How the World Turned Against Gays (Only 60% of Dems Pro Trans Now)
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In this episode, we discuss the decline in corporate support for gay and lesbian pride parades across the United States, as well as some recent statistics that show a rapid decline in support of gay marriage across the U.S.
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hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about
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how corporations have stopped supporting sort of the wider gay and lgbt agenda
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to the extent that npr npr of all places wrote an article titled and i just have to show you
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the cover image on this article it's okay pride celebrations as corporate sponsorships dry up
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oh and this coming at pride month when like yeah because it's exactly who you expect
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just like the image the people in the image is like oh my god i want to hate oh hold on i'm
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looking oh boy no if that's what pride is now let's just let it go sorry though we love the
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glasses we love the glasses but we this is hold on it's not just that this is the only other
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picture in the article too that old women is is what i guess pride is now no no no no i will never
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the first time i ever came across across a pride parade i was in cape cod i think it's province
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town or princeton province town but yeah in cape cod and i didn't we didn't know that there was a
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pride parade we were camping there i was camping there with a friend and her dad and then just on
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the main street of Provincetown just was this really cool parade and the most beautiful women
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I had ever seen and I was stunned and amazed and I didn't know why all these beauty queens were
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suddenly marching along this picturesque New England street and it turns out they were just
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all drag queens and that was it I loved I loved it I loved it all I thought it was the best thing
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in the world and what has it become now I mean like in the past 10 years it's been like the
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bank of america float and then a bunch of like ugly people on it like that what is that who made
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pride ugly like no pride was always hot pride was always fun pride meant like a cool fun entertaining
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sometimes salacious stuff but often like more wholesome than anything else i'm kind of glad
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that whatever pride become is dying and i think that's kind of how everyone feels which is why
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it's plummeting in popularity so we're going to be talking about this and the other thing we're
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going to be talking about is some recent statistics that came out that show a rapid reduction in the
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support of things like gay marriage across the united states a rapid reduction in i mean we're
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not even you know talking about like broader trans stuff here just like support for gay rights more
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generally in the united states this is something that i personally find you know it's interesting
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for me to come to because historically i've always been pretty pro maintaining gay rights even just
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as like a well most republicans are for gay rights these days and with the majority of republicans
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being pro-gay rights it doesn't make sense to even like bring up a question of like should that be
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something that we're against gay marriage for example now we're at a stage where it's more
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reasonable to table the question and so that's the other thing that we'll be doing in this
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is tabling whether this should be like a a voter issue for us or something that is worth pursuing
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right so we'll get into that but i'm going to start with the npr article because i thought
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this would be pretty fun for people pittsburgh pa pride celebrations across the country continue to
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lose out on large sponsorships as corporations a case worth of funding shrink their affiliation
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with diversity causes and lgbtq plus events corporate sponsorships and celebrations in
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several cities, including New York City, Salt Lake City, Louisville, St. Louis, Orlando, and
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Pittsburgh are down from previous years, organizers said. Jordan Baxton, co-president of the United
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States Association of Pride, which supports pride celebrations nationwide, said that while some
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smaller prides have seen growth in sponsorship, a majority have seen a reduction. She said that
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the Trump administration dismantling of the diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives
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has scared corporations away from sponsoring pride celebrations i think that's why some of
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the corporations have pulled back because they don't want that government scrutiny i don't think
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that that's it i just think it's a wider cultural thing it doesn't get you the same brownie points
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it used to get you and now it can cost you and i do feel like trump's second term gave people
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who were uncomfortable with it but doing it because they felt they had to fit in a license
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to express themselves more freely there was an impact yeah yeah no i mean it was like the wind
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really changed the culture really changed i mean it's not just about gay gay pride or whatever or
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just pride in general it's also people suddenly started using the word retarded like things just
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changed in many ways yeah there was actually a piece on us recently that was like well when we
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go to their older podcast you know they'll be like well the red pill makes some points here and the
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people against the red pill make some points here and it was like and that was generally the way
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that we talked about things historically they didn't like that because they're like well they're
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airing the bad side and not explicitly saying that it's bad and dangerous ideas when the the
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truth is is what i always felt is the red pill is absolutely right and putting forth valid
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complaints right like they may be wrong here here and here and how they're going about it but their
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complaints are overall valid and there was like a moment and i i think it sort of came for us
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not when trump won the election but when trump really started campaigning and like this this
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latest election started when i was just like no i'm just gonna say this stuff going forwards like
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why why am i so i think it was more that when we started singing it what we realized is the stuff
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that got us canceled was never actually breaking the rules around the stuff we were saying it was
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like ancillary stuff that had nothing to do with anything yeah like the child slap incident is how
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we got canceled right like which anyone who spent time around us knows like we're very physical with
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our kids we play fight all the time so what's the first thing that happens if i like come into the
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room and octavian's there he immediately attacks you yeah yeah like the way we interact with him
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is very rough and tumble yeah and by attacks i mean like a huge smile on his face laughing and
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giggling it's violence is our love language yeah i had to explain that to him i'm like well you
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know most people don't love fighting but our people we're known for loving fighting
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speak of the devil dude this one i got this one where did you get an egg the chicken coop where
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do you think he got an egg he went to take care of the chicken break them octavian why are you
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getting eggs go go put them in the by the way if they're queen then that means they're real yeah
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because we have fake eggs the ones that are really dirty are not real yeah i mean i think
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that what i sort of and then the other times we go viral like it's it was never actually for
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breaking one of the quote-unquote like progressive rules around what we're allowed to say and what
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we're not allowed to say and that sort of surprised me and then i was just like wait so
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i can just say what i think is true and there isn't any ramification to that anymore and and
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it's it's it's also true when you see articles about us the reason why we're considered toxic
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like in in the public eye isn't because of anything we've said about say trans people
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it's because we said people should be having children like literally that's it right like
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that that is why we are unhirable by people because we supported a party that over 50 percent
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of americans support and we think that people should have more kids and i think that that's
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sort of what people realized when people started trying to attack them is it's like oh it's not
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worth it right and another thing that pushed a lot of people over because leaflet talks about
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this and this was sort of a major point is when people were attacked for doing something that
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they thought was trivial and for the vtuber community as leaflet documents in the conversations
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we've had with her this was largely around playing the jk rowling game the harry potter game and a
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bunch of people tried to cancel people over this and the sort of the core takeaway was well if i'm
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gonna get canceled over something that's stupid you know i might as well say all this other stuff
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i've been holding back for x many years at this point anyway and then i think we just built a
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community where everyone was just saying what they wanted to say at this point and the conversation
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began to shift to continue in the first days in office of 2025 trump issued presidential actions
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targeting DEI within the federal government and encouraging the private sector to end what the
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administration considers illegal DEI discrimination and preferences, which is what it is. It is
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illegal, right? And in Pittsburgh Pride, the organizers are trying to make up for lost
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sponsorships. In time for the festival and the parade in June, they say, quote, it takes a lot
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of money to do this, end quote. Oh, yeah, especially when you're paying a bunch of fat
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dumb bodies to manage everything. But here they're like permitting costs, security costs,
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headliner costs, staging costs, crew cleaning costs, insurance costs are all very expensive.
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The Pittsburgh private organizers think it will secure 30 to 40% of the sponsorship dollars
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they thought they were going to be able to get when compared with a few years ago.
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To narrow the gap, the group said they received a state grant solicit. What?
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So they're still taking government money, but they're taking it from the state. It's still-
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enough government money malcolm not enough by the way that's our taxpayer dollars eight percent of
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our income just pittsburgh oh yeah because they're in pennsylvania people in pennsylvania stop voting
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blue no matter who i don't care unless it's fetterman i'm okay with fetterman so like
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literally for you know every you know a hundred dollars that we earn eight dollars is going toward
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pennsylvania and it's gay pride parades so yeah yeah a lot of good stuff too though i love this
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state but okay so instead of reading more of this you get the idea now i want to go over into the
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actual statistical changes because these have been absolutely fascinating and i think retable
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some conversations that you and i can have in this very podcast so this is from an article in
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the advocate again i'm trying to go to pro lgbtq plus organizations so no one can be like oh this
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as a conservative in whatever or something like that. A Gallup poll showed that only 5% of
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Republicans say that gender transition is morally acceptable. That is wild at this point. That's
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what the headline is. So to skip in a bit here, after a steady increase over decades from 27%
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1996 to 71% in 2022, the percentage of Americans who support same-sex marriage has continued its
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downward turn. It now stands at 65% after showing a marginal decline every year since 2022.
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That's a long time to have consistent marginal declines. It indicates that those declines will
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continue to go down in the future. We've pointed out that this is sort of inevitable just due to
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birth rates. We tried to explain to progressives when we first started doing our efficacy around
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birth rates that how you vote is highly heredible. There have been lots of studies on this. It's
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about 40 percent heritable given that progressives aren't having kids the converse the population
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will naturally shift more conservative and very quickly and we even like showed them the math
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on this and it's hitting our predictions exactly that and the urban monoculture genuinely lost its
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crap like people are because like look at us in the past one we were democrats and then after we
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moved republican we were still originally like pro-trans and up until now i i think that we're
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still appropriate. We'll talk about that. Okay. So to continue here, notably the decline in
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acceptance of the same marriage coincides with the 2022 explosion of the slur groomer to refer
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to LGBTQ plus people as the passage of Florida's don't stay gay law and the proliferation of
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copycat legislation. So this is absolutely hilarious, by the way, that it turns out the
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groomer psyop actually worked people calling them groomers actually worked because we we don't use
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that particular word i love to call it a slur it's not a slur if somebody is functionally grooming
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people like if you and you know we keep getting leaked video from school there was a tape recently
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where a teacher is sending a girl to the principal because she doesn't want to go along with calling
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people by whatever the teacher says the preferred gender is how dare you you just really upset
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someone saying things like should be in an asylum i didn't say that if they want to identify as a
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cat or something then they're like genuinely on that then they've gone yeah they're crazy
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you were questioning their identity i wasn't a question i was just saying about the gender
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i didn't say anything about them but where did you get this idea from there's only two genders
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If I respect their opinion, can't they respect my opinion?
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Gender is not linked to the parts that you were born with.
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Which is what I said right from the very beginning.
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those are people agree with that there's only a small majority of people who actually think
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that and why do you think we have so many problems in the world with homophobia
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lesbians and gay people i've got nothing against them that's the same but gender is
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there is a link between it and you're saying that people can't exchange who they want to be
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they can't unless you get a penis attached no i'm not you're confusing sex and no i'm not though
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because if you have a vagina you're a girl if you have a penis you can't be you can't have a vagina
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you need to go to a different school so i'm reporting you to miss willis you need to have
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a proper educational conversation about edu about equality diversity and inclusion
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because i'm not having that expressed in my lesson when i'm teaching you about you can be who you
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want to be how you identify is up to you they just don't say it because then yeah maybe because
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they're polite and maybe they're sensitive i've never i haven't said anything in all of the
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lessons i've been in it's just because they turn around and start saying something so i said how
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can you identify as a path when you're a girl well they're now writing a statement i would imagine
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that you'll be asked to write a statement as well another one that went viral recently was
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was really interesting is it was a white gay teacher and a class full of black kids and they're
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like do i have to do this even at home because i'm pretty sure i'll get my butt whooped and the
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teacher's like yes you have to do it even at home or you're not protecting people right and i won't
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feel safe but like that's grooming right like that's trying to indoctr kids into your ideology
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if you sent your kids to one of my schools and you saw us preaching techno puritanism or
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techno puritan ideology to children yeah it's what i believe is true about the world but i
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understand it's not what most people think is true about the world i and and keep in mind you can be
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like oh well that's like deeper theology malcolm that's not like light stuff that like on an
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individual level would come up in a normal class i mean in a normal philosophy class we got an email
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recently from a fan and they're like well i want to know what you think about identity malcolm
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because obviously we're not our body and obviously we're not our mind and i was like what the what
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do you mean obviously we're not our mind the i mean if by mind you mean like the thinking thing
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that's literally and definitionally the only thing i have conscious access to if there is a part of me
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that is meaningful and is separate from my mind i do not have awareness or conscious access to
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anything that that thing is feeling or thinking or anything like that because it is definitionally
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not my mind now that is not something that i understand a lot of people believe a lot of
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christians believe oh there is actually this separate soul thing and our version of christianity
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doesn't right and so i would know not to tell that to some other person's kid i don't even
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really drop these ideas when i'm in environments that aren't explicitly our stream like if you
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watch our leaflet streams i do not bring up or at least not without heavy caveats where our ideology
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contrasts with traditional Christian ideology. Right. And, and like that, they can't sit down
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for a second and see that one of the things that, that I always got me is the way that they want to
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normalize dressing around kids in these outfits that are like very clearly sexualized at like
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the trans story hours and stuff like that. And I've always just thought it, it seems so
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pointlessly transgressive like suppose i was going to an island was like a bunch of people
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in the middle of nowhere right and that island had a strong prohibitions against women showing
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their ankles right and my wife was like well in my culture i show my ankles right and i would tell
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her yeah i know in our culture we show our ankles but like you've got like we should be respectful
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of the culture we're entering right because this is a majority culture here right there
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we might as well be flashing them by showing you their ankles. In truth, you know, when somebody's
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wearing lingerie, they're as covered up as they are when they're in a swimsuit, okay? Yet we see
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that culturally as the equivalent of being naked in our society. The way that people keep dressing
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at these events is culturally, even by mainstream society, sexualized. It is BDSM gear. It is what
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we consider to in some ways be even more sexualized than traditional just sexuality right
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so i've always found it to be like just really inexcusable what they attempt to normalize and
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and really in the realm of true groomer dom even though we along with leaflet support grooming your
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wife and your husband right you got to groom yourself into being a better person that confused
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a lot of christians when they watched that but anyway continue here similarly the percentage
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of Americans who believe same-sex relationships are quote-unquote moral has gone up since Gallup
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first started asking the poll in 2001, but then tapered off after peaking in 2022, also with 71%.
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That number now stands at 64%. So these are pretty big tanks, especially when it can consistently
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be happening every year. Gallup first asked Americans about the morality of gender transition
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in 2021 when it found 46% found it acceptable, while 51% found it to be immoral. Those numbers
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have dipped as well, with only 38% finding it acceptable and 57% opposed. Now, I want to make
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this clear to people who want to support gender transition or want to teach it in schools. You
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are in the extreme minority at this point. 38% of Americans think this is acceptable. So when you
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attempt to normalize it in the school system or in the legal system, you're attempting to normalize
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something that the vast majority of Americans aren't okay with. It also reminded me of a
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reporter that we were talking to, right? And this was around gender transition stuff. And she asked
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me, she goes, Malcolm, why do you care about the rights of religious people more than the rights
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of transgender people, right? And I was like, but I absolutely do not. What I care about is the
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rights of a religious person to say no to a transgender person in the same way that i would
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fight for a religious person's right to say no to making a birthday cake for a gay wedding or
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support a gay person's right to not go to church every week right like that's what the the the and
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simone and i talked about this and this is really when our views at least on transgenderism started
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to flip is it became a a issue of with gay marriage and the right to get married it was a right that
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they were fighting for was in their own private lives but then it became about enforcing your
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behavior on other people like oh you have to call me by x name or something like that which is now
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removing rights from other people it is not giving you rights i have no problem with a person going
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around with their personal friend group calling themselves another gender like whatever but when
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you can get somebody fired for misgendering you you clearly have the cultural power like they
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tried to get me to say oh these people don't have the cultural power these people are billing
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bullied and i'm like no clearly they're in a position of cultural power if despite being the
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minority they're able to get people fired like this in terms of what people find acceptable
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now to continue here notably only five percent of republicans say that gender transition is
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morally acceptable compared to 60 of democrats when gallup first whoa only 60 of democrats now
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think that gender transition is acceptable consider how bad that is no like into which
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all the support has dropped shocked me that this was only a very small subset of people beginning
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to question this. And instead, a lot of people have just had it. And you can also see the graph
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over time of drops in support across the board. I think the timing is also very interesting.
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It peaked around 2021, and then especially Republican support started to drop between
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2021 and 2024. This was between, this was, it was Biden's administration. This isn't Trump
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reigning over the United States and making everyone feel like they have license to be
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negative on gay marriage. This is a very pro pride, pro urban monoculture administration.
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And this is when people just lost faith. I think that's an important element of this.
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well and and yeah that's the thing is i think the the way that republicans really ended up
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fighting this is they stopped fighting it with hatred and were just like come on man very biden
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like right like they're just like we all see this looks ridiculous at this point right but the 60
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percent of democrats support this that i think that's something i'm going to be citing on them
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more that only 60 of american democrats support gender transition when people are like oh this
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is normal not a left first right thing whatever i'm gonna be like no it's not normal almost half
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of democrats don't support this right like this is not normal you haven't won this cultural victory
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and it is receding every year and it's hurting other groups like the gay group which we're
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going to get to in a second the downturn in acceptance among go peers was the rise of trans
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kids becoming a target in both right-wing political circles and media in recent years
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the media narratives around trans people have also included the false assertion that there
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is a correlation between mass shootings and trans identity note this is just demonstrably true you
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can see our video on this in fact i decided to look since we did our last video on trans mass
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shootings there have been three trans mass shootings and that was like six months ago or
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something like it's if it was a anomaly it shouldn't be predictive of a future mass shootings
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when we point this out and yes it just keeps happening again and again and again but do you
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want to go over the the new trans mass shootings we have here yeah who i'm not aware of these but
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i guess that's oh you're not aware of the kid who shot both of his parents for misgendering him
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no what i didn't think he went to shoot yeah more people yeah simply for misgendering him
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and he thought he was 100 correct in this he's just like i had to do it i don't regret it i hate
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them. She said she didn't think it would hit her brother, but if I did, then well, so what?
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Bailey then laughs about running from police, going through yards and hiding from helicopters
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in South St. George while planning on taking her own life. I was actually kind of planning on
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standing over the cliff. I spoke with body language expert Scott Rouse, who has worked
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on hundreds of high-profile cases. He says there were no signs of grief or sadness. Instead,
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comfort from laughter and smiling i didn't have a choice it's the same as murder misgendering
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someone because it is in their communities and i think mainstream democrats are beginning to see
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like oh these people are actually crazy when they say that misgendering someone is the same as
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murdering them they mean it like that's how they justify fighting for this so we have here august
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2025 minneapolis robin westerman opened fire at announcement catholic church killing two children
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injuring others february 2026 tumblr ridge canada jesse van rooster a male to female identified
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killed family members then carried out a school shooting killing students and a teacher and then
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february 2026 rhode island robert drogan roberta esposota trans woman shot an ice rink
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killing two ex-wife and child before unaliving oh that's the the hockey the hockey shooter right
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yeah okay and i only knew about the third one yeah well i mean it is interesting that they're so
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that they're so convinced of this and i also point out was the don't say gay bill
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when the bill was going through do you remember how disney like freaked out and they're like
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people are going to be fired for being a teacher because i had forgotten all that yeah yeah so so
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disney went all big on this anti don't say gay bill stuff now we actually know the politician
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who wrote the don't say gay bill because we go to events with political people and stuff like this
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and so the state senator or congressman or whatever who wrote it we're we we're friends with we know
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right we don't stay up with them because i consider those sorts of positions quite boring but it was
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interesting to get an insight into the construction of the bill and a lot of people in affiliation
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when when they were attacking the bill they said that this bill will be used to fire gay teachers
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if they talk about their home life, right?
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actually, in the first round of drafting of the bill,
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we realized, we, the Republican state senators,
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And so we rewrote it in a way that prevented it
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one case of somebody being unjustly prosecuted for it it would go viral on the internet if it
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happened has it happened yeah one time in fact someone i want you to grok and find out what the
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worst examples are of anyone actually being punished for the don't say gay bill or if it
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just has never really been implemented in negative ways so to copycat the bill in terms of fighting
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grooming makes enormous sense but anyway here i just don't understand i don't understand how you
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can say that trans people aren't overrepresented in mass shootings you really have to make the
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white men make up the most mass shooters which is just yeah but white men are also the most
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common demographic but if you account for demographics trans people are enormously
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overrepresented like it's not even there's literally no way to massage the data to make
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them not and then they're like oh well it is that and also the white male one white males are only
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represented among mass shooters because if a mass shooting is tied to gang violence or a crime it's
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not considered a mass shooting which is where all of the hispanic and black mass shootings are and
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so when you actually correct for that you don't see an increase in white male mass shootings
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huh but anyway i i think it's important to call this stuff out like as it comes and you can even
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just do this yourself make a list of trans mass shooters in the past year you can use ai to easily
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do this you can calculate the numbers yourself on that list like if you're in ai and you're here
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saying but i have read that it's not true literally before you just go with what i have read just make
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a list calculate it based on demographic against the rest of the population that's all i'm asking
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you to do if you can make that list and show that oh i'm wrong okay but like we've only had one
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murder cult in the past few years that I'm aware of. And they were virtually all trans. This is
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as well, when we're talking about crazy stuff that's happened recently. Note here, this isn't
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to say that trans people are like evil or something like that, but there's clearly some
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sort of correlation and negative behavioral patterns that needs to be addressed within
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the community likely, right? Like I would be worried about this. Also big new study that's
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worth citing is it's called, I made myself memorize the name of this one because I know I'll be
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citing it so much. Trans homicides in Britain, 2020 to 2024. It came out in 2025, late 2025,
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and it showed that trans people were more likely to commit a homicide than to be a victim of a
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homicide. So wowsers? Not really a victim group anymore. But to continue, political affiliation
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plays a role in acceptance. Per Gallup, while numbers have overall gone down, the polling
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organization pointed out the general dips are due to step declines among self-identified
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republicans which double digit drops there so the results it has dropped to only 37 percent of
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republicans supporting gay marriage yeah okay so wow the fox news covering this goes over more
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yeah moral acceptance of gay and lesbian relationships has dropped to only 62 percent
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in the united states now transition is only at 38 percent among gender general americans now only
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38 percent of general americans approve of genders transition that's rough digits where it used to
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be 57%. No, 57% view it as morally wrong. Okay. Among Republicans, 35% believe in same-sex
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relationships now, where it used to be the majority of Republicans. Independence had an
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eight-point decline, dropping to 64%. Well, it dims it still 81%. That is, only 42% of
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independents think gender transition is acceptable. So now, what I used to say historically is it's
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not really worth us tabling the issue of gay marriage which is what i want to talk about now
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because you wouldn't even win a republican primary if that was your issue right you know so i was like
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now that is not the case anymore and it reminds me of a video that asmogle did where they had put
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like a gay fetish art in magic the gathering card and he said because he thought it was fake
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and it was about like bears or something it was a comedy card actual again what these people want
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to do is that they want to replace and destroy all forms and representation of heteronormative
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sexuality and replace it with fetishes uh lgbt and other forms of non-heteronormative sexuality
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i don't think it's that big a deal but he's like man if you guys print this we might have to get
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rid of gay marriage and then he read the next post and realized the card was actually printed
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four years ago which is interesting because that card being printed that made as in the gold have
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that reaction was printed the same year that these numbers started declining yeah because i think a
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lot of americans ended up feeling that way yeah the the sort of progress pride movement jumped the
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shark in 2021 yeah so how do i feel about all of this by the way do you have thoughts before i go
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further simone go on ahead all right my general thoughts go like this even if i'm just taking my
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like purely utilitarian version of like what sin is choosing because you are same-sex attracted
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to pursue a same-sex relationship and marriage is a much harder way to have kids and contribute
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to civilization nor is it genuinely the only option for same-sex attracted people lots of
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same-sex attracted people choose other paths in life and it is up to them to make these decisions
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like i'm totally for and i really hate that the current gay movement is fighting this right like
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i have things that arouse me that i don't center my life around right like most people do and i
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think that that's the thing where a lot of people have gotten and they're like well you know i like
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some weird stuff and i don't make it literally the core of every relationship i have right like
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in fact we were even talking recently about how like sex in marriage really isn't that big a part
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of marriage if you have a ton of kids and the reason being it's because it's just hard if you're
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constantly having i think it depends i mean like we we have friends who have four or more kids who
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have sex almost every single day yeah we have friends who don't like it really depends on what
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you value or care about it also depends on your religion and your religious tradition yeah yeah
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yeah well yeah and how weird you think it is to have sex in front of a baby right like for me
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i would i would not feel comfortable having sex turn off yeah that's having sex in front of a dog
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yeah I couldn't I couldn't oh and then you know I guess you could put the baby in another room
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but that seems very dangerous or you hope the baby's asleep for long enough you wait until
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the baby falls asleep and then you know they're in another room presumably and you you make it
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work look people make it work it's just it's you know some people we were joking that babysitters
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are just prostitutes with extra steps at this point but the point I'm making here is I also
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think the the callousness towards incels turned a lot of people off from the gay agenda right
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but by this what i mean is in the 90s when people were like can you believe that there are these men
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who like can't even be in relationships and have sex was like who turns them on like what a tragedy
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it would be if they didn't find a partner right i heard that and my thoughts on that were yeah that
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does sound like a tragedy right like it's sad that they can't you know find or have a relationship
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with the type of partner that they find most attractive and everything like that and i have
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to find this and actually something that was trending on x this morning was people observing
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from ayla's big kink survey that the proportion of men i think who were like five foot or under
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that were gay was incredibly high and the general conclusion that people had reached was basically
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if you can't get sex from a woman even if you're not gay you're gonna be gay because it's where
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you can get it i'll try to find that and send it to you it was i don't know what to make of it yet
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but that just came to mind i might have to do the same hormones that judge growth could be
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could affect yeah absolutely yeah but then we saw in society women and democrats the same people who
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had convinced us of a wouldn't it be terrifying if this gay man just had to live their entire
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life without having sex with what they want to have sex with. Sorry, Malcolm, correction. So
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actually what it was, was the founder of Keeper. Jake Kozlowski shared a chart from over 30,000 men
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on Keeper, which is an AI matchmaking app that showed this really sharp drop at 5'11", and then
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a huge jump at six feet, which he calls clear evidence of rounding up. And then he also shared
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a second chart from Nora based on the big kink survey responses that plots gay cisgender males
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by height and nearly 50% at five feet dropped to single digits by 610. That is to say 50% of men
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are gay at five feet. Wait, 50% of men under... Yeah, let me send this to you. Yeah, this is
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really insane. Yeah, here's Nora's post showing the big kink chart. I mean, it checks out was
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my like anecdotal experience but so from ayla's big kink survey it shows sexual orientation
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plotted against height in inches and when you're at 60 inches 49 61 inches 48 62 inches drops to
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39 i know i know and then once you get someone who is 78 inches like quite tall at the very end
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of the spectrum it's only five percent and it's just this really clean slope downward basically
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like the taller you are the less well it also goes in the opposite direction tall women are
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very likely to be lesbians what is it 77 height and inches 45 percent of women are lesbians which
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would help to explain remember when i was doing that like are lesbians like fake are they not
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real i did point to something that confused me which is like that the sheer number of lesbians
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on on professional basketball teams but maybe it has to do with like higher levels of testosterone
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which are also related with i believe higher stature taller stature so interesting stuff
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there just throwing that out there that is fascinating right i know weird stuff huh
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no but what i what i mean the point i keep about to get to is we saw the same group who had
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convinced us oh my god it would be mortifying if somebody couldn't sleep with whoever they wanted
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to in their life like the the their preference right like imagine going through your entire life
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never being able to sleep with a tape of people who you find arousing and attractive and i was
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like oh this matters and then the same people who were making that argument when the incel movement
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happened and stuff like that right they were like laughing at these incels like ha ha ha
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look at these men who can't get anyone when it is literally them who are gating them off from sex
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from these men and i was like oh you don't really care about men not being able to sleep with people
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what you care about is hot men not being able to sleep with people that's what you mean by this
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you men who you consider human right like that's who this fight was over and then i was like
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okay like i'm i'm significantly less sympathetic to the argument at that point but i also think
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the argument on the conservative side is pretty stupid on this so like just outright banning gay
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marriage seems really stupid to me i'll explain why okay it's a sin okay gay being gay living a
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gay lifestyle not being saying that's attracted that's obviously not a sin but choosing to marry
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someone of the same gender is a sin choosing to have sex with them is a sin choosing to have a
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family is a sin how are the heck are you helping them by banning them from getting married like
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and just to sorry to put things in perspective like we would argue non-procreative sex is is a
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sin so i mean well yeah romans anything you don't do for god is a sin yeah so i'm just one i want
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to put that yeah we're not like we're not uniquely hating on gays here we're kind of hating on anyone
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who's like oh this thing feels good i'm going to do it purely for fun and just ignore all the
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evolutionary reasoning behind why it feels good yeah but back to gays sorry go on the the banning
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them from getting married does not nudge them towards moral action like is it a higher level
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of morality to be a gay guy in a monogamous stable relationship than it is to be a gay guy
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going to orgies every week or something i will present to you the counter argument that has
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been given to me that i think is somewhat compelling that once gay marriage was legalized
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the non-profits that fought for gay marriage were like well i'm not gonna like quit you know i want
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to keep getting paid so and i want to keep raising money so that i keep getting paid therefore i guess
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we're gonna have to start fighting for trans rights and we're gonna have to start fighting
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for all this other stuff and it they just had to keep moving the overton window to more extreme
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stuff so the general reasoning is no let them let them have to keep fight over like this is their
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sisyphusian hill and we're just going to keep it there to keep the overton window going from
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something to something even worse yeah i understand the the like using this as a sisyphusian hill or
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or whatever i just am i using the right thing wait who is it who do i mean the core one of
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the core role of older on the hill if i'm going to be totally transparent right like above all else
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is because there are a lot of gay Republicans who are very, very important to the Republican
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cause. A lot of gay people are just disproportionately good at the creative arts.
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And when you kick gay people out of a movement, you end up suffering where you need human
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creativity. I don't know why this is the case. It just seems to disproportionately be the case
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is that gays are good at a certain type of labor. And in the last election,
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Scott Pressler was pretty much uncontestably the number one conservative like get out to vote
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person gay right you know and he converted because to republicanism after the the the gay
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shoot up of a of a nightclub by a muslim right and he was like bro like anti-muslim and I'm like
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more comfortable siding with normal gays because I think you know when we bring like islamism into
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our countries and stuff like this and we are like look they're of a totally different culture than
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us one of the things that makes their culture entirely different and antithetical to ours
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is their hatred for different forms of sexual expression right and i am okay like my brand of
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conservatism is okay harnessing sexiness anime girls whatever as a weapon for our side right
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and i think as part of being like i'm okay with the ways that you guys are culturally different
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are the ways that you guys are practicing christianity different from i am i think that
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like that umbrella from utility perspective it is useful to spread to gay people we just i do
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understand that the sisyphusian hill thing i just think we lose too many useful potential allies
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if and and keep in mind what you could be like what are you talking about here the new york times
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did an article on trump's big gay white house like the guy who like started at least the political
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fear the new right rolling was Peter Thiel in terms of funding and stuff like that a gay guy
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right this was the guy who brought down Gawker right and if you look at the big gay White House
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they talked about how there were conservative women in Washington who are really excited about
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Trump's White House coming in and this is conservative women saying this because they
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thought that they were going to have a bunch of new guys that they could date and then they
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realized that all the conservative staffers in the Trump administration were gay or disproportionately
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gay and yeah i here's my take on this though like if if i just were put in charge for a little bit
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you know mods were asleep and i could be just making a bunch of laws really really quickly
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i would probably end governmental control or like naming over marriage like no longer are you
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married per the government you are married by your church i don't care what that means and then there
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are separate legal state and federal recognized forms of financial and power of attorney entanglement
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like if you want to name someone as someone who can go to the hospital and show up for you and be
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your power of attorney and accept things in your will then here's the form to fill out i don't care
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what you are it's so stupid like yeah because okay you're married per the catholic church you're
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married per the the gay space communists i don't care but it's that that is a religious thing and
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then separately there are a series of legal agreements that you have and already there's
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like common law marriage like i know we're like just stop using the m-word let's just separate
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it out because this is stupid we don't have to have this argument at all ever if a conservative
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came out there pushing this i think it'd be a popular position i don't know i don't know i
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i feel like there's something in place that i don't i haven't looked into it i don't really
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care that much because this is not the hill that we're going to die on but i feel like there must
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be something that's stopping us just from being like you know maybe some demonious old-fashioned
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gay marriage was like an existential thing and now i'm really sold yeah like that it's weird
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yeah now when i think back on it i'm like wait what why is it the biggest deal ever like yeah
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it's just so stupid because and the argument that i grew up with of like well oh you know
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we're functionally, you know, we're a couple, we're married, but if, if she goes to the hospital,
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I can't go and help her because I'm not her legal partner. And I'm like, yeah, that is,
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that's really stupid. You know, like you get angry about it because it's stupid. Like if two people
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have agreed to be there for each other. And again, it really doesn't, I don't care if they're, if
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they're like doing sexual things together or not, like you should be able to be that for your best
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friend. You should be able to be that for a neighbor who really needs you. Right. Like what,
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what ended up happening when you when you asked an ai about has anyone actually i couldn't because
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my hands like my other hand is and i can't type with just one hand i'm holding oh well you should
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have said that then i would have done i didn't want to interrupt you because people get mad at
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me when i interrupt you okay this is this is interesting okay so no there are no widespread
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unjust firings solely for mentioning homosexuality or saying gay the law primarily restricted
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classroom instruction on sexual and gender identity in kindergarten through the third
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grade later expanded, not casual references. A 2024 settlement clarified that teachers and
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students can discuss these topics outside of formal instruction. Media advocacy groups noticed
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a quote-unquote chilling effect, but that's it. The only notable exceptions was a non-binary
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teacher forcing everyone to call them mix. A physics teacher at a Florida virtual school was
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fired for using the gender-neutral title mix instead of matching the one assigned at their
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birth system from the 2023 expansions h1 sorry hb 1069 prohibiting titles and pronouns not so
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they explicitly banned these titles which i think is a good thing you shouldn't be pushing this on
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kids then you had melissa calhoun 2024 to 2025 a veteran english teacher had her contract not
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renewed after using a student's preferred name without documented parental consent this is not
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a firing this is not an indication of the law being taken into effect teachers discussing a
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person's sexuality a middle school art teacher was reportedly fired after students asked her
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about her pansexuality during an open discussion leading to student artwork on related themes
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administrators intervened and she was terminated oh so students were drawing people in yeah that
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makes sense that's not a casual mention so wow it's it's never been abused the way that they
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said it was going to be. Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. But yeah, I guess where I come down
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on this is it's just not an issue. I'm that fiery or passionate about one way or the other. Now that
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I'm a parent and I think about all this in the civilizational context, I would like my default
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push is still, it's worth keeping gays in the wider Republican Alliance. There's been some
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polls that should like 40% of them vote Republican, like male gays we increasingly get as the left
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abandons them and male gaze were always the competent ones the reason all their orgs are
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failing now is because they're run by these well you know the type the type who i pictured at the
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beginning of this right when they began to turn on the male gaze who again like the reason i support
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male gaze is because they appear to be represented in effective groups disproportionately and you're
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randomly shooting yourself and if you get if you push them out of your movement or you make them
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feel uncomfortable in your movement and also you make it just harder to capture other people
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because it just makes the progressives more comically bad when you're only arguing for
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things that like everyone can agree on and i guess my broader moral position is never attempt to
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enforce my morality on an outsider like the reason i fight against the trans stuff is because they're
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trying to force their morality on other people and so i'm just being hypocritical if i then come out
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and say oh and you can't be gay married if that's what you want to be which yeah i see is like
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i i don't know like the the again but i've even seen like asmogold was against he had a video
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where he was against because of the viral case of the gay couple who had a a child through another
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couple who acted as their surrogate and the little baby said mama or something and like they looked
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at this like this is horrible and it's like the baby doesn't know like what what are you what are
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you talking about yeah like this is the sign that a baby knows deep down that his mother isn't
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present like no the baby probably just randomly got gassy yeah it's not that it's not bad to grow
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up without a mother but it is worse to not grow up at all and well and when you actually look at
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longitudinal research around children of specifically gay men their outcomes are better
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on average and that's probably because the only gay men who are able to make it to having a kid
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have a lot of money and work really hard and you know are showing showing signs of being quite
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conscientious hard-working people were likely to set their kids up to succeed yeah and i mean
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again like obviously our religious take on this it ends up influencing us because from our position
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functionally you're aborting a kid if you prevent them from having it like if they wanted to have
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that kid and you prevented them from having and raising that kid who would have grown up in
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presumably even odds are even though gays assault their kids at higher rates than other people
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it's still the vast majority of kids in gay families are not assaulted and would prefer
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that life to non-existence right where that's the alternative it's not one of these guys ended up
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marrying that surrogate and then they raise the family in like a heterosexual relationship
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it's that kid didn't end up existing that's the alternative that people are fighting for and i
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think that's that to me just seems like obviously the the less moral position but i can understand
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how like if you're just looking at like feelings and heartstrings and everything like that and i
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think the way that we change this is uh simply by having more like based gay men who are fighting
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against the urban monoculture and against the grooming of kids and stuff like that sort of in
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positions of visibility right like i i think it's sort of on them because i i can't make
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them popular and the only way that conservatives are going to be like oh they're not that bad
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is if they're listening to them regularly if they have insight into their life right
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and yet we just don't have that many gay conservative influencers out there i mean
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we got scott presley and we've got a few on youtube that i've seen but like the one space
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that they don't seem they seem to love working in like the the orgs and the fundraising and the
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you know getting bills passed but they don't do a lot of i guess who do we know tracy woodgrain
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is probably the most famous that we know but yeah i love you i love you too oh we have some really
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cool base camp listeners who are gay who we know we consider friends but we wouldn't name them
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we you know who you are we wouldn't name them yeah and that's that's also why i'm like
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i just don't see it as being it's people are like oh that's how they got their hooks in that's how
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they started winning the culture war and it's like i don't think so i actually think if you pull the
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gay issue from them you make it easier for us to win the culture war but whatever the case may be
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clearly support for gay rights is going to go down over time and it's going to continue to go down
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over time and i i do expect them to lose a hard one rights a lot in the near future and i really
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think their only hope of maintaining them is by moving to become a more and more republican faction
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because like that would do to separate it out like no we're not fighting over gay marriage
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we're fighting over all the other things we're not with them i think that's the key distinction
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that needs to be made we're not with those guys yeah all right well i love you very much
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bye i'm so entertained by everything you're telling me about bricks and many fakes so
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the leaked police tapes the lying about everything oh my god the brits and minifigs situation is
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everything it is the juiciest drama i can't stop learning about it we got more information i was
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explaining to simone that i and no one else seems to understand that the biggest illegal thing that
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was done was the confiscation of the store and its inventory and sort of everything else is
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downstream of that and i was trying to understand what really happened there and in the guys because
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he we now have the leaked audio of what he said to police about what happened we can basically
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piece together what really happened so the head ceo of brooks and many things the the the guy who
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ended up taking over the location we found out that he's really close buddies was the ceo and
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worked in in in corporate so likely in the same ward as the ceo same mormon groups everything like
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that. And the person who ran the store sent an email to the CEO saying, I'm moving to Scotland
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and I'm looking for the process to sell my franchise. And he basically, what we're learning
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is sort of the way he relates to the law. He's like, well, they were behind on their payments
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in the past because we messed up setting up their banking information. And yes, they worked that out,
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but are they really going to do anything if she's moving to Scotland or she's just going to want to
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wipe her hands of this? Let me just send a guy to the store to bully her and basically confiscate
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everything there and i'm gonna give it all everything that i'm able to confiscate from this
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woman to my guy and whatever he makes in terms of selling that stuff he's gonna give me that money
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and that'll be the payment for the franchise oh so that's why they were so keen on all of these
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profits it was seller financing except the seller financing was stolen goods yes that the ceo helped
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him steal yeah this is gonna be so bad like it's it's obviously just continuing to spiral at this
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point and the more people learn about it the more engaging the story gets you know you can't put it
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down because it's got such a clear good guy and bad guy and there's even like some mormons in it
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who are being good guys like the the kid from the guy's temple because he swore to god that he would
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give the stuff back if they apologized to him and they did tried to talk with him about it and he
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calls the police on the the mormon kid as well which is another part of the problem is is it's
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really who should be targeted in all of this is the local bishop and that's like if i was a mormon
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that's who i would be panickedly emailing as the local bishop and be like you you guys need to do
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something because these people will immediately fold if the local bishop reaches out to them and
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it's like you are clearly in the wrong and need to stop yeah you're out of line this needs to
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stop right away you're hurting the entire community maybe something will happen i don't
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know maybe some well i mean if they will watch your video and they didn't deal with the people
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who beat a bunch of children to death this is during the meadows massacre oh i try to make
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sure the baby chicks have food and water yeah you can finish i get all and more relics if there are
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yes you can finish filling up the outside hanging food container with the big chicken food okay
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um okay thank you and then you can go inside and watch videos about gyroscopes okay
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yeah yeah all right uh i turned it off so i'm sorry that's okay you can turn it back on
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love you buddy all right let's go but yeah that that that situation is getting crazy
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crazy especially given the pr term mormonism has had like nick shirley for example
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i know they've had so many good hits you've got ballerina farm nick shirley well ballerina farm
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is mixed i guess mostly good though on the conservative side it's mostly positive yeah
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and then just to shove the foot in their face so hard and they keep making the mistake of we can't
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do anything about this it's just a random bad actor it's like i'm sorry you shouldn't organize
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your religion in a way that explicitly allows you to do something about it if you want to make that
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excuse right which is that's the thing that perplexes me like i guess they don't yeah like
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you can you can be a young woman who's engaged to marry your future husband and go to I guess
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your bishop or like some leader in your church and you have to confess like oh well you know we
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kind of had sex before marriage and then they're like well okay you can't have a temple marriage
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now you're like I'm taking away all these things and like so all these people are being severely
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punished or this guy swore to god and then lied and it's provable yeah like in terms of just
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where i the punishments are being applied they're being applied in totally the wrong place
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so we've got techno puritanism and if you're a mormon and you're just disappointed in the way
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your church is handling things our religion is there for you no scandals yet no yes no bad
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give it time don't worry you can sign up to become the first scandal we need one scandals wanted
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anyway the first major scandal all right gotta showcase my wife's wonderful
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slow cooked pork and bok chow what are you guys doing
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what you eating do you like it did you get the taco for that yourself
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Do you want to watch My Hero Academia with me, the show we were watching yesterday?