Based Camp - How Mitt Romney Catalyzed The Emergence Of The New Right

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be talking to you today. Today, we are going to be talking about

00:00:05.840 how Mitt Romney, of all people, instigated the chain of events that led to the political

00:00:12.520 realignment of America, and then from there, the political realignment of the right and the left

00:00:17.880 across many countries around the world, and that in a way, his candidacy burst the new right. Now,

00:00:25.560 I note it did not come from support of his candidacy. It actually came from a faction

00:00:32.020 of the right that was disappointed with his loss and where the party had gone, but he also opened

00:00:38.600 doors that really changed a number of things. So inadvertently, he loosened the lid on the tight

00:00:44.780 jar of the new right. Yes, yes. Exciting. I love this theory. And I want to discuss this in the

00:00:52.880 context of a friend of ours who works for the Heritage Foundation, Emma Waters, did a tweet

00:00:58.920 chain recently saying that people who do things like us that want to improve intergenerationally,

00:01:07.160 because right now, you know, let's be honest, we're talking about like polygenic selection,

00:01:11.180 which, you know, we do, Elon's does, like a lot of the tech elite do. But what Emma Waters is

00:01:15.780 criticizing more broadly, because it's not just polygenic risk selection, is this concept of

00:01:19.840 designer babies, which we are totally for. We're like, yes, designer babies. Yes, CRISPR editing.

00:01:25.940 Yes, like all of the things. We are 100% into that. And I don't want people to misconstrue it. Yes,

00:01:32.320 of course, right now we're choosing birth order largely based on cancer risk to buy time for cures

00:01:38.240 for our kids who have higher cancer risk. That doesn't mean that when we get the chance to...

00:01:42.840 Well, and I think that the polygenic risk conversation occludes the morality of the

00:01:49.280 larger conversation, because they're focused more on not using all of the embryos, when the real

00:01:54.440 question at hand was in the next 20 to 30 years... Should we be genetically modifying humans? Yeah.

00:02:00.640 And that is, it's such an important conversation. And I texted Emma when she posted it, when I saw it,

00:02:06.760 that I was just so glad that she's bringing this debate up, because it's not discussed enough.

00:02:12.020 And what we're heading toward, because this is what's happening at scientific conferences. I was

00:02:15.540 just checking in on this recently, is people just like, this is unethical. Let's just not do it. Let's

00:02:20.440 just not do it. And it's really, it's stifling research. It's stifling development. And what I

00:02:24.320 want instead are very productive discussions of, okay, why? Why exactly is this so bad?

00:02:29.500 Well, what's interesting here is a lot of the pushback against it is coming from the left.

00:02:33.800 The vast minority of the pushback against it is coming from the right. And this is the first time we've

00:02:39.360 really seen a right-leaning mainstream individual who we've been working with, like, do this level

00:02:43.720 of pushback. And I, you know, one of the things that we pointed out to her... Well, and it's very

00:02:47.640 explicit. I want to point out that from the moment we first met Emma Waters, which was at the first

00:02:51.820 natal con two years ago, her whole stance was IVF is not good. Any sort of reprotech is something that 1.00

00:03:00.480 should be avoided at all costs. And really what we need to do is get at the root causes of fertility,

00:03:04.660 that we don't want to move toward these abominations of reprotech. And instead we want to

00:03:09.600 find natural, you know, let's go back to tracking our cycles, getting to know our bodies, not taking

00:03:15.440 birth control, avoiding endogenous irritants or pollutants that harm fertility, which is a very

00:03:22.020 legitimate stance. But what we don't agree with is that like, oh, but you can't or shouldn't do these

00:03:26.820 other things. No, no, that's not even what we disagree with. What we disagree with is it makes

00:03:30.840 sense to split this political allegiance over, or alliance that's been building over this issue.

00:03:38.160 And that is what she suggested doing in her chain of tweets. She's saying we cannot have a

00:03:44.380 pro natalist movement with people who use this type of technology. Yeah. She's like good pro natalists

00:03:49.840 don't do designer babies, which is a bigger problem because what she's essentially saying as she says

00:03:55.700 that is we cannot have the tech right new right alliance, which is damaging. We cannot have the

00:04:01.500 tech right MAGA alliance, which is crippling going forwards. If we take this dance for the right being

00:04:08.320 able to win. So just to explain that before we get into the whole Romney chain here, the areas where we

00:04:13.940 differ with people like her are incredibly small in terms of what could actually pass in policy.

00:04:21.860 So if you're like, okay, what are your guys like, and when I say small, I mean like 2%, maybe we have

00:04:29.060 policy differences, which I think surprises a lot of people, but because they haven't thought through

00:04:33.100 it's like, well, you two have radically different views on the world, but where your views differentiate,

00:04:38.460 neither of you could actually win any legislation. So it doesn't make sense to split up alliances based

00:04:45.620 on those differentiations. Exactly. An example of this would be is we would campaign for stricter

00:04:51.460 access to abortion, earlier laws around abortion. She would campaign for stricter access to abortion,

00:04:58.380 earlier laws around abortion, right? You know, in, in, in her perfect world, it wouldn't happen at all. 0.99

00:05:04.660 And it would be completely illegal. And in ours, it wouldn't be except that'll never pass in the United

00:05:11.040 States, right? So it doesn't make sense to split the alliance over this because it's not something

00:05:17.700 that can pass or in her perfect world, you know, you might end up outlawing IVF, but outlawing IVF 1.00

00:05:24.220 would destroy the Republican party's base. Like it is not a popular idea or in, in certain factions.

00:05:31.720 I don't think that this is her views, but in certain factions of this, this split, some people are like

00:05:36.480 against gays and gay marriage, right? Like they're like no gay marriage in the United States. And it's 0.51

00:05:41.040 like, fine. I would disagree with that, but it's not worth splitting the alliance on because you

00:05:45.820 couldn't win a any, you couldn't even win among only Republican voters. If you were anti-gay marriage

00:05:52.540 in the United States, that's how silly that is, or at least it would be close. Like, and so there's 0.96

00:05:58.600 these areas where we have these differential perspectives, but it is really important that we

00:06:04.180 don't do what the wokes do that. We don't do what the Democrats do and say, okay, yeah, we're you're, 0.97

00:06:11.940 you're different on any one issue. Like JK Rowling different on just one issue. Let's kick her out 1.00

00:06:15.760 of the party and, and villainize her and say that we can't work with her. We work as a coalition

00:06:21.920 because we're being practical about actually getting stuff done. And if you look at what the white 0.95

00:06:28.300 house is doing right now, they are achieving things that Republicans have wanted to achieve for the past

00:06:32.620 two decades, you know, in an amazing rate. And it's the tech bros who are doing it because they're

00:06:38.300 not, I don't want to say deep state bureaucrats, but what I will say is that if you are pulling from

00:06:44.380 entrenched political players, you are going to get people, whether they are Democrat or Republican in

00:06:49.160 their leanings that have deep connections to the deep state and therefore have deep connections in

00:06:54.180 the status quo, not changing. And that's one reason why this alliance has been so fruitful at the

00:06:59.360 level of implementation. But so we'll get to like what the alliance means, what the alliances goals

00:07:05.440 are. But I wanted to start here by being like, please, the Democrats are constantly trying to break

00:07:10.980 us up. Don't, don't let, they're constantly trying to get Trump and Elon to fight. They're constantly

00:07:16.520 trying to, when one of us succumbs to that, instead of being like, and this, this is why this tweet got to

00:07:23.580 me because it didn't say, you know, these two, I disagree with them. Let's talk about the philosophy

00:07:29.640 on this or tech, right. People are not specifically calling out like, I disagree. It said they are not

00:07:35.300 pro natals. And if we are not pro natalists, then we are not part of the new right coalition. And that's

00:07:41.700 a big problem. And we have been, and the tech right, I would say was in this coalition has been incredibly

00:07:46.800 charitable to the heritage foundation. They have taken over the IVF, like the pro IVF bills.

00:07:52.120 Well, sorry to follow up the first strictly prenatalist executive order released was basically

00:07:58.100 one promising to figure out how to reduce the cost of IVF in the United States. The heritage is one of

00:08:05.180 the leading contingents advising the white house on how to reduce those costs, but they're only doing

00:08:10.600 it by, well, the best form of IVF is no IVF. Isn't that so much less expensive. It's $0 to IVF. Here's how

00:08:17.300 we do it, which again, is totally in line with their philosophy, but not actually addressing what was

00:08:22.100 Yeah. And there is easy things that could be done. The, I'm going to call it like the licensing

00:08:26.420 agency for embryologists only licensed 80 a year. It's one of those like artificially created monopolies

00:08:32.260 to increase their salary. Like De Beers, someone described it to us, which is insane. That is very

00:08:37.940 low hanging fruit and yet. Very easy to fix. But of course they wouldn't think to look at things like

00:08:42.800 that because, and we haven't put up a stink about this, right? Like we're like, okay, this is the

00:08:48.980 terms of the Alliance. You guys don't come for IVF. You can, you know, restricted or not make it

00:08:54.680 cheaper in the ways you want to in working with the administration, but, and, and none of the other

00:09:00.220 like pro IVF, pro embryo like selection parts of the tech, right? Have come at the white house for

00:09:06.880 choosing the heritage foundation to be the ones to execute on this. Like I know that like we have been

00:09:12.140 incredibly gracious in terms of our role was in this. And we want to make sure that nobody pushes

00:09:19.140 anyone else off the table. When we, for example, have, have said things critical of Lyman stone,

00:09:26.180 a lot of that for us was driven by him attacking other people who wanted to be a part of the

00:09:31.100 coalition who came out saying, I'm a pro natalist. And he's like, oh, well, I disagree with you here,

00:09:35.460 here, here, here, here. And it's like, look, if somebody's new in the movement, we need to do what

00:09:39.600 we can to raise their status or a new convert and not belittle them because that's how we create

00:09:46.380 this harmonious alliance that doesn't become what the wokes became. Yeah. Even if we disagree with 1.00

00:09:51.360 their policies, it's important to be a big 10 movement. So, I mean, I get that, you know,

00:09:57.800 Lyman is a very passionate person and he, it's in his personality to criticize things that he doesn't

00:10:05.080 agree with. And I get that, but we're, we're really trying to be a big 10 movement. And if people feel

00:10:09.440 like they're being shoved out or this is being fractured, we all lose power. We all lose the

00:10:13.620 ability to raise awareness about this and do something. Yes. And do something about our many,

00:10:18.680 many shared goals, whether it's, you know, education reform, making abortion less common,

00:10:23.940 you know, it's strengthening America and ensuring that we are a powerful country. And in the, the

00:10:29.040 argument, I argued with her because her whole thing was against like genetically modifying humans. 0.98

00:10:33.200 It's like a fundamentally like an un-American thing. And what I pointed out is, you know, 0.92

00:10:37.740 if we don't do this in America, somebody else is going to do it. And eventually it was in a few

00:10:43.660 generations, you know, your children are going to be under the jackboot of Chinese super soldiers. 0.96

00:10:50.640 When we tell the left, we were like, Hey guys, if you don't have kids, you're not going to exist in

00:10:55.120 the future. And they read us, you know, they're reading, but it's obviously true what we're saying.

00:10:59.900 If we tell people on the right, if you deny technologies that allow for intergenerational

00:11:06.240 improvement in human capacity, whether it is genetic augmentation or human AI integration and

00:11:13.340 stuff like that, BCI, that's where I started my career was in brain computer interface.

00:11:17.100 Eventually groups that are engaging with these technologies are going to be able to exert power

00:11:22.480 over you so long as they actually do increase their capacity. And if they don't increase their

00:11:27.080 capacity, then people are going to stop engaging with them. So what are you fighting over? Right?

00:11:30.420 So you're essentially ensuring the death of the American empire and anyone who might be able to 0.93

00:11:36.980 protect your right to not use technologies like this to stay granola. Whereas we, the tech right,

00:11:44.120 have a philosophy of, we want to have the choice to engage with reproductive technologies we engage with

00:11:50.840 and the, and the human, you know, AI stuff we engage with, but we don't want that to ever be forced

00:11:57.140 on anyone else. We want everyone to have the right to make these decisions for themselves.

00:12:01.960 And as I pointed out, you know, this is not like the idea of human augmentation and advancement is

00:12:08.040 not anti-America. The avatar of patriotism in America is Captain America. Captain America is a human

00:12:16.880 who was augmented by scientists to be better. We didn't hate the Nazis because they were trying to 0.86

00:12:24.700 make people healthier or better. We hated the Nazis because they were forcing other people into

00:12:31.600 coercive fertility decisions, whether it was having more kids than they would have or having less kids

00:12:36.000 than they would have or how they were having kids. And that's the position you're taking when you try to

00:12:40.600 restrict our access to this sort of technology. And it's a fundamentally Nazi-esque and un-American 0.78

00:12:47.700 position because America is a country that is defined by alternate cultural hypotheses competing

00:12:54.680 but in an environment where the one thing we all agree on is you won't force your way of life on us

00:13:01.600 and we won't force our way of life on you so that we can protect each other's ways of life. And I think that

00:13:08.360 this is where the old right really sort of makes mistakes because they think about the country in a context

00:13:15.340 where they had enough of votes with their broadly agreed upon Judeo-Christian traditionalist value set

00:13:22.520 to win national elections and then enforce those values on the population where they just don't have

00:13:29.440 that anymore. If you want to protect traditional 1950s Americanaism, the left which has the dominant

00:13:36.980 power, the urban monoculture which has the dominant power, they won't elect you into office. You protect

00:13:43.100 that by aligning yourself with other people who are running cultural experiments that are also

00:13:48.660 alternate to the left. Yeah. But let's get into the Mitt Romney thing because this is really interesting

00:13:54.080 to me. Interesting, yeah. I want to see your argument for this. I'm not sure. Like, I don't see how it could be

00:14:02.980 because at first I thought, well, you're going to say it's because he was Mormon and that made him different

00:14:08.180 from this sort of evangelical Protestant base that was GOP Inc. But we had previously elected Catholics.

00:14:16.100 Yes, they were Democrats, but like- No, no, no. Hold on. You are glossing over this. The Republican Party

00:14:22.460 in its entire history has never had a Catholic frontrunner even till today for presidential office.

00:14:31.560 In fact, they've never had a non-Protestant other than Mitt Romney.

00:14:36.020 Yeah, making J.D. Vance quite notable, actually. But yeah, so let's go into Romney. I want to hear your take here.

00:14:43.060 Go into Romney. Before this, the alliance, the Judeo-Christian alliance, had sort of looked at where the shadows

00:14:48.860 of the various Christian denominations overlap and said, this is the culture we want to enforce upon

00:14:54.660 the United States and its citizens through laws, through the way we govern, through the way the state operates.

00:15:00.360 And this created a winning coalition for a long time. And the backbone of that coalition was evangelicals.

00:15:07.840 Catholics were mostly, even today, Catholic majority Democrat. And historically, they were far Democrat.

00:15:15.700 And if you want to understand why, it was because the mainstream American system,

00:15:20.180 what the KKK was trying to protect against, is it was Blacks, Jews, and Catholics. Those were the groups

00:15:28.380 that they lynched. And I think, I remember I mentioned this in the previous ethic code, and somebody's like,

00:15:31.940 wait, the KKK was predominantly interested in Catholics as much as Black people? And I'm like,

00:15:37.580 yes! Jews were a bit of an afterthought for them, but it was like Blacks and the Catholics. 1.00

00:15:42.940 These were the two primary un-American forces that they were intent on stamping out. 0.80

00:15:47.360 And when RFK became a nominee for president, many people freaked out because they were like,

00:15:52.800 well, isn't he going to be loyal to the Pope and not to the American people?

00:15:56.600 Yeah, yes.

00:15:58.460 And this, look, it's-

00:16:01.360 That's like electing a woman and being like, well, but isn't she going to be loyal to her husband? 0.99

00:16:07.680 Right? Well, I mean, and people ask this about Mitt Romney. Isn't he going to be loyal to the

00:16:11.280 Mormon church over the American people? And this is a viable question to ask, right? Like, 0.91

00:16:15.880 historically speaking, if you're creating this alliance of different Christian denominations,

00:16:20.760 but you're like, but, you know, what we say, it's like Judeo-Christian values. What we mean is

00:16:27.100 Protestant values and traditionalist American Protestant values.

00:16:30.100 Right, yeah.

00:16:31.400 And then Mitt Romney comes in, and he increasingly runs and increasingly normalizes. When he first started

00:16:39.680 running, everyone was horrified that he was Mormon. 0.98

00:16:41.200 Yeah, how can there be this Mormon freak president? But also he looks so like, well, 1.00

00:16:47.920 like many Mormons. So clean cut, corporate, friendly, spotless. 1.00

00:16:53.740 And this is part of what created the new right. So we'll get to this. So Mitt Romney comes into office

00:16:59.860 and he, not office, but he comes into like the dominant position within the American Republican

00:17:06.840 coalition. Right. And largely by the time he does, most of the evangelicals had actually gotten okay

00:17:12.080 with him. If you're looking at white evangelicals, 62% strongly favored Romney. Only 28% had reservations

00:17:18.260 and only 9% were only voting for him as a rejection of Obama.

00:17:24.300 Wow.

00:17:24.780 So that, consider that of Mormons, 2% were primarily voting for him out of a rejection of Obama. So they

00:17:34.100 were only like three times more than that. Right. And Mormon's view of the metaphysical nature of the

00:17:40.660 world is quite different from the traditional Christian view. And what was interesting is 0.82

00:17:46.660 the, he captured wholesomeness and a wholesome family and a, you know, like teetotaler, like doing

00:17:57.000 everything the correct way lifestyle much more than the other Protestant groups were doing as Mormons 0.77

00:18:02.740 have for a while. And so the idea, and this has happened to me a number of times within, you know,

00:18:09.680 if you go to modern conservative spaces online, you know, you're going to get people talking about

00:18:15.380 figures like, you know, John Vervenky or Jordan Peterson. And these are individuals who are

00:18:21.220 definitely not Christian in a normal context, but nobody would see them as antagonistic to the

00:18:27.680 modern conservative cause. If you look at people like us with our weird techno Puritan beliefs,

00:18:33.780 I mean, we are 100% Christians from our perspective because we base our religion off of the Bible

00:18:40.320 and really street. Like if you go to our, our, our track series, we may have a lot of heretical 0.93

00:18:46.400 beliefs, but they come from alternate readings of the lines from the Bible. Right. And so I will engage

00:18:52.980 with Christians often in the new right coalition and I will drop with them. I'll be like, well, 1.00

00:18:58.220 I'm a Christian. I'm probably not in a way that you would really accept, you know, like we've had

00:19:01.080 redeemed zoomer on our show and stuff like that. And I drop things that I think they're going to be

00:19:05.560 like, no, I, I hate you. And they're like, no, you know, I have some friends in this church that

00:19:09.300 believe that, or I have some for, you know, that's not really so bad. That's not really so bad. And it

00:19:14.640 feels a bit like that scene from something like it hot where, where I'm like, actually maybe like,

00:19:21.380 I mean, I know that there's some areas where they're like, okay, that is definitely heretical.

00:19:25.620 Like that our version of Christianity does not believe if you watch our last track that Jesus Christ

00:19:32.200 claimed to literally be God's son. We point out that in the old Testament, people said I'm God's

00:19:37.500 son all the time. Even today, people are like, they call God the father. They don't mean he's

00:19:42.240 literally their father. To give more color here. What is written in the Bible is that God impregnated

00:19:49.840 Mary using Joseph's DNA. We know he used Joseph's DNA because if he didn't, then Jesus wouldn't be the 0.59

00:19:56.220 Messiah because the Messiah had to be patrilineally descended from the house of David. And that makes 0.96

00:20:02.640 God's role closer to an IVF doctor's role. And yet no one would say that an IVF doctor is the father

00:20:09.340 of my kids, even though all my kids were conceived through IVF, nor do we describe God to be the

00:20:14.740 literal father of other children. He helps them miraculously conceive throughout the old and new

00:20:19.960 Testament. And so we go through all the stuff in that tract. If you want to get into like why we have

00:20:23.500 this heretical understanding, but it's in part because we believe that it's what the text is

00:20:28.240 actually arguing when you go and read the text in context. But, but that's like a super heretical

00:20:34.000 belief that I expected would have us pushed far more out of Christian circles or far less accepted.

00:20:40.240 And I think, and people can look at us and be like, wow, that's really heretical, but it's not as

00:20:44.520 heretical as Jordan Peterson, who just doesn't accept the Christian faith at all. It's not as heretical

00:20:49.400 as John Vervenky. He's like, well, Christianity is good, but more as like a set of like 0.94

00:20:53.500 metaphysical stories and stuff like that, you know, they, they're, they're seen as very like

00:20:58.100 inoffensive within this movement. So in a way, the ways that we're offensive is because we actually

00:21:03.260 like deeply believe the text in a way that these other individuals don't. So they're like, okay,

00:21:08.160 maybe they'll, they'll be brought over. But the point I'm making here is, is this allowed for this

00:21:12.280 broader coalition to build? And what was interesting is it actually began to build an opposition

00:21:18.660 because Mitt Romney failed. He failed against Obama and the way he built his coalition sort of

00:21:25.720 expanding this theocratic framework to a wider array of denominations also fundamentally failed

00:21:33.520 to win at the electorate. And then he was one of the early ones to turn on Trumpism, MAGA-ism,

00:21:40.500 the new form of the Republican coalition as it began to grow, which was an alliance of essentially

00:21:47.980 every group that was against the urban monoculture instead of just one or two groups that was against

00:21:53.000 the urban monoculture. So it's much more focused on preventing the urban monocultures, imperialist

00:21:58.960 tendencies around the school system, around messaging, around media, around art, then trying to impose

00:22:04.760 our own imperialist tendencies. And in many ways, it's the anti-imperialist faction, because that's the

00:22:09.900 only way we can preserve multiple minority traditionalist factions. So Mitt Romney comes

00:22:16.980 out, attacks this, is like, oh, we need to get back to being reasonable and well-buttoned and

00:22:23.380 everything like that. And in so doing, he made that form of Christianity kind of distasteful to the average

00:22:32.300 American. The, the overly sober, the overly, I don't push people's buttons, the overly wholesome

00:22:41.100 in a way where the wholesomeness isn't offensive. Like I think if you look at our messaging, we're

00:22:46.880 wholesome, but in a way that is offensive. It's deeply offensive to people. Yeah. And that, that looks

00:22:51.080 weird. And Mormons are really, really good at, at almost over-correcting for the weirdness of their 1.00

00:22:58.420 history or religion in a way that involves them looking to your point, like pod people. But of

00:23:04.880 course, this is coming from us weirdos who are deeply uncomfortable with conformity. So I think

00:23:09.680 that goes to show how conformist and how crowd friendly or, or normie friendly the general Mormon

00:23:17.040 aesthetic is, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that he made that, you know, aesthetic sort of uncool on the

00:23:27.040 intellectual side of the right. And as an immediate response to him, that's where you had, what was

00:23:32.760 it called? The dark, the dark. Oh, the intellectual dark web. The intellectual dark web. You're going

00:23:37.760 to talk about dark academia, the fashion. No, no, no, no, no, no. The intellectual, the dark academia,

00:23:42.180 like a, a style, which is cute. I like it. Yeah. You, you, you know, I, I dated my girlfriend before

00:23:48.020 Simone was very dark academia style. She was, I was immediately thinking of her.

00:23:51.600 But the, the, the, the, the intellectual dark web arose in that post Romney era of sort of we,

00:24:03.180 if we're going to like seriously engage with this, we need to be subversive because the dominant culture

00:24:09.320 no longer agrees with the form of overly concerned, what other people think of them wholesomeness

00:24:15.920 that Mitt Romney represented. Interesting. Huh? Wow. And then he was like this catalyst that

00:24:24.960 triggered a domino effect. Well, there was a secondary catalyst, which was an alliance of

00:24:30.860 when people talk about the tech elite, they're like, okay, so who, who are the tech elite? Are they

00:24:35.560 like the people who work at like Amazon? Are they like, no, they are people who live within tech

00:24:41.920 environments? This is the 4chan diaspora, the red pill. Yeah. It really shouldn't be tech elite.

00:24:48.280 It should be edgy atheist diaspora, the gamer gate diaspora diaspora. All of these have been ruled 0.97

00:24:54.620 into one alliance, which where they say elite, they mean it like PC gamer master race. They don't

00:25:00.900 mean it in a, they mean it in like a vitalistic. They're proud of who they are. They're different.

00:25:05.880 Oh, so they mean to, to quote the old, the old term L three, three, seven.

00:25:13.940 I don't know what that means. Elite. Oh, elite. Oh, okay.

00:25:18.840 Oh my God. Am I that old? I'm sorry. Yikes.

00:25:25.580 Technically. Okay. So the tech elite are very non-traditional elitists. And I think this is

00:25:33.320 also something that people miss out, but they think that the tech elite is like us and Elon

00:25:36.840 and stuff like that. And like, obviously we're figures in that, but that is our culture. The

00:25:42.220 culture of Doge, like literally the department he's running comes from like a meme that got

00:25:46.440 popular on 4chan was the culture of 4chan before it turned all, what's the word they used to

00:25:52.620 mean? The place that's a bunch of feds glowy. That's the right.

00:25:55.860 4chan these days is a little glowy. Before 4chan got glowy, that culture that it embodied

00:26:02.180 is the culture that a lot of us grew up within, was in these online environments. I remember

00:26:08.380 somebody was like, Oh, this is like a boomers version of 4chan in our 4chan episode. And I was

00:26:13.740 like, you do understand that my generation was the one that created 4chan at the height of 4chan's

00:26:20.020 cultural relevance. You might be not understanding how old 4chan culture is. And if you're still

00:26:27.420 like unapologetically like a 4chaner today, instead of on one of the other sites, I would

00:26:32.420 say it was some qualification. You probably were not an OG 4chaner. You're a new sort of

00:26:38.940 replication of that culture because it appealed to you. The culture that was fostered by people

00:26:45.540 of my internet generation. And sorry, that really got me when they were like, Oh, boomer understanding

00:26:54.200 of it's like, how old do you think I am? And how old do you think 4chan is? Anyway, anyway,

00:27:02.780 no, but that, that was actually a pretty interesting to me, this conceptualization of this online

00:27:08.500 counterculture as being forever young. It's not forever young. It was something that was cooked

00:27:16.380 within the bowels of stuff. Like if you see our video, this weird, how the new right came from

00:27:21.620 like the new atheist movement in a way, like the, the, not the new atheist, I feel like the

00:27:25.920 counter new atheist, the original online, like skeptics movement. And we sort of chart that

00:27:30.240 progression was one of the factions that ended up becoming the base of the new right. It wasn't

00:27:34.260 the only one. You also got the red pillars. You also have the 4chan diaspora. You also have,

00:27:38.260 you know, a lot of these groups, the diaspora that was squeezed off of Reddit. Today we think of

00:27:42.760 Reddit as being an incredibly leftist place, but you know, there was the era of, you know,

00:27:48.940 things like Tumblr in action, right? Like Tumblr in action was a big, very commonly used site for

00:27:55.660 tracking what was happening within leftist culture in a negative context. Or what was the fat one that

00:28:01.340 I used to always love? Was it called fat people hate? No, I don't think it was. I know that was

00:28:09.300 one of them, but I've got, I'm blanking on. I'm pretty sure it's called fat people hate, 0.71

00:28:12.940 which I'm like, Whoa, okay. We really went there. Like, I thought it was so funny to like laugh at

00:28:18.080 the haze movement. Oh, and the Catterham tales. And the Catterham tales were the juiciest.

00:28:23.080 Beautiful. If you haven't read the Catterham tales, that's some internet deep lore there.

00:28:27.080 Yeah, man. But, but these were, and that's also something that I think people are surprised about.

00:28:32.300 They're like, wait, like Reddit burst a part of the modern, right? Yeah. Reddit was the meeting

00:28:37.240 place of a lot of the red pill movement. Like the red pill was a Reddit phenomenon predominantly

00:28:43.820 in its early days, where a lot of people were like, Oh, why would you guys get like,

00:28:47.740 people can be like, well, there were red pillars on other sites. Like, you know.

00:28:51.460 Yeah. But I mean, I think even when the red pill had its height on Reddit, for example,

00:28:55.600 they knew. Oh, sorry. I think it was a Reddit phenomenon in its early days.

00:28:58.480 They also knew its days were numbered on Reddit.

00:29:00.480 Yeah. So the prominent meeting place of, of the, the early, early red pill movement was Reddit.

00:29:10.260 That was where you would go. If you're old enough to be like me or my wife's age and you were in that

00:29:15.000 community, that was the main place ideas were aired was in that community. And you had sort of

00:29:19.980 auxiliary conversations happening in other areas, but Reddit was the center of that culture.

00:29:25.320 And that culture is what sprung out into the Abroa sphere, Andrew Tate, other ideas on the right. 0.57

00:29:34.020 So this is one sort of an explanation of how this movement came together. But also

00:29:38.540 if you want to go back to within your own culture, within your own kids and churches and everything

00:29:46.380 like that, traditionalist values, like if you're like completely set on the cargo cult of the 1950s,

00:29:53.420 Americana, Christian traditionalism, that's fine. We want to be allied with you. We want to be on

00:30:00.960 the same team with you, but you don't have a voter base to win elections. You need to work with

00:30:06.720 everyone who's working against the urban monoculture or we all fail. And I'm not saying

00:30:12.640 this like as an attack on people, I understand the instinct for intergroup signaling to be like,

00:30:18.140 these guys are weird. This part of the movement is different and new. Jordan Peterson isn't a real

00:30:24.200 Christian. John Vervenky isn't a real Christian. You know, what, why do we have Jews? Like what's 1.00

00:30:30.560 his face? Who runs the, the real, the, the main, main Jewish political activists on the right.

00:30:38.080 Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro. Yes. Why do we have Jews like Ben Shapiro running huge media organizations 1.00

00:30:44.080 on the right, but it's because you can't win on your own anymore. And, and in fact, it has become

00:30:48.840 so fractionalized that the evangelicals who only spoke to evangelicals have basically disappeared from

00:30:55.980 the public media environment. They've disappeared from the internet. They've disappeared from the

00:30:59.960 airwaves. And, and you can ask, why did this happen? Where did they all go? Why is the evangelicals 0.98

00:31:05.620 I hear from today, people like Radeem Zoomer, who we've had on the show, he's not a classic

00:31:09.740 evangelical. He's like a, a, a, what do you call them again? The ones from, he's a form

00:31:16.400 of Calvinist, Presbyterian. You know, why is it only like more understanding ones like

00:31:20.860 him? And it's because they're willing to create media environments, which compel outsider

00:31:27.420 interaction, which is, as he mentioned in a recent video, his audience is majority Catholic,

00:31:31.940 right? Like very antagonistic to his beliefs. Not like outwardly antagonistic. I just mean

00:31:37.920 there's a lot of friction there, but he creates content in a way that engages that audience

00:31:44.260 as well. If you look at our audience, you know, very Catholic, very Jewish, right? Like

00:31:48.880 very Mormon actually. And the iterations of the movement that say, oh, we're only going

00:31:54.660 to talk to one faction have mostly fizzled out. And I think that this is a problem where

00:32:00.700 if you are not within like the online influencer space within the right, you don't realize this,

00:32:07.040 you know, if you're like just working at the heritage foundation, you don't realize how

00:32:11.780 unpalatable a message, like we need to kick anyone who is engaged with reproductive technology 1.00

00:32:20.200 that we don't like out of the movement is to the actual base. Or, you know, another thing

00:32:25.620 that they did when I was like, oh my God, this would pull really bad among like the actual

00:32:29.220 like red pill 4chan diaspora is banning pornography. Like I was part of project 45 and we've talked

00:32:35.560 with the people that heard foundation. We're like, look, like this is why the bait, a lot

00:32:39.340 of the bases against this. You know, if you look at like the online fights recently, like

00:32:43.140 tracer, but, or like the skull girls controversy that the left has always been on the pro censorship

00:32:47.060 side because they basically just want to punish male sexuality and we can capture that land, 0.99

00:32:52.420 but we capture that land by saying, okay, I can teach my own kids something. I can tell my

00:32:59.420 own kids, I wouldn't be okay with this. And I can have a very different perspective for what

00:33:04.660 I am okay. Was tolerating within the groups that are allied with me. Yeah. Yeah. But I

00:33:13.020 mean, to a certain extent, I don't think there is much that, for example, organizations like

00:33:18.780 Heritage Foundation can do given their donor base and the opinions of their donor base and

00:33:23.200 their dependence on their jobs. So I don't blame them for holding the stances that they

00:33:27.100 hold. No, no, no, no. They're welcome to hold it. I don't feel like any antagonism is.

00:33:31.680 This is very different than like why I was mad at Lyman Stone. Like I was mad at Lyman Stone

00:33:36.520 because I thought he was being pointlessly spiteful to new people within the movement and putting

00:33:40.920 out information that I didn't think was accurate. And that is, is a very different form of anger

00:33:46.520 to this where I'm just like, look, I get the game you're playing. I understand your donor

00:33:52.280 base. I understand what you have to signal. I am totally okay with you making these arguments

00:33:56.700 publicly. The only argument that I would push against is these people can't be part of the

00:34:02.720 new right alliance. These people can't be part of the pro natalist movement because then we move

00:34:08.720 into woke territory and it's why the wokes failed because they didn't allow any ideological diversity

00:34:13.800 was in their movement. Yeah. And to be fair, we've buried the hatchet with Lyman Stone. We've,

00:34:18.960 we've talked. It's we're good now. We like him. We've talked and, and yeah, I'm, I'm totally fine.

00:34:25.080 As long as he doesn't attack like new people, because it look like as people who are sort of

00:34:29.040 seen as like the face of a movement, I feel like really personally hurt when people come

00:34:33.820 into this movement, expecting a diverse and thoughtful environment. And then they get

00:34:39.080 attacked by people either because of beliefs that they hold or their sexuality or something

00:34:45.200 like that. And I'm like, that is not the movement that we're trying to cultivate here. Right? Like

00:34:50.300 I want people to feel safe with ideological diversity. So long as in terms of the policy

00:34:57.940 that we're all working together to implement, we, we, we remember because it's true. We have

00:35:04.800 like 98% overlap in policy goals. Yeah, exactly. In realistically implementable policy goals.

00:35:11.640 You know, would, would we like to fund like genetic research in humans more? Of course.

00:35:17.020 But we can. And would they like to ban abortion? Well, they can. And would Lyman stone love for,

00:35:23.640 you know, paid family leave and free childcare? Yes, but we can't have that. No, that's not going

00:35:28.960 to work. No, that won't pass. So like, we don't have to disagree about these things because they're

00:35:32.940 not going to happen. Let's focus on the few things that actually can get passed, which is a great point

00:35:37.700 to focus on. Yeah. And I think that that's what makes this, this alliance work. And it's something

00:35:43.420 that we should rather than, because there's sort of this woke right idea that some people have been

00:35:49.220 trying to push. And while I understand the sentiment behind it, I think a better way to,

00:35:55.560 to align with this stuff is, look, you want to be more extreme than me on some issues.

00:36:01.800 We're not the left. I'm not going to re you out of the room because you tell me something. I want to

00:36:06.440 engage in constructive debate around like what is actually going to come as a result.

00:36:11.100 We love those debates. They're really good debates. Again, we love debating

00:36:14.400 ironic material on the internet and the, you know, legality when life begins of abortion with

00:36:20.940 Heritage Foundation team members. Which we do. That is fun. And we love it. And we all enjoy it.

00:36:26.320 Like it's. I've, I've changed my perspective on issues. Yes. Yeah. It helps us get to a more

00:36:30.740 nuanced perspective. Like all of these things are positive. And so it's good to debate, but it's also

00:36:35.460 really good to focus on the stuff that we actually can address because we pretty much all agree on those

00:36:39.060 things. Yeah. And so I think that, that within the new right Alliance or the tech right Alliance,

00:36:46.700 the, this continues to work only in so far as we do not become gatekeepers. There's a big difference

00:36:54.200 between disagreeing with people and attempting to gatekeep support for our combined cause. And where I

00:37:01.640 would say, even within this logical framework, gatekeeping makes sense is gatekeeping around issues

00:37:06.640 that you can actually win wins on your own. Right. And gatekeeping around things like

00:37:13.420 intergenerational improvement of Americans is not something you could, like, she was like,

00:37:19.000 they don't want more Americans. They want better Americans. And I'm like, of course we want,

00:37:23.840 do you not want better Americans? Like our in-state is Captain America. That's what we're striving for.

00:37:30.460 You know, we're, we're, we're, we're striving for the, the, when people look at us and they're like,

00:37:36.740 oh, this is like weird, you know, transhumanist nonsense. Right. Where it's like, they want to 1.00

00:37:42.980 create some sort of like post gender, the weirdo is like blue hair. But they dress up their five-year-old 0.98

00:37:50.920 son in a Captain America Halloween costume. So whatever. You know what I mean? But the point I'm

00:37:55.340 making is that if Elon Musk is going to represent, you know, fundamentally like the Tony Stark of this

00:38:02.940 timeline, we aim to represent with our counter-cultural wholesomeness, the Captain America of this

00:38:11.400 timeline. We aim to represent, yes, we can make better Americans and that they don't represent a 0.82

00:38:20.920 subversion of American values, but a fulfillment of everything America has ever stood for,

00:38:27.260 which is pushing humanity to its absolute limits and then pass them to landing on the moon to,

00:38:35.400 you know, that is what America, to the, the, the, the atomic bomb project to the, like America has

00:38:43.800 always been about over the top boundary pushing science. And I think we, as a movement are like,

00:38:51.080 no, we needed to go back to like a pre AI era and a pre human, you know, augmentation era and a pre,

00:38:57.420 I want to protect the Amish's right to be that way. And I want to protect your culture. 0.89

00:39:02.500 Because if we, if we're not the ones to do it, no, one's going to protect the right of the Amish

00:39:06.660 to not be a part of some dystopian AI world. And it's not going to be America run and we can't afford

00:39:13.020 that. Don't attack the one like pro technology group that core ideological mission is to protect

00:39:20.540 you in a future where other groups will have this technology. Yeah. The, the right to be a granola

00:39:28.500 human is right now something that I think a lot of people take for granted, but they don't take into

00:39:34.040 account the longterm of what's going to happen if they create an environment where the granola humans

00:39:41.220 become existentially hostile to the non-granola humans. Yeah. Yeah. Do you like my term there? 0.97

00:39:47.200 Granola human? I don't, I, do you understand what I mean when I say it? Like the crunchy granola mom?

00:39:51.200 Yeah. When we, when, yeah, people hear the term granola mom or crunchy mom, they, it's all the same

00:39:57.060 thing. I guess almond mom is a little different, but yeah, they get it. We, we don't push it, this stuff

00:40:03.740 in the way that some technologists do for like no reason. We push at it to defeat those who would

00:40:10.900 impose their culture on us. And today that might be Wocus, which, you know, we've fought against with 1.00

00:40:17.560 our school system. You can check out parasia.io is absolutely amazing. Now I really would just

00:40:23.520 unmitigatedly be like, this is in most ways better than I'd say at least 50% of the colleges in the

00:40:29.860 United States, if not 75% of the colleges in the United States. And soon I think it will be better

00:40:34.800 unapologetically to all the colleges in the United States. Like that's where we are with the ways that

00:40:41.420 we have been adapting AI to break the chokehold that the urban monoculture has on our youth.

00:40:47.920 And we've made this something that you can edit whatever your religious traditions are, whether

00:40:52.460 you're a conservative Mormon or an evangelical or an Orthodox Jew, you can just delete nodes and we can 0.91

00:40:58.120 help you with that. Right? Like we have created a system that is designed to help protect, not just

00:41:05.820 our values, but yours. And I think that that's where the new right is, is people with diverse values

00:41:12.220 saying, I'm not here to protect just my values. I am here to protect your values. So long as you're

00:41:17.680 not pushing those values on me. Which I think is closer to what the founding fathers wanted.

00:41:22.980 Oh, absolutely. This is the founding fathers. If you look at early America, I mean, the different

00:41:29.000 colonnades were culturally radically different from each other in all of the initial debates

00:41:33.680 within getting them all to come together in one country was like, okay, but we all hate each other,

00:41:39.180 right? Okay. We all hate each other, but we'll work better to protect all of our independent ways

00:41:44.920 of life working together. And I really liked that analogy for the new right. The new right is the

00:41:50.920 founding fathers against the British. It is a bunch of radically different cultural experiments.

00:41:57.420 And I might think, you know, what you are doing in the deep South or over in, you know, Quaker 1.00

00:42:06.060 Philadelphia is like a bit fruity, but like, so long as you don't impose your values legalistically on me

00:42:14.380 in the backwoods, like we can work together. And I think that it not just, we can work together.

00:42:20.880 We can be proud to work together and build a wider vision of vitalism that works. And a lot of people

00:42:27.160 have been like, well, then what is that? Like, is the new right just reactive to the left? And it's

00:42:31.120 like, no, it's absolutely not. It has very clear goals, which is to one, preserve the multitude of

00:42:38.040 conservative traditions that make up the American tapestry, whether that's traditional,

00:42:42.200 you know, Catholic Irish or traditional deep South Baptist or traditional Orthodox Jews,

00:42:48.520 or the always moving forwards form of Puritan that we represent. We're like the founding father

00:42:55.120 Dias would like scratch out and be like, okay, let's try to rethink this. Let's try to rethink that. 1.00

00:42:59.240 Those are all classical strains of American thought that worked together in the past and can continue

00:43:06.580 to work together to create a bright future for us. So that's one thing is we work together against

00:43:11.800 the urban monoculture, but it is preserving our cultural autonomy, which is first and foremost on

00:43:17.620 the social front. And then on the economic front, it's about whatever works, you know, like Trump's

00:43:22.920 American Academy, which is meant to create like socialize the American educational system to destroy 0.96

00:43:27.600 the college system as it exists right now. That's very right. That's very new, right? It's very socialist

00:43:33.220 as well. You know, JD Vance's like minimum wage stuff, like our stuff around like, Hey, UBI might

00:43:39.080 be necessary in an age of AI. The Doge is, Hey, we need to destroy these inefficient government

00:43:44.980 departments that are just burning cash right now, or, or spending it on, you know, extending the urban

00:43:49.900 monoculture to reach. This is something that we can just so all universally agree with. Like, why are we

00:43:56.500 splitting hairs when there's so much left to be done in the areas, which we agree?

00:44:01.360 Does something like this coalition of ideologically very different parties aligning in the name of

00:44:07.580 sovereignty exist elsewhere? Like, is this what the far, far right people in Germany are fighting for?

00:44:13.220 Or is this just not something we really see anywhere else?

00:44:15.180 I think that this is something that we, if the far right of the, like the AFD and, and, and Nigel

00:44:21.340 Farage's party in the UK are going to survive, they are going to need to learn from this form of

00:44:28.500 quote unquote, far right ideology. And I think they're doing it to an extent, but it is articulating

00:44:34.720 that we are a diverse set of conservative cultural traditions where conservatives mostly just how

00:44:41.240 different we are from the mainstream culture. And we all are working together to preserve human

00:44:48.800 flourishing in the future and to preserve the flourishing of our own nation states, which we

00:44:54.640 have a degree of patriotism for, but that patriotism is going to look very different.

00:45:00.360 One person said to me, I was talking to like a leftist reporter, I was on like ABC or something

00:45:03.560 recently. And they were like, you know, well, like, why, why are you trying to, or they said,

00:45:09.720 well, just certainly you wouldn't side with like the nationalists. Right. And I was like,

00:45:13.640 why wouldn't I side with the nationalists? Why is it such a crime to have pride in who you are

00:45:17.740 and your ancestors? But in America, nationalism, if you go back to the time of the founding fathers

00:45:22.540 is intrinsically a collection of diverse groups. And, and we don't even not represent one of those

00:45:27.640 groups. Like anyone who knows the stories of the founding fathers knows that they were Christian,

00:45:31.500 a number of them, but they were like weird Christians. A lot of them were as well. And, 1.00

00:45:35.940 and us being weird Christians, does it make us not like part of the team that made up the founding

00:45:41.460 coalition of this country. And we want to recreate a team like that so we can fight and have a shot at

00:45:50.100 fighting those who would oppose us. We want to create the party of Captain America, not the party

00:45:56.100 of the Pearl Clutcher. The left is the party of the Pearl Clutcher, not us.

00:46:00.420 Well, it's just, it's so odd to me that we've allowed political baggage of some past movements

00:46:08.700 to make pride in something that you've built and contributed to a bad thing. Like if you are proud

00:46:19.240 to pay taxes and you're proud of what your country stands for and fights for, then why would you not

00:46:25.580 be nationalistic? Although I do understand that there's plenty of people who don't like

00:46:29.220 their country, but then I don't know, get out like, or find something better because it's really,

00:46:37.900 I think we're doing pretty well in, in a large scheme of things. I was just listening to a very,

00:46:45.280 very, very long analysis of the weird corruption and, and cult associations slash shaman associations

00:46:52.120 of past Korean prime ministers. And I'm just thinking like, wow, man, we're, we're doing all

00:46:57.860 right. It's okay. Yeah. No, I mean, in the U S we're doing really strong and I, we just want to

00:47:02.720 make sure that we don't take too much like over our handle because we're like, okay, we're on the

00:47:08.200 winning side now and accidentally crash this alliance over things that are irrelevant from the perspective

00:47:14.760 of policy that we can actually get past. And I also, you know, I point out historically speaking,

00:47:21.520 the idea of the American versus the, the, for example, Nazi super soldier has always been an 0.53

00:47:27.900 idea of the American chooses, you know, their culture chooses to undergo this, you know, this

00:47:34.640 is them, this is their family. Whereas with Nazis, it's always forced upon some poor unsuspecting test

00:47:40.780 subject, um, who's from, you know, a differential cultural group. And I think in America, like in other 0.53

00:47:47.720 countries in China, they might not be able to get their super soldiers without forcing people. So that

00:47:52.300 becomes culturally normal. But within America, we have enough internal diversity that you have weird

00:47:56.800 groups like us that are going to engage with that stuff and do want to protect you. And I think that

00:48:02.100 that should be seen as a blessing rather than something that you want to stamp out.

00:48:06.280 Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I agree, but I'm also way too aligned with you for

00:48:13.840 steel manning some other view. I'm, I'm myopic really too much in your camp. So I just hope this

00:48:21.300 keeps up and that we don't let this movement become fractured because that is 100% what the left is

00:48:29.480 trying to do as this shown in countless media stories of president Elon. Well, that plus these

00:48:37.240 attempts to, for example, characterize the pernatalist movement is deeply ideologically

00:48:42.560 divided when in the end, yeah, we have raucous debates, but we have those debates with smiles

00:48:49.220 on our faces and in the same room, you know, we go to each other's events.

00:48:53.320 Yeah. And it's, it's very much like, you know, and I debate the heritage foundation, people over

00:48:56.760 stuff like, you know, when, when does life begin, for example, it's not like the left where they

00:49:03.080 hold this for like dogmatic and insane reasons. And it's really clear that they're just trying to look

00:49:08.600 like good people. They don't actually care about what's true. They clearly believe what they're

00:49:13.940 saying, which is why I don't hold it against them. It reminds me of when somebody was like,

00:49:18.780 you know, early was, was, you know, one of the people we work with and they're like, oh,

00:49:22.680 this guy is homophobic. Like you shouldn't work with him. And I, and I thought that about

00:49:26.720 him for a while. And then I looked it up and I was like, wait, he's just a Mormon. Like, 0.98

00:49:29.980 are you saying like, I can't be friends with a Mormon? Like that's just religious discrimination,

00:49:34.100 right? Like he doesn't have these beliefs because he hates gay people. He has these beliefs because 0.99

00:49:40.060 of his religion. Like, and it's the same with, with these groups that like the heritage foundation,

00:49:44.880 they have these beliefs where I think, you know, if you talk somebody out of IVF, you functionally

00:49:49.520 killed their kids, right? Like it's a very big deal to me because those are kids that would have

00:49:54.420 existed had you not done that. And this is something that they do regularly was in their

00:49:58.640 cultural groups. And then they can be like, well, how do you have no animosity about that? 0.66

00:50:02.400 And it goes, because I don't believe they're doing it with a single ounce of malice. I think they

00:50:08.420 a thousand percent believe everything they're saying. And I think the movement works because

00:50:14.220 they know, like when I look at my kids and I'm like, why am I pro IVF? Because I hug my kids every

00:50:18.540 day, right? Like in a world where that's not there, those kids don't exist. And you can say, well,

00:50:23.560 I didn't kill them technically speaking. And it's like, well, let's be clear. There's,

00:50:27.240 there's just no way that Malcolm and I could have had kids without IVF. So no way, no way. She does

00:50:33.260 not have periods. Not just that. Like we tried everything leading up to that, like forcing

00:50:39.480 the periods, forcing more ovulation, forcing, like measuring everything, working with an IVF clinic on

00:50:48.040 every step of the, no, none of it worked. And then we got a diagnosis and like, there's just also other,

00:50:53.260 other complications anatomically with me that would make it impossible for me.

00:50:58.320 Yeah. Our kids do not exist in a no IVF world. And that makes it really hard for me to support

00:51:04.300 that world. Would you love your kids as much as you love your kids, right? Like people love their

00:51:09.160 kids, right? And the thought that those kids wouldn't exist is horrifying to me. So obviously

00:51:14.640 I'm ideologically very invested in this, but not so invested that I can't see where they're coming

00:51:22.560 from. And I can't see the arguments that they're making. And the way I convince them is with logic,

00:51:27.840 not whiz, dogmatism or shrieking or exclusion.

00:51:32.900 Yeah.

00:51:35.900 Oh, well.

00:51:38.060 Anyway, love you to death, Simone.

00:51:40.660 I love you too. And I love that you're a big 10 kind of guy.

00:51:45.720 I'm so excited for this though. Anytime someone mentions Mittens Romney, I'm like, this, this is

00:51:57.680 the best. Let's do it. Let's talk. I'm so disappointed by what could have been.

00:52:05.800 That was during the Obama era. No way he was going to win.

00:52:08.420 I know. I know you can't win against Obama. And I was so excited when Obama won.

00:52:12.060 And this is where you admit was probably excited when Obama won.

00:52:15.200 This is where you get the craziness of supposedly, if you believe the, the posted numbers that Biden

00:52:21.720 beat Obama by 16 percentage points, which is just comical in terms of turnout, but we won't go into

00:52:29.460 that because that's too spicy a topic. Okay.

00:52:34.500 Wait, why do you need golden pants?

00:52:37.000 Because if you give me that, so I, I love you. So if you train me,

00:52:41.660 so if you trade me golden pants, then I'll get anything you want.

00:52:47.220 Even a golden pants and golden skirts and golden glasses.

00:52:51.520 But if you give me golden pants, will you have golden pants?

00:52:56.800 Yeah, well, I can also, I'm going to get you, I'm going to get you infinity dollars.

00:53:02.600 And I become a doll if you give me those golden pants.

00:53:06.560 But how will having golden pants give you infinity dollars?

00:53:10.900 No, I can just make it when I become an adult.

00:53:14.700 Oh, so you'll pay me back later.

00:53:17.620 Yeah, when I go on a cruise.

00:53:20.360 Because sometimes when I become an adult, then I can go on a cruise to tell them I'll buy you

00:53:29.080 golden glasses if you trade me, um, uh, infinity dollars.

00:53:35.420 I don't have infinity dollars.

00:53:37.500 Oh, you can make some.

00:53:39.000 Well, you can tell my dad to make some.

00:53:41.760 Okay, so what if someone just liked and subscribed, are you going to tell them your full name?

00:54:08.960 Yeah, I'll tell you my full name now.

00:54:12.920 My whole name.

00:54:14.100 I'll keep it.

00:54:15.160 George Collins.

00:54:16.860 I'll keep it my first name, my middle name, a secret for, uh, here.

00:54:23.220 Thanks, buddy.

00:54:24.120 I love you.

00:54:25.080 I love you, too.

00:54:26.200 Hey, guess what, subscribers?

00:54:28.300 If you like, I'll subscribe.

00:54:30.220 Then we'll try buying you golden.

00:54:33.180 Then, um, uh, so when you like and subscribe to the channel and tell me down the road what

00:54:41.560 you like, then we'll give you it.

00:54:44.020 If you like that, we'll give you it when I become an adult because I'm already a kid.

00:54:49.320 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't have that much money.

00:54:53.140 I just have my collection and do you see some cards and a box and

00:54:58.740 That's weak.

00:54:59.380 That's not it.

00:55:00.740 Then we'll get to him.

00:55:01.740 Let's go.

00:55:02.600 Let's go.

00:55:03.380 Let's go.

00:55:04.420 And now, um, dis, let's go.

00:55:06.880 Let's go.

00:55:08.120 Let's go.

00:55:11.000 Let's go.

00:55:11.900 Let's go.

00:55:20.260 Let's go.

00:55:21.120 Let's go.

00:55:23.160 Let's go.

00:55:24.940 Let's go.

00:55:25.420 Let's go.

00:55:25.980 First, let's go.

00:55:26.960 If I can't go.

Based Camp - May 09, 2025

How Mitt Romney Catalyzed The Emergence Of The New Right

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