How OnlyFans Beat Its Competitors & Transformed Gender Dynamics
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Summary
In this episode, we re talking about the psychology of OnlyFans and how it used psychology to beat the other sex apps online. We re reading a piece from a piece written by Alyssa Milano about how OnlyFans outcompeted the traditional model of online streaming and created an inverted sexual marketplace.
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Hello, Simone. This is going to be an interesting episode. We're going to be talking about the
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psychology of OnlyFans and how it used psychology to beat the other sex apps online. And because
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it's a fascinating story, we'll be mostly reading a piece that Ayla wrote on this.
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Friend of the show. She's been on episodes before. Really, really fascinating piece on how
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psychologically and economically OnlyFans outcompeted the traditional model of online
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streaming and how it created a marketplace in which the male and female roles were switched
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in which females generally when you're dating or something like that, you know, females are the
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people who guard sexuality like they gatekeepers of sex, gatekeepers of sex. There's fewer of them
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that want sex than men. Generally, very few men are going to turn down sex if women are going
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around asking them in a bar or something like that, which means that, you know, men need to
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reach out more. They need to be more prolific in how they reach out and women will see them as creepy
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when they reach out. Where OnlyFans flipped that, where women needed to start reaching out to men
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because men became the biggest of money. Women were using their sexuality in this way. And so women
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needed to like aggressively cross post on Reddit and stuff like that and then reach out to guys in a way
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that guys saw as creepy. So we'll talk about how it created this inverted sexual marketplace,
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which is really fascinating. All right. So here she's talking about the older way that apps used
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to work. You get money through two methods, either live tips or the room, typically witnessed by all
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the other members of chat, or you can get taken private, a one-on-one pay flat rate minute show.
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Different campsites focused on varying points on the spectrum between these two methods,
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but everyone knew the serious money was in the live tipping. Privates capped you at around $3 a
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minute, but tip-based income could average up to $20 a minute. So this is really interesting. So the
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private room wasn't what you wanted. What you wanted was to be in an environment where people
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were tipping, which I wouldn't have expected in this older model. So you had to word it differently
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for the audience. You had these like rooms where you would act for a large group of people and that
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group of people would attempt to tip you, but individuals from that group could pay extra to
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get access to you individually. But the live room was seen as more profitable, which I think
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inverts what a lot of people would expect. But that's because Ayla discovered early on that you
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could play people off each other. It was so dynamic. Yeah. To keep going here, she talks about this.
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The psychology behind high earners for live streaming went something like this.
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You, the aforementioned hot girl, have an established audience of regulars in your audience.
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Each man can see the other men talking to you and giving you money. The men are implicitly ranked by
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dominance, which is determined by how much attention you pay to them, which is in turn determined by how
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much money they give you. This leads to whales and soon 80% of your income is from one to two big
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players. These people are incentivized, not just by making you happy, but by making you happy in front
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of all the other men. The system is competitive. To be a good cam girl, take your biggest tippers and put
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their names and lights behind you so everyone else can see them. Call them heroes, knights, grant official
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titles. Only the richest will survive. I signed up for OnlyFans in 2017 before Leo took over and I thought it
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sucked. I posted some cute videos or whatever, but nobody used it. The tips were negligible against
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the 10k months I was accustomed to. The problems were obvious to me. It was impossible to have whales
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compete against each other. What were the incentives for big spending? Of course, I was wrong, unable to
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see outside my local minima. OnlyFans ended up dominating, decimating the previous cam girl landscapes.
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Nowadays, camming audiences are a fraction of their previous highs, and many of the girls who still cam
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use it explicitly to funnel into their OnlyFans. So how did it succeed so hard? So first, fascinating
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that she sets up this world before OnlyFans, where you made money by paying men against each other and
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even like putting their name up in big flashing lights and everything. What's interesting to me is
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this is clearly playing to a sexual subtype that doesn't include me or most men. I would find it really
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gross doing this. I mean, keep in mind, like I'm a man. I don't want my wife out there like showing
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herself to tons of other men, right? Like that's not awesome. So even if I was the guy who was paying
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the most and getting the most public attention from this woman, I still know all the other men are
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seeing her and giving her money. Well, so you also would have no interest in going to a strip club,
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right? No, it's a disgusting idea. Why? So it's kind of the same thing. Like there's clearly though an
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audience of people who seem to enjoy that. Okay. Okay. Hold on. I'm walking this back in my brain. So
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the pre-OnlyFans sites were targeting the strip club audience, but in an online context.
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Yes. It's like an online strip club with more interesting dynamics. It's way more intellectual.
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Yeah. It's targeting a new audience and in a new way. So I'm wondering, how do you think
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OnlyFans won? You can see the problem that she has laid out here. How do you think OnlyFans was able
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to succeed where these other sites weren't given the situation before the new CEO?
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I'll give you a hint before we go further and I'm going to see if you can break it.
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Okay. Do not think about what the audience wants. The audience isn't actually that important to this.
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They might have a slight preference for the new model, but it's not what drove the change.
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Everything has to do with the cost of advertising.
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Did it make really low payment thresholds? Was it about driving women more to them and the women
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Well, we'll see. I'm not going to, I'm not going to give an answer because now the audience
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is hooked maybe. So I will put two images on stage here where she is making little drawings.
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I love Ayla's terrible drawing where she does like the big boobs and the outfit and everything.
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And so just her one drawing, I actually need to describe this drawing rather than send it to you
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because it'll be so fun for the podcast and people. She's saying, this is the way camming works.
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And it is a woman on stage in a throne. And then three naked men with erect penises going like this
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on a, like a ward stage, like number one, number two, number three, gold, silver, and bronze. And
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then all the other men watching them being awarded top, the top simp and the woman on the throne.
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Okay. What I would say works about this in my mind is I can see how this normalizes simping culture.
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Hmm. And I also think that this might be something that could get bred out of the population
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because if I just had, and always had no interest in this, this could be like a genetic subtype of men
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that doesn't relate to all men. And who will be perfectly satisfied to not
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have a permanent long-term partner because they can just go on OnlyFans.
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That they are satisfied with being the most dominant or appreciated male in a group of males
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that all have sexual access to one woman or access to like, I think what's probably breaking here
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is whatever the thing is where a guy likes showing off a woman that he is proud of like
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being in a monogamous relationship with to other men, that might be the instinct that's breaking here.
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I don't know. I don't, I don't think, I mean, it might just be, I've been thinking a lot lately
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about how you can smell and taste certain things that I can't. And that we know that, for example,
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there are genes that have been demonstrated to show people can either taste or not taste
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certain types of bitterness. For example, certain compounds that can, for some people taste very
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bitter. And for other people, they just don't because they don't have the gene for that. And part
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of me feels like there's just some kind of stimulus receptor or disgust receptor that is turned off in
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some people or turned on in some people that makes this genre either appealing or abhorrent.
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You're right. It's not an arousal receptor that keeps me from liking this. It's a disgust receptor.
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I feel disgust at these thoughts and other people appear to not have this disgust system active.
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And because I, yeah, I mean, I think if you don't have a disgust response to this,
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it is a much, it is a much lower stakes, much more convenient and readily available way to engage
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in sexual activity than dating or finding a partner and all that.
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Fascinating. I also wonder other guys, you shout out in the comments if this is accurate.
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Is there, am I weird for just like not fighting the idea of a strip club arousing at all?
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Like I have been in them before, like, you know, when guys were doing like their trips or whatever
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in Vegas and the whole thing felt super gross. Like, like, like not unarousing, but actively
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disgusting. Like the smells were gross. The women looked low class. I feel like-
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Ouch. No, no, no. This is another thing. I feel like revulsion at like this level of low class.
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I think my closest experience, I think I have a similar response, but all I can go on,
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bear with me here, is Disney character brunches where you attempt to eat a meal in peace. Well,
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apparently not in peace in a Disney themed restaurant while characters in costume and in character walk
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up to you and mess with you and shove food in your face. And some people love that.
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That is exactly what it's like. Actually, I wonder if there's a correlation. Okay. I hated those as a
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kid too. I have never liked like on a Disney ship- Like you are assaulting me. Why are you,
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do not make eye contact with me. Do not make eye contact with me. Do not make eye contact. Do not
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hug me. Do not come near me. I wonder if there's a correlation. Is there anyone? Now this would be an
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interesting experiment for the comments. Yeah. If you like OnlyFans and or strip clubs,
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are you also kind of cool with like taking a photo with a character at a theme park?
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Yeah. Are you also like into theme park characters? If you hate theme park characters,
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do you also hate strip clubs? This would be such a discovery.
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Like these three things correlate. Very interesting. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I mean, basically Disney character brunches are strip clubs for kids. They're strip clubs.
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So then she, well, we might find that they're not, but like I'm 94% sure of this, Malcolm. It's so
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strong within me, but whatever. Okay. So then she did a little thing of what OnlyFans and how it
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works. And it's a bunch of men in booths with like things on either side of them. So they can't see
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that all of the other men are looking at the woman. And then the woman is in front of them all.
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Okay. And she has OnlyFans maintains the dynamic that made camming so successful. Direct life
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connection with a girl, but manages to make it feel individualized. Instead of having to pay a lot
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of money to rank against other men, you can pay a little money and enter a pussy paradise was not a
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single other man in sight. OnlyFans leaves its design towards isolating the men from each other.
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If you're a horny dude- Oh, so they took away this strip club element and they made it the
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girlfriend experience element. Oh. If you're a horny dude, the existence of other horny dudes
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is a fleeting shadow. A ghost only hinted at implicitly through the like counts on photos
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or occasional subscriber count numbers for the rare girls who make it public. So girls don't even have
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to make their subscriber counts public. Wow. Okay. So they discovered the turnoff effect and were like,
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let's fix that. This is unnecessary. Yeah. From the girl's perspective, OF is designed to make
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this easy. There's a bunch of settings for messages and filters of who gets those messages
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so that a thousand brand new men may at once receive the blessed, Hey babe, you up a virtue,
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real girl gazing directly into their eyes. Just him and her horny together forever. Maybe OnlyFans
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is more like, and then she shows the one girl cloned in front of all the stalls. This is likely why
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agencies have become such a strong force behind the most successful OnlyFans models. They offer a
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duplication service. The way agencies work is this. You sign up for an agency and pledge some
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percentage of your OF income and the agency takes over handling a lot of the trivial labor involved
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in copy and pasting the sense of your personalized connection across the stable of men. I've never
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used an agency, but I was curious how they worked back in 2020 when I had a bunch of publicity about
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OF earnings. I started getting pornily headhunted and ended up talking to a man who claimed to run
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the largest OF agency at the time. I asked him a thousand questions about how it worked.
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He said he had rented out a cheap warehouse somewhere outside of New York and staffed it
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with a bunch of minimum wage workers. These workers would log into their clients' accounts
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and chat as them. The chatters got a quick sheet with a bunch of facts about the girls they were
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impersonating to make sure they were being consistent about basic life things like general
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personality slash tone, where the girls lived, et cetera. Their primary goal was to sell content
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directly to the men through DMs. He says, you have to set your monthly subscription price to $5.
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I didn't like this idea. I was at $19 and I didn't want to seem like I was devaluing myself.
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No, we have the data. Girls' income steadily increased as you drop the subscription price
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up to about $5, but below that they decrease again. He was running a very different business
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model than me. I saw a monthly subscription price as an important part of my income, but he viewed it
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as trivial. The real money was in the DMs. Upselling was the goal. The purpose of the $5 a month subprice
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was to be low enough to get as many men as possible, but high enough to filter out the men
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who were too stingy to spend anything on DMs. You didn't want your minimum wage workers wasting
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valuable time trying to sell a guy who wasn't going to put out after all.
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Yeah. Yeah. I, this is just so fascinating. These different business models even was in the OnlyFans
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environments. I couldn't see it at the time, but he had touched on the same principle that was causing
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cam girls to earn more through tips as opposed to flat minimum rate. Building your business model around
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a monthly subscription results in a ceiling on how much each guy is willing to pay. If your model
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is custom built milking every guy with direct response connection, the sky's the limit. I also love
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that this is how Andrew Tate got his start is pretending to be girls online. I also remark on
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this, but like people don't realize like Andrew Tate isn't like, I, I, I like, we have the video
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on Andrew Tate where I was like, you know, young horny men, other men will be out there and say,
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you know, I get you. I will do, you know, things to make you good. Jordan Peterson will cry for you.
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Andrew Tate will get down on his hands and knees and pretend to fuck because that's how he made his
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money. Oh yeah. I like that daddy. That's what Andrew Tate is. He's a closer. Just give me a chance.
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All right. I'll trust you. But only if you will perform oral sex on me.
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You can't be serious. Oh, I am serious. Okay, let's do it. Here we go. And go.
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You are dedicated, but he knows what some types of men want. And yeah, I mean, I, that would make
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sense to me. You know, you would want, you know, we've always talked about dick pics being the most
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feminist thing you can think for a man to do, because they're just sending to women what they
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want, which implies the assumption that they believe that men and women are the same. And that's so
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beautiful. Yeah. So we're doing this without you. Now, hold on team. Gary has already proven to me
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that he is 100% committed to the team. He proved it last night by sucking my cock.
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All right. Come on team. We got to find that stage.
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Since then agencies have only grown. Probably the vast majority of high earning OnlyFans accounts
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are being run by agencies, which take a substantial fraction of the money. The amount varies widely,
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but often a minimum of 50% on top of the 20% OnlyFans already takes.
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Oh my gosh. Wait, but if this is happening and it must be fairly well known, at least if you're into...
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Oh, hold on. It gets worse, given what you're saying here. You're going to love this.
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I joked, my comment was the top comment under this, where I said,
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Aayla's world in this blog is just Aayla constantly expecting more from humanity and
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being disappointed. Agencies are more customizable, more sophisticated. One of the more full service
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agencies I talked to would do everything. They'd fly a girl out to a fancy Airbnb for a few days,
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shoot a huge amount of content, and then send her back. They do all the chatting,
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splice up and organize her content, build her payment structure, funnel in new subscribers.
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She'd take 10 to 20% of the proceeds and never log into OnlyFans once.
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Okay. So drips, this is how they do it. Eventually the commonly known dominant strategy became known
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as drips. You'll film an opening clip, typically 10 to 30 seconds where you said something vague and
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indicating horniness. Then you'd film clips in succession, showing a progression
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of you stripping, teasing, all the way down to masturbating and then climax. The goal was to get
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a set of videos that could be sent as though they were plausibly being filmed live. People would send
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out the first video in mass. A certain percentage of subscribers would respond and then you'd say sexy
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things and then send out a second video for a certain trivial price, typically $3 or so to unlock.
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A certain percentage of those subscribers would pay to unlock the video. Then you sext a bit with them.
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Then send out the next video in the series, usually a slightly increased price. Eventually you work
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your way up to the final video, typically a climax, which could be 30 seconds in links and often sold
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for $20 to $30. I asked a manager once if he typically had the girls film multiple drips at different
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times of day, because if you have light pouring through a window for a girl who supposedly lives
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in a place that's dark, it'd be a dead giveaway that it's not live. I love Ayla. This is so Ayla,
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just so earnest and data-driven. He said, no, it doesn't matter. The men basically never notice or care.
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Oh my God. What? What? So this, oh God. Okay. At one point, trying to understand agencies more,
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I created an account of a horny man, attached a credit card and bought access to high earning girl
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I knew was run by chatters and brought through a drip series. I love Ayla. She's so dedicated.
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Pretending to be a man, spending her money, pretending to be a man on one of these accounts.
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I want to understand how does this work? And she's a, this is why I love Ayla so much. She's just
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such a, a pure person. She cares about truth. She's the most wholesome person I think I've ever
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met. She cares about truth. She's earnest. She's well-attentioned. She's caring. She's yeah.
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I, she's a hundred percent honest about who she is, what she cares about. And she might be wrong
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about those things, but she is honest about them. If she learns otherwise though, she'll change her,
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her view. She just cares about the truth. And she also just is a very pure kind person.
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It doesn't mean anyone any harm. Yeah. Yeah. No, and she might look, her ideology might end
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up hurting people. And we'll do a separate episode on this. I want to talk about how the EA community
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is basically a funnel into becoming a sex worker for women. Cause I've met some people who this happened
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to, and I want to talk about it. Cause I think it is going to be an episode. Okay.
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But I don't think that Ayla intended any or ever thought of any negative consequences from her
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actions. And she did. Well, she's certainly not telling anyone else to live her life.
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Exactly. But other people see it as a model and then attempt to, but anyway, she makes it look
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good. Yeah. Being a man with a credit card on only fans during a drip campaign. It was shockingly bad.
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She texted me something like, Hey baby, you horny. And I was like, yes. She said, let me show you what
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I'm doing. And then she sent me a video of her in what was clearly a well-lit studio. She was wearing
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stilettos and dressed in a skimpy Santa outfit with perfectly curled hair and heavy makeup bending
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down to show off her ass in a performative pose. No semblance of reality here. No semblance of
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spontaneity. No semblance. There was no way she just filmed that. It was insane, but it didn't matter.
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Hanging out with my Santa costume. I love that this bothers Ayla. The practicality of it is what
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bothers her. This doesn't make sense. Why are men believing this? I just love studio lighting.
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It's like my whole house. My whole house? I just happened to wear a Santa outfit today because I'm
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feeling sexy. It was laundry day. I don't want to tell you. This is my real voice. And the whole sexy
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baby thing isn't an act. I'm a very sexy baby. I can't help it if men are attracted to me.
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Like that homeless guy. He likes what he sees. Okay. That could be for me. It's not. It's for her.
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I know. I know. That is wild though. I can't believe it. I'm just a sexy baby on that scene. Okay.
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It took me a long time. I love Ayla. It took me a long time to come to terms with the fact
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that for most men, they don't care about reality when it comes to supposedly connective porn.
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They aren't trafficking you for signs of genuine enjoyment. To them, your personality is simply a
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vessel with which to certify that your breasts are genuine. I know a girl who is typically very
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warm and direct, made personal connections with men who subbed to her. She experimented by making
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a free page, a type of OF where you don't have to subscribe, but instead charging higher money for
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access to individual stuff on the feed. And on this, she hired a real trashy chatter who would spam
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in non-stop with stuff like, Hey, BB, you all caps. My pussy is horny XOXO. Look at me wet now. And yeah,
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her income shot up. Oh no. The fact that men don't actually care about individuation much really
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lends itself to the stability of a connection. A hundred guys will think the things a girl says
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in her drip video are in fact filmed live and directly uniquely for them and could be completely
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unable to notice that it's not that blazing daylight outside, despite being 10 PM, that she never says
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like being in a home state, reduced IQ. Like, you know, some studies have found that when people work
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at a group above a certain size of people, certain number of people, their IQ collectively.
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And being horny also drops IQ. So yeah. Okay. Okay. Like part of this is just like, they're,
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they're, they're not all there. So these aren't necessarily uniquely stupid people. They're, they're
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comparable. I think we forget how stupid the average person is. And I think that for whatever
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arousal pathway, this is that they're masturbating doesn't require the 100% belief that she's really
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doing it for them. Yeah. Or maybe they believe out of, I don't know. Look, a lot of sites survive
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was like, look at these attractive girls in your areas. And like any person was like a shred of IQ
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knows there's not attractive. Those old ads. Yeah. Yeah. Singles in your area. Okay. So she goes,
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you can duplicate an entire human with a low resolution. As long as she appears vaguely fertile,
00:24:24.480
they will never notice. Oh my God. I love, I love a list. So disappointed. And she goes,
00:24:30.720
I am making this point because you might naively think that they're dumb here. She's talking about
00:24:34.480
the people who run only fans. She had this whole section on like the whole thing about them ending
00:24:38.000
porn was completely fake. It was done for, to get stuff. Uh, but she goes to do this with their
00:24:43.840
marketing strategy, but they're not dumb. And so she goes, what is only fans marketing strategy?
00:24:48.720
This is how they succeeded. Their marketing strategy was to do nothing. Sure. They have ads,
00:24:55.200
but have you ever seen an only fans ad by only fans in the wild? And here she points out, you will
00:25:02.080
see only fans ads. Well, I guess other people do. I've never seen one, but she points out an only
00:25:06.320
fans ad here. This for like a specific, I guess the like websites know me well enough to know that
00:25:10.320
I wouldn't be interested in this, but they're by specific only fans models who are paying or model
00:25:16.720
companies who are paying to advertise those models. And that's how, you know,
00:25:20.400
as a company, when your users do the advertising for you. Exactly. Before only fans websites themselves
00:25:27.840
are responsible for providing traffic to their own creators with MFC. And with every other campsite,
00:25:34.000
the front page features a long scrolling list of models splayed out for your browsing pleasure.
00:25:40.080
MFC was responsible for getting men onto the website, typically via ads on porn sites,
00:25:45.600
after which girls would compete against each other for capturing the attention of those men.
00:25:49.520
And competition was fierce exclamation point. The algorithm on the front page prioritized income
00:25:55.760
per hour of camming such that if you were online, you had to hustle or with dropping in visibility
00:26:02.240
and thus dropping even more in income. There were leaderboards for income per month where you could
00:26:08.000
see the girls ranked against each other by who managed to earn the most out of funneled men.
00:26:13.440
And this whole thing was intense and distracting. Everyone's effort was focused on competing inside
00:26:19.920
of the system. As far as I know, I was the only girl who tried marketing outside of MFC and famously,
00:26:25.600
that's how she got a lot of people. She learned how to market on Reddit and stuff before anyone
00:26:28.880
else was marketing on Reddit was her famous gnomes post and stuff generating my own funnels on Reddit.
00:26:34.480
But even then I did this more as a side project, not as a main source of income. By contrast,
00:26:40.000
OnlyFans internal discovery system is pitiful, mostly limited to a small suggested system
00:26:45.120
on the side. So you really, well, that further incentivizes it's only fans clearly stating to
00:26:53.120
their female, well, their provider users. Yeah. You have to advertise yourself. You have to advertise
00:27:00.080
and thus advertise the site outside. I never once heard of an OF girl rely on marketing strategy that
00:27:07.680
involved internal OF discovery systems. No, instead OF turns all of its creators into their own ads.
00:27:14.000
If you're a girl who signed up for OF, made your account, you might sit there and think now what?
00:27:19.040
Nobody subscribes to your account. OF does not hand you any views by virtue of being on the platform.
00:27:24.400
If you want a man to pay you, you have to go out there and find him. You have to be the ad. I cannot
00:27:29.760
overstate the degree to which this radically transformed the online landscape practically overnight.
00:27:34.720
An explosion of OnlyFans ads went off in every corner of the internet as the girls migrated in
00:27:39.920
mass to throw their own naked photos in front of the faces of every man they could find. Sexy subreddits
00:27:45.120
I used to post nudes to with no issues suddenly started instituting rules against me and every other girl
00:27:51.120
who would link to her OF account in her bio. Instagram started banning accounts that linked to OF.
00:27:56.720
And then sometimes even accounts that linked to any other website which then led to OF. Even FetLife
00:28:04.080
famously and loudly pro-sex work ended up conceding by introducing the quote-unquote hide sellers option
00:28:11.280
on their front page to filter out any girls posting tatas for profit. The sentiment towards online nude girls
00:28:21.200
went from fond neutral to outright hostile. As an aside, I do find this kind of amusing. Getting paid
00:28:27.840
for sex places women in a traditionally masculine role. They become the pursuer, trying to extract
00:28:33.600
something they want from the opposite gender, competing against themselves to be the most attractive
00:28:38.320
to otherwise uninterested targets. In a sense, this forced masculine areas of the internet into adopting
00:28:46.000
defensive feminine norms as they banned any predatory quote-unquote behavior and started
00:28:51.520
socially deriding any sellers as being gross or embarrassing. But anyway, very similar to the way
00:28:58.160
people treat men online in a historic context, which then she says. But anyway, I suspect that if OF put
00:29:03.600
effort into internal discovery, this would likely destroy the motivation of a lot of its users from
00:29:08.160
doing their own marketing. This is also likely why OF can get away with taking only 20% commissions as
00:29:14.800
opposed to 50 to 80%. They save a ton by not running ads, which is what other sites were paying.
00:29:20.000
Yeah. They're just hosting. Fascinating, right? OnlyFans won by not having a good internal
00:29:26.160
discovery system. Something to point out elsewhere in the piece, which a lot of people get wrong,
00:29:30.560
is they think that OnlyFans is like a bunch of internet entrepreneurs. She's like, no, these are
00:29:34.480
like OG porn people from like the old days of like the creepiest of OG porn sites, the most predatory
00:29:40.560
of OG porn sites who now own the site. She's like, these guys know what they're doing. They were not
00:29:45.200
about to ban porn on OnlyFans. This is not a site run by people who don't know what's up. They
00:29:52.160
understand men. But I find the psychology of men who get off on this new form very interesting,
00:29:56.960
that they don't seem to care that these are real women. But I mean, then is any man who's
00:30:02.160
masturbating to porn, do they care about real women? Do they care about like,
00:30:05.280
I think we sort of knew that men didn't really care. It's how much is needed to maintain the
00:30:10.640
illusion from the perspective of maximizing. Yeah. It's so token at this point that I feel
00:30:16.080
like a leap to AI is once it becomes good enough, just going to be like, why not? Well,
00:30:22.800
I bet most OnlyFans are already being done by AI because yeah, for sure. But I mean, I'm also talking
00:30:28.480
about fully non-human personalities too, not just taking the photos of a woman, but just doing the
00:30:37.040
full thing. Yeah. Generated. 100%. We'll see. This is where we are as a country, as a world.
00:30:46.160
Agencies primarily handle sexting, but funneling new eyes in is also part of the stuff they profit
00:30:50.880
from. I don't know much about this, but I get the impression from various calls that pre-OF big
00:30:55.600
multi-million follower or Instagram accounts, typically meme accounts, would make money by
00:30:59.680
selling ads disguised as not ads. There was no visible platform for this. The guys who did this
00:31:05.360
would sell these manually in jealously guarded Telegram chats. After OF, they pivoted to boobies,
00:31:12.320
posting search traps described as casual memes, along with the rest. Some of these big Insta accounts
00:31:17.920
would switch to founding agencies or people from agencies somehow made their way in and they would
00:31:24.480
make deals, quote, post my girl on your page and we pay $400. I wanted to get into these groups and
00:31:30.240
I tried, but it seems like there were no actual models allowed in these groups and I couldn't
00:31:34.640
find anyone to let me in. If someone was managing multiple girls, he'd often use these together.
00:31:40.080
It was pretty common to see a source trap sexy girl, go follow her page, find it was private with
00:31:46.000
a message. I'll approve followers first, but you have to first follow other sexy model. You navigate to
00:31:51.280
the other model's page and she'd have the same message. You went through all the way down to
00:31:55.920
follow every model's page in order to get in, presumably after being approved by all of them.
00:32:01.200
Fascinating strategy. Sounds terrible though. Not my thing.
00:32:11.760
I love you to death, Simone. We will create our own. Did you know that like 20% of OnlyFans content,
00:32:16.880
I think that's like 20 or 25% when I was looking are actually created for safe for work?
00:32:22.320
Like cooking stuff and stuff like that. Oh, I know. Yeah. Like Ayla said in some of her
00:32:28.160
posts, I think that like her sister did stuff, our interviews, her sister did stuff on OnlyFans,
00:32:32.320
but just like humor stuff, like dressed in a banana costume, nothing, um, nothing explicit.
00:32:39.280
What should we do on OnlyFans? What should be our? I just don't want to be on OnlyFans.
00:32:44.720
I just do not. And it's not a prudish thing. It's just like...
00:32:48.800
It's prudish for me, kind of. I really hate my money.
00:32:53.920
I do it. You're, you, I'm fine with you on OnlyFans. I can't look at myself in a mirror
00:33:00.160
and tolerate what I see. So there's no way. I think you have to like be cool.
00:33:04.000
You are the least sexualized woman on the internet. Look at how much you're hiding like
00:33:09.680
any potential cleavage, any potential sexuality. I wonder if people like you, you're with a partner
00:33:16.000
who people know you're married to. So you don't even like get like the, like, we don't have
00:33:20.960
Simone Simps. Like it's weird. Well, I mean, I still think that we, you know, once we do merch,
00:33:29.440
we'll just have to sell the Malcolm dildo. It'll be great.
00:33:32.320
Here's the question. You used to get this back in the day, right? You must have. When you,
00:33:36.000
she was in direct marketing at the 45th highest traffic website. She'd have people write like
00:33:39.360
fan fictions about her. Yeah. But I didn't realize at the time,
00:33:45.520
probably because of autism, that it had anything to do with the sexual interest.
00:33:50.560
And so I just auto responded, you know, like an AI chatbot responding to people. It's not
00:33:55.920
thinking, oh, this person is attempting to, no, it's just like, oh, this person has sent a message
00:34:01.280
of greeting. I will send an equally friendly or equally respectful.
00:34:04.960
Simone, you are, you are post wall. You're, you're a good, like eight years post wall.
00:34:15.520
Yeah. I mean, look, the wall is, is are you fertile? Like, are you breed up, submissive and breedable?
00:34:21.440
That's what guys want. Submissive and breedable. Okay. Hey, I've always felt like I'm 62 years
00:34:26.880
old. So I, I will only feel comfortable in my body once I'm 62 years old. I'm, I'm trans old.
00:34:36.480
And so I'm going to have dysmorphia until I'm finally, I think that submissive and breedable
00:34:42.080
is such like a tight description of what it is that men are actually looking for when they say,
00:34:47.200
like that's post fertility. 19 to 21. And that's, that's kind of it actually.
00:34:54.080
And somebody else wrote that you always see your own partner at the age that you fell in
00:34:58.880
love with them at. And so I wonder if like, I'm delusional about how attractive you are.
00:35:03.040
Like maybe you're just not attractive at all. I see you at the age that you are now because
00:35:06.640
you've never been hotter in my entire existence. You just get prettier every day, get more chiseled,
00:35:12.000
a little bit more. I actually do, by the way, like I am not as attractive in older stuff.
00:35:16.320
I think I, while biologically I have aged, I am happier with who I am now. And so I look
00:35:24.640
better now than I did when I was young and when you first met me. So I think you're also doing
00:35:31.200
better. Plus I think a huge portion of attractiveness is in the end, someone's
00:35:35.840
self-confidence. So when I do finally hit age 62 and above, I will be even more attractive because
00:35:41.040
I'll be like, ah, I'm finally in my body. Like, and then I'll just look great because I'll be
00:35:46.560
feeling so great. Like I just was coming across new research.
00:35:49.360
I don't want to have sex with a 60 year old. Who am I supposed to be having sex with when you're 60?
00:35:55.040
23 year olds, obvious. Get with the program, Malcolm. What does every other,
00:36:01.680
like a post 60 year old man do? I don't know if they had sex.
00:36:06.080
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am pretty sure that any child that Elon Musk is,
00:36:10.560
is having at this point is via IVF. Yeah. Given his age.
00:36:13.760
I mean, I also think he has probably, I mean, if he wants it, he can have an active sex life with
00:36:18.640
whoever he wants, but I think he's having kids via IVF. So, but that doesn't matter because I have no
00:36:24.560
idea who like. Look at the goblin mode he's gone on the government. Like there was a great
00:36:28.480
breakdown of his tweets that showed like he's up 24 seven. I bet this man has not had sex for
00:36:34.160
months. He's just going gobble. Yeah. I guess if you look at his tweet schedule,
00:36:37.440
unless he's tweeting through sexual acts, he's not getting a lot. Yeah. But he's been,
00:36:42.880
he's saving the government. Okay. He's just completely dedicated to fixing the country right
00:36:47.840
now. Well, how many times do you get an opportunity to fix the largest global empire
00:36:53.280
right before it collapses? Like imagine, I actually want to go back in time. Okay.
00:36:59.600
The triumvirate's about to happen. Caesar's about to come to power. The empire has become corrupt.
00:37:05.280
The senators, there's no way really forward to turn into an empire out of nowhere. Time
00:37:10.400
traveling, Elon Musk comes in and goes goblin mode, fixing all of their bureaucracy and corruption
00:37:16.560
over. Punches Tiberius in the throat. Yeah. Five years in the Roman Republic lives another hundred
00:37:21.920
years, like, or 500 years even, who knows, you know? Yeah. I think the key would be to change the
00:37:29.520
trajectory mid to late into Augustus Caesar's career. I think that while he's known at overseeing the
00:37:40.880
height of it, I think he also. Well, I mean, keep on. Augustus Caesar has that after they'd already
00:37:45.600
translated to an imperial system. I'm saying, can you save the democracy? Do you want to save the
00:37:50.960
democracy? Was the democracy working so well? Curtis Yarvin's beginning to influence you here.
00:37:59.200
With a bit of a monarchist stance. I see why they didn't want him on stage.
00:38:04.880
It's, it's very addictive. What can you say? I'm just saying Baron Trump seems like a cool guy
00:38:10.640
from what I've seen so far. Honestly, yeah. I want, I want to subscribe to that YouTube channel.
00:38:17.360
I want, I want to hit the bell. I want to know what's going on there.
00:38:21.440
What I'm seeing increasingly is conservatives saying they hope Trump runs again. I saw Asma
00:38:26.800
Gold say this, that he wants to see Trump run again. Well, I think this has been a very good run
00:38:31.040
for him. Thanks largely to Trump. So I would, if I were him, be commercially.
00:38:36.480
You know, it'd be fun. You know how to really F with progressives?
00:38:39.520
What? Because they'd be like, oh, legally have J.D. Vance run and Trump as his VP.
00:38:49.280
J.D. Vance run with Baron Trump as his VP. That would be so great.
00:38:52.720
Oh, that would be. I would be ready for that. I'd be ready for that.
00:38:56.800
I'd be ready for that. I'd be ready for that. Or they like Trump at the end part in Luigi Mangione.
00:39:02.960
Oh my God. Oh my God. Because that he's, he's going for something. The way he's styling himself
00:39:08.640
in court clearly implies, look, this man's playing a longer game. He's not out.
00:39:13.920
The one who's keeping TikTok from being banned. Imagine him. This is why he's soaring with,
00:39:20.160
with young people. You know, he's, he's, he's making some pretty, so wob moves here.
00:39:25.040
Oh, no, hold on. Part, I don't think you can pardon Luigi Mangione because I think the crime
00:39:30.640
is a state crime rather than a federal crime. Yeah. But if it was a federal crime, pardon Luigi
00:39:35.200
Mangione, make him your running mate. Progressives would have a complete aneurysm and I would be here
00:39:43.840
for it. All I'm saying is we need to keep updated on what he does next because no one grooms their
00:39:50.400
eyebrows like that without having a big master plan. Oh, did you see his shoes with the, the,
00:39:55.360
his like fancy shoes with the shackles on his feet? Oh my God. I know now, I know you just want to get
00:40:00.400
like a good pair of leather loafers with the, with the shackles. He was advertising an OnlyFans account.
00:40:06.800
I swear. Oh my God. You want to know who'd be the biggest OnlyFans cleanup is Luigi. Yeah.
00:40:12.640
From jail. Oh my God. Number of girls thirsting over him and he's a crazy murderer type. And he's like,
00:40:18.800
there was like a whole category. I think we did an episode on this, sorry. He could fund the entire
00:40:22.880
jail. I mean, I heard that there's like maggots in their food. It's, it's not a very nice place. He
00:40:27.440
could, he could literally pay. The, the OF, so, so, so a whole category of Luigi Mangione fan fiction
00:40:34.560
has erupted literally within like six hours of shooting. And it's like a really popular category,
00:40:41.120
apparently for girls, of course, like guys are reading this. Well, it's nice to see at least
00:40:47.280
like a younger, attractive activist. You know, the last young activists we have have not really
00:40:55.360
brought us, and I'm talking both progressive and conservative, they've not been exactly heartthrob
00:41:00.400
material. You know, I was actually pointing out that there hasn't been a single urban monoculture
00:41:05.520
rise to fame since Greta Thornburg. And she's not heartthrob material. She's not heartthrob,
00:41:10.640
but even like AOC was before, or at the same time as Greta Thornburg, you, you just have not had
00:41:15.760
anybody in like the last, I'd say like eight years or something really be able to rise to fame by
00:41:21.040
appealing to the urban monoculture, which is in part why Harry and Meghan bombed so bad. But like
00:41:25.520
this culture has been dead for longer than I think the public realizes.
00:41:30.400
Well, that's the great thing about Louis is he feels to both leftists and some rightists. He's,
00:41:35.680
he's there for everyone. We don't condone violence.
00:41:40.560
I don't condone violence unless it's done to the people of Hamas.
00:41:47.120
Oh, no, that's still going to get us in trouble. Damn it.
00:41:50.960
That's still going to get us in trouble. I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
00:41:55.840
Trouble tonight. Do you want Dan Dan noodles? Or if I have some left gochujang chicken,
00:42:00.560
and I still need a thought steak. I'm sorry. Or you can have potstickers,
00:42:03.520
or you can have a little bit of a gochujang chicken and potstickers or potstickers and potstickers
00:42:12.320
If you can, or I'll take, or I'll take the other one. I don't care. I don't care. Like any of the
00:42:16.400
things you make are amazing, Simone. I'm thinking about doing Dan Dan noodles and potstickers because
00:42:21.200
then I can give some noodles to the kids too. They've been talking about it, like rolling up
00:42:25.200
an epic noodle. And if I do that for them, they'd be really happy. So remember how Octavian just
00:42:32.000
spreads them along the length of the large dining table and then rolls them into large wheels and
00:42:38.560
then eats them. Oh, hold on. I was a girl when I have an OnlyFans. It depends on what age I was.
00:42:43.520
Would I have one today? I mean, yes, if I thought enough people wanted it and I could make a lot
00:42:48.480
of money from it. This is the thing. We can make a lot of money on OnlyFans, especially if I'm
00:42:53.840
already new. You have to work really hard though. You have to be on for hours, right?
00:42:59.440
No, you just have to be famous enough. If I didn't have to worry about it hurting my future
00:43:02.800
marriage prospects, like you didn't care, I'd be like, we're switching our genders here, right?
00:43:07.680
Oh, yeah. No, we'd be switching our genders. I don't think OnlyFans is a really prosperous place
00:43:14.480
for men. I wonder how many happily married women there are on OnlyFans. We wouldn't know
00:43:21.120
because it would be toxic for them. Well, I know a famous one, the ones who were like the,
00:43:25.680
I don't know what you call it, parents owners of Peanut the Squirrel. They made most of their money
00:43:29.680
through OnlyFans. And I remember when we were doing that story, it was like something like,
00:43:33.660
oh, well, we make something like $90,000 a month through OnlyFans. And I heard that and I was like,
00:43:38.900
okay. Like, I'm like iffy on OnlyFans myself. And I heard that and I was like, I could definitely,
00:43:44.580
if it was me and my wife, whatever, even if it's weird, that's $90,000, man.
00:43:54.120
And so they made their fame through Peanut and they sent people to OnlyFans, I think. Are they?
00:43:59.060
Oh, so that's how they got the people on OnlyFans is people came for the squirrel.
00:44:03.660
And they stayed for the raunchy sex. Is that it? Maybe people into squirrels are also more
00:44:09.640
likely to be open with themselves about their kinks and consuming. I think they said they didn't use
00:44:14.540
the squirrel to promote it. So I could be mis- I just know that they had both, they were famous
00:44:18.060
online and OnlyFans stuff. And I think, you know, the online fame, yeah, cross, cross, cross promotes.
00:44:23.920
And there was actually a story that they had been sniped by another OnlyFans star who was jealous of
00:44:30.260
them. And that got Peanuts killed. The other, the, the rival OnlyFans star marked on them.