Based Camp - How OnlyFans Beat Its Competitors & Transformed Gender Dynamics

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. This is going to be an interesting episode. We're going to be talking about the

00:00:04.040 psychology of OnlyFans and how it used psychology to beat the other sex apps online. And because

00:00:13.720 it's a fascinating story, we'll be mostly reading a piece that Ayla wrote on this.

00:00:17.820 Oh, cool.

00:00:18.400 Friend of the show. She's been on episodes before. Really, really fascinating piece on how

00:00:24.800 psychologically and economically OnlyFans outcompeted the traditional model of online

00:00:31.580 streaming and how it created a marketplace in which the male and female roles were switched

00:00:38.420 in which females generally when you're dating or something like that, you know, females are the 1.00

00:00:45.200 people who guard sexuality like they gatekeepers of sex, gatekeepers of sex. There's fewer of them

00:00:51.560 that want sex than men. Generally, very few men are going to turn down sex if women are going 0.99

00:00:55.400 around asking them in a bar or something like that, which means that, you know, men need to 0.72

00:00:58.620 reach out more. They need to be more prolific in how they reach out and women will see them as creepy 0.98

00:01:02.860 when they reach out. Where OnlyFans flipped that, where women needed to start reaching out to men 1.00

00:01:07.140 because men became the biggest of money. Women were using their sexuality in this way. And so women 1.00

00:01:12.600 needed to like aggressively cross post on Reddit and stuff like that and then reach out to guys in a way

00:01:18.300 that guys saw as creepy. So we'll talk about how it created this inverted sexual marketplace,

00:01:23.860 which is really fascinating. All right. So here she's talking about the older way that apps used

00:01:30.480 to work. You get money through two methods, either live tips or the room, typically witnessed by all

00:01:36.120 the other members of chat, or you can get taken private, a one-on-one pay flat rate minute show.

00:01:43.240 Different campsites focused on varying points on the spectrum between these two methods,

00:01:49.060 but everyone knew the serious money was in the live tipping. Privates capped you at around $3 a

00:01:55.220 minute, but tip-based income could average up to $20 a minute. So this is really interesting. So the

00:01:59.600 private room wasn't what you wanted. What you wanted was to be in an environment where people

00:02:03.220 were tipping, which I wouldn't have expected in this older model. So you had to word it differently

00:02:08.200 for the audience. You had these like rooms where you would act for a large group of people and that

00:02:14.420 group of people would attempt to tip you, but individuals from that group could pay extra to

00:02:19.660 get access to you individually. But the live room was seen as more profitable, which I think

00:02:25.220 inverts what a lot of people would expect. But that's because Ayla discovered early on that you

00:02:30.560 could play people off each other. It was so dynamic. Yeah. To keep going here, she talks about this.

00:02:35.380 The psychology behind high earners for live streaming went something like this.

00:02:40.540 You, the aforementioned hot girl, have an established audience of regulars in your audience.

00:02:44.980 Each man can see the other men talking to you and giving you money. The men are implicitly ranked by

00:02:50.620 dominance, which is determined by how much attention you pay to them, which is in turn determined by how

00:02:55.800 much money they give you. This leads to whales and soon 80% of your income is from one to two big

00:03:01.860 players. These people are incentivized, not just by making you happy, but by making you happy in front

00:03:08.120 of all the other men. The system is competitive. To be a good cam girl, take your biggest tippers and put 0.94

00:03:14.040 their names and lights behind you so everyone else can see them. Call them heroes, knights, grant official

00:03:20.040 titles. Only the richest will survive. I signed up for OnlyFans in 2017 before Leo took over and I thought it

00:03:27.660 sucked. I posted some cute videos or whatever, but nobody used it. The tips were negligible against

00:03:33.240 the 10k months I was accustomed to. The problems were obvious to me. It was impossible to have whales

00:03:39.200 compete against each other. What were the incentives for big spending? Of course, I was wrong, unable to

00:03:45.180 see outside my local minima. OnlyFans ended up dominating, decimating the previous cam girl landscapes. 0.99

00:03:51.120 Nowadays, camming audiences are a fraction of their previous highs, and many of the girls who still cam

00:03:55.860 use it explicitly to funnel into their OnlyFans. So how did it succeed so hard? So first, fascinating

00:04:04.240 that she sets up this world before OnlyFans, where you made money by paying men against each other and 0.92

00:04:11.560 even like putting their name up in big flashing lights and everything. What's interesting to me is

00:04:16.320 this is clearly playing to a sexual subtype that doesn't include me or most men. I would find it really

00:04:24.060 gross doing this. I mean, keep in mind, like I'm a man. I don't want my wife out there like showing 0.99

00:04:31.160 herself to tons of other men, right? Like that's not awesome. So even if I was the guy who was paying

00:04:36.220 the most and getting the most public attention from this woman, I still know all the other men are

00:04:42.400 seeing her and giving her money. Well, so you also would have no interest in going to a strip club,

00:04:49.680 right? No, it's a disgusting idea. Why? So it's kind of the same thing. Like there's clearly though an 0.98

00:04:54.640 audience of people who seem to enjoy that. Okay. Okay. Hold on. I'm walking this back in my brain. So

00:05:01.960 the pre-OnlyFans sites were targeting the strip club audience, but in an online context.

00:05:11.460 Yes. It's like an online strip club with more interesting dynamics. It's way more intellectual.

00:05:16.320 Yeah. It's targeting a new audience and in a new way. So I'm wondering, how do you think

00:05:21.840 OnlyFans won? You can see the problem that she has laid out here. How do you think OnlyFans was able

00:05:28.420 to succeed where these other sites weren't given the situation before the new CEO?

00:05:37.460 I'm stumped. I'm not.

00:05:40.180 I'll give you a hint before we go further and I'm going to see if you can break it.

00:05:44.220 Okay. Do not think about what the audience wants. The audience isn't actually that important to this.

00:05:49.840 They might have a slight preference for the new model, but it's not what drove the change.

00:05:53.660 Everything has to do with the cost of advertising.

00:05:59.680 Did it make really low payment thresholds? Was it about driving women more to them and the women 1.00

00:06:06.060 would promote it? I really don't know.

00:06:08.660 Well, we'll see. I'm not going to, I'm not going to give an answer because now the audience

00:06:11.880 is hooked maybe. So I will put two images on stage here where she is making little drawings.

00:06:18.600 I love Ayla's terrible drawing where she does like the big boobs and the outfit and everything. 1.00

00:06:24.020 And so just her one drawing, I actually need to describe this drawing rather than send it to you

00:06:28.480 because it'll be so fun for the podcast and people. She's saying, this is the way camming works.

00:06:33.000 And it is a woman on stage in a throne. And then three naked men with erect penises going like this 1.00

00:06:40.620 on a, like a ward stage, like number one, number two, number three, gold, silver, and bronze. And 0.99

00:06:47.480 then all the other men watching them being awarded top, the top simp and the woman on the throne.

00:06:54.140 Oh my goodness. Okay.

00:06:55.180 Okay. What I would say works about this in my mind is I can see how this normalizes simping culture.

00:07:01.180 Hmm. And I also think that this might be something that could get bred out of the population

00:07:06.000 because if I just had, and always had no interest in this, this could be like a genetic subtype of men

00:07:11.960 that doesn't relate to all men. And who will be perfectly satisfied to not

00:07:18.100 have a permanent long-term partner because they can just go on OnlyFans.

00:07:22.800 That they are satisfied with being the most dominant or appreciated male in a group of males

00:07:30.700 that all have sexual access to one woman or access to like, I think what's probably breaking here 0.61

00:07:37.660 is whatever the thing is where a guy likes showing off a woman that he is proud of like

00:07:43.920 being in a monogamous relationship with to other men, that might be the instinct that's breaking here.

00:07:52.800 I don't know. I don't, I don't think, I mean, it might just be, I've been thinking a lot lately

00:08:01.420 about how you can smell and taste certain things that I can't. And that we know that, for example,

00:08:07.060 there are genes that have been demonstrated to show people can either taste or not taste

00:08:12.520 certain types of bitterness. For example, certain compounds that can, for some people taste very

00:08:17.920 bitter. And for other people, they just don't because they don't have the gene for that. And part

00:08:21.640 of me feels like there's just some kind of stimulus receptor or disgust receptor that is turned off in

00:08:30.080 some people or turned on in some people that makes this genre either appealing or abhorrent.

00:08:37.140 And so this is more about-

00:08:38.420 You're right. It's not an arousal receptor that keeps me from liking this. It's a disgust receptor.

00:08:42.700 I feel disgust at these thoughts and other people appear to not have this disgust system active.

00:08:49.400 And because I, yeah, I mean, I think if you don't have a disgust response to this,

00:08:54.560 it is a much, it is a much lower stakes, much more convenient and readily available way to engage

00:09:02.360 in sexual activity than dating or finding a partner and all that.

00:09:07.440 Fascinating. I also wonder other guys, you shout out in the comments if this is accurate.

00:09:12.400 Is there, am I weird for just like not fighting the idea of a strip club arousing at all?

00:09:17.700 Like I have been in them before, like, you know, when guys were doing like their trips or whatever

00:09:22.300 in Vegas and the whole thing felt super gross. Like, like, like not unarousing, but actively

00:09:29.840 disgusting. Like the smells were gross. The women looked low class. I feel like- 1.00

00:09:35.440 Ouch. No, no, no. This is another thing. I feel like revulsion at like this level of low class.

00:09:43.020 I think my closest experience, I think I have a similar response, but all I can go on,

00:09:49.000 bear with me here, is Disney character brunches where you attempt to eat a meal in peace. Well,

00:09:56.280 apparently not in peace in a Disney themed restaurant while characters in costume and in character walk

00:10:01.780 up to you and mess with you and shove food in your face. And some people love that.

00:10:06.720 That is exactly what it's like. Actually, I wonder if there's a correlation. Okay. I hated those as a 0.93

00:10:11.820 kid too. I have never liked like on a Disney ship- Like you are assaulting me. Why are you,

00:10:16.180 do not make eye contact with me. Do not make eye contact with me. Do not make eye contact. Do not

00:10:19.060 hug me. Do not come near me. I wonder if there's a correlation. Is there anyone? Now this would be an

00:10:22.960 interesting experiment for the comments. Yeah. If you like OnlyFans and or strip clubs, 1.00

00:10:27.200 are you also kind of cool with like taking a photo with a character at a theme park?

00:10:32.320 Yeah. Are you also like into theme park characters? If you hate theme park characters,

00:10:36.460 do you also hate strip clubs? This would be such a discovery.

00:10:40.640 Like these three things correlate. Very interesting. Yeah.

00:10:43.100 Yeah. But I mean, basically Disney character brunches are strip clubs for kids. They're strip clubs. 0.99

00:10:48.780 They are. That's what they are. Yeah. Okay.

00:10:52.680 So then she, well, we might find that they're not, but like I'm 94% sure of this, Malcolm. It's so

00:11:01.840 strong within me, but whatever. Okay. So then she did a little thing of what OnlyFans and how it 0.96

00:11:07.220 works. And it's a bunch of men in booths with like things on either side of them. So they can't see

00:11:11.580 that all of the other men are looking at the woman. And then the woman is in front of them all.

00:11:15.000 Okay. And she has OnlyFans maintains the dynamic that made camming so successful. Direct life 0.84

00:11:21.560 connection with a girl, but manages to make it feel individualized. Instead of having to pay a lot

00:11:26.220 of money to rank against other men, you can pay a little money and enter a pussy paradise was not a 1.00

00:11:31.100 single other man in sight. OnlyFans leaves its design towards isolating the men from each other.

00:11:36.900 If you're a horny dude- Oh, so they took away this strip club element and they made it the

00:11:40.420 girlfriend experience element. Oh. If you're a horny dude, the existence of other horny dudes

00:11:46.060 is a fleeting shadow. A ghost only hinted at implicitly through the like counts on photos

00:11:51.600 or occasional subscriber count numbers for the rare girls who make it public. So girls don't even have 1.00

00:11:57.060 to make their subscriber counts public. Wow. Okay. So they discovered the turnoff effect and were like,

00:12:02.180 let's fix that. This is unnecessary. Yeah. From the girl's perspective, OF is designed to make 1.00

00:12:08.940 this easy. There's a bunch of settings for messages and filters of who gets those messages

00:12:13.240 so that a thousand brand new men may at once receive the blessed, Hey babe, you up a virtue,

00:12:19.820 real girl gazing directly into their eyes. Just him and her horny together forever. Maybe OnlyFans 0.64

00:12:27.460 is more like, and then she shows the one girl cloned in front of all the stalls. This is likely why

00:12:32.520 agencies have become such a strong force behind the most successful OnlyFans models. They offer a

00:12:37.120 duplication service. The way agencies work is this. You sign up for an agency and pledge some

00:12:41.860 percentage of your OF income and the agency takes over handling a lot of the trivial labor involved

00:12:46.900 in copy and pasting the sense of your personalized connection across the stable of men. I've never

00:12:52.480 used an agency, but I was curious how they worked back in 2020 when I had a bunch of publicity about

00:12:57.420 OF earnings. I started getting pornily headhunted and ended up talking to a man who claimed to run

00:13:03.840 the largest OF agency at the time. I asked him a thousand questions about how it worked.

00:13:08.160 He said he had rented out a cheap warehouse somewhere outside of New York and staffed it

00:13:12.900 with a bunch of minimum wage workers. These workers would log into their clients' accounts

00:13:17.000 and chat as them. The chatters got a quick sheet with a bunch of facts about the girls they were 0.99

00:13:22.560 impersonating to make sure they were being consistent about basic life things like general

00:13:27.120 personality slash tone, where the girls lived, et cetera. Their primary goal was to sell content 0.97

00:13:31.740 directly to the men through DMs. He says, you have to set your monthly subscription price to $5.

00:13:38.240 I didn't like this idea. I was at $19 and I didn't want to seem like I was devaluing myself.

00:13:42.980 No, we have the data. Girls' income steadily increased as you drop the subscription price 0.98

00:13:47.680 up to about $5, but below that they decrease again. He was running a very different business

00:13:52.880 model than me. I saw a monthly subscription price as an important part of my income, but he viewed it

00:13:57.400 as trivial. The real money was in the DMs. Upselling was the goal. The purpose of the $5 a month subprice

00:14:03.880 was to be low enough to get as many men as possible, but high enough to filter out the men

00:14:07.320 who were too stingy to spend anything on DMs. You didn't want your minimum wage workers wasting 0.94

00:14:13.620 valuable time trying to sell a guy who wasn't going to put out after all.

00:14:17.500 Yeah. Yeah. I, this is just so fascinating. These different business models even was in the OnlyFans

00:14:25.480 environments. I couldn't see it at the time, but he had touched on the same principle that was causing

00:14:29.660 cam girls to earn more through tips as opposed to flat minimum rate. Building your business model around 1.00

00:14:34.800 a monthly subscription results in a ceiling on how much each guy is willing to pay. If your model

00:14:39.900 is custom built milking every guy with direct response connection, the sky's the limit. I also love

00:14:46.480 that this is how Andrew Tate got his start is pretending to be girls online. I also remark on

00:14:51.200 this, but like people don't realize like Andrew Tate isn't like, I, I, I like, we have the video

00:14:56.240 on Andrew Tate where I was like, you know, young horny men, other men will be out there and say,

00:15:03.240 you know, I get you. I will do, you know, things to make you good. Jordan Peterson will cry for you.

00:15:10.080 Andrew Tate will get down on his hands and knees and pretend to fuck because that's how he made his 1.00

00:15:17.520 money. Oh yeah. I like that daddy. That's what Andrew Tate is. He's a closer. Just give me a chance. 1.00

00:15:24.000 All right. I'll trust you. But only if you will perform oral sex on me. 0.99

00:15:38.240 What? Right here. Right now. 1.00

00:15:43.680 You can't be serious. Oh, I am serious. Okay, let's do it. Here we go. And go.

00:15:54.000 You are dedicated, but he knows what some types of men want. And yeah, I mean, I, that would make

00:16:06.080 sense to me. You know, you would want, you know, we've always talked about dick pics being the most 0.99

00:16:11.300 feminist thing you can think for a man to do, because they're just sending to women what they 1.00

00:16:16.560 want, which implies the assumption that they believe that men and women are the same. And that's so 0.71

00:16:22.240 beautiful. Yeah. So we're doing this without you. Now, hold on team. Gary has already proven to me

00:16:29.680 that he is 100% committed to the team. He proved it last night by sucking my cock. 1.00

00:16:34.400 All right. Come on team. We got to find that stage. 1.00

00:16:41.840 Since then agencies have only grown. Probably the vast majority of high earning OnlyFans accounts

00:16:46.800 are being run by agencies, which take a substantial fraction of the money. The amount varies widely,

00:16:51.440 but often a minimum of 50% on top of the 20% OnlyFans already takes.

00:16:55.600 Oh my gosh. Wait, but if this is happening and it must be fairly well known, at least if you're into...

00:17:03.440 Oh, hold on. It gets worse, given what you're saying here. You're going to love this.

00:17:07.840 Okay.

00:17:08.240 I joked, my comment was the top comment under this, where I said,

00:17:11.520 Aayla's world in this blog is just Aayla constantly expecting more from humanity and

00:17:16.400 being disappointed. Agencies are more customizable, more sophisticated. One of the more full service

00:17:22.560 agencies I talked to would do everything. They'd fly a girl out to a fancy Airbnb for a few days, 0.84

00:17:28.080 shoot a huge amount of content, and then send her back. They do all the chatting,

00:17:31.920 splice up and organize her content, build her payment structure, funnel in new subscribers.

00:17:38.560 She'd take 10 to 20% of the proceeds and never log into OnlyFans once.

00:17:43.040 Whoa. Okay.

00:17:44.560 Okay. So drips, this is how they do it. Eventually the commonly known dominant strategy became known

00:17:51.280 as drips. You'll film an opening clip, typically 10 to 30 seconds where you said something vague and

00:17:57.440 indicating horniness. Then you'd film clips in succession, showing a progression

00:18:01.840 of you stripping, teasing, all the way down to masturbating and then climax. The goal was to get 0.99

00:18:07.040 a set of videos that could be sent as though they were plausibly being filmed live. People would send

00:18:12.960 out the first video in mass. A certain percentage of subscribers would respond and then you'd say sexy

00:18:18.880 things and then send out a second video for a certain trivial price, typically $3 or so to unlock.

00:18:25.280 A certain percentage of those subscribers would pay to unlock the video. Then you sext a bit with them.

00:18:31.680 Then send out the next video in the series, usually a slightly increased price. Eventually you work

00:18:37.280 your way up to the final video, typically a climax, which could be 30 seconds in links and often sold

00:18:43.600 for $20 to $30. I asked a manager once if he typically had the girls film multiple drips at different

00:18:50.160 times of day, because if you have light pouring through a window for a girl who supposedly lives

00:18:54.720 in a place that's dark, it'd be a dead giveaway that it's not live. I love Ayla. This is so Ayla,

00:18:59.920 just so earnest and data-driven. He said, no, it doesn't matter. The men basically never notice or care.

00:19:06.000 Oh my God. What? What? So this, oh God. Okay. At one point, trying to understand agencies more,

00:19:14.720 I created an account of a horny man, attached a credit card and bought access to high earning girl

00:19:20.160 I knew was run by chatters and brought through a drip series. I love Ayla. She's so dedicated.

00:19:25.840 Pretending to be a man, spending her money, pretending to be a man on one of these accounts.

00:19:31.120 I want to understand how does this work? And she's a, this is why I love Ayla so much. She's just

00:19:37.280 such a, a pure person. She cares about truth. She's the most wholesome person I think I've ever

00:19:43.120 met. She cares about truth. She's earnest. She's well-attentioned. She's caring. She's yeah.

00:19:47.360 I, she's a hundred percent honest about who she is, what she cares about. And she might be wrong

00:19:51.760 about those things, but she is honest about them. If she learns otherwise though, she'll change her,

00:19:56.720 her view. She just cares about the truth. And she also just is a very pure kind person.

00:20:04.160 It doesn't mean anyone any harm. Yeah. Yeah. No, and she might look, her ideology might end 0.94

00:20:10.400 up hurting people. And we'll do a separate episode on this. I want to talk about how the EA community

00:20:14.160 is basically a funnel into becoming a sex worker for women. Cause I've met some people who this happened 0.90

00:20:20.880 to, and I want to talk about it. Cause I think it is going to be an episode. Okay.

00:20:23.760 But I don't think that Ayla intended any or ever thought of any negative consequences from her

00:20:28.320 actions. And she did. Well, she's certainly not telling anyone else to live her life.

00:20:32.800 Exactly. But other people see it as a model and then attempt to, but anyway, she makes it look

00:20:37.360 good. Yeah. Being a man with a credit card on only fans during a drip campaign. It was shockingly bad.

00:20:43.360 She texted me something like, Hey baby, you horny. And I was like, yes. She said, let me show you what 1.00

00:20:50.720 I'm doing. And then she sent me a video of her in what was clearly a well-lit studio. She was wearing

00:20:57.200 stilettos and dressed in a skimpy Santa outfit with perfectly curled hair and heavy makeup bending 1.00

00:21:03.280 down to show off her ass in a performative pose. No semblance of reality here. No semblance of 1.00

00:21:08.720 spontaneity. No semblance. There was no way she just filmed that. It was insane, but it didn't matter.

00:21:15.760 Hanging out with my Santa costume. I love that this bothers Ayla. The practicality of it is what

00:21:22.240 bothers her. This doesn't make sense. Why are men believing this? I just love studio lighting.

00:21:27.840 It's like my whole house. My whole house? I just happened to wear a Santa outfit today because I'm

00:21:33.200 feeling sexy. It was laundry day. I don't want to tell you. This is my real voice. And the whole sexy

00:21:41.120 baby thing isn't an act. I'm a very sexy baby. I can't help it if men are attracted to me.

00:21:49.040 Like that homeless guy. He likes what he sees. Okay. That could be for me. It's not. It's for her.

00:21:55.040 I know. I know. That is wild though. I can't believe it. I'm just a sexy baby on that scene. Okay.

00:22:07.680 It took me a long time. I love Ayla. It took me a long time to come to terms with the fact

00:22:12.880 that for most men, they don't care about reality when it comes to supposedly connective porn.

00:22:19.040 They aren't trafficking you for signs of genuine enjoyment. To them, your personality is simply a

00:22:26.000 vessel with which to certify that your breasts are genuine. I know a girl who is typically very 0.93

00:22:32.080 warm and direct, made personal connections with men who subbed to her. She experimented by making

00:22:36.960 a free page, a type of OF where you don't have to subscribe, but instead charging higher money for

00:22:42.880 access to individual stuff on the feed. And on this, she hired a real trashy chatter who would spam 1.00

00:22:50.480 in non-stop with stuff like, Hey, BB, you all caps. My pussy is horny XOXO. Look at me wet now. And yeah, 1.00

00:23:01.440 her income shot up. Oh no. The fact that men don't actually care about individuation much really

00:23:10.320 lends itself to the stability of a connection. A hundred guys will think the things a girl says

00:23:16.640 in her drip video are in fact filmed live and directly uniquely for them and could be completely

00:23:23.040 unable to notice that it's not that blazing daylight outside, despite being 10 PM, that she never says

00:23:30.720 like being in a home state, reduced IQ. Like, you know, some studies have found that when people work

00:23:36.960 at a group above a certain size of people, certain number of people, their IQ collectively.

00:23:41.600 And being horny also drops IQ. So yeah. Okay. Okay. Like part of this is just like, they're,

00:23:45.920 they're, they're not all there. So these aren't necessarily uniquely stupid people. They're, they're 0.99

00:23:50.800 comparable. I think we forget how stupid the average person is. And I think that for whatever 1.00

00:23:56.000 arousal pathway, this is that they're masturbating doesn't require the 100% belief that she's really 0.75

00:24:02.400 doing it for them. Yeah. Or maybe they believe out of, I don't know. Look, a lot of sites survive 0.91

00:24:08.080 was like, look at these attractive girls in your areas. And like any person was like a shred of IQ 1.00

00:24:12.800 knows there's not attractive. Those old ads. Yeah. Yeah. Singles in your area. Okay. So she goes, 1.00

00:24:18.400 you can duplicate an entire human with a low resolution. As long as she appears vaguely fertile,

00:24:24.480 they will never notice. Oh my God. I love, I love a list. So disappointed. And she goes,

00:24:30.720 I am making this point because you might naively think that they're dumb here. She's talking about 0.99

00:24:34.480 the people who run only fans. She had this whole section on like the whole thing about them ending

00:24:38.000 porn was completely fake. It was done for, to get stuff. Uh, but she goes to do this with their 1.00

00:24:43.840 marketing strategy, but they're not dumb. And so she goes, what is only fans marketing strategy?

00:24:48.720 This is how they succeeded. Their marketing strategy was to do nothing. Sure. They have ads,

00:24:55.200 but have you ever seen an only fans ad by only fans in the wild? And here she points out, you will

00:25:02.080 see only fans ads. Well, I guess other people do. I've never seen one, but she points out an only

00:25:06.320 fans ad here. This for like a specific, I guess the like websites know me well enough to know that

00:25:10.320 I wouldn't be interested in this, but they're by specific only fans models who are paying or model

00:25:16.720 companies who are paying to advertise those models. And that's how, you know,

00:25:20.400 as a company, when your users do the advertising for you. Exactly. Before only fans websites themselves

00:25:27.840 are responsible for providing traffic to their own creators with MFC. And with every other campsite,

00:25:34.000 the front page features a long scrolling list of models splayed out for your browsing pleasure.

00:25:40.080 MFC was responsible for getting men onto the website, typically via ads on porn sites,

00:25:45.600 after which girls would compete against each other for capturing the attention of those men. 1.00

00:25:49.520 And competition was fierce exclamation point. The algorithm on the front page prioritized income

00:25:55.760 per hour of camming such that if you were online, you had to hustle or with dropping in visibility

00:26:02.240 and thus dropping even more in income. There were leaderboards for income per month where you could

00:26:08.000 see the girls ranked against each other by who managed to earn the most out of funneled men. 0.73

00:26:13.440 And this whole thing was intense and distracting. Everyone's effort was focused on competing inside

00:26:19.920 of the system. As far as I know, I was the only girl who tried marketing outside of MFC and famously,

00:26:25.600 that's how she got a lot of people. She learned how to market on Reddit and stuff before anyone 0.99

00:26:28.880 else was marketing on Reddit was her famous gnomes post and stuff generating my own funnels on Reddit.

00:26:34.480 But even then I did this more as a side project, not as a main source of income. By contrast,

00:26:40.000 OnlyFans internal discovery system is pitiful, mostly limited to a small suggested system

00:26:45.120 on the side. So you really, well, that further incentivizes it's only fans clearly stating to

00:26:53.120 their female, well, their provider users. Yeah. You have to advertise yourself. You have to advertise 1.00

00:27:00.080 and thus advertise the site outside. I never once heard of an OF girl rely on marketing strategy that 1.00

00:27:07.680 involved internal OF discovery systems. No, instead OF turns all of its creators into their own ads.

00:27:14.000 If you're a girl who signed up for OF, made your account, you might sit there and think now what?

00:27:19.040 Nobody subscribes to your account. OF does not hand you any views by virtue of being on the platform.

00:27:24.400 If you want a man to pay you, you have to go out there and find him. You have to be the ad. I cannot

00:27:29.760 overstate the degree to which this radically transformed the online landscape practically overnight.

00:27:34.720 An explosion of OnlyFans ads went off in every corner of the internet as the girls migrated in 1.00

00:27:39.920 mass to throw their own naked photos in front of the faces of every man they could find. Sexy subreddits 0.61

00:27:45.120 I used to post nudes to with no issues suddenly started instituting rules against me and every other girl 1.00

00:27:51.120 who would link to her OF account in her bio. Instagram started banning accounts that linked to OF.

00:27:56.720 And then sometimes even accounts that linked to any other website which then led to OF. Even FetLife

00:28:04.080 famously and loudly pro-sex work ended up conceding by introducing the quote-unquote hide sellers option

00:28:11.280 on their front page to filter out any girls posting tatas for profit. The sentiment towards online nude girls

00:28:21.200 went from fond neutral to outright hostile. As an aside, I do find this kind of amusing. Getting paid

00:28:27.840 for sex places women in a traditionally masculine role. They become the pursuer, trying to extract 1.00

00:28:33.600 something they want from the opposite gender, competing against themselves to be the most attractive 0.99

00:28:38.320 to otherwise uninterested targets. In a sense, this forced masculine areas of the internet into adopting 0.99

00:28:46.000 defensive feminine norms as they banned any predatory quote-unquote behavior and started

00:28:51.520 socially deriding any sellers as being gross or embarrassing. But anyway, very similar to the way

00:28:58.160 people treat men online in a historic context, which then she says. But anyway, I suspect that if OF put

00:29:03.600 effort into internal discovery, this would likely destroy the motivation of a lot of its users from

00:29:08.160 doing their own marketing. This is also likely why OF can get away with taking only 20% commissions as

00:29:14.800 opposed to 50 to 80%. They save a ton by not running ads, which is what other sites were paying.

00:29:20.000 Yeah. They're just hosting. Fascinating, right? OnlyFans won by not having a good internal

00:29:26.160 discovery system. Something to point out elsewhere in the piece, which a lot of people get wrong,

00:29:30.560 is they think that OnlyFans is like a bunch of internet entrepreneurs. She's like, no, these are 0.98

00:29:34.480 like OG porn people from like the old days of like the creepiest of OG porn sites, the most predatory

00:29:40.560 of OG porn sites who now own the site. She's like, these guys know what they're doing. They were not

00:29:45.200 about to ban porn on OnlyFans. This is not a site run by people who don't know what's up. They

00:29:52.160 understand men. But I find the psychology of men who get off on this new form very interesting,

00:29:56.960 that they don't seem to care that these are real women. But I mean, then is any man who's

00:30:02.160 masturbating to porn, do they care about real women? Do they care about like, 0.95

00:30:05.280 I think we sort of knew that men didn't really care. It's how much is needed to maintain the

00:30:10.640 illusion from the perspective of maximizing. Yeah. It's so token at this point that I feel

00:30:16.080 like a leap to AI is once it becomes good enough, just going to be like, why not? Well,

00:30:22.800 I bet most OnlyFans are already being done by AI because yeah, for sure. But I mean, I'm also talking

00:30:28.480 about fully non-human personalities too, not just taking the photos of a woman, but just doing the

00:30:37.040 full thing. Yeah. Generated. 100%. We'll see. This is where we are as a country, as a world.

00:30:46.160 Agencies primarily handle sexting, but funneling new eyes in is also part of the stuff they profit

00:30:50.880 from. I don't know much about this, but I get the impression from various calls that pre-OF big

00:30:55.600 multi-million follower or Instagram accounts, typically meme accounts, would make money by

00:30:59.680 selling ads disguised as not ads. There was no visible platform for this. The guys who did this

00:31:05.360 would sell these manually in jealously guarded Telegram chats. After OF, they pivoted to boobies, 0.93

00:31:12.320 posting search traps described as casual memes, along with the rest. Some of these big Insta accounts

00:31:17.920 would switch to founding agencies or people from agencies somehow made their way in and they would

00:31:24.480 make deals, quote, post my girl on your page and we pay $400. I wanted to get into these groups and

00:31:30.240 I tried, but it seems like there were no actual models allowed in these groups and I couldn't

00:31:34.640 find anyone to let me in. If someone was managing multiple girls, he'd often use these together.

00:31:40.080 It was pretty common to see a source trap sexy girl, go follow her page, find it was private with 0.98

00:31:46.000 a message. I'll approve followers first, but you have to first follow other sexy model. You navigate to 0.99

00:31:51.280 the other model's page and she'd have the same message. You went through all the way down to

00:31:55.920 follow every model's page in order to get in, presumably after being approved by all of them.

00:32:01.200 Fascinating strategy. Sounds terrible though. Not my thing.

00:32:07.120 Love you. Not my thing, you're welcome.

00:32:10.560 Okay. Poor.

00:32:11.760 I love you to death, Simone. We will create our own. Did you know that like 20% of OnlyFans content,

00:32:16.880 I think that's like 20 or 25% when I was looking are actually created for safe for work?

00:32:22.320 Like cooking stuff and stuff like that. Oh, I know. Yeah. Like Ayla said in some of her

00:32:28.160 posts, I think that like her sister did stuff, our interviews, her sister did stuff on OnlyFans,

00:32:32.320 but just like humor stuff, like dressed in a banana costume, nothing, um, nothing explicit.

00:32:39.280 What should we do on OnlyFans? What should be our? I just don't want to be on OnlyFans.

00:32:44.720 I just do not. And it's not a prudish thing. It's just like...

00:32:48.800 It's prudish for me, kind of. I really hate my money.

00:32:53.920 I do it. You're, you, I'm fine with you on OnlyFans. I can't look at myself in a mirror

00:33:00.160 and tolerate what I see. So there's no way. I think you have to like be cool.

00:33:04.000 You are the least sexualized woman on the internet. Look at how much you're hiding like 1.00

00:33:09.680 any potential cleavage, any potential sexuality. I wonder if people like you, you're with a partner

00:33:16.000 who people know you're married to. So you don't even like get like the, like, we don't have

00:33:20.960 Simone Simps. Like it's weird. Well, I mean, I still think that we, you know, once we do merch,

00:33:29.440 we'll just have to sell the Malcolm dildo. It'll be great. 0.96

00:33:32.320 Here's the question. You used to get this back in the day, right? You must have. When you,

00:33:36.000 she was in direct marketing at the 45th highest traffic website. She'd have people write like 0.68

00:33:39.360 fan fictions about her. Yeah. But I didn't realize at the time,

00:33:45.520 probably because of autism, that it had anything to do with the sexual interest.

00:33:50.560 And so I just auto responded, you know, like an AI chatbot responding to people. It's not

00:33:55.920 thinking, oh, this person is attempting to, no, it's just like, oh, this person has sent a message

00:34:01.280 of greeting. I will send an equally friendly or equally respectful.

00:34:04.960 Simone, you are, you are post wall. You're, you're a good, like eight years post wall. 0.62

00:34:08.320 We admission this. Oh, thanks.

00:34:10.240 Because you're what, 37 now? So like wall.

00:34:12.080 I'm 37, but is wall 29? I thought wall.

00:34:15.520 Yeah. I mean, look, the wall is, is are you fertile? Like, are you breed up, submissive and breedable?

00:34:21.440 That's what guys want. Submissive and breedable. Okay. Hey, I've always felt like I'm 62 years

00:34:26.880 old. So I, I will only feel comfortable in my body once I'm 62 years old. I'm, I'm trans old.

00:34:36.480 And so I'm going to have dysmorphia until I'm finally, I think that submissive and breedable

00:34:42.080 is such like a tight description of what it is that men are actually looking for when they say,

00:34:47.200 like that's post fertility. 19 to 21. And that's, that's kind of it actually.

00:34:54.080 And somebody else wrote that you always see your own partner at the age that you fell in

00:34:58.880 love with them at. And so I wonder if like, I'm delusional about how attractive you are.

00:35:03.040 Like maybe you're just not attractive at all. I see you at the age that you are now because

00:35:06.640 you've never been hotter in my entire existence. You just get prettier every day, get more chiseled,

00:35:12.000 a little bit more. I actually do, by the way, like I am not as attractive in older stuff.

00:35:16.320 I think I, while biologically I have aged, I am happier with who I am now. And so I look

00:35:24.640 better now than I did when I was young and when you first met me. So I think you're also doing

00:35:31.200 better. Plus I think a huge portion of attractiveness is in the end, someone's

00:35:35.840 self-confidence. So when I do finally hit age 62 and above, I will be even more attractive because

00:35:41.040 I'll be like, ah, I'm finally in my body. Like, and then I'll just look great because I'll be

00:35:46.560 feeling so great. Like I just was coming across new research.

00:35:49.360 I don't want to have sex with a 60 year old. Who am I supposed to be having sex with when you're 60? 1.00

00:35:55.040 23 year olds, obvious. Get with the program, Malcolm. What does every other, 0.99

00:36:01.680 like a post 60 year old man do? I don't know if they had sex. 0.96

00:36:06.080 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am pretty sure that any child that Elon Musk is,

00:36:10.560 is having at this point is via IVF. Yeah. Given his age.

00:36:13.760 I mean, I also think he has probably, I mean, if he wants it, he can have an active sex life with

00:36:18.640 whoever he wants, but I think he's having kids via IVF. So, but that doesn't matter because I have no

00:36:24.560 idea who like. Look at the goblin mode he's gone on the government. Like there was a great

00:36:28.480 breakdown of his tweets that showed like he's up 24 seven. I bet this man has not had sex for 0.73

00:36:34.160 months. He's just going gobble. Yeah. I guess if you look at his tweet schedule, 0.95

00:36:37.440 unless he's tweeting through sexual acts, he's not getting a lot. Yeah. But he's been,

00:36:42.880 he's saving the government. Okay. He's just completely dedicated to fixing the country right

00:36:47.840 now. Well, how many times do you get an opportunity to fix the largest global empire

00:36:53.280 right before it collapses? Like imagine, I actually want to go back in time. Okay.

00:36:59.600 The triumvirate's about to happen. Caesar's about to come to power. The empire has become corrupt.

00:37:05.280 The senators, there's no way really forward to turn into an empire out of nowhere. Time

00:37:10.400 traveling, Elon Musk comes in and goes goblin mode, fixing all of their bureaucracy and corruption

00:37:16.560 over. Punches Tiberius in the throat. Yeah. Five years in the Roman Republic lives another hundred 0.69

00:37:21.920 years, like, or 500 years even, who knows, you know? Yeah. I think the key would be to change the

00:37:29.520 trajectory mid to late into Augustus Caesar's career. I think that while he's known at overseeing the

00:37:40.880 height of it, I think he also. Well, I mean, keep on. Augustus Caesar has that after they'd already

00:37:45.600 translated to an imperial system. I'm saying, can you save the democracy? Do you want to save the

00:37:50.960 democracy? Was the democracy working so well? Curtis Yarvin's beginning to influence you here.

00:37:59.200 With a bit of a monarchist stance. I see why they didn't want him on stage.

00:38:04.880 It's, it's very addictive. What can you say? I'm just saying Baron Trump seems like a cool guy

00:38:10.640 from what I've seen so far. Honestly, yeah. I want, I want to subscribe to that YouTube channel.

00:38:17.360 I want, I want to hit the bell. I want to know what's going on there.

00:38:21.440 What I'm seeing increasingly is conservatives saying they hope Trump runs again. I saw Asma

00:38:26.800 Gold say this, that he wants to see Trump run again. Well, I think this has been a very good run

00:38:31.040 for him. Thanks largely to Trump. So I would, if I were him, be commercially.

00:38:36.480 You know, it'd be fun. You know how to really F with progressives?

00:38:39.520 What? Because they'd be like, oh, legally have J.D. Vance run and Trump as his VP.

00:38:45.360 That would be so cute. Yeah. All right.

00:38:49.280 J.D. Vance run with Baron Trump as his VP. That would be so great.

00:38:52.720 Oh, that would be. I would be ready for that. I'd be ready for that.

00:38:56.800 I'd be ready for that. I'd be ready for that. Or they like Trump at the end part in Luigi Mangione.

00:39:02.960 Oh my God. Oh my God. Because that he's, he's going for something. The way he's styling himself

00:39:08.640 in court clearly implies, look, this man's playing a longer game. He's not out.

00:39:13.920 The one who's keeping TikTok from being banned. Imagine him. This is why he's soaring with,

00:39:20.160 with young people. You know, he's, he's, he's making some pretty, so wob moves here.

00:39:25.040 Oh, no, hold on. Part, I don't think you can pardon Luigi Mangione because I think the crime

00:39:30.640 is a state crime rather than a federal crime. Yeah. But if it was a federal crime, pardon Luigi

00:39:35.200 Mangione, make him your running mate. Progressives would have a complete aneurysm and I would be here

00:39:43.840 for it. All I'm saying is we need to keep updated on what he does next because no one grooms their 0.95

00:39:50.400 eyebrows like that without having a big master plan. Oh, did you see his shoes with the, the,

00:39:55.360 his like fancy shoes with the shackles on his feet? Oh my God. I know now, I know you just want to get

00:40:00.400 like a good pair of leather loafers with the, with the shackles. He was advertising an OnlyFans account.

00:40:06.800 I swear. Oh my God. You want to know who'd be the biggest OnlyFans cleanup is Luigi. Yeah.

00:40:12.640 From jail. Oh my God. Number of girls thirsting over him and he's a crazy murderer type. And he's like,

00:40:18.800 there was like a whole category. I think we did an episode on this, sorry. He could fund the entire

00:40:22.880 jail. I mean, I heard that there's like maggots in their food. It's, it's not a very nice place. He

00:40:27.440 could, he could literally pay. The, the OF, so, so, so a whole category of Luigi Mangione fan fiction

00:40:34.560 has erupted literally within like six hours of shooting. And it's like a really popular category,

00:40:41.120 apparently for girls, of course, like guys are reading this. Well, it's nice to see at least

00:40:47.280 like a younger, attractive activist. You know, the last young activists we have have not really

00:40:55.360 brought us, and I'm talking both progressive and conservative, they've not been exactly heartthrob

00:41:00.400 material. You know, I was actually pointing out that there hasn't been a single urban monoculture

00:41:05.520 rise to fame since Greta Thornburg. And she's not heartthrob material. She's not heartthrob, 0.86

00:41:10.640 but even like AOC was before, or at the same time as Greta Thornburg, you, you just have not had

00:41:15.760 anybody in like the last, I'd say like eight years or something really be able to rise to fame by

00:41:21.040 appealing to the urban monoculture, which is in part why Harry and Meghan bombed so bad. But like

00:41:25.520 this culture has been dead for longer than I think the public realizes.

00:41:30.400 Well, that's the great thing about Louis is he feels to both leftists and some rightists. He's,

00:41:35.680 he's there for everyone. We don't condone violence.

00:41:40.560 I don't condone violence unless it's done to the people of Hamas. 1.00

00:41:47.120 Oh, no, that's still going to get us in trouble. Damn it. 0.99

00:41:50.960 That's still going to get us in trouble. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. 1.00

00:41:55.840 Trouble tonight. Do you want Dan Dan noodles? Or if I have some left gochujang chicken,

00:42:00.560 and I still need a thought steak. I'm sorry. Or you can have potstickers,

00:42:03.520 or you can have a little bit of a gochujang chicken and potstickers or potstickers and potstickers

00:42:09.760 and pasta. You want both?

00:42:12.320 If you can, or I'll take, or I'll take the other one. I don't care. I don't care. Like any of the

00:42:16.400 things you make are amazing, Simone. I'm thinking about doing Dan Dan noodles and potstickers because

00:42:21.200 then I can give some noodles to the kids too. They've been talking about it, like rolling up

00:42:25.200 an epic noodle. And if I do that for them, they'd be really happy. So remember how Octavian just

00:42:32.000 spreads them along the length of the large dining table and then rolls them into large wheels and

00:42:38.560 then eats them. Oh, hold on. I was a girl when I have an OnlyFans. It depends on what age I was.

00:42:43.520 Would I have one today? I mean, yes, if I thought enough people wanted it and I could make a lot

00:42:48.480 of money from it. This is the thing. We can make a lot of money on OnlyFans, especially if I'm

00:42:53.840 already new. You have to work really hard though. You have to be on for hours, right?

00:42:59.440 No, you just have to be famous enough. If I didn't have to worry about it hurting my future

00:43:02.800 marriage prospects, like you didn't care, I'd be like, we're switching our genders here, right? 0.94

00:43:07.680 Oh, yeah. No, we'd be switching our genders. I don't think OnlyFans is a really prosperous place 0.67

00:43:14.480 for men. I wonder how many happily married women there are on OnlyFans. We wouldn't know 0.99

00:43:21.120 because it would be toxic for them. Well, I know a famous one, the ones who were like the,

00:43:25.680 I don't know what you call it, parents owners of Peanut the Squirrel. They made most of their money

00:43:29.680 through OnlyFans. And I remember when we were doing that story, it was like something like,

00:43:33.660 oh, well, we make something like $90,000 a month through OnlyFans. And I heard that and I was like,

00:43:38.900 okay. Like, I'm like iffy on OnlyFans myself. And I heard that and I was like, I could definitely,

00:43:44.580 if it was me and my wife, whatever, even if it's weird, that's $90,000, man.

00:43:49.920 That is crazy. Oh my God.

00:43:54.120 And so they made their fame through Peanut and they sent people to OnlyFans, I think. Are they?

00:43:59.060 Oh, so that's how they got the people on OnlyFans is people came for the squirrel. 0.89

00:44:03.660 And they stayed for the raunchy sex. Is that it? Maybe people into squirrels are also more

00:44:09.640 likely to be open with themselves about their kinks and consuming. I think they said they didn't use

00:44:14.540 the squirrel to promote it. So I could be mis- I just know that they had both, they were famous

00:44:18.060 online and OnlyFans stuff. And I think, you know, the online fame, yeah, cross, cross, cross promotes.

00:44:23.920 And there was actually a story that they had been sniped by another OnlyFans star who was jealous of

00:44:30.260 them. And that got Peanuts killed. The other, the, the rival OnlyFans star marked on them.

00:44:39.420 Yeah. Oh, that's bad. That's the rumor.

00:44:42.120 That's bad.

00:44:42.720 Okay. Okay. I'll get started here.

Based Camp - February 26, 2025

How OnlyFans Beat Its Competitors & Transformed Gender Dynamics

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