certain because God has decreed that it will happen.

00:54:58.400 So you can look at something like Isaiah 53, where he says he was wounded and you get this conjuration for our transgressions.

00:55:05.480 He was bruised for our inequities, written centuries before Jesus.

00:55:09.220 And yet it's written as in this future perfect form.

00:55:12.920 then you have things like isaiah 5 13 numbers 24 17 where you get a similar conjuration here

00:55:20.440 a lot of people don't care about this this isn't necessary for most people as they understand this

00:55:24.220 story you mean conjugation you mean conjugation yeah conjugation what did i say conjuration but

00:55:30.500 i get what you i mean because you're sort of describing the godlike conjuring that's super

00:55:34.480 i had never heard of that before that's fascinating the whole new can be read is just

00:55:38.360 in the past tense if you want to but it doesn't have to be read in the past tense the way hebrew

00:55:43.440 is constructed it can be taken as something that is an ongoing process god is creating mankind in

00:55:49.680 his image which is our so cool i like that much more that is being laid out of the prophecy here

00:55:55.340 now if we're going to go into are you about to do your call i can get this done before the call

00:56:00.040 do i want to go into this well we go over a lot of this in the other track but i can just

00:56:08.280 quickly go into this this is a track they're not even the track the one where we go over the Adam

00:56:12.140 and Eve story or I think it might be a track we go over souls and stuff like this but the key

00:56:16.660 feature of the phrase where God is breathing life into man I mean this is in the second story 0.95

00:56:21.240 because you know it would be like didn't God breathe life into man they use the term nefesh

00:56:26.080 here which generally does not mean a disembodied soul or anything like that it sort of means

00:56:32.460 to animate a living creature um so it's basically like there was inanimate dirt right and then

00:56:39.820 through a plan again i've pointed out that the word here can be translated as plan not form so

00:56:44.460 god through a plan animated the dirt with this word nefesh and so if you see the

00:56:52.980 turn here man does not have a nefesh man is a nefesh in the way that the the story is constructed

00:57:01.200 here and it means a living creature a being or person and so if we look at other places like

00:57:09.420 where it's used we see it used throughout like as god is is is giving other creatures their life we

00:57:18.220 see similar words being used here to nefesh so this isn't like a unique human soul unless you're

00:57:23.900 saying that he's giving souls to all of the other animals in these particular scenes here and it's

00:57:29.180 It's very clear because it first appears in the animals in chapter one, and then it's deliberately reused for humans in 2.7.

00:57:35.560 Like this, this is not a coincidence.

00:57:37.420 This is not a mistake on the original authors, which is actually kind of weird.

00:57:40.300 And we also see the same word used with something like Jeremiah 15.9. 0.96

00:57:44.300 She breathed out her nefesh, her life, right? 0.96

00:57:47.280 So it's basically like the dress. 1.00

00:57:48.340 When it leaves you, you die.

00:57:49.880 And this, again, gets to one of the lines that we find to be very important from the Bible, just sort of as a closing here.

00:57:54.900 This is Ecclesiastes 3.18.19.

00:57:56.600 if i have any line from the bible that's like my favorite line as for humans god tests them

00:58:00.920 so that they may see that they are like the animals surely the fate of human beings is that

00:58:05.780 of the animals the same fate awaits them both as one dies so does the other all have the same

00:58:10.880 breath humans have no advantage over animals everything is meaningless and the word used

00:58:15.940 for all have the same breath here do you want to know where that word is used in genesis where

00:58:21.720 it's the word that is translated as spirit in the phrase the spirit of god was hovering over

00:58:31.880 the waters so the same breath that the animals have that the humans have is used to describe

00:58:39.320 the animating force of god in opposition to the formless darkness that existed at the beginning

00:58:47.100 of time and that was in constant movement when you have the word hovering here and a lot of people

00:58:52.680 we go into that ecclesiastes line a lot more in some of our tracks if you're interested it's it's

00:58:57.580 very clear about what it means because it goes over a series of things where it goes over like

00:59:01.700 hubristic things that people think and then it contrasts them with what is actually true and this

00:59:06.880 is one of the it starts with the hubristic what man thinks that man is completely separate from

00:59:12.240 this world. And then it says, but man is tested. And you see this framing over and over again in

00:59:17.220 this section. Like it's not vague that this is meant to be a, no, you really are tested to see

00:59:24.140 if you are so arrogant as to think that you are truly distinct from the natural world and from

00:59:29.400 animals, which we then take into this reading here of Genesis. So again, spicy episode by us,

00:59:35.580 I guess I'll put it in our religious stuff. It's not that spicy compared to our other ones.

00:59:38.660 i love it i love it i i just i remember like really thinking huh when i was reading genesis

00:59:45.420 and going into it in greater depth with you so much fun i have to run go i love you i love you

00:59:52.240 too bye gorgeous bye all right i'm hitting record oh you beat me to it all right i'll just get

01:00:01.280 you're here. Yeah, I've been

01:00:03.320 looking forward to this all day, so thank you.

01:00:08.200 Yeah, look at that.

01:00:09.080 Blue ocean right here.

01:00:11.260 Blue ocean? Yeah, blue ocean

01:00:13.380 right here. You think so?

01:00:16.380 Look, I'm floating.

01:00:17.940 Yeah, you are.

01:00:21.180 Off you go.

Based Camp - May 26, 2026

How Evolution Proves the Bible

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