How Mitt Romney Catalyzed The Emergence Of The New Right
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In this episode, we discuss the role of Mitt Romney in the birth of the new right, and how his victory in the 2012 presidential election changed the political landscape of the country for the better. We also talk about a recent tweet from the Heritage Foundation's Emma Waters, who argues against genetic engineering in order to improve intergenerationally.
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be talking to you today. Today, we are going to be talking about
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how Mitt Romney, of all people, instigated the chain of events that led to the political
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realignment of America, and then from there, the political realignment of the right and the left
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across many countries around the world, and that in a way, his candidacy burst the new right. Now,
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I note it did not come from support of his candidacy. It actually came from a faction
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of the right that was disappointed with his loss and where the party had gone, but he also opened
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doors that really changed a number of things. So inadvertently, he loosened the lid on the tight
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jar of the new right. Yes, yes. Exciting. I love this theory. And I want to discuss this in the
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context of a friend of ours who works for the Heritage Foundation, Emma Waters, did a tweet
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chain recently saying that people who do things like us that want to improve intergenerationally,
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because right now, you know, let's be honest, we're talking about like polygenic selection,
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which, you know, we do, Elon's does, like a lot of the tech elite do. But what Emma Waters is
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criticizing more broadly, because it's not just polygenic risk selection, is this concept of
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designer babies, which we are totally for. We're like, yes, designer babies. Yes, CRISPR editing.
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Yes, like all of the things. We are 100% into that. And I don't want people to misconstrue it. Yes,
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of course, right now we're choosing birth order largely based on cancer risk to buy time for cures
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for our kids who have higher cancer risk. That doesn't mean that when we get the chance to...
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Well, and I think that the polygenic risk conversation occludes the morality of the
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larger conversation, because they're focused more on not using all of the embryos, when the real
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question at hand was in the next 20 to 30 years... Should we be genetically modifying humans? Yeah.
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And that is, it's such an important conversation. And I texted Emma when she posted it, when I saw it,
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that I was just so glad that she's bringing this debate up, because it's not discussed enough.
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And what we're heading toward, because this is what's happening at scientific conferences. I was
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just checking in on this recently, is people just like, this is unethical. Let's just not do it. Let's
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just not do it. And it's really, it's stifling research. It's stifling development. And what I
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want instead are very productive discussions of, okay, why? Why exactly is this so bad?
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Well, what's interesting here is a lot of the pushback against it is coming from the left.
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The vast minority of the pushback against it is coming from the right. And this is the first time we've
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really seen a right-leaning mainstream individual who we've been working with, like, do this level
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of pushback. And I, you know, one of the things that we pointed out to her... Well, and it's very
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explicit. I want to point out that from the moment we first met Emma Waters, which was at the first
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natal con two years ago, her whole stance was IVF is not good. Any sort of reprotech is something that
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should be avoided at all costs. And really what we need to do is get at the root causes of fertility,
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that we don't want to move toward these abominations of reprotech. And instead we want to
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find natural, you know, let's go back to tracking our cycles, getting to know our bodies, not taking
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birth control, avoiding endogenous irritants or pollutants that harm fertility, which is a very
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legitimate stance. But what we don't agree with is that like, oh, but you can't or shouldn't do these
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other things. No, no, that's not even what we disagree with. What we disagree with is it makes
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sense to split this political allegiance over, or alliance that's been building over this issue.
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And that is what she suggested doing in her chain of tweets. She's saying we cannot have a
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pro natalist movement with people who use this type of technology. Yeah. She's like good pro natalists
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don't do designer babies, which is a bigger problem because what she's essentially saying as she says
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that is we cannot have the tech right new right alliance, which is damaging. We cannot have the
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tech right MAGA alliance, which is crippling going forwards. If we take this dance for the right being
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able to win. So just to explain that before we get into the whole Romney chain here, the areas where we
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differ with people like her are incredibly small in terms of what could actually pass in policy.
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So if you're like, okay, what are your guys like, and when I say small, I mean like 2%, maybe we have
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policy differences, which I think surprises a lot of people, but because they haven't thought through
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it's like, well, you two have radically different views on the world, but where your views differentiate,
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neither of you could actually win any legislation. So it doesn't make sense to split up alliances based
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on those differentiations. Exactly. An example of this would be is we would campaign for stricter
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access to abortion, earlier laws around abortion. She would campaign for stricter access to abortion,
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earlier laws around abortion, right? You know, in, in, in her perfect world, it wouldn't happen at all.
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And it would be completely illegal. And in ours, it wouldn't be except that'll never pass in the United
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States, right? So it doesn't make sense to split the alliance over this because it's not something
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that can pass or in her perfect world, you know, you might end up outlawing IVF, but outlawing IVF
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would destroy the Republican party's base. Like it is not a popular idea or in, in certain factions.
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I don't think that this is her views, but in certain factions of this, this split, some people are like
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against gays and gay marriage, right? Like they're like no gay marriage in the United States. And it's
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like, fine. I would disagree with that, but it's not worth splitting the alliance on because you
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couldn't win a any, you couldn't even win among only Republican voters. If you were anti-gay marriage
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in the United States, that's how silly that is, or at least it would be close. Like, and so there's
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these areas where we have these differential perspectives, but it is really important that we
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don't do what the wokes do that. We don't do what the Democrats do and say, okay, yeah, we're you're,
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you're different on any one issue. Like JK Rowling different on just one issue. Let's kick her out
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of the party and, and villainize her and say that we can't work with her. We work as a coalition
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because we're being practical about actually getting stuff done. And if you look at what the white
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house is doing right now, they are achieving things that Republicans have wanted to achieve for the past
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two decades, you know, in an amazing rate. And it's the tech bros who are doing it because they're
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not, I don't want to say deep state bureaucrats, but what I will say is that if you are pulling from
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entrenched political players, you are going to get people, whether they are Democrat or Republican in
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their leanings that have deep connections to the deep state and therefore have deep connections in
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the status quo, not changing. And that's one reason why this alliance has been so fruitful at the
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level of implementation. But so we'll get to like what the alliance means, what the alliances goals
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are. But I wanted to start here by being like, please, the Democrats are constantly trying to break
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us up. Don't, don't let, they're constantly trying to get Trump and Elon to fight. They're constantly
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trying to, when one of us succumbs to that, instead of being like, and this, this is why this tweet got to
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me because it didn't say, you know, these two, I disagree with them. Let's talk about the philosophy
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on this or tech, right. People are not specifically calling out like, I disagree. It said they are not
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pro natals. And if we are not pro natalists, then we are not part of the new right coalition. And that's
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a big problem. And we have been, and the tech right, I would say was in this coalition has been incredibly
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charitable to the heritage foundation. They have taken over the IVF, like the pro IVF bills.
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Well, sorry to follow up the first strictly prenatalist executive order released was basically
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one promising to figure out how to reduce the cost of IVF in the United States. The heritage is one of
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the leading contingents advising the white house on how to reduce those costs, but they're only doing
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it by, well, the best form of IVF is no IVF. Isn't that so much less expensive. It's $0 to IVF. Here's how
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we do it, which again, is totally in line with their philosophy, but not actually addressing what was
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Yeah. And there is easy things that could be done. The, I'm going to call it like the licensing
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agency for embryologists only licensed 80 a year. It's one of those like artificially created monopolies
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to increase their salary. Like De Beers, someone described it to us, which is insane. That is very
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low hanging fruit and yet. Very easy to fix. But of course they wouldn't think to look at things like
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that because, and we haven't put up a stink about this, right? Like we're like, okay, this is the
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terms of the Alliance. You guys don't come for IVF. You can, you know, restricted or not make it
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cheaper in the ways you want to in working with the administration, but, and, and none of the other
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like pro IVF, pro embryo like selection parts of the tech, right? Have come at the white house for
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choosing the heritage foundation to be the ones to execute on this. Like I know that like we have been
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incredibly gracious in terms of our role was in this. And we want to make sure that nobody pushes
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anyone else off the table. When we, for example, have, have said things critical of Lyman stone,
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a lot of that for us was driven by him attacking other people who wanted to be a part of the
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coalition who came out saying, I'm a pro natalist. And he's like, oh, well, I disagree with you here,
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here, here, here, here. And it's like, look, if somebody's new in the movement, we need to do what
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we can to raise their status or a new convert and not belittle them because that's how we create
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this harmonious alliance that doesn't become what the wokes became. Yeah. Even if we disagree with
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their policies, it's important to be a big 10 movement. So, I mean, I get that, you know,
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Lyman is a very passionate person and he, it's in his personality to criticize things that he doesn't
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agree with. And I get that, but we're, we're really trying to be a big 10 movement. And if people feel
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like they're being shoved out or this is being fractured, we all lose power. We all lose the
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ability to raise awareness about this and do something. Yes. And do something about our many,
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many shared goals, whether it's, you know, education reform, making abortion less common,
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you know, it's strengthening America and ensuring that we are a powerful country. And in the, the
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argument, I argued with her because her whole thing was against like genetically modifying humans.
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It's like a fundamentally like an un-American thing. And what I pointed out is, you know,
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if we don't do this in America, somebody else is going to do it. And eventually it was in a few
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generations, you know, your children are going to be under the jackboot of Chinese super soldiers.
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When we tell the left, we were like, Hey guys, if you don't have kids, you're not going to exist in
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the future. And they read us, you know, they're reading, but it's obviously true what we're saying.
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If we tell people on the right, if you deny technologies that allow for intergenerational
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improvement in human capacity, whether it is genetic augmentation or human AI integration and
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stuff like that, BCI, that's where I started my career was in brain computer interface.
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Eventually groups that are engaging with these technologies are going to be able to exert power
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over you so long as they actually do increase their capacity. And if they don't increase their
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capacity, then people are going to stop engaging with them. So what are you fighting over? Right?
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So you're essentially ensuring the death of the American empire and anyone who might be able to
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protect your right to not use technologies like this to stay granola. Whereas we, the tech right,
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have a philosophy of, we want to have the choice to engage with reproductive technologies we engage with
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and the, and the human, you know, AI stuff we engage with, but we don't want that to ever be forced
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on anyone else. We want everyone to have the right to make these decisions for themselves.
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And as I pointed out, you know, this is not like the idea of human augmentation and advancement is
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not anti-America. The avatar of patriotism in America is Captain America. Captain America is a human
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who was augmented by scientists to be better. We didn't hate the Nazis because they were trying to
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make people healthier or better. We hated the Nazis because they were forcing other people into
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coercive fertility decisions, whether it was having more kids than they would have or having less kids
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than they would have or how they were having kids. And that's the position you're taking when you try to
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restrict our access to this sort of technology. And it's a fundamentally Nazi-esque and un-American
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position because America is a country that is defined by alternate cultural hypotheses competing
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but in an environment where the one thing we all agree on is you won't force your way of life on us
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and we won't force our way of life on you so that we can protect each other's ways of life. And I think that
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this is where the old right really sort of makes mistakes because they think about the country in a context
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where they had enough of votes with their broadly agreed upon Judeo-Christian traditionalist value set
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to win national elections and then enforce those values on the population where they just don't have
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that anymore. If you want to protect traditional 1950s Americanaism, the left which has the dominant
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power, the urban monoculture which has the dominant power, they won't elect you into office. You protect
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that by aligning yourself with other people who are running cultural experiments that are also
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alternate to the left. Yeah. But let's get into the Mitt Romney thing because this is really interesting
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to me. Interesting, yeah. I want to see your argument for this. I'm not sure. Like, I don't see how it could be
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because at first I thought, well, you're going to say it's because he was Mormon and that made him different
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from this sort of evangelical Protestant base that was GOP Inc. But we had previously elected Catholics.
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Yes, they were Democrats, but like- No, no, no. Hold on. You are glossing over this. The Republican Party
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in its entire history has never had a Catholic frontrunner even till today for presidential office.
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In fact, they've never had a non-Protestant other than Mitt Romney.
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Yeah, making J.D. Vance quite notable, actually. But yeah, so let's go into Romney. I want to hear your take here.
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Go into Romney. Before this, the alliance, the Judeo-Christian alliance, had sort of looked at where the shadows
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of the various Christian denominations overlap and said, this is the culture we want to enforce upon
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the United States and its citizens through laws, through the way we govern, through the way the state operates.
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And this created a winning coalition for a long time. And the backbone of that coalition was evangelicals.
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Catholics were mostly, even today, Catholic majority Democrat. And historically, they were far Democrat.
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And if you want to understand why, it was because the mainstream American system,
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what the KKK was trying to protect against, is it was Blacks, Jews, and Catholics. Those were the groups
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that they lynched. And I think, I remember I mentioned this in the previous ethic code, and somebody's like,
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wait, the KKK was predominantly interested in Catholics as much as Black people? And I'm like,
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yes! Jews were a bit of an afterthought for them, but it was like Blacks and the Catholics.
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These were the two primary un-American forces that they were intent on stamping out.
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And when RFK became a nominee for president, many people freaked out because they were like,
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well, isn't he going to be loyal to the Pope and not to the American people?
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That's like electing a woman and being like, well, but isn't she going to be loyal to her husband?
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Right? Well, I mean, and people ask this about Mitt Romney. Isn't he going to be loyal to the
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Mormon church over the American people? And this is a viable question to ask, right? Like,
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historically speaking, if you're creating this alliance of different Christian denominations,
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but you're like, but, you know, what we say, it's like Judeo-Christian values. What we mean is
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Protestant values and traditionalist American Protestant values.
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And then Mitt Romney comes in, and he increasingly runs and increasingly normalizes. When he first started
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running, everyone was horrified that he was Mormon.
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Yeah, how can there be this Mormon freak president? But also he looks so like, well,
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like many Mormons. So clean cut, corporate, friendly, spotless.
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And this is part of what created the new right. So we'll get to this. So Mitt Romney comes into office
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and he, not office, but he comes into like the dominant position within the American Republican
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coalition. Right. And largely by the time he does, most of the evangelicals had actually gotten okay
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with him. If you're looking at white evangelicals, 62% strongly favored Romney. Only 28% had reservations
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and only 9% were only voting for him as a rejection of Obama.
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So that, consider that of Mormons, 2% were primarily voting for him out of a rejection of Obama. So they
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were only like three times more than that. Right. And Mormon's view of the metaphysical nature of the
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world is quite different from the traditional Christian view. And what was interesting is
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the, he captured wholesomeness and a wholesome family and a, you know, like teetotaler, like doing
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everything the correct way lifestyle much more than the other Protestant groups were doing as Mormons
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have for a while. And so the idea, and this has happened to me a number of times within, you know,
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if you go to modern conservative spaces online, you know, you're going to get people talking about
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figures like, you know, John Vervenky or Jordan Peterson. And these are individuals who are
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definitely not Christian in a normal context, but nobody would see them as antagonistic to the
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modern conservative cause. If you look at people like us with our weird techno Puritan beliefs,
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I mean, we are 100% Christians from our perspective because we base our religion off of the Bible
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and really street. Like if you go to our, our, our track series, we may have a lot of heretical
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beliefs, but they come from alternate readings of the lines from the Bible. Right. And so I will engage
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with Christians often in the new right coalition and I will drop with them. I'll be like, well,
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I'm a Christian. I'm probably not in a way that you would really accept, you know, like we've had
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redeemed zoomer on our show and stuff like that. And I drop things that I think they're going to be
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like, no, I, I hate you. And they're like, no, you know, I have some friends in this church that
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believe that, or I have some for, you know, that's not really so bad. That's not really so bad. And it
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feels a bit like that scene from something like it hot where, where I'm like, actually maybe like,
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I mean, I know that there's some areas where they're like, okay, that is definitely heretical.
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Like that our version of Christianity does not believe if you watch our last track that Jesus Christ
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claimed to literally be God's son. We point out that in the old Testament, people said I'm God's
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son all the time. Even today, people are like, they call God the father. They don't mean he's
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literally their father. To give more color here. What is written in the Bible is that God impregnated
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Mary using Joseph's DNA. We know he used Joseph's DNA because if he didn't, then Jesus wouldn't be the
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Messiah because the Messiah had to be patrilineally descended from the house of David. And that makes
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God's role closer to an IVF doctor's role. And yet no one would say that an IVF doctor is the father
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of my kids, even though all my kids were conceived through IVF, nor do we describe God to be the
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literal father of other children. He helps them miraculously conceive throughout the old and new
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Testament. And so we go through all the stuff in that tract. If you want to get into like why we have
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this heretical understanding, but it's in part because we believe that it's what the text is
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actually arguing when you go and read the text in context. But, but that's like a super heretical
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belief that I expected would have us pushed far more out of Christian circles or far less accepted.
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And I think, and people can look at us and be like, wow, that's really heretical, but it's not as
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heretical as Jordan Peterson, who just doesn't accept the Christian faith at all. It's not as heretical
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as John Vervenky. He's like, well, Christianity is good, but more as like a set of like
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metaphysical stories and stuff like that, you know, they, they're, they're seen as very like
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inoffensive within this movement. So in a way, the ways that we're offensive is because we actually
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like deeply believe the text in a way that these other individuals don't. So they're like, okay,
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maybe they'll, they'll be brought over. But the point I'm making here is, is this allowed for this
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broader coalition to build? And what was interesting is it actually began to build an opposition
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because Mitt Romney failed. He failed against Obama and the way he built his coalition sort of
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expanding this theocratic framework to a wider array of denominations also fundamentally failed
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to win at the electorate. And then he was one of the early ones to turn on Trumpism, MAGA-ism,
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the new form of the Republican coalition as it began to grow, which was an alliance of essentially
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every group that was against the urban monoculture instead of just one or two groups that was against
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the urban monoculture. So it's much more focused on preventing the urban monocultures, imperialist
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tendencies around the school system, around messaging, around media, around art, then trying to impose
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our own imperialist tendencies. And in many ways, it's the anti-imperialist faction, because that's the
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only way we can preserve multiple minority traditionalist factions. So Mitt Romney comes
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out, attacks this, is like, oh, we need to get back to being reasonable and well-buttoned and
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everything like that. And in so doing, he made that form of Christianity kind of distasteful to the average
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American. The, the overly sober, the overly, I don't push people's buttons, the overly wholesome
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in a way where the wholesomeness isn't offensive. Like I think if you look at our messaging, we're
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wholesome, but in a way that is offensive. It's deeply offensive to people. Yeah. And that, that looks
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weird. And Mormons are really, really good at, at almost over-correcting for the weirdness of their
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history or religion in a way that involves them looking to your point, like pod people. But of
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course, this is coming from us weirdos who are deeply uncomfortable with conformity. So I think
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that goes to show how conformist and how crowd friendly or, or normie friendly the general Mormon
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aesthetic is, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that he made that, you know, aesthetic sort of uncool on the
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intellectual side of the right. And as an immediate response to him, that's where you had, what was
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it called? The dark, the dark. Oh, the intellectual dark web. The intellectual dark web. You're going
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to talk about dark academia, the fashion. No, no, no, no, no, no. The intellectual, the dark academia,
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like a, a style, which is cute. I like it. Yeah. You, you, you know, I, I dated my girlfriend before
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Simone was very dark academia style. She was, I was immediately thinking of her.
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But the, the, the, the, the intellectual dark web arose in that post Romney era of sort of we,
00:24:03.180
if we're going to like seriously engage with this, we need to be subversive because the dominant culture
00:24:09.320
no longer agrees with the form of overly concerned, what other people think of them wholesomeness
00:24:15.920
that Mitt Romney represented. Interesting. Huh? Wow. And then he was like this catalyst that
00:24:24.960
triggered a domino effect. Well, there was a secondary catalyst, which was an alliance of
00:24:30.860
when people talk about the tech elite, they're like, okay, so who, who are the tech elite? Are they
00:24:35.560
like the people who work at like Amazon? Are they like, no, they are people who live within tech
00:24:41.920
environments? This is the 4chan diaspora, the red pill. Yeah. It really shouldn't be tech elite.
00:24:48.280
It should be edgy atheist diaspora, the gamer gate diaspora diaspora. All of these have been ruled
00:24:54.620
into one alliance, which where they say elite, they mean it like PC gamer master race. They don't
00:25:00.900
mean it in a, they mean it in like a vitalistic. They're proud of who they are. They're different.
00:25:05.880
Oh, so they mean to, to quote the old, the old term L three, three, seven.
00:25:13.940
I don't know what that means. Elite. Oh, elite. Oh, okay.
00:25:25.580
Technically. Okay. So the tech elite are very non-traditional elitists. And I think this is
00:25:33.320
also something that people miss out, but they think that the tech elite is like us and Elon
00:25:36.840
and stuff like that. And like, obviously we're figures in that, but that is our culture. The
00:25:42.220
culture of Doge, like literally the department he's running comes from like a meme that got
00:25:46.440
popular on 4chan was the culture of 4chan before it turned all, what's the word they used to
00:25:52.620
mean? The place that's a bunch of feds glowy. That's the right.
00:25:55.860
4chan these days is a little glowy. Before 4chan got glowy, that culture that it embodied
00:26:02.180
is the culture that a lot of us grew up within, was in these online environments. I remember
00:26:08.380
somebody was like, Oh, this is like a boomers version of 4chan in our 4chan episode. And I was
00:26:13.740
like, you do understand that my generation was the one that created 4chan at the height of 4chan's
00:26:20.020
cultural relevance. You might be not understanding how old 4chan culture is. And if you're still
00:26:27.420
like unapologetically like a 4chaner today, instead of on one of the other sites, I would
00:26:32.420
say it was some qualification. You probably were not an OG 4chaner. You're a new sort of
00:26:38.940
replication of that culture because it appealed to you. The culture that was fostered by people
00:26:45.540
of my internet generation. And sorry, that really got me when they were like, Oh, boomer understanding
00:26:54.200
of it's like, how old do you think I am? And how old do you think 4chan is? Anyway, anyway,
00:27:02.780
no, but that, that was actually a pretty interesting to me, this conceptualization of this online
00:27:08.500
counterculture as being forever young. It's not forever young. It was something that was cooked
00:27:16.380
within the bowels of stuff. Like if you see our video, this weird, how the new right came from
00:27:21.620
like the new atheist movement in a way, like the, the, not the new atheist, I feel like the
00:27:25.920
counter new atheist, the original online, like skeptics movement. And we sort of chart that
00:27:30.240
progression was one of the factions that ended up becoming the base of the new right. It wasn't
00:27:34.260
the only one. You also got the red pillars. You also have the 4chan diaspora. You also have,
00:27:38.260
you know, a lot of these groups, the diaspora that was squeezed off of Reddit. Today we think of
00:27:42.760
Reddit as being an incredibly leftist place, but you know, there was the era of, you know,
00:27:48.940
things like Tumblr in action, right? Like Tumblr in action was a big, very commonly used site for
00:27:55.660
tracking what was happening within leftist culture in a negative context. Or what was the fat one that
00:28:01.340
I used to always love? Was it called fat people hate? No, I don't think it was. I know that was
00:28:09.300
one of them, but I've got, I'm blanking on. I'm pretty sure it's called fat people hate,
00:28:12.940
which I'm like, Whoa, okay. We really went there. Like, I thought it was so funny to like laugh at
00:28:18.080
the haze movement. Oh, and the Catterham tales. And the Catterham tales were the juiciest.
00:28:23.080
Beautiful. If you haven't read the Catterham tales, that's some internet deep lore there.
00:28:27.080
Yeah, man. But, but these were, and that's also something that I think people are surprised about.
00:28:32.300
They're like, wait, like Reddit burst a part of the modern, right? Yeah. Reddit was the meeting
00:28:37.240
place of a lot of the red pill movement. Like the red pill was a Reddit phenomenon predominantly
00:28:43.820
in its early days, where a lot of people were like, Oh, why would you guys get like,
00:28:47.740
people can be like, well, there were red pillars on other sites. Like, you know.
00:28:51.460
Yeah. But I mean, I think even when the red pill had its height on Reddit, for example,
00:28:55.600
they knew. Oh, sorry. I think it was a Reddit phenomenon in its early days.
00:28:58.480
They also knew its days were numbered on Reddit.
00:29:00.480
Yeah. So the prominent meeting place of, of the, the early, early red pill movement was Reddit.
00:29:10.260
That was where you would go. If you're old enough to be like me or my wife's age and you were in that
00:29:15.000
community, that was the main place ideas were aired was in that community. And you had sort of
00:29:19.980
auxiliary conversations happening in other areas, but Reddit was the center of that culture.
00:29:25.320
And that culture is what sprung out into the Abroa sphere, Andrew Tate, other ideas on the right.
00:29:34.020
So this is one sort of an explanation of how this movement came together. But also
00:29:38.540
if you want to go back to within your own culture, within your own kids and churches and everything
00:29:46.380
like that, traditionalist values, like if you're like completely set on the cargo cult of the 1950s,
00:29:53.420
Americana, Christian traditionalism, that's fine. We want to be allied with you. We want to be on
00:30:00.960
the same team with you, but you don't have a voter base to win elections. You need to work with
00:30:06.720
everyone who's working against the urban monoculture or we all fail. And I'm not saying
00:30:12.640
this like as an attack on people, I understand the instinct for intergroup signaling to be like,
00:30:18.140
these guys are weird. This part of the movement is different and new. Jordan Peterson isn't a real
00:30:24.200
Christian. John Vervenky isn't a real Christian. You know, what, why do we have Jews? Like what's
00:30:30.560
his face? Who runs the, the real, the, the main, main Jewish political activists on the right.
00:30:38.080
Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro. Yes. Why do we have Jews like Ben Shapiro running huge media organizations
00:30:44.080
on the right, but it's because you can't win on your own anymore. And, and in fact, it has become
00:30:48.840
so fractionalized that the evangelicals who only spoke to evangelicals have basically disappeared from
00:30:55.980
the public media environment. They've disappeared from the internet. They've disappeared from the
00:30:59.960
airwaves. And, and you can ask, why did this happen? Where did they all go? Why is the evangelicals
00:31:05.620
I hear from today, people like Radeem Zoomer, who we've had on the show, he's not a classic
00:31:09.740
evangelical. He's like a, a, a, what do you call them again? The ones from, he's a form
00:31:16.400
of Calvinist, Presbyterian. You know, why is it only like more understanding ones like
00:31:20.860
him? And it's because they're willing to create media environments, which compel outsider
00:31:27.420
interaction, which is, as he mentioned in a recent video, his audience is majority Catholic,
00:31:31.940
right? Like very antagonistic to his beliefs. Not like outwardly antagonistic. I just mean
00:31:37.920
there's a lot of friction there, but he creates content in a way that engages that audience
00:31:44.260
as well. If you look at our audience, you know, very Catholic, very Jewish, right? Like
00:31:48.880
very Mormon actually. And the iterations of the movement that say, oh, we're only going
00:31:54.660
to talk to one faction have mostly fizzled out. And I think that this is a problem where
00:32:00.700
if you are not within like the online influencer space within the right, you don't realize this,
00:32:07.040
you know, if you're like just working at the heritage foundation, you don't realize how
00:32:11.780
unpalatable a message, like we need to kick anyone who is engaged with reproductive technology
00:32:20.200
that we don't like out of the movement is to the actual base. Or, you know, another thing
00:32:25.620
that they did when I was like, oh my God, this would pull really bad among like the actual
00:32:29.220
like red pill 4chan diaspora is banning pornography. Like I was part of project 45 and we've talked
00:32:35.560
with the people that heard foundation. We're like, look, like this is why the bait, a lot
00:32:39.340
of the bases against this. You know, if you look at like the online fights recently, like
00:32:43.140
tracer, but, or like the skull girls controversy that the left has always been on the pro censorship
00:32:47.060
side because they basically just want to punish male sexuality and we can capture that land,
00:32:52.420
but we capture that land by saying, okay, I can teach my own kids something. I can tell my
00:32:59.420
own kids, I wouldn't be okay with this. And I can have a very different perspective for what
00:33:04.660
I am okay. Was tolerating within the groups that are allied with me. Yeah. Yeah. But I
00:33:13.020
mean, to a certain extent, I don't think there is much that, for example, organizations like
00:33:18.780
Heritage Foundation can do given their donor base and the opinions of their donor base and
00:33:23.200
their dependence on their jobs. So I don't blame them for holding the stances that they
00:33:27.100
hold. No, no, no, no. They're welcome to hold it. I don't feel like any antagonism is.
00:33:31.680
This is very different than like why I was mad at Lyman Stone. Like I was mad at Lyman Stone
00:33:36.520
because I thought he was being pointlessly spiteful to new people within the movement and putting
00:33:40.920
out information that I didn't think was accurate. And that is, is a very different form of anger
00:33:46.520
to this where I'm just like, look, I get the game you're playing. I understand your donor
00:33:52.280
base. I understand what you have to signal. I am totally okay with you making these arguments
00:33:56.700
publicly. The only argument that I would push against is these people can't be part of the
00:34:02.720
new right alliance. These people can't be part of the pro natalist movement because then we move
00:34:08.720
into woke territory and it's why the wokes failed because they didn't allow any ideological diversity
00:34:13.800
was in their movement. Yeah. And to be fair, we've buried the hatchet with Lyman Stone. We've,
00:34:18.960
we've talked. It's we're good now. We like him. We've talked and, and yeah, I'm, I'm totally fine.
00:34:25.080
As long as he doesn't attack like new people, because it look like as people who are sort of
00:34:29.040
seen as like the face of a movement, I feel like really personally hurt when people come
00:34:33.820
into this movement, expecting a diverse and thoughtful environment. And then they get
00:34:39.080
attacked by people either because of beliefs that they hold or their sexuality or something
00:34:45.200
like that. And I'm like, that is not the movement that we're trying to cultivate here. Right? Like
00:34:50.300
I want people to feel safe with ideological diversity. So long as in terms of the policy
00:34:57.940
that we're all working together to implement, we, we, we remember because it's true. We have
00:35:04.800
like 98% overlap in policy goals. Yeah, exactly. In realistically implementable policy goals.
00:35:11.640
You know, would, would we like to fund like genetic research in humans more? Of course.
00:35:17.020
But we can. And would they like to ban abortion? Well, they can. And would Lyman stone love for,
00:35:23.640
you know, paid family leave and free childcare? Yes, but we can't have that. No, that's not going
00:35:28.960
to work. No, that won't pass. So like, we don't have to disagree about these things because they're
00:35:32.940
not going to happen. Let's focus on the few things that actually can get passed, which is a great point
00:35:37.700
to focus on. Yeah. And I think that that's what makes this, this alliance work. And it's something
00:35:43.420
that we should rather than, because there's sort of this woke right idea that some people have been
00:35:49.220
trying to push. And while I understand the sentiment behind it, I think a better way to,
00:35:55.560
to align with this stuff is, look, you want to be more extreme than me on some issues.
00:36:01.800
We're not the left. I'm not going to re you out of the room because you tell me something. I want to
00:36:06.440
engage in constructive debate around like what is actually going to come as a result.
00:36:11.100
We love those debates. They're really good debates. Again, we love debating
00:36:14.400
ironic material on the internet and the, you know, legality when life begins of abortion with
00:36:20.940
Heritage Foundation team members. Which we do. That is fun. And we love it. And we all enjoy it.
00:36:26.320
Like it's. I've, I've changed my perspective on issues. Yes. Yeah. It helps us get to a more
00:36:30.740
nuanced perspective. Like all of these things are positive. And so it's good to debate, but it's also
00:36:35.460
really good to focus on the stuff that we actually can address because we pretty much all agree on those
00:36:39.060
things. Yeah. And so I think that, that within the new right Alliance or the tech right Alliance,
00:36:46.700
the, this continues to work only in so far as we do not become gatekeepers. There's a big difference
00:36:54.200
between disagreeing with people and attempting to gatekeep support for our combined cause. And where I
00:37:01.640
would say, even within this logical framework, gatekeeping makes sense is gatekeeping around issues
00:37:06.640
that you can actually win wins on your own. Right. And gatekeeping around things like
00:37:13.420
intergenerational improvement of Americans is not something you could, like, she was like,
00:37:19.000
they don't want more Americans. They want better Americans. And I'm like, of course we want,
00:37:23.840
do you not want better Americans? Like our in-state is Captain America. That's what we're striving for.
00:37:30.460
You know, we're, we're, we're, we're striving for the, the, when people look at us and they're like,
00:37:36.740
oh, this is like weird, you know, transhumanist nonsense. Right. Where it's like, they want to
00:37:42.980
create some sort of like post gender, the weirdo is like blue hair. But they dress up their five-year-old
00:37:50.920
son in a Captain America Halloween costume. So whatever. You know what I mean? But the point I'm
00:37:55.340
making is that if Elon Musk is going to represent, you know, fundamentally like the Tony Stark of this
00:38:02.940
timeline, we aim to represent with our counter-cultural wholesomeness, the Captain America of this
00:38:11.400
timeline. We aim to represent, yes, we can make better Americans and that they don't represent a
00:38:20.920
subversion of American values, but a fulfillment of everything America has ever stood for,
00:38:27.260
which is pushing humanity to its absolute limits and then pass them to landing on the moon to,
00:38:35.400
you know, that is what America, to the, the, the, the atomic bomb project to the, like America has
00:38:43.800
always been about over the top boundary pushing science. And I think we, as a movement are like,
00:38:51.080
no, we needed to go back to like a pre AI era and a pre human, you know, augmentation era and a pre,
00:38:57.420
I want to protect the Amish's right to be that way. And I want to protect your culture.
00:39:02.500
Because if we, if we're not the ones to do it, no, one's going to protect the right of the Amish
00:39:06.660
to not be a part of some dystopian AI world. And it's not going to be America run and we can't afford
00:39:13.020
that. Don't attack the one like pro technology group that core ideological mission is to protect
00:39:20.540
you in a future where other groups will have this technology. Yeah. The, the right to be a granola
00:39:28.500
human is right now something that I think a lot of people take for granted, but they don't take into
00:39:34.040
account the longterm of what's going to happen if they create an environment where the granola humans
00:39:41.220
become existentially hostile to the non-granola humans. Yeah. Yeah. Do you like my term there?
00:39:47.200
Granola human? I don't, I, do you understand what I mean when I say it? Like the crunchy granola mom?
00:39:51.200
Yeah. When we, when, yeah, people hear the term granola mom or crunchy mom, they, it's all the same
00:39:57.060
thing. I guess almond mom is a little different, but yeah, they get it. We, we don't push it, this stuff
00:40:03.740
in the way that some technologists do for like no reason. We push at it to defeat those who would
00:40:10.900
impose their culture on us. And today that might be Wocus, which, you know, we've fought against with
00:40:17.560
our school system. You can check out parasia.io is absolutely amazing. Now I really would just
00:40:23.520
unmitigatedly be like, this is in most ways better than I'd say at least 50% of the colleges in the
00:40:29.860
United States, if not 75% of the colleges in the United States. And soon I think it will be better
00:40:34.800
unapologetically to all the colleges in the United States. Like that's where we are with the ways that
00:40:41.420
we have been adapting AI to break the chokehold that the urban monoculture has on our youth.
00:40:47.920
And we've made this something that you can edit whatever your religious traditions are, whether
00:40:52.460
you're a conservative Mormon or an evangelical or an Orthodox Jew, you can just delete nodes and we can
00:40:58.120
help you with that. Right? Like we have created a system that is designed to help protect, not just
00:41:05.820
our values, but yours. And I think that that's where the new right is, is people with diverse values
00:41:12.220
saying, I'm not here to protect just my values. I am here to protect your values. So long as you're
00:41:17.680
not pushing those values on me. Which I think is closer to what the founding fathers wanted.
00:41:22.980
Oh, absolutely. This is the founding fathers. If you look at early America, I mean, the different
00:41:29.000
colonnades were culturally radically different from each other in all of the initial debates
00:41:33.680
within getting them all to come together in one country was like, okay, but we all hate each other,
00:41:39.180
right? Okay. We all hate each other, but we'll work better to protect all of our independent ways
00:41:44.920
of life working together. And I really liked that analogy for the new right. The new right is the
00:41:50.920
founding fathers against the British. It is a bunch of radically different cultural experiments.
00:41:57.420
And I might think, you know, what you are doing in the deep South or over in, you know, Quaker
00:42:06.060
Philadelphia is like a bit fruity, but like, so long as you don't impose your values legalistically on me
00:42:14.380
in the backwoods, like we can work together. And I think that it not just, we can work together.
00:42:20.880
We can be proud to work together and build a wider vision of vitalism that works. And a lot of people
00:42:27.160
have been like, well, then what is that? Like, is the new right just reactive to the left? And it's
00:42:31.120
like, no, it's absolutely not. It has very clear goals, which is to one, preserve the multitude of
00:42:38.040
conservative traditions that make up the American tapestry, whether that's traditional,
00:42:42.200
you know, Catholic Irish or traditional deep South Baptist or traditional Orthodox Jews,
00:42:48.520
or the always moving forwards form of Puritan that we represent. We're like the founding father
00:42:55.120
Dias would like scratch out and be like, okay, let's try to rethink this. Let's try to rethink that.
00:42:59.240
Those are all classical strains of American thought that worked together in the past and can continue
00:43:06.580
to work together to create a bright future for us. So that's one thing is we work together against
00:43:11.800
the urban monoculture, but it is preserving our cultural autonomy, which is first and foremost on
00:43:17.620
the social front. And then on the economic front, it's about whatever works, you know, like Trump's
00:43:22.920
American Academy, which is meant to create like socialize the American educational system to destroy
00:43:27.600
the college system as it exists right now. That's very right. That's very new, right? It's very socialist
00:43:33.220
as well. You know, JD Vance's like minimum wage stuff, like our stuff around like, Hey, UBI might
00:43:39.080
be necessary in an age of AI. The Doge is, Hey, we need to destroy these inefficient government
00:43:44.980
departments that are just burning cash right now, or, or spending it on, you know, extending the urban
00:43:49.900
monoculture to reach. This is something that we can just so all universally agree with. Like, why are we
00:43:56.500
splitting hairs when there's so much left to be done in the areas, which we agree?
00:44:01.360
Does something like this coalition of ideologically very different parties aligning in the name of
00:44:07.580
sovereignty exist elsewhere? Like, is this what the far, far right people in Germany are fighting for?
00:44:13.220
Or is this just not something we really see anywhere else?
00:44:15.180
I think that this is something that we, if the far right of the, like the AFD and, and, and Nigel
00:44:21.340
Farage's party in the UK are going to survive, they are going to need to learn from this form of
00:44:28.500
quote unquote, far right ideology. And I think they're doing it to an extent, but it is articulating
00:44:34.720
that we are a diverse set of conservative cultural traditions where conservatives mostly just how
00:44:41.240
different we are from the mainstream culture. And we all are working together to preserve human
00:44:48.800
flourishing in the future and to preserve the flourishing of our own nation states, which we
00:44:54.640
have a degree of patriotism for, but that patriotism is going to look very different.
00:45:00.360
One person said to me, I was talking to like a leftist reporter, I was on like ABC or something
00:45:03.560
recently. And they were like, you know, well, like, why, why are you trying to, or they said,
00:45:09.720
well, just certainly you wouldn't side with like the nationalists. Right. And I was like,
00:45:13.640
why wouldn't I side with the nationalists? Why is it such a crime to have pride in who you are
00:45:17.740
and your ancestors? But in America, nationalism, if you go back to the time of the founding fathers
00:45:22.540
is intrinsically a collection of diverse groups. And, and we don't even not represent one of those
00:45:27.640
groups. Like anyone who knows the stories of the founding fathers knows that they were Christian,
00:45:31.500
a number of them, but they were like weird Christians. A lot of them were as well. And,
00:45:35.940
and us being weird Christians, does it make us not like part of the team that made up the founding
00:45:41.460
coalition of this country. And we want to recreate a team like that so we can fight and have a shot at
00:45:50.100
fighting those who would oppose us. We want to create the party of Captain America, not the party
00:45:56.100
of the Pearl Clutcher. The left is the party of the Pearl Clutcher, not us.
00:46:00.420
Well, it's just, it's so odd to me that we've allowed political baggage of some past movements
00:46:08.700
to make pride in something that you've built and contributed to a bad thing. Like if you are proud
00:46:19.240
to pay taxes and you're proud of what your country stands for and fights for, then why would you not
00:46:25.580
be nationalistic? Although I do understand that there's plenty of people who don't like
00:46:29.220
their country, but then I don't know, get out like, or find something better because it's really,
00:46:37.900
I think we're doing pretty well in, in a large scheme of things. I was just listening to a very,
00:46:45.280
very, very long analysis of the weird corruption and, and cult associations slash shaman associations
00:46:52.120
of past Korean prime ministers. And I'm just thinking like, wow, man, we're, we're doing all
00:46:57.860
right. It's okay. Yeah. No, I mean, in the U S we're doing really strong and I, we just want to
00:47:02.720
make sure that we don't take too much like over our handle because we're like, okay, we're on the
00:47:08.200
winning side now and accidentally crash this alliance over things that are irrelevant from the perspective
00:47:14.760
of policy that we can actually get past. And I also, you know, I point out historically speaking,
00:47:21.520
the idea of the American versus the, the, for example, Nazi super soldier has always been an
00:47:27.900
idea of the American chooses, you know, their culture chooses to undergo this, you know, this
00:47:34.640
is them, this is their family. Whereas with Nazis, it's always forced upon some poor unsuspecting test
00:47:40.780
subject, um, who's from, you know, a differential cultural group. And I think in America, like in other
00:47:47.720
countries in China, they might not be able to get their super soldiers without forcing people. So that
00:47:52.300
becomes culturally normal. But within America, we have enough internal diversity that you have weird
00:47:56.800
groups like us that are going to engage with that stuff and do want to protect you. And I think that
00:48:02.100
that should be seen as a blessing rather than something that you want to stamp out.
00:48:06.280
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I agree, but I'm also way too aligned with you for
00:48:13.840
steel manning some other view. I'm, I'm myopic really too much in your camp. So I just hope this
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keeps up and that we don't let this movement become fractured because that is 100% what the left is
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trying to do as this shown in countless media stories of president Elon. Well, that plus these
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attempts to, for example, characterize the pernatalist movement is deeply ideologically
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divided when in the end, yeah, we have raucous debates, but we have those debates with smiles
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on our faces and in the same room, you know, we go to each other's events.
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Yeah. And it's, it's very much like, you know, and I debate the heritage foundation, people over
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stuff like, you know, when, when does life begin, for example, it's not like the left where they
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hold this for like dogmatic and insane reasons. And it's really clear that they're just trying to look
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like good people. They don't actually care about what's true. They clearly believe what they're
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saying, which is why I don't hold it against them. It reminds me of when somebody was like,
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you know, early was, was, you know, one of the people we work with and they're like, oh,
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this guy is homophobic. Like you shouldn't work with him. And I, and I thought that about
00:49:26.720
him for a while. And then I looked it up and I was like, wait, he's just a Mormon. Like,
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are you saying like, I can't be friends with a Mormon? Like that's just religious discrimination,
00:49:34.100
right? Like he doesn't have these beliefs because he hates gay people. He has these beliefs because
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of his religion. Like, and it's the same with, with these groups that like the heritage foundation,
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they have these beliefs where I think, you know, if you talk somebody out of IVF, you functionally
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killed their kids, right? Like it's a very big deal to me because those are kids that would have
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existed had you not done that. And this is something that they do regularly was in their
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cultural groups. And then they can be like, well, how do you have no animosity about that?
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And it goes, because I don't believe they're doing it with a single ounce of malice. I think they
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a thousand percent believe everything they're saying. And I think the movement works because
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they know, like when I look at my kids and I'm like, why am I pro IVF? Because I hug my kids every
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day, right? Like in a world where that's not there, those kids don't exist. And you can say, well,
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I didn't kill them technically speaking. And it's like, well, let's be clear. There's,
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there's just no way that Malcolm and I could have had kids without IVF. So no way, no way. She does
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not have periods. Not just that. Like we tried everything leading up to that, like forcing
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the periods, forcing more ovulation, forcing, like measuring everything, working with an IVF clinic on
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every step of the, no, none of it worked. And then we got a diagnosis and like, there's just also other,
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other complications anatomically with me that would make it impossible for me.
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Yeah. Our kids do not exist in a no IVF world. And that makes it really hard for me to support
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that world. Would you love your kids as much as you love your kids, right? Like people love their
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kids, right? And the thought that those kids wouldn't exist is horrifying to me. So obviously
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I'm ideologically very invested in this, but not so invested that I can't see where they're coming
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from. And I can't see the arguments that they're making. And the way I convince them is with logic,
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I love you too. And I love that you're a big 10 kind of guy.
00:51:45.720
I'm so excited for this though. Anytime someone mentions Mittens Romney, I'm like, this, this is
00:51:57.680
the best. Let's do it. Let's talk. I'm so disappointed by what could have been.
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That was during the Obama era. No way he was going to win.
00:52:08.420
I know. I know you can't win against Obama. And I was so excited when Obama won.
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And this is where you admit was probably excited when Obama won.
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This is where you get the craziness of supposedly, if you believe the, the posted numbers that Biden
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beat Obama by 16 percentage points, which is just comical in terms of turnout, but we won't go into
00:52:37.000
Because if you give me that, so I, I love you. So if you train me,
00:52:41.660
so if you trade me golden pants, then I'll get anything you want.
00:52:47.220
Even a golden pants and golden skirts and golden glasses.
00:52:51.520
But if you give me golden pants, will you have golden pants?
00:52:56.800
Yeah, well, I can also, I'm going to get you, I'm going to get you infinity dollars.
00:53:02.600
And I become a doll if you give me those golden pants.
00:53:06.560
But how will having golden pants give you infinity dollars?
00:53:20.360
Because sometimes when I become an adult, then I can go on a cruise to tell them I'll buy you
00:53:29.080
golden glasses if you trade me, um, uh, infinity dollars.
00:53:41.760
Okay, so what if someone just liked and subscribed, are you going to tell them your full name?
00:54:16.860
I'll keep it my first name, my middle name, a secret for, uh, here.
00:54:33.180
Then, um, uh, so when you like and subscribe to the channel and tell me down the road what
00:54:44.020
If you like that, we'll give you it when I become an adult because I'm already a kid.
00:54:49.320
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't have that much money.
00:54:53.140
I just have my collection and do you see some cards and a box and