How The Red Pill Can Cuck You
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss how some people are so red-pilled that they cuck themselves, and how to deal with it. We cover: How some people develop an idea of manhood and what it means to be a man which is incompatible with women wanting to be married to you. Why some women are simply not good enough.
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the way in which women reduce you and all of your creative and adventurous impulses and render you
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to a headless quote-unquote husband. The ideal husband has put aside in his ideals all dangerous
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ideas. The meme term for this is the wife guy. I have seen many men who were already quite mediocre
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in spirit debase themselves to a level of slavery for their wives and children. But the point here
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being is he sees this wholesome marriage and I think many people downstream of the manos here and
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everything like that have come to see wholesomeness like a wholesome sweet loving couple as as a form
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of humiliation. They see it as humiliating to the man because it's not what Andrew Tate sold them
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masculinity was. Would you like to know more? Hello I am excited to be here today. Today we are going to
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be going over how some people are so red-pilled they cuck themselves. And it is a problem that I
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see consistently within parts of the manosphere where individuals develop an idea of manhood
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and what it means to be a man which is incompatible with tolerable women wanting to be married to you.
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That's the key point. Tolerable women. Right and so they'll go out there and they'll just be like
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women are always like a drain on their husband and like make their lives worse. And I'm like like
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clearly that's not the case. Like you you're an awesome wife. You you do way more of both your
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share of the professional and housework. You you know are pregnant with kid number five right now
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which you do with a plum. You're only worried when the kids might have some sort of health issue or
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anything. You you know cook meals for family. Like clearly and people hear her talk. She doesn't
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you do nag me. I will say you do nag me. Not a lot more recently but not in a way. Third trimester
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doesn't yield great emotional control. Yeah I remember this from last time you were this this
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pregnant. I'm really sorry. And it really only happens when she has genuine justification. Like
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she's doing far more of the workload on something than I am. Note here she just gave birth to our
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fifth kid who is healthy Tex. She is with Tex in the hospital. Yesterday she gave birth to him
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by her fifth c-section. So very dangerous surgery. We're very grateful that it all went well. And I
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am at home playing with our oldest as she recovers in the hospital. So that's how intense she is about
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this. But the point I'm making here is like clearly good women exist right. The problem is
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is that if I acted the way that many of these manosphere influencers told me to act women like
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Simone would not want to marry me or be around me. And so when these men say all women who exist like
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a wall or whatever all women are like that have you know these these character traits and I'm like well
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I don't see that in the women that I've dated in the past or that I'm married to. What they're really
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saying is the way I act filters for women who act like this. And unfortunately a lot of these ideas
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can come out of this this wider community that we're a part of and lead to we're going to go a bit
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into like Stephen Crowder's marriage breakdown. We're going to go a bit into Laura Southern's marriage
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breakdown. We're going to go a but we're going to go all at this from the framing device of an essay
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by deep at left analysis which is essentially a left-wing guy. But when you begin to hear this
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article you will immediately be like that sounds not leftist at all to me. So like culturally it's
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clear where this came from and I think it's one of the best examples of this where he literally argues
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that he's gay for like manosphere reasons. He's the political lesbian of men? I guess yes.
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That's crazy. Okay we got to get into this because I didn't I don't know I figured that
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women would be political lesbians because in general women are more attracted to dominance
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versus submissions and care relatively to men a lot less about primary and secondary sexual
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characteristics whereas men are a lot more sensitive to that. So I just thought like well
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women are political lesbians because they can be. But but but here what you'll see and you'll hear in
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what he's saying is within like the Bronze Age pervert sort of a mindset or something like that
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he's signaling something to our community that you would understand is sort of like a you know
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gorilla punching his chest being like I I so manly I know words I know how to say them
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and it only works for signaling your status to other men it repels women and yet people
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misunderstand and think that this is actually the way they need to be acting or talking about women
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trad women are materialists but I also know that he's kind of right about stuff. Well you can be right
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and end up being a cucked yes political gay man but continue so trad women are materialists in the
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lowest sense of the word their goal in life is to identify a worthy male and then browbeat him into
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submission psychologically abuse him neuter him and castrate him this is a very practical thing to do
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and a very safe and produces an effective slave society but is devoid of idealism and heroism
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modern gays are a radical extension of this feminine drive towards practical materialism you see what
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I mean when I say he comes off his very right wing he really says he's left wing again what we'll think
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about this he's attacking trad women here right like he's saying trad women are materialists in the
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lowest sense of the word their goal is to identify a worthy male then browbeat him into submission
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and for many trad women yeah that's kind of what they are looking for they're not looking for a man
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they can empower but a man that they can in a way enslave yeah when I say trad women he again quoting
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him here when I say trad women I'm referring to Stephen Crowder's ex-wife who claims that the highest
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duty of a man is to marry a woman and then do whatever she says Miss Crowder is a parody of the trad
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woman but she is only saying aloud what many trad women secretly already believe so what did she
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actually say because first you know I want to get the actual information here from the horse's mouth
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she posted on twitter the most alpha thing a man can do is marry and be faithful to a good woman for
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the entirety of his life and be willing to storm the greats of hell to stay married to her this was in
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response to a video by conservative commentator Matt Walsh discussing marriage as supernatural it
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generated significant backlash and discussion on x with many users interpreting it as promoting an
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overly sacrificial and one-sided view of men's role in marriage though it does not and blah blah blah
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the the point here being is she does appear to basically think that and a lot of people are aware
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of the Crowder and his wife breaking up but I wanted to start talking about them to be like this is the
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type of woman that a man who acts and presents like Crowder is able to and keep in mind Crowder is the
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height of what this type of man is right like presumably he's going to have his pick of the
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litter in terms of of women who will tolerate a man like this so if you are the very best of what
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this community can achieve your outcome and and keep in mind that the alternative understanding here is
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is Stephen Crowder is just not a good guy or good husband which may be the case we'll get into that
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but I think that many of his flaws as a partner came downstream of trying to emulate the philosophy
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of the red pill and traditionalist version of what a male is in a way that doesn't work within a modern
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context and it's very important that we do not do that like our goal is not to signal to other people
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in the men's sphere how tough and cool we are our goal is to get married to somebody who wants to
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improve our lives and works every day to improve our lives and has lots of kids more more actually
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our goal first and foremost is to maximize something we believe has inherent value and we choose to find a
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partner because we understand that if you find the right kind of partner and form the right kind of
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relationship you will be more collectively effective at maximizing that thing or that collection of
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things that you value than you would on your own it's not even that your goal is to find a wife
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yeah and and I'll note here we often say like you're you're often not going to end up in a place
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better than the advice you're getting from somebody so if somebody's a leading figure in like the
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larger wider manosphere scene and they are giving out advice and they can't keep a marriage past their
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first two kids that advice has a high probability of leading you to a similar end point and even if
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you say it's the wife's fault which we'll get into analyzing how much of it because I do think a large
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part of it is the wife's fault he still chose and vetted her as a wife and the way that he's acting
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and the advice he's giving will lead you to have a wife like that like that's that's all of our
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responsibility before we got married that's that's what the dating phase is for that's what the
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engagement phase is for people don't become new people magically after after that I guess you can
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say that they tricked you the entire time but often when I see these individuals they haven't been
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tricked they were signaling that this is what they wanted the couple separated in 2021 after Stephen
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left their home for elective surgery in June and did not return now he says he did not return because
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he was working on his temper he purchased a separate townhouse following the birth of their
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twins in August 2021 so when you're buying a separate house to work on your temper though I don't see
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you know this isn't like I'm gonna take a breather and work on myself for like a couple weeks you're
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buying a house yeah so while she was pregnant with the twins he basically abandoned her and these were
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his first kids right so he's not there for the pregnancy which was incredibly complicated in
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terms of the actually having the c-section because she had a an emergency c-section even without an
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emergency c-section pregnancy the twins are tough and and they're very often born premature it is not
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it's like the hard mode of both pregnancy and for them as young kids you know he's not in the area he
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says well I don't believe in divorce you know I never would have gotten divorced except she filed for
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divorce in December and he hired his divorce attorney in November now you can say he's doing
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this preemptively thinking that the divorce is going to happen but it wasn't when he knew that a
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divorce looked like it was coming down the tracks he wasn't all hands on deck let me go back to where
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she's living because she has multiple times asked me to come home and help with the twins and try to
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work something out it's I'm gonna hire a divorce attorney right so whatever was in his mind was his
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mindset on this it led to bad outcomes my actual read of what led to this is is he had such a strong
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belief against divorce like divorces just don't happen that he didn't consider it a possibility
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as things were going off the rails in the relationship and so he didn't work to more quickly
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correct and address the way things were going off the rails because I think that if you had considered
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divorce a possibility and you just really didn't want a divorce the last thing you would do is when
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your wife is pregnant with twins buy a house in a different state and move there you especially if
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she was asking you not to do that so and then this is what I'm talking about where I'm like be careful
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of these sorts of mindsets like divorce isn't a possibility because it can ironically lead to divorce
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in leaked ring camera video from June 26 2021 um he berates her and demanding that she perform
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her wifely duties but the problem is is his demands were totally reasonable like medicating and walking
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dogs tasks that she claimed she feared were unsafe during pregnancy medicating dogs is not unsafe during
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pregnancy maybe the dogs is if you've been ordered on bed rest and it doesn't seem like he was very
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pregnant in her things because I you saw I'm sure you saw the footage I saw the footage the the famous
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crowder ring cam footage it looks it's bad he's just being a complete ass I think that the bigger
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problem for me is I completely lose respect for people when they just angrily berate people he could
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have said the same things like coldly and with emotional control and I wouldn't have had a problem
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with it it's it's when people lose emotional control that I just completely like well and I think
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especially and this is one of these things where it's like can I take her word for it she does appear
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to have been being a bee but keep in mind he filtered for this like his presence filtered for a woman who
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was a bee in the way this woman was a bee you know he chose this based on his criteria of what a good
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woman is the problem is like traditionalist criteria often lend themselves to finding individuals like this
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right but then also believing things like showing low emotional control is manly so if we look at his
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work environment for example multiple former employees including at least five who spoke
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anonymously described a pattern of verbal abuse where crowder would scream at staff and use derogatory
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language how do people rise in their careers when they behave so unprofessionally especially these
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days well I think because his career allowed him to rise through a sort of online fame where this
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stuff could be cut out you know apparently he would yell at people in meetings and stuff like that
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now why would these people keep working from just because they thought he was making a lot of money
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often people need to support their families and that's why you know because they're getting paid and
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you know but I note here that this is if you want to get like how inappropriate he was accused of
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repeatedly exposing his genitals to male members in a non-sexual but harassing member matter such as like
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one flashing staff as a joke there there was drug related stuff which I don't care and then it's
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like oh and he had this NDA thing that was really strict where you could be sued a hundred thousand
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dollars I don't care people have a right to have NDAs but yelling at employees you just fire them if
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they're not doing a good job you just let them go right like I think that that for me is like a
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that somebody could think that that was a nor like yeah if you respect your employees so little that
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you're berating them then you're not a good match if you're berating your employees it's clearly not
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working you should hire a different employee same with a wife if you have a wife who you're berating
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like why did you marry them it seems so odd to me well let's not just that but I just think that this
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is something that he thinks is a normal way for a man to act in public right or or with his loved ones
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and you know if you're like oh Malcolm like surely you sometimes yell at employees like one of the fans
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a show who a lot of people know on like discord and stuff like that Bruno works for me on a project
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like you can ask him I do not I I would I I can't even imagine thinking it's okay to yell at at somebody
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who was working before me and then when it comes to raising my voice was my wife I would only do it
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if I had first communicated to her that something was dangerous for our shared goals and she was not
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listening or engaging with the information when it was communicated without the emotional
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addition right like you should be able to control your emotions as an adult I'd also note here that
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for me as well the whole thing about saying I wanted to work on a marriage he described a marriage
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ending in divorce at the deepest of personal failure it's like well if you if you feel that way
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right why did you hire the lawyer instead of immediately going back and trying to fix things with
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her clearly she wanted to talk this out for a long period where you both left her and
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financially cut her off like you basically forced her hand in this and I think that this
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is part of a breakdown that comes downstream of what we are being taught is normal in terms of how you
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source partners in a manospheric culture and I think that we also saw this was Lauren Southern so it was
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Laura Southern the relationship deteriorated into what Southern described as abusive and toxic she
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reported verbal abuse such as being called worthless and pathetic daily worthless and pathetic daily
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being locked out of the house and being abandoned with her infant son for days sometimes in bad weather
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that's completely a non-issue if you had a job that took him out but and being locked out of the house
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could have been an accident that she's over doing but being called worthless and pathetic by your
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husband ever is a really big deal like as a culture you should know to feel shame about that like we
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should be building a culture where a man would be horrified about anyone ever finding out that he
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called his wife worthless and pathetic yeah that sounds like Stanford prison experiment stuff it doesn't
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sound like what you would do to anyone who you want to work with like if you're trying to to torture
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and demoralize a victim at a black ops site probably but this yeah yeah I don't know like could this be
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some misinterpretation of like military basic training like I have to break you down in order to build you
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up like what is this coming from where is the logic behind this so I think within the type of manosphere
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content that was originally created by people like Andrew Tate this idea of being this growly angry
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person became associated with masculinity that people began to confuse anger with masculinity
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and we'll actually go into this because later in this piece that I'm going to keep reading
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the guy describes like what he doesn't think masculinity is and it is the wife guy who a lot of people
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online have been making fun of is this like his username the wife guy the wife guy is like a meme
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these days I'll put a picture on screen of what a wife guy looks like it's a husband who genuinely
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loves and appreciates his wife it's the guy who you know and there's lots of memes about this
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woke up one day I'm a wife guy I changed from my playaways at the right time you can never know
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how you grow in your life now all I talk about is how I love my wife I can't believe that I turned
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into a wife guy I'm going husband mode on your small fries happy wife happy life type that's a
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saying that I just came up with a lot of y'all love your wives but I love it the most I'm currently
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working on an anniversary post like you know the the wife making demands that are normal of wives to
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make of their husband and the husband sweetly deciding to do it right any subservience to your
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wife is often seen as a negative thing or any degree of capitulation or I even sort of say wholesomeness
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like it's it's it's being wholesomely married is not masculine to these people and and is that not
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true you you look downstream of the Andrew Tate's world is being you know a genuinely wholesome
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marriage right like where every day I mean how many I love you's do you think you get per day for me
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12 on average maybe yeah probably 12 13 something around conservatively speaking here okay how many
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like genuine mean how often do I genuinely like meanly criticize you it's been like
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two years since the last so not frequently yeah yeah that makes me a wife guy because I'm not
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asserting dominance over you constantly I think a lot of this came downstream of this obsession with
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dominance whereas the point of then again though like am I constantly trying to undermine you as the
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leader of this family and it sounds like these women kind of are but you didn't because you when
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I was looking for you and if you read our book like the pragmatist guide of relationships when you come
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out of that you're going to find a wife like my wife because you understand that what you're looking
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for is somebody who respects you and respects your shared vision right who isn't trying to I think a lot
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of this bad behavior comes down from the man seeing his life goal is filling a role i.e. the role of
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the man or the husband and the wife's role in goal in life is supposed to be to be the wife you know and
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if you see these as your individual roles in life instead of making some whiter change in society
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raising good kids everything like that it's much more easy for these sorts of incurable differences
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to arise and also you to not feel like a man when you subvert this man-like action for something
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potentially bigger to continue with the piece here feminism by contrast is a relief from slavery
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because the feminist with her short blue hair and unshaved armpits is less seductive less deceptive
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less effective at entrapping and ensnaring men feminists upon inspection are porn addicts with the
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desire to be choked and spanked and abused in all sorts of violent ways this is degrading and unpleasant
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but it is morally superior to the trad woman there is a what do feminists are super anti-porn
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i mean i guess trad women are too but where is he getting about urban monoculture women no just
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like mainstream romance novel readers book talkers blue hair you know polyamorous etc but i i there is
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a biblical story where in a jewish woman i think her name is ruse seduces one of the many in everybody
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israel notice i wouldn't be getting my bible this wrong i'm quoting the guy here while he is sleeping
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he cuts off his head or drives a nail in it i may be confusing two different stories here but the bible
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is full of repetition but the story is metaphorical for the way in which women will cut the head off
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your penis physically then they will reduce you and all of your creative and adventurous impulses
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and render you to a headless quote-unquote husband the ideal husband has put aside in his ideals all
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dangerous ideas the meme term for this is the wife guy i have seen many men who are already quite
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mediocre in spirit debase themselves to a level of slavery for their wives and children or grapes much
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yeah why don't you google wife guys so you can get an idea of what's being talked about here
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so just a husband is there for his wife and yeah sort of unabashed exubiasm for your wife and marriage
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and willingness to compromise and a desire to please her and be a good guy god the ideology of the wife
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guy is justified with the theology of traditionalism which states that god wants mediocrates to reproduce
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as much as physically possible this is a gross and disgusting ideology and its adherents deserve only
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humiliation which they gladly receive washing and sucking toes making themselves into fools speaking in
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tongues being fat engaging in hysterical conspiracy theories about globalists having sex with 17
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year old prostitutes well i mean that's not a conspiracy theory that's something that like on
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the record happened maybe we haven't found everyone engaged with it but it definitely happened but i guess
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the point he's making here is why should you even care at 17 year old prostitutes humility and
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humiliation for these wait your point is as long as they're being paid fairly well he's just like
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they're close to the age of consent and you know people really i i don't i can understand how
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somebody whatever you know it might not be my opinion but i can understand you know where somebody
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is coming from but the point here being is he sees this wholesome marriage and i think
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many people downstream of the manos here and everything like that have come to see uh wholesomeness like a
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wholesome sweet loving couple as as a form of humiliation they they see it as humiliating to
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the man because it's not what andrew tate sold them masculinity was it's not this sounds so similar
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to the feminist stuff we've read about marriage too that it's humiliating and degrading that you know
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this could easily have just been word swapped yes for for being a woman yes then skipping part of the
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story here humiliation before god is recognition that in any place at any time you might become
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possessed and a slave to a higher power which will compel you towards acts of insanity for some
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higher purpose beyond comprehension the most humble are the most open to salvation and these men are
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heroes but the tradest has reduced humility to the 95 job changing diapers all sorts of other petty
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humiliations the tradest worships biological children and the wife and most absurdly vain repetitions
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and this is the thing i think it's the type of guy who doesn't want to change his kids diapers
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who sees this as is making him no longer a man right like and also like if you really don't want to
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change diapers you don't have to i mean when's the last time you've changed a diaper it's been
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years at this point honestly it was only with our first kid when we were sharing all of our roles and
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now you always do the young kids and i do the older kids yeah like there are ways if you have
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concerns about specific elements of marriage or if you're like you know i really don't want to be
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this kind of husband and i really don't want to you know when's the last time you sucked my toes
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malcolm like neither of us would consent to that at all like i don't know i just like these things that he
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perceives as normal i think but i think that they see it as a package they see the wholesome
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dulling husband on their wife he must also suck her toes he must also change the diapers he must also
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you know they they they they because they see life as not about in states but about roles that you're
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serving they see some parts of a trope that they can apply to me and assume that i must be optimizing
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for the entire trope instead of just focusing on a higher goal which is you know obviously the
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advancement of human society and and raising kids who can contribute to that and expand my genetic line
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but she is reframing as unmasculine having and caring for babies and and it is true within andrew
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tate world baby care is deeply unmasculine right but it's what the genetically successful people end
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up doing i can actually see andrew and tristan really getting stoked to play with toddlers though
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like yeah i can see them secretly being pretty sweet and wrestling yeah i think i could see them as
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being really sweet dads but like they would never let anyone know well that's that's part of the point
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right like they don't want to and then skipping a bit here the majority of people have always been
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lowly and evil and so marriage has always had this humiliating ludicrous quality for them but the
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masses are excluded from good history and so when we learn of the greeks and the romans and the
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rig vicks and even the israelites we learn of marriages of a different quality when we read about these
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ancient people we see marriages which did not inhibit the men who entered from into them but inspired them to
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great deeds specifically the mahabharata demonstrates the way in which wives were won through contest
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the samarva and in the rahayama rama competes a tour of duty slaying the forest dwellers before he marries
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in the odyssey the attempts to court the wife of odysseus all involve contestants and competitors
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and odysseus reclaims his throne by slaying all the suitors the aristocratic form he didn't have to
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i mean i mean they thought he was dead that was being kind of screwy on their part but it works
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okay that's morality of the time period somebody's hitting on your wife you got to handle it right
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i mean yeah let off some steam too why not the aristocratic form of marriage involves contests
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there can be no marriage without it the traditionalist concept of quote-unquote marriage
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at 18 preceding any great deed or life risking is a utilitarian pragmatic and mediocre inversion of
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form in the so i find that very interesting that he's like well we don't fight for marriage enough
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anymore which i don't disagree i disagree with pretty strongly i think finding a wife today is
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much harder than it was to find a wife in ancient greece i think that or or ancient israel or pretty
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much any other time in human history yeah because also in the past as people in our comments have
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pointed out like the average number of even potential partners you know people of the opposite
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sex that were around your age maybe there were four and and you typically married someone who
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like lived within four miles of you and these weren't dense populations these weren't large i mean
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finding a wife in today's world is difficult like like it's it's today it's a needle in a hate
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situation it's a mess yeah you're not you're not going out and fighting a war you're having to go out
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and date some of the most depraved humans that have ever existed on earth yeah one person when
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we talked about the rise of marriage pointed out that maybe maybe what's going on is people found
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out the dating culture today has become so aversive now marriage just seems so much better yeah make
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dating so bad marriages is better anyway yeah so in the aristocratic form of marriage the woman is
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judge of the contest alternatively she is a victim of kidnapping which itself is a ritualized
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context in which the noble man steals her away in his chariot which is then chased by the police
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and if he escapes the woman is rightfully his this is called the raka savanya sacred among the
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rigvidic people but later demonized by the dravidian priests even if we see elements of contest in modern
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society what follows is a deviation the ancient marriage of arjun and odyssey demonstrate a disregard
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of any norm of cohabitation the idea that a husband and wife should share a bedroom is absent the idea
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that they should share a house or even a country is neglected the purpose of a wife is to be impregnated
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and to raise children which i agree you you can do this today you know we don't share a room or a bed
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her job is having kids she has a kid a year like she's doing it okay like these women exist you're just
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not finding or making them right and that's the point you made at the very beginning you know
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they're not going to find the types of women they actually want yes the the way that they have
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constructed themselves would be repellent to a woman like you um you know if a steven crowder like
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approached you on a dating app or something would you date him like would you even
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no and i i dated people who talked about being felons very openly what would be that what would
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be the red flag that you'd be like no i'm not gonna date this traditionalist conservative like what
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a lack of demonstration of intellectual engagement that comes from a place of not respecting me
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intellectually plus anyone who were were to berate me or belittle me but he he goes out to public
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campuses and debates people like clearly he's an intellectual yeah i don't know i mean we've met
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many people who for whatever reason and this includes some of the smartest people in the world
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who i don't know what it is they can even have female co-workers that they
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you know respect intellectually and work with actively um but then as soon as they are
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romantically involved with someone or they classify them as like this woman i'm dating
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suddenly they become this completely different class of person who's only good for you know having
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kids and and being like oh yes it really messes up the person who we're thinking of their life is
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completely effed up because of this yeah because they they seem to be unable to genuinely respect
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somebody who they are having sex with yeah like as soon as it's it's you know like the heart emojis
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there the facebook official like whatever it is like it just i don't know and and so i i think you
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know yes i agree that that crowder is capable of intellectually engaging with people i'm sure of
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all backgrounds and sexes and genders but i i think there are just some men who think i just don't
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think that framing works like i do not think that that quality and i don't even think it's bad right
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i mean like we know what what historically has happened in most arrangements that are marriage
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adjacent which is you have people forming long-term logistical and economic family bonds
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to survive because it it increases their odds of making it to old age and having lots of kids
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and being safe and not dying or starving right but the the point here i'm making is i think the thing
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that turns off women like you and i think many people in the red pill need to be like diaspora need
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to be aware of this is is people may look at me and they like you look soy or something like that
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and what they they often mean is i'm not buying into this over trad framing of myself and i think
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that what the trad man wants unfortunately they also filter themselves out of because the type of
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woman that wants to like intellectually support and and help you rather than be this kept trad dove
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here's how i would put it instead they are marketing as though they're selling to grinder when they need
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to be selling to bumble they are they they think that they need to aesthetically for if we're talking
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about the aesthetic angle of it right now they are doing a better job of appealing to gay men
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per this like red pill masculine aesthetic than they are at appealing to women look at this guy this gay
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guy right here who's like i love this aesthetic yeah i mean because it's it's a great gay aesthetic and i
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mean it's it's i i can appreciate it from a technical execution standpoint but i appreciate the same way
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that i appreciate excellent drag queen execution if that makes sense like i don't want to bang it
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and when you look at fan fiction and what tons of women online obsess over it's
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typically not the same body type that you see selling really well to gay men does that make
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sense true well and so to to keep going here the closest approximation to this idea today would be
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for a noble man to impregnate a woman leave her and pay child support for 18 years with occasional
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visitations this is the most aristocratic form of child rearing not the domesticity imagined by the
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there is nothing noble about changing diapers no amount of shaming or hysterics or threats of
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hellfire will change this and and that's that's within his framing of of nobility like within his
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framing of masculinity his framing of trashy nobility men weren't seen as respectable when they had
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bastard children who they were paying for right but what he's saying is you used to just like have
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kids and then like you'd have staff to raise the kids or something like that i know i didn't want to
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go too far into this oh okay so he was implying there was marriage involved there something like
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i don't know you know not that part no i mean look look he's basically saying you cannot fit this image
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of masculinity i have while you are married and raising children in a healthy relationship and i
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think that he's saying it's so clear cut here that you can maybe be shaken up enough to see what he
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he means by this if you are one of these people who bought into this and you're like oh here somebody's
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just coming out and saying it if we want to be masculine in this tradest way that we're being
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masculine the the the real maxing of that comes from not marrying at all and then just being gay
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yeah it sounds like per this formula if we're going to optimize donate a ton of sperm which you
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basically have to lie to do and never marry women yeah having thoroughly attacked the tradest vision
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of matrimony i would like to be good to also discuss the problems of modern gay and contrasted
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with the ancient greeks modern gays are weak skinny fat obese materialistic fashionable acne ridden and
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diseased skinny though i'm sorry have you not all not all not all but most has he been to
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province town recently or where is he looking he goes i went to a gay pride event in san francisco
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and all the men were fat weak disgusting and old there were no handsome tweak bodybuilders there
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was nothing erotic at all it was like walking into the ymca locker room was a bunch of naked hairy
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boomers that's because no one goes to the pride event anymore before his body degenerates into that
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state now note here he's arguing here that he's a closeted gay man he's not an openly gay man but
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the point here being is simone i think you're remembering gay culture from when we were
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younger i actually think it has deteriorated significantly especially in the core centers
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of the urban monoculture because you could already see stuff like this i disagree our gay friends who
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follow on instagram look but they're conservative gays are they i'm pretty sure they are maybe traditional
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catholics oh i'm actually referring to other gay friends oh yeah and they're all all of them are
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are hot and fit so i don't know what to say i think a lot of what we call normal gays are hot and fit
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well then to skip a bit more here most tradism and modern gay are forms of slavery in the first case
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tradism enslave society to the role of the mediocre so that the median rules over the excellent
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adventurers are put to halt and domesticity rules overall in some cases it is possible to have some
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degree of tradism so long as exceptions are made spain during the period of the conquistadors had
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somewhat normative tradism among the lower caste but also dedicated billions of dollars to the
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adventures of single men modern gay is a more severe form of slavery since there is no escape from
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the buddhage one cannot flee across the ocean and lay waste to foreign shores buddhage will come to
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you bearing human rights and no he had a screed here about how buddhage's marriage was too wholesome
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because he's gay married and has kids how dare he doesn't like this he sees this as unmasculine
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so any any form of of marriage and having kids any form of biological success is
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yeah well and this is why i i bring this up for our audience is to try to shake them out of this if
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they have bought into this version of tradism so that they don't get trapped in one of these
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marriages where their partner doesn't respect them and instead is just trying to be the most
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housewifey of housewife or the most husbandy of husband rather than work with them towards a common
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goal and then finally here he says dot dot dot because i took out a section here this is still
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difficult since the mig tau and the red pillar is alive and it is easiest to get married between 23 and
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26 not at 33 this is very true this is because most women prefer a partner within two years of
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their age and by the age of 33 the dating market shrinks considerably to single mothers harpies
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antisocial hags and women who are forever who for whatever reason failed to attract and hold a mate
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during their prime years 23 to 26 to date a younger woman this requires overcoming certain hurdles
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the kind of women who date older men are distinct from other women whether this is good or bad i will
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not say here but young women so i actually agree a lot with this advice you need to marry young young
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young young young i know it's difficult but the the choice pieces of women get taken off the market
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early i mean we started dating how old it was on the older end for me i was 24 and you were 25 so we
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were you know he said you need to get married between 23 and 26 we were right there at that the the age
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range that he's talking about right like this is when you have to lock it down and if you look at
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my brother was when he was a freshman in college right like in fact i think about everyone in my
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family who's married almost all of them started dating their partner before the end of college
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it is very very very difficult to find somebody after that as a man right like i understand the market
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dynamics tilt in your favor and you can get more random sex if you're a 33 year old that's fine yes you
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can get more random sex but it is not with women you want to settle down with and people just well
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and you don't want a child i think that's people seem to miss that if you're a woman and you want
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kids you're gonna try to find a guy who will give you those kids like as soon as you you get on the
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market right because they're dealing with a higher ticking clock and everything like that like if you're
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open to this sort of agreement the types of things that you need to agree to to get married as a
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woman some guy will have asked hey are you okay with these concessions if you marry me before you're
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like 25 that's what i wonder about with crowder though like in terms of going back to the beginning
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and how his relationship fell apart i feel like this is mostly downstream of them have having very
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different expectations about what marriage was going to be like and they just didn't i think
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they were both like yeah we're trad conservatives we know how to do marriage right divorce under no
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circumstances we're going to have a big family and then because they didn't hammer out their terms
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they didn't have a marriage contract they didn't have agreements here she is heavily pregnant with
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twins and believes that someone else should be you know feeding and walking the dogs and that she
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should just be feet up in bed relaxing and he believes that she should be feeding and walking
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the dogs and cooking dinner and neither of those expectations and isolation is a bad thing i mean
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they're valid expectations the problem is they didn't discuss them ahead of time and then they just got
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mad at each other for not reading each other's mind and knowing that that's you know how they came in
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so i mean and then he responds to her miss expectations with yelling and yeah like that's
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going to break down the communication because now you're communicating with emotion rather than logic
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and i think a lot of this comes down to yeah not having a marriage contract you know the
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pregnancy guide for relationships read it it's one of our first books you can buy for like a dollar
00:42:52.120
the ebook version it's not expensive so check it out also got audiobooks for that but
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to finalize here here he's giving young women advice but for young women i will advise this
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do not seek older men consider mark zuckerberg's wife she's nothing special if she had waited very
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long she would not have had the opportunity to marry a billionaire she was too much she became a
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doctor and she went to harvard nothing special but she recognized his greatness when they were both young
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and she used her abilities to ensnare him and now they are secure buy your bananas while they're green
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not when they are right i have seen this was too many women as well right like i i we have our younger
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female audience members marry young as well you guys need to marry younger and this is the advice
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i'll be giving our kids and i think all of us who are watching this and have kids the advice and
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expectation should be you should probably know who you're going to marry by 23 like that's that's the
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window of when you need to start panicking if you if you hit 23 and you don't know who you're going
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to marry you have seriously effed something up and a lot of our fans can be like well i'm older what
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what advice do you have for me and i'm like well this isn't for you a lot of our audience is like
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married and have to try still try try yeah obviously try all you can do is try but i mean i see if you're
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like well i'm a you know 25 year old guy and i don't need to i can wait until no oh yeah no that's
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that's nonsense yeah so because though we hear we hear some of our you know if you if you plan
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to be married it's okay to not be married and not have kids like that's fine right maybe you're just
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not meant to be part of the human race going forwards right like that's that's a choice that
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we all get to make i'm not saying you have to do this but i'm saying don't say i'm going to do this
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while taking actions that are out of line with what somebody would be doing if they were actually going
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to do this yeah that's fair and i i have to say i like in part i read what he's saying here and i'm
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like you have been so incepted by this that you have defined a good life not as raising the next
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generation but as filling a iteration of masculinity but you're not wrong to do it that way within the
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culture of the male internet right now like i can see how you came to these cultural norms and thought
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that they were good he's reaching a logical conclusion it's just very myopic yeah and his
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advice is also not bad for people who aren't him he's almost like i missed the window here right so this
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is my advice for people who miss the window but if you didn't miss the window here's my advice for you
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marry young and be very disciplined in how you choose your partner
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um marriage advice i'd give here by the way for for choosing someone uh you can know who you're
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going to like if some you should you date the purpose of dating is vetting whether or not you
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want to be married to the individual right have kids with them spend your life with them
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that doesn't take five years to do that takes a few months to six months to do if someone's been
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dating you for like more than i'd say a year and they're unwilling to commit to an engagement i
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would say that they're not serious about it and there's a lot of reasons why somebody might be
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yeah i feel like six months if you're looking to get married and you're with someone at the six
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month mark if you are not either okay i'm going to break up with you now or we're getting engaged
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something is is deeply wrong deeply wrong the only caveat i would make on this is if you are very
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young yeah if you're like maybe 17 so my brother and his wife he met her first day freshman year of
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college and they didn't propose until i want to say sophomore or junior year no no no it was it was
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their senior year i think because their parents were in town for graduation oh was it senior year
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so four years yeah but that's okay if you've been i feel like that's the that i would be proud if our
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kids did that in the college way of like we're not you know we're gonna wait until graduation i'm okay
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with that because people do grow a lot in college there is however a benefit to having kids while still
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at uni so either way you know but i don't think you know they they still were committed to each
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other so early they were seen as so precocious compared to other kids and people who did get
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married younger than when they got married people we know have told us just how socially difficult it
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was for them it was basically social suicide people acted like they were crazy people stopped talking
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with them i think an underrated thing that we don't really talk about is okay we we can recommend
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this until the cows come home but what these people are facing is still a huge amount of social prejudice
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when they do the right thing so here's this guy saying oh get married young and you know all these
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people and we are saying this that it's a really good thing to do this doesn't change the fact that if
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someone does that today they are going to be socially punished i think that's changing
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we'll see trads coming back but real trad not this like you know signally sort of trad but wholesome
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trad i guess i call it instead of grizzly trad grizzly trad performative anger and masculinity trad
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performative masculinity trad versus you know dad maxing
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okay i could see that yeah there there's a yeah i guess just a return to functional marriage you could
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say i wouldn't even call it trad i just would call it a return to functional marriage because that's what
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it is it is people marrying the way that people have traditionally married but i feel like the word
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traditional or trad has just become so corrupted by aesthetics and performative gestures that aren't even
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traditional that we can't use it anymore yeah well i have enjoyed talking to you what's for we're
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going to reheat the rendang tonight yes but i'm not going to put garlic on it tonight because we have
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meetings tomorrow so instead i put so much garlic on my food the other day and i was like i had my
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thoughts well at least i'm not going to be seeing anyone anytime soon because i can't be not all right
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well i'm going to do some rendang with i guess the the bread stuff that you made yesterday
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and that should be it yeah and i can toast it i'll just toast it with butter and some like kosher salt
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for texture sound good sure or just plain do you want it just plain plain rendang is a very flavorful
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dish and you don't really need to put flavor on something if it's being used as a an absorbent
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sponge of rendangness right then we're on i love you so much malcolm and i'm i'm really grateful to you
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for i don't know that comes downstream of not understanding normative male behavior like
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at any moment where he yelled at somebody he should have felt humiliated at himself for ever doing that
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like if i lost my temper in that way i would punish myself severely and i don't think that he was
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taught to do that well it also as someone who listens to this podcast it pointed out before and
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i think it's just so well put when a man gets to a point where he is yelling or otherwise pulling rank
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by like maintaining frame and exerting that dominance he's already lost like dominance is
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is exerted through being the person that people respect and turn to for leadership and direction
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and if people aren't doing that like if you have to yell at people to get them to do that it's because
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you're not dominant yeah because like this this just speaks to this immense amount of insecurity
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and that is the biggest issue with performative masculinity is that it belies this intense
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insecurity when that masculinity is expressed through anything but security confidence strong
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leadership and foresight plus immense amounts of emotional control which is why i really do love
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that stoic philosophy is pervasive in the manosphere that people really admire figures like marcus
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aurelius who was all about emotional control who was all about perspective i mean that is natural
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dominance it's odd to me that this performative masculinity and deep insecurity is caught on as
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much as it has because i feel like people can kind of smell that like i'm sure you had teachers when
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you were in school who would lose their minds you know they'd lose their composure and they'd start
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yelling at the class and berating them and nagging them and you didn't respect those teachers and then
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there were the teachers who like with a quiet sentence got everyone to snap into place yeah
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this is no different so yeah it's this is just so strange to me but yeah i i love that you're
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pointing this out and i i just also find it so interesting that
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like the most supposedly masculine people are like you're saying just getting cocked never having
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kids and ultimately removing themselves from the gene pool it's it's so it's so bizarre it's so but that
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irony is fun and delicious so thank you for sharing this with me thank you so much by the way we should
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leave earlier than three hours and 30 minutes something could go wrong on our journey okay i
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mean it takes three hours and 30 minutes on a regular drive over i would add at least an extra hour in
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there okay and i don't know we just like get lunch or something if we get there early yeah if something
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goes wrong we just get lunch or something either like if we get there early it's everything goes right
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but i have a feeling that you know you you want a much safer window okay no this is an episode we
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recorded a while ago because my wife just gave birth yesterday so obviously we're not recording episodes
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right now uh but back when we recorded this we couldn't tell you guys but now we can is what we're
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talking about here is a talk that we did at the white house on fertility rates and we will you'll get
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the slide deck done tonight yep after i finish the kids dinner when i have them playing downstairs i'll
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just bring down my laptop and we'll do some printouts tomorrow we're gonna i thought we were gonna just
00:53:40.540
email them the pdfs well i mean we're gonna need something i guess you can do it from your phone that
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we can practice copying from in the car till we memorize the speech yeah yes that's that's the plan and
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the one thing that i am adding to the deck at the end is just a slightly more structured overview of
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our general recommendations because all you really put in there was like propaganda when actually we
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had like a lot more in terms of our policy suggestions i mean you put in propaganda and
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work from home and that was pretty much it whereas i feel like that should be a little more fleshed out
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so that's the only thing i'm adding just a heads up on that and then i'm i'm presumably going to
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deliver more of that because it's well make sure that what you add does not contradict what we wrote
00:54:25.280
in the speech because we say things like you know cash handouts and stuff like that don't work
00:54:29.120
none of our executive orders had to do with that okay yeah don't worry all right love you i love you
00:54:37.860
too you're pretty yeah it's just sitting back on his bed like this chilling and i was like hey you
00:54:47.720
want to go to the station to johnson's very adamant no no i want to stay here so i got him some milk
00:54:52.280
and he is he is having a chill day because he was terrified about having his blood drawn
00:54:57.200
well saying when he was getting his blood drawn he was he was at first he was screaming like i'm
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scared i don't want you to do that please don't do that and he's like and then when he was actually
00:55:09.160
getting a job he screamed please somebody help me because you know dad's there holding him in place
00:55:13.800
you know god of course i'm traumatizing him the doctors but here's what we need to tell him okay
00:55:20.380
because that's what i've been telling him when you tell him it's because he's too small he's not
00:55:23.960
eating enough which is true that is why he got the blood drawn that is exactly him into not finishing
00:55:29.020
his dinner you know well you're gonna have a good get your blood drawn again if you don't eat your
00:55:33.080
dinner okay good we can use this fear this this trauma that he went through today this traumatic
00:55:41.400
experience we will use to get him to eat amazing you're such desperately okay parents that's what
00:55:51.020
he needs he needs to eat food that yeah that plus 10 hours a week of aba therapy that seems entirely
00:56:00.180
oriented around him eating we also need to work on some basic safety stuff like hey maybe don't try
00:56:07.560
to dismantle the toilet in the middle of the night please screaming i'm scared oh god yeah buddy you
00:56:19.400
should be scared you should why did you how did he even get it get the top of the toilet refill thing
00:56:28.340
off it's heavy yeah that's what made him scared because it's also chained in place and he can't take
00:56:33.900
it all the way off he was certainly would have broke it if it wasn't chained in place so kids are
00:56:40.200
so easy having little raccoons in your house every day simone was saying uh when we were walking
00:56:49.120
through like their room at night it feels like they intentionally mess it up every night like yeah
00:56:54.680
because when we come down like all the couch cushions have been thrown off the couch the the ladders to
00:57:00.760
their bunk beds on the floor it's like they get up in the morning they're like oh gosh i have so much
00:57:04.720
to do i have to throw everything on the ground i have to you know take every book off the bookshelf
00:57:11.340
and fling it across the room and and like i've watched them do it this isn't like kids who are
00:57:17.680
having a tantrum or something yeah they're just like in a very busy productive seeming way you know
00:57:23.640
like hi ho hi ho like little yeah little dwarfs just going to the mines the bookshelf to get new
0.96
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new things to throw around the room yeah you gotta march back to the thing and you know whatever
00:57:37.480
bucket or bookshelf is present and you have to take the thing and then you have to take it as far away
00:57:42.700
from that proper storage place as possible what is wrong with them and then of course if they find
00:57:52.020
anything that they can break or disassemble they will also do that like that antique doorbell
00:57:56.000
that you want to keep for whatever reason torson was my favorite is when one of them comes to me
00:58:01.740
like torson is the one who does this most frequently and he'll like walk to me from another room with a
00:58:07.180
handful of screws and he'll be like look at these you know he'll call them golden screws if they're like
00:58:12.540
the golden screws from that yeah that one place he's like i'm like where did you get these from and
00:58:18.980
he's like they were in the chair but i'm like the what that was hard to build they were in the table
00:58:24.800
you know they will fall the table the table is going to fall apart if it doesn't have the screws
00:58:32.980
in it and he's like well why did they make the screws golden is it that's like you know why was
00:58:39.580
she wearing a mini skirt and walking down a dark alleyway huh exactly that okay okay you're a funny one
00:58:47.640
i like being married to you a bit is our funny one a little toaster strudel our brave little toaster
00:58:52.820
you're gonna show him that video that's a horrifying movie i can't handle that if you want to watch
00:58:59.100
that with them yeah i guess right there were at least in what was what were some other ones of
00:59:03.780
our childhood um amazing adventure or something where like animals like cat goes down a waterfall
00:59:08.620
um there's another one where things like a uh button bunny dies like water ship down i think
00:59:15.020
it's called or something no no water ship down is a fun book i don't know if i've seen the movie
00:59:19.060
there's a lot of like you know like really screwed up move bambi what what was that yeah
00:59:26.120
hello this is oh are we on the right side oh thank you for catching that all right all right here we go
00:59:38.640
okay so you see simone has been cooking up all these cookies so that people don't mess up her c-section
00:59:48.740
so they know that she's a nice person or believe that she is right simone so you're trying to trick
00:59:55.740
them all right and the other kids we got our one little watermelon here right you're like a
01:00:02.820
watermelon are you an actual watermelon or like a fake one what about you octavian have you eaten your
01:00:09.400
food tonight we were talking with telemundo today which is a mbc subsidiary they told me there were
01:00:21.220
no genetic differences between human groups and this is a scientific fact oh a book do you like