Based Camp - How Hippies Became Republicans (Did Our Two Parties Switch Sides？)

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. We are excited to be doing an episode today on hippies being Republican now. 0.93

00:00:07.460 This is a really laid back place.

00:00:09.600 Oh, wow. You guys shouldn't be doing that. Don't you know what you're doing to the world?

00:00:13.640 You're playing into the corporate game.

00:00:15.820 See, the corporations are trying to turn you into little Eichmanns so that they can make money.

00:00:20.280 Who are the corporations?

00:00:21.740 The corporations run the entire world and now they fooled you into working for them.

00:00:26.560 Are you serious? We never heard that.

00:00:28.220 The government is using its corporate ties to make you sell magazines so they can get rich. 1.00

00:00:32.760 Those dirty liars! 1.00

00:00:34.480 This is a really nice town you have here. That's why the corporations are trying to use you to take it down. 1.00

00:00:40.120 Just hang with us for a bit. We'll fill you in on everything you haven't been told.

00:00:44.460 It is wild how we have met this exact archetype of person and had these exact conversations

00:00:51.140 that South Park used to use as the stereotype of what was annoying about hippies

00:00:56.400 at a number of Republican conferences this year.

00:01:00.360 Would you like to know more?

00:01:01.440 We have been to a number of Republican conferences this year.

00:01:05.340 I'm going to break them down into really three major ones.

00:01:09.000 ARC, which was of UK Republican elites.

00:01:12.200 Observative.

00:01:12.660 Yeah.

00:01:12.820 Yeah.

00:01:13.400 Then there was the one in New Hampshire that was for libertarians.

00:01:17.680 And then there was the one that was for the new underground sort of dissonant right group,

00:01:24.160 which was replatformed.

00:01:25.780 So what was really interesting is, yes, the hoity-toity UK one didn't have this hippie class as much.

00:01:33.840 It definitely had a portion of them.

00:01:35.660 But the other two were just pure.

00:01:40.320 Like most of the lines I would see in this South Park making fun of hippie attitudes,

00:01:45.920 we saw in this environment.

00:01:49.140 So if I'm going to go over some, one is the globalist theory, I guess I'd call it,

00:01:54.660 which is to say that there are a number of elites who run large companies

00:01:59.780 and ostensibly run world politics and the globe

00:02:04.320 and that you are playing into their hand if you go get a normal nine-to-five bureaucratic job

00:02:12.020 and that this group has a secret agenda, which is just to use you for your labor. 0.97

00:02:18.600 And then in the episode, you might have noticed,

00:02:20.140 oh, they've come to your town because you have this nice small town and they want to ruin it.

00:02:23.900 So not only that, but that they disproportionately target nice, healthy communities,

00:02:28.720 which is definitely something you often see in these circles,

00:02:31.880 and that a lot of people in the world are brainwashed

00:02:34.740 and that if you just hang out with them in their sociological and ideological bubble,

00:02:39.180 that's how you get out of this brainwashing.

00:02:42.000 And another thing that I think is really interesting is the mood and the vibe from the hippies,

00:02:47.180 especially this era of hippies as depicted by South Park,

00:02:50.540 is much more similar to Republican conferences and stuff I've gone to than Democrat ones.

00:02:56.480 With Democrat ones, it is very gatekeepy.

00:03:00.260 When you enter a community, they want to make sure that you are the right kind of person

00:03:04.440 with the right kind of ideas.

00:03:06.440 Where at most of the Republican conferences, it's more of a,

00:03:10.880 I'm eager to share with you the theory I have about how the world works,

00:03:14.640 or basically a conspiracy.

00:03:16.540 Yeah, very much like in the clip, like you got to know, don't you understand?

00:03:21.260 Yeah, like they're trying to turn you into tools of the corporation, man.

00:03:24.480 Yeah, they're trying to save you from something that they think is harmful.

00:03:29.080 And then the second clip, I'll play it here, which I think is pretty elucidating.

00:03:33.140 Right now we're proving we don't need corporations.

00:03:36.140 We don't need money.

00:03:37.780 This can become a commune where everyone just helps each other.

00:03:40.680 Yeah, we have one guy who like makes bread,

00:03:43.880 and one guy who like looks out for other people's safety.

00:03:47.240 You mean like a baker and a cop?

00:03:48.400 Like, no, no, can't you imagine a place where people live together

00:03:51.860 and like provide services for each other in exchange for their services?

00:03:57.640 Yeah, it's called a town.

00:03:59.540 You kids just haven't been to college yet.

00:04:01.780 But just you wait, this thing is about to get huge.

00:04:05.240 So in this clip, a misunderstanding of economic systems

00:04:09.220 and a belief that the economic systems we have now exist just to screw over people

00:04:15.480 and that through essentially rebuilding these systems,

00:04:20.020 we can have something that works.

00:04:22.480 Now, this isn't as pure within Republican circles as it was within.

00:04:26.680 This isn't as pure an analogy to the older hippie movement

00:04:29.100 because these groups often want to move to,

00:04:33.180 I mentioned to Simone at the Libertarian event,

00:04:36.080 who paid me was like a gold slip of paper and-

00:04:39.200 Literally a laminated piece of gold leaf, if I understand correctly.

00:04:43.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:44.080 Where they are trying to reprint currency,

00:04:47.560 like recreate currency,

00:04:48.840 but I guess have it be backed by something is the idea.

00:04:52.400 Just literally paying with gold.

00:04:54.600 Yeah, but the gold in it isn't worth the price of the currency.

00:04:58.200 They inflate the price of the currency.

00:05:00.240 Oh, I see.

00:05:00.880 Okay, okay.

00:05:01.620 Everything like that.

00:05:02.180 It's just any gold-backed currency.

00:05:03.340 It's not even, it's just a currency again.

00:05:06.400 That's what they've done is they've recreated currency.

00:05:08.740 The gold standard.

00:05:10.360 No, it's not the gold standard

00:05:12.000 because the gold standard was,

00:05:13.740 it was pinned to the price of gold.

00:05:15.700 Yeah.

00:05:15.920 It is pinned under the price of gold

00:05:18.200 so that they can make a margin off of selling the currency.

00:05:22.180 Oh, I get it.

00:05:22.960 I see what you're saying.

00:05:23.960 Okay.

00:05:24.320 Okay.

00:05:25.000 So it's not the gold standard, no.

00:05:26.740 She's a little dense. 0.99

00:05:27.740 I'm sorry, Malcolm.

00:05:28.820 But why are we seeing these convergent beliefs?

00:05:33.600 How did this ideological system that is conspiratorially minded,

00:05:39.640 believes in a globalist conspiracy,

00:05:42.220 believes that the globalist conspiracy is disproportionately targeting

00:05:45.340 otherwise wholesome areas,

00:05:47.140 and believes that by working bureaucratic jobs,

00:05:49.400 you are serving that global conspiracy,

00:05:51.400 and that the world's economic system is in service to that global conspiracy,

00:05:55.280 or globalist conspiracy.

00:05:56.400 How did that move from being a democratic movement

00:06:00.160 to a predominantly republican movement?

00:06:04.160 All right.

00:06:04.360 I will give my assumption, my hypothesis, 0.99

00:06:07.800 and then you'll tell me why it's dumb. 0.98

00:06:09.880 Okay. 0.96

00:06:10.240 I think it's because ultimately the progressive movement,

00:06:14.460 Democrats, et cetera, were too successful.

00:06:16.700 And because they became so successful,

00:06:18.700 especially among college-educated elites,

00:06:20.900 and keep in mind a key punchline in these South Park clips is,

00:06:24.340 oh, you just haven't been to college yet.

00:06:25.720 You haven't been educated.

00:06:26.500 So we are talking about a group of people who went through institutions

00:06:31.200 and also became, well, commercially, financially successful

00:06:34.380 and influential within various institutions.

00:06:37.520 These people, they went to college,

00:06:38.980 and then they went on and they became lawyers,

00:06:40.920 government workers, policymakers, bureaucrats.

00:06:43.860 We have another podcast on this

00:06:45.620 where we discussed with Tracy Woodgrains

00:06:47.420 how the Republican Party is boned

00:06:49.860 because basically anyone who can implement policy within government

00:06:54.320 to be a bureaucrat, to be a legislator,

00:06:57.820 is probably someone who's gone through this university system

00:07:00.460 and become progressive.

00:07:01.860 So it's hard to find the talent you need to get things done as a Republican

00:07:05.100 if you are in a position of power or you have a mandate or a majority.

00:07:09.840 I think what happened is Democrats and progressives became too successful.

00:07:13.820 Then their mindset shifted away from this anti-establishment mindset

00:07:18.420 because they became the establishment.

00:07:21.420 Now, when I go to more progressive gatherings and meetings,

00:07:25.220 and when I remember the ones that I attended throughout my college years

00:07:29.360 when I was still very progressive and very Democrat,

00:07:31.540 it was all about we have to get the institutions to do this.

00:07:36.220 We have to get corporations to do this to execute better on our mandate.

00:07:40.220 We have to get governments to execute more effectively on our values.

00:07:45.100 And it wasn't you can't trust them, stay away from them.

00:07:47.740 They're trying to manipulate you.

00:07:49.080 We need to build an alternate system because they own the system. 0.98

00:07:53.740 That is an interesting point.

00:07:56.340 There is an element.

00:07:57.420 I think there is an element of truth to that world framework

00:08:00.560 A framing I would add to that world framework is that the parties flipped.

00:08:06.720 And a lot of people, American parties, flip all the time.

00:08:11.300 When?

00:08:11.820 Rarely.

00:08:12.820 A lot of people say that they flipped from when the Democrats went from being

00:08:16.760 a predominantly Southern party to a predominantly Northern party.

00:08:19.600 When the Democrats went from being seen as the party that was pro-civil rights

00:08:23.860 to the anti- went from anti-civil rights to pro-civil rights.

00:08:26.900 They went from being a party that was,

00:08:28.780 they just changed in a lot of ways.

00:08:30.980 Not in every way.

00:08:31.720 A lot of people get this wrong.

00:08:32.620 In the early 90s?

00:08:33.520 When?

00:08:33.920 When time-wise?

00:08:35.000 Claude's answer to this question is,

00:08:37.360 the general consensus among historians is that the Republican and Democratic parties

00:08:41.200 underwent a gradual ideological shift,

00:08:43.960 often referred to as the quote-unquote party realignment or party switch,

00:08:47.880 over the course of several decades in the 20th century,

00:08:50.560 particularly between the 1930s and 1960s.

00:08:53.500 One of the most significant turning points in this alignment occurred

00:08:56.280 during the presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt,

00:08:59.260 a Democrat.

00:08:59.960 Roosevelt's New Deal policies,

00:09:01.900 which expanded the role of federal government in addressing economic and social issues,

00:09:06.100 began attracting more liberal voters to the Democratic Party,

00:09:09.220 including many African Americans,

00:09:10.860 who previously supported the Republican Party since the Civil War era.

00:09:14.360 However,

00:09:14.700 the realignment process continued through the 1960s,

00:09:17.720 particularly during the presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson, also a Democrat.

00:09:21.440 Johnson's support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

00:09:25.380 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965

00:09:28.240 further solidified the Democratic Party's alignment with the Civil Rights Movement

00:09:32.500 and led to a backlash among many Southern white conservatives

00:09:35.140 who began shifting their support to the Republican Party.

00:09:38.160 It's important to note that this realignment was a complex and gradual process,

00:09:42.060 and there is no single president or event

00:09:44.700 that marks a definitive, quote-unquote, switch between the parties.

00:09:47.700 The ideological positions of both parties have continued to evolve since the 1960s.

00:09:53.000 I can add more specifics afterwards in editing, but...

00:09:55.940 Perfect.

00:09:56.340 Did you not study this in school?

00:09:58.560 No, dude.

00:09:59.200 They stopped right before the Vietnam War.

00:10:02.080 Basically after World War II, they were like, okay.

00:10:04.360 But anyway, the point being is when you point out to Democrats today

00:10:10.780 that they were the party of the Klan

00:10:13.360 and that they were the party of slavery,

00:10:16.500 they're like, don't you know that the party's flipped?

00:10:19.660 And it's important to understand what they mean when they say that.

00:10:22.260 They mean flipped on a few issues that allows them to disavow the tendencies

00:10:26.400 that have reconverged on racism within the party.

00:10:29.640 But when you go through party flips, historically speaking,

00:10:34.520 you don't actually flip everything.

00:10:36.700 You don't actually flip your whole constituency.

00:10:39.240 You don't actually flip every member.

00:10:41.600 You flip in a few key ways that then become really important

00:10:46.940 to the party identity, history, and narrative going forwards.

00:10:52.340 And this is where the confusion happens,

00:10:55.040 is there is a belief that when the pro-slavery party flipped

00:11:00.120 that it, do in part, and we need to say this,

00:11:04.920 in part to some civil rights issues,

00:11:06.960 that it became holistically the pro-civil rights party.

00:11:11.380 And this is just wrong and not aligned with historical reality.

00:11:18.080 The parties did not flip in every one of their beliefs.

00:11:21.200 They flipped in a few key beliefs.

00:11:23.680 In the era of Trump, we saw this again.

00:11:28.480 The parties flipped in a few key beliefs.

00:11:32.100 Wow, so there was a Trump flip that no one talks about.

00:11:35.160 They don't talk about it now, but they'll talk about it in history books.

00:11:37.660 A lot of people are like, oh, the left me.

00:11:40.660 You hear this line all the time,

00:11:42.980 where there's the famous comic of the guy standing in the middle,

00:11:45.720 and then the leftist is running away,

00:11:47.160 and now the center line is against him,

00:11:49.620 and he pushes the guy.

00:11:50.760 Or there was the one where the leftist guy pushes him,

00:11:53.740 and he's like, why are you standing over there on the right now?

00:11:56.240 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:57.240 And both of these, I think, cover a key idea,

00:12:01.000 which is a lot of people that identified part of their personality

00:12:04.940 was a liberalist framing of reality,

00:12:07.740 that people should be allowed to live and let live,

00:12:11.220 that we shouldn't have any sort of racial hierarchy within this country,

00:12:14.440 that people should be allowed to practice their own beliefs at home,

00:12:18.080 so long as it wasn't hurting anyone else.

00:12:20.440 They identified these beliefs with the Democratic Party,

00:12:24.820 and yet these beliefs are now really not at all

00:12:28.460 on the Democratic side in terms of policy

00:12:30.360 and sort of key Republican events,

00:12:33.680 belief systems in the post-Trump era.

00:12:35.820 And they don't know how to deal with this.

00:12:38.140 Like, the media doesn't know how to deal with this.

00:12:39.640 The media will lie to people

00:12:40.740 and pretend that there's like these big racist Trump factions,

00:12:43.060 which we've pointed out is just not really true.

00:12:44.980 And I will say this statistic until the cows come home.

00:12:48.300 By 538 polling, buy and eat silver,

00:12:49.920 a mainstream polling organization,

00:12:51.500 more white Democrats than white Republicans 0.60

00:12:53.240 that they wouldn't vote for a black president 0.99

00:12:54.860 until Obama was elected.

00:12:57.680 This shows that the Dems never really fully stopped

00:13:00.880 being the party of the Klan.

00:13:02.520 And what happened is the media decided that they were Democrat,

00:13:07.340 decided that racism was bad,

00:13:09.280 and so they began to weave a narrative

00:13:12.880 that many in the public bought

00:13:14.760 that the Dems had stopped being the party of the Klan.

00:13:17.940 And a lot of, whether you're looking at base or policy,

00:13:21.600 isn't really reflected in how these parties govern.

00:13:24.640 So a great example here that I always point out

00:13:26.820 is Republicans, up until Trump,

00:13:29.900 were not the party of small government.

00:13:32.160 They said they were the party of small government,

00:13:34.200 but they were not the party of small government.

00:13:36.840 And so let's talk about the things that's flipped

00:13:39.220 during the Trump era.

00:13:40.280 You had the Republicans become a much more dovish party

00:13:44.300 and the Democrats becoming a much more hawkish party.

00:13:46.920 This used to be the antithesis.

00:13:49.120 And this is a major foreign policy flip.

00:13:51.120 I wouldn't say dovish.

00:13:52.240 I would say isolationist, but yes, I agree.

00:13:54.540 It's the same thing.

00:13:55.280 But yeah, that's what the Democrats used to be.

00:13:56.900 It was, you shouldn't be the world police.

00:13:58.960 That was the Dems always complained about 0.83

00:14:00.500 during the Bush era.

00:14:01.460 Yeah, but it was more from the place of like,

00:14:03.480 how dare we commit these atrocities

00:14:05.300 and tell other people how to govern their countries

00:14:07.660 instead of, I don't want my tax dollars going to that.

00:14:11.440 It was, we shouldn't try to be the world police.

00:14:14.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:15.920 Okay, and Dems now explicitly believe

00:14:18.040 we should try to be the world police.

00:14:20.540 Now, the other thing-

00:14:21.580 Unless it comes to helping Israel. 0.52

00:14:23.760 No, they think that we should put our thumb

00:14:25.920 on the side of Gaza.

00:14:27.460 They think that we should assist Gaza.

00:14:29.240 Actively help Gaza?

00:14:29.720 We should be okay if we run together, Misuzu.

00:14:32.180 Of course I will.

00:14:33.360 Because you and I are via this, does she mean?

00:14:37.260 Let go of me. 1.00

00:14:38.820 Damn it, bitch, I said let go of me. 1.00

00:14:43.020 No. 1.00

00:14:45.480 What do you think that they're protesting for

00:14:47.360 when they say from River to Sea

00:14:48.720 and they're protesting in university?

00:14:50.260 Do you think Gaza's gonna get the Israelis off the land? 0.98

00:14:53.320 No, they're talking about us. 1.00

00:14:54.580 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:14:55.380 I think that people don't understand how crazy 1.00

00:14:58.140 the people who actually control leftist policy have gone.

00:15:01.440 But anyway, sorry, we have to go back here.

00:15:03.220 So that was one thing that flipped.

00:15:05.480 Another thing that flipped was protectionism

00:15:08.220 versus free trade.

00:15:10.140 Republicans were classically the party of free trade.

00:15:13.080 And Democrats were classically the party of protectionism.

00:15:16.060 That completely flipped.

00:15:18.200 Other was, which was the party-

00:15:20.080 In some ways, right?

00:15:20.960 Because Democrats are still super pro-union.

00:15:22.980 And I see that as an inherently protectionist policy.

00:15:26.780 But now, as we discussed with Svi

00:15:29.260 when we were talking about the shipping policy

00:15:31.280 that the Jones Act that now keeps me up at night,

00:15:34.540 there are so many globalist default democratic policies

00:15:39.340 that ultimately hurt unions

00:15:42.200 and they run counter to progressive values,

00:15:44.980 which is really interesting.

00:15:46.280 Yeah, and another is,

00:15:47.340 which was the party that was about enforcing a set,

00:15:51.320 the dominant cultural system in the country's values

00:15:54.540 on other people without their consent.

00:15:58.160 Cultural supremacists, yeah.

00:15:59.600 So you can take something like gender identity, right?

00:16:03.200 So historically, the Republican Party

00:16:06.360 was about enforcing the dominant cultural group

00:16:09.540 in the country.

00:16:10.080 This was the Christian cultural framework.

00:16:12.600 Beliefs around things like gender and sexuality

00:16:14.720 through the school system, through laws.

00:16:17.920 And now you have the opposite happening

00:16:19.860 where because the dominant cultural system

00:16:22.000 has changed to the urban monoculture,

00:16:24.120 and that's the culture that's represented

00:16:25.380 in the Democratic Party,

00:16:26.860 they will do things like say,

00:16:28.520 if your kid doesn't conform to the way

00:16:32.160 that your culture sees gender,

00:16:34.460 then we get to take that kid from you.

00:16:36.240 That's a CPS offense.

00:16:38.860 This never would have happened in a historic context.

00:16:41.580 Dems would never say that it is our job

00:16:43.620 to police the way another family

00:16:46.260 sees something like gender or sexuality

00:16:49.500 or police what other people are doing

00:16:52.180 in their bedrooms. 0.99

00:16:53.420 And yet now you have these ridiculous ideas 0.96

00:16:55.440 among Democrats, 0.99

00:16:56.280 like that a person can revoke consent after sex.

00:16:59.040 Is there anything more policing of bedrooms?

00:17:01.360 It's saying that our social norms around sex

00:17:04.540 apply even post facto,

00:17:07.740 within a legal context,

00:17:10.000 which is insane.

00:17:11.000 This is never the way Dems were historically.

00:17:13.620 And I think that just as much as many Dems

00:17:18.900 feel bewildered as the parties have switched positions,

00:17:22.100 we also see some Republicans feel equally bewildered 0.97

00:17:25.860 and acting, I'd say, pathetically. 0.60

00:17:28.080 There was one well-known podcaster 0.80

00:17:30.100 who was looking at doing something with them,

00:17:31.860 but they just have an extreme antagonism

00:17:34.120 towards us and our beliefs

00:17:35.580 because they see us as sort of

00:17:37.260 part of this previously Democratic faction

00:17:40.760 that is moved to the Republican side of things.

00:17:44.320 And they're like,

00:17:45.360 but they don't represent our old values

00:17:48.040 and they're polluting the Republican Party

00:17:50.140 with this value system.

00:17:52.860 And what they mean by that

00:17:55.020 is just like the Democrat

00:17:56.040 who doesn't realize the parties have flipped,

00:17:58.040 they don't realize the parties have flipped either.

00:18:00.920 And they're here thinking

00:18:02.480 that the Republicans' party's job

00:18:05.060 is to impose upon the population

00:18:08.260 a theocratic value system

00:18:10.600 that aligns with their interpretation of Christianity.

00:18:14.540 And it's, I'm sorry,

00:18:16.100 one, most of the people who have this perspective

00:18:18.200 are Catholics

00:18:18.840 and Catholics were actually always on the outs.

00:18:22.540 Like when my family was fighting the Klan,

00:18:24.480 one of the main reasons we were fighting them

00:18:26.120 was because we had Catholic friends

00:18:27.640 who we wanted to protect.

00:18:28.700 Like the Catholics were never 1.00

00:18:31.000 an accepted theological framework

00:18:33.620 when Christians were the dominant group.

00:18:35.600 I guess maybe for a brief period

00:18:37.300 in like the 90s, but not really.

00:18:39.740 So one, they're fighting for a fantasy in the past

00:18:42.100 that didn't really exist.

00:18:43.140 If we went back to those time periods

00:18:44.700 where the dominant cultural form of Christianity

00:18:47.420 was being enforced,

00:18:48.900 it would have been being enforced

00:18:50.540 in a way that was detrimental to their kids.

00:18:53.360 But in addition to that,

00:18:55.720 it, like no Christian group in this country, 1.00

00:19:00.340 no theological group in this country

00:19:01.860 has enough voting power anymore

00:19:03.360 at the federal level to win elections.

00:19:07.220 The idea that they can enforce

00:19:09.820 their minority culture

00:19:11.580 on the mainstream population 1.00

00:19:13.340 is just as insane as like a Muslim America 1.00

00:19:16.700 trying to enact Sharia law in our country. 1.00

00:19:20.280 It doesn't make sense.

00:19:22.580 And this also gets me to something

00:19:23.640 that always just boils my blood

00:19:25.220 when people say America was created

00:19:27.620 as a Christian country

00:19:28.720 with a Christian value system.

00:19:30.500 I'm like, no,

00:19:32.080 it was created as a Calvinist country 0.67

00:19:33.940 with a Calvinist value system.

00:19:36.780 And then the Calvinists basically died off

00:19:39.140 due to low fertility rate.

00:19:40.600 And you, other Christian groups

00:19:42.560 with radically different value systems

00:19:45.240 came in like a hermit crab sizing up a shell

00:19:48.240 and then play this little shuffle game

00:19:51.720 where you go back and you're like,

00:19:53.000 look, they were technically Christians

00:19:54.700 at the founding of America.

00:19:56.020 And you can look at the heritage study.

00:19:57.660 A study titled, almost comically to prove my point,

00:20:00.620 did America have a Christian founding?

00:20:02.520 A lot of people don't know this.

00:20:03.760 It was something like 60, 75% or something

00:20:06.760 of white Americans during the founding of America,

00:20:10.440 especially the ones in positions of power

00:20:12.140 were disproportionately of the Calvinist cultural group.

00:20:14.740 And if they weren't of the Calvinist cultural group,

00:20:16.240 they were mostly like Quakers.

00:20:17.640 They were not the perspectives on Christianity

00:20:20.820 that people have today in America.

00:20:22.720 These have very different framings around things.

00:20:25.340 Probably one of the biggest,

00:20:26.660 which changes the way they act from a legal standpoint,

00:20:30.240 is the belief in predestination

00:20:32.880 and irresistible grace.

00:20:37.660 But both of which basically mean-

00:20:39.460 Not limited atonement.

00:20:40.960 I feel like limited atonement has a bigger policy.

00:20:43.060 Yeah, limited atonement as well.

00:20:44.540 But together, what it basically means

00:20:46.200 is the people who are going to go to heaven

00:20:48.540 have been pre-chosen to an extent.

00:20:50.840 So there isn't as much of a reason

00:20:52.460 to go out and proselytize.

00:20:54.280 And it's okay to live alongside Jews or Catholics 1.00

00:20:57.960 because they were born to go to hell. 0.98

00:21:00.380 There's no reason for you to really dislike their lifestyle.

00:21:03.260 It's much more important to focus on you

00:21:04.820 and your own community,

00:21:05.640 which makes them much more similar culturally

00:21:08.560 to like the way Jews are today, 1.00

00:21:10.240 where Jews might not go out 0.95

00:21:11.800 and try to impose their cultural value system.

00:21:14.200 And here are like Orthodox Jews, 1.00

00:21:15.540 not Reform Jews,

00:21:17.260 which are a totally different thing,

00:21:18.520 but like ultra-Orthodox Jews 0.86

00:21:20.080 are not out there trying to turn you

00:21:21.620 into an ultra-Orthodox Jew

00:21:22.980 because they just don't think

00:21:24.520 that you are meant to live correctly.

00:21:27.400 And what this means from a legal perspective

00:21:30.520 is that they set up a legal system

00:21:32.380 that was meant to be culturally pluralistic,

00:21:35.240 whereas what we would call

00:21:37.420 dominating cultural systems

00:21:39.100 that some of the more modern Christian systems are

00:21:41.360 that think that everyone is meant to convert.

00:21:43.680 And it's their job to convert everyone.

00:21:45.840 We have a very different view towards this.

00:21:48.360 And things like separation of church and state

00:21:50.820 can seem really weird to them.

00:21:53.060 And they're like,

00:21:53.500 they didn't mean separation of,

00:21:55.160 no, what they meant

00:21:56.280 was separation of every individual church and state.

00:21:59.140 Yeah, they didn't mean

00:21:59.800 that the state should be wholly secular.

00:22:01.820 What they meant is that

00:22:03.280 it shouldn't be any one denomination of Christian

00:22:06.000 in a time period

00:22:06.840 where the denominations of Christianity

00:22:08.140 were blindingly different from each other.

00:22:11.360 And they believed this

00:22:12.580 because they didn't believe as Calvinists

00:22:14.480 that they needed to go out

00:22:15.320 and convert the other denominations.

00:22:17.940 And Quakers felt largely the same way,

00:22:20.120 but for different reasons.

00:22:21.740 So this, I'm sorry,

00:22:24.040 that was a huge tangent there.

00:22:26.120 What it means is that there's this fantasy

00:22:28.820 among this part of the old holdout

00:22:31.860 of the conservative party

00:22:32.640 before you had this flip in cultural systems,

00:22:34.780 that they can realistically turn

00:22:39.460 the conservative party

00:22:40.600 into a system

00:22:43.280 for imposing their denomination

00:22:45.960 of Christianity's value system

00:22:48.000 on the country

00:22:49.160 in a legal in school system methodology.

00:22:51.760 And that's just not going to happen.

00:22:53.400 But that's a completely unrealistic vision

00:22:55.560 of what can be achieved

00:22:56.880 with the current demography of this country.

00:22:58.740 And keep in mind,

00:22:59.880 if you look at Gen Alpha,

00:23:01.080 they are becoming de-religious

00:23:02.320 at a much faster clip

00:23:03.580 than other generations.

00:23:04.780 Like they are losing right now.

00:23:06.820 Like it is getting worse for them

00:23:08.280 as time goes on, not better.

00:23:09.980 Okay, at least in the short run.

00:23:11.120 Eventually they'll come back,

00:23:12.180 as we pointed out,

00:23:12.780 with fertility rates

00:23:13.740 and everything like that.

00:23:14.440 But in the short run,

00:23:16.100 it's just not a winning play.

00:23:18.020 And so now let's talk about the hippies.

00:23:20.540 Where did they come?

00:23:21.520 Like where did the anti-globalists come from

00:23:24.220 and how did they find themselves

00:23:25.340 on the conservative side?

00:23:26.280 Or the anti-corporates

00:23:27.840 or the anti-whatever, right?

00:23:29.260 So it was two core events that happened.

00:23:31.400 One was the corporation

00:23:33.480 being ideologically captured

00:23:35.720 by the dominant cultural group in society,

00:23:38.260 which created these sort of memetic viruses,

00:23:41.520 as we've talked about them,

00:23:42.200 as transmissible cancers,

00:23:43.820 which is these DEI departments

00:23:45.260 that are meant to ensure

00:23:45.900 ideological conformity

00:23:46.900 within these large companies.

00:23:48.260 And even when the base turns against them,

00:23:50.480 so you can see this

00:23:51.100 in the gaming world right now,

00:23:52.140 it's very obvious

00:23:53.120 in Gamergate 2 right now,

00:23:55.380 with the Sweet Baby

00:23:56.000 and controversy

00:23:56.480 and everything like that,

00:23:57.680 that the general public

00:23:58.900 is not on the side

00:24:00.820 of wokeism anymore

00:24:01.560 and will likely not buy games

00:24:03.500 that are in any way involved

00:24:04.720 with wokeism.

00:24:05.700 And yet large corporations

00:24:06.820 like Xbox

00:24:07.400 are doubling down

00:24:09.000 and people are like,

00:24:10.380 why?

00:24:10.920 The way that this ideological virus works

00:24:13.160 makes it very hard

00:24:14.120 for any large bureaucracy

00:24:15.200 to escape from it,

00:24:16.320 even when it's obvious

00:24:17.260 that it's not with the public.

00:24:18.940 It's not how you sell

00:24:19.760 to the public anymore

00:24:20.480 and it's not how you appease

00:24:21.480 the mob anymore.

00:24:22.740 Okay, problem number one

00:24:23.820 is that.

00:24:24.760 So the corporations

00:24:25.420 are now legitimately against,

00:24:28.560 legitimately aligned

00:24:29.640 with the urban monoculture,

00:24:31.580 meaning anyone who's anti,

00:24:33.340 sort of a consolidation of power

00:24:34.940 at the global level

00:24:35.720 is going to be antagonistic to them.

00:24:37.560 But then you have

00:24:37.960 the second problem,

00:24:39.480 which is one of the goals.

00:24:43.520 So in the old system,

00:24:44.780 when the Republican Party

00:24:46.180 was quote unquote

00:24:47.340 controlling the world,

00:24:48.380 they were doing this

00:24:49.460 through clandestine operations.

00:24:51.080 FBI, CIA, stuff like that.

00:24:54.400 But it was being run

00:24:55.900 out of the United States.

00:24:58.240 The way that the left

00:24:59.440 has tried to consolidate

00:25:00.280 the world is different,

00:25:01.680 but equally scary

00:25:02.760 to people who don't like

00:25:03.860 this sort of

00:25:04.720 unelected consolidation of power,

00:25:07.380 which is a giant global bureaucracy

00:25:09.700 with a bureaucratic,

00:25:11.860 an unelected bureaucratic class

00:25:13.540 that is put into position

00:25:14.820 due to their ideological conformity,

00:25:17.820 really, and to some extent

00:25:19.040 abilities to navigate bureaucracies.

00:25:21.080 And that then make decisions

00:25:23.080 for everyone else in the world

00:25:24.760 from the position

00:25:25.500 at the top of ivory towers.

00:25:29.300 And so if you were somebody

00:25:31.300 who in the past

00:25:32.800 would have been antagonistic

00:25:34.700 to the consolidation

00:25:35.940 of global control

00:25:38.120 by a shadowy, unelected cabal,

00:25:40.580 this previously would have put you

00:25:41.920 squarely in the leftist movement

00:25:43.400 and now puts you squarely

00:25:44.560 in the rightist movement.

00:25:45.720 But what's interesting

00:25:46.800 is the way that these two parties

00:25:48.360 aesthetically relate

00:25:50.280 to these ideas?

00:25:51.820 And then in a sense,

00:25:54.140 the South Park

00:25:54.940 college-educated hippies

00:25:56.500 haven't gone away.

00:25:58.080 It's just that their message

00:25:59.380 is more refined now.

00:26:00.580 It's not corporations

00:26:02.080 or the government,

00:26:03.060 whatever,

00:26:03.400 is not to be trusted.

00:26:05.380 It's that the wrong corporations

00:26:07.780 are not to be trusted.

00:26:09.140 The wrong groups 0.67

00:26:10.140 are not to be trusted.

00:26:10.900 No, I think that they changed.

00:26:13.340 I think that the people

00:26:14.000 who were hardcore

00:26:14.820 old school hippies like that, 0.87

00:26:16.320 I don't trust the government,

00:26:17.660 have largely become rightist.

00:26:21.580 Maybe.

00:26:22.460 I mean...

00:26:23.640 I feel like I have seen this

00:26:25.340 in terms of like

00:26:26.100 older individuals I know.

00:26:27.860 Yeah, the one thing

00:26:28.440 that isn't happening though

00:26:29.360 is people aren't going

00:26:29.980 to university

00:26:30.560 and just deciding

00:26:31.840 that corporations are...

00:26:33.880 Corporations can't be trusted.

00:26:35.320 ...bad and can't be trusted

00:26:36.180 and the government is bad

00:26:37.160 and can't be trusted.

00:26:37.960 No, now it's the poor

00:26:39.040 are bad and can't be trusted.

00:26:40.320 Oh, sorry.

00:26:40.920 They don't call them the poor.

00:26:42.080 They mean the rural disenfranchised 0.99

00:26:44.640 are bad and can't be trusted

00:26:46.860 and corporations

00:26:48.000 are a tool to fight them.

00:26:52.300 But it is fascinating

00:26:53.660 that we've undergone

00:26:54.660 this party shift

00:26:55.640 and like collectively

00:26:57.460 we're pretending

00:26:58.220 like it didn't happen

00:26:59.320 and I don't understand...

00:27:02.540 I do understand why, right?

00:27:04.120 Like people don't like admitting it

00:27:06.180 and both parties try to hide

00:27:08.240 that it happened

00:27:08.900 because they want to maintain

00:27:10.220 as much of their old voting base

00:27:11.500 as possible

00:27:12.120 even though they don't really stand

00:27:14.160 for what they stood for

00:27:15.180 in a historic context.

00:27:16.860 Trump...

00:27:17.460 Sorry, and a lot of Republicans

00:27:18.700 are like,

00:27:19.100 no, Trump's a hardcore

00:27:20.360 old school Republican.

00:27:21.580 I'm like,

00:27:22.340 what?

00:27:23.280 Do you know what Republicans

00:27:24.700 stood for in the 80s and 90s?

00:27:26.100 This guy was a Howard Stern

00:27:27.920 appearing New York

00:27:30.200 elitist liberal, okay?

00:27:32.960 in the clearest form of this.

00:27:36.700 All right?

00:27:37.340 And not many of that views

00:27:39.140 have changed.

00:27:40.360 I think this lack of realization

00:27:41.840 that things have changed

00:27:43.040 is one of the biggest threats

00:27:44.760 to the Republican Party's efficacy now

00:27:47.060 because, for example,

00:27:49.040 all of this...

00:27:49.860 And this has been decades of work,

00:27:51.800 for example,

00:27:52.920 to overturn Roe versus Wade,

00:27:55.400 which, of course,

00:27:56.300 was legitimately overturned,

00:27:57.680 but still,

00:27:58.660 to make reproductive choice

00:28:00.000 an issue at the forefront,

00:28:01.660 that isn't really this,

00:28:02.920 as you were pointing out earlier,

00:28:04.180 social coercion element

00:28:05.480 of the Republican Party

00:28:06.580 is representative

00:28:07.760 of what it was pre-Flip,

00:28:10.260 and now the biggest thing

00:28:11.660 killing it

00:28:12.180 is this coercive element

00:28:14.200 that doesn't even really represent

00:28:15.420 what it has become since.

00:28:17.220 Yeah, and people who don't understand

00:28:18.500 why she's going on about this,

00:28:19.600 there are a few things

00:28:20.200 to note about Roe v. Wade.

00:28:21.800 We do think that

00:28:22.960 abortion restrictions

00:28:24.020 should be tighter

00:28:25.120 in our state, for example,

00:28:27.440 although we also think

00:28:28.580 that some states

00:28:29.320 go way overboard

00:28:30.580 in the amount of control

00:28:33.120 that they're exercising over this,

00:28:34.880 considering fetuses

00:28:36.280 a human life

00:28:37.080 when, you know,

00:28:38.120 even famous Catholic theologians

00:28:39.960 like Thomas Aquinas

00:28:41.160 and Augustus of Hippo

00:28:42.700 wouldn't have considered it

00:28:44.200 a living person

00:28:44.920 until 30 days after conception.

00:28:47.100 Yeah, or cases

00:28:47.700 of just basic

00:28:49.040 humaneness and suffering

00:28:51.040 where it's obvious

00:28:52.860 that any...

00:28:54.680 the baby is not viable,

00:28:55.940 that the baby will die

00:28:56.780 in excruciating death

00:28:57.840 shortly after birth

00:28:58.940 or leading up to it

00:28:59.980 if you don't abort sooner.

00:29:01.980 Yeah, some states

00:29:02.780 are taking that way too far too.

00:29:04.200 Yeah, but the point is

00:29:05.140 that this is not in line

00:29:07.300 with the desires

00:29:08.600 of the current,

00:29:10.000 at least at the federal level,

00:29:11.440 Republican base,

00:29:12.140 which is really interesting.

00:29:14.880 To give you an idea

00:29:15.520 of the statistics here,

00:29:17.080 these days around 66%

00:29:19.160 of the Republican base

00:29:20.800 in the United States

00:29:21.760 thinks abortion

00:29:22.580 should be legal

00:29:24.100 under certain circumstances.

00:29:25.280 and I think shockingly

00:29:27.440 to a lot of people,

00:29:28.740 nearly half of Republicans

00:29:30.060 under 30 say abortion

00:29:31.620 should be legal

00:29:32.280 in all or most cases.

00:29:34.240 So, for Republicans

00:29:35.920 of our age range,

00:29:38.140 we are actually

00:29:39.200 right-leaning

00:29:40.280 on our views

00:29:41.160 around abortion.

00:29:42.120 This actually really

00:29:42.860 gets my goat

00:29:43.620 when I'm talking

00:29:44.240 to other Republican influencers

00:29:46.240 and they're like,

00:29:47.260 well, you guys

00:29:47.840 are really sort of

00:29:48.900 Democrat

00:29:49.800 in a lot of your perspectives

00:29:51.200 and they'll be pointing

00:29:52.500 to positions that we have

00:29:53.840 that align with like

00:29:55.280 the midline of Republican voters

00:29:57.400 in the United States

00:29:58.480 and I'm like, 0.66

00:29:59.160 no, you have just been cucked

00:30:01.420 because you are drinking

00:30:02.880 from a fire hose

00:30:03.960 of extremist opinions

00:30:05.140 and you haven't taken the time

00:30:07.320 to actually connect

00:30:08.700 with the Republican base

00:30:09.820 in this country

00:30:10.380 or look at any recent statistics

00:30:12.520 for what young Republicans

00:30:14.620 actually think

00:30:15.520 in this country.

00:30:16.240 So, let me be

00:30:17.420 as clear about this

00:30:18.780 as I can.

00:30:20.000 The average opinion

00:30:21.080 of Republican influencers

00:30:23.620 is not the average opinion

00:30:26.600 of Republican voters.

00:30:29.500 Yeah, it's just an inertia thing

00:30:31.100 that has ended up

00:30:32.000 really slapping them

00:30:33.220 in the face 0.99

00:30:33.620 like stepping on a hoe. 1.00

00:30:34.760 Like, people who don't know

00:30:35.780 how badly they lost

00:30:37.080 in the last midterms

00:30:38.020 because of this,

00:30:39.020 it was bad

00:30:39.980 and it could completely,

00:30:42.060 like, if the only reason

00:30:43.680 Trump will not win

00:30:44.920 this cycle

00:30:45.740 is that

00:30:46.800 for people

00:30:47.720 who have looked

00:30:48.140 at the data.

00:30:48.880 We know this

00:30:49.700 because Simone's running 0.99

00:30:50.440 for office.

00:30:51.120 That and the election

00:30:52.520 integrity narrative

00:30:53.480 which is totally

00:30:54.800 the hippie thing, right?

00:30:55.920 Can't trust elections.

00:30:57.420 Yeah, can't trust elections.

00:30:58.580 So, that is the new wave.

00:31:00.200 Yeah, I would say both.

00:31:00.780 It means you say that

00:31:01.480 all the time, by the way.

00:31:02.480 Yeah, so I'll say

00:31:03.240 the old version of the party

00:31:04.700 is going to kill it

00:31:05.560 and or the new version 0.95

00:31:06.920 of the party

00:31:07.340 is going to kill it.

00:31:07.860 Explain why the election

00:31:09.320 integrity will kill it.

00:31:10.480 Yeah, and we're seeing it

00:31:11.500 at local meetings too.

00:31:12.560 It's incredibly frustrating.

00:31:13.520 So, there is concern

00:31:15.480 about election integrity.

00:31:17.100 Of course, there are issues

00:31:18.320 with election integrity.

00:31:20.360 Everyone's cheating,

00:31:21.620 but there are limits

00:31:23.080 to how much you can cheat,

00:31:24.700 meaning that if a district

00:31:26.880 or an area gets more votes

00:31:28.400 than there are registered voters,

00:31:30.140 clearly voter Florida

00:31:31.060 is staying in place,

00:31:32.040 meaning that the amount

00:31:32.840 that someone can cheat

00:31:33.840 is limited

00:31:34.340 and the way that you overcome

00:31:35.500 that is by overwhelming

00:31:37.020 your opposing side with votes.

00:31:39.160 It's all about getting out the vote.

00:31:41.200 Unfortunately, what's happening

00:31:42.360 is in our area

00:31:43.800 and all around the United States,

00:31:45.500 Republicans that are concerned

00:31:47.080 about voter integrity

00:31:48.180 or election integrity

00:31:49.660 are going out

00:31:50.500 and telling people about how,

00:31:52.980 oh, don't vote at this time

00:31:54.120 and don't vote with this way

00:31:55.180 and this way

00:31:55.660 because people are cheating this way

00:31:57.220 and people are cheating that way

00:31:58.100 and here's all this proof

00:31:58.780 of the cheating.

00:32:00.080 People are just not going

00:32:00.880 to go out to vote anymore.

00:32:02.320 They're just, they're suppressing.

00:32:03.660 This is active voter suppression.

00:32:06.360 And honestly,

00:32:07.320 our Democrat right now

00:32:08.520 and our looking to like

00:32:09.800 mess with the,

00:32:11.760 this year's election

00:32:12.640 and get my side.

00:32:14.460 You would elevate these narratives?

00:32:15.620 I would 100% elevate

00:32:17.400 voter integrity concerns

00:32:18.640 among Republicans

00:32:19.640 from a native perspective, obviously.

00:32:22.160 Yeah, man.

00:32:23.860 Can't trust the booths,

00:32:26.600 the technology,

00:32:27.360 the internet, the Wi-Fi.

00:32:28.700 And I want to be clear,

00:32:29.620 we're not saying

00:32:30.180 that votes aren't manipulated.

00:32:31.560 We're saying that you can win

00:32:32.900 by overwhelming them.

00:32:34.320 Yeah.

00:32:35.080 But, and they are manipulated

00:32:36.820 in both ways.

00:32:37.820 Yeah.

00:32:37.960 There have been election fraud cases

00:32:39.880 on the right

00:32:40.560 that have been proven in the...

00:32:42.460 Everybody cheats

00:32:43.280 because it's part of,

00:32:45.000 when it's possible to cheat

00:32:46.300 without getting caught,

00:32:47.060 people are going to cheat.

00:32:48.180 Yes.

00:32:48.360 They're going to try, yeah.

00:32:49.300 Yeah.

00:32:49.560 But again,

00:32:50.320 the margin of...

00:32:52.120 I would rephrase that.

00:32:52.960 I would say

00:32:53.260 some people will cheat

00:32:54.600 when they think it's possible

00:32:55.680 to do so without getting caught.

00:32:56.740 Yes.

00:32:56.960 If you're talking about this

00:32:58.320 at a national level,

00:32:59.620 of course you're going

00:33:00.640 to see cheating.

00:33:01.820 Yeah.

00:33:03.360 Yeah.

00:33:03.920 And sometimes,

00:33:04.600 now keep in mind,

00:33:05.120 it's not like this is

00:33:05.840 some top-down order

00:33:06.800 from some Republican

00:33:08.520 or Democratic

00:33:09.540 high-up party operative.

00:33:11.140 Often this cheating

00:33:12.380 comes in the form

00:33:13.220 of literally like

00:33:14.520 older 65-year-old people

00:33:18.540 who care way too much

00:33:20.700 about their party

00:33:21.240 and have become totally myopic

00:33:22.540 and don't care

00:33:23.360 about the Democratic process

00:33:24.380 and start doing

00:33:25.120 a little messing with stuff.

00:33:26.820 But then there are

00:33:27.660 more organized efforts too,

00:33:29.520 whatever.

00:33:29.880 But the point

00:33:31.040 is that the cheating,

00:33:32.840 the amount of cheating

00:33:33.500 you can do

00:33:34.000 is inherently limited

00:33:35.500 and the way

00:33:37.240 to overcome cheating

00:33:38.340 is not to spend

00:33:39.040 all your time

00:33:40.020 fighting cheating,

00:33:41.000 which is going to happen

00:33:42.240 in a system like this.

00:33:43.220 There are going to be

00:33:43.800 bad actors

00:33:44.320 when it is possible

00:33:45.200 to act badly.

00:33:46.740 The point

00:33:47.640 is to overwhelm

00:33:49.080 that bad acting.

00:33:50.060 You should try

00:33:50.620 to fight cheating

00:33:51.260 where you can.

00:33:52.340 Where you can.

00:33:52.760 But you also need

00:33:53.000 to be realistic,

00:33:53.780 which is to say

00:33:54.940 that it is important

00:33:56.500 that in the way

00:33:57.320 that you are fighting

00:33:58.060 that you don't

00:33:58.840 disincentivize

00:33:59.740 your own base

00:34:00.360 from voting.

00:34:01.140 Which is what

00:34:01.620 the Republican Party

00:34:02.260 is doing.

00:34:02.540 What local,

00:34:03.420 very well-meaning

00:34:04.160 Republicans are doing.

00:34:05.620 It drives me nuts.

00:34:07.220 Yeah.

00:34:08.200 It drives me so freaking nuts.

00:34:12.140 Anyway,

00:34:12.940 that was really interesting.

00:34:14.240 I enjoyed the conversation

00:34:15.400 and I'm surprised

00:34:17.280 that despite the fact

00:34:18.140 that you've basically

00:34:18.660 had no sleep

00:34:19.240 in a very long period

00:34:20.040 of time,

00:34:20.780 you are somehow

00:34:21.240 still awake.

00:34:23.560 Maybe I'm talking

00:34:24.240 with a sleep-talking

00:34:25.300 Malcolm.

00:34:25.940 Maybe one day.

00:34:26.780 A little bit.

00:34:27.320 Well,

00:34:27.580 I'm not even drinking now.

00:34:29.040 That's how little sleep

00:34:29.700 I've had.

00:34:30.240 Oh, God.

00:34:31.040 That's bad.

00:34:31.940 I haven't had anything

00:34:32.840 to drink in days.

00:34:33.720 This is getting terrifying.

00:34:35.220 How about you hit the hay

00:34:36.040 and I'll make dinner

00:34:36.740 for the kids?

00:34:37.760 I love you.

00:34:38.520 I love you too.

00:34:39.120 Bye.

00:34:39.180 Bye.

00:34:39.240 Bye.

00:34:39.260 Bye.

00:34:39.740 Bye.

00:34:39.780 Bye.

00:34:39.820 Bye.

00:34:39.860 Bye.

00:34:39.880 Bye.

00:34:39.900 Bye.

00:34:40.000 Bye.

00:34:40.020 Bye.

00:34:40.360 Bye.

00:34:40.420 Bye.

00:34:40.960 Bye.

00:34:41.020 Bye.

00:34:41.860 Bye.

00:34:41.900 Bye.

00:34:42.020 Bye.

00:34:43.020 Bye.

00:34:43.960 Bye.

00:34:44.020 Bye.

00:34:44.080 Bye.

Based Camp - May 02, 2024

How Hippies Became Republicans (Did Our Two Parties Switch Sides？)

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