Based Camp - How Hosts Flip Gender Roles & Mentally Dominate Women

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, I wanted to do something interesting

00:00:04.260 because I was thinking about the concept of host clubs. And for fans who are not familiar with a

00:00:10.520 host club, a host club is something that's very popular across East Asia, particularly well known

00:00:16.220 in Japan, but also in Korea, in Taiwan, in Thailand, and in China. And it is a club where

00:00:24.480 women go to sort of experience dating with guys. And the reason I wanted to go deeper into this is

00:00:30.720 because they are an environment where the typical script that we are dealing with in dating is

00:00:35.600 flipped. Women are hyper desirable and the women pay and simp for the male's attention. And I wanted 1.00

00:00:45.660 to better understand how this sort of changes what it means to date, the strategies that are used,

00:00:52.820 what strategies are the hosts using to lock down these women. And as I started to dig into it,

00:01:00.700 I began to realize that the surface level understanding I had of what a host club is,

00:01:06.600 is entirely wrong. And the understanding that you probably have of what a host club is,

00:01:11.600 is entirely wrong. So I'll drop a little stat on you that might help you or reframe the concept of

00:01:18.860 a host club for you. So if you had to guess, for what percent of women that visits host clubs, 1.00

00:01:26.460 is sex work their primary form of income? My understanding is it's fairly high. So I'd say

00:01:32.200 maybe 30%. 80%. 80%. I heard though, that getting addicted to host clubs is the pipeline to sex work. 0.99

00:01:40.400 Yes. So host clubs as an industry, and the host clubs often manage the female sex work as well. 1.00

00:01:48.000 Oh, wow.

00:01:48.920 So the men at a host club are sort of like an intermediary form of institutionalized

00:01:56.460 pimpage, kind of?

00:01:58.220 Right. They're like honey trap pimps. 0.99

00:02:00.380 Sort of, yeah. The women go to the host club, and if you're thinking about the pipeline of money for 1.00

00:02:07.540 host clubs, hosts themselves are just an intermediary for what is a pipeline that is predominantly female 1.00

00:02:14.740 sex work, given that the core income, the money that's flowing from these women is itself coming 1.00

00:02:21.580 from sex work. So I want to know, how does this effing happen? How does a woman end up, 1.00

00:02:28.900 and a lot of women are fully aware of this as well, starting at a host club, going to a host club, 1.00

00:02:36.000 and falling into this pipeline, first of all. And I think you said something there that's really

00:02:41.260 important, and it's something that we'll get to in this, is host clubs are about creating an addiction.

00:02:46.000 It's about getting a woman addicted to a host. But what I also learned from reading,

00:02:51.500 because I was like, I want to read a lot of first-person testimonial, not

00:02:54.160 the Western personalization of what a host club is, right? And what I came to understand

00:03:01.060 is that a host club psychologically for the people who engage with it, the women who engage with it,

00:03:06.940 is way, way, way closer. If you're looking at like, what would be an American analogy,

00:03:14.000 something that you might have experienced with-

00:03:15.580 Oh, are you going to say gambling addiction?

00:03:16.780 No. A VTuber addiction.

00:03:20.800 What? Oh, interesting.

00:03:22.640 So specifically, a huge part of the host club is wanting to make your guy like the number one guy

00:03:30.920 in the club. Get him to the top of the charts. Get him to relevance. Very much like the way,

00:03:37.200 if you are unfamiliar with VTubers, people will have like their Oshi or something, right? Like 1.00

00:03:42.260 they're pushed.

00:03:42.880 No, I didn't know. So people are playing favorites against VTubers? 0.99

00:03:47.120 Well, so the idea is, is that when you have, now this is something that actually comes again

00:03:51.480 from Japanese culture that even the term Oshi does. But the idea is, is that you have a group or not

00:03:58.240 even VTuber, YouTubers more broadly, that you are a large fan of, and you want them to do better.

00:04:07.060 And to, to out-compete the other YouTubers, the other VTubers. In fact, you could say that our job 0.83

00:04:16.000 and our relation with our fans is probably more analogous to the relation of most hosts with their

00:04:24.540 guests when contrasted with other American professions. E.g. a lot of people. So obviously

00:04:32.100 we don't have any fans like this. Like we don't have any fans. And as the gold has actually talked

00:04:36.520 about whenever a fan tries to give a donation to him of over a certain amount, like a push to him

00:04:41.940 of over a certain amount, he always rejects it. Cause these like bad things can only come from

00:04:45.720 this, right? Like, and he says when female VTubers have had like fans go crazy and stuff like that,

00:04:51.940 he's like, they should have rejected the $10,000 donation. You know, they should have known better.

00:04:57.220 Because often these, when you actually dig into the, the instances in which you get these really

00:05:02.540 huge payouts and everyone's like, what's happening here? Who's the, you know, the furry who's

00:05:06.960 commissioning these extremely expensive furry arts and everything like that. It is almost never

00:05:11.060 a wealthy person. It is almost always a person going into debt.

00:05:16.900 Very often it's someone stealing from a family member or something like that. When I hear about

00:05:20.860 these often, it's that they've been stealing from like a, a sick grandmother or something. It's

00:05:25.700 horrible. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but the point being is that when you, and this is first of all,

00:05:33.160 very important to understand in this psychology, because you could understand these women as 1.00

00:05:36.160 victimized or something like that. When you go in and you start watching a VTuber who you really like,

00:05:42.400 right. And you may be aware from the little signs on their screen of the dollar amounts,

00:05:47.400 bing, bing, bing going on their screen that some people are likely donating to them in a way that

00:05:52.240 it's financially unsustainable. But you watching them, even when you donate to them, if you do,

00:05:59.260 I've never donated to a VTuber, but I, I, you know, I, we're sort of in an overlapping profession

00:06:03.620 here. When you donate to them, you don't feel like you're being exploited, right? Like you don't

00:06:10.760 think that they actually love you. Yes. There's a few like crazy people who think this, but the vast

00:06:16.560 majority of the people who are putting money into that VTuber do not feel like they are now they

00:06:23.440 realize they have a parasocial relationship. They realize that they want the VTuber to do well.

00:06:28.820 They even feel good themselves. If they saw the VTuber topping the charts sports team or something

00:06:34.860 like that. But there is not the direct form of exploitation that we might expect from a host.

00:06:42.840 So before I go further, just, I will note also, this isn't all the time. Some hosts really are

00:06:49.200 a pipeline to just brainwash women. And we'll get into those hosts and how they operate. 1.00

00:06:53.200 But for other hosts, it's more like this other pathway. And then you get the addicted women who 1.00

00:07:00.180 are the main source of income for the bar because they're just spending so much disproportionately on

00:07:05.220 the bar in the same way that like, you know, I think it's something like 80% of the profits in

00:07:09.700 almost any addictive industry, whether it's gambling or alcohol or cigarettes come from 20%

00:07:15.180 of the buyers. But any thoughts, Simone, before we go further, does this change your, your vision of

00:07:20.080 the, the sanitized host club? We see it or in a host club or whatever.

00:07:23.860 I've listened to some more bleak, sometimes slightly disguised first child accounts, first hand

00:07:40.640 accounts of host club, we'll say victims. So I, I already kind of expected this.

00:07:46.640 Well, I don't know. Oh, continue. I find it more akin to OnlyFans men, like men who end up spending

00:07:55.360 a ton on a woman via OnlyFans than I think anything else. And then that's, that's, that's pretty good

00:08:01.520 as well as an analogy. Like the man isn't exactly being victimized by the woman on OnlyFans, you know,

00:08:07.480 he knows what it is. She knows what it is. I will note here that you do see from after a person leaves

00:08:14.420 the host club world in ecosystem, they often attempt to reframe it as I was fooled into thinking I was

00:08:21.080 in a real relationship, but when I.

00:08:23.960 It's, it is a little different with these host club relationships because the men often do, I mean, one,

00:08:30.980 there's the physical connection and two, the men are often texting these women saying, oh, will you come

00:08:38.000 tonight? Well, you know, I'm really, I have to meet this goal. They're really pressuring me. They, they use

00:08:43.600 much more personalized tactics. No, no, they do. And another thing that I did not realize about

00:08:47.980 host clubs is it is very common in host clubs for the host to have sexual relations with the client 0.92

00:08:54.320 very early in their time together. So after just, so this is, this is really fascinating. If you

00:09:00.580 contrast male and female psychology, whereas a female who was like an escort or something like that 1.00

00:09:07.340 may increase her perceived value to a partner by not sleeping with them for a very long time and

00:09:14.360 wanting to extract more money before they sleep with them with women, because women psychologically 1.00

00:09:19.420 in print, especially sexually inexperienced women, this is something I experienced a lot 0.99

00:09:22.820 back in the day when I was sleeping around. If a woman hadn't slept with anyone, they become like 1.00

00:09:27.240 really devoted and obsessed with you. Often if you're the first person they sleep with or any,

00:09:32.500 it happens less if you're in like the top two or three people they sleep with. And it's because

00:09:36.260 female brain seems to be, you can watch our videos on how women who have a higher body count, 1.00

00:09:41.220 they lose this oxytocin burst, which causes this sort of like involuntary obsession,

00:09:45.220 but you do see this with women. And so what the host is actually doing here is trying to get to 0.60

00:09:51.720 that point as soon as possible with as little money spent as possible, not the most money spent

00:10:00.000 as possible. That's wild. Which is, I think, because it's, it's more, how do you get them

00:10:05.960 hooked? And for men, you don't necessarily get hooked after one sexual encounter. Whereas with

00:10:13.640 women that can be very foundational. Yeah. Wow. I hadn't thought about that element of it. That's 1.00

00:10:18.860 really interesting. Yikes. Rewriting their brain psychologically. And then another question we need

00:10:24.660 to answer here is why are host clubs only in East Asia? Why have they never been successful in the

00:10:31.160 West? Yeah. And the answer seems to be, we actually do seem to have an answer to this,

00:10:36.060 is this is my understanding. Okay. And it is that a lot of East Asian women have normalized and 0.99

00:10:47.840 romanticized Western sexual norms and gender dimorphic behavior patterns. And the host club

00:10:55.680 allows them to engage in that more. So if you look at interviews, it's something, what was it like a

00:11:02.660 huge chunk? I think it was like 80% of Korean women want to leave the country. And like, what if they 1.00

00:11:06.340 could, as an example, when we do our episode on Korea and when you watch interviews with them,

00:11:12.080 what a lot of them will say is their fantasy is going to a place like New Zealand or Australia or

00:11:19.200 the United States, white European men and marrying a man in one of those countries. And the reason they 0.95

00:11:27.520 have this fantasy is because of the level of misogyny that they believe that they will be treated with

00:11:32.520 if they marry a man was in their own country and was in their own culture. And the reason why host

00:11:38.740 clubs do not work in the West is Western men are on average, but we just act more like hosts do,

00:11:48.600 I guess you would say. We are nicer to women. And you will see this because as I read through this

00:11:54.980 and you hear the things that hosts say that are almost written about within some of these sources

00:11:59.940 that I'm going to be drawing from, a lot of them are Asian, as if they are diabolical to say this to a 1.00

00:12:04.860 woman. And you'll be thinking, that's a normal thing to say to a woman, isn't it? Like, you look 0.98

00:12:10.020 lovely today. I always look forward to talking to you. Tell me about your problems at work.

00:12:15.460 Oh, the porn for women from 30 Rock. 0.97

00:12:19.300 Hello there. Well, hello. How was your day? Do you need to talk? Because I'll just listen patiently 0.99

00:12:25.860 and say things like, she's clearly jealous of you. And well, it's his loss. You're a great woman.

00:12:33.980 You deserve a great man for just $24.95 an hour. Yes, please.

00:12:38.820 It's the yellow button, sweetie.

00:12:42.860 But the reality is that Western men, yeah, there's like a small portion of like super

00:12:47.760 misogynistic Western men who like train themselves to not act like this. But historically and in modern,

00:12:56.460 even in a modern parlance, Western men, this is the way that we are raised to treat women.

00:13:01.860 And so there's less of an appeal for that. If there was a bar where there were a bunch of male 0.99

00:13:07.460 waiters who said that stuff to women in the United States, women would just be like, 1.00

00:13:11.400 but I can get this from any simp, you know, like, why are you here? But anyway, to continue.

00:13:18.160 At the most basic level, hosts are young men who provide pseudo romance to multiple women for

00:13:23.980 sometimes exorbitant amounts of money. A host club visit is expensive and can cost around $30 per hour,

00:13:30.020 but this does not include drinks, which are often sold by the bottle with a huge markup.

00:13:34.140 The club where I carried out the bulk of my research charged 80 pounds per bottle of alcohol

00:13:39.200 that would cost 10 pounds at a supermarket. This is what makes bills jump. Women often compete for 1.00

00:13:44.580 their host's attention by buying more bottles of alcohol. And it's this system of picking favorites

00:13:49.800 that is the lifeblood of the host club. So very, very interesting here, right? Like what you're seeing

00:13:56.760 is a few phenomenon at play. First, the male host value is artificially augmented upwards for the

00:14:05.820 women because they see other women competing over this individual. And, you know, the, 1.00

00:14:11.180 the chef principle, I don't even think I'm gonna bother putting in the cliff here.

00:14:14.120 What's the Garmelik effect? The law of physics that states if one girl screams for something, 0.55

00:14:18.560 it will make other girls scream. And then it grows exponentially until all girls within a five 1.00

00:14:23.900 mile radius of screaming. So how do boy bands use that? All they do is make videos showing tons

00:14:28.920 and tons of girls screaming for the boy bands. Once you get girls screaming, you can't stop them.

00:14:33.960 They're crazy. Where if women see a bunch of women screaming over a guy, they, there's actually 1.00

00:14:39.480 great studies on this. So women will find men more attractive and be more likely to approach them

00:14:46.640 if they have a wedding ring on. Now that's an odd effect. Why do women do that? It seems like 1.00

00:14:52.720 it's diabolical. Because women are terrible. Women are terrible. The lady has foolishly attempted to join 1.00

00:15:01.920 the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of her own. See how the men look at her with utter 0.70

00:15:07.100 contempt. Women know your limits. No, but it's because, well, I mean, one, you. Well, it's for the, 1.00

00:15:14.240 really, realistically, women do this for the same reason why employers love to hire people from Harvard 1.00

00:15:21.940 or Stanford or Yale or some fancy Ivy League, because they know that someone else who allegedly

00:15:28.520 probably did their homework thought them worth accepting. And so they are pre-vetted.

00:15:36.240 And that's, I think, it.

00:15:38.020 But I think that there's a bit more to it than that.

00:15:40.900 Really?

00:15:41.260 When a woman is choosing a mate, which is what they are doing in this context, they are saying, 0.99

00:15:47.620 okay, what out of all of the males that I can see or may have access to, especially if they have

00:15:55.100 already given up on the idea of having exclusive access to a male, which basically, you know,

00:15:59.760 biologically, a woman at a host club has. She knows she doesn't have exclusive access to these males. 0.99

00:16:04.660 So she's saying, her body's saying, which of these males is going to produce a male child,

00:16:11.260 for example, because 50% of the chance their child's a male, that women are going to want, right?

00:16:16.560 And so if you see other women want that person's genes, you can assume that they will also want 0.99

00:16:24.560 the genes of your child. And so this creates that phenomenon. And something you can think here

00:16:30.220 is how can you, as a male out there dating, create this perception?

00:16:35.740 That dynamic, yeah.

00:16:37.740 And it's also part of what causes the sort of like flood of partners once you begin to get a few

00:16:45.300 partners. There was somebody in the comments who was like, oh, we all know Malcolm didn't actually

00:16:49.260 sleep around a lot. And so when you've like met my friends growing up, like that's a comical

00:16:54.020 statement. Yeah. But I can understand why people feel that way, because perceptions around what it

00:17:02.000 looks like to be somebody who has an easy time getting. Well, there's also just the general adage of

00:17:06.940 if, you know, someone is conspicuously talking about like, oh, you know, how wealthy they are,

00:17:13.180 you know, maybe they're not actually that wealthy, that kind of stuff.

00:17:16.780 Yeah. Yeah. But the, the, one of the phenomenons that was probably most in my favor and in play in

00:17:23.620 my favor was in the environments where I found it very easy to sleep with lots of people was they knew

00:17:28.940 I slept with lots of people and they knew that I was considered highly desirable and that my time

00:17:34.760 was considered highly desirable. And because of that, it's a, it's a, you know, a rich get richer just

00:17:41.780 because they're already rich. Right. Like it's, it's, it's like, you know, if a super rich person

00:17:47.440 makes a bunch of money in a day or whatever, you're not like, oh, wow, you must've been such

00:17:51.380 a genius. Right. It's like, okay, well now you're already at a stage. Like once you get past 15 or

00:17:58.180 something, it just becomes trivially easy at that point. It's the same way, you know, once you get

00:18:02.080 past your first 500 million or something, you're like, okay, now it's just coasting at this point.

00:18:05.940 Yeah. The more women you sleep with, the more numb you become to them. Ironically, that numbness 0.83

00:18:10.960 actually makes you more attractive to certain women because you finally act attached and calm

00:18:15.480 around them. So you end up in this weird loop because you get laid so often, you stop caring

00:18:20.200 as much. And because you don't care as much, you get laid even more. And that's, that's part of what

00:18:24.660 we're seeing was in this phenomenon. But to continue here, the first visit resembles a speed dating

00:18:32.360 event. You talk to a new host every 10 to 15 minutes. And at the end of the hour, you are

00:18:38.380 encouraged to choose one to invite back to your table for a longer conversation. From then on,

00:18:43.540 he is your shime or designated host, wherever you go in the club, he is the one you talk to.

00:18:49.020 It is a permanent relationship. It relies on the host, not just being attentive to his customers,

00:18:53.640 likes and dislikes, but also on his ability to mold himself into what she is looking for that evening.

00:19:00.040 He is responsible for her emotional well-being and enjoyment for the hour or two she is in the

00:19:04.100 club. So this is really interesting here. Don't you have to sign a contract after the first night

00:19:10.040 with one too? Yeah. So they often sign contracts being like, I won't go to other clubs. I won't

00:19:15.480 visit other shime. I won't. Yeah. Like you're exclusive with them after that point. Yeah. No, 1.00

00:19:20.840 no other man at that club can walk up to you after that point. You belong to him. Yeah. Which is

00:19:28.380 really interesting, right? Yeah. Because you don't see this in the male to female direction, 0.72

00:19:33.620 right? And you don't hear about this happening, say, at strip clubs in the United States.

00:19:38.460 Right. And it has to do with relationship, I think, from an evolutionary standpoint. The idea of a

00:19:45.400 multi-party harem in nature, like in tribes and stuff like that, is something you actually see very

00:19:51.960 frequently across human populations and is part of our evolved biology. Now it's pretty rare for a

00:19:57.840 successful cultural group to adapt this, but it was much more common in East Asia than it was in

00:20:02.380 the West. Specifically in Europe, cultures that adopted this were typically out-competed by cultures

00:20:07.540 that didn't adopt it. Whereas in East Asia, you don't see that as much. You do see a slight trend

00:20:12.180 of cultures that are more monogamous to out-compete ones that aren't, but you still see some non-monogamous

00:20:17.180 cultures succeeding. But in these non-monogamous cultures, it is always multiple women to one male.

00:20:21.960 Never multiple males to one female. Women really prefer, even when a guy has other partners, 0.75

00:20:27.660 that they have one male. And this makes sense because in that context, at least somebody has

00:20:33.320 some reason to share resources with you when you get pregnant, right? Like there is at least some

00:20:39.100 understanding of fraternity. If there are multiple males, there is no reason for anyone to invest in

00:20:43.120 you except for your already biological relatives. And in the rare tribes where a woman just does sleep 1.00

00:20:51.300 around randomly with whoever she feels like it, the role of father is typically taken on by her

00:20:56.940 brother. Because that is the male in the tribe who has the most certainty that he is a biological

00:21:03.740 relative to that child. Yeah. Which I think is really fascinating. Yeah. Now I'm going to actually

00:21:09.240 go here. I'm going to skip to something I had grabbed later because I wanted to go into what an actual

00:21:15.280 host said. Like how does he secure partners? Ooh. This is actually translated from Japanese. So

00:21:22.220 you're getting straight to the source here. Okay. All right. Okay. Exposed too. So this isn't even

00:21:27.280 like he was interviewed or something, right? This is just like what I do. And his picture was very

00:21:31.300 hosty. He looked like a host club member. What? Like androgynous? Yeah. Spiky hair.

00:21:37.560 It was like the glow filter that hosts use. Oh my God. Yeah. I feel like that this comes from

00:21:43.980 Burikura booths, you know, like print club, those little arcade games where you used to take photos.

00:21:50.620 They'd like all had that glow filter. It's such a thing. I could only imagine like the horror of a

00:21:57.060 strip club guy goes and the woman's like, okay, you're signing a contract saying you're never going 1.00

00:22:00.600 to go to any other strip club. You're only going to see me when you're here. A guy would be like, 0.99

00:22:05.740 yeah, no. No, I'm not sure I'm interested in this. I'll buy. Okay. Bye. Okay. When it comes to

00:22:17.160 hosting, there are tons of things to keep in mind, but among them, the most important is remembering

00:22:22.660 things. When interacting with lots of girls, it's impossible to keep everything in your head.

00:22:26.880 So I made a conscious effort to take notes on the info I drew out of each girl and memorize it.

00:22:32.700 People won't take an interest in you unless you show an interest in them. You see what I said?

00:22:38.140 Diabolical. That's really good. And it's, it's not discussed enough among say red pillars who want 1.00

00:22:45.580 to spin a lot of plates, who want to have a lot of side checks of like really maximizing their

00:22:53.180 addiction to the men because their approach is all just disregard, maintain frame, play the dread game,

00:22:59.500 like make them feel like you're just going to leave them at any moment. Whereas he's showing

00:23:03.920 more of the carrot approach, which is show that you're the one person who understands them and

00:23:09.200 listens to them. And oh my God, it's so, so underrated. And it's something that is really

00:23:17.560 the failure of the dread game. The dread game is very, very good to play. If you are looking for

00:23:24.780 one-off sexual encounters, if you are looking to get people who are addicted and obsessed with you,

00:23:33.440 the dread game is a lot less effective. And that's the point of the host, right? And you're actually

00:23:39.520 looking for something of an inversion of the dread game here.

00:23:42.120 And this is where men who follow the dread game or fall into all of this, you know, sort of overly

00:23:48.560 misogynistic red pill stuff, get a wrong perception of women that completely screws up their ability

00:23:55.300 to date. They're like, Malcolm, are you telling me? I've seen that women go crazy over like male 0.99

00:24:01.260 murderers who get sent to prison and all of these terrible men and everything like that who've done

00:24:06.420 these terrible things. You're telling me that they like it when a guy pays attention to them and

00:24:11.100 remember things about them and acts like he cares about them. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait,

00:24:14.620 do you notice that nothing you just said is contradictory to what we're talking about here?

00:24:18.960 Do you think these host club men who are manipulating women and women know that these

00:24:24.100 men professionally manipulate women into becoming essentially smex slaves and then sell them out 0.83

00:24:31.560 so that they can pay them so that they can win their little, you think these are nice guys?

00:24:36.300 You think these are good guys in a woman's mind? No. Oh God, no. When you look at the, 1.00

00:24:41.840 when I say, oh, women aren't really into muscular guys that much, if you look at the guys that women 1.00

00:24:46.700 obsess over on, say, Tumblr, people say, oh, oh, these tall, skinny, top hat guys that they all like

00:24:54.780 on Tumblr, they must be all saints. I'm like, oh, no, they're usually like demons and mass murderers 0.97

00:24:59.820 and destroyers of the environment. They're not nice. They're not nice at all. You have confused 0.92

00:25:06.180 your perception of masculine ruthlessness with the ideal female perception of masculine ruthlessness. 0.59

00:25:15.040 And a lot of men, well, we'll read through the full thing first. Yeah. You'll see like, wait,

00:25:21.840 is that really, is that how this insidious thing is done? So he goes, if you ask about something you

00:25:27.140 heard in the past all over again, it makes it feel like you have no interest in them, which is a total

00:25:32.520 turnoff. So before moving up, review your notes to avoid asking the same things about that. With

00:25:39.260 the info you gathered, you can decide on presence, sales approaches, aftercare, offsite plans, and so

00:25:46.020 on. So a few things to note here. One thing that is very common among hosts, which you would not see

00:25:50.540 as hookers, is offsite activities. Now we noted that they often have sex with the people who they're 1.00

00:25:56.560 seeing, but they will also do things like go to Disney World, go to bakeries. Oh my gosh, what?

00:26:01.420 Yeah. Do typical romance. Take you on dates. Yeah. Take you on dates in a very stereotypically

00:26:09.000 romantic fashion. Right. And this is much more resembles the acts. This is so odd to say,

00:26:16.060 but of a, a salesperson, a corporate salesperson. Yeah. Like I'm going to take you to a Mets game.

00:26:23.760 I'm going to take you to an, on a hunting trip or on a, you know, to the, a nice restaurant

00:26:29.120 because it's building that relationship and that like favoritism above and beyond logic. That's so

00:26:35.220 interesting. Yes. And something else that's really fascinating here is that they, what are they

00:26:42.040 saying? That they, very important. It's not just to remember her interests, right? Like I think a lot

00:26:48.700 of guys, they're like, okay, I need to remember her interests, but no, you have to remember the

00:26:53.500 conversations you have used with her in the past, because if you are talking and hitting up lots of

00:26:59.080 girls at once, which, you know, back when I used to flirt a lot, I would do, I would try to have a

00:27:03.900 policy of always be talking to on any given night, like at least three girls at a time. And this was

00:27:09.900 through multiple chat threads and you can easily develop sort of go-to questions to advance the,

00:27:18.100 either the relationship or just to, you know, for interaction and end up using your go-to questions

00:27:23.680 more than once with one girl. And any guy who has practiced high throughput dating is very aware of

00:27:29.800 this. With you, for example, Simone, did you notice me ever accidentally asking you the same go-to

00:27:34.500 question twice early in our relationship? Never, never. Because I took notes and a lot of guys don't do

00:27:41.280 this. They don't take time to take notes, right? So to continue here, if you ask about something you

00:27:47.980 heard, sorry, before meeting up, review your notes to avoid asking the same things and be careful

00:27:53.480 about that. And I'll note here with Simone, the day that I went on a date with her, that was my second

00:27:58.420 date that day, right? Like I was doing extremely high throughput dating. Now, ironically, so was she,

00:28:02.940 that was her second date that day as well. We were, we were in it to win it in terms of finding a marriage

00:28:08.440 partner or you were just looking for someone to have sex with for the first time, but I was looking for 0.78

00:28:12.860 a marriage partner back then. But we were both completely like, we have to make this happen.

00:28:17.940 And that requires extremely high throughputs, right? Which unfortunately for this generation

00:28:24.760 aren't as possible. And they need to develop new strategies on how to achieve that and to create

00:28:30.260 these psychological framings like the ones that the hosts do. So for me, I was able to create a high

00:28:37.320 throughput because on dating apps back then, if you just reached out to a lot of people, you could get a

00:28:41.580 bunch of people reaching out to you. That's not the case anymore. You swipe right all week and you're

00:28:45.180 going to get one or two matches, right? Terrible. Yeah. So you need an environment where you can have

00:28:51.560 directed outreach, like direct emails, direct LinkedIn, like et cetera. Like if I was dating today,

00:28:57.660 that's probably a lot of, yeah, a lot of people, well, I feel like five years ago, people used X and

00:29:03.920 LinkedIn a lot. I bet they still are. But honestly, I feel that the bigger trend now is people are just

00:29:10.800 giving up. Yeah. The bigger trend now is people are just giving up, which is sad. I tell you what,

00:29:16.940 I'd never give up. I was obsessive about this stuff. I mean, keep in mind the things I did back in the

00:29:23.760 day, the core thing I did to like get good was the reason I would always run a few chats at a time

00:29:30.860 and have to be very careful about not repeating things is because I used basically pre-written text

00:29:37.100 blocks with minor variations to fit that individual conversation to try to build was like a

00:29:44.020 statistical probability in my mind. No, I didn't like write out the statistical probability. It was

00:29:47.680 more just like get a feel. Okay. This chain always leads to this chain always leads to this to sort of

00:29:54.100 build branching conversational pathways that I could reliably steer to certain end states that I was

00:30:01.940 looking for. And there really is only so much like once you've run mass conversations over and over

00:30:07.500 and over and over again, you realize pretty quickly that, I mean, humans are a lot like AIs, right? Like 0.97

00:30:13.480 they are fairly predictable, especially normies. And there's a lot of normie girls and girls are even 0.96

00:30:19.740 more predictable than males, right? So as soon as you figure out the standard operating pattern,

00:30:25.180 and you then figure out the type that you're dealing with, because girls fall into like a few 1.00

00:30:30.520 archetypes, goal types, desire types, you can quickly predict whatever is going to come next.

00:30:36.740 If you have a high amount of pattern matching in the past to continue here with the info that you've

00:30:44.220 gathered, you can decide on presence sales approaches. Okay. Aftercare, we just talked about

00:30:47.680 that. I think it's really interesting how you, it's like, it's like sales. If you just bombed with

00:30:51.520 questions, it starts feeling pretty transactional. So you've got to watch for that. The info you draw

00:30:57.060 out of her is for getting them to know you are and deepening your relationship. So share about

00:31:02.300 yourself too. Like if you ask their favorite food, then share your favorite food as well. Something

00:31:07.340 like that and expand the conversation from there. And so he says the key pipeline works like this,

00:31:12.840 show interest, draw info out, get them to show interest, give info, remember, take notes.

00:31:21.520 He says, if you can emergency three things thoroughly, you'll sell to some extent. So try,

00:31:27.220 so give it a try as a reference. Not rocket science people. Oh my God, Malcolm. I, in my,

00:31:36.880 in my admittedly brief experience dating before I met you, you're the only person who bothered to do

00:31:43.080 that. Yeah. Did the, did any of the other guys, I think a lot of guys are like, Oh, a lot of guys

00:31:47.080 really do this. And it's like, no, a lot of guys really don't. They really don't. And this is why

00:31:52.840 also as parents, and I think this is important, even more important as far as we're concerned and

00:31:57.280 many of the people listening, perhaps you can give your kids such a huge advantage if you just teach

00:32:05.040 them this and basic etiquette, just like, cause it, it's not just, especially if it's a young man,

00:32:13.500 it's not just that it signals that they are gentlemanly in a very romantic way. It also

00:32:19.560 implies that they're wealthy, even though that's, it can be somewhat subconscious, but it's this

00:32:25.180 subconscious signaler of wealth that would, even without explicitly communicating to women,

00:32:31.020 even if you tell a young woman, like, Hey, I'm broke. I literally have no money. She will still 1.00

00:32:36.020 subconsciously see you and code you as wealthy. If you have basic etiquette and like this social

00:32:42.420 intelligence to ask questions and engage in real conversation. So this is actually incredibly

00:32:48.940 important because when you say this and men can be like, Oh, come on, that, that can't be that easy

00:32:54.720 to work. Look at the way that male hosts dress. Okay. No, like pull up and I'll put some pictures 0.97

00:33:02.660 on screen here. Okay. What men at a host club dress like and what they dress like is well-groomed

00:33:10.680 button-down shirts and suits, often ties. Oh yeah. Bow ties. Yeah. They're not dressed comfortably for

00:33:19.300 them. So, you know, like women, like the, the male equivalent of a stripper woman or like a woman 1.00

00:33:27.620 dressed as a call girl, like go, go boots, mini skirt, pushup bra, whatever. Right. Is a suit 0.68

00:33:35.060 and a tie. Like this is male lingerie. I can't emphasize this enough. A man in a well-tailored

00:33:41.900 suit is the sexiest thing. And I know it's maximum clothing, but like, then this is obviously it's,

00:33:48.340 it's interestingly so reversed. If you look at like a gay dating app, all you see is like 0.98

00:33:52.920 six pack torsos, like just cut off the head. We don't need to see the face. Like just show me 1.00

00:33:57.980 your abs and your muscles. But for women, it is like, no, just cut off the face. Just show me the 1.00

00:34:05.340 tailored suit. Well, and it's not just that. If you look at the hosts, they are trained to be

00:34:10.260 incredibly well mannered. Manners are incredibly important in securing a partner.

00:34:16.840 I think you can also tell that this is a genuine signal that is irresistible to women. When you look

00:34:23.060 at periods in history, where you see the huge spike in romance novel, historical romance novel

00:34:30.940 settings. And this is why, for example, the Regency era is so popular is you had not only a preponderance

00:34:38.100 of manners, but a very organized and active society in which people got together to show off

00:34:48.540 those manners. It was like this unique peak in human history where that happened a lot.

00:34:53.660 So it just goes to show like women love this and they will, they will jump to, to fantasize in periods 0.99

00:34:59.660 of history where it is more likely to be shown because they just want to sit in that, in that

00:35:04.420 moment. And I think that for guys who didn't grow up in an environment where they were taught manners,

00:35:10.140 they can hear this and be like, well, where do I learn this? You know, go to AI, go, go online,

00:35:16.420 research common manners, and keep in mind the manners that are going to impress a woman the most

00:35:20.720 are the manners that are directed towards women. So easy ones that I'm always surprised. There is one 1.00

00:35:28.160 that I explicitly don't do because I think it comes off as weird.

00:35:31.140 Up when she stands up. Standing up at the table whenever a woman stands up. That one to me comes 1.00

00:35:35.380 off as too much. But opening car doors for women is what, like a lot of people remember to open other 1.00

00:35:40.440 doors, but when you're walking to a car because you're opening your own door, a lot of people

00:35:43.860 don't remember, oh, I need to run to the passenger side first and get her door, close it, then get my

00:35:49.440 door. So one of my favorite books of all time is the Emily Post, like 1942. No guy is going to read

00:35:56.000 that. I know. I'm aware of that. I'm just going to say what she says in it because she's very,

00:35:59.820 she's very no nonsense and pragmatic about etiquette, which I think a lot of people wouldn't

00:36:04.940 expect. And you're describing like performative post sense cotillion etiquette, you know, stand

00:36:11.740 up when the woman stands up. It's really stupid. And it's based on old traditions that don't actually 1.00

00:36:16.360 make sense. What Emily Post trains people in and what you really should be looking at is what I would

00:36:22.100 call functional etiquette, which is just making, you could say human commerce or like human interaction

00:36:29.620 or people's lives easier, more transparent and more comfortable. So it's not about doing things in a

00:36:35.680 performative manner. It's about actually making someone's life more pleasant and easy. It's about

00:36:40.840 clear communication. It's about reducing stress and friction. So doing things like opening doors for

00:36:45.580 people is, is nice because it makes their lives easier. It's just, but I think you're forgetting

00:36:51.120 that a part of this goes back to what you originally said was it is a subtle and subconscious indicator to

00:36:57.720 women of wealth and desirability and class status. So even the pointless ones, like a good example of a 1.00

00:37:05.920 pointless one that's not really relevant anymore, but women do notice is that you always walk street 1.00

00:37:11.920 side whenever you're walking on a sidewalk with them. And it's important to also understand why

00:37:17.440 you're doing things because if a woman asks you, why are you doing this? And you explain, oh, I do it

00:37:22.940 because historically when carriages would rise through sewage, which was on the street, it could

00:37:27.920 splash the woman. And so men traditionally walk on this side of a woman and a woman appreciates that 0.97

00:37:33.300 because you're showing more than just like rope class, but knowledge that comes with class, right?

00:37:38.780 Well, also defenestrated excrement was more likely to fall a little bit further from buildings.

00:37:44.680 The, the secondary thing. And even your feminists who say, oh, I don't like, I don't like being 1.00

00:37:49.340 treated this way. They like it. They, they like things like that. Like a lot of men, I I've only,

00:37:54.460 I've seen it complained about more men saying, oh, I hold a door open and the woman rolls her eyes and 1.00

00:38:00.700 say, oh, I can do that. But I've never seen that happen. And both men and women, because I hold

00:38:05.820 doors for people all the time are always like, thank you. Like they genuinely appreciate it.

00:38:12.500 Cause as much as I, I am the ultimate hater of opening doors, which is why I bother to hold

00:38:16.980 them. Like if I, if I went through the trauma of opening a door, damn straight, I'm holding 0.88

00:38:22.600 it for like the next 10 people. I'm going to get maximum. Yeah. No, I want to go back to what 0.85

00:38:28.840 we were talking about earlier, because I think it's another important thing that men get wrong 1.00

00:38:32.160 in dating today. We've shown you how hosts dress. Simone, how was I dressed on our first

00:38:37.800 date when I was looking for a wife? What, what was I wearing? You're wearing a button down 0.90

00:38:42.280 Brooks brothers shirt with a tie and a vest from Ferragamo. Yes, that is, that is correct.

00:38:53.440 That was what I mean. You don't need to mention the brand. I'm sure. Did you notice the brands

00:38:57.100 when you first saw me? No, I didn't know. Like you introduced me to Ferragamo as a brand.

00:39:04.180 I mean, I don't wear anything fancy now. I only wore fancy things when I was trying to

00:39:07.540 attract a partner, but that's the thing that the, the, the, the peacocking one is the one

00:39:11.820 saying they're going to be doing less in the relationship. And I definitely pull less weight

00:39:14.860 than you in this relationship. But the point being is if you take away the brand names, what

00:39:19.120 I was wearing was a pressed button down, nice shirt with a tie and a vest and matching suit

00:39:30.660 pants to that vest. And you were wearing jeans actually. Oh, I might've been wearing jeans that

00:39:34.960 day. Okay. Yeah. Texas talks. That's your culture, Malcolm. Respect it. My culture. Right. But the

00:39:39.600 later after that, I, I, there was a period where I usually wore suit pants. But anyway, the point

00:39:43.860 being is that when I was trying to attract a partner for marriage, I didn't dress like this.

00:39:49.600 No. The outfit that you have seen me wear on the show is one that I adopted because it's

00:39:54.360 utilitarian and dad-like of the typical, you know, button down collar. And I wore that specifically

00:40:00.200 because of what I was trying to present to the audience I'm selling to, which is the Mr. Rogers

00:40:04.820 look is what I was going to. But then I realized it came off too lesbian-ish because lesbians have 1.00

00:40:09.420 appropriated that. Appropriated the dad look. And so now I'm trying to go 0.65

00:40:13.860 for something more medieval, similar to Simone's. I haven't got my medieval jacket yet, but I've

00:40:17.900 got my medieval style top at this point that I'm going to be able to wear with the-

00:40:21.920 To be clear, it's not a jacket. It's a gambeson.

00:40:24.180 The medieval. Yeah. It's like a armor thing that I'll be wearing on show. So now Simone and

00:40:29.400 I, she, she had the top armor thing right here and I'll have a armor thing. 1.00

00:40:33.000 Yeah. This is like a, just a neck-based gambeson. Gambesons are multi-layered, sometimes filled

00:40:38.380 with extra wool padded garments that existed more widespread before chainmail, but were often worn

00:40:45.580 under chainmail. Yeah. So I'll be wearing the medieval style tops. And I got a few different

00:40:50.100 versions of this coming with like light armor, similar to what Simone is wearing now. So that,

00:40:55.080 because people always ask, the reporters always ask, and I feel bad about it. They're like, why do you,

00:40:58.260 why do you dress your wife this way and you dress normal? They act like I'm forcing her to dress like 1.00

00:41:04.660 a medieval peasant. And I'm like, you're right. I should be doing it too. Look, I even got my

00:41:09.980 medieval style pants, medieval style midsection here. Well, I'll have to take a full body photo,

00:41:16.580 but I'm not only going to do it once we get your proper- My proper gambeson and everything. Yeah.

00:41:21.140 Yeah. It's, it's all about the layers. You can't really just wear something in isolation and have it-

00:41:26.740 But the, the second thing I wanted to note about these men that you see, and this doesn't look good

00:41:31.800 at all without a jacket. So I definitely need to get the jacket for it. It needs the gambeson. Yeah. 0.86

00:41:35.080 It looks a little too like BS-A without the jacket on top. Yeah. That's the problem with

00:41:40.120 anything. It has like excessive eyelets or metal or snaps these days. They've ruined it. Oh.

00:41:48.240 Yeah. This is, by the way, the style that's typically open right here. I just don't like to

00:41:52.480 wear anything open here, which is why it doesn't look as normal for a medieval outfit. But the other

00:41:57.960 thing I want you to note about pictures, again, pictures of host club members is what did they

00:42:04.760 physically look like? Because we, I mentioned this over and over and over again on the show,

00:42:10.120 and men who came out of the Red Spill diaspora are just completely blind to this. And they, 0.82

00:42:17.280 at a pathological level, refuse to accept what women actually go for, because they'll look at the 1.00

00:42:24.280 studies that look at what women find arousing. And it doesn't matter what women find arousing. 1.00

00:42:33.600 That's not who they want to date or obsess over. If you go to Tumblr and you look at the pictures

00:42:39.140 that women draw, right? It's what's the typical Tumblr's sexy man. Let's start with the basic

00:42:46.060 definition. Tumblr's sexy man is a phrase used to describe any number of characters that have

00:42:50.740 reached viral Tumblr fame due to their alleged attractiveness. These characters are often drawn

00:42:55.560 as skinny white anime boys dressed in formal wear, and more often than not, they're evil or at least

00:43:00.620 have a dark side. These characters include, but aren't limited to the once-lift from the Lorax,

00:43:05.300 Sans from Undertale, Raymond from Animal Crossing, and Jeff the Killer. To fuck. The phenomenon of skinny 1.00

00:43:10.680 white anime boys from cartoons becoming Tumblr's obsession began in 2012, but the ironic phrase

00:43:16.200 Tumblr's sexy man wouldn't be coined until around 2013 to 2014. By this point, the trend was way too

00:43:22.760 widespread and prevalent not to notice and comment on, and thus it was given a name and became a meme.

00:43:27.400 It's like a- The once-lurr. The once-lurr, like the guy from Hasbun Hotel, you know, the- the- the-

00:43:34.560 Sherlock and Watson. It's- it's- it's a overly skinny guy-

00:43:39.520 Lucky, yeah. In a suit with a top hat that looks a little fae and is like mostly evil.

00:43:47.140 Mostly evil, yeah. The sexy man in question is a character called Alistair the radio demon.

00:43:53.380 You know the drill by this point. Tall, skinny, bowtie, suit, sharp teeth, magical eyes, non-human,

00:43:59.020 edgy and evil and powerful, etc, etc. What makes Alistair interesting is the meta conversation that

00:44:04.620 surrounds his very existence. Is Alistair the radio demon? Bait. He fits into every single trope laid

00:44:11.540 out by the characters that came before him almost to a T. From the sexypedia wiki, quote,

00:44:16.460 he is infamous for looking like he was specifically designed to bait the sexy man fandom and then

00:44:20.980 actually getting it. Alistair actually wasn't the first Tumblr sexy man to be accused of being bait.

00:44:26.040 Black Hat, a character from the animated web series Villainess, has also been noted as fitting a little

00:44:30.980 too perfectly into the trope to the point where many are convinced he's either bait or parody.

00:44:35.600 If this is true, then Alistair and Black Hat may symbolize the next evolution in the tropes timeline,

00:44:40.600 the post-ironic Tumblr sexy man.

00:44:42.740 A lot of guys show that they just fundamentally don't understand what women like when they say

00:44:48.560 this stuff because they have learned what women want from male-dominated communities, which 1.00

00:44:52.560 don't understand what women want. They get part of it correct. Women do like the scary, 1.00

00:45:01.800 Machiavellian, sociopathic guy, but they want that with a dash of charm and skinniness and levity,

00:45:11.480 which is what's provided for them in a host club environment.

00:45:15.820 These guys are not good guys. They are the antithesis of good guys. In many ways,

00:45:23.540 the guy who sits down and meticulously draws out information from a woman to take notes,

00:45:28.860 to make her believe that she loves him, and she knows he's doing this, that is more Machiavellian

00:45:35.200 than the grumbliest of dread game Andrew Tate guys there have ever been.

00:45:40.160 And what's provided for them with the Tumblr sexy man.

00:45:44.280 Whereas you have a guy, if you watch a scene like this, and your takeaway is,

00:45:47.840 oh, that's Faye, that's lame, I would make fun of him. You've got to remember that women, 1.00

00:45:53.500 when they watch this, takes away, that's hot, I want to obsess over him,

00:45:58.260 which shows that you are optimizing around the wrong things.

00:46:01.500 May I speak now?

00:46:03.300 You may.

00:46:04.180 Alistair, pleasure to be meeting you, sweetheart. Quite a pleasure.

00:46:07.080 Excuse my sudden visit, but I saw your fiasco on the picture show,

00:46:10.380 and I just couldn't resist what a performance.

00:46:13.320 That's why I haven't been that entertained since the stock market crash of 1929.

00:46:18.280 So many orphans.

00:46:20.000 Stop. I'm not going to let you hurt anyone here.

00:46:23.080 Dear, if I wanted to hurt anyone here,

00:46:25.680 I would have done so already.

00:46:31.940 No, I'm here because I want to help.

00:46:35.760 No, but if you, if you look at these hosts, right,

00:46:40.040 not one of them is overly muscular.

00:46:45.580 Not one.

00:46:47.260 No.

00:46:48.200 These are the ones that have entire armies of women 1.00

00:46:51.260 that are prostituting themselves for these men to live the high life, right?

00:46:57.020 They achieve this without hitting the gym.

00:47:01.960 Okay?

00:47:03.100 Hitting the gym is for intra-secular signaling.

00:47:07.120 It is for signaling to other men.

00:47:10.320 If you're looking at the payoff you're going to get

00:47:12.420 from learning manners versus hitting the gym,

00:47:14.700 from dressing well, from keeping your outfit well done,

00:47:18.040 from staying well-groomed.

00:47:20.540 And note here, the other thing about all these men is,

00:47:23.820 do they look sort of metrosexual?

00:47:26.820 Do they look fae?

00:47:28.500 Oh, I haven't heard that word in a long time.

00:47:31.000 Yeah, but there's a reason why it took off.

00:47:33.000 It made it easy to hook up with people, right?

00:47:35.060 Yeah, what happened to metrosexuality, though?

00:47:37.660 My gosh.

00:47:39.320 Yeah, right?

00:47:40.040 It just died.

00:47:41.080 It just disappeared.

00:47:42.280 It was such a thing for a while.

00:47:43.920 It's crazy.

00:47:45.460 So, yeah, but the point I'm making is that that's the way they come off.

00:47:49.160 That is the way that these men,

00:47:51.420 who have basically enslaved armies of women, 1.00

00:47:54.840 look to the man.

00:47:56.640 It's not like a, most of them look this way.

00:47:59.380 I'm looking through pictures here of hoes. 1.00

00:48:01.980 I can't find a single muscular.

00:48:03.620 We're like a linebacker.

00:48:05.360 There's no beefcake.

00:48:08.760 It is, yeah.

00:48:11.240 It is stylish.

00:48:12.560 But I just, like,

00:48:15.260 and I know that I'll never convince, like,

00:48:17.120 your typical red pill men, like, 1.00

00:48:18.540 because this is the thing,

00:48:19.680 and this is why they don't believe that, like,

00:48:20.860 I slept around,

00:48:21.420 because they have these ideas around what women are actually after 0.99

00:48:25.300 that are just so catastrophically wrong.

00:48:29.060 And it's, and it's, I'll note here, 0.93

00:48:31.280 it is what women might disproportionately prefer for casual sex. 1.00

00:48:36.660 I could just, I can see how this happens, though, right?

00:48:39.160 That, like, you, you keep leaning into this, 0.64

00:48:43.880 the, the look that gay men find arousing. 0.92

00:48:47.360 Yeah. 0.53

00:48:47.960 And then other men find arousing.

00:48:49.360 And then, like, other men are like,

00:48:50.860 dude, yeah, you're so hot.

00:48:52.140 Like, why are girls not hitting on you? 0.94

00:48:53.960 Like, they're, something's totally wrong.

00:48:55.920 You got to try harder.

00:48:57.140 And then it just makes it worse, you know?

00:48:59.380 Because, like, all the men are like,

00:49:00.700 yeah, no, you're, you look great, you know?

00:49:02.700 But then, yeah.

00:49:04.740 When I was younger, in my teenage years,

00:49:06.200 I had a friend that was, like, in shorter than me.

00:49:08.920 And he would just be getting with girls.

00:49:10.720 And then the other girl would be like, 0.97

00:49:12.040 oh, I heard you hung out with her, right?

00:49:13.860 And then you see that later on in life, right?

00:49:15.900 Like, girls just would, don't care 1.00

00:49:18.560 if you reach a certain looks threshold.

00:49:20.260 Like, they'd rather share a better-looking guy.

00:49:24.000 In reality, they want something that, you know,

00:49:25.800 they're talking to a guy that's talking actively

00:49:28.060 to multiple people that they don't even know about.

00:49:30.440 And in this clip, you can see this guy is

00:49:32.780 misattributing why everyone is sleeping with his friend

00:49:35.800 or interested in his friend and not him.

00:49:38.080 He thinks it's because his friend is more attractive

00:49:40.300 when, in reality, it's just because he appears

00:49:43.260 to have more attention from other women.

00:49:45.760 Women cue to that so much more 1.00

00:49:48.680 than they cue to almost anything else.

00:49:51.660 And it's also likely because he's optimizing

00:49:53.520 around the wrong body type, as you can see.

00:49:55.720 I mean, and you can see, if you look at, like,

00:49:57.760 a great example is, like, okay,

00:49:58.880 what's the style of book that, like, only women read? 1.00

00:50:02.660 Oh, I know, Yowie, speaking of gay men, right? 0.99

00:50:05.800 Look at the body types in Yowie. 1.00

00:50:07.600 Oh my gosh, good point, yeah.

00:50:09.560 They are never overly muscular, or very, very rarely.

00:50:13.840 I mean, in Heated Rivalry, sort of the most famous recent.

00:50:19.740 That's the Western one. 0.65

00:50:21.960 I can't remember, though.

00:50:23.360 Well, one of them was Asian. 0.93

00:50:25.220 I cannot remember what their bodies looked like,

00:50:27.720 even though they were, like, in episode one instantly.

00:50:30.500 No, they're, like, athletic and toned,

00:50:32.480 but they are not muscular.

00:50:33.560 I don't remember them being bodybuildery.

00:50:36.000 Yeah, I remember, yeah.

00:50:37.840 Even then, because they were hockey players.

00:50:40.220 Hockey players should be more beefy, but I don't know.

00:50:42.580 What I'd say is, it's Chris Williamson,

00:50:44.720 who runs Modern Wisdom, right?

00:50:46.380 Yeah.

00:50:46.860 Yeah, he would be more muscular

00:50:49.140 than any of the characters I've ever seen.

00:50:51.380 Oh, by far, yes.

00:50:52.960 Yeah, so keep that in mind, right?

00:50:54.920 Like, and I think the reason why some men, like,

00:50:58.100 just so aggressively are, like,

00:50:59.800 no, this is not the case

00:51:01.080 is because the amount of effort and sunk cost

00:51:04.340 they have put into the idea

00:51:05.840 that the ultimate body type for women 0.97

00:51:09.260 for, like, longer-term relationships

00:51:11.060 is ultra-muscular.

00:51:12.580 And I will note, it is for some women. 1.00

00:51:14.240 There's definitely women with a fetish for that, you know? 1.00

00:51:16.140 But it is not the majority of women, right?

00:51:19.460 Yes.

00:51:19.680 And I'll note here, the point I was making

00:51:21.120 when you started talking was

00:51:22.380 that there might be,

00:51:24.480 in terms of, like, what a woman finds

00:51:26.080 in the moment arousing,

00:51:27.620 a preference for this very muscular type.

00:51:29.940 But if you're competing

00:51:31.180 in the in-the-moment sex market,

00:51:33.520 you're already in a losing market,

00:51:35.580 unless you're, like,

00:51:36.260 the top 1.1.1% of men, right?

00:51:38.760 So, like, don't put yourself in that market.

00:51:41.480 And, Simone, you said something

00:51:42.720 on one of the episodes,

00:51:43.540 it's a fan-only episode

00:51:44.800 that I think is really important.

00:51:45.920 And before I go further in this,

00:51:48.540 which is we were rating

00:51:49.560 different ethnicities attractiveness, right?

00:51:53.020 Yeah.

00:51:53.660 And you had this realization

00:51:55.580 that what you were actually rating

00:51:58.520 when you were looking at the men

00:52:01.000 is something scary just happened,

00:52:04.180 an intimidating guy just approached,

00:52:06.240 which of these men are you going to run to?

00:52:08.100 What order are you going to run to the men?

00:52:09.580 Yeah.

00:52:09.900 Whose car am I getting into?

00:52:11.560 Yeah.

00:52:11.760 Yeah, whose car are you getting into?

00:52:13.800 And that is how you determined attractiveness.

00:52:16.120 And a lot of guys hear that

00:52:17.620 and they go,

00:52:18.140 oh, that means she's going to run 0.84

00:52:19.820 to the buffest-looking guy

00:52:21.900 because that will be the best guy

00:52:23.160 at protecting her.

00:52:23.780 Yeah, and it's like,

00:52:24.200 no, that's the guy

00:52:24.920 who's going to beat me over the head 0.99

00:52:26.160 with a stick.

00:52:27.340 Yeah, because you're not that one.

00:52:29.180 Like a vulnerable woman.

00:52:30.740 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 They do not run to the buffest guy first.

00:52:33.560 They run to the guy

00:52:34.580 who in their mind

00:52:37.080 is the least likely to grape them

00:52:38.980 when the car door shuts.

00:52:40.600 Yeah.

00:52:40.860 And so it's often the most

00:52:42.320 bro-y, friendly-looking guy,

00:52:44.400 which in that chat

00:52:45.380 happened to be

00:52:45.980 the American white male

00:52:47.300 and then the American black male.

00:52:48.720 Yeah, they were number one

00:52:49.540 and number two.

00:52:50.160 I'll see if I can find that chart

00:52:51.180 and put it here.

00:52:51.680 But like, if you look at this chart,

00:52:53.800 you'll immediately see

00:52:54.760 what she means by that.

00:52:55.820 These are not the most muscular men.

00:52:57.380 These are not the most masculine men.

00:52:58.880 But even as a guy,

00:52:59.580 I'm able to look at this chart

00:53:00.260 and be like,

00:53:00.820 yeah, they look like

00:53:01.460 they'd be the nicest.

00:53:02.360 Like, they're the least shifty.

00:53:03.900 Yeah.

00:53:04.420 And what is it with Europeans 1.00

00:53:05.600 and looking so shifty?

00:53:06.640 Is this just like-

00:53:07.360 I don't know, man.

00:53:08.440 But like,

00:53:09.140 it could also just be

00:53:10.420 a cultural matching thing

00:53:12.200 that there's this intuition

00:53:15.280 that you are probably safest

00:53:16.740 with someone who sees you

00:53:17.800 as part of their group.

00:53:19.220 So perhaps intuitively,

00:53:20.880 a French woman

00:53:21.960 would be more likely

00:53:22.900 to get in the car

00:53:23.580 with the French man

00:53:24.300 because, I mean,

00:53:25.240 on average,

00:53:25.800 I think people are less likely

00:53:26.880 to commit crimes

00:53:27.640 against people

00:53:28.180 who are extremely-

00:53:29.120 But here's what shocked me.

00:53:30.640 But wait,

00:53:32.800 didn't you just say

00:53:33.600 that women like 1.00

00:53:34.420 murderous evil men?

00:53:36.120 And aren't there statistics

00:53:36.920 that show that

00:53:37.980 a lot of women 1.00

00:53:38.700 like the idea 0.71

00:53:39.760 of being surprise sex 0.51

00:53:41.820 or graped

00:53:42.760 in an arousing context?

00:53:44.820 And the answer

00:53:45.480 to these things is yes,

00:53:47.400 but you need to

00:53:48.000 decompartmentalize

00:53:49.640 what this means.

00:53:51.540 A sexual fantasy

00:53:52.660 isn't necessarily

00:53:53.980 what somebody wants

00:53:54.840 in a partner.

00:53:55.780 And just because

00:53:56.540 somebody looks like 0.56

00:53:57.280 they'll protect you

00:53:58.380 doesn't mean

00:53:59.480 that they don't look

00:54:00.240 like they would be

00:54:00.900 aggressive towards others.

00:54:02.460 So if you're talking

00:54:03.440 about the ideal

00:54:04.520 partner-partner

00:54:05.500 that many women 0.99

00:54:06.400 hope for,

00:54:07.220 it's this Machiavellian, 0.91

00:54:09.820 very sociopathic man 0.57

00:54:11.420 that cares about them 0.78

00:54:12.920 specifically.

00:54:14.780 Okay?

00:54:15.200 And if you're talking

00:54:16.020 about this specific 0.71

00:54:17.180 disposable sexual fantasy,

00:54:19.280 it does exist,

00:54:20.860 but it is more prevalent

00:54:22.080 in women who are 0.55

00:54:22.960 already being passed around

00:54:24.180 and have already adapted

00:54:25.160 the idea of themselves

00:54:26.680 as disposable,

00:54:27.600 and this is not

00:54:28.460 something that you

00:54:29.520 are looking for

00:54:30.280 necessarily in a

00:54:31.300 long-term partner

00:54:31.980 even for these women.

00:54:33.140 So while they might

00:54:33.760 sleep with a man like this, 0.85

00:54:35.100 they don't want to 0.59

00:54:35.820 marry them.

00:54:36.620 And you may be here 0.99

00:54:38.140 saying,

00:54:38.740 oh, well,

00:54:40.120 that's what I want.

00:54:41.080 I just want to go 0.89

00:54:41.780 and sleep with lots of women. 1.00

00:54:42.740 It's like, great,

00:54:43.380 have luck being a

00:54:44.160 genetic dead end.

00:54:45.340 And because you know

00:54:45.960 what the funny thing is

00:54:46.920 about Alpha F's 1.00

00:54:49.120 Beta Bucks? 0.73

00:54:50.960 The Beta ends up

00:54:52.560 cucking the Alpha 0.82

00:54:53.220 in that situation

00:54:53.880 because that Alpha 0.64

00:54:54.600 wasted his sexual 0.99

00:54:56.200 lifespan just F'ing girls, 1.00

00:54:58.180 and then the Beta

00:54:59.140 married them

00:54:59.800 and provided for them

00:55:00.920 and they had his kids.

00:55:02.360 Now, obviously,

00:55:02.920 it doesn't always

00:55:03.540 work out that way,

00:55:04.180 but it works out that way

00:55:05.140 more often than it works out

00:55:06.720 in the quote-unquote

00:55:07.320 Alpha's favor

00:55:08.220 in this scenario.

00:55:09.440 You know, 0.99

00:55:09.720 get your head screwed 0.93

00:55:10.420 on straight.

00:55:11.100 Don't follow the mistake

00:55:12.840 that I had when I was a kid

00:55:14.100 where I thought it was all

00:55:15.020 just about sleeping,

00:55:15.880 sleeping, sleeping around

00:55:16.920 because at the end of the day,

00:55:18.820 that doesn't matter.

00:55:19.780 You end up getting cucked 0.54

00:55:20.940 with every one of those girls 0.87

00:55:22.140 with whoever they

00:55:22.780 actually marry

00:55:23.620 because the point of sex

00:55:25.700 is children

00:55:26.240 and a long-term relationship.

00:55:28.320 And anything other than that

00:55:29.500 is just using

00:55:30.340 somebody else's body 1.00

00:55:31.480 to masturbate, 1.00

00:55:32.380 which is pathetic and sad 1.00

00:55:34.540 because often men 0.99

00:55:35.900 aren't even really using

00:55:36.920 somebody else's body 0.99

00:55:37.700 to masturbate. 1.00

00:55:38.460 They're using it 1.00

00:55:39.160 to validate their egos,

00:55:40.980 to validate their self-identities, 0.99

00:55:43.100 and that is really pathetic. 0.99

00:55:45.420 And I'd say this 0.99

00:55:46.080 as somebody who did that,

00:55:48.000 right?

00:55:48.240 I thought that that's

00:55:49.120 what my worth should be

00:55:50.180 when I was a younger man,

00:55:51.500 so I understand this perspective 0.96

00:55:53.240 and it is a pathetic perspective 0.89

00:55:54.960 and not one 0.98

00:55:56.240 that you should take pride

00:55:57.800 in adopting.

00:55:58.660 Funny sexual sort of dichotomy

00:56:00.860 I've come to recently

00:56:01.840 is arousal patterns

00:56:03.720 and how you relate to them

00:56:04.800 can be thought of

00:56:05.520 as one of three categories.

00:56:07.400 Either you relate to it

00:56:08.640 as a human,

00:56:10.000 and that means you're relating

00:56:10.840 to it for reproduction

00:56:12.260 and for the building

00:56:14.100 of a legacy.

00:56:14.880 You can relate to it

00:56:15.680 as an animal.

00:56:16.800 That means you're relating

00:56:17.680 to your basal animal needs,

00:56:20.320 in which case you should be treated

00:56:22.020 like an animal by society.

00:56:24.580 And finally,

00:56:25.660 you can relate to it

00:56:26.600 as something controlled 0.98

00:56:28.380 by a parasite. 0.63

00:56:29.360 These are the people 1.00

00:56:29.900 who go to orgies

00:56:30.860 and are constantly going down

00:56:31.900 on people and everything like that

00:56:33.160 and see our episode 0.97

00:56:34.440 on our parasites 0.99

00:56:35.860 making women hornier 1.00

00:56:37.040 where we go over

00:56:37.860 that it is now

00:56:39.160 pretty incontrovertible,

00:56:40.380 especially with this new

00:56:41.700 strand of toxoplasmosis.

00:56:43.840 We found that there are

00:56:45.260 some parasites

00:56:45.880 that are changing 0.99

00:56:46.660 people's sexual proclivities

00:56:48.340 to make them more likely

00:56:50.400 to want these sorts of,

00:56:51.800 you know, 0.93

00:56:52.280 group sex, 0.98

00:56:53.500 debauched sex scenarios 0.99

00:56:54.600 so that the parasite 0.98

00:56:55.380 can more easily spread.

00:56:56.500 And they're really just tools

00:56:57.440 as a parasite at that point. 0.84

00:56:59.220 All right.

00:56:59.860 I'm not talking

00:57:00.460 to that thing in your head.

00:57:02.780 I'm talking to Skara.

00:57:05.900 Nothing of the host survives. 0.99

00:57:08.640 Your friend had a feeble mind.

00:57:11.260 It suffered greatly 0.95

00:57:12.800 and gave in easily.

00:57:17.340 Okay.

00:57:18.280 Yeah.

00:57:18.540 I consider myself

00:57:19.420 as somebody

00:57:19.760 who's pretty racially based

00:57:21.920 about things, right?

00:57:22.960 Like, I'm not over

00:57:24.540 urban monocultured.

00:57:25.780 I'm not over...

00:57:26.060 You're not trying

00:57:26.940 to lie to yourself.

00:57:28.060 Like, you're not trying

00:57:28.600 to override your intuition

00:57:29.640 on anything for signaling.

00:57:31.380 I found the Black American male

00:57:33.840 in that looked safer

00:57:35.760 and left shifty

00:57:36.680 than most white European males

00:57:38.600 in that aggregate picture.

00:57:39.660 Yeah, but I think

00:57:40.380 Black American males

00:57:41.420 are more likely

00:57:42.180 to be

00:57:43.740 very, very mixed...

00:57:47.660 We'll say, like,

00:57:48.460 mixed race.

00:57:49.020 Like, the result

00:57:49.880 of biracial couplings. 0.97

00:57:51.320 So, he has a lot

00:57:52.820 more American...

00:57:54.460 But he shouldn't be more...

00:57:56.620 He shouldn't feel

00:57:57.180 safer than Europeans. 1.00

00:57:58.960 But Europeans 0.99

00:57:59.720 just looked actively shifty.

00:58:01.120 Yeah, but, I mean,

00:58:03.800 our branch of Europeans

00:58:05.320 left those Europeans 1.00

00:58:06.680 because they freaking 1.00

00:58:07.340 hated them.

00:58:08.180 So much so that,

00:58:09.580 at least in the early days,

00:58:10.720 they were willing

00:58:11.180 to probably die

00:58:13.340 on a boat

00:58:13.860 on the way

00:58:14.360 away from them.

00:58:15.620 That's true.

00:58:16.400 So, yeah.

00:58:18.160 I think that,

00:58:20.120 you know,

00:58:20.480 even a genetically

00:58:21.620 fairly distinct population

00:58:23.040 that then mixed

00:58:23.940 with the Europeans

00:58:25.160 who left the Europeans 0.98

00:58:26.320 we didn't like

00:58:27.000 is going to be

00:58:28.000 way more friendly

00:58:29.060 to us, you know,

00:58:30.260 because they're still

00:58:31.320 mixed with the

00:58:32.460 our flavor

00:58:33.220 of Europeans,

00:58:34.660 you know?

00:58:35.760 Yeah.

00:58:36.140 I don't know.

00:58:37.460 We're going to get

00:58:38.140 some dangerous territory.

00:58:39.140 Let's move back

00:58:39.720 to host clubs

00:58:40.600 and the exploitation

00:58:41.340 of women.

00:58:42.840 So, I have tons

00:58:45.160 of stuff I could read

00:58:45.960 here about it,

00:58:46.380 but I read it all

00:58:46.980 right before this

00:58:47.720 and I didn't want

00:58:48.280 to, like,

00:58:48.640 go over stuff

00:58:49.360 that you could just

00:58:49.940 read anywhere

00:58:50.700 and go through.

00:58:52.500 You haven't yet

00:58:53.280 explained how...

00:58:54.660 Okay, I mean,

00:58:55.140 you sort of talked

00:58:56.140 about the top

00:58:56.880 of the experience

00:58:58.360 for women.

00:58:58.820 So, a common

00:59:00.100 experience,

00:59:01.120 just to recap,

00:59:02.680 young woman,

00:59:03.780 you know,

00:59:04.040 has heard kind

00:59:05.020 of shady things

00:59:05.680 about host clubs,

00:59:06.580 but she and her 0.92

00:59:08.220 friend are going

00:59:08.800 out for the night

00:59:09.520 and they're young

00:59:11.340 college students.

00:59:12.020 They're kind of broke

00:59:12.740 and they can't

00:59:13.420 really afford

00:59:14.320 to go out and party,

00:59:15.800 but there's this

00:59:16.580 promotion at this

00:59:17.560 host club where

00:59:18.800 for, you know,

00:59:20.100 if you're the

00:59:20.720 first-time customer,

00:59:21.780 you can get drinks

00:59:22.580 for free that night.

00:59:23.240 I'm glad you brought

00:59:23.400 this up.

00:59:24.020 What is the actual

00:59:25.520 customer type?

00:59:26.280 Because you have

00:59:27.120 already shown you

00:59:27.900 do not understand

00:59:28.540 the host club model.

00:59:29.480 They say what

00:59:30.640 they are looking

00:59:31.340 for is desperate

00:59:33.260 women from

00:59:34.160 single-parent families,

00:59:35.640 not wealthy women. 0.97

00:59:38.400 Single-parent families?

00:59:39.720 Those are fairly

00:59:40.300 unusual in Japan.

00:59:41.820 Yes.

00:59:42.360 Well, they're not

00:59:43.080 just fairly unusual,

00:59:44.360 but when they exist,

00:59:45.820 the women are heavily 0.99

00:59:46.640 bullied who grow up

00:59:47.560 in them,

00:59:48.080 heavily stigmatized.

00:59:49.600 It's a much bigger

00:59:50.580 thing than in the U.S.

00:59:51.560 to be from a single-parent

00:59:52.520 family in Japan.

00:59:53.280 And so they're

00:59:54.940 looking for people

00:59:55.760 who are psychologically

00:59:57.200 very vulnerable

00:59:59.080 and even financially

01:00:00.780 very vulnerable.

01:00:01.680 They do not go

01:00:02.480 after wealthy women. 0.99

01:00:03.460 They do not go

01:00:04.080 after college kids,

01:00:05.180 right?

01:00:05.340 Like these are kids

01:00:06.100 and people who

01:00:07.260 have other options.

01:00:08.440 They want more

01:00:09.820 than money from

01:00:10.840 the person because

01:00:11.480 they have pathways

01:00:12.460 to get money

01:00:13.200 from the person

01:00:13.880 and get them

01:00:14.300 into the sex work

01:00:14.980 pipeline and stuff

01:00:15.640 like that.

01:00:16.340 Somebody who will

01:00:17.440 be psychologically

01:00:18.940 desperately devoted

01:00:20.600 for them.

01:00:20.940 They're looking

01:00:21.480 for the person

01:00:22.600 who,

01:00:23.300 they're looking

01:00:23.660 for the fem cell.

01:00:24.840 That's who they're

01:00:25.500 looking for.

01:00:26.480 And a fem cell 0.96

01:00:27.840 is,

01:00:28.480 I mean,

01:00:28.760 you're less,

01:00:29.180 if you've got

01:00:29.580 your life together,

01:00:30.740 you're less likely

01:00:31.560 to be a fem cell.

01:00:32.920 And that really

01:00:34.000 surprised me as well.

01:00:35.260 And not just that,

01:00:36.620 but the entire

01:00:37.480 host club model

01:00:38.620 is sort of built

01:00:39.960 understanding

01:00:41.220 how desperate

01:00:42.120 these women 0.99

01:00:43.200 who are the ideal

01:00:44.400 host targets are.

01:00:47.060 So they,

01:00:47.720 like,

01:00:48.080 you will often read

01:00:49.140 of,

01:00:49.740 like,

01:00:50.020 you may not,

01:00:50.940 assume that

01:00:51.660 this would happen,

01:00:52.200 but hosts

01:00:52.620 putting up

01:00:53.440 their patrons.

01:00:55.700 E.g.,

01:00:56.440 the women 0.97

01:00:57.360 go live

01:00:58.400 with the host.

01:00:59.180 Oh my gosh.

01:01:00.140 And they'll have,

01:01:01.100 like,

01:01:01.340 establishments

01:01:01.920 for them to live in.

01:01:03.120 And then they,

01:01:03.980 they sell them out

01:01:05.500 on the market,

01:01:06.140 right,

01:01:06.320 these women. 1.00

01:01:07.240 So,

01:01:07.740 because they're like,

01:01:08.680 yeah,

01:01:08.960 you live with me

01:01:09.920 and then they,

01:01:11.560 you know,

01:01:11.920 they continue

01:01:12.840 to be nice

01:01:13.400 to the woman,

01:01:14.040 they continue

01:01:14.560 to be sweet

01:01:15.060 to the woman 0.68

01:01:15.380 and they're like,

01:01:15.900 hey,

01:01:16.160 you know,

01:01:16.360 I need this

01:01:16.800 to get ahead

01:01:17.240 in the club,

01:01:17.960 you know,

01:01:18.620 all the other people

01:01:19.400 are doing it,

01:01:19.960 like,

01:01:20.080 all the other women 0.98

01:01:20.840 who see the hosts

01:01:21.640 are out

01:01:22.600 and sleeping around,

01:01:23.660 right?

01:01:24.220 Is this getting weirdly

01:01:25.440 into Andrew Tate territory?

01:01:27.900 It is very similar

01:01:29.040 to Andrew Tate's territory,

01:01:30.340 but it's funny

01:01:30.940 that with Andrew Tate,

01:01:32.440 Did Andrew Tate

01:01:33.480 convergently evolve

01:01:34.920 host clubs,

01:01:35.700 but just in a very

01:01:36.420 different way?

01:01:37.720 Not really,

01:01:38.340 because Andrew Tate's

01:01:39.440 core audience

01:01:40.280 is males.

01:01:42.440 Right,

01:01:42.720 but I'm talking

01:01:43.220 about his original

01:01:44.180 business model

01:01:44.960 before he became

01:01:46.320 a big time.

01:01:46.720 Yeah,

01:01:46.880 his original

01:01:47.420 business model

01:01:47.940 was host club-like.

01:01:49.500 Yeah.

01:01:49.620 It was just a much

01:01:50.940 less successful

01:01:51.780 early host club.

01:01:52.340 Well,

01:01:52.460 it was in a smaller scale

01:01:53.400 and he owned

01:01:54.140 his own,

01:01:55.240 we'll say,

01:01:56.620 establishment.

01:01:57.800 Yeah.

01:01:58.120 But very similar

01:01:58.960 to these male hosts,

01:02:00.540 he would seduce women, 0.97

01:02:03.160 form relationships

01:02:03.980 with them,

01:02:05.160 and then be like,

01:02:06.040 hey,

01:02:06.520 I need your help

01:02:07.460 with this.

01:02:08.540 Do this 0.93

01:02:09.360 sex work adjacent thing. 0.98

01:02:12.940 Yeah,

01:02:13.240 but he pretends

01:02:14.060 to be all,

01:02:14.820 so you've got

01:02:15.680 to keep in mind

01:02:16.080 was Andrew Tate

01:02:16.620 is a little

01:02:16.940 different from

01:02:17.340 host clubs.

01:02:18.340 So Andrew Tate

01:02:19.320 basically used

01:02:20.200 coercion,

01:02:20.940 like getting women 1.00

01:02:21.620 over,

01:02:22.100 taking their

01:02:22.460 passports away,

01:02:23.320 stuff like that,

01:02:24.320 making it harder

01:02:24.980 for them to leave,

01:02:25.900 importing women 0.99

01:02:26.500 from poorer

01:02:27.080 nearby countries,

01:02:28.460 which was why

01:02:29.300 he didn't need

01:02:29.980 to do the whole

01:02:30.680 acting nice thing

01:02:31.540 that host club

01:02:32.060 people do.

01:02:32.920 It's why he was

01:02:33.700 able to have

01:02:34.300 that undesirable

01:02:35.040 body type

01:02:35.800 from the perspective

01:02:36.860 of doing this

01:02:37.500 kind of work

01:02:38.000 that you so rarely

01:02:38.640 see in host clubs,

01:02:39.520 because Andrew Tate's

01:02:40.900 core audience

01:02:41.520 was always men. 0.74

01:02:42.580 That is who

01:02:43.900 he was ultimately

01:02:44.760 selling both

01:02:45.960 himself and the

01:02:47.040 women to. 1.00

01:02:47.960 And so I think

01:02:49.040 that he sort of

01:02:50.200 presents a poor

01:02:50.880 model here because

01:02:51.700 Andrew Tate doesn't

01:02:52.940 really win the

01:02:54.100 women he has

01:02:55.300 in his harem

01:02:56.660 in a fair market,

01:02:58.980 i.e.

01:02:59.400 he's not getting

01:03:00.340 them to come

01:03:01.020 to his house

01:03:01.640 off the street

01:03:02.260 and pay to

01:03:03.120 spend time with

01:03:03.840 him and then

01:03:04.300 eventually become

01:03:05.020 so indebted.

01:03:05.960 Let's also talk

01:03:06.820 about how they

01:03:07.220 become indebted

01:03:07.820 because this is

01:03:08.260 important too.

01:03:09.300 Okay.

01:03:10.320 Host clubs work

01:03:11.100 off of a very

01:03:11.900 easy,

01:03:12.580 and heavy

01:03:13.180 credit system.

01:03:15.100 So the entire

01:03:15.900 time you're there,

01:03:16.920 you are buying

01:03:17.520 on credit.

01:03:18.180 Everything at a

01:03:18.740 host club is

01:03:19.200 done on credit.

01:03:20.360 And because you

01:03:21.140 form a psychological

01:03:22.380 attachment to the

01:03:23.980 host, you're not

01:03:24.740 likely to run out

01:03:25.660 on your credit.

01:03:26.900 And I think they

01:03:27.340 also, you know,

01:03:28.000 get your information

01:03:28.820 and everything like

01:03:29.580 that.

01:03:29.760 That's the point

01:03:30.220 of the contract

01:03:31.000 and everything.

01:03:31.940 So that is how

01:03:33.580 women end up in 1.00

01:03:34.680 these huge, huge

01:03:35.440 amounts of debt

01:03:35.980 because they are

01:03:36.620 able to go to

01:03:38.300 the host club,

01:03:39.060 engage with the

01:03:39.500 host, sometimes

01:03:39.940 even after running

01:03:40.720 out as long as

01:03:41.660 they're paying

01:03:42.080 off their credit.

01:03:43.540 Wow.

01:03:44.440 So the goal of the

01:03:45.540 host club is to

01:03:46.160 put them in

01:03:46.780 like generational

01:03:47.700 debt.

01:03:48.640 And then, and

01:03:49.580 the other thing

01:03:50.040 about host clubs

01:03:50.560 that I didn't

01:03:51.000 know is that a

01:03:51.480 lot of these

01:03:51.860 women, once you 1.00

01:03:52.580 get in them

01:03:53.180 into the S

01:03:54.060 work pipeline,

01:03:54.860 they then ship

01:03:56.340 them to other

01:03:57.020 countries, like I

01:03:58.360 think like Monaco

01:03:59.000 and some other

01:04:00.460 places that are

01:04:01.260 like known for

01:04:02.000 sex work,

01:04:02.680 specifically to

01:04:03.780 live and do

01:04:04.540 sex work full 0.61

01:04:05.160 time.

01:04:05.460 And then they

01:04:05.860 come back

01:04:06.460 regularly, like

01:04:07.720 coming off the

01:04:08.400 oil rig or whatever

01:04:09.500 to see their

01:04:10.120 family, to see

01:04:11.360 their, their

01:04:11.980 host.

01:04:13.740 So, you know, it

01:04:14.720 starts psychologically

01:04:15.740 vulnerable woman,

01:04:17.160 get her into debt,

01:04:18.520 get her psychologically 0.73

01:04:19.460 obsessed with the

01:04:20.200 host, then have the

01:04:21.920 host be the one

01:04:22.500 person who is like

01:04:23.400 really nice to

01:04:24.100 them.

01:04:24.400 And that's the

01:04:25.100 thing about the

01:04:25.580 host.

01:04:25.900 They are always

01:04:27.180 really nice to

01:04:28.460 them, even after

01:04:29.820 they, you do get

01:04:31.300 some domestic

01:04:31.880 violence and some

01:04:32.600 that I've heard

01:04:33.000 of, but it, but

01:04:33.680 it seems rare.

01:04:34.380 It seems like the

01:04:35.440 strategy is actually

01:04:36.360 send them out for

01:04:37.760 S work so that all 1.00

01:04:39.100 the other men

01:04:39.580 they're around are 0.78

01:04:40.440 mean and exploitative 0.89

01:04:42.400 of them.

01:04:43.300 And there's this one

01:04:44.280 psychological spot in

01:04:45.440 their head is, but

01:04:46.080 there's the one nice

01:04:47.100 guy, right?

01:04:48.240 And how can I even

01:04:49.400 hate him?

01:04:49.900 He's doing the same

01:04:50.580 type of work I'm

01:04:51.260 doing.

01:04:52.440 He's that one spot

01:04:53.460 of warmth in your

01:04:54.100 life.

01:04:54.400 That's so sad.

01:04:57.140 Especially given

01:04:58.080 what you said, if

01:04:59.040 they disproportionately

01:04:59.900 target young women

01:05:02.500 who came from

01:05:04.340 more vulnerable

01:05:05.200 families and were

01:05:06.040 bullied throughout

01:05:06.800 their lives.

01:05:07.360 So this is one of

01:05:08.620 those few people who

01:05:09.500 love bombs them.

01:05:10.600 And then.

01:05:11.500 But I mean, if you

01:05:13.200 see it from the male

01:05:13.840 perspective, it's a

01:05:14.860 lot less sad because

01:05:15.980 these women had the 0.99

01:05:18.120 choice to choose a

01:05:20.640 regular man, right?

01:05:22.260 They had the choice

01:05:23.300 to approach a guy to

01:05:25.380 try dating a guy.

01:05:26.620 And they did it.

01:05:27.980 They did.

01:05:28.240 Dating culture in

01:05:29.220 Japan is so messy 1.00

01:05:30.600 though. 0.79

01:05:30.960 It's very hard, but

01:05:33.120 it's still their

01:05:33.820 responsibility.

01:05:35.200 Dating culture

01:05:35.800 everywhere is messy.

01:05:36.900 Dating culture in the

01:05:37.560 United States is messy

01:05:38.580 now.

01:05:39.040 Dating is always hard.

01:05:40.500 It's true.

01:05:42.080 And so I hear what

01:05:44.000 you're saying there, but

01:05:44.900 it doesn't for me

01:05:45.900 excuse them.

01:05:46.620 They need to go out.

01:05:47.380 They need to handle

01:05:47.880 this.

01:05:48.720 And they there is some

01:05:50.660 poor Japanese incel out 0.87

01:05:52.860 there because of their

01:05:54.060 decisions to not go out

01:05:56.440 and have a normal

01:05:57.080 relationship with

01:05:57.880 somebody.

01:05:58.240 to aspire to a guy

01:06:01.020 who is likely

01:06:02.280 significantly more

01:06:03.480 attractive than what

01:06:04.460 they can get in a real

01:06:05.660 sexual marketplace.

01:06:07.040 Instead of finding a

01:06:08.380 guy who's a fixer upper

01:06:09.380 and help him learn

01:06:10.180 manners, help him learn

01:06:11.220 to dress nicer, clean

01:06:12.340 up more, et cetera.

01:06:13.720 Build your own host.

01:06:16.980 Yeah, no one seems to

01:06:18.120 want to do that work

01:06:18.980 anymore.

01:06:19.880 The other thing, by the

01:06:20.680 way, that people will

01:06:21.200 notice about hosts before

01:06:22.120 I go on is they almost

01:06:23.460 always have long

01:06:24.100 hair, which I think

01:06:27.660 take from that what you

01:06:28.680 will, but yeah, they

01:06:29.460 usually have, when I say

01:06:30.780 long hair, I mean like

01:06:31.840 to hear it's that, you

01:06:33.940 know, the Japanese look

01:06:35.300 right with the longer

01:06:36.120 hair.

01:06:36.620 Yeah.

01:06:37.180 Yeah.

01:06:37.820 I think that's more of a

01:06:39.040 cultural thing than any

01:06:40.200 kind of universal truth

01:06:41.400 though.

01:06:41.860 Don't you think?

01:06:43.980 No, because I'm looking

01:06:44.880 here and it appears, okay,

01:06:45.800 let's see.

01:06:46.300 I looked at Japanese

01:06:47.340 host club.

01:06:47.780 Let's look up Korean 1.00

01:06:48.560 host club.

01:06:49.140 See if they keep the

01:06:50.000 long hair.

01:06:51.300 Yeah.

01:06:51.540 All long hair.

01:06:53.200 Okay.

01:06:53.460 Let's look up Chinese 1.00

01:06:54.240 host club.

01:06:54.760 Maybe, maybe they won't

01:06:55.680 have long hair there.

01:06:57.100 Nope.

01:06:57.600 Long hair again.

01:06:58.740 And in, in, in Korean

01:06:59.820 and Japanese, it's even

01:07:00.580 more that they're in

01:07:01.540 suits.

01:07:02.160 So yeah.

01:07:02.840 Well, recall the

01:07:03.460 research that had me

01:07:04.720 cut off my hair in the

01:07:05.600 first place that found

01:07:06.720 that both men and

01:07:07.680 women are seen as more 1.00

01:07:10.580 attractive and more

01:07:11.660 approachable when they

01:07:12.560 have long hair.

01:07:13.720 And that women and 1.00

01:07:15.920 men are seen as more

01:07:16.740 competent, but less

01:07:17.800 attractive and

01:07:18.440 approachable with short

01:07:19.380 hair.

01:07:19.800 So yeah.

01:07:20.600 You know, Jesus

01:07:21.480 hair, attractive,

01:07:23.180 approachable, Fabio

01:07:24.200 hair, attractive and

01:07:25.200 approachable.

01:07:25.620 This even shows up with

01:07:26.620 Western archetypes, I'm

01:07:27.640 saying.

01:07:28.920 Yeah.

01:07:29.340 But I think host clubs

01:07:30.660 are interesting to study

01:07:31.520 and interesting to think

01:07:32.320 about to one, understand

01:07:33.420 what dynamics are like

01:07:34.420 when you flip the

01:07:35.100 script, but also to,

01:07:36.640 to understand like what

01:07:38.040 actually works with

01:07:39.140 women, right? 1.00

01:07:40.180 Because there's a lot of

01:07:40.960 perceptions of what

01:07:41.680 works for women that 0.58

01:07:43.120 are just wrong and

01:07:46.100 created by, frankly,

01:07:47.340 where did men even get

01:07:49.700 the idea that women 0.86

01:07:50.640 want these super

01:07:51.340 muscular men.

01:07:52.040 I think they got the

01:07:53.460 idea because they were

01:07:55.020 listening to influencers

01:07:56.320 that needed to sell to a 0.82

01:07:59.420 insecure male audience.

01:08:01.280 And if you are a male

01:08:02.720 influencer selling to an

01:08:04.200 insecure male audience,

01:08:05.940 that audience is going to

01:08:08.300 disproportionately prefer

01:08:09.560 influencers who look

01:08:10.900 physically strong.

01:08:12.280 I, I moderate that a

01:08:14.220 little bit.

01:08:14.660 I think it's more that

01:08:15.640 when you feel vulnerable

01:08:16.720 and you're looking for

01:08:17.620 advice on dating, you

01:08:19.260 feel less comfortable

01:08:20.360 turning to people of the

01:08:21.460 opposite sex and you 0.69

01:08:23.220 turn to your own kind 0.98

01:08:24.360 and they're more likely

01:08:26.140 to not be able to model

01:08:27.960 the opposite sex very 1.00

01:08:29.120 well.

01:08:29.600 So they just do what

01:08:30.720 they think would be

01:08:31.700 attractive.

01:08:32.220 And for men, that's,

01:08:33.660 oh, look muscular and

01:08:34.900 look at female influencers

01:08:36.180 who are talking about

01:08:37.240 aesthetics and appearance.

01:08:38.460 They're really ultimately

01:08:39.680 optimizing for a female 1.00

01:08:41.140 audience.

01:08:41.940 And it's all about the

01:08:42.600 makeup and the styling

01:08:43.760 and the hair.

01:08:44.280 Men do not care. 1.00

01:08:46.680 They do not care.

01:08:47.700 So it's, this is endemic

01:08:49.840 with both sides of the

01:08:51.960 equation.

01:08:52.960 Yeah.

01:08:53.200 You, you, you actually

01:08:54.100 make a, yeah, this is

01:08:54.840 not a male fault, but

01:08:56.580 yeah, be aware of, of

01:08:58.260 where this comes from.

01:08:59.780 Um, what you look, the

01:09:02.420 other thing to note about

01:09:03.780 being super muscular,

01:09:04.700 which I think a lot of

01:09:05.800 guys do not realize is it

01:09:07.680 codes as poor and low

01:09:09.220 class.

01:09:09.760 Yeah.

01:09:10.740 It does.

01:09:11.300 It's, it's, it's very

01:09:12.040 much the male version of

01:09:13.300 having like a long,

01:09:14.160 long nails and big 1.00

01:09:15.340 boobs. 1.00

01:09:15.820 Yeah.

01:09:16.320 Yeah.

01:09:17.300 Sorry.

01:09:18.700 Sorry.

01:09:19.820 Sorry.

01:09:20.360 Sorry.

01:09:20.680 We're sorry.

01:09:21.900 Although, I mean, of

01:09:22.700 course I'm not because

01:09:23.460 you know, we're, we're

01:09:24.300 going to get so much

01:09:24.880 heat in this.

01:09:25.360 People are going to be

01:09:25.760 like, Oh, Malcolm,

01:09:27.400 you're just saying this

01:09:28.520 cause something, something

01:09:29.980 something, something, but

01:09:30.480 hurt.

01:09:30.840 You don't live to go to

01:09:31.660 the gym.

01:09:32.420 You're never going to

01:09:33.320 know, no, honestly, you

01:09:36.080 do more crunches daily, just

01:09:37.980 flexing your abs in

01:09:39.480 anticipation of one of our

01:09:40.580 children randomly punching

01:09:41.840 you out of nowhere than the

01:09:43.600 average man who goes to the

01:09:44.860 gym regularly does.

01:09:45.900 You're carrying our

01:09:47.040 children up and down

01:09:48.020 multiple flights of stairs.

01:09:49.300 But the point being Simone

01:09:52.200 is, and for the guys who

01:09:54.020 think like I'm making up

01:09:56.320 that I used to sleep a

01:09:57.360 little, you like met the

01:09:58.740 women you've met my

01:09:59.680 friends growing up, Simone.

01:10:01.380 Like, am I faking this at

01:10:02.680 all?

01:10:03.100 I know you're not faking

01:10:04.120 it.

01:10:04.440 You don't need to convince

01:10:05.320 them.

01:10:05.700 I know you're like, I

01:10:07.520 don't like being a liar

01:10:09.620 about.

01:10:10.060 I know.

01:10:10.640 I know.

01:10:11.220 Yeah.

01:10:11.680 Cause we, and there's

01:10:13.020 like no way I can prove

01:10:14.580 it other than what you

01:10:15.620 have observed.

01:10:16.640 Well, I mean, yeah.

01:10:17.600 Or naming names, which

01:10:18.980 would be really abusive.

01:10:20.900 That would be a terrible

01:10:21.800 thing to do.

01:10:22.880 Yes.

01:10:23.520 You don't kiss and tell

01:10:24.880 people.

01:10:25.460 But yes, I can attest to

01:10:27.340 the fact it was so bad that

01:10:29.000 when I dated Malcolm in

01:10:30.240 San Francisco, like we

01:10:31.940 couldn't go to a party

01:10:32.860 without coming across

01:10:33.740 people that, you know,

01:10:37.060 you had encountered

01:10:38.140 already.

01:10:38.760 Not that they had

01:10:39.520 negative impressions.

01:10:40.440 It was just weird, I

01:10:44.040 guess, you know, like.

01:10:46.820 We'd go to a random

01:10:47.800 event and they'd be like,

01:10:48.960 oh, it's Malcolm.

01:10:50.280 But yeah, the, the

01:10:51.280 point being is the, the

01:10:53.520 reason I mentioned it is

01:10:54.520 in an episode like this

01:10:55.860 or in the episode where I

01:10:56.840 did mention it, cause I

01:10:57.400 was talking about like

01:10:58.180 differences in population

01:10:59.300 sexually is I try to

01:11:00.900 mention it when it is

01:11:01.740 germane to what I am

01:11:02.980 talking about.

01:11:03.700 Like if I'm here saying

01:11:04.580 this is how you actually

01:11:06.220 secure women, this is how 1.00

01:11:07.700 you actually get women 1.00

01:11:08.520 obsessed with you.

01:11:09.400 And I'm just saying that

01:11:10.620 as like a random guy

01:11:11.820 talking, you know, that's 1.00

01:11:13.680 that, that's a foolish 0.98

01:11:15.260 thing to say.

01:11:16.120 When, when anyone gives

01:11:17.100 advice, it's important that

01:11:18.400 they explain the reason

01:11:20.980 or the position from

01:11:22.260 which they give that

01:11:23.620 advice, because anyone's

01:11:25.280 advice is going to get

01:11:26.460 you to where they are.

01:11:27.800 Right.

01:11:28.340 So, you know, this is

01:11:29.460 why so many people who

01:11:30.520 go talk with a life

01:11:32.220 coach end up wanting to

01:11:33.260 be a life coach.

01:11:34.020 You need to know, like

01:11:35.280 is, is a chiropractor

01:11:37.420 going to be giving you

01:11:38.540 advice about your health?

01:11:39.460 Cause I bet it's going

01:11:40.540 to involve going to

01:11:41.340 more chiropractors.

01:11:42.980 And yeah, if you're

01:11:44.320 talking to a guy who's

01:11:45.640 not married and never

01:11:47.280 has been, or who's been

01:11:48.380 divorced multiple times

01:11:49.560 for advice on marriage,

01:11:50.980 maybe not.

01:11:52.400 And so it's important

01:11:53.020 for those who want to,

01:11:54.240 to secure many sexual

01:11:55.940 partners.

01:11:57.200 It's helpful, but it's

01:11:59.880 also important, I think,

01:12:01.120 and this is another

01:12:01.900 reason why I think it's

01:12:02.720 helpful for you to talk

01:12:03.620 about your history and

01:12:04.620 what your experience is,

01:12:05.900 because your advice is

01:12:07.040 not necessarily relevant

01:12:08.680 to say a mid, like a

01:12:11.580 thirties plus man.

01:12:13.160 Your advice is relevant

01:12:14.600 to a young man in

01:12:16.180 college or below,

01:12:17.540 because after that

01:12:18.840 point you were coupled,

01:12:20.140 you don't know what

01:12:20.920 it's like to date as a

01:12:22.540 professionally successful

01:12:23.700 man, dating slightly

01:12:25.440 older women. 0.97

01:12:26.480 You only know what it's

01:12:27.340 like to date women who

01:12:28.480 are basically college age

01:12:30.000 or below.

01:12:31.280 And that's, I have, I

01:12:32.260 have no idea.

01:12:33.080 I have not done

01:12:33.760 significant dating after

01:12:35.080 college, except for

01:12:35.960 marriage.

01:12:36.320 We think it's like

01:12:37.460 marriage being the goal.

01:12:39.000 Yeah.

01:12:39.200 And so we don't pretend

01:12:40.460 that, you know, Malcolm's

01:12:41.660 experience is relevant to

01:12:42.860 everyone either.

01:12:43.640 Or, or that it's

01:12:44.580 relevant within the

01:12:45.320 current dating app

01:12:46.440 ecosystem, which I

01:12:47.220 often flagged, but

01:12:48.060 people are like, well,

01:12:48.640 then why, like, why

01:12:49.660 do you mention it in

01:12:50.080 the same way that like,

01:12:50.660 I haven't mentioned in

01:12:51.420 this episode, something I

01:12:52.260 frequently mentioned when

01:12:53.040 we're talking about elite

01:12:53.800 culture, our connections

01:12:55.000 to secret societies,

01:12:55.920 because that's not

01:12:56.900 relevant to this topic.

01:12:57.920 But when we're talking

01:12:58.720 about elite culture, it

01:12:59.560 is relevant.

01:13:00.080 So I do have to mention

01:13:01.120 it so that, you know,

01:13:02.160 that I'm not just 0.99

01:13:02.680 speaking out my butt 0.99

01:13:03.940 when I'm like, this is 0.99

01:13:04.720 what people do in these

01:13:05.740 sorts of events.

01:13:06.920 It's just, this is the

01:13:08.200 one thing.

01:13:08.980 It's weirdly, so many

01:13:10.040 people talk about these

01:13:11.080 elite societies and

01:13:12.040 they've no actual

01:13:14.520 firsthand experience with

01:13:15.900 them, which is just

01:13:16.980 questionable, you know,

01:13:18.160 it doesn't.

01:13:19.320 Yeah.

01:13:19.720 Well, there's many

01:13:20.360 things that I have no

01:13:21.160 experience with.

01:13:21.760 Like if I was telling

01:13:22.560 you guys how to get

01:13:23.240 like a normal job.

01:13:24.680 Yeah.

01:13:24.800 Or how to navigate a

01:13:25.720 large bureaucracy.

01:13:27.620 Don't ask us.

01:13:29.320 No, we cannot help you.

01:13:31.000 I am so sorry.

01:13:32.340 Yeah.

01:13:32.700 It's not going to come

01:13:33.480 from us.

01:13:34.880 Or how to, how to get

01:13:36.460 us, I don't know,

01:13:38.580 multiple wives or

01:13:39.440 something.

01:13:39.700 I've never done that.

01:13:40.440 Like I stopped at one

01:13:42.320 wife.

01:13:42.700 I was like, okay, I'm

01:13:43.260 not even for like

01:13:44.260 trad reasons.

01:13:44.800 Through no fault of

01:13:45.920 trying apparently from

01:13:47.780 right.

01:13:48.920 You were the one who

01:13:49.680 did the episode on why

01:13:50.520 I need a second wife. 1.00

01:13:52.840 Theoretically,

01:13:53.680 theoretically,

01:13:54.320 logically, God, I

01:13:56.620 regret everything.

01:13:58.300 I love tormenting you.

01:13:59.340 Do you understand the

01:14:00.420 psychology of why

01:14:01.080 somebody might go to a

01:14:01.800 host club after,

01:14:03.080 after this episode?

01:14:03.760 What I've heard is

01:14:04.980 that it often happens

01:14:07.040 by mistake in the same

01:14:08.400 way that people can end

01:14:09.260 up in cults, which is

01:14:10.280 that again, I heard

01:14:11.620 that a really, really

01:14:12.320 common thing is host

01:14:13.520 clubs give you a free

01:14:15.380 night of drinking the

01:14:16.500 first night.

01:14:16.980 So you go to get the

01:14:17.860 free drinks, but then

01:14:19.080 you start talking with

01:14:19.940 these guys and then

01:14:20.840 there's this one guy and

01:14:21.820 then he's like, hey,

01:14:22.720 listen, you know, it's,

01:14:23.480 it's been the night.

01:14:24.160 Are you going to choose

01:14:24.720 me?

01:14:25.000 Because it sort of

01:14:25.500 becomes this fun night

01:14:26.440 and you're getting

01:14:26.800 increasingly drunk.

01:14:28.080 And then it's like, oh,

01:14:29.060 who will you pick?

01:14:29.740 Who will you pick?

01:14:30.240 And then you pick this

01:14:30.800 guy and then he starts

01:14:31.360 texting you and he's

01:14:32.460 like, oh, I mean, you

01:14:33.220 had so much fun.

01:14:33.740 Like you go again and

01:14:34.620 it's okay that you pay

01:14:35.380 this time.

01:14:35.900 And then it just gets

01:14:36.820 worse and worse.

01:14:38.160 That's what I've heard.

01:14:39.760 So we were reading

01:14:41.120 different source material,

01:14:42.420 I guess, but.

01:14:43.760 Well, no, that's, that

01:14:44.560 doesn't disalign with

01:14:45.600 anything that you're

01:14:46.520 saying is that the key

01:14:48.300 thing is that this is.

01:14:50.560 This is one of the few

01:14:51.840 people in the world who

01:14:52.980 both is an attractive

01:14:53.960 dude and you're a woman 1.00

01:14:55.280 and he's kind to you and

01:14:57.140 he pays attention.

01:14:57.960 He actually seems to care

01:14:59.740 about what you think and

01:15:00.920 he remembers your tastes

01:15:02.520 and your experiences and

01:15:04.320 asks you about them.

01:15:05.840 And that is.

01:15:06.380 And that's the other

01:15:07.980 big takeaway from this.

01:15:08.820 If you're a guy watching

01:15:09.580 this and you're dating,

01:15:10.660 take notes on the women

01:15:12.220 you're dating.

01:15:12.840 How to make yourself

01:15:13.600 irresistible.

01:15:14.800 It's not to neg them.

01:15:16.800 And, and if you heard

01:15:18.140 what the guy said, he,

01:15:19.560 he said that the entire

01:15:20.740 time he's interacting

01:15:21.680 with the woman, he is 0.73

01:15:22.720 trying to draw information

01:15:24.140 out from her.

01:15:25.160 Oh yeah.

01:15:25.560 I want to make another

01:15:26.480 point here, actually,

01:15:27.560 because I think a lot of

01:15:28.600 people are going to be

01:15:29.120 like, no, this just

01:15:30.760 makes me a nice guy.

01:15:32.520 And like everyone knows

01:15:34.500 that women hate nice guys.

01:15:35.460 I think that people

01:15:36.560 don't realize that the,

01:15:37.900 the nice guy, like this

01:15:39.400 is absolutely an issue.

01:15:40.560 Women do hate nice guys. 1.00

01:15:42.900 Nice guys do not pay

01:15:46.620 attention.

01:15:47.880 They're, oh, it's really

01:15:49.840 annoying.

01:15:50.280 Like they spend all their

01:15:51.400 time signaling how nice

01:15:52.480 they are.

01:15:53.400 Meanwhile, they never

01:15:54.280 actually pay attention to

01:15:55.500 you, get to know you,

01:15:56.700 like show interest in you,

01:15:58.120 intellectually engage

01:15:58.960 with you.

01:15:59.460 Like they're just spending

01:16:00.460 the whole time being

01:16:01.180 performatively nice.

01:16:02.280 So women can really 1.00

01:16:03.740 sniff that out and

01:16:04.540 they, yes, absolutely

01:16:05.440 hate it.

01:16:06.220 And the reason why the

01:16:06.920 nice guy trope is a

01:16:07.920 thing and why it's so

01:16:08.960 hated by women is that 1.00

01:16:10.080 it's, it is very

01:16:12.420 disingenuous.

01:16:13.440 And even the guys who

01:16:14.900 are like, oh, I did

01:16:16.400 all the right things and

01:16:18.020 it didn't work.

01:16:20.160 They were doing all the

01:16:21.260 right things for all the

01:16:22.060 wrong reasons.

01:16:22.940 And so they really

01:16:23.680 actually weren't doing

01:16:24.720 the right things.

01:16:25.220 They actually weren't

01:16:25.840 engaging with the women

01:16:26.940 because they liked that

01:16:28.400 woman.

01:16:28.740 They just wanted to

01:16:29.580 sleep with someone and

01:16:30.600 then they fell into the

01:16:31.280 nice guy trap.

01:16:32.140 So I just wanted to

01:16:32.680 point that out because

01:16:33.600 I think a lot of people

01:16:34.360 are just going to be

01:16:34.880 thinking like, oh, no,

01:16:35.860 this obviously isn't

01:16:36.660 going to work.

01:16:37.100 I've been nice before

01:16:37.960 and it hasn't worked.

01:16:38.900 Yeah, you've been nice

01:16:39.720 but you haven't been

01:16:40.500 paying attention.

01:16:41.220 You've not been nice

01:16:41.820 strategically, you've been

01:16:43.040 nice performatively.

01:16:44.660 But the, the point

01:16:46.080 here being is I, you've

01:16:47.960 got to note the, when

01:16:49.060 he says I'm trying to

01:16:49.820 pull information from

01:16:50.860 her, I see every

01:16:51.320 interaction about getting

01:16:52.100 information from her.

01:16:53.000 I give information about

01:16:54.160 myself to her only to

01:16:55.800 get more information

01:16:56.940 from her.

01:16:57.820 It's the exact inverse

01:16:59.500 universe of frame

01:17:01.300 that you have in the

01:17:02.320 red pill, right?

01:17:03.680 With frame, you are

01:17:04.740 trying to get her to

01:17:05.800 see you in a specific

01:17:06.900 way.

01:17:08.360 With the host club

01:17:09.620 strategy, it's like a

01:17:11.280 dating sim.

01:17:12.060 We're like, you're

01:17:12.660 trying to learn as many

01:17:13.740 facts about her.

01:17:14.900 So when you're choosing

01:17:15.540 the date location and

01:17:16.580 the food, you get it

01:17:17.380 right or something like

01:17:18.200 that.

01:17:18.480 Or you remember her

01:17:19.620 favorite color.

01:17:20.280 You remember everything

01:17:21.500 is about, almost in a

01:17:23.440 Machiavellian sense,

01:17:24.860 drawing out all of her

01:17:27.800 internal programming so

01:17:30.140 that you have it on a

01:17:31.200 chart and it makes her 0.58

01:17:32.800 easier to chart,

01:17:33.980 manipulate, talk to.

01:17:36.020 Yeah.

01:17:36.460 Like the, the, the

01:17:37.720 reaction words you want

01:17:39.800 to hear from a woman

01:17:40.840 aren't, oh, how sweet

01:17:42.980 or, oh, how romantic,

01:17:45.680 but rather, oh my God,

01:17:47.760 you remembered, or how

01:17:49.580 did you remember that?

01:17:50.800 Or you noticed.

01:17:53.120 Those are, those are

01:17:53.900 the words you want to

01:17:54.760 hear.

01:17:55.220 That's how you know

01:17:56.000 you're in.

01:17:56.940 But the, but the

01:17:57.640 important thing, and

01:17:58.360 this is what hosts do

01:17:59.120 very well to note here,

01:18:00.140 like the key to winning

01:18:01.380 in the dating environment

01:18:02.220 is the woman knows that

01:18:04.400 you are desired by

01:18:05.820 multiple other women, 1.00

01:18:07.060 right?

01:18:07.780 And at the same time,

01:18:09.500 like she knows you are a

01:18:10.500 desirable potential

01:18:11.420 partner, you still

01:18:13.560 choose to remember

01:18:14.300 things about her.

01:18:15.260 Yeah.

01:18:15.640 If you just choose to

01:18:17.100 remember things about

01:18:17.800 her and she does not 0.99

01:18:19.100 see you as desirable.

01:18:20.400 Oh, good point.

01:18:21.080 Then it's gross. 0.94

01:18:22.600 Then you're a stalker 0.99

01:18:23.520 and you're gross and 1.00

01:18:24.480 you're, yeah. 0.99

01:18:25.400 Because you don't, you,

01:18:27.060 you, nobody else wanted

01:18:27.940 you.

01:18:28.200 Nobody else wanted your

01:18:29.020 time.

01:18:29.620 And hosts do a good job

01:18:30.740 of merging these two

01:18:31.800 things, which are

01:18:32.340 difficult to do.

01:18:34.400 Good point.

01:18:35.320 But this is what I also

01:18:36.160 talked about, the drought

01:18:36.920 phenomenon, where it just

01:18:37.680 becomes easier.

01:18:38.280 Like when we would go to

01:18:39.540 parties and Simone would

01:18:40.500 meet other women who I

01:18:41.680 had hooked up with and

01:18:42.780 who liked me and clearly

01:18:44.320 like wanted to get back

01:18:45.420 together with me, that

01:18:46.940 made her cling tighter.

01:18:48.540 Like I'm going to a

01:18:50.140 random party with her.

01:18:51.140 We run into somebody.

01:18:52.500 How do you think like

01:18:53.320 you, well, I mean, so

01:18:54.520 you can tell them

01:18:54.980 psychologically, how does

01:18:56.280 that feel as a woman

01:18:57.020 where you're like, oh,

01:18:57.880 there's other women here 1.00

01:18:59.020 who want him.

01:19:00.160 Yeah.

01:19:00.340 Like I need to double

01:19:01.240 down and invest more.

01:19:03.240 This is also something

01:19:04.240 it's a, it's a common.

01:19:07.540 I'm not like not plot

01:19:09.360 arc, but common flourish

01:19:11.140 that shows up in romance

01:19:12.400 novels.

01:19:14.100 Yes.

01:19:14.760 Which is the ex-girlfriend 0.69

01:19:15.940 who's still ravenous for

01:19:17.040 him.

01:19:17.380 Romance novels are a

01:19:19.620 woman's fantasy, right?

01:19:21.120 And in their fantasies,

01:19:22.820 they do not want the

01:19:24.400 virgin man.

01:19:25.160 They want the man that

01:19:26.960 other, and I'm not saying

01:19:28.080 that you shouldn't stay

01:19:28.760 a virgin until marriage.

01:19:29.400 You should.

01:19:29.840 There's a lot of negative

01:19:30.560 externalities from sex.

01:19:31.760 Here, I'm just talking

01:19:32.660 about what women want in 1.00

01:19:33.720 women's fantasies.

01:19:34.760 And the idea of the man

01:19:36.240 that other women don't 1.00

01:19:37.040 want is, is not, or that

01:19:38.920 hasn't been dating before,

01:19:40.700 et cetera.

01:19:41.100 Women don't want that. 1.00

01:19:43.280 Anyway, love you, Simone.

01:19:45.200 Simone, you are an amazing

01:19:46.740 wife.

01:19:47.660 You are my host.

01:19:49.600 Quite the end of my tunnel.

01:19:51.940 And I'm glad I remember

01:19:52.820 conversations with you

01:19:53.780 sometimes.

01:19:56.660 No, you do.

01:19:57.840 Because you don't buy me

01:19:59.740 flowers.

01:20:00.860 You buy me cheddar popcorn.

01:20:02.940 And that's how I know you

01:20:04.120 love me.

01:20:05.060 You noticed.

01:20:06.480 Oh, you are such a sweet,

01:20:09.440 sweet woman.

01:20:12.080 I love you so much.

01:20:15.160 I can't believe that

01:20:16.260 autistic man at Walmart

01:20:17.280 didn't believe me when I

01:20:19.400 told him that the Walmart

01:20:20.640 great value, fully loaded

01:20:22.020 popcorn wasn't the best. 0.84

01:20:24.260 What a noob.

01:20:26.320 It is the best.

01:20:29.300 Yeah.

01:20:29.740 He was like, no, it's, it's

01:20:31.380 all about boom chicka pop.

01:20:33.440 No, it's not.

01:20:34.480 And skinny pop, which are

01:20:35.620 two of the grossest popcorn

01:20:36.800 in the room.

01:20:37.280 Yes.

01:20:38.280 Seriously.

01:20:39.040 Especially skinny pop.

01:20:41.140 Uh, who are you?

01:20:43.500 What kind of popcorn

01:20:44.700 connoisseur do you think?

01:20:46.000 Oh, and he, he bought the

01:20:48.760 individually packed small

01:20:51.000 snack size packs.

01:20:52.900 That's how you really know.

01:20:53.880 This is why poor people 1.00

01:20:54.520 stay poor.

01:20:55.500 Skinny pop.

01:20:56.740 Truly.

01:20:57.400 Well, this is also how you

01:20:58.380 know someone's a popcorn

01:20:59.420 dilettante.

01:21:00.040 If their idea of a popcorn

01:21:01.620 serving is a snack bag.

01:21:04.920 I'm sorry.

01:21:05.500 If your bag doesn't say

01:21:08.060 like for parties or for

01:21:11.440 great for sharing, you know,

01:21:13.120 which is like, which is code

01:21:14.480 for like, stop eating fat 1.00

01:21:16.000 ass. 1.00

01:21:16.880 Then you. 1.00

01:21:18.720 You're disgusting fat. 1.00

01:21:20.860 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:22.600 You're fucking you fat. 1.00

01:21:24.780 Party size. 1.00

01:21:26.880 It's not even like for

01:21:28.420 sharing.

01:21:29.040 Party size.

01:21:29.620 That's what it's called.

01:21:30.180 Yeah.

01:21:30.280 It's not even like for

01:21:31.780 sharing.

01:21:32.540 When somebody has party

01:21:33.960 size on it, they're like,

01:21:35.620 this isn't for two people

01:21:36.980 or like three people.

01:21:38.760 This is for an entire

01:21:40.040 party.

01:21:41.160 And Simone's like, that's 0.91

01:21:42.180 my, that's my.

01:21:43.500 We've, we've reached

01:21:44.260 appropriate sizing on

01:21:45.540 popcorn now.

01:21:48.000 Yeah.

01:21:49.640 All right.

01:21:50.300 Bye.

01:21:51.460 Bye.

01:21:51.940 Bye.

01:21:54.120 Hmm.

01:21:54.460 What do people say about

01:22:01.200 today's episode?

01:22:02.400 I didn't get to comments

01:22:03.660 yet today.

01:22:04.520 I know you're working on

01:22:05.380 more important things and

01:22:06.460 we, we do need to get the

01:22:07.500 ads up and everything like

01:22:08.460 that.

01:22:08.700 So I'm glad that I'm able to

01:22:09.500 move ahead with that.

01:22:10.640 Could you send me the

01:22:11.680 specific copy on the ads

01:22:13.340 you decided to use was?

01:22:15.320 Oh, you're, you have to

01:22:16.400 totally redo it.

01:22:17.820 Yeah.

01:22:18.180 I have to do it in

01:22:18.800 different languages.

01:22:20.460 Oh, sure.

01:22:21.860 Yeah.

01:22:22.140 That's easy.

01:22:23.300 I can do that.

01:22:23.820 Just before you get

01:22:24.780 downstairs.

01:22:25.300 All right.

01:22:28.520 Don't go outside.

01:22:31.280 Don't.

01:22:32.140 Don't.

01:22:33.140 Don't.

01:22:34.000 Don't go outside.

01:22:36.240 Help.

01:22:38.280 Don't.

01:22:39.480 Don't.

01:22:41.340 Don't go outside.

01:22:43.540 It's going outside.

01:22:45.740 I have to go outside.

01:22:48.060 I know where to go.

01:22:50.420 Why do you have to go

01:22:51.480 outside?

01:22:52.360 Because I know.

01:22:53.460 Because I was bad.

01:22:54.660 Because you were bad?

01:22:57.220 And you think if you go

01:22:58.520 away, you'll, everyone will

01:22:59.580 be happy again?

01:23:01.720 No.

01:23:04.640 Did Triton and Toasty look

01:23:05.880 happy that you're going

01:23:06.580 outside?

01:23:07.360 No.

01:23:08.600 Just stop being bad.

01:23:09.720 I don't feel.

01:23:11.280 I'm just trying to throw

01:23:12.500 a little bit better.

01:23:14.140 I don't even want to, I guess.

01:23:16.840 I don't even want to, I guess.

01:23:17.980 I don't want to stop

01:23:18.560 and then I can't.

01:23:19.760 Okay.

01:23:20.160 So you'll just try not to be

01:23:21.260 bad.

01:23:22.440 I don't want to stop.

01:23:25.540 Okay, guys.

01:23:26.740 No, I didn't say you had to

01:23:27.880 go outside, did I?

01:23:28.660 You just decided to go

01:23:29.780 outside.

01:23:30.200 Yeah, you don't have enough

01:23:38.960 toys.

01:23:39.380 I know.

01:23:39.740 Come on, let's go inside.

01:23:40.480 Daddy wants more toys, too.

01:23:46.440 What?

01:23:47.480 Daddy wants more toys, too.

01:23:51.400 Well, Daddy, it's freezy

01:23:53.000 out there.

01:23:54.220 Daddy, it's really freezy

01:23:56.780 out there.

01:23:58.140 It's freezy?

01:23:59.520 Yeah.

01:24:00.600 Okay.

01:24:01.480 I'm going to go outside

01:24:02.320 and see what I can find.

01:24:03.720 Okay, maybe I can find

01:24:04.800 something, like, what do

01:24:06.700 you guys think?

01:24:07.960 I don't know.

Based Camp - February 18, 2026

How Hosts Flip Gender Roles & Mentally Dominate Women

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