Based Camp - May 02, 2024


How Hippies Became Republicans (Did Our Two Parties Switch Sides？)


Episode Stats

Length

34 minutes

Words per Minute

175.42278

Word Count

6,096

Sentence Count

383

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

19


Summary

In this episode, we discuss the parallels between the hippie culture depicted in South Park and the culture at the Republican National Convention, and the "hippie" culture that was present in the 1960s and 1970s. We discuss the similarities between hippies and today's right-wing culture, and how they are similar in many ways.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. We are excited to be doing an episode today on hippies being Republican now.
00:00:07.460 This is a really laid back place.
00:00:09.600 Oh, wow. You guys shouldn't be doing that. Don't you know what you're doing to the world?
00:00:13.640 You're playing into the corporate game.
00:00:15.820 See, the corporations are trying to turn you into little Eichmanns so that they can make money.
00:00:20.280 Who are the corporations?
00:00:21.740 The corporations run the entire world and now they fooled you into working for them.
00:00:26.560 Are you serious? We never heard that.
00:00:28.220 The government is using its corporate ties to make you sell magazines so they can get rich.
00:00:32.760 Those dirty liars!
00:00:34.480 This is a really nice town you have here. That's why the corporations are trying to use you to take it down.
00:00:40.120 Just hang with us for a bit. We'll fill you in on everything you haven't been told.
00:00:44.460 It is wild how we have met this exact archetype of person and had these exact conversations
00:00:51.140 that South Park used to use as the stereotype of what was annoying about hippies
00:00:56.400 at a number of Republican conferences this year.
00:01:00.360 Would you like to know more?
00:01:01.440 We have been to a number of Republican conferences this year.
00:01:05.340 I'm going to break them down into really three major ones.
00:01:09.000 ARC, which was of UK Republican elites.
00:01:12.200 Observative.
00:01:12.660 Yeah.
00:01:12.820 Yeah.
00:01:13.400 Then there was the one in New Hampshire that was for libertarians.
00:01:17.680 And then there was the one that was for the new underground sort of dissonant right group,
00:01:24.160 which was replatformed.
00:01:25.780 So what was really interesting is, yes, the hoity-toity UK one didn't have this hippie class as much.
00:01:33.840 It definitely had a portion of them.
00:01:35.660 But the other two were just pure.
00:01:40.320 Like most of the lines I would see in this South Park making fun of hippie attitudes,
00:01:45.920 we saw in this environment.
00:01:49.140 So if I'm going to go over some, one is the globalist theory, I guess I'd call it,
00:01:54.660 which is to say that there are a number of elites who run large companies
00:01:59.780 and ostensibly run world politics and the globe
00:02:04.320 and that you are playing into their hand if you go get a normal nine-to-five bureaucratic job
00:02:12.020 and that this group has a secret agenda, which is just to use you for your labor.
00:02:18.600 And then in the episode, you might have noticed,
00:02:20.140 oh, they've come to your town because you have this nice small town and they want to ruin it.
00:02:23.900 So not only that, but that they disproportionately target nice, healthy communities,
00:02:28.720 which is definitely something you often see in these circles,
00:02:31.880 and that a lot of people in the world are brainwashed
00:02:34.740 and that if you just hang out with them in their sociological and ideological bubble,
00:02:39.180 that's how you get out of this brainwashing.
00:02:42.000 And another thing that I think is really interesting is the mood and the vibe from the hippies,
00:02:47.180 especially this era of hippies as depicted by South Park,
00:02:50.540 is much more similar to Republican conferences and stuff I've gone to than Democrat ones.
00:02:56.480 With Democrat ones, it is very gatekeepy.
00:03:00.260 When you enter a community, they want to make sure that you are the right kind of person
00:03:04.440 with the right kind of ideas.
00:03:06.440 Where at most of the Republican conferences, it's more of a,
00:03:10.880 I'm eager to share with you the theory I have about how the world works,
00:03:14.640 or basically a conspiracy.
00:03:16.540 Yeah, very much like in the clip, like you got to know, don't you understand?
00:03:21.260 Yeah, like they're trying to turn you into tools of the corporation, man.
00:03:24.480 Yeah, they're trying to save you from something that they think is harmful.
00:03:29.080 And then the second clip, I'll play it here, which I think is pretty elucidating.
00:03:33.140 Right now we're proving we don't need corporations.
00:03:36.140 We don't need money.
00:03:37.780 This can become a commune where everyone just helps each other.
00:03:40.680 Yeah, we have one guy who like makes bread,
00:03:43.880 and one guy who like looks out for other people's safety.
00:03:47.240 You mean like a baker and a cop?
00:03:48.400 Like, no, no, can't you imagine a place where people live together
00:03:51.860 and like provide services for each other in exchange for their services?
00:03:57.640 Yeah, it's called a town.
00:03:59.540 You kids just haven't been to college yet.
00:04:01.780 But just you wait, this thing is about to get huge.
00:04:05.240 So in this clip, a misunderstanding of economic systems
00:04:09.220 and a belief that the economic systems we have now exist just to screw over people
00:04:15.480 and that through essentially rebuilding these systems,
00:04:20.020 we can have something that works.
00:04:22.480 Now, this isn't as pure within Republican circles as it was within.
00:04:26.680 This isn't as pure an analogy to the older hippie movement
00:04:29.100 because these groups often want to move to,
00:04:33.180 I mentioned to Simone at the Libertarian event,
00:04:36.080 who paid me was like a gold slip of paper and-
00:04:39.200 Literally a laminated piece of gold leaf, if I understand correctly.
00:04:43.280 Yeah, yeah.
00:04:44.080 Where they are trying to reprint currency,
00:04:47.560 like recreate currency,
00:04:48.840 but I guess have it be backed by something is the idea.
00:04:52.400 Just literally paying with gold.
00:04:54.600 Yeah, but the gold in it isn't worth the price of the currency.
00:04:58.200 They inflate the price of the currency.
00:05:00.240 Oh, I see.
00:05:00.880 Okay, okay.
00:05:01.620 Everything like that.
00:05:02.180 It's just any gold-backed currency.
00:05:03.340 It's not even, it's just a currency again.
00:05:06.400 That's what they've done is they've recreated currency.
00:05:08.740 The gold standard.
00:05:10.360 No, it's not the gold standard
00:05:12.000 because the gold standard was,
00:05:13.740 it was pinned to the price of gold.
00:05:15.700 Yeah.
00:05:15.920 It is pinned under the price of gold
00:05:18.200 so that they can make a margin off of selling the currency.
00:05:22.180 Oh, I get it.
00:05:22.960 I see what you're saying.
00:05:23.960 Okay.
00:05:24.320 Okay.
00:05:25.000 So it's not the gold standard, no.
00:05:26.740 She's a little dense.
00:05:27.740 I'm sorry, Malcolm.
00:05:28.820 But why are we seeing these convergent beliefs?
00:05:33.600 How did this ideological system that is conspiratorially minded,
00:05:39.640 believes in a globalist conspiracy,
00:05:42.220 believes that the globalist conspiracy is disproportionately targeting
00:05:45.340 otherwise wholesome areas,
00:05:47.140 and believes that by working bureaucratic jobs,
00:05:49.400 you are serving that global conspiracy,
00:05:51.400 and that the world's economic system is in service to that global conspiracy,
00:05:55.280 or globalist conspiracy.
00:05:56.400 How did that move from being a democratic movement
00:06:00.160 to a predominantly republican movement?
00:06:04.160 All right.
00:06:04.360 I will give my assumption, my hypothesis,
00:06:07.800 and then you'll tell me why it's dumb.
00:06:09.880 Okay.
00:06:10.240 I think it's because ultimately the progressive movement,
00:06:14.460 Democrats, et cetera, were too successful.
00:06:16.700 And because they became so successful,
00:06:18.700 especially among college-educated elites,
00:06:20.900 and keep in mind a key punchline in these South Park clips is,
00:06:24.340 oh, you just haven't been to college yet.
00:06:25.720 You haven't been educated.
00:06:26.500 So we are talking about a group of people who went through institutions
00:06:31.200 and also became, well, commercially, financially successful
00:06:34.380 and influential within various institutions.
00:06:37.520 These people, they went to college,
00:06:38.980 and then they went on and they became lawyers,
00:06:40.920 government workers, policymakers, bureaucrats.
00:06:43.860 We have another podcast on this
00:06:45.620 where we discussed with Tracy Woodgrains
00:06:47.420 how the Republican Party is boned
00:06:49.860 because basically anyone who can implement policy within government
00:06:54.320 to be a bureaucrat, to be a legislator,
00:06:57.820 is probably someone who's gone through this university system
00:07:00.460 and become progressive.
00:07:01.860 So it's hard to find the talent you need to get things done as a Republican
00:07:05.100 if you are in a position of power or you have a mandate or a majority.
00:07:09.840 I think what happened is Democrats and progressives became too successful.
00:07:13.820 Then their mindset shifted away from this anti-establishment mindset
00:07:18.420 because they became the establishment.
00:07:21.420 Now, when I go to more progressive gatherings and meetings,
00:07:25.220 and when I remember the ones that I attended throughout my college years
00:07:29.360 when I was still very progressive and very Democrat,
00:07:31.540 it was all about we have to get the institutions to do this.
00:07:36.220 We have to get corporations to do this to execute better on our mandate.
00:07:40.220 We have to get governments to execute more effectively on our values.
00:07:45.100 And it wasn't you can't trust them, stay away from them.
00:07:47.740 They're trying to manipulate you.
00:07:49.080 We need to build an alternate system because they own the system.
00:07:53.740 That is an interesting point.
00:07:56.340 There is an element.
00:07:57.420 I think there is an element of truth to that world framework
00:08:00.560 A framing I would add to that world framework is that the parties flipped.
00:08:06.720 And a lot of people, American parties, flip all the time.
00:08:11.300 When?
00:08:11.820 Rarely.
00:08:12.820 A lot of people say that they flipped from when the Democrats went from being
00:08:16.760 a predominantly Southern party to a predominantly Northern party.
00:08:19.600 When the Democrats went from being seen as the party that was pro-civil rights
00:08:23.860 to the anti- went from anti-civil rights to pro-civil rights.
00:08:26.900 They went from being a party that was,
00:08:28.780 they just changed in a lot of ways.
00:08:30.980 Not in every way.
00:08:31.720 A lot of people get this wrong.
00:08:32.620 In the early 90s?
00:08:33.520 When?
00:08:33.920 When time-wise?
00:08:35.000 Claude's answer to this question is,
00:08:37.360 the general consensus among historians is that the Republican and Democratic parties
00:08:41.200 underwent a gradual ideological shift,
00:08:43.960 often referred to as the quote-unquote party realignment or party switch,
00:08:47.880 over the course of several decades in the 20th century,
00:08:50.560 particularly between the 1930s and 1960s.
00:08:53.500 One of the most significant turning points in this alignment occurred
00:08:56.280 during the presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt,
00:08:59.260 a Democrat.
00:08:59.960 Roosevelt's New Deal policies,
00:09:01.900 which expanded the role of federal government in addressing economic and social issues,
00:09:06.100 began attracting more liberal voters to the Democratic Party,
00:09:09.220 including many African Americans,
00:09:10.860 who previously supported the Republican Party since the Civil War era.
00:09:14.360 However,
00:09:14.700 the realignment process continued through the 1960s,
00:09:17.720 particularly during the presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson, also a Democrat.
00:09:21.440 Johnson's support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964
00:09:25.380 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965
00:09:28.240 further solidified the Democratic Party's alignment with the Civil Rights Movement
00:09:32.500 and led to a backlash among many Southern white conservatives
00:09:35.140 who began shifting their support to the Republican Party.
00:09:38.160 It's important to note that this realignment was a complex and gradual process,
00:09:42.060 and there is no single president or event
00:09:44.700 that marks a definitive, quote-unquote, switch between the parties.
00:09:47.700 The ideological positions of both parties have continued to evolve since the 1960s.
00:09:53.000 I can add more specifics afterwards in editing, but...
00:09:55.940 Perfect.
00:09:56.340 Did you not study this in school?
00:09:58.560 No, dude.
00:09:59.200 They stopped right before the Vietnam War.
00:10:02.080 Basically after World War II, they were like, okay.
00:10:04.360 But anyway, the point being is when you point out to Democrats today
00:10:10.780 that they were the party of the Klan
00:10:13.360 and that they were the party of slavery,
00:10:16.500 they're like, don't you know that the party's flipped?
00:10:19.660 And it's important to understand what they mean when they say that.
00:10:22.260 They mean flipped on a few issues that allows them to disavow the tendencies
00:10:26.400 that have reconverged on racism within the party.
00:10:29.640 But when you go through party flips, historically speaking,
00:10:34.520 you don't actually flip everything.
00:10:36.700 You don't actually flip your whole constituency.
00:10:39.240 You don't actually flip every member.
00:10:41.600 You flip in a few key ways that then become really important
00:10:46.940 to the party identity, history, and narrative going forwards.
00:10:52.340 And this is where the confusion happens,
00:10:55.040 is there is a belief that when the pro-slavery party flipped
00:11:00.120 that it, do in part, and we need to say this,
00:11:04.920 in part to some civil rights issues,
00:11:06.960 that it became holistically the pro-civil rights party.
00:11:11.380 And this is just wrong and not aligned with historical reality.
00:11:18.080 The parties did not flip in every one of their beliefs.
00:11:21.200 They flipped in a few key beliefs.
00:11:23.680 In the era of Trump, we saw this again.
00:11:28.480 The parties flipped in a few key beliefs.
00:11:32.100 Wow, so there was a Trump flip that no one talks about.
00:11:35.160 They don't talk about it now, but they'll talk about it in history books.
00:11:37.660 A lot of people are like, oh, the left me.
00:11:40.660 You hear this line all the time,
00:11:42.980 where there's the famous comic of the guy standing in the middle,
00:11:45.720 and then the leftist is running away,
00:11:47.160 and now the center line is against him,
00:11:49.620 and he pushes the guy.
00:11:50.760 Or there was the one where the leftist guy pushes him,
00:11:53.740 and he's like, why are you standing over there on the right now?
00:11:56.240 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:11:57.240 And both of these, I think, cover a key idea,
00:12:01.000 which is a lot of people that identified part of their personality
00:12:04.940 was a liberalist framing of reality,
00:12:07.740 that people should be allowed to live and let live,
00:12:11.220 that we shouldn't have any sort of racial hierarchy within this country,
00:12:14.440 that people should be allowed to practice their own beliefs at home,
00:12:18.080 so long as it wasn't hurting anyone else.
00:12:20.440 They identified these beliefs with the Democratic Party,
00:12:24.820 and yet these beliefs are now really not at all
00:12:28.460 on the Democratic side in terms of policy
00:12:30.360 and sort of key Republican events,
00:12:33.680 belief systems in the post-Trump era.
00:12:35.820 And they don't know how to deal with this.
00:12:38.140 Like, the media doesn't know how to deal with this.
00:12:39.640 The media will lie to people
00:12:40.740 and pretend that there's like these big racist Trump factions,
00:12:43.060 which we've pointed out is just not really true.
00:12:44.980 And I will say this statistic until the cows come home.
00:12:48.300 By 538 polling, buy and eat silver,
00:12:49.920 a mainstream polling organization,
00:12:51.500 more white Democrats than white Republicans
00:12:53.240 that they wouldn't vote for a black president
00:12:54.860 until Obama was elected.
00:12:57.680 This shows that the Dems never really fully stopped
00:13:00.880 being the party of the Klan.
00:13:02.520 And what happened is the media decided that they were Democrat,
00:13:07.340 decided that racism was bad,
00:13:09.280 and so they began to weave a narrative
00:13:12.880 that many in the public bought
00:13:14.760 that the Dems had stopped being the party of the Klan.
00:13:17.940 And a lot of, whether you're looking at base or policy,
00:13:21.600 isn't really reflected in how these parties govern.
00:13:24.640 So a great example here that I always point out
00:13:26.820 is Republicans, up until Trump,
00:13:29.900 were not the party of small government.
00:13:32.160 They said they were the party of small government,
00:13:34.200 but they were not the party of small government.
00:13:36.840 And so let's talk about the things that's flipped
00:13:39.220 during the Trump era.
00:13:40.280 You had the Republicans become a much more dovish party
00:13:44.300 and the Democrats becoming a much more hawkish party.
00:13:46.920 This used to be the antithesis.
00:13:49.120 And this is a major foreign policy flip.
00:13:51.120 I wouldn't say dovish.
00:13:52.240 I would say isolationist, but yes, I agree.
00:13:54.540 It's the same thing.
00:13:55.280 But yeah, that's what the Democrats used to be.
00:13:56.900 It was, you shouldn't be the world police.
00:13:58.960 That was the Dems always complained about
00:14:00.500 during the Bush era.
00:14:01.460 Yeah, but it was more from the place of like,
00:14:03.480 how dare we commit these atrocities
00:14:05.300 and tell other people how to govern their countries
00:14:07.660 instead of, I don't want my tax dollars going to that.
00:14:11.440 It was, we shouldn't try to be the world police.
00:14:14.820 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:15.920 Okay, and Dems now explicitly believe
00:14:18.040 we should try to be the world police.
00:14:20.540 Now, the other thing-
00:14:21.580 Unless it comes to helping Israel.
00:14:23.760 No, they think that we should put our thumb
00:14:25.920 on the side of Gaza.
00:14:27.460 They think that we should assist Gaza.
00:14:29.240 Actively help Gaza?
00:14:29.720 We should be okay if we run together, Misuzu.
00:14:32.180 Of course I will.
00:14:33.360 Because you and I are via this, does she mean?
00:14:37.260 Let go of me.
00:14:38.820 Damn it, bitch, I said let go of me.
00:14:43.020 No.
00:14:45.480 What do you think that they're protesting for
00:14:47.360 when they say from River to Sea
00:14:48.720 and they're protesting in university?
00:14:50.260 Do you think Gaza's gonna get the Israelis off the land?
00:14:53.320 No, they're talking about us.
00:14:54.580 Oh, shit.
00:14:55.380 I think that people don't understand how crazy
00:14:58.140 the people who actually control leftist policy have gone.
00:15:01.440 But anyway, sorry, we have to go back here.
00:15:03.220 So that was one thing that flipped.
00:15:05.480 Another thing that flipped was protectionism
00:15:08.220 versus free trade.
00:15:10.140 Republicans were classically the party of free trade.
00:15:13.080 And Democrats were classically the party of protectionism.
00:15:16.060 That completely flipped.
00:15:18.200 Other was, which was the party-
00:15:20.080 In some ways, right?
00:15:20.960 Because Democrats are still super pro-union.
00:15:22.980 And I see that as an inherently protectionist policy.
00:15:26.780 But now, as we discussed with Svi
00:15:29.260 when we were talking about the shipping policy
00:15:31.280 that the Jones Act that now keeps me up at night,
00:15:34.540 there are so many globalist default democratic policies
00:15:39.340 that ultimately hurt unions
00:15:42.200 and they run counter to progressive values,
00:15:44.980 which is really interesting.
00:15:46.280 Yeah, and another is,
00:15:47.340 which was the party that was about enforcing a set,
00:15:51.320 the dominant cultural system in the country's values
00:15:54.540 on other people without their consent.
00:15:58.160 Cultural supremacists, yeah.
00:15:59.600 So you can take something like gender identity, right?
00:16:03.200 So historically, the Republican Party
00:16:06.360 was about enforcing the dominant cultural group
00:16:09.540 in the country.
00:16:10.080 This was the Christian cultural framework.
00:16:12.600 Beliefs around things like gender and sexuality
00:16:14.720 through the school system, through laws.
00:16:17.920 And now you have the opposite happening
00:16:19.860 where because the dominant cultural system
00:16:22.000 has changed to the urban monoculture,
00:16:24.120 and that's the culture that's represented
00:16:25.380 in the Democratic Party,
00:16:26.860 they will do things like say,
00:16:28.520 if your kid doesn't conform to the way
00:16:32.160 that your culture sees gender,
00:16:34.460 then we get to take that kid from you.
00:16:36.240 That's a CPS offense.
00:16:38.860 This never would have happened in a historic context.
00:16:41.580 Dems would never say that it is our job
00:16:43.620 to police the way another family
00:16:46.260 sees something like gender or sexuality
00:16:49.500 or police what other people are doing
00:16:52.180 in their bedrooms.
00:16:53.420 And yet now you have these ridiculous ideas
00:16:55.440 among Democrats,
00:16:56.280 like that a person can revoke consent after sex.
00:16:59.040 Is there anything more policing of bedrooms?
00:17:01.360 It's saying that our social norms around sex
00:17:04.540 apply even post facto,
00:17:07.740 within a legal context,
00:17:10.000 which is insane.
00:17:11.000 This is never the way Dems were historically.
00:17:13.620 And I think that just as much as many Dems
00:17:18.900 feel bewildered as the parties have switched positions,
00:17:22.100 we also see some Republicans feel equally bewildered
00:17:25.860 and acting, I'd say, pathetically.
00:17:28.080 There was one well-known podcaster
00:17:30.100 who was looking at doing something with them,
00:17:31.860 but they just have an extreme antagonism
00:17:34.120 towards us and our beliefs
00:17:35.580 because they see us as sort of
00:17:37.260 part of this previously Democratic faction
00:17:40.760 that is moved to the Republican side of things.
00:17:44.320 And they're like,
00:17:45.360 but they don't represent our old values
00:17:48.040 and they're polluting the Republican Party
00:17:50.140 with this value system.
00:17:52.860 And what they mean by that
00:17:55.020 is just like the Democrat
00:17:56.040 who doesn't realize the parties have flipped,
00:17:58.040 they don't realize the parties have flipped either.
00:18:00.920 And they're here thinking
00:18:02.480 that the Republicans' party's job
00:18:05.060 is to impose upon the population
00:18:08.260 a theocratic value system
00:18:10.600 that aligns with their interpretation of Christianity.
00:18:14.540 And it's, I'm sorry,
00:18:16.100 one, most of the people who have this perspective
00:18:18.200 are Catholics
00:18:18.840 and Catholics were actually always on the outs.
00:18:22.540 Like when my family was fighting the Klan,
00:18:24.480 one of the main reasons we were fighting them
00:18:26.120 was because we had Catholic friends
00:18:27.640 who we wanted to protect.
00:18:28.700 Like the Catholics were never
00:18:31.000 an accepted theological framework
00:18:33.620 when Christians were the dominant group.
00:18:35.600 I guess maybe for a brief period
00:18:37.300 in like the 90s, but not really.
00:18:39.740 So one, they're fighting for a fantasy in the past
00:18:42.100 that didn't really exist.
00:18:43.140 If we went back to those time periods
00:18:44.700 where the dominant cultural form of Christianity
00:18:47.420 was being enforced,
00:18:48.900 it would have been being enforced
00:18:50.540 in a way that was detrimental to their kids.
00:18:53.360 But in addition to that,
00:18:55.720 it, like no Christian group in this country,
00:19:00.340 no theological group in this country
00:19:01.860 has enough voting power anymore
00:19:03.360 at the federal level to win elections.
00:19:07.220 The idea that they can enforce
00:19:09.820 their minority culture
00:19:11.580 on the mainstream population
00:19:13.340 is just as insane as like a Muslim America
00:19:16.700 trying to enact Sharia law in our country.
00:19:20.280 It doesn't make sense.
00:19:22.580 And this also gets me to something
00:19:23.640 that always just boils my blood
00:19:25.220 when people say America was created
00:19:27.620 as a Christian country
00:19:28.720 with a Christian value system.
00:19:30.500 I'm like, no,
00:19:32.080 it was created as a Calvinist country
00:19:33.940 with a Calvinist value system.
00:19:36.780 And then the Calvinists basically died off
00:19:39.140 due to low fertility rate.
00:19:40.600 And you, other Christian groups
00:19:42.560 with radically different value systems
00:19:45.240 came in like a hermit crab sizing up a shell
00:19:48.240 and then play this little shuffle game
00:19:51.720 where you go back and you're like,
00:19:53.000 look, they were technically Christians
00:19:54.700 at the founding of America.
00:19:56.020 And you can look at the heritage study.
00:19:57.660 A study titled, almost comically to prove my point,
00:20:00.620 did America have a Christian founding?
00:20:02.520 A lot of people don't know this.
00:20:03.760 It was something like 60, 75% or something
00:20:06.760 of white Americans during the founding of America,
00:20:10.440 especially the ones in positions of power
00:20:12.140 were disproportionately of the Calvinist cultural group.
00:20:14.740 And if they weren't of the Calvinist cultural group,
00:20:16.240 they were mostly like Quakers.
00:20:17.640 They were not the perspectives on Christianity
00:20:20.820 that people have today in America.
00:20:22.720 These have very different framings around things.
00:20:25.340 Probably one of the biggest,
00:20:26.660 which changes the way they act from a legal standpoint,
00:20:30.240 is the belief in predestination
00:20:32.880 and irresistible grace.
00:20:37.660 But both of which basically mean-
00:20:39.460 Not limited atonement.
00:20:40.960 I feel like limited atonement has a bigger policy.
00:20:43.060 Yeah, limited atonement as well.
00:20:44.540 But together, what it basically means
00:20:46.200 is the people who are going to go to heaven
00:20:48.540 have been pre-chosen to an extent.
00:20:50.840 So there isn't as much of a reason
00:20:52.460 to go out and proselytize.
00:20:54.280 And it's okay to live alongside Jews or Catholics
00:20:57.960 because they were born to go to hell.
00:21:00.380 There's no reason for you to really dislike their lifestyle.
00:21:03.260 It's much more important to focus on you
00:21:04.820 and your own community,
00:21:05.640 which makes them much more similar culturally
00:21:08.560 to like the way Jews are today,
00:21:10.240 where Jews might not go out
00:21:11.800 and try to impose their cultural value system.
00:21:14.200 And here are like Orthodox Jews,
00:21:15.540 not Reform Jews,
00:21:17.260 which are a totally different thing,
00:21:18.520 but like ultra-Orthodox Jews
00:21:20.080 are not out there trying to turn you
00:21:21.620 into an ultra-Orthodox Jew
00:21:22.980 because they just don't think
00:21:24.520 that you are meant to live correctly.
00:21:27.400 And what this means from a legal perspective
00:21:30.520 is that they set up a legal system
00:21:32.380 that was meant to be culturally pluralistic,
00:21:35.240 whereas what we would call
00:21:37.420 dominating cultural systems
00:21:39.100 that some of the more modern Christian systems are
00:21:41.360 that think that everyone is meant to convert.
00:21:43.680 And it's their job to convert everyone.
00:21:45.840 We have a very different view towards this.
00:21:48.360 And things like separation of church and state
00:21:50.820 can seem really weird to them.
00:21:53.060 And they're like,
00:21:53.500 they didn't mean separation of,
00:21:55.160 no, what they meant
00:21:56.280 was separation of every individual church and state.
00:21:59.140 Yeah, they didn't mean
00:21:59.800 that the state should be wholly secular.
00:22:01.820 What they meant is that
00:22:03.280 it shouldn't be any one denomination of Christian
00:22:06.000 in a time period
00:22:06.840 where the denominations of Christianity
00:22:08.140 were blindingly different from each other.
00:22:11.360 And they believed this
00:22:12.580 because they didn't believe as Calvinists
00:22:14.480 that they needed to go out
00:22:15.320 and convert the other denominations.
00:22:17.940 And Quakers felt largely the same way,
00:22:20.120 but for different reasons.
00:22:21.740 So this, I'm sorry,
00:22:24.040 that was a huge tangent there.
00:22:26.120 What it means is that there's this fantasy
00:22:28.820 among this part of the old holdout
00:22:31.860 of the conservative party
00:22:32.640 before you had this flip in cultural systems,
00:22:34.780 that they can realistically turn
00:22:39.460 the conservative party
00:22:40.600 into a system
00:22:43.280 for imposing their denomination
00:22:45.960 of Christianity's value system
00:22:48.000 on the country
00:22:49.160 in a legal in school system methodology.
00:22:51.760 And that's just not going to happen.
00:22:53.400 But that's a completely unrealistic vision
00:22:55.560 of what can be achieved
00:22:56.880 with the current demography of this country.
00:22:58.740 And keep in mind,
00:22:59.880 if you look at Gen Alpha,
00:23:01.080 they are becoming de-religious
00:23:02.320 at a much faster clip
00:23:03.580 than other generations.
00:23:04.780 Like they are losing right now.
00:23:06.820 Like it is getting worse for them
00:23:08.280 as time goes on, not better.
00:23:09.980 Okay, at least in the short run.
00:23:11.120 Eventually they'll come back,
00:23:12.180 as we pointed out,
00:23:12.780 with fertility rates
00:23:13.740 and everything like that.
00:23:14.440 But in the short run,
00:23:16.100 it's just not a winning play.
00:23:18.020 And so now let's talk about the hippies.
00:23:20.540 Where did they come?
00:23:21.520 Like where did the anti-globalists come from
00:23:24.220 and how did they find themselves
00:23:25.340 on the conservative side?
00:23:26.280 Or the anti-corporates
00:23:27.840 or the anti-whatever, right?
00:23:29.260 So it was two core events that happened.
00:23:31.400 One was the corporation
00:23:33.480 being ideologically captured
00:23:35.720 by the dominant cultural group in society,
00:23:38.260 which created these sort of memetic viruses,
00:23:41.520 as we've talked about them,
00:23:42.200 as transmissible cancers,
00:23:43.820 which is these DEI departments
00:23:45.260 that are meant to ensure
00:23:45.900 ideological conformity
00:23:46.900 within these large companies.
00:23:48.260 And even when the base turns against them,
00:23:50.480 so you can see this
00:23:51.100 in the gaming world right now,
00:23:52.140 it's very obvious
00:23:53.120 in Gamergate 2 right now,
00:23:55.380 with the Sweet Baby
00:23:56.000 and controversy
00:23:56.480 and everything like that,
00:23:57.680 that the general public
00:23:58.900 is not on the side
00:24:00.820 of wokeism anymore
00:24:01.560 and will likely not buy games
00:24:03.500 that are in any way involved
00:24:04.720 with wokeism.
00:24:05.700 And yet large corporations
00:24:06.820 like Xbox
00:24:07.400 are doubling down
00:24:09.000 and people are like,
00:24:10.380 why?
00:24:10.920 The way that this ideological virus works
00:24:13.160 makes it very hard
00:24:14.120 for any large bureaucracy
00:24:15.200 to escape from it,
00:24:16.320 even when it's obvious
00:24:17.260 that it's not with the public.
00:24:18.940 It's not how you sell
00:24:19.760 to the public anymore
00:24:20.480 and it's not how you appease
00:24:21.480 the mob anymore.
00:24:22.740 Okay, problem number one
00:24:23.820 is that.
00:24:24.760 So the corporations
00:24:25.420 are now legitimately against,
00:24:28.560 legitimately aligned
00:24:29.640 with the urban monoculture,
00:24:31.580 meaning anyone who's anti,
00:24:33.340 sort of a consolidation of power
00:24:34.940 at the global level
00:24:35.720 is going to be antagonistic to them.
00:24:37.560 But then you have
00:24:37.960 the second problem,
00:24:39.480 which is one of the goals.
00:24:43.520 So in the old system,
00:24:44.780 when the Republican Party
00:24:46.180 was quote unquote
00:24:47.340 controlling the world,
00:24:48.380 they were doing this
00:24:49.460 through clandestine operations.
00:24:51.080 FBI, CIA, stuff like that.
00:24:54.400 But it was being run
00:24:55.900 out of the United States.
00:24:58.240 The way that the left
00:24:59.440 has tried to consolidate
00:25:00.280 the world is different,
00:25:01.680 but equally scary
00:25:02.760 to people who don't like
00:25:03.860 this sort of
00:25:04.720 unelected consolidation of power,
00:25:07.380 which is a giant global bureaucracy
00:25:09.700 with a bureaucratic,
00:25:11.860 an unelected bureaucratic class
00:25:13.540 that is put into position
00:25:14.820 due to their ideological conformity,
00:25:17.820 really, and to some extent
00:25:19.040 abilities to navigate bureaucracies.
00:25:21.080 And that then make decisions
00:25:23.080 for everyone else in the world
00:25:24.760 from the position
00:25:25.500 at the top of ivory towers.
00:25:29.300 And so if you were somebody
00:25:31.300 who in the past
00:25:32.800 would have been antagonistic
00:25:34.700 to the consolidation
00:25:35.940 of global control
00:25:38.120 by a shadowy, unelected cabal,
00:25:40.580 this previously would have put you
00:25:41.920 squarely in the leftist movement
00:25:43.400 and now puts you squarely
00:25:44.560 in the rightist movement.
00:25:45.720 But what's interesting
00:25:46.800 is the way that these two parties
00:25:48.360 aesthetically relate
00:25:50.280 to these ideas?
00:25:51.820 And then in a sense,
00:25:54.140 the South Park
00:25:54.940 college-educated hippies
00:25:56.500 haven't gone away.
00:25:58.080 It's just that their message
00:25:59.380 is more refined now.
00:26:00.580 It's not corporations
00:26:02.080 or the government,
00:26:03.060 whatever,
00:26:03.400 is not to be trusted.
00:26:05.380 It's that the wrong corporations
00:26:07.780 are not to be trusted.
00:26:09.140 The wrong groups
00:26:10.140 are not to be trusted.
00:26:10.900 No, I think that they changed.
00:26:13.340 I think that the people
00:26:14.000 who were hardcore
00:26:14.820 old school hippies like that,
00:26:16.320 I don't trust the government,
00:26:17.660 have largely become rightist.
00:26:21.580 Maybe.
00:26:22.460 I mean...
00:26:23.640 I feel like I have seen this
00:26:25.340 in terms of like
00:26:26.100 older individuals I know.
00:26:27.860 Yeah, the one thing
00:26:28.440 that isn't happening though
00:26:29.360 is people aren't going
00:26:29.980 to university
00:26:30.560 and just deciding
00:26:31.840 that corporations are...
00:26:33.880 Corporations can't be trusted.
00:26:35.320 ...bad and can't be trusted
00:26:36.180 and the government is bad
00:26:37.160 and can't be trusted.
00:26:37.960 No, now it's the poor
00:26:39.040 are bad and can't be trusted.
00:26:40.320 Oh, sorry.
00:26:40.920 They don't call them the poor.
00:26:42.080 They mean the rural disenfranchised
00:26:44.640 are bad and can't be trusted
00:26:46.860 and corporations
00:26:48.000 are a tool to fight them.
00:26:52.300 But it is fascinating
00:26:53.660 that we've undergone
00:26:54.660 this party shift
00:26:55.640 and like collectively
00:26:57.460 we're pretending
00:26:58.220 like it didn't happen
00:26:59.320 and I don't understand...
00:27:02.540 I do understand why, right?
00:27:04.120 Like people don't like admitting it
00:27:06.180 and both parties try to hide
00:27:08.240 that it happened
00:27:08.900 because they want to maintain
00:27:10.220 as much of their old voting base
00:27:11.500 as possible
00:27:12.120 even though they don't really stand
00:27:14.160 for what they stood for
00:27:15.180 in a historic context.
00:27:16.860 Trump...
00:27:17.460 Sorry, and a lot of Republicans
00:27:18.700 are like,
00:27:19.100 no, Trump's a hardcore
00:27:20.360 old school Republican.
00:27:21.580 I'm like,
00:27:22.340 what?
00:27:23.280 Do you know what Republicans
00:27:24.700 stood for in the 80s and 90s?
00:27:26.100 This guy was a Howard Stern
00:27:27.920 appearing New York
00:27:30.200 elitist liberal, okay?
00:27:32.960 in the clearest form of this.
00:27:36.700 All right?
00:27:37.340 And not many of that views
00:27:39.140 have changed.
00:27:40.360 I think this lack of realization
00:27:41.840 that things have changed
00:27:43.040 is one of the biggest threats
00:27:44.760 to the Republican Party's efficacy now
00:27:47.060 because, for example,
00:27:49.040 all of this...
00:27:49.860 And this has been decades of work,
00:27:51.800 for example,
00:27:52.920 to overturn Roe versus Wade,
00:27:55.400 which, of course,
00:27:56.300 was legitimately overturned,
00:27:57.680 but still,
00:27:58.660 to make reproductive choice
00:28:00.000 an issue at the forefront,
00:28:01.660 that isn't really this,
00:28:02.920 as you were pointing out earlier,
00:28:04.180 social coercion element
00:28:05.480 of the Republican Party
00:28:06.580 is representative
00:28:07.760 of what it was pre-Flip,
00:28:10.260 and now the biggest thing
00:28:11.660 killing it
00:28:12.180 is this coercive element
00:28:14.200 that doesn't even really represent
00:28:15.420 what it has become since.
00:28:17.220 Yeah, and people who don't understand
00:28:18.500 why she's going on about this,
00:28:19.600 there are a few things
00:28:20.200 to note about Roe v. Wade.
00:28:21.800 We do think that
00:28:22.960 abortion restrictions
00:28:24.020 should be tighter
00:28:25.120 in our state, for example,
00:28:27.440 although we also think
00:28:28.580 that some states
00:28:29.320 go way overboard
00:28:30.580 in the amount of control
00:28:33.120 that they're exercising over this,
00:28:34.880 considering fetuses
00:28:36.280 a human life
00:28:37.080 when, you know,
00:28:38.120 even famous Catholic theologians
00:28:39.960 like Thomas Aquinas
00:28:41.160 and Augustus of Hippo
00:28:42.700 wouldn't have considered it
00:28:44.200 a living person
00:28:44.920 until 30 days after conception.
00:28:47.100 Yeah, or cases
00:28:47.700 of just basic
00:28:49.040 humaneness and suffering
00:28:51.040 where it's obvious
00:28:52.860 that any...
00:28:54.680 the baby is not viable,
00:28:55.940 that the baby will die
00:28:56.780 in excruciating death
00:28:57.840 shortly after birth
00:28:58.940 or leading up to it
00:28:59.980 if you don't abort sooner.
00:29:01.980 Yeah, some states
00:29:02.780 are taking that way too far too.
00:29:04.200 Yeah, but the point is
00:29:05.140 that this is not in line
00:29:07.300 with the desires
00:29:08.600 of the current,
00:29:10.000 at least at the federal level,
00:29:11.440 Republican base,
00:29:12.140 which is really interesting.
00:29:14.880 To give you an idea
00:29:15.520 of the statistics here,
00:29:17.080 these days around 66%
00:29:19.160 of the Republican base
00:29:20.800 in the United States
00:29:21.760 thinks abortion
00:29:22.580 should be legal
00:29:24.100 under certain circumstances.
00:29:25.280 and I think shockingly
00:29:27.440 to a lot of people,
00:29:28.740 nearly half of Republicans
00:29:30.060 under 30 say abortion
00:29:31.620 should be legal
00:29:32.280 in all or most cases.
00:29:34.240 So, for Republicans
00:29:35.920 of our age range,
00:29:38.140 we are actually
00:29:39.200 right-leaning
00:29:40.280 on our views
00:29:41.160 around abortion.
00:29:42.120 This actually really
00:29:42.860 gets my goat
00:29:43.620 when I'm talking
00:29:44.240 to other Republican influencers
00:29:46.240 and they're like,
00:29:47.260 well, you guys
00:29:47.840 are really sort of
00:29:48.900 Democrat
00:29:49.800 in a lot of your perspectives
00:29:51.200 and they'll be pointing
00:29:52.500 to positions that we have
00:29:53.840 that align with like
00:29:55.280 the midline of Republican voters
00:29:57.400 in the United States
00:29:58.480 and I'm like,
00:29:59.160 no, you have just been cucked
00:30:01.420 because you are drinking
00:30:02.880 from a fire hose
00:30:03.960 of extremist opinions
00:30:05.140 and you haven't taken the time
00:30:07.320 to actually connect
00:30:08.700 with the Republican base
00:30:09.820 in this country
00:30:10.380 or look at any recent statistics
00:30:12.520 for what young Republicans
00:30:14.620 actually think
00:30:15.520 in this country.
00:30:16.240 So, let me be
00:30:17.420 as clear about this
00:30:18.780 as I can.
00:30:20.000 The average opinion
00:30:21.080 of Republican influencers
00:30:23.620 is not the average opinion
00:30:26.600 of Republican voters.
00:30:29.500 Yeah, it's just an inertia thing
00:30:31.100 that has ended up
00:30:32.000 really slapping them
00:30:33.220 in the face
00:30:33.620 like stepping on a hoe.
00:30:34.760 Like, people who don't know
00:30:35.780 how badly they lost
00:30:37.080 in the last midterms
00:30:38.020 because of this,
00:30:39.020 it was bad
00:30:39.980 and it could completely,
00:30:42.060 like, if the only reason
00:30:43.680 Trump will not win
00:30:44.920 this cycle
00:30:45.740 is that
00:30:46.800 for people
00:30:47.720 who have looked
00:30:48.140 at the data.
00:30:48.880 We know this
00:30:49.700 because Simone's running
00:30:50.440 for office.
00:30:51.120 That and the election
00:30:52.520 integrity narrative
00:30:53.480 which is totally
00:30:54.800 the hippie thing, right?
00:30:55.920 Can't trust elections.
00:30:57.420 Yeah, can't trust elections.
00:30:58.580 So, that is the new wave.
00:31:00.200 Yeah, I would say both.
00:31:00.780 It means you say that
00:31:01.480 all the time, by the way.
00:31:02.480 Yeah, so I'll say
00:31:03.240 the old version of the party
00:31:04.700 is going to kill it
00:31:05.560 and or the new version
00:31:06.920 of the party
00:31:07.340 is going to kill it.
00:31:07.860 Explain why the election
00:31:09.320 integrity will kill it.
00:31:10.480 Yeah, and we're seeing it
00:31:11.500 at local meetings too.
00:31:12.560 It's incredibly frustrating.
00:31:13.520 So, there is concern
00:31:15.480 about election integrity.
00:31:17.100 Of course, there are issues
00:31:18.320 with election integrity.
00:31:20.360 Everyone's cheating,
00:31:21.620 but there are limits
00:31:23.080 to how much you can cheat,
00:31:24.700 meaning that if a district
00:31:26.880 or an area gets more votes
00:31:28.400 than there are registered voters,
00:31:30.140 clearly voter Florida
00:31:31.060 is staying in place,
00:31:32.040 meaning that the amount
00:31:32.840 that someone can cheat
00:31:33.840 is limited
00:31:34.340 and the way that you overcome
00:31:35.500 that is by overwhelming
00:31:37.020 your opposing side with votes.
00:31:39.160 It's all about getting out the vote.
00:31:41.200 Unfortunately, what's happening
00:31:42.360 is in our area
00:31:43.800 and all around the United States,
00:31:45.500 Republicans that are concerned
00:31:47.080 about voter integrity
00:31:48.180 or election integrity
00:31:49.660 are going out
00:31:50.500 and telling people about how,
00:31:52.980 oh, don't vote at this time
00:31:54.120 and don't vote with this way
00:31:55.180 and this way
00:31:55.660 because people are cheating this way
00:31:57.220 and people are cheating that way
00:31:58.100 and here's all this proof
00:31:58.780 of the cheating.
00:32:00.080 People are just not going
00:32:00.880 to go out to vote anymore.
00:32:02.320 They're just, they're suppressing.
00:32:03.660 This is active voter suppression.
00:32:06.360 And honestly,
00:32:07.320 our Democrat right now
00:32:08.520 and our looking to like
00:32:09.800 mess with the,
00:32:11.760 this year's election
00:32:12.640 and get my side.
00:32:14.460 You would elevate these narratives?
00:32:15.620 I would 100% elevate
00:32:17.400 voter integrity concerns
00:32:18.640 among Republicans
00:32:19.640 from a native perspective, obviously.
00:32:22.160 Yeah, man.
00:32:23.860 Can't trust the booths,
00:32:26.600 the technology,
00:32:27.360 the internet, the Wi-Fi.
00:32:28.700 And I want to be clear,
00:32:29.620 we're not saying
00:32:30.180 that votes aren't manipulated.
00:32:31.560 We're saying that you can win
00:32:32.900 by overwhelming them.
00:32:34.320 Yeah.
00:32:35.080 But, and they are manipulated
00:32:36.820 in both ways.
00:32:37.820 Yeah.
00:32:37.960 There have been election fraud cases
00:32:39.880 on the right
00:32:40.560 that have been proven in the...
00:32:42.460 Everybody cheats
00:32:43.280 because it's part of,
00:32:45.000 when it's possible to cheat
00:32:46.300 without getting caught,
00:32:47.060 people are going to cheat.
00:32:48.180 Yes.
00:32:48.360 They're going to try, yeah.
00:32:49.300 Yeah.
00:32:49.560 But again,
00:32:50.320 the margin of...
00:32:52.120 I would rephrase that.
00:32:52.960 I would say
00:32:53.260 some people will cheat
00:32:54.600 when they think it's possible
00:32:55.680 to do so without getting caught.
00:32:56.740 Yes.
00:32:56.960 If you're talking about this
00:32:58.320 at a national level,
00:32:59.620 of course you're going
00:33:00.640 to see cheating.
00:33:01.820 Yeah.
00:33:03.360 Yeah.
00:33:03.920 And sometimes,
00:33:04.600 now keep in mind,
00:33:05.120 it's not like this is
00:33:05.840 some top-down order
00:33:06.800 from some Republican
00:33:08.520 or Democratic
00:33:09.540 high-up party operative.
00:33:11.140 Often this cheating
00:33:12.380 comes in the form
00:33:13.220 of literally like
00:33:14.520 older 65-year-old people
00:33:18.540 who care way too much
00:33:20.700 about their party
00:33:21.240 and have become totally myopic
00:33:22.540 and don't care
00:33:23.360 about the Democratic process
00:33:24.380 and start doing
00:33:25.120 a little messing with stuff.
00:33:26.820 But then there are
00:33:27.660 more organized efforts too,
00:33:29.520 whatever.
00:33:29.880 But the point
00:33:31.040 is that the cheating,
00:33:32.840 the amount of cheating
00:33:33.500 you can do
00:33:34.000 is inherently limited
00:33:35.500 and the way
00:33:37.240 to overcome cheating
00:33:38.340 is not to spend
00:33:39.040 all your time
00:33:40.020 fighting cheating,
00:33:41.000 which is going to happen
00:33:42.240 in a system like this.
00:33:43.220 There are going to be
00:33:43.800 bad actors
00:33:44.320 when it is possible
00:33:45.200 to act badly.
00:33:46.740 The point
00:33:47.640 is to overwhelm
00:33:49.080 that bad acting.
00:33:50.060 You should try
00:33:50.620 to fight cheating
00:33:51.260 where you can.
00:33:52.340 Where you can.
00:33:52.760 But you also need
00:33:53.000 to be realistic,
00:33:53.780 which is to say
00:33:54.940 that it is important
00:33:56.500 that in the way
00:33:57.320 that you are fighting
00:33:58.060 that you don't
00:33:58.840 disincentivize
00:33:59.740 your own base
00:34:00.360 from voting.
00:34:01.140 Which is what
00:34:01.620 the Republican Party
00:34:02.260 is doing.
00:34:02.540 What local,
00:34:03.420 very well-meaning
00:34:04.160 Republicans are doing.
00:34:05.620 It drives me nuts.
00:34:07.220 Yeah.
00:34:08.200 It drives me so freaking nuts.
00:34:12.140 Anyway,
00:34:12.940 that was really interesting.
00:34:14.240 I enjoyed the conversation
00:34:15.400 and I'm surprised
00:34:17.280 that despite the fact
00:34:18.140 that you've basically
00:34:18.660 had no sleep
00:34:19.240 in a very long period
00:34:20.040 of time,
00:34:20.780 you are somehow
00:34:21.240 still awake.
00:34:23.560 Maybe I'm talking
00:34:24.240 with a sleep-talking
00:34:25.300 Malcolm.
00:34:25.940 Maybe one day.
00:34:26.780 A little bit.
00:34:27.320 Well,
00:34:27.580 I'm not even drinking now.
00:34:29.040 That's how little sleep
00:34:29.700 I've had.
00:34:30.240 Oh, God.
00:34:31.040 That's bad.
00:34:31.940 I haven't had anything
00:34:32.840 to drink in days.
00:34:33.720 This is getting terrifying.
00:34:35.220 How about you hit the hay
00:34:36.040 and I'll make dinner
00:34:36.740 for the kids?
00:34:37.760 I love you.
00:34:38.520 I love you too.
00:34:39.120 Bye.
00:34:39.180 Bye.
00:34:39.240 Bye.
00:34:39.260 Bye.
00:34:39.740 Bye.
00:34:39.780 Bye.
00:34:39.820 Bye.
00:34:39.860 Bye.
00:34:39.880 Bye.
00:34:39.900 Bye.
00:34:40.000 Bye.
00:34:40.020 Bye.
00:34:40.360 Bye.
00:34:40.420 Bye.
00:34:40.960 Bye.
00:34:41.020 Bye.
00:34:41.860 Bye.
00:34:41.900 Bye.
00:34:42.020 Bye.
00:34:43.020 Bye.
00:34:43.960 Bye.
00:34:44.020 Bye.
00:34:44.080 Bye.